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Game Day. It’s about damn time! To make matters worse, the football scheduling gods have determined that we have to wait an additional 3 hours 5 minutes to begin the season. I don’t know about anyone else but I think this offseason has been the longest by far. We have a new coaching staff, some new players, and a brand new season that’s going to go by way too fast. Hopefully we are enjoying every minute of it.
LETS GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
You “but a loss is a loss guys…who cares if it was by two in Seattle” won’t like it, but my main worry this season coming in was how we went O crazy in the draft, when I thought we should go D.
After yesterday have serious concerns with the O…..but also thinking greater minds than mine got the draft strategy right.
First Update
DOLPHINS-PATRIOTS
BriNY 27-21 MIA
Piggy24-14 MIA
GO PHINS!!!
I’m not just talking about stats. I mentioned game situations too. I’m not gonna get all crazy about every detail of the game. We lost a close one. Move on!
Onto NE. Not gonna be an easy game.
We are going to kill them!
(Piggy bites on a piece of raw meat)
I believe RGIII will miss 6-8 weeks with a broken bone, shoulder I think.
Ross: I support our players rights … Yada yada
Thinking to himself :
Not resigning him
Not resigning him
Not resigning him
Not resigning him
Stand the fuck up
I keep hearing that we don’t want to offend vets but we still want to protest but the very action is offensive it just is and you don’t get to decide that.
The flag, national anthem or pledge of allegiance does not stand for oppression. That’s my issue. That’s not the enemy. The law of the land is not the problem, behavior is.
I will say this
my major issue with it – and I frankly don’t have a big issue \
its that it misses the mark for similar reasons as to what you said
You don’t want to communicate that these symbols stand for oppression
You want to say that racism is un-American
you don’t want it to be America v tolerance
you want to characterize the fight as America v intolerance
Even if its not true a lot of the time
You get to decide what your intent is
You don’t get to decide whether some one else is offended
I agree with your point though. You have to be sensitive to what some one might be offended by.
I think the accurate way for it to be phrased is “We did not intend to offend ______. And we thought it was more important to make our point then to be sensitive to that.”
but I’m a cynic
I think you make choices
You can decide intent but be prepared to face the consequences of not so well thought out action.
Too bad Tannehill can’t make that throw
The protests aren’t on the behalf of old white men so I can see why it makes them uncomfortable.
I don’t care if the idiot protests but his punk ass should stand for the anthem out of simple respect for all the blood shed. This isn’t that difficult.
And don’t judge my plight I’ve seen and been through a lot of shit too. Life’s a bitch I’m old enough to know that.
What is the % of black men and white police being involved in violent conflict among the population?
What is the % of black men and other black men being involved in violent conflict among the population?
More black cops is not the answer and people have suggested this. Stop the violent culture but too many are afraid to address it due to opening too many cans of worms.
I know people get all whoa, is this racist? No it’s not. I know many black folks who are well aware of why it’s not okay to go into certain neighborhoods especially if you’re white.
If we as a country have done anything wrong, it is to continue to allow too many minorities to live a life of poverty, and also other poor people who could be white to continue a life of poverty.
Instead of wasting money on political campaigns and nonsense, how about help people prosper?
I don’t get this argument
It doesn’t matter that there is black on black crime
There is real issues with the way we police the inner city, irrespective of those stats
People should not belittle movements like Black lives matters
It’s a serious thing
But it’s been the habit to redirect the argument to soemthing else everytime the issue comes up
So it’s come to to this boiling point
There are s many people out there saying “it doesn’t matter” that it’s starting to appear like a reflection of what America is
And now we have people publicly saying that
Piggy, I’m being real. It’s an issue and it’s not because black folks can’t be anything they want to be because they do all the time. There is an unfair % who were put into poverty due to gov’t programs and it created a culture that did not exist years before.
We have to correct some wrongs with sensible solutions and more opportunity is the answer. That also helps society.
Brown pushes off constantly.
I thought that the statistics were pretty clear that blacks are not killed by law enforcement at a greater rate than anybody else. How can you protest something that isn’t actually real?
I’m not sure where you heard that stat
But is suspect is a part of the misinformation that’s out there
Blacks makes between 15-35 are 9 times more likely to be killed by police than any other group
15% of the people killed by police in America are in that small (black males between 15-35) even though it’s 2% of the population
It’s overwhelming real
I guess you can say my stats are misinformation but I tend to beleive them
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_577da633e4b0c590f7e7fb17
I don’t known if he has anything left
But I think he is worth a look
Piggy, just a reminder, I did say: “If we as a country have done anything wrong, it is to continue to allow too many minorities to live a life of poverty, and also other poor people who could be white to continue a life of poverty.”
