by D
Let me begin by saying that draft strategies are as varied as women’s underpants, and likewise, some are more appealing to others, especially given the variety of women that wear them. I have my particular views of what is a strong draft strategy but I do not, in the least, feel it is the one the Dolphins use, nor is it better than another. I do say this, however, to point out that my evaluation is based on how I think they did, and is partially based upon my own beliefs.
Let me describe then, my belief in drafting. I am not a pure BPA person; I also am not a vertical big board person. I like to combine a few aspects of BPA, horizontal big board and player specific targeting approaches. I feel it is a good strategy for getting guys you want, and yet having the flexibility for not over drafting and with preferences towards accumulating picks over sacrificing them unnecessarily.
Now that you have an understanding of my philosophy, let me begin the draft breakdown.
Round 1, pick 13: Mississippi OT Laremy Tunsil 6’5″ 310
Tunsil was my highest rate player and only one really close was Ramsey. Any other draft where QB wasn’t of such desperation would have landed him as the No. 1 overall selection. The pick to me, was BPA, it was a target player (if you lived in the land of make-believe where you really thought this was possible), it was a need position, and it was a gift from the football gods. I can’t see how this is anything other than A+, unless you are a worrier, then you might bump it down to A. Final assessment A+.
Round 2, pick 38: Baylor CB Xavien Howard 6’0″ 201
First let me set things straight, I like the guy we picked. There had been a few CB taken early so there was some sense of urgency in making this selection, though I do not agree that the urgency required a trade up. I can’t really argue if the guy would have been selected between the 4 picks we moved up to get him, because no one really knows, but I feel certain it would have been unlikely we would have been jumped by another team to take him. I also feel pretty certain that players like TJ Green, and Sean Davis offered equally rate CB prospects, same scheme fit, and Green in particular has better measurable like 40 time. I had them all pretty equally graded. Due to this I give the player selection a B+, but what we gave up to get him makes the pick a B- overall.
Round 3, pick 73: Alabama RB Kenyan Drake 6’1″ 210
Kenyan Drake is a beast. I know people think he is a scat back, or a 3rd down guy, but he is going to be a LOT more. He’s pretty comparable to Lamar Miller, but is a better receiver, statements about he cant run between the tackles is not accurate, he wasn’t use that way at Alabama but that’s because Alabama always had Henry and before that, Lacy. Drake was used as a change of pace guy there, but I don’t see that same thing for him in Gase’s system, which is a lot different from Saban’s. I think this is a perfect fit for us, and it was great talent at the right round. I think this is an A+ selection.
Round 3, pick 86: Rutgers WR Leonte Carroo 6’0″ 211
Ah, another trade up. So as I mentioned, not a big fan of giving up picks to get a play, unless it’s really justified. Player we picked is a great selection, so let’s analyze the trade. We gave up a 6th round pick, but more importantly a 3rd and a 4th rounder in 2017 to move up and take Caroo. I had Pharaoh Cooper ranked higher than Caroo, and to be honest with the way they play, there is a really strong comparison to one another. I also had Demarcus Robinson rated pretty close, though I do think Caroo gets the edge as far as play demeanor. Robinson can half ass plays sometimes, and doesn’t play aggressive. His physical skills are better but Caroo is probably the better fit. I give the pick a B+, but with what we gave up in the trade, im dropping the pick to a C+ grade.
Round 6 pick 186: Texas Tech WR/RB Jakeem Grant
Ok so I’m stuck between the nickname jitter bug and tater tot, for Grant, maybe jitter tot? At first glance you look at it and go, WTF 5’6 really but then you turn on the highlights and interviews and you go, wow this kid has spunk, he’s a baller. Quietly I have found myself loving this pick and the player. We did trade up once again to get this pick after previously trading back with NE. We swapped 6ths 196 for 186 and gave up an early 7th to move up to get him. Its hard to bag on late round trades as you are obviously maneuvering around to get a guy who probably adds special teams ability, and maybe if you are lucky becomes a backup/role player. In this guy we got a potential ST ace in the return game and a weapon on offense. Trading up to get a 1st year contributor, is an A+ move. Given the potential of this pick I see it as an A+ grade.
Round 6 pick 204: Penn State S/CB Jordan Lucas 6’0″ 201
I had to go back and watch some film on Lucas to be honest, since I didn’t remember being wow’d by him early on. He is aggressive as hell; he looks to lay a hit on people when they catch it. His zone skills are pretty solid, and I didn’t see him in press much, so kind of hard to say. Guys who play like that however usually are going to be solid press guys though. He played both S and CB, and I think for us he could wind up in either spot. He doesn’t really have elite ball-skills, but he fights through receptions, stripping a lot out and he puts hits on guys that jar’s the ball out. I give this pick a B+, because I like the upside and I think it’s a regime pick and fits our scheme solidly no matter which position he winds up at.
Round 7 pick 223: Western Kentucky QB Brandon Doughty 6’3″ 213
Is this a pick to threaten Tannehill? No not really. Should Tanny feel pressure to improve because of this pick, I think a little. I like the pick because he does represent someone who has shown in CUSA to be a standout player. He seems to have limitations however, that I don’t think you can think of him as a potential franchise guy, but I also wouldn’t count him out of the possibility. I think this selection signifies an approach by our team to always be looking to add talent at any position, even if its one that’s seemingly secure. I think as a 7th round selection the pick was a very solid one, accomplishing 2 things, an current upgrade to the backup QB spot, and an outside chance to develop a guy who eventually starts, either for us or traded to another team. Grade B.
Round 7 pick 231: UCLA TE Thomas Duarte 6’2″ 231
The pick of Duarte is a somewhat rarity in the 7th round. 7th rounders aren’t supposed to be guy who contribute right away, they are at best special-teamers that you kinda hope after a few years can be counted on as a backup, or small contributor. Most 7th rounders have little chance to make it on the team long term. Durate though I think is a guy we see make a contribution first year. It may not be gaudy numbers, but I think he comes in and gets exposure right off. I think there are things they can do with him on the field and packages they can unlock with him they couldn’t without him. I think he and Jitter Tot, are kind of in the same boat, sub package players, ST contributors and mismatch guys in different packages. I give this pick a A+ as well.
