from Piggy
Q – So our leading rusher through 3 games is our QB. That’s not good. But do you think the RB rotation is also affecting those numbers? Seems to me that no one is going to get 15+ carries this year.
Oinks
Pigsgerald
There’s no question that the RB rotation has a huge effect on those stats, but so did Gase’s decision to leave a healthy Jay Ajayi home the first week of the season. I think he’s giving all these guys a shot, and why not do it early on? It’s so hard to really gauge what they can do in practice and in the pre season, especially with fewer practices, and the fact that so many of our RB’s weren’t healthy before the season, and we didn’t have Foster, who of course went down himself after game 1.
I don’t have any problem at all how he’s handling the RB’s so far, and I think once he finds the 2 or 3 guys he’s comfortable with, we’ll be seeing lots more of those guys and not much of the others. I do think once he arrives at that decision, which may still be 2-3 games out, whoever those 2 main guys are will see at least 15 carries, or at least one of them will.
My guess is if Foster can’t stay or get healthy, Drake and Ajayi will be the 2 main guys and Pead will be the next guy up. Of course, those 3 guys have to stay healthy in their own right.
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from OD
Q -Now that you’ve seen 3 games, what’s your updated prediction for Miami’s won-lost record this season? Thank you, again, for all you do for this site.–OD
Call me crazy, and I know you will OD, I’m sticking with my 10-6. We will get things straight, we will improve, and we will play better as a result. Gase, as opposed to the udder guys will not settle for less, and will find the players that will get it done. Most likely, it will be most of the players that are starting right now, but putting them on notice is an intelligent way to let them know they’re accountable for their play, and poor play will not be tolerated.
While watching them struggle against the Browns was as enjoyable as peeling off my eyelids, pouring kosher salt in my eyes, and then staring at the sun for 3 hours straight, I still believe we can be winners. I think Tannehill is going to have a big year, and not just be a stat padder. I think he’s going to help us win games this season, and I think 9 more wins are coming.
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from drg
Q -Mike,
Sorry it’s not email, but here’s my question:
Give us a good 3 year plan to build a perennial playoff team from what Miami has right now.
One thing for sure is we have to stick with a Head Coach, and give him a chance. I can’t be 100% positive, but I think Adam Gase is the right guy. We need to give him an opportunity to continue with his vision, and allow things to come together. That’s easier said than done, but we can’t continue to purge both the coaching staff and the roster every 2-3 years, it’s like treading water, you spend lots of energy, but you don’t get anywhere.
The next thing we need to do is improve the roster on the defensive side of the ball. We need more talent at CB, find a partner for Xavien Howard to make a solid young CB tandem. We need talent at LB, sure tacklers, smart players that put themselves in the right position to make plays, and ones that can actually make the tackle when they’re there. I think we can upgrade all 3 spots at LB, but that’s hard to do in one draft, but we might be able to find 1 or 2 in the draft.
The next thing I think we should do is think long term, maybe 3 years down the line. Stop trying to find the one player that will put us over the top, because that doesn’t happen in football. We’re far away from just needing one way, I’d rather have 4 talented players than 1 great player. Let’s draft that player, but stop overspending for that player in FA. That’s where I think we’ve gone wrong year after year, always making that one big splash, but as you can see, that hasn’t paid dividends here. Oh, and can we finally draft a really good TE!!!! That’s more than 3, but I had to throw it in there.
Gase is in his place
Draft better, especially on defense
No excessive spending in FA, more specifically, on one player
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from Stanger
Q – What are the three best units on this team?
And when I ask that thinking LBs, DEs, DTs, Safeties, Corners, OL (but you can break up), WRs, RBs, TEs, QBs and kickers are units.
stanger
I think right now our safeties, WR’s and DT’s, although the depth is definitely best at WR, with Parker, Landry, Stills, Carroo and Grant. Can’t remember where we’ve had this much talent, and YOUNG talent. Carroo is the youngest at 22, and Stills the oldest at 24. This unit will hopefully grow into something like what the Packers had years ago, when Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and James Jones. It would be nice if Ryan Tannehill also became Aaron Rodgers too, but we can dream, right? I think our ST’s unit is also great, with the exception of K Andrew Franks. He’s not bad necessarily, but I think Darr looks much better than average, and I think Landry and Grant can be the best in the business.
Love the duo of Jones and Abdul-Quddus, Isa has impressed me, and Jones has been for years now. We have to keep these guys together for a while too, so we can get some consistency back there. Draft another stud CB, and we can have a shot at becoming one of the better secondaries in the NFL.
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from David
Q – my Question to You is,
How can We stop the run? and When?
We get gashed by RB, over and over and over, even when we KNOW the other team is going to run. I feel like We cant turn the corner until we can stop the run.
Thanks, David
Unfortunately, the answer isn’t good. I would say 2017, when we start drafting some LB’s, and maybe pick another one up in FA. I think we have the pieces on the D-line to be stout against the run, but DT’s and DE’s don’t usually make the tackles, it’s the other 3 guys of the front 7 that have clean it up, and between Alonso, Misi and Jenkins, they just aren’t getting it done, and are definitely not making the tackles in their gap assignments, rather 5-10 yards down field. That’s just not doing your job correctly, and sometimes when they’re in the right gap, they just aren’t wrapping up. I don’t expect a lot of improvement this year, but it’s possible. Jenkins can’t seem to stay healthy, and Misi either, but maybe 2 other guys step up and start getting it done. Not likely though.
