Draft picks from Day One, Two and Three
Round 1 – Laremy Tunsil T
Round 2 – Xavian Howard CB
Round 3 – Kenyan Drake RB
Round 3 – Leonte Carroo WR
Round 6 – Tiny Jakeem Grant WR
Round 6 – Jordan Lucas S
Round 7 – Brandon Doughty QB
Round 7 – Thomas Duarte TE
Finsmob Unleashed 
Darion Griswold to colts
After he gets back from wally world
This is pretty cool!
Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP 46m46 minutes ago
#Dolphins QB Brandon Doughty is very stoked. Davie native, huge Dolphins fan. His brother was wearing a Dolphins shirt when he was drafted
Lucas Aulbach
@LucasAulbachCJ
@AbramsonPBP Covered him at WKU for a year, used to see him on campus all the time decked out in Fins gear. Huge fan is an understatement.
NICE. good story. certainly better than the German ‘boner’ story over and over again.
Germans can’t have boners too
He slings it and throws TD’ s maybe he can get Tannehill to be a bigger playmaker.
And I don’t mean that to start shit I mean it in they’ll be working together way
Quote from espn:
“Miami has three players remaining from its 2013 class on the active roster: guard Dallas Thomas, linebacker Jelani Jenkins and tight end Dion Sims.”
And when training camp concludes there will be 2. Who cares, we have talent on the team, and it also means we won’t have a bunch of FAs looking for that huge contract.
I understand. Just sayin’. I don’t mind new regime picking their guys… I am just ‘desperate’ for one of these regimes to finally become THE regime. 🙂 and 😦
Plus Dion Jordan
Yes, but he isn’t on the active roster.
IMO you don’t get a guy who is a threat to you QB you really aren’t doing anything good signing them. He needs to be pushed some and we need a guy who also improved our backup situation.
Doughty isn’t a threat but he is a contrasting style. Tannehill is a machine while Doughty looks to be a little bit looser he may be able to encourage Ryan to make some more ballsy/gutsy throws, throws that could end up being game changers.
Another thundering herd signs elsewhere, Kieth Baxter to the vikes
That’s too bad, he’s from somewhere in South Florida. But I’m happy for all these guys getting their chance wherever it is.
Tyriq McCord, the U, to Pittsburgh
Ryan di salvo, long snapper, baler to us
Are we perhaps going to witness the end of an institution?
Rashsd Scott WR the U and Gabe Hughes TE Florida tech to us
Curtt maggitt to colts
Derunya Wilson to pats.
Joe gore to redskins
Dominick Jackson OT Alabama to the redskins
They doing a retraction of Wilson to pats, not official
Lots of good ones falling now.
Brian boddy-calhoun to jags.
Dominique Alexander to the browns.
Beniquez brown to the packers
Aj hendry to us
Tyler marz to Titans
Wilson to pats official now
I don’t think we should draft a CB with the first name Jamar ever again. Seriously!
JUST GOT BACK from major convention in Chicago. Weather in the 40’s all 3 days. Boy I’d sure like to live there. – – – NOT!!!!!!!!
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SO, Mike E & Son-of-a SON: Did we clinch a spot in the Super Bowl with this draft?
OD — you should have gone to the draft. You were there anyhow.
Several FSU players just signed. Reggie Northrup redskins, lemarcus Brutus Titans, javien Elliot Steelers, Terrence Smith chiefs
To us
Farrington Huguenin UK DE
Mike, cash signed with Carolina
So I am sitting at the airport bar and keep going…..oh the Phins gotta pick at this spot…..then all of a sudden they ain’t there. Then other times they ain’t supposed to be there for a while and just pop up. Other times and extra one just slides in there, like in the sixth.
What a hard draft to watch from the tracker, especially today.
Xavien Howard better be the real deal though. Next year he matters more than the gas mask master.
Not really, if the OL is as good as they should be we’ll be very good. The D wasnt bad just couldn’t keep getting 3 and outs, with the O doing nothing.
You still need two corners. Well three actually unless you have a safety who can play nickle.
Also found out about Kirkland. He signed with Oakland.
Well I just surfaced and saw my man go the freakin Vikes and we take a damn midget instead. SMH. I need my cuppa now.
My son went to Bokamper’s in Plantation he said a lot of people were unhappy with the draft and he even heard someone say Taum is a plant for the JETS.
This is our in between tackles RB after unsuccessful tries to land A.Morris,CJ Anderson and Chris Johnson. In addition,
Dolphins second-year RB Jay Ajayi wants to drop 8-12 pounds and be “shiftier” this season.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/player/splits/2015/1825212/jay-ajayi
I wonder if he can withstand the pounding between the tackles.He doesn’t have a big sample to be judgmental but the fins after all tried to replace L.Miller all off-season.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-ajayi-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-ajayi-1/gamelog/2014/ again take away long runs and he averaged less than 3.2 yards a carry but wait the competition was superior—NOT… His limited pro career shows he averaged 3.8 yards a carry. Well if you take away his long run during each of his 9 pro games then that average drops to 2.25 yards per carry.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-ajayi-1/gamelog/2013/ same as above the guy can have a decent run to bring up his average but truth is when you take out his biggest run each game he is below average.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/college/mountain-west/boise-state-university/bronco-beat-blog/article40749141.html
He is not high character person is it any wonder the fins desperately tried to find replacement for Lamar Miller.Maybe we replaced L.Miller with 3rd rounder RB from Alabama.Sorry the guy’s stats are small for 4 yr career plus he was injury prone.Let’s look at his college stats
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/07/alabama_running_back_kenyan_dr.html
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=217576
This guy can’t run between the tackles without getting injured. Jay Ajayi can’t run between tackles either. Maybe Thomas can after the 4th team he who thinks he can. kick off returns for K.Drake is 26 plus yards but if you take away the one kickoff for TD then his average drops to UNDER22yrds per kick off return . Take away his top rushing gain during any game and his average amounts to almost 2.4 yards per carry.THAT’S UNDER 3 yards per carry which is very weak in NFL.