I think our draft was a really nice one, I don’t think it was as good as some of the other teams, but it was certainly better than most I think. Overall I give our draft a grade of B+, we filled a lot of holes, we got some talented players, and the only real complaint I have is the trades, which at times didn’t follow good draft strategy to me. The players we got were good talented guys I hope to see on the field next year, if this happen of course then the trades were great moves, so I hope to come back around at some point re-evaluating this draft and giving it a higher score.
Finsmob Unleashed 
D I read every word. I hardly used the scroll wheel at all. Nice job! While I might be a little less high with some individual grades and think the overall grade is closer to a C I enjoyed reading your evaluations. I’m just having a real hard time forgiving you crazy trades that were unnecessary in my opinion. I can only hope these players work out for us in the long run. GO DOLPHINS!
** forgiving THE crazy trades. Damn auto correct
Oh, and
FIRST, SECOND & THIRD!
CARROOOOOOOO
what grade would you give our draft compared to last year’s draft? How many starters from draft in their rookie year? Is Carroo gonna get more than 25 catches? How many NFL FA are gonna get more catches than Carroo? Is Drake gonna be a every down back? Is drake gonna get more than 7 carries a game? Is X.Howard a good press cover CB that doesn’t require heavy help from Safety. Lots of questions and schemes that our coaches need to protect the young pups.
Good piece D
I rea
Lu just have to see the way it comes together to judge
But good logic
You obviously like the Drake pick more than me or maybe anyone….
I like his homerism of giving a A+ to drake the fake…
D,
Great post, I mean article. You are higher than he on most picks but believe the same as I. Since Drake was never the main guy, and has a decent injury history, I have to give him a B-. Great fit but probably here later than where we got him with his history. Tunsil is my only A+ because it was amazing. Carroo is a B. I think he’s an A prospect and I drop him because of Tannebaum ways. Howard is a B just because we wasted the pick. The rest are solid A and B+. It really was a very good draft for Grier’s first time at the ‘helm’ but it can always be better.
Baylor CB Xavien Howard, come on a B- grade after all the guy was called out on interference on only 20 pass interference and holding calls in two seasons as a starter,but the good news is he wasn’t called and accepted by opposing team 5 interference calls that resulted in TD’s. How many NFL receivers from college has the guy played against? I hope the coaches can hide him and he won’t get first looks from QB’s. Maybe they can hide him on the bench for the year to learn the NFL.
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Too early to grade this draft I agree with many who feel they made some trades that to me were a waste especially for Howard who I feel had they waited he would have been there 4 spots later thus negating giving up our 4th round pick that could have netted us a LB or other position of need. That alone would take my grade if I had one down.
They could have also used that 4th RD pick in the trade to get Carroo, so they wouldn’t had to have squandered the 3rd RD next year. In other words, this year’s 4th and next year’s 4th.
I thought it was a 3rd and 4th next year. How many receptions do you think the guy will get this Year? Was he worth it considering what we already have? Could we have gotten a FA instead who could produce similar numbers? I seem to remember a WR we had that produced great numbers who was a FA pick up.
I don’t think D’s reviews were homerific, I think he’s on the level, it’s just his opinion. You don’t have to agree with them.
Nice job D – Homer!!!!!
Nothing against Mr.Homer Simpson he has his right to a opinion and he is usually dead on with them. I just think we may have caught him on a day when he was dead wrong on many of his grades. I hope I’m wrong on my grades being closer to F’s and D’s. Maybe we could salvage some C’s
This draft was full of unexpected things like Laremy falling to Miami and I thought they would have gone a little more on the defensive side targeting a young DE and LB.
New Age
Drakes injury history worries me as well, but then again you look at guys who had major injuries like McGahee and had long careers, so you never know.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anomaly
Right now all anyone of you is doing is grading the draft by prospect projections by talking heads, by teams needs, by round selected, & trades used.
The real test & subsequent grades are after the bullets start flying and where they end up on the depth charts, meaningful snaps, etc.
Shall we put this in the news at 11 category 😉
It is a nice article I thought the “D” in the title was a grade for the draft but as I read on I realized things did not add up.
I didn’t want anyone to think the article was by me, because I submitted it, and my name shows up.
It’s the new math
D,
Nice article which was level headed. Drake was an excellent selection. A+++ ability which is offset by a C- injury history. This guy is a who in the pass game is a mismatch for LBs,Ss, & CBs. You’re correct also that he can run between the Tackles. He’s not a bruiser, but he’s not deficient there neither.
When it comes to Carroo I don’t agree with the assessment that he’s going to be a #4 with very little catches and it was a waste using the picks we did to get him based on that assessment. I don’t think the team uses those assets in the draft if they thought that was the case. If they were looking for a #4 wr who wasn’t going to do a lot they could have gone with any number of guys later but they chose to move up and get Carroo and I think they had a reason for doing it.
Others are saying the same thing about the pick; it was kind of a waste to take a wr and use those picks to get a guy who won’t contribute much but I think that’s kind of short-sighted on their part.
Moving up to get Carroo was for a specific purpose and we didn’t just take a player to have him sitting there watching everyone else on the field. D had others rated higher than him or similar to him but the team had him as the 2nd best wr on their board and I agree with that assessment.
Coleman and Fuller are speed guys and Fuller doesn’t have good hands. In addition, neither of those guys can run a route worth a shit and neither guy is going to go up and get it or fight for the ball like Carroo will. We got a player who’s the complete package at wr. May not be as fast as those other guys but he’s a better prospect and, IMO, he’s a better prospect than Landry was when he came out. If you ask me, I think he’s more of a scoring threat than Landry is. With that, I’m not saying Landry is garbage, I’m saying Landry started in his first season and this guy should have plenty of opportunities on the field. They saw an opportunity to get someone who can make a difference on the offense and give them more flexibility in what they do; just like with the Drake pick. When the season is over I think we’ll be having a different conversation about the way this went down.