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And now for the babe of the week . . .
Finsmob Unleashed 
Even the announcers are saying we have no motivation on offense to win
It was a good day today
Until dolphins
Quit ruining my team – you suck
just saw on that replay Tanny closes his eyes when he throws
He sucks
Lol
Well that was a game. 😕💩
Night people.
son of a son of a shula says:
September 29, 2016 at 11:12 pm (Edit)
He’s no Chad
That’s for sure
Nope. You always had a chance to pull out a win with him. And sometimes, a lot of times, you got it. I’d take a player like him over this any day.
When is our bye week?
Weeks 1, 2, and 4
Positives: Jones, Darr, 2nd play on offense
KONG; OUR biggest positive this year has been the Cleveland place kicker.
Lol
Let’s get 7 people and a Marino doll and go protest outside the stadium. (lol)
I’m this close…
TWO YEARS OF MIKE TANNENBAUM are two too many!! – – He spends hundreds of millions of Ross’s money and turns an 8-8 team into a 6-10 team last season. This season LOOKS TO BE WORSE!! Before the season started, Pro Football Focus predicted that Miami would have the worst team in the AFC this season. Sadly, it looks like their prediction may come true. Well, at least we’ll have a very high draft pick from which we can choose our next candidate to be our starting quarterback. But if T-Baum and Ross are calling the shots, next year’s top pick will also be a bust! I wonder if a good coach like GASE is regretting his decision to work for the “DOOFUS BRIGADE?”
It’s not Tannenbaum its Tannehill
That’s our problem
Tanneloss
I thought Tunsil looked pretty good at LT. Still had an OK game, Landry, of course Jones, date even though any time I feel I’m congratulating a kicker it means the game suckef lol
Darr not date
NOTE TO YOUNG STANGER: BRING an extra supply of beer for the Fest Buffalo game. We’re gonna need it!!
Herd , I think it’s 10/30 the week after the fest
I give up. Nothing ever changes. Maybe it will in time but this team wears me out. I gotta find something else to do. LOL
Stop the denial we need a good QB
A gamer
A winner
Someone who knows the divisions
Someone who isn’t la de fucking da all the time
Son, please… we’re not good anywhere. This TEAM is not good. You can put Drew Brees on this team and we still lose like he’s doing in Awlins. We’re not a good team.
HERD ASKS “When is our bye week?”
ANSWER: It was this week.
PREDICTION: MATT MOORE will be Miami’s starting QB in their next game.
Is he playing on the DL or OL?
Couldn’t be any worse. Tannehill is terrible. Doesn’t belong as a a NFL starter.
Neither does every other unit then. Go back and watch the game. Son, be realistic.
There’s no way Jarvis will re up with this shit. He’s on a contract year next year.
Oh so his big plays this year don’t count when he’s not the guy and we don’t win? Seriously, are you blaming this game solely on Tannehill? What fucking game did you watch? We lost in every phase. Our defense and OL sucks by the way. Did Tannehill defend A.J. Green too?
That said, Tannehill can play better but really guys… this team isn’t there yet. Please, get a clue!!! LOL
Rookie starting QB’s this year are 11-2
I thankfully couldn’t watch but I listened on Cincy radio. Let’s just say the hitting the K play ended my agony. Tannehill sounded absolutely awful as did our RT and our CBs. Was it as bad to watch as to hear? Tannehill has one more year and then hopefully we get a QB who doesn’t fold under pressure after one 2 play drive. Could use some solid drafted players too. Poor Gase.
Tim Knight says:
September 29, 2016 at 11:43 pm (Edit)
Son, please… we’re not good anywhere. This TEAM is not good. You can put Drew Brees on this team and we still lose like he’s doing in Awlins. We’re not a good team.
I agree. But the D is at least doing better IMO. Only one TD. And then a handful of field goals. They were out there way too long. That’s because we couldn’t do anything but turn it over. 3 and out or a TO. I didn’t see it all but that’s the parts I saw.
We gave up 22 in 38 minutes if our O can run any clock and score the 24 we know we need to win then we’re good. Can’t win going 3 and out constantly.
Horrible pass for an easy third down conversion
Putting the ball on the ground on a routine sack
Throwing a terrible pick late 4th qtr
Missed throw here
Missed throw there
Tannehill- 13 of 23 for 108 yards in 54 minutes of play. A 3rd string QB could have had those numbers tonight. 13 rushes for 62 yards isn’t awful. Our RBs did ok most of the game until it came time for Tannehill to convert a pass. We only had 8 converted 3rd downs because the guy is honestly a shitty QB. Maybe we can convert him back to our 5th WR?
He didn’t get it done. He needs a perfect pocket and plenty of time to work his progressions after 5 years. Guy just isn’t good enough against top teams. Time to start looking at the draft.