Jakeem Grant he considers himself 5-foot-8 because that’s how tall he is while wearing shoes and he never plays football without his shoes.
LMAO!
Jakeem Grant
Taking long runs out of the average is silly. It’s not an average when you do that
exactly. if you do that for everyone their average goes down. plus, the long run potential is always there so that’s why you don’t take it away. if he can return a kick for a td for us then that’s a plus. there were games I watched Elliot do nothing in the first half where his average was less than 4 yds a carry and then exploded for a long run in the 2nd half that took his avg way up. Do you think NFL people do that?
Drake has playmaking ability. Grant has playmaking ability. They fit the offense and what the coaching staff wants to do on offense perfectly. That’s why they are with Miami. Drake isn’t going to be a workhorse rb for the team but he may be an integral part of the design of the offense. Same goes with Grant. Specific plays designed for his skill set. We’ve got players right now who should help us keep moving the ball and not have 6 three and out’s like we did in the 2nd half of the Jags game that we lost by 3 pts. There was at least 3 games we lost last season because we couldn’t move the ball on offense.
fair enough. Then his average is 3.8 which is below the NFL average for RB’s that had over 50 carries but Ajaki didn’t have 50 carries but lets assume he did. He ranks in the bottom quarter of all NFL backs or 35th lowest of bottom 50 with lowest per carry average. Maybe this is why the fins spent the off-season chasing a RB.
This was a crazy draft. 6 trades in 7 rounds. It was like some of those mocks people were posting on here. Tannenbum can’t help himself. A lot of the moving around was totally unnecessary. Xavien would still have been there when we picked. A 4th to move 4 spots? Trading Taylor to move up IN THE SEVENTH? Tiffany player is in the seventh round he is not worth moving up for!
The value or the Taylor ttrade can’t even be easily calculated because the picks aren’t even on the chart but it is under 2 points!
I’d consider the Taylor trade a get something for him before cutting him and getting nothing. It showed the knew he was dead weight, despite any claims of confidence in him. I would have traded him to them in exchange for a guy who had disappointed them like Mingo
Theoretically that trade enabled us to get two players we liked instead of just taking whatever was leftovers.
I believe the players they drafted were players they targeted in every single case.
I think this is the best draft we have had since Ross took over.
Taylor was discarded like an old pair of socks.
and that’s about what we got for him
LOL
Rock…morning, apparently we were going to cut Taylor anyway.
Yeah, see my reply pretty much what I would assume as well.
When we all thought Taylor sucked…Tannenbaum showed us he thought Taylor sucked even more. What a wasted pick but glad he is getting a chance somewhere.
Rock,
Yeah, Tannenbaum isn’t that good at the draft and neither is his boy Grier. At least we got good talent but whew, he’s bad.
I can’t imagine anyone here coming close to thinking this is how the draft would turn out. I’m still surprised. Not disappointed, just surprised. Secretly (not really secretly), I;m really glad we got a top notch OL, likely the best in the draft. Knew we had to get a CB, but I expected to double down. The WR I didn’t see coming, but it’s one of my favorite picks in the draft. I love our WR corps. I think we’re good at RB, but I’m a little concerned about durability with Drake, and longevity with Ajayi. Not a real issue at the moment, we can get a RB any year. Really shocked at at how little the FO thought of Taylor. That’s one thing we totally agreed on. lol
Anyone here think Grier is any more than a puppet? I know I don’t
Those trades seem done in haste, I would expect Grier as a first timer to make trades like that, that 2nd round trade seemed like a poppin his cherry trade lol it made 0 sense.
If Tannebaum was running that draft it does smell of him forcing activity, and in most cases those trades were unnecessary to get the people they got with them.
Draft was a head scratcher for sure. We got some good picks but it was just wierd
I thought this was a great draft overall. 3 starters for dropping 5 spots in the first. High CB in the 2nd, good RB for our scheme in the 3rd, Tough slot WR who is slippery another Wr, midget to return kicks followed by a S and then a QB to develop and a TE to finish. What holes? We just covered them all.
If you factor in Maxwell and Alonso, it surely helps the overall picture. Take away those 2 guys, and the draft was just weird, not bad like D said, but it was weird.
We replaced Rishard with an even tougher SOB than Rishard. Caroo will be a 4th WR that CBs hate to see step on the field. He AVERAGED 10 TDs a year in the Big 10 for 3 straight yrs. This is no Marist type pick or even a Middle Tennessee guy. This guy torched Mich State even though they knew he was coming. The Ohio State coach said they had to dbl team him in their game.
3rd WR. Stills is a puss, and has no hands.
Carroo makes deep catches with guys hanging all over him, Stills drops them when he’s open. Slide on down Stills, there’s a tough hombre coming to take your job!
I agree. Stills would have been gone this year if it wasn’t for his contract.
Mike…why would we take out Maxwell and Alonso that was a draft trade, they count.