I’ll bet that Carroo is our #3 WR, and not #4. #4 is reserved for the puss, Kenny Stills
In the end it may turn out that way because I don’t see the coaching staff looking at the guys they have to work with and being too concerned about who is the #1, #2 and so on; just more concerned with how each piece fits and how they can best utilize each guy each week against a particular defense. They may find certain matchups to work better for us against one D and others to work better against another D and I think the Drake, Carroo and Grant picks were all about creating as many mismatches as we can to give us the best opportunity to move the ball and score.
When the season is over I think we’ll be having a different conversation about the way this went down.
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Hence my post above….
I too felt WR was not a need and to trade back in the 3rd and give up a 3rd and 4th in 2017 (we will have compensatory picks in that area) was a bit much and they must have a plan that we currently do not see…
The plan is to score points in the ever high scoring passing league & being in a division where the AFC east leader usually scores more than 30 a game.
So you start there, score more points than you have, become dangerous on offense, & then you can be more aggressive on defense like what VJ’s scheme calls for.
This team was 1 injury away from having to depend on the un dependable Hazel this year and have to possibly deal w/ a Stills departure in 2017. I was always a proponent of getting a top shelf WR this year so I had no issue w/ the trade or the selection.
Exactly. If you go back and look at our offense last season and see how many times we failed to move the ball down the field and get into scoring position; it was horrendous. We had plenty of opportunities on offense but just couldn’t do anything. If we went into the season maybe just picking up a rookie rb as the only skill player on the offensive side, what changes except for the fact that we have a new coaching staff with a new offensive scheme. They still have the same players as they did last season. However, you add specific pieces to the offense with Drake, Carroo and Grant and now you have more players to use to help you accomplish what you want to do on offense; specific players.
….and Tunsil of course…the protection had to get better after leading the league in sacks over the past 4 yrs.
Free agent CB Leon Hall (back) is visiting the Giants on Tuesday.
This is an odd one considering the Giants just spent the No. 10 overall pick on Eli Apple, gave Janoris Jenkins a huge deal, and also have Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on the roster. A team can never have enough corners, however, and Leon Hall remains one of the best slot guys in the league. Hall is recovering from surgery to repair a “disc injury” in his back.
Tells you they drafted Apple for what he can be in the future because they don’t think his is that right now
I think the Drake pick was like getting Miller back at less than a mil per year, so hard to shake me off the A+ on that one
Homer!
Guess so. I have us in the top ten in the league as far as draft grades go.
While it’s true there are no #1 or #2 WR designations in our offense, I think Landry will lead the team in receptions, Parker will be next with more yards, and then Carroo, and then the puss (Stills). lol
Last year’s offense there really was no defined designation because it supposedly made it harder to defend not knowing where anyone would line up. I’m not sure if they run with the same philosophy this year, but you can get away with designating and still getting your receivers open if you are worth your salary as an offensive coordinator.
Landry may lead the team in receptions again this season but I don’t think it’s going to be that wide gap between him and the next guy like it’s been in the past. If we’re not spreading the ball around more this year then something is wrong. Lot’s of guys who will contribute on this offense this year as compared to the past and we definitely need to start getting the ball into the hands of other players to let them make plays. Landry getting all of those catches maybe isn’t as good a thing as some think. He doesn’t score that much. If we’re going to have more opportunities to score we got to get the ball more to guys like Parker, Stills and Cameron. These guys are scoring threats.
D, nice write up. I understand every point you made. I’m now going to wait and see if it pans out like you suggested and what I believe the team drafted them to do. It could turn out to be a very productive draft. We shall see.
I agree Lou, I think Parker and/or Carroo will be a lot closer than the disparity was last season. Stills had every opportunity to step last season while Parker was hurt, he just didn’t do it.
The only way Landry leads by a long shot in receptions is if we run the same amount of bubble screens and curls to him that we did the last 2 years.
I don’t think Doughty is going to challenge Tannehill for a starting spot this season but I do believe Moore’s job is definitely in jeopardy. I also think Doughty is going to surprise a lot of people this season because he gets the ball out fast and he’s accurate. Once he gets the timing down with the receivers in camp I can see this guy just tearing it up with completion after completion to his guys. I think some or many may be looking at this pick the wrong way. No, he won’t challenge Tannehill at qb this year but I think next year he can push him and the year after that there could be a real competition going on. The only thing Doughty doesn’t have is an extremely strong arm but he’s intelligent, moves around well to buy time, he’s accurate, has great ball placement and I like how he keeps his eyes down the field all the time.
I’m afraid if he goes on PS someone will poach him.
Well he did last until the 7th rd and just remember he has to be put on the active roster for at least 3 games if poached. So a team will have to view him very highly.
Do you think he’s an upgrade over Zac Dysert who was also drafted in the 7th rd in 2013 by Denver and Gase brought him to CHI and now MIA?
The only mistake in this draft IMO was to give up the 4th to get howard. That was a wasted trade. other than that I think it was a good draft. If howard works out and becomes a solid starter then that’s worth an extra 4th rounder.
nice write up D.
With Taylor gone to Cleveland, I look forward to seeing how the camp competition across from Maxwell goes between Lippett, Howard, & Lucas. 1 of those 3 should emerge hopefully.
I also still see a vet add @ CB before all is said and done in preseason. We are a tad short on quality numbers…so adding to the CB corp is likely to happen….IMO..
jetsucks,
if howard can’t start opposite maxwell or in the slot THIS year then it was terrible pick. We needed a starter with our 2nd round pick. Anything less then its wasted.
It’s not wasted because even Madison and Surtain didn’t start right away as 2nd rd picks but he better start eventually.
That said I think he will be given every opportunity to start.
Tim Knight says:
May 3, 2016 at 10:11 am
Do you think he’s an upgrade over Zac Dysert who was also drafted in the 7th rd in 2013 by Denver and Gase brought him to CHI and now MIA?
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Tim,
I do. I believe with proper development he can start in this league. He’ll be similar to Pennington late in his career stylistically except you don’t have to worry about one of his limbs falling off lifting a Gatorade cup.
LOL
Tim Knight says:
May 3, 2016 at 10:11 am
Do you think he’s an upgrade over Zac Dysert who was also drafted in the 7th rd in 2013 by Denver and Gase brought him to CHI and now MIA?