Yup
We’re gonna lose Jarvis holding on to this turd
olddolphan says:
September 29, 2016 at 11:33 pm
KONG; OUR biggest positive this year has been the Cleveland place kicker.
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LOL! true
LOL.. if our O could do something. Our defense gives it up every time as well. We’re not a good team. The OL is decimated and still can’t block a play. Geez guys, seriously!!!!
Again, put Drew Brees on this team and we still lose. He will also have no time to make the throws needed to win the game. WTF are you guys watching!!!!?
I know what I saw.
Horrible QB play that continues to demoralize an entire team.
And nothing else? So just replace him and it’s all good?
Could be with less squandered opportunities
when your qb can’t even complete a five yd pass; yes
wentz completes that pass to grey. it’s on the money and out quicker to boot.
Anyone know who the starting OL was tonight?
Tunsil Turner Urbick Bushrod James
Were they good or bad?
for the most part they did well. when you get to a point in the game where the D knows you’re going to be passing a lot to try and score quickly the D is going to be able to T off against you. That’s not on the o line. if they aren’t going max protect to help the line in those situations that’s on the coaches.
Tannehill isn’t the only one that needs to go but after 5 years, we all know what we have. Average at best and at worst…he loses games. I think we need better drafts. OL drafted high…and they either suck or are always injured. Awful LBs, drafted awful CBs over the years. Two great safeties, decent DL but no real pass rush. Underachieving WRs and TEs. Just not a lot is good but the QB tops the chart. Guy just can’t lead the team to a win no matter what. Defense was solid tonight.
Who was the starting OL tonight? Were they good?
Why can’t we as fans discuss any other areas of the team without it being about Tannehill? Go ahead put anyone else in there at QB you’d like. That doesn’t improve the rest of the team. LOL
WTF!
This isnt PEE-WEE football.
Ajayi is our best RB but can only get 6 carries, Gotta give everyone a chance to play. Same shit on kick and punt returns.
Another good one; You didnt do your homework so youre benched this week.
Dont think we’ll be seeing Fede and whoever that was that almost took the ball out of the endzone next week
It’s going to be another long season my friends.
Hell, bench the whole Damned team.
Landry, Reeshad, and Ajayi can play but Ajayi will have a Tantrum during practice so it will be 2 on 22
Well I think we finally have done it!
This is what a rebuilding year looks like!
If you don’t / can’t play sit down!!!!!!!!!
Gase doesn’t act like someone who will stop at the QB position when he gets to it either!!!
Seriously Tim, give it a break already. We’ve been watching this needle dick qb of ours for over five seasons now and you’re still going to go down that same road.
Enough is enough. The strip fumble last week was on him. The strip fumble last night was on him. You look at what Dalton did last night when faced with the same type of pressure, he moves up in the pocket and slides to his right. Last week Wentz had the same pressure on his right Tannehill did and he didn’t stand there with the ball dangling in his right hand waiting for it to get knocked out; he moved to his left with TWO hands on the ball and threw a perfect strike on the run to a receiver who had decent coverage on him.
Tannehill needs to learn to protect the ball better and that’s it. Those fumbles are on him. Not on the o-line. On him.
The offensive line, despite having a rookie LT and a 3rd string C held up pretty good last night and we ran the ball pretty well for the most part. Tannehill needs to make some plays when he’s got the ball in his hand and couldn’t do it.
The defense was gashed by Green but they kept us in the game right into the fourth qtr. Even with the Tannehill fumble the best the Bengals could do was get a FG.
So, talk all you want about the OTHER areas of the team but this douchebag qb is not going to win games for this team. He’s a done deal as far as I’m concerned.
I was going to stay away until the end of the season but I came back to say that as long as that shithead is the qb of the team I’m not going to watch another game the remainder of the season. I said it over four years ago that it was going to be a HUGE mistake drafting that dick and I’m still waiting to be proven incorrect.
I doubt he’s here next season.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 6h
6 hours ago
Ryan Tannehill on Dolphins offense: “One of the worst performances I’ve seen.”
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seriously? when is this idiot going to step up and take responsibility for the offense and say, “I need to do a better job”. “I need to do a better job of moving away from pressure, recognizing pressure, protecting the football, reading defenses”.
True Lou it is on Tannehill. It’s not the “whole” offense it’s the QB. He’s horrible.
It’s ok he’ll be in a battle with RGMcNutjaw in Cleveland for a job next year.
Interesting question posed by PFT: “are the Dolphins playing for now or evaluating players for the future?”
Personally, I think it’s the latter and I wouldn’t disagree with it if they were. I couldn’t care if they are losing games for the purpose of finding out what they’ve got in order to finally get it right and make the proper evaluations of who stays and who goes.
So, if that’s the case, I’m all for it. Find out who wants to stay and who wants to go and show those other guys the door.
In addition, I’m all for trading Pouncey because I feel that if Gase wants to change the culture he’s one of the guys who needs to go. Pouncey may be considered an elite C around the league but he’s a pimple on the ass of the team. So, deal him to someone for a 1st rd pick and get someone who is YOUR guy and go from there.