I’m acknowledging it! I think many of us are civil rights types. Not sure protests have the impact people think they have though. The laws are in place for all.
I know
I’m not suggesting you are not being reasonable
I just disagree with some of your points
The protests are people at their boiling point
It’s come to this
Every time an incident happens there is a campaign to smear the deceased person, irrelevant stats introduced and people get defensive instead of listening and working for change
I think “white lives matter” in response to “black lives matter” is the low point in human debate
It’s classic misdirection. There is a real problem and people want it addressed. But people are eager to say it’s not really a problem
I really think that is the big reason we are where we are now
I guess when I think all lives matter, peeps just don’t know what I’m down with. The word all means everyone. I’m for uniting, not dividing. I’m a lover not a fighter. LOL
Bombs are not the key to changing culture either.
Tim
It’s not related to the issue
I don’t get that point of view
I don’t dispute the facts – I just say – why does that mean we don’t pay attention to the subject of these protests
It’s just a red herring IMO
You are avoiding the problem by saying “here’s another problem”
The real problem is not about standing for the national anthem. It’s about what is going on in Chicago and many other inner cities across the country. Don’t want to go there, okay, that’s why it continues.
I don’t think Chicago has anything to do with a unarmed black man being shot in Minnesota, lousiana or wherever
Yeah it’s an example of a larger problem. We have pockets of communities that are terrorized by a violent minority and we allow it to continue in 2016. Really sad while continuing to foster our own problems.
Sorry I’m late to getting back to this. I was out of town Labor Day weekend when the roster cuts were done and I need to get the prize thing worked out. Last I heard it was Son. Is that correct?
No upon further review I had 5 wrong I think a couple guys only missed 4
Tough night for Cousins
Piggy,
I have read some pretty thorough evaluations of the stats. The “9 times” thing is not accurate given all factors, but it sounds frightening. More Whites are killed than blacks by far. But, because blacks are a much smaller percentage of the overall population, those numbers need to be quantified. But, blacks are involved in violent crimes at a much higher rate as well. And, crime and killings are often concentrated in certain areas…typically areas dominated by blacks. Why would cops not be hyper vigilante and possibly over react in these high risk areas? There’s definitely problems with law enforcement. I’m not even a fan of cops….I’ve known too many. Lol
***
I just think the question should be: “Why are cops killing so many people?” Not just black people.
I posted my source for the stats
It’s a notable pinko source….lol
But I think it hits close to the mark, I don’t vouch for the exact numbers. But what you is just hard to beleive
If you want to remove race from it, be my guest
But I don’t think that is being unrealistic
I know there are probably economic and environmental factors
But those factors overwhelmingly correlate with race
I can tell you I don’t think cops are the problem
I think the positions we put them in are
I think we patrol inner cities in a manner consistent with the war against drugs and that’s going to lead to comfrontations
We would probably be better offer changing some fundamental things we hAve done for decades
I don’t like cameras on police – I think that’s an invasion of policy
But I think when things happen with local police, you need the Feds to act like watch dogs so that they don’t get preferential treatment
There – problem solved
Herd,
I won. Trust me…have I ever lied to you before?
Seriously, can someone tell me who won?
It wasn’t me
Sorry herd. I assume you knew I don’t even play. I have no idea who won.
I haven’t even looked at the spreadsheet. I’d like to keep it that way. I don’t really have anything to do with this contest except arranging the prize.
I picked Franks 53 times so I know I lost
I have no idea, herd. Sorry.
Piggy,
I think part of the problem is that this isn’t just one problem. It’s many issues coming to a point in one. I do think there is a problem with how some police behave or act. They’re human. Some are gonna be assholes. It’s just the way it is. It’s hard to articulate how to solve something when you really don’t even know what all the factors truly are.
***
I would just say that “We” don’t put cops in these positions….criminals do. Unfortunately, with volatile incidents involving guns becoming more and more frequent, people will be killed….and many are…of all colors.
I didn’t want t draft him
But I like the way Carlos Hyde runs
Piggy there is racial profiling by police, but it’s not specific to white cops to black citizens. It’s black cops to black citizens. It’s white cops to white citizens. It’s black cops to white citizens.
I have myself been profiled by a white cops. Detained for an hour and a half for what he said was a traffic stop because I had a dirty tag he couldn’t read. OK yeah right, and I suppose the other hour and 25 minutes were necessary to get a good look. He literally put me in his co car and indicated me about where I was coming from what I had been doing where I was going to. Over and over sane questions asked different ways. He told me he suspected me for trafficking drugs and threatened to have my car torn down to pieces unless I just told him where the drugs were. Another time I had to white cops pin my car in from both sides while they brought a dog out and with it barking and growling at me searched my car because I dare run a red light.