Well, they were part of a trade that happened before the draft, that’s why. Just because it involved moving down 5 spots in the draft, it’s not really part of the draft. It’s semantics. If it makes you happy to include them in the draft, do it. In the end, they’re all part of the team, that’s all that matters.
There was not a stinker in the whole draft haul that we selected. This was a great draft. The little guy is like Darren Sproles with much better straight line speed. He can catch the ball and ran back 4 KOs for TDs. Neither Landry nor Damien are fast enough to score on a KO. Grant is short, not weak. He benched 15 reps of 225 and only weighs 165. Can most WRs bench a third again what they weigh? He caught 90 balls. He is not a gadget guy only nor is he delicate. I think he has never been hurt. He will add excitement and save Landry from wear and tear. Again he played at Texas Tech which is in a Power 5 conference. Did not a smallish LB named ummm right on my tongue tip uhh played for us with Taylor uhhh didn’t he come from there?
I just hope our coaches know how to use the talent of the players in this draft the right way. I had no confidence philbin and his crew knew how to do that. Lets hope Gaze is different.
OK, we’ll call him Mighty Mouse.
I agree on the stinkerless draft. Instead of drafting late (6th and 7th) for guys to start some day, we drafted for package guys/specialists, with maybe the exception of Lucas, but even he’ll most likely be a dime package type guy.
Grier is no puppet. He has paid his dues.
He has worked long and hard to get where he is. He was not hand-picked by Tannenbaum. He has been with Miami for years, working his way up and learning how to find guys who will succeed in the NFL and fit the HC’s scheme or plan.
I would like to see him in a press conference not run by Mike Tannenbaum. That bothers me. Grier is the GM, let him run the presser. He doesn’t with Mr. T there. I don’t doubt he’s very qualified to do it all himself, including scouting and dissemination of scouting info, I just don’t think he’s being given the chance with Mr. T at the reins. That’s my honest opinion.
You’re definition of a puppet is wrong. He’s a puppet in that he doesn’t have the final say, does what Mike tells him to do, and had a laid back personality (not type A), but you’re not wrong on his ability.
It was not part of F/A so it has to be a draft trade, lets get it right. I got tired of the THs never mentioning them. We killed that deal. Those 2 plus Tunsil make it great.
This O is now a powerful one.
I said several days ago that they might think Stills is soft.
I think the draft shows that. They drafted a tough ass Anquan Bolden type Steve Smith type WR.
And Stills cut his hair short and sounded very very serious about the coming year. I think he sensed that the coaches saw him as a lightweight based on last year’s body of work.
I think this kid might stick. Good endzone threat.
Thomas Duarte, TE
College: UCLA.
Ht./Wt.: 6-3, 213.
Comment: This second-team all-conference seam threat had touchdowns on nearly a fifth of his 53 catches last year.
Me too, especially considering who’s on top of him on the depth chart. Cameron was very unimpressive, and Sims unfortunately can’t stay on the field. Stoneburner showed a little bit last year, we’ll see if he sticks.
I think he’s 6’3″ 231
I felt we needed a WR or likely they felt we needed one come second to third rounds. A lot of the people they brought in on visits or saw on ori day said they had a higher value on WR than most of us. Go back a month or so and look at some of my posts where I was suggesting it. They also got the kind of guy I was expecting them to. I also would not be surprised that had Tunsil not fallen and Hargreaves was still gone that we might have seen them trade back and taken Treadwell. They really like him through the draft process.
The CB selection I’m not at all shocked by, I think CB was still a first round priority for us but Tunsil changed some things. I think though Howard has been a target for them since way back and I think they knew once Tunsil fell they would target him in the second. The trade is the head scratcher and seemed extremely unnecessary.
Rock,
Yeah, Tannenbaum isn’t that good at the draft and neither is his boy Grier.
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Tannenbaum said repeatedly that the choice of any player was a over all pick of every ones choice.Everyone had input and the pick was made with every ones input. I guess he iwas trying to cover his ass?
For once I’m very excited about this coming year. Young HC that has a plan. Staff that is switched on, we saw that with these picks. Did Grier make a rookie mistake but nothing to bite us in the arse.
mike,
yea I got that from Herald. I do think I heard that he’s playing at 228 or 230lbs now.
I hope he’s not 213. 231 is still pretty light in the shoes for a TE. He’s probably going to be used a receiver in most cases anyway, not an in line blocker.
Steve
How would you classify it then? If He’s the GM, but isn’t allowed to have the say a GM normally would have, doesn’t that classify him as a puppet?
I said he was a puppet, and I’ve said that from the day he became GM without even knowing who he was.
Our draft seems to be a success, at least at this stage. I think, what we have in personalities running the show is perfect. Mike – type A, Grier laid back, and Gase not laid back, not type A, he’s like the genius young guy from criminal minds, he’s got the ingenuity, but isn’t pushy and well respected.
One think I know is there are one to one with rumors I saw pre draft saying we like this guy we like that guy. Duarte was a guy liked to us, Drake, Howard, caroo, so I’d say this draft was not BPA other than the Tunsil pick which was a gift we couldn’t have expected. They had specific players in mind for specific spots
I think that’s a good thing. do you agree?
I think it is as long as you don’t overdraft. Can’t hurt you overall draft position or lose picks just to get a certain guy. You need fallback options that help the draft stay healthy. I think the managed that part OK, not great but ok.
Totally agree. We’re going to take the best players for our team (Players we decided we’re taking no matter how and when we have to take them!)
Put it this way Mike, Grier’s a puppet to Mike just like Christensen is a puppet to Gase.