We need DE’s and LB’s in the next draft and that should be our top priority. I think Steen was a huge find and will be more than adequate at C and enable the team to move on from Pouncey and turn him into a high draft pick that will enable the team to start building for the future.
even the guys doing the halftime said the same thing about tannehill last night. yeah, he’s on his 3rd offense in five yrs but he’s a fifth year qb and, with that, you expect a certain “maturation process” to occur with your qb over that period of time and you expect him to start performing better.
there is NO maturation process here.
This was supposed to be the year. This was the year he was going prove everyone wrong with a REAL offensive scheme and real plays that allowed him to use his ability. This was to be the year where he proved everyone wrong because Gase was going to cut him loose and take off the shackles and allow him to make changes at the line of scrimmage as needed so he could check out of those failed run plays if he needed to.
Yet, he’s still throwing the ball behind his receivers, he’s still throwing the ball short of the first down marker, he still has not pocket presence and won’t move around in the pocket to buy time when needed.
No. This is the season when everyone finds out what we’ve really got as a qb and get’s ready to move on from this train wreck.
Here’s a question you really need to answer honestly. Did this team need Ryan Tannehill to go 6-10 last season? Does anyone really think that this team wouldn’t have won 6 games last season if he WASN’T the qb? There’s your answer right there.
This “MYTH” that the defense is doing well needs to fucking END! We let teams go up and down the field, but then tighten up and force FG’s. At CLE, we were lucky, because their K sucked, and missed 3. That didn’t happen last night, and also, the Bengals have been struggling getting TD’s in the Red Zone all season. Teams have been holding the ball for 5+ minute drives regularly, and then we come out in the same shotgun crap that we did when Lazor was here, and it just looks like the same thing over and over again. Maybe it’s Tannehill, maybe it isn’t , I’m not even sure anymore. Still, We don’t have a freaking TE, and that includes when Mr. C-c-c-c-c-concussion is in the starting lineup. We have no LB’s, Lippett and Howard have promise, especially Howard, but match them up with AJ Green, and you get what you saw last night. Billy Turner can’t pass block, Tannehill can’t sense the rush, and I’m sick of it all! The offense sucks, the defense sucks, and maybe, just maybe, Gase sucks too, and that’s the thing that really bothers me the most.
there is no myth the defense is doing well. everyone knows the defense isn’t doing well.
I can assure you that some people on this blog believe the defense is doing fine, it’s the offense not holding up their end of the bargain.
we all know the D isn’t doing well but we definitely could have beaten Seattle and the defense kept us in the game last night.
Lou
Your 8:27 post is silly. That’s like saying did the ARZ Diamondbacks really need Paul Goldshmidt to get 66 wins, or the Reds Joey Votto to get 67, or the Saints Drew Brees to get 7 wins last year. It’s not all about the QB, just in certain peoples eyes. How’s Nick Foles doing? Would we be in the SB with him?
if Nick Foles were in camp from day one and was the starting qb from wk 1 with all things being the same we wouldn’t only have 1 win right now.
I can’t agree with that Lou. This team is a mess, especially when we have injuries on the O-line. Guys were in the backfield so fast last night it was ridiculous. It was like Turner said, OK, I know you’re going outside, and he stepped to the left, and Atkins ran right by him without being touched. Last year the Ol-line was sieve, and it was again last night. Once again, just like with Lazor, we won’t commit to running the ball. I can’t comprehend that for that for the life of me.
Bengals weren’t getting pressure all night and if we were moving the ball early on it would have opened things up for the offense and things would have been different. When you’re forced to pass the D is going to T off against you.
The offensive line held it’s own for most of the game. Tannehill didn’t do his job. Foles can read a D a hell of a lot better than needle dick can and would have thrown quicker passes to get the ball out and beat the rush. Not stand there forever.
the whole point is it’s time for people to realize what I’ve been saying from day one. Tannehill isn’t the qb that’s going to get us to the playoffs and it’s time to move on. Never has been and never will be.
Unless our D becomes a top five scoring D, top five vs the run and the pass and leads the league in turnovers it’s not going to happen. Oh yeah, and we also need to have a top 5 rushing offense. That’s how good the rest of the team would need to be to make it to the playoffs with needle dick boy at qb.
About sums my thoughts up!
After this latest loss, it’s the Dolphins players who are on notice
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article105087481.html#storylink=cpy
and that’s the biggest failure of the previous regime. giving players like Misi a free pass each and every year is the reason this team is in such a mess.
Ok, so can we fire everyone, and get a scab team? Do we already have a scab team?
Yes!
Haven’t you watched any of the 4 games?
my whole point is there’s players (like Misi) who fans have been defending for years sayings things like “he’s solid” and now when it comes to stopping the run and covering with our LB’s and we’re getting shredded fans are now saying our LB’s suck. Well, no shit. I’ve been saying that for years about guys like “MISI” but people kept disagreeing with me and saying “He’s Solid”. No, he’s not. He’s a weak link. He’s always been a weak link and I know we haven’t picked up anyone to replace him with but that was exactly my point. WHY? He was one of the first guys I would have replaced.
So, you wanted your mediocrity with guys like Misi and this is what you get.