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Yes, I think so, or else they wouldn’t have drafted him & took chances with him or someone else being an UDFA.
I think it also says Logan Thomas days are very numbered. Maybe even Moore if he can’t show much separation over Dysert & Doughty.
Moore isn’t a Gase guy, but he was resigned just incase, but they kept looking with the Doughy selection.
I feel bad for selling Jamar Taylor short. I had said we traded him for moving 2 spots in the 7th, it was actually 22 spots. That went from a pair of old socks to slightly worn socks.
He was a true disappointment. I never felt he’d make it as our CB, but had hoped they’d try him @ safety….but they just got the bad taste out of their mouths altogether.
Great job D — learned more from that than from the draft gurus on our guys.
Will not that Tunsil was not a “a gift from the football gods.”
That one came from the Rasta Gods. So Jahn say.
Stanger
Did you know Stills was a puss? LOL I have no idea why I’m disparaging that young man, he was just so disappointing to me last season.
Stills underperformed based on what I was hoping for, but he did nothing to tell me he shouldn’t be part of the four wideouts we shuttle in and out…….just that he should be #3 or #4 till he shows more.
Gase loves his skill set.
Later
Earlier
Am I only only the one thinking that D was ignored in the draft and liked it? 🙂
Pretty sure.
My bad joke — but we sure didn’t go D on draft day.
Tim
Which skillset is that?
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/03/23/dolphins-wr-kenny-stills-to-become-bigger-part-of-offense/
Drafting Caroo and trading away 3 picks to get him tells me otherwise, w/o even reading about Gase praising Stills.
Stanger
No question he’s going to be one of the 5 WR’s. I just think he’s going to be relegated to a lesser role. We don’t trade away 2 picks from next year and 1 from this year to draft a WR in the 3rd to be behind Stills, or be insurance. Make no mistake, Carroo will be a big part of the offense this season and beyond.
They needed four to play in the O though. And not like Hazel has shown enough to be that. So they needed one more. No doubt who the top 2 are……Q will be playing time for Caribooo and Stills. As much three WR sets as we play….both will get it.
Right, but we could have taken a guy at our spot, or even in the next RD if we just wanted a 4th WR.
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#Dolphins get WR/KR Jakeem Grant. He’s a bargain here. Dynamic playmaker. Super quick. He’s tiny but was toughest guy on #TexasTech team.
Really interested to see this guy in a Phins uni.
Stanger
I think the fact we ignored the DE and LB positions shocked almost everyone here.
Mike, I don’t believe that just because we made a draft trade for a WR that once again it’s subtraction by addition. I expect Landry, Parker, Stills and Carroo to be our 4 man WR rotation.
OK, so we differ on that, that’s cool. Stills is on his last year of his rookie contract, and I think they tried to upgrade from him. If not, there was no need to go crazy and trade for Carroooooooo
I don’t view it as going crazy to trade for him. He was a targeted prospect simple as that. Our 4 man WR rotation could be awesome. 🙂
Look at it as bye bye Hazel.
BTW – I don’t disagree that Stills will be part of the 4 man corps, I just think they took Carroo to a big part of the offense, which makes Stills a lesser part of the offense.
Mike, we’ll see how the WR position plays out. All I care about is they play well and put a lot of points on the board. 🙂
Count me in on that
Mike,
I agree that Carroo will be a bigger part of our offense than Stills. Im not disparaging Stills at all but I think Carooooo will overtake him before the year is out. Still s has a select skillset but I think Carroo, Landry, and Parker are better overall targets for Tanny. They will get the contested balls a lot better than Stills will. These are huge upgrades for our QB. He can make some bad throws and they will still catch them…unlike that dirty sock Cameron 😉
Most wideouts take a while to adjust though……not all are Landry. Hopefully in October we’ll be talking about who deserves more playing time cause both look darn good.
A big part of this is Stills is a FA after this season. And that brings us back to the adjust time.
LOL!!
@ New Age
Stills is a good deep threat. Parker can also go deep so we have more options at WR than we’ve had in a long time. Then add Parker’s size on other routes. We’re becoming very complete at WR.
Lou, i meant for it to come off that way, my eval of the Doughty pick. I think he is a guy who immediately means a replacement option for Moore, and he has enough skill to give Tanny a little nudge this year and push him harder as he develops. I think a lot more of him than most here, he was one of my favorite options early on in he draft process, GDP can attest to that because we discussed him on the blog a few months ago, before you came back. I think it was a smart pick without it running the risk of sending the wrong signal this year.
I don’t remember specifically who was discussing Doughty but I know he was discussed here and I believe you if you say it was you and GD. LOL
To give GD credit he was more behind him than I, early on. I had seen some film by that point, and liked what i saw but his persistence made me really go back and look at him. After i did, tbh, i didn’t think we would get a shot at him, i thought he was going to be a 4th rounder, and i wasn’t sure we were going to take a QB that high. I felt more likely we would sign Driskell as he is a Florida native and has good upside, and i was pretty sure he would be there 6-7th round for us. Im glad we did get that opportunity.
I think both Stills and Caroo contribute, i think how much Stills is still getting opportunities towards the end of the year will tell us if Still will be someone they attept to re-sign next year. I have no doubts that is Stills doesnt push himself he winds up falling behind Caroo, but i think initially they start off being more considered co-number 3’s instead of one a 3 and another a 4.
Whatever the initial spin is they won’t be able to spin the number of plays for each.
I would be very surprised if stills is re-signed. If he plays well he’ll want an arm and a leg and we’ll pass. If he doesn’t then he’s not worth re-signing.
The nice thing is, stills is playing for a contract this year similar to mathews last year.
I wanted to draft Doughty until he SHAT the bed in the Senior Bowl!
But all the announcers said he would never be good in that atmosphere because he’s a timing QB?
You can’t ague with his resume though! He lit it UP!!!!!!!!!
Quiz of the Day
Who about whose father?
(and no fair if you already know or hit google).
“His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it.”
“I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting? It’s horrible.”
https://twitter.com/DolphinsRuleAll/status/727514600091062272
HOPS
Gotta like that. He’ll have to time his leaps in traffic though. Sorta like Grimes.