Mike,
I also think Grier is a puppet. This was very similar to Tannebaum’s drafts before and Grier was actually hand-picked by Tannenbaum to be the GM. Ross gave this team to Tannenbaum to manage and anyone that thinks Grier is any more than a valued source of advice…is just looking for the rosy glasses.
I kinda wish Mike would get pushed aside and stripped of power. I never liked him, and I’m pretty sure I still don’t. Let Grier do his job, and back the F off.
Same here. I can’t forget how he ran the Jets into the ground. That was enjoybale to watch. He left picks on the table yesterday. As much as I like who we got, I would have liked to see what we could have done with the wasted picks as well. Maybe a LB? Another RB? Another CB, S?
let’s get with the program: Mike T already admitted the choices made were in conjunction with Grier , Gase and DC and OC and finally with scouting team. I don’t know if we should believe him that a group think could mess up the draft this big. I think he is lying.
We wanted to improve the OL. Jesus we got the #1 OL in the whole draft and he probably was the #1 best player at any position in the whole draft.
What more do you want?
Plus his agent is also agent for Gase and Tannenbaum. They knew everything about the kid and had seen the vid weeks before it came out. I’m not saying that we released the vid, but Laremy did not look surprised when it came out or even all that worried.
And our guys were ready to snatch him up whereas the other two teams who took tackles were not.
That was much more luck than genius Naples. The guy fell in our lap. I think they drafted wildly the rest of the way.
Boulder
I don’t think it’s good. They lost all sense of value with the trades they made to acquire those players. They didn’t need to trade up to get Howard, and in general, they seemed to have no constraint on giving up too much to get the guys they wanted. They were irresponsible.
I think if the players they got work out then its fine. If they don’t then we have DT3 situation. Listening to them seems like they wanted these players and were wiling to do whatever to get em.
http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Grier-And-Tannenbaum-Analyze-2016-Draft/a43cbb49-77dd-4d05-b4cf-dbb8c582c777
That might be correct Mike, but look at what we’ve done with other drafts in rounds 4 and later. We’ve hit on guys like Miller, but in general we don’t get much from those rounds on average. So why not trade up to get the guys you really want, that fit what you’re trying to do, instead of just taking guys that fall to you that don’t necessarily fit?
The bottom line is you try to get 3 to 4 starters from the draft each yr, I think we got 2 future starters and 5 guys that can be huge contributors, and maybe 3, if Duarte takes over for Cameron next yr. Playmakers don’t have to start, they just have to be contributors, when called upon.
Mike, Mike, Mike. I know you don’t like Cameron, but what he did based on horrible coaching/scheme last yr isn’t an indication of the player he is.
Yesterday you agreed with the hack that said Duarte had the best hands on the team at the TE position, because you weren’t impressed with Cameron. Not sure what your not being impressed with him has to do with his hands.
If Cameron doesn’t have a big yr this yr, he won’t be resigned and you wont have to worry about him any longer, but I expect he’ll be pretty good in this offense.
FYI, Duarte is insurance for Cameron being an FA after the season. This could be a great pick to save us $8M next yr.
I have pointed it out so many times Steve, I’m tired of it already. They guy catches exactly half his targets every season except the lone great season he had. Look at other good TE’s around the league like I did, you’ll see that’s not the case. Yeah, he’s fast, but when Tannehill put the ball over his shoulder in traffic, he gets alligator arms. He’s not clutch, and he’s most definitely not tough, and he can’t block.
You’re comparing him to a TE that catches the ball 4 yrds downfield like Witten, he’s a big play receiver, his catch% is going to be less than other TEs. I haven’t looked at what he did with Clev. all I know is he was a huge threat.
Mike,
Exactly. Take away the first round where he dropped in our lap. The rest looks disjointed and poorly run. As I said to you earlier, we left picks on the table. I would have liked to see what we could have gotten. They have good eyes for talent, very good. Very poor drafting skills though. The trade down and then back up that Tennessee did? Wouldn’t have happened here. Trading late picks for a 4th next year? Not happening here. Getting another solid prospect by moving down just a few spots like Tampa and Balt did? Haven’t seen it from Tannenbaum yet. Old dogs don’t change.
Rumors I saw about us trying to trade up with Cleveland in the second turns out were correct, we wanted to trade up for Myles Jack but couldn’t get the trade worked out
Jetssucks,
He’s the king of the hill. Nothing gets done without Tannenbaum approval. I don’t care what they say, he gets credit and the blame. Part of his job description at this point. and why he’s getting paid big money by Ross.
true, but he acknowledged in interview all the draft picks were made with input from all those mentioned depts. I’m sure he used a weighted average from each dept,coaches, and grier. I still don’t believe him considering how this draft unfolded that the consensuses was to trade away picks like we did. Maybe he is lying to cover up his aggressiveness.
Grier has a boss. That does not make him a puppet. A puppet has no brain, no input. A puppet is artificial, not a real person. A puppet is invented or hired out of the imagination. Grier was there before Tannenbaum. Grier is known for analyzing, research, and recommendations over 20 years. None of that is the definition of puppet.
Grier is a survivor, so yeah that does mean he knows how to take orders from the boss without pissing the bigger boss off and getting tossed out when Ireland and Hickey got tossed, but that also means he is tough enough to stick around, not soft and wussy.