This team needs DE’s and LB’s in this next draft. If they go any other direction early on and draft a guy like Cook at RB or some other player on offense, even an offensive lineman, we’re screwed again. time to right the wrongs of the past and get this team going in the right direction. we need to build the d-line because of the age at DE and raise the level of play at LB. Anything else is unacceptable.
I repeat:
This was supposed to be the year. This was the year he was going prove everyone wrong with a REAL offensive scheme and real plays that allowed him to use his ability. This was to be the year where he proved everyone wrong because Gase was going to cut him loose and take off the shackles and allow him to make changes at the line of scrimmage as needed so he could check out of those failed run plays if he needed to.
Yet, he’s still throwing the ball behind his receivers, he’s still throwing the ball short of the first down marker, he still has not pocket presence and won’t move around in the pocket to buy time when needed.
No. This is the season when everyone finds out what we’ve really got as a qb and get’s ready to move on from this train wreck.
It’s very possible that we will be looking for a starting QB at the end of this year, but the team is not making it any easier for him to succeed. We don’t run well and don’t run enough (SOS), and in 3 of the 4 games, we can’t pass block either.
you don’t want to hear the D is doing well but then give a bs excuse that the o-line isn’t pass blocking well when, in fact, it’s just the opposite. the o-line’s pass protection has been stellar thru most of the four games and when you’re passing on every down to try and get back in the game and aren’t going max protect that’s on the coaches.
son of a son of a shula says:
September 30, 2016 at 8:07 am
True Lou it is on Tannehill. It’s not the “whole” offense it’s the QB. He’s horrible.
It’s ok he’ll be in a battle with RGMcNutjaw in Cleveland for a job next year.
lmfao, one of the best troll comments in a long time. that should help stir things up.
Lou
Where is Nick Foles now?
Why? you think they should give him a call?
No, my guess is 32 teams realize he’s not the guy you think he is.
he’s in KC
well, I highly doubt anyone would be burning up the phone lines for tannehill either. take a look at the other teams and tell me who would want HIM?
Pats – no
Bills – yes
Jets – yes
Steelers – no
Browns – yes
Bengals – no
Ravens – no
Colts – no
Jags – no
Houston – no
Titans – no
Broncos – no
Chiefs – no
Raiders – no
Chargers – no
Redskins – no
Dallas – no
Giants – no
Eagles — no
Bears – maybe
Packers – no
Vkings – no
Lions – no
Falcons – no
bucs – no
Panthers – no
Saints – no
Rams – no
Seahawks – no
49ers – no, Kelly wants a guy who gets the ball out fst in his O
Cardinals – no
So, it’s not like Tannehill is some kind of great asset. If we were to try and trade him we definitely ain’t getting a 1st or 2nd for him.
ARMANDO’s column contains a statement which says “the general manager isn’t going anywhere,” strongly implying we’ll be stuck with T-Baum’s disastrous personnel decisions for at least one more year. If that’s the case, then Dolfans are in for a shitty season both this year and next year, too. It’s one thing to pick a proven loser for the job of GM. It’s quite another to keep them on the payroll for several years and, perhaps, give them raises (as Ross did with Jeffroe). Both Ireland and Tannenbaum are absolute losers. Steve Ross bears the responsibility of hiring them in the first place (or retaining them) and also bears the responsibility of keeping these proven losers around for way too many years. The sad truth is that Ross is absolutely incapable of selecting the right people to run his franchise. EIGHT consecutive none winning seasons will become NINE next season!!!!!!!
“NON-WINNING.” I believe the old franchise record for consecutive non-winning seasons was two before Ross took over the franchise.
my biggest problem with Ross is he still does not understand that the entertainment value of going to an nfl game is the product on the field. he could have the most beautiful stadium in the league with the best restaurants and the big screens in the corners of the stadium and other entertainment going on inside and outside the stadium but fails to realize the real reason people go to a football game is to see a frickin’ football game.
fans don’t give a shit about the other stuff. they want a winning team and he thinks that by providing all that other stuff it makes a difference. he’s an idiot
Mike E; Will you now agree with me that we DID NOT successfully address our O-Line woes over the last off-season?? Frankly, I KNEW if we brought Turner and Bushrod back, things would go to shit when Pouncey and Albert had their predictable annual injuries.
OD, we had 2 starters out on the O-line, which forced us to move our 3rd string C in, and Billy Turner at LG, to replace Tunsil who moved to LT. I think we have better depth than we did in the past, but with 2 guys out, and a game plan that leaves them out there to be exposed, that’s what you get man. I can’t agree, we drafted Tunsil in RD1 and brought in Bushrod, who has done a good job so far. When you get down to 3rd string at 2 spots, you can be in trouble.
I know a lot of people won’t agree with me on this but the success we had with Steen at C makes Pouncey expendable. I understand he’s considered by many around the league to be an elite C but I don’t care. To me, he’s a pimple on the ass of the team in terms of his attitude and he gives us leverage in a trade that allows us upgrades at other positions.
Our biggest areas of need going forth will be DE due to age and LB’s due to the major sucking sound heard all around So. Fla.