Is that Grant?
Yes
Ted cruz
Was Trump on Ted Cruz. And based on a National Enquirer story that even if true (which Cruz says is not) has the Dad passing out pamphlets with Oswald months before the shooting. Imagine the presser fact briefings from Pres Donald.
Wyoming. Doughty wasn’t at Senior Bowl
He was @ 1 of the 3
Sorry D it was the Shrine Game
PSST (he still Shat the bed!) 😉
PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
B.Doughty 17 11 87 0/0 0 20 2 37.7
Don’t think we won’t face Brady in game two quite yet.
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Brady [has added] a superstar lawyer with substantial U.S. Supreme Court experience on his team…..Ted Olson, a former U.S. Solicitor General known for his wins in high-profile cases before the nation’s top court, including Citizens United and Bush v. Gore.
While the New York City-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals could, of course, reverse court in an en banc rehearing, if one is granted, Brady’s retention of Olson suggests that he anticipates the case could go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
The Shrine Bowl performance by Doughty means nothing. Look at his body of work his past two seasons at WKU and you’re going to discount everything b/c of one all-star game. Look at what Vernon Adams did. he’s got a tryout with the Seahawks.
I’m not saying you throw the baby out with the bathwater!
But you can’t ignore the warts either!!!
Mike,
Quick word before I head back to work. ESPN radio had a great stat yesterday on Mike and Mike. The 5 teams who had the most draft picks(they selected) were all in the playoffs. The 5 teams who had the least? None in the playoffs. While Ireland was a special kind of disaster, Tannenbaum was also a disaster in NY. There is no problem in wondering if a guy who averaged less than 5 picks a year at the Jets…has improved his adult tendencies. If you even hit all of your picks perfectly in a 4 year window, at 5 picks a year that’s only 20 guys.
While we knocked this draft out of the park, we did leave some value at the wayside. It’s not a bad thing to question a guy who traded like crazy in NY,.. have the most trades in our history this past weekend. Has he learned how to draft better? Is Grier a good balancing force for him? Will he continue to draft well, or was this like NY’s first two drafts where he was fantastic but started shitting the bed after that? I think these are valid questions no matter how well they did.
Great draft but, like you, I don’t want 2 champ games followed by utter collapse. We can(and do) love our drafted players, our new philosophy, our coaching, etc and still question the guy with a history of wild gambling and bad decisions. He is definitely better than Ireland though so already a better team lol.
Tannenbaum’s Jets made the playoffs three times with two AFC championship games. Hardly a disaster. Did he make mistakes, sure, but not every move he has made has been the same and he seems to be accused of that.
Teams that make playoffs usually have a franchise QB. So they can afford to let FAs leave and get comp picks. If NE didn’t have brady they would act differently. They wouldn’t let their other good players leave in FA as much as they do now.
Good point and it’s true.
He’s definitely going to compete with Thomas for the nickel/dimeback role and provide depth at both CB and S. He did everything we ask Thomas to do at Penn State. I know Thomas played mostly safety last year out of necessity, but the year before he was more of a nickel/dimeback, similar to what Wilson was.
I hope McCain locks down the main nickel slot corner job though.
Thanks New Age – Definitely something to ponder.
New Age
I heard that stat before
I suspect it varies year to year though
I do think teams like Green Bay, Pitt, Cinci and Arizona value their picks
I’m not fond of trading away picks at the rate Tannebaum was doing it
butI’m not sure it all won’t end up being academic
The key to this draft is our 6th and 7th rounders performing like 4th rd picks – role players. depth or better.
The days after the draft are not days to grade
They are days for self reflection
For example…
https://twitter.com/pantsfreezone/status/727553835246342145
Anybody who still doesn’t think this country is becoming a police state, leaning very commie more & more?
A judge in Colorado ordered a mother’s child to be removed from her custody because the mother’s interest in “chemtrails” was a “fringe subculture” and represented a threat to her daughter.
Boulder Judge Dolores Mallard told Becca Vandb that her interest in the chemtrail conspiracy – which holds that some contrails emitted by commercial and military aircraft are in fact part of clandestine geoengineering programs – was a radical view because “99% of people would know those are just contrails.”
Vandb said that the inquiry was triggered after she raised the subject of chemtrails during a visit to her daughter’s school and was immediately told to leave the premises.
“I can now only see my daughter with a social security worker standing over me taking notes, and the judge said this was so that if I mention chemtrails they would put a stop to that. I am being railroaded for expressing my views about chemtrails,” wrote Vandb, adding that she had not received any CPS visits nor were there any allegations of child abuse made by the court or her daughter’s school.
That’s BS unless there is more to it and this woman is really a loon and the article isn’t telling the whole story. If that’s not the case, I don’t see how this is even constitutional. We need the Flying Pig or Ken or Stanger to chime in here.
There’s a lot more to it than that without checking…..they don’t order supervised visitation for such. Sounds like Home is her new lawyer though.
I agree, there has to be a stronger pattern here to which the chemtrails argument was in a long line of much deeper seeded, and likely manic type outbursts. Conspiracy theory might not be readily accepted theories, but they dont make a person crazy. They are usually things that a crazy person latches on to and take WAY further than your average believe in those conspiracies.
According to Judge Mallard, Vandb being “immersed in a fringe subculture” means “she is a danger to her daughter.”
“The school helped him take away custody because I had the gall to argue with them when they severely embellished my comments (made to adults only) about chemtrails,” Vandb told YourNewsWire.
Vandb’s Facebook page features numerous posts about chemtrails and other conspiracies.
Whether you believe in the reality of chemtrails or not, the notion that the state can order someone’s child to be seized because of their private beliefs – with no evidence whatsoever of actual child abuse – is chilling.
What’s next? Taking people’s kids because they don’t agree with the “consensus” on man-made global warming?
Last year we reported on the Naughler family, who had their 10 children seized by police because of concerns over their off-grid, traditional lifestyle.
We also previously highlighted the case of a father who was harassed by Child Protective Services because he chose to only give his children organic food and refused to let them drink unfiltered tap water.