YOUNG STANGER: SAW your comment regarding me going to the NFL draft while I was in Chicago: I was in Chi-town representing our state organization. I was wearing my President’s jacket with all my medals I’ve been awarded by the leaders of our industry (looked like a South American dictator in uniform)!! SOO-O-O-O I thought if I hopped over to the draft AND ATTEMPTED TO KILL TANNENBAUM, it wouldn’t look good for our state organization. –Anyway, I am seriously disappointed that we drafted NO GUARDS to plug the two biggest holes in our awful offensive line. But, hey, maybe they can bring Columbo out of retirement and everything will be OK.
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As for the report that Tannenbaum is a Jets “plant” in the Miami organization, I can top that one. A Miami fan at the coin convention in Chicago believes that ROSS (who was the underbidder to Woody Johnson when Johnson purchased the Jets) is actually IN CAHOOTS WITH JETS OWNERSHIP!! – – Even I am not crazy enough to believe that one!!! However, it is fair to say that many Fin Fans in the greater Chicago area dislike Ross intensely and were greatly disappointed by this draft. As for me, I’ll stick to my “SHOW ME” point of view. And I’m hoping they do JUST THAT!!!
I’ll try to write and article and not post all my opinions of the draft. Won’t have time to get it done until Monday. Going to grade it as well including UDFA, which so far has been kinda meh.
when you look at it from a hindsight point of view you can say the team didn’t need to trade up to get Howard but you don’t know at the time. if you’re expecting a run on cb you move up to get the guy you want. If they have him rated as the best player on their board or the bpa for their need why is it a bad thing to go up and get him? If you look at what else was available at CB at the time it’s really hard to say they should have waited. Howard goes and what CB’s are remaining for them to choose from?
In the end, we won’t find out the real value of the pick until he plays for us. But going up to get Howard is a hell of a lot better than trading back up to get Will Davis because you’re concerned about a run on CB’s.
exactly correct … There was not another CB of that quality left who fits our scheme.
The run of DBs was in the first. Not every team needs an early CB every year. They actually have more than one need surprisingly. They couldn’t wait 4 spots? Get better value from trading ? The value of the trade is 50 points or a 5th and a 6th. Move reeked of desperation which is why Ravens milk teams every year.
Our team definitely wanted to draft tougher players, as we were way too finesse with Philbin’s type guys. Thus they targeted the CB they did in the second. How many times last year did we see poor tackling in space? That guy Xavien hits like a safety with the speed and hips of a CB. He handfights and knocks the piss out of guys in press man coverage. That is what they wanted. He is so much in the mold that NFL.COM compared him to Byron Maxwell in their write-up.
And that friends is Legion of Boom style DBs. Or Revis Island style. Foul the WR early and often and dare the flags. It’s the only way to keep modern Offenses from scoring 40 points on you.
Mike I know you aren’t big on Cameron but I think you have to kinda discard last year. Tanny and the receivers were not in the same page and a lot of the targets were thrown way behind him. It’s not a excuse for him but I’d evaluate him on a better year, last year wasn’t all him but improvements can be made on his part as well.
I think Stills is getting a bum wrap as well. he did much better in New Orleans and he was going up and getting the ball. If this offense is anything like I expect it to be I think both Cameron and Stills will eat.
I agree
most of the receptions he got happened in the 1st 6 games and then he went silent the rest of the season.Injury, new coaches, or new playbook?
Come on OD that is done serious conspiracy theory crap there. 0 chance the dolphins team exists just to help the jets. That’s some way out there shit man.
Some not done
AS I SAID, I don’t believe those stories – – I simply reported them. While I agree the theories are wacko, it does indicate how dissatisfied some fans are with Steve Ross’s stewardship of the franchise. The Dolphin fans I talked to in Chicago did NOT have ONE GOOD WORD TO SAY ABOUT STEVE ROSS. And that is a fact.
I think OD was responding to what my son heard at Bokampers in Plantation during the draft party that I posted earlier. He heard from someone that they thought that Mike T. was a plant for the Jets. My son also said most people there were unhappy with the draft.
Steve
Look at a couple of players similar to Cameron
Jordan Cameron – 289 targets/165 receptions (57 %) including that 1 good season
Greg Olsen – 877 targets/542 receptions (62%)
Zach Miller – 106 targets/79 receptions (75%)
Owen Daniels – 758 targets/459 receptions (60%)
Chris Cooley – 669 targets/429 receptions (64%)
Look at Cameron’s stats. Every year, except for 2013, where he caught 80 passes on 118 targets, he’s caught EXACTLY half of the passes thrown to him. That’s with lots of different QB’s too. He’s also not a red zone threat, with 13 TD’s in 5 seasons. I had him in FF, I watched him a lot. His TD’s were mostly busted coverages where there was only a LB covering him, and he blew right past him. He;’s not worth anywhere near what we paid him.
I don’t care about stats.
I give this draft a solid A. If we had drafted 5th round LB or Alex Collins at RB instead of the other CB, it would’ve been Aplus.
Needs met, types matched, holes filled.
I love the boldness and creativity of Tannenbaum, who I think learned some hard lessons in New York.
Come on, Naples! –Tannenbaum’s last 2 years in New York brought chaos and failure to the Jets’ organization. That’s why NO NFL ORGANIZATION would hire him for the following 2 years! And, as for his first year in Miami, he turned an 8-8 team into a 6-10 team. YOU can call this Miami draft an “A” or an “A-Plus” if you want to. But I say his failure to draft A SINGLE GUARD IN THE DRAFT means that he has failed to plug the two biggest holes on this offensive line. T-BAUM has a three year streak of proven failure going for him. THESE are the kind of front office men Ross tends to hire, along with his tendency to hire head coaches with little or no head coaching experience!!