If we could trade Pouncey for a 1st in order to have 2 first rd picks next draft it gives us the ability to go after the defensive prospects we will need for the future to shore up the DE and LB positions. In addition, there will be some nice offensive linemen available 2nd and 3rd rds who could really help shore up that as well.
But, we are in dire need of help at those two positions going forward and need to make the move. Gase wants to change the culture and Pouncey, IMO, is a bad element that will prevent that from happening.
The Gase is benching guys lately I would not be surprised to see him Bench Tannehill in the next couple of games
Do you understand why we over exposed our O-line and didn’t run? 8 carries the entire game. Did Ross put a mandate on every coach that gets here NO RUNNING THE FOOTBALL? It’s unbelievable to me, no matter who is HC, OC, it’s the same fucking thing every year
8 carries the entire game. How many offensive possessions did we have? what was the t.o.p. compared to Cincy? think about it. the offense needs to move the ball and get some first downs in order to run the ball more. can’t run it 29x when you’re constantly going 3 and out.
We barely did anything before we were losing by 2 scores
You need a few 1st downs to establish a running game
We weren’t gonna run the ball when the score was 22-7
At that point we need 2 quick scores
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Lou
I would trade Pouncey for picks without a doubt. We freaking agree on something! Love it!
Wow what a clusterfuck this team is. No matter who the coach or the FO its the same shit every year. Since the main constant has been Ross I blame him. He doesn’t know how to hire the right people to do this job. It starts from there IMO.
Lou
But we had an O-line that can’t pass protect, so by running the ball effectively, you give the D a rest, and win back the TOP battle. Going 3 and out with 2 incompletions and a sack doesn’t remedy the issue. We were down 15 points, not 30.
ITs because we keep hiring these OCs as HCs. We needed to hire a defensive coach that wants to play good defense and run the ball. Gase thinks he’s got manning back there. He needs to realize that his QB sucks. He should be handing the ball over to RBs most of the game if he wants to win.
you’re living in the past. we have an o-line that CAN pass protect and has done so very well this season. problem is we have a qb that needs 4.5 seconds to find an open guy.
Fuck, if I’m going to live in the past, you’d think I’d pick the last decade of this team? I’d rather pick the early 70’s , mid to late 80’s, much more exciting.
Tanny is showing everyone he’s not worth the money we’re giving him. I think an average QB can get this team to 6-10. Shit Chad henne could get this team to 6-10 and he did a few times.
Piggy
Same situation with the Patriots game, down 3 scores immediately, but Tannehill sucks, and the defense is great. Yeah, OK. Maybe they ALL suck!
he does suck. he wasn’t sacked once by the Pats but he threw 2 int’s. he’s got 4 fumbles in 4 games with 2 lost and these last 2 are ALL on him. you need to face the situation that tannehill is a loser at qb and that’s all there is to it. it’s never going to get any better as long as that clueless moron is the qb of this team.
put it this way. we may not win a lot of games the remainder of the season but I’d be all for putting in Doughty and developing him the rest of the season and seeing what we got there and move on from Tannehill at this point. We already know what we’ve got there and it ain’t getting any better.
Evaluate the talent we’ve got and get the players who want to play every week in there and jettison the guys who don’t give a fugg.
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At least he gets it. Tanny had a terrible game and really a terrible season so far. From mando
About that play where Tannehill was stripped. I asked him why he didn’t step up in the pocket.
“Yeah, I looked at the pictures, there was definitely a pocket there I should have stepped up into,” Tannehill said. “I had my eyes downfield and was about to let it go. But the fact is the tackles did a good job of pushing the guys past the depth so I have to step up. That’s on me.”
that’s rich.
Lou
The pass pro was NOT good last night. It’s been OK at times in other games, and was very solid against NE.
sure it was. what the hell were you watching. of course, when you get into a situation when you need to be passing the D is going to pin their ears back and bring it but tannehill had more than enough time early on to get the ball out. and, don’t forget those batted balls of his. again.
Says you Lou, I disagree. Billy Turner was a bullfighter last night. James got beat bad, and poor Bushrod tried to help him, but his guy was by him too fast. You’re just shit stirring, enjoy.
not early on.
when tanny missed the 3rd and 1 pass to the open TE I knew it was gonna be a long night. I really thought he was gonna bench tanny in 2nd half.
More from Mando
Gase, interestingly, did not absolve Tannehill of his poor performance, either.
“The entire offense struggled,” he said. “Obviously, he missed a couple of things early. His missed a third-and-one on a naked and was behind on the throw to Jarvis Landry. When things start going bad, you want him to find that one throw where he can spring us loose. But tonight was one of those nights where he only had two opportunities early that maybe could have sparked us.
Gase’s biggest mistake this season could be that he hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.
i finally watched the game and have to say wow, this team is just a qb away from being a real SB contender.
no its not just a QB. But the QB is one of the issues IMO. I don’t think Tanny can succeed in this type of team. He needs to be on the vikings or a similar system. A team that runs the ball and plays defense. Basically what bradford is doing. Tanny and bradford are pretty similar IMO.
could we get a 5th for tannehill right now? I’d take it
I think we should be able to get what the eagles got for bradford. If we find a desparate enough team.
unfortunately, there’s only one GM named Spielman. Maybe Brees will go down. We got the Jeffy fix there
I’m hoping, more than anything, Gase was just trying to give Tannehill every opportunity he could and that’s why he’s backing him 100% to give him confidence and give him the ability to show what he can do by giving him audible ability.