Allowing the state to characterize holding certain harmless beliefs or living completely legal lifestyles as a form of child abuse is an incredibly dangerous precedent and should be opposed at every turn.
There’s got to be more to the last story too. Plenty of people live a more traditional lifestyle like the Amish for one so I’m not sure this story is telling the whole story.
Tim, the Amish get away with it cause they set up that type of community a log time ago. So their kinda grandfathered in if you will….lol
Seems the father might be connected & is winning the custody dispute with this BS move by a Thought Police Judge…smh!
There is not legal precedence for them to act on, and i think there is little chance to establish a precedence here. Conspiracy theories are not thought to be lunacy, non-conventional maybe but not an indication of lunacy. They will have to establish more in regards to her overall mental health being unfit/unsafe to win this battle.
I guess tunsil might still start in the drug program
“NFL: “Inaccurate” to say Laremy Tunsil won’t be in substance abuse program”
If anything he might be subjected to regular testing, i doubt they can suspend him games given the event happened previous to him joining the NFL. If they do apply some sore of suspension i promise the NFLPA will get that repealed.
arbitrary rules is what got the NFL into trouble in the Tom Brady case
They should be clear
Saying its “inaccurate to say he won’t be in a substance abuse program” is not exactly clear as day on what will occur.
piggy is busy he has a new gig with Chase. What a way to promote your company and picking up women while behind a piggy mask.
little extra $ in my pocket can’t hurt
women like small dogs, so a small pig would be irresistible and you could get swamped with dates.
The Jets GM is on the radio now and he said they traded a future 4th rd pick to add a tackle a year early (Art Shell’s nephew) banking on their belief they will receive a 4th rd comp pick in 2017.
We probably wind up with a couple 3’rds and a couple of 4th’s/5th’s for Miller, Vernon and Shelby and Matthews. Maybe even a 7th for Sheppard.
We actually didnt do much at all in FA this year, when i was going back to look at it and places we addressed were opposite of place we lost opening us up to those comp picks.
we can probably package those picks from 3rd and 4th round to move up a couple of spots in 3rd round next year.
Didn’t mean for the top part to post!
There is a new poll with the top 2 vote getters for the Fest date so we can narrow down the date.
Please vote if you are serious about attending one of those 2 dates
GDP, i just looked at that “Yournewswire” site and it seems dedicated to conspiracy… im not sure id call that a credible source of news.
Isn’t the picture of Duarte a cool one? I love seeing him track the ball, and actually see the ball coming in. Good job by the photographer.
“Please vote if you are serious about attending one of those 2 dates”
Hoping that includes you……and you did say……lol
Yeah that was a really nice shot.
I voted Stanger
took my grandkids with me food shopping yesterday and they said they wanted to make my almond joys copy cat bars for their mothers sunday. They think we are gonna make them tomorrow becAUSE I’m stupid.
Ingredients
1 14 oz bag sweetened coconut flakes
½ cup powdered sugar 10X
4 Tbls butter, softened
2 Tbls corn syrup-Karo
20-24 almonds (you can use raw, toasted, whatever you have)
16 oz chocolate candy coating (I use Candiquik but supermarket has other brands)
Instructions
Combine coconut, powdered sugar, butter, and corn syrup in mixer bowl. Beat on low speed until thoroughly combined.
Line large baking sheet with wax paper.
Scoop small mounds of the coconut mixture onto the lined baking sheet and form into bars. (Wet your fingers if necessary to keep the mixture from sticking to you.)
Press one almond into the top of each bar.
Refrigerate for 30-60 minutes to allow the bars to harden slightly.
Line another baking sheet with wax paper.
Melt candy coating according to package instructions.
Using a fork, dip the candy bars into the melted chocolate and tap gently to remove excess chocolate.
Place on lined baking sheet to harden.
That sounds tasty but possibly a coma waiting to happen lol.
being a diabetic I’m pretty sure that’s how I’d be. But I do sneak 1 or 2 after all the work.
BTW, no one commented on the nickname i came up with for Grant? …. That guy is ripe for a nickname.
I dont know that he might not be my early new player favorite, the way Grier talked about him really makes me want to see him play.
I also like the one of Grant 3 feet off the ground.
The pic of Grant is pretty cool, you could just feel the energy he’s expending on making that cut, and I’m sure there are at least 2 guys still going the other direction.
He cuts comes to a complete stop and accelerates so fast people often look stupid tracking him down. His highlight reel is really great to watch,
He looks like a skier in that pic, riding his edges. lol
You guys crack me up with speculation today on how Carroo is better than Still, even Landry like…SMH.
Stills & Carroo are both 6’0. Carroo runs a 4.46-4.50 , Stills runs a 4.38-4.41
Regardless, Still had 5 TD’s his rookie season Avg 20 YPC
Stills has 11 TD’s in 3 seasons, & Avg of 17 YPC!
He had a lil bit of a down year in Miami, hell everyone did under Philbin & Lazor!
I’m not saying Carroo is bad. I like him. But to act like Stills isn’t that good or that Carroo is going to leap right past him seems ludicrous at this time.
Carroo is now facing NFL secondaries, which is a long ways from Rutgers football.
You forgot to mention Stills is a PUSS!!!!
most rookies are spoon fed the first year. I think we got 1 starter for sure this year maybe 2 after rookie year. This isn’t that bad.
GDP i dont think either is replacing the other at this point, i think they are both going to spend time in the number 3 spot, 0 chance he replaces Landry becuase Landry isnt going to let that shit happen. Only thing i will say about Stills is he better step up hs game and give it his best effort, because thats how Caroo plays and he is going to have to match that effort to continue to get solid reps as the season continues. I like Stills and expect he plays a lot better this year, and with Caroo i thin he pretty much has no other choice.
We needed a 4th WR and probably wanted a more talented guy than Whalen, and Hazel hasn’t really shown anything.
After running a bunch of routes during a drive, guys need a breather or to get over a stinger etc.
Right, I expect to see Carroo considered the 4th WR, not that it is a bad thing. We need 4 healthy guys that will all see the field, obviously 2-3 will see more than the other 2.