I disagree that no other CBs were left that fit that mold. Green. The next CB taken was a larger CB, great speed, tough, press guy. I can’t say 100% that Howard wasn’t in danger if being taken, but I highly highly doubt it
naplesfan2010 says:
May 1, 2016 at 10:11 am
exactly correct … There was not another CB of that quality left who fits our scheme.
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It wasn’t about the quality left, it’s about a CB that fits the scheme. Others here mentioned this guy was still on the board and that guy was, but those guys aren’t the prototype CB we were looking for.
Sorry Naples, I misread your post. We’re both saying the same thing.
Steve
LMAO! You don’t care about stats, eh? Ok, we’ll just talk about how Jordan Cameron is a handsome guy then. lol
Like ’em or not, they’re the body of work a player has, and that’s how players are judged. What other criteria would you like to judge them by?
Eye test Mike, but not the type of eye test you usually do with these guys 😉
The first thing Gase said when he was hired was how much he liked Landry. Any surprise the type of players drafted were mostly Landry clones?
IF TUNSIL is a Landry clone I’ll be truly amazed!
Mike for targets to look bad on a receiver it has to be matched with drops. If a QB is missing them, which I saw Tanny do a lot with Cameron, then the target still happened even if it was uncatchable. Even that though can be eschewed since them reaching back and getting a hand on something still very uncatchable counts as a drop.
I think you just need to wait and see, and if you are right and this year he doesn’t produce, I’ll stand right there with ya hoping they cut him and get someone better.
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wrong twice or agree with that two times over?
They really wanted Duarte, who was starting TE for UCLA which is a national big time program.
He has sticky hands, runs clean routes, and scores TDs. I see him as our new, niftier Charles Clay. We don’t need a replacement for Sims who can block and release. If Cameron can show progress streaking down the seams, fine. If not put in Duarte and cut Cameron at the end of the year. Duarte could be a nightmare for bigger LBs coming into patterns from the H-back and also as a lead blocker aiming at safeties and smaller cover LBs in space.
I heard that too Naples, the comparison with Clay.
Im glad Seattle can coach up 5th rounders but we have to desperately waste a 4th to move up out of fear. The Pats and Balt feast on desperate front offices every year and usually are in the playoffs. We desperately traded with both this year…and got burned both times.
I’m pretty sure those teams aren’t in the playoffs every yr, because of what they do with 4th and 5th rounders.
It is part of it. Finding those late starters helped them pay for other starters. Everyone pays the same every year. Some find better value and use it to profit…every year.
we desperately wasted a 4th, 5th and 7th when we moved up to get Will Davis. Howard is a scheme fit and he’s from a BIG 12 school and played against teams who throw the ball A LOT. Will Davis was like a deer in the headlights at the next level.
So one really bad trade exonerates another? I dont think it does.
No. What I’m saying is Ireland admitted that he panicked when he moved up to get Davis in the 3rd rd because of a fear that cb’s were coming off the board and that’s what he gave up to get him. he took a CB just to get a CB and just to fill a need. We used a 4th rd pick this year to go up and get the player we wanted that fits our scheme and he was the player who could best help our team at that point.
What I heard was the trade up to get Howard wasn’t to take him, it was to get Myles jack, but Jax took him one pick before, and after the deal to trade up was done.
That’s not a good way to trade. I know you are desperate to find good excuses for their poor skills but it still was a wasted opportunity. Im just glad that Gase and co. seem good enough to work past Tannenbaum and co.
I think that rumor is just a rumor. Jacksonville traded up w/Baltimore to get Jack. Then KC picked and then we traded up.
Kenyan Drake was my pick at RB for us from the first day after the NCAA season ended, so I am ecstatic about that pick. He is a make’em miss guy as a RB, a great pass-catcher, and a home-run threat in the return game. He is a perfect compliment for a slasher like Ajayi.
If he makes you sleep good at night then so be it. Who is going to run between the tackles?
Then you had a better vision of what the team was trying to do, than the rest of us, we were expecting a typical RB.
I think BUF gets an A for their draft, I think we deserve a C+, maybe a B-
Lol, I still count Tunsil so I give it an B+. We got good players but we wasted picks throughout the draft.
What I got from watching Ragland play at Alabama was he was a system fit. Tide defenders must be taught to stay at home and play their own position no freelancing, because I noticed a lot of them didn’t anticipate plays, they waited until something happened, then reacted to it. Ragland was quick to get to the ball and laid the wood, but in the NFL he’ll be too slow for that style. I don’t know how he’s going to play in the NFL, but I think there’s a good chance he’s a bust. He’ll still lay the wood, but he may have trouble getting to the ball carrier.
Tunsil IS a Landry clone. He has a mean streak, a hard punch, he’ll hand fight you every inch, he has sweet feet, and he plays through the whistle. OK so he weighs 100 pounds more, but that is just his position not his style. Dallas Thomas is NOT the Landry style. Dallas Thomas is the Philbin style. Tunsil replacing Thomas is heaven for us and hell for our opponents.
I wasn’t referring to Tunsil, because I really haven’t looked at much of his tape, and it’s harder to see that from a lineman, it’s usually from more of a reputation.
i was replying to OD.
OD, have you seen the bowl game pass play to Tunsil which he scored a TD on? Very Landry like lol
D, you’re right! Landry and Tunsil are virtual twins. Maybe I need to see Mike E and get my glasses adjusted.
Steve
My eye test told me Tannehill didn’t trust Cameron, and the way he dropped passes last year was probably the cause of that. Every time Tannehill forced a pass to Cameron, he didn’t come up with it.