Gase is not a stupid person so he may be looking at it from the perspective that we’re talking about a 5th yr guy here and is expecting to see him grasp the offense and concepts quicker than a guy who’s a rookie or in his 2nd season and wants to see more from Tannehil in terms of what he can do.
So, there’s that. If that is the case, he probably isn’t happy with what he’s seeing. My guess is Gase will bring in HIS guy to run HIS offense in his 2nd season.
we’ll be picking in the top 10 in 2017. Let’s hope a worthy QB drops to us.
I say bring Doughty up from the ps for the rest of the season and develop him like the Broncos did with Siemian. He’s a real qb; not a wr masquerading as one. Go big on the defensive side of the ball to get the DE and LB positions shored up and build the D into something that rivals that of the Seahawks.
D wins championships. You have a solid, top five or top 10 D and you can get away with a qb that can do the job for you within your scheme and I think Doughty can run this offense better than Tannehill because he’s better at reading the D, gets the ball out faster and his progressions are much better. He’ll be a work in progress but, IMO, it will take nowhere as long to develop that guy as it did to “try” and develop tannehill.
When you have a qb who can make quick reads and get the ball out faster it helps your passing and running game.
So, Doughty’s my guy going forward. There’s absolutely NO reason to stick with Tannehill for the remainder of the season.
boulder,
so you are saying tanny is the problem because he is surrounded by below average players on offense and defense and he isnt an all world qb. ok cool, lets blame the guy for every one else shortcomings
he’s been the problem from day one. he sucks. get used to it.
no I think tanny is the problem because he misses key passes in key moments. Like the 3rd and one in the first half. The TE was wide open and he overthrew him. 3 and out and put the defense back on the field they go down and score again.
Tanny is ONE of the problems with this team. As I’ve been saying for 3 years now. Tanny needs to be on a team that has a really good defense and rush attack. You can’t rely on tanny’s arm to win games for you. Not against good teams.
lou,
i am use to it. however, unlike you i am also use to the rb, ol, dl, lb and db sucking too. i can focus on all aspects of this team that suck where all you can bitch about is an average qb not being great.
when the O functions properly and the D doesn’t have to be on the field that much the D can play better. It can also do things it wouldn’t do when the team has the lead vs being behind all the time. You can take some chances when you’re in the lead. When you’re in the lead late and you know the other team is going to be passing every down you can bring the pressure.
so, it all goes hand in hand. do the lb’s suck? yeah, I’ve been saying that for years. but you take last night’s game, for instance, where the D was on the field as much as it was and the offense getting 3 and out after 3 and out I’d say the D did an excellent job holding Cincy to 1 td and 5 fg’s whether it’s a struggling Cincy offense or not.
Tannehill sucks, that’s all there is to it. Do we need help elsewhere? Sure. But saying we need help elsewhere doesn’t excuse the fact that team has a qb that sucks. Doesn’t mean you build the D and get it to be one of the best units in the league and stay with w shit qb just because you have such a great D. that would be counterproductive.
Who cares if your D is constantly getting stops if the offense can’t move the ball with your shit qb? It doesn’t matter. So, if the team goes heavy d in the next draft to help fix some of the issues on that side and stays with tannehill nothing is going to change.
boulder,
i saw that pass and it was just as catchable as it was a bad pass.
and once again, so i have this right. you are saying tanny is an average qb that will succeed on a better team. so basically the fins should be done with him and go out there in search of a top elite qb so the fins will be good????? is there a line of these top qbs the fins front office doesnt know about?
that just makes no sense, if you think tanny could succeed on a better team then get a better team around him. it isnt like there are 100’s of elite qb’s out there looking for a job
Sorry that ball wasn’t catchable. It was over his Gray’s head. Again what I’m saying is if the phins want to have a coach that needs a QB like manning to be successful then you need to get a Elite QB like manning. If you want the team to be successful with tanny then you need a different coach. One that knows how to build a championship defense and likes to run the ball on offense.
completely wrong, tannehill goes to a better team and he’s not going to do better. he’s going to make that team worse.
and why the hell would a better team even want him?
I did not enjoy the game much last night, but the final score was not as bad as I thought it would be..LOL
Lou,
I get you are frustrated with Tannehill, but it is only just a game man…some of the personal shots and language you used was a little overboard IMO. If Gase thinks he is not the answer, I am sure he will not be with the team in a year or two. I guess maybe one could justify using those words if the guy was lazy, not trying, not studying, not giving effort, not caring, or not taking responsibility, but I do not see it that way.