But I had to browse thru a bunch of blah blah blah Carroo this & Stills is a puss that, etc….lol
Let’s let them both get PT, I’m sure Gase will on a week to week matchup basis.
You expect differently than I do. One of us will be right, and I’d bet it’s me. lol
I doubt that.
GDP
I’ll let you make the call on this one then. 67 targets of Stills, 26 catches. Does Tannehill suck, or is it Stills? You decide
Both sucked under Lazor, as did Cameron, etc.
I’ve seen what Stills can do under a competent playcaller in NO.
Besides, that 47 yd TD down the sidelines from Tanny wasn’t too shabby. Under Gas ya should see more of that.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000601933/Dolphins-Ryan-Tannehill-goes-deep-to-Kenny-Stills-for-47-yard-TD
Will Cruz finally gracefully bow out tonite after Indiana?
That face reminds me of that weird scene in Naked Lunch. Go to 2:00.
Gnarly
I can’t wait to hear him challenging Hillary with his personal attacks. He’s very entertaining.
LMAO, yeah it would be personal attacks on poor innocent Hillary…SMH!
did you see where all three major networks showed the Turkey parliament fighting yesterday. You think that is because of the possible republican convention contested nominee.
LOL @ Mike and GD
For the record Stills had 27 on 63 so don’t make it worse. LOL
GDP
Carroo will be very good under Gase, and it’s obvious to me that they really targeted him big time. It’s all speculation right now, we’ll see what happens. I have pretty strong convictions on this, so don’t expect it to stop. lol
I think he will get maybe around 20 receptions for the year because he isn’t going to be the main target and he is a rookie that doesn’t know the NFL tricks veterans know. 20 – 25 receptions isn’t bad for a rookie. How many do you think he is going to get? 67 receptions or double what your boy PUSS caught
Stills as a Saint vs. the Bucs,
Stills as a Saint vs. NE
Caroo is an Alpha player. Stills is like a gamma.
Zeta
Who cares what the puss did as a Saint? Show me what he did in MIA. Rishard kicked ass last year, so did Parker, and so did Landry. Stills had his opportunity, and didn’t step up. This is what happened, we all saw it.
I showed you as a Dolphin in a reply above. 47 yd TD from Tanny down the sidelines, and there was a couple more in the redzone.
Was hard to be effective in Lazor’s offense for anybody!
Stills did step up. Parker was out for a long time. Matthews had a few good games early, then he was out. Yeah Matthews was so awesome the FO said Bye Bye!…smh
I still do not like the Carroo pick they gave up too much and had greater needs to address than WR.
I was asked a question yesterday of how many times have dolphins traded multiple picks for 1 person and that turned out good
And a third and fourth next year? Even if they are compensatory picks we now lost the ability to package picks to maybe move up in the 2nd or 1st or just stay with the picks and get two players I the 3rd and 4th rounds next year.
who says we are gonna get comp picks? What if we don’t…
When teams make deals to move up to get a player they like, they don’t worry about about losing out on the chance to do this or that next year. They made that move because they expect the comp picks to reload those lost picks.
But why not keep the comp picks and select the players or have ammo to move up next year? More attractive to have two 3rd and 4th round picks over a WR we have no great need for.
I will have to agree to disagree on this one. Bad deal IMO.
Because they wanted to do something else. LOL
I’m not saying it was good or bad, but I can’t question it at this time.
We got great value 160_- 220, and Stills is on his last year, so a little insurance for a guy they love, and they had him rated as a 2nd rounder.
Why wait for free beer tomorrow when you can get it now.
but what if they don’t get those comp pics? Do they trade the 1st rounder to get back the 3 and 4 traded away the previous year?
Who knows with the wacky way they drafted…..
what pics do we have next year before comp pics are awarded?
Markeyh, would you have given up those picks for Landry in hindsight? Of course we would. Landry is playing like a top 10 pick.
My point is, until we see what Carooo has to offer on the field, its too soon to say it was a bad trade.
That’s what I said.
We already have Landry and Parker and Stills so I see no need for Carroo no matter what he does and if he was drafted to replace Stills that too could have waited
remember that receiver the Jets traded for right before the trade deadline from Cleveland. I can’t remember his name but he was had for a 3rd and 5th rounders and I beieve he made pro bowl a couple times. Maybe we got a pro bowler?
We need a pro bowl LB more or a young DE more or a OG more IMO.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
Saints’ LT Terron Armstead is signing a 5-year extension that will tie him to New Orleans through 2021, per @JosinaAnderson. A big deal.
The team thinks they will get a 3rd, 4th and 7th in comp picks next year because they likely know the formula that is used (they better). The Jets GM was on the radio earlier today and they did the same thing trading a 4th next year for a pick to draft a tackle this year expecting a 4th comp pick next year.
They likely get 2 3rds and 2 4ths.
They still would have had 3 3rds and 3 4ths had they not gave up picks a year in advance!
“what pics do we have next year before comp pics are awarded?”
our 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th…..we traded our 4th and 5th for an unneeded WR.
what happened to our 3rd?
3rd and 4th that is
one more try 1, 2 5, 6, 7
Well I only mentioned the trade to acquire a WR a position of small need in the 3rd round and giving up 4 picks to get him who at best will be fighting for the #3 or #4 WR spot…so it’s never been about me wanting things my way more than I do not agree that was a good move. And just because they did it does not make it right. This kid better be a hall of fame player to live up to that trade.
They didn’t feel Carroo was unneeded. In fact they absolutely wanted him. Stills is also a UDFA next year followed by Landry in 2018 and Parker in 2019/20.
If we win and have a good season nobody will care how we landed anyone.
You are being that fan who thinks everything they do is correct, I happen to have grown past that and will question what I feel are questionable moves and there is no way to convince me that Carroo was worth what they gave up considering our receiver position and greater needs like LB, DE, OG…to name a few.
I just said earlier I’m not saying it was good or bad, but I can’t question it at this time. You’re coming from a point of view that they should have done everything your way. I don’t think that highly of myself as a talent evaluator. 😉
sb7mvp says:
May 3, 2016 at 3:49 pm
Caroo is an Alpha player. Stills is like a gamma.