Ok fair enough, that’s much better than just throwing stats out there. We’ll really see what he’s made of this yr, with a real coach and scheme.
if he makes the team 😉
jetsssuck says:
May 1, 2016 at 10:25 am
I think OD was responding to what my son heard at Bokampers in Plantation during the draft party that I posted earlier. He heard from someone that they thought that Mike T. was a plant for the Jets. My son also said most people there were unhappy with the draft.
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Most fans are ignorant on what a team is trying to do in the draft, they only see what needs fixing right now, but don’t know some players are picked, because another at his position is coming up on FA and might need to be replaced. Drafting is done after the first 2 to 3 rounds on future needs.
We’re on this board every day and follow the team regularly and were pretty clueless as to what the team was trying to do. We figured it out soon enough, but fans there when it was live don’t have time to think they just react to what some dimwit next to them says.
SPEAK for yourself. The “dimwit” next to me has a degree in mathematics from LSU and has been to more football games than I have. Which is pretty incredible.
huh? My son and I both graduated from UF and both of us didn’t graduate with degree in Mathematics. Computer Science and electrical engineering respectfully,
I wasn’t talking about one fan, I was generalizing how people react in a crowd. They showed the same thing every yr when the draft was in NY by jets fans.
I was talking about football knowledge dimwits anyways, and someone having a degree doesn’t make them any more knowledgeable by having it alone. I’ve known plenty of people with certain degrees that don’t know squat.
The ass always comes out in you, when you get defensive.
The draft is a hurly-burly of surprises, frenzy, and job-dangerous stress. They get at most 10 minutes to make their pick and like 4 minutes in the later rounds. I know that they aren’t just drinkin’ coffee until their turn comes but still, it’s no picnic on the beach. Sure they make some hasty decisions. And it’s a cut-throat poker game also. The other teams are trying to bluff you and confuse you and beat you out of guys you want just to be mean to you.
So if you feel you MUST trade to get your guy before someone else does, and the only trade you can make is a little lopsided against you, tough noogies you gotta suck it up and make that trade before you totally lose your guys and your board gets all fucked up and you don’t fill the holes you have on your roster and don’t get the type of players your coach needs to win in his scheme.
People make really bad decisions when desperate. Maybe it’s because Grier is new to his position but they made mistakes the whole draft. That’s one reason you have an extensive board is because the draft is so unpredictable. Top teams like the Pats, Ravens, etc use their experience and savvy to take advantage of less experienced or less savvy FOs. I was hoping Tannenbaum might change. I was hoping his experience would help Grier. But we gambled willy-nilly, hurly-burly all draft and lost value because of it. There’s a reason people that gamble all the time lose a lot. Odds against you and you already won the first round. Time to take a breath and use your board, read the signs before you(7 DBs in first round) and make better decisions.
The Cheats haven’t done so great in the draft lately, they’re good, because of Brady and Belicheat.
Baltimore was going to dradt tunsil at 6th but didnt’ when they saw the video. That means they had no idea that video existed. IF newsome is such and awesome GM how come he didn’t about the video? Crier did and knew exactly when it was filmed. Props to crier.
exactly correct
But Newsome said Stanley was top of their board? GMs lie all the time. We had an extra hour to recheck options, later pick, and no similar options. Sure, Newsome can say what he wants. He had a top tier LT waiting either way.
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From PFF (I’m seeing lots of “non-Walker” grades like PFF’s as I search):
Miami Dolphins, A-
1 (13) (from Philadelphia) Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
2 (38) Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor
3 (73) Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama
3 (86) Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
6 (186) (from Miami via Minnesota) Jakeem Grant, WR, Texas Tech
6 (204) Jordan Lucas, S, Penn State
7 (223) Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky
7 (231) Thomas Duarte, WR, UCLA
Day 1: Miami capitalized on the draft’s biggest story by grabbing one of the best players in Tunsil at No. 13 overall. He turned away a top slate of pass-rushers last year to give up only five pressures, and he’s an explosive run-blocker who is capable of moving defenders at the point of attack and finding targets at the second level.
Day 2: The film shows the potential with Howard, whose length and speed make him an intriguing option at outside corner, but there were enough bad plays on tape to give him the No. 16 coverage grade in the class. Drake has good straight-line speed and he can catch the ball out of the backfield (his 2.07 yards per route run ranked third in the class), while also adding kick-return value. Carroo was outstanding on only 363 snaps last year, leading the class with 4.11 yards per route run, dropping only two passes and taking over multiple games (Michigan State comes to mind). He can separate at the intermediate level to add another option to Miami’s passing game.
Day 3: Carroo was drafted a day late as he’s a good intermediate route runner with sure hands and he led all FBS receivers with 4.11 yards per route. Grant picked up more yards after the catch than any receiver in the class, and he adds a playmaking option from the slot. Duarte is a mismatch option of his own as a “move” tight end and his 1.99 yards per route ranked third in the class. Doughty is one of the draft’s most accurate quarterbacks and a worthy late-round selection.
olddolphan says:
May 1, 2016 at 10:03 am
I was wearing my President’s jacket with all my medals I’ve been awarded by the leaders of our industry (looked like a South American dictator in uniform)!! SOO-O-O-O I thought if I hopped over to the draft AND ATTEMPTED TO KILL TANNENBAUM, it wouldn’t look good for our state organization
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if you shown up to the draft dressed like that it would have been guaranteed OD full body shot on both ESPN and NFL. Try to kill Tannenbaum and you make CNN.