This shit happens because we have an issue with not caring who we let be cops. This has been turned into racial issues because they are only showing the issues that are extreme and between white cops and black citizens. It’s better media. It’s better for politics.
Interrogated not indicated
I don’t think you are wrong
I think you are undermining the racial component to it
Also
You should have his in the hidden cargo space in the millennium falcon
That always works
In case you don’t remember where it is
Who won the roster challenge? So many were off by 2-3 players.
Piggy, inherently white lives matter isn’t any less insensitive than black lives matter. They are both highly insensitive to the fact that ALL LIVES MATTER. How the fuck is that hard to say and wrong to say.
No!
Completely disagree
Black lives matter never said any other lives don’t matter
Black lives matter is about the concern of the risk that people feel minorities are more subject to from police
All lives and white lives are reactions to that and intended to marginalize the topic
The counter argument to black lives matter is black lives don’t matter
No all lives or white lives – no one ever say they don’t matter
People just got defensive about black lives matter bc it didn’t include them
Btw same cop stopped me driving back from new Orleans a second time and though he didn’t remember doing it to me before, pretty much pulled the same shit he did before. Both time I was terrified because the way he acted told me he was one of those types. I got nervous going through that part of I10 for a long ass time after that.
Hyde is a real flash back to old school runners.
Gase loves him some Tanny
That’s what I was saying. Have had three quarters of setup plays.
Gase….fucking phone auto corrects his name every time it’s like it’s not learning even after the hundredth time typing it
Chris Berman sucks calling a game
I feel like I’m disturbing him during dinner and he put down his cheeseburger to call a play
LMAO!!! Ketchup on his lip and all.
It’s like he doesn’t care and is mid chicken wing
What a jerk
Piggy, black lives matter booed a Democrat candidate of the stage because he said all lives matter. You need to take a closer look at that group and what they have turned into. When they first came abouts I would probably agree with you. That’s not where they are currently
Bc “all lives matter” is an attempt to marginalize the BLM slogan
No one is saying other Lives don’t matter
They are saying it’s not okay to treat black lives like they don’t
No it’s not. It’s not meant to marginalize, the dem candidate said black lives matter, white lives natter, all lives matter and he wasn’t trying to marginalize them he was addressing them at a ralky where they were part of his constitutes
Also completely disagree with your take on having opposition to black lives matter. I don’t care about the statement I care that they are intolerant when a person poses all lives matter as a counterpoint. Lots of black people are opposed to the statement as well. Several sports celebs have spoken out against it
I opposed to it
Who said they don’t matter?
The point is that black lives matter – not that others don’t
They did dude. As soon as he said it they yelled out NOOOO….
Piggy ALL includes black lives too. What part of all is excluding, and what part of ALL doesnt reflect unity against a common issue. Do you believe officer involved killings are exclusively against blacks?
Piggy some may use it to marginalize, a lot do not.
D
If some one said “save the whales” would
You say “save all ocean life”
Don’t you think that downplays the importance of whales being endangered?
No I don’t, there are other groups save the dolphins, save seals, etc and I don’t think they lessen save the whales at all.
Not as a retort to “save the whales”
If you say “save all animals” in response to save the whales it means you don’t digest the gravity of why the Whales are endangered
OK so when it’s not said as a retort, as with the Democrat speech, it should be taken wrong, correct?
Shouldn’t
It designed as a retort D
That’s the only reason it exists
That’s the design of the phrase
He wasn’t debating their right to say black lives matter. He was addressing them. He started out acknowledging them and then said black lives natter, white lives natter, all lives matter. To be a retort he would have to be using the statement to counter theirs and he was not doing that
That was wrong to do IMO
And it’s not bc all lives don’t matter
It’s bc it lessens the value of BLM
BLM means soemthing specific to people
And it’s the beleove that this problem affects young black males disproportionally
so including everyone waters that down
And this is less likely to be resolved
We will remain in disagreement Piggy. I have seen too much from that group not to see them as a racist group. The original intent and approach of that group was awareness. It has not remained that way. When speeches of white manifest destiny starts spouting out at rallies, things aren’t about awareness to the police brutality issues. It has moved on and I’m an absolute opposer of that hind of hatred on either side if the racial coin.