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Mike E. says:
May 3, 2016 at 3:54 pm
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wyoming85 says:
May 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
Saints’ LT Terron Armstead is signing a 5-year extension that will tie him to New Orleans through 2021, per @JosinaAnderson. A big deal.
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Will have to say this is a guy that M13 was definitely right on. I liked him but didnt think he was anywhere near as good as M13 did and he apparently was right. Did take him a couple years to develop but he is a damn good player now.
We should get a 3rd for Vernon hands down, likely the first of the ones awarded. We likely get a 3rd for Miller as well. We likely get a 4th for Matthews, and most likely a 4th or 5th for Shelby. We MAY get a 7th from Sheppard. I have looked at the supposed formula and i could easily see us getting those.
Then trade Albert for another pick in 2017 😉
I hope your right because if not this could put a franchise back 5-10 years
Oh please…drafts like 2013 trading up for Dion FF, & the trade up for DT3 in 2011 are what sets franchises back.
Same with Henne & also hiring poor coaches!
A 3rd and 4th round pick can set a franchise back 5-10 years? Nice gap there to, 5 or even 10 years. LOL
We did get players in FA every guy we lost we aren’t getting picks for. I think you’re way off D.
Mike E. says:
May 3, 2016 at 3:38 pm
GDP
Carroo will be very good under Gase, and it’s obvious to me that they really targeted him big time. It’s all speculation right now, we’ll see what happens. I have pretty strong convictions on this, so don’t expect it to stop. lol
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Wow, so if Carroo will be ‘very’ good under Gase, then wouldn’t it stand to reason Stills would too?
That’s my whole point above about Stills numbers being a tad down, same with Tanny, Cameron, & the others.
It was a shit Offense under Lazor & Philbin. They got shown the door not a day too soon…IMO.
Think it comes down to the evaluation of the person. Mike see Stills as weak because he feels he doesn’t fight for catches or try hard enough on his routes. He think Caroo is going to be the anti that… i dotn know that i feel the same way about Stills, but i definitely feel Caroo, if he continues to play like he did in college is the anti that. Still will have a pup snappin at his heels at the very least.
Mike is too into stats he doesn’t seem to have an eye test.
WR is going to be a competitive group, the way it should be.
At the expense of other needed positions IMO…
I find the Carroo vs. Stills debate funny. I hope they both play well. 🙂
That’s been my point exactly….but I guess some guys get bored and want to fill up the blog with ramblings that don’t make much sense at this juncture, wouldn’t be prudent….lol
I think what they’re saying is not everyone is gonna be a probowler at WR and we could use more probowlers in other areas. I say so what? If tanny goes to the probowl with these receivers it means we’ve had a pretty good season and that’s all I care about.
D,
Great write up. I don’t study the draft at all so no criticism from me on the specific players. However, I definitely agree with your criticism of Tbomb’s pattern of giving away a lot of pick value to move around and get players via draft or trade. The margin for error is significantly smaller. If the early picks turn out to be great players Tbomb looks like a genius. Otherwise, we’d better hope that the 6/7 rounders exceed usual expectations.
From a selfish standpoint, I hated that we traded up to get a RB in the third round when we probably could have gotten him in the fourth or gotten Booker there who I really liked.
Seems like a good draft though. We potentially filled a bunch of holes. Depth is and will likely continue to be problem.
We didn’t trade up for the RB Drake, we traded back into the 3rd for WR Carroo.
I don’t see depth being a problem….they’ve addressed it with as many positions as they can in one offseason.
Remember, we also have some more FA that will be signed between now and through TC.
You really don’t keep signing guys up until camp, sure it happens, but most teams don’t get more than fodder from here on out. I keep hearing by you guys all these players were still going to sign.
I would rather have tanny in the probowl more than any other player on this team. If he’s in the probowl it means we’re probably playing in the playoffs. So getting recievers and oline help to do that is fine by me. Lets see how it plays out.
The other boneheaded move was in the 2nd when they gave up a 4th round pick to move up 4 spots for a CB that would have been there at 42. The next CB drafted after us was at 54 so they misjudged that and gave up a 4th.
that I agree with. I don’t think they needed to do that. But I guess they really wanted howard. It their mind they had to make the trade to get him. I just hate trading with ozzie.
The other questionable move was to trade with the Patriots….why?
What’s your problem with that deal? My guess is the prospects in the 5th rd had the same grades in the 6th and 7th so we traded the 5th for two 6ths and a 7th.
Never trade with the enemy…
That’s probably true though we don’t know if they knew that some other team was targeting him. If Howard is a quality starter nobody will care.
I’ve heard after the fact that the Bears were rumored to want Howard.
That could be true I guess but the bears didn’t take a CB until the 4th round.
Not after they missed on Howard if he was their guy. They stuck to their board after that like we supposedly were.
GDP
I tell you a guy played like a puss last year, and you show me one play to defend that. I could show you a whole highlight reel of plays he couldn’t make if they were available. If you can be honest with yourself for just a minute, think about the opportunity he had here, Our 1st RD draft pick (Parker) was injured, and all he had to do was play better than a guy who had very few bright spots and was a former 7th RD pick (Matthews) He couldn’t step up to the plate, and then really couldn’t step up as a complimentary player once Matthews passed him on the depth chart, and then couldn’t keep Parker off either. He had the chance to be the guy, he couldn’t take advantage of it. You can talk about what he did in NO, and that’s fine, but I’d prefer to look at what he did here, with our QB, as a gauge, which is much more accurate
WOW, Mike….I didn’t say he was a stud. Remember I kept harping about the offense as a whole under Lazor & they way Philbin ran the team. But you seem to want to single out Stills.
Yeah Stills is why the Phins didn’t win more games or score over 24pts a game.
I’m singling Stills out because he was the worst. Matthews, Landry and Parker all played well, so why not Stills, who was there all season?
My prayers for the best head coach in NFL history Too Me Don Shula
Damn, is he in bad health again?
Statement from Mary Anne Shula: “Coach Shula has been admitted to the hospital due to fluid retention and sleep apnea. The family is looking for a speedy recovery.”