Being on TV is overrated.
New Age – No doubt Tunsil raises the grade, even if he did just fall off the podium onto our draft table. 🙂
He saw a gas mask under the table. It was the old one Ireland used to use during the draft.
JUST OUTRAGEOUS!!! –Wonder what Ross smokes?
I’ll come back later when you have all vented and ranted to your hearts content. Some of you live in a different world to the one I do.
That’s because we’re all the way on the other side of the world
TOUCHE, Mike.
but who is upside down?
I believe we had the second best draft in our division, with the potential of it turning out the best. I do think it’s going to be hard to beat what Buffalo did. That was a very solid draft.
Steve
We’ll get to see how Reggie plays twice a year, we’ll decide then.
If you need to use a pick to get a player you want that fits what you’re trying to do rather than get a player just to fill a need you did your job. People want to see teams trade back and accumulate picks and get more players and think that’s the answer. They think more is better even if those players don’t fit what you’re trying to do on offense and defense. There were no other CB’s after Howard who 1. were as good a prospect as Howard and 2. fit our scheme nearly as well as Howard. So you go up and get him before anyone takes him. Simple as that. We didn’t have a shot at any of the other guys because we chose Tunsil in the first rd or because they were gone before we picked. You can say the team panicked in hindsight but the thing is if we didn’t go up and get him who after him solves our problem at the other CB spot? Nobody. Then people would complain that we didn’t get the right guy or maybe we wouldn’t have even picked a CB after that.
I think they did what they did to make the team better know. You can add 12 players in the draft like Cleveland did but just bringing in bodies doesn’t make your team better. They all have to be able to do their job and do it within the framework of your offense or defense. I think when we look back on this trade in another year we’re going to be glad the brass took the shot and did what they did to move up and get Howard.
Perfectly correct. More is not better.
The year Ireland had all those picks was a disaster, because he misused the ammo.
They price of taking Tunsil was we needed a immediate either 2 or 3 CB in the 2nd…..could let that wait till the 3rd. Way it worked. Only Q is if they had to make the trade or if he would have fallen to us anyhow.
If I was Balt I’d take Stanley too.
Not saying Grier or Tannenbaum were perfect, but it was Grier’s first yr as GM and only Tannenbaum’s second in Miami and first with Grier and a brand new first time HC. I thought they did great considering all that. Add in the Mario Williams replacement for OV, which I consider an upgrade, and Branch to replace Shelby (another upgrade) and Bushrod, Urbik, and Young to fight for depth on the OL, and bringing in the stinger IAQ at safety and the sleeper Ifo, it was a great FA and draft, a great off-season.
I hope this is true. Even with all his experience, this is Grier’s first draft and he did a pretty good job. But I hope that he does even better going forward. I also hope he never trades with Belicheat again and works his board better and better and better. Keep it up Grier!
SOMEONE UP THE BOARD SAID “i don’t care about stats.”
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Well I DO CARE ABOUT STATS. Stats like 17-0 and 15-2 impress me greatly Stats like 8-8, 7-9, 6-10 disappoint me greatly. And the stat “O playoff wins over the last 15 seasons” just infuriates me. Maybe I should just accept failure. Maybe I should forget about stats.
I wasn’t talking about those kind of stats, but I wouldn’t expect you to be able to read between the lines, so you are correct my friend.
Flattery will get U no where.
I was being sarcastic, but then again…
I believe he was talking about player stats not win/loss stats.Both are important but one helps one understand players and the other helps understand the team overall.
New Age says:
May 1, 2016 at 10:52 am
But Newsome said Stanley was top of their board? GMs lie all the time. We had an extra hour to recheck options, later pick, and no similar options. Sure, Newsome can say what he wants. He had a top tier LT waiting either way.
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Depends who you believe, all the reports I read said they would’ve taken Tunsil.
Neither Newsome nor Bellicheck have drafted well in recent years. The kiss-ups give them credit based on past success or in BB’s case success on the field.
Baltimore has finished 3rd in their Div for years now and only that good because #4 is Cleveland.
Not going to grade a draft at this point – you need a couple of seasons to do that. I was surprised by the direction of the draft so heavily skewed to offense. My favorite pick is Tunsil and my least favorite is Caroo. My objection to Caroo is not based on talent but on the value we gave up to get him and the fact that he is a major red flag character risk because of domestic violence issues.
Got practice what we preach though. If we were worried about “major red flag character risk” then the fests would just be you sitting next to Brian NY. 🙂
I don’t think we have any domestic abusers in our fest crowd
Was talking in general, but at least Tunsil we’ve had a lot of folks who couldn’t pick up a stone about the Tunsil vid……myself inculded given his age.
A voice of reason amongst the commoners, but it’s time to have an opinion instead of Omaring/Walkering it 😉
I also really liked the Doughty and Duarte picks too
I suppose my biggest disappointment in the draft was not taking a LB
True but it just fell that way and I think they love Alonso. Next year we draft Misi’s replacement. You can’t get 10 holes filled in one draft.
I thought going into the draft Guard and LB would be our top 2 priorities. But, I guess, Tannenbaum knows best, right, counselor?
a Grant evaluation:
“The Dolphins got a burner in Grant in the sixth round. He’s a touchdown waiting to happen on special teams.”
🙂
LOL @ all the different views on our draft.
I agree with Ken in that you can’t grade a draft now. To me what our 53 looks like is all that matters and do they win games? I have no idea what this team will be like but it’s going to be quite different on both sides of the ball in philosophy and scheme.