I will give you another example
If I told you elderly people were subject to scam artists calling them on the phone and asking them for money (which of course is true)
And I said we need to stop people targeting elderly people like that
And you said we need to protect everyone from that
You would be right of course, there is no reason it should happen to everyone
But you just completely watered down the purpose
And soemthing would be less likely to be done
It’s just not right to do that when some one is trying to tell you there a problem
Not everyone has to be included in every problem
Some problems affect some people more Than others
It’s not a race to be more oppressed…lol
Yeah but I’m not going to scream NOOOO and boo you for saying we need to protect all people from scans after acknowledging to me you agree with my statement of elderly need to be protected
If I did you woukd feel like I only care about the elderly wouldn’t you
You should!
I just fucked up your chance to get your grandparents protected
I just changed the problem so that everyone can feel included
Have you at all been keeping up with this group Piggy? Or are you basing it off the original group?
Again we are at a deadlock I know where I’m coming from and I know it’s not to belittle the issue of black lives natter but I know what I see and I know it’s not a unifying voice coming from that group. I’ll never support it for that one reason
Large groups are never a single opinion
I’m sure there are good and bad seeds
Piggy you didn’t do anything to stop me from getting my grandparents protected. You got more people on my side to help fix the problem for everyone
Let me ask you this, if cops never kill another black person but they continue to kill Hispanics and Whites and Asians, etc. Have you accomplished the goal, or is the goal to have cops stop killing all people?
Also I’ll go back to my question to you….. Do you feel this is a black only issue, or even disproportionately towards blacks?
in theory you believe that
It’s a reasonable belief
In practice,
You have to identify the problem to address it
He problem is some asshole called an old lady and convinced her to give him his SS#
If that happened to you, you would google the number, and be like WTF con artist
So you don’t need that protection
You know how to tell some one to go fuck themselves
But if you know an elderly person who does doesn’t have Internet access – you can try to educate them about the scam, give seminars at nursing homes, go to areas where they are likely to live – instead of going everywhere and educating everyone so that no one feels left out – which you will never have time or money to do
It’s very bad to water down a problem
I feel like its disproportionate for blacks D
I feel like that aspect needs our extra concern
I don’t think other groups are more likely to be harmed by addressing it that way
I don’t think there is any evidence of that
I think the perception is special treatment – which it’s not IMO
If A police office kills another race I don’t think it’s bc we took BLM seriously
I think it’s unrelated
And I also think that a lot of civil rights litigation aimed at addressing issues blacks were dealing with – helped us all
Catch up later D
I gotta go to bed
Don’t fly your imperial trooper through any check points tonight 😜
I get it. The whole black lives matter getting watered down by saying all lives matter is like when I complain about Tannehill and everyone screams “the OL sucks”. It’s suddenly so clear to me. What Piggy is saying is that we should all focus on Tannehill sucking and not be distracted from the real issue by pointing out other issues on the team. I’ve had an epiphany. Thanks piggy!
Piggy we are probably arguing different points I see what you are saying and yes as a retort or used as a tool to diminish the argument it’s not right. I’m not arguing that point I’m arguing the point of why there is opposition to equality and why it has to be all o e way or the other and the loss of unity when you single one group out over another. We are both right in our own respects I just was trying to get you to see my side. I get yours and agree. I just don’t say all lives matter to do that I say it because I care about any lives taken unjustly and I see this as a bigger problem than just a black white tjing
I agree that BLM should be pushed but I really hate that other serious issues in poor communities really aren’t. 72% of black children are in single parent homes. 50% of black people don’t marry. Poverty, drugs, unemployment, etc are all concentrated in select areas and have been for decades. People talk about racist southerners but the worst cities are northern Democratic strongholds where nothing significant has changed since LBJ.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/
Where is the outrage? Where is the change? Where is the responsibility? I don’t think BLM is a red herring but…it gets a disproportionate amount of press because it flames tension and sells news. I also endorse cameras on police while on duty. If you are doing paperwork in the office, taking a piss, or just want to talk shit about your supervisor, turn it off. But if you are going into a situation of any kind…have that thing turned on. This protects both sides and gives the race baiters…one less reason to change the subject.
Morning Update
DOLPHINS-PATRIOTS
BriNY 27-21 MIA
Piggy24-14 MIA
Howie 24-8 NE*
GO PHINS!!!
herd,
I had 4 wrong but I picked urlick twice (even though he didn’t make the team). So I was disqualified ;-(
I think the winner is between Rock and Son because they each missed 5. Since Son was the closest to the phins score in 3rd preseason game (tie breaker) I think the winner should be SON.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HYb9B1KHDXFHIfyAkIX-vaqSl8uCF7Zu7xsGsGspBpc/edit#gid=0
There’s a new blog up Boulder