I can’t wait for the next game to watch them again, I just wish it was sooner than 10 days from now…I really hate Thursday games.
he doesn’t take responsibility. if he was a leader he’d stand up there and just say, “I didn’t get the job done and that’s all there is to it.” then leave.
lou,
you should take a deep breath and relax. i didnt say he would win on a better team i was questioning what boulder was saying.
really dude, you hatred of tanny is so intense it is making you irrational at times
lol. everyone else can bitch and moan about losing seasons and the team not playing well and I’m irrational. I’m pointing out WHO the main reason is for the team not playing well. it’s the shitty qb and people need to open their eyes to it.
I said it before the draft, said it on draft day and have been saying it the last 4+ yrs that this kid is a waste of time and you still have people who think he’s not the issue.
Are there other issues? Definitely. But, we could have an offensive line that doesn’t allow a sack and can rush for 130 yds per game and this moron will find a way to lose it for us with his fumbles and int’s. he sucks
Tell you what, look around the NFL, and show me a team that runs the ball as little as we do. I’ll wait. I’ve got plenty of time. That is an issue with the defense, play calling, and personnel both on the O-line and in the backfield. If we had Arian Foster from 3 years ago, you think we run 18.5 times a game, which by the way, is 31st, 1.2 carries more than last place Chicago Bears. The Saints are also in that position, but they also have no defense, but they have a system in place for years with the same HC and QB.
I just don’t think Gase has the run the ball mentality. He did in denver and chicago because that’s what Fox wanted. Run the ball more. If you want to run the ball more then get a coach that wants to commit to the run like sparano.
‘Are there other issues? Definitely. But, we could have an offensive line that doesn’t allow a sack and can rush for 130 yds per game and this moron will find a way to lose it for us with his fumbles and int’s. he sucks’
yep, you are being perfectly rationale
ya know you can say anything you want about me but I’ve been the most rational person on either board talking about this team. I’ve read the comments about the team for the first 3 wks of the season and what some people were saying and if you want to talk about irrational there were some pretty irrational comments over the first 3 wks.
I’m finished with Tannehill. He’s not even a qb. he’s a wr. stick a fork in him, he’s done. bring Doughty up from the ps with the extra time you’ve got to get ready for Pittsburgh and go from there. No reason whatsoever to continue to try and develop Tannehill because he’s gone as far as he’s going to go and we all know what we’ve got in him.
So, bring up Doughty and have him run the Gase offense the way it should be; with a qb who’s capable of making the quick read and has the quick release and doesn’t need 4.5 seconds to recognize the open receiver. how’s that for irrational?
Boulder
It’s not a matter of whether “I” want to run the ball more, it’s a matter of being entirely one dimensional team, and one that can’t afford to be. We’re not the New Orleans Saints, with a QB entrenched in a capable offense with the same coach for a decade, or a QB like Drew Brees. We have an average QB that I think can be better than average if we give him an offense that can run the ball effectively, and more often than we do. 35 passing attempts, and 18 rushing attempts doesn’t accomplish that. It’s one reason why I’m not gong to single out the QB as the problem, because he’s not being put into a position to succeed. Get that closer to 25 each, and I think we’re a better offensive football team, and it will help the defense too. 2 incompletions and a sack uses 8 seconds.
he was downgraded to mediocre awhile ago.
ITs basically what I’ve been saying. But you have to have a coach that wants to run the ball and commit to running the ball. Wanny was that type of coach. Zimmer is that type of coach. play good defense and run the ball.
When we hired Gase I knew he was just gonna be another philbin clone. As I said I put this on Ross and Mr T. But mostly Ross. I know Mr T hired Rex who is that type of coach. Ross wants a HC that flings the ball all over the place. Like marino days. Well he doesn’t have a QB like marino so this is what you get.
Mike,
I do agree with you on one count and especially now that we’re 1-3. Time to start running the football and develop the run game since we’re pretty much in the shitter as far as playoff contention is concerned. don’t worry about wins and losses. work on areas that need to be developed iike the run game and get settled on one key guy at the position. nobody was expecting anything great this season anyway so try and get the offense to that point so they can build on what they’ve done this season going into next season.
Piggy
Same situation with the Patriots game, down 3 scores immediately, but Tannehill sucks, and the defense is great. Yeah, OK. Maybe they ALL suck!
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Okay Mike
this is the kind of misdirection that comes up when we talk about Tannehill every time
It’s possible for the defense to suck and Tannehill to suck too
In fact it’s probably reality
Forget about the defense when evaluating g the QB just evaluate the QB
When you evaluate the Defense Forget about the QB
Then you will see they both suck
And you won’t waste your time defending Tannehill.
we shouldn’t have to talk about everyone else when we discuss Tannehill
it’s true. it’s the “stick your head in the sand” mentality.
Tannehill sucks.
Yeah, but what about the D? What about the LB’s?
I’m not talking about the LB’s. I’m saying that Tannehill sucks and we need to go in a different direction.
Yeah, but the D also sucks.
Sure it does but I’m not talking about the D I’m talking about Tannehill. It’s time to move on.
Yeah, but you’re blaming the entire woes of the team on one guy.
No, I’m not. I’m saying he’s a major part of the problem and needs to be dealt with also.
Again, this was the year everything was supposed to be alright. Finally, Tannehill would get to swing his big cock around and show everyone how good he was because he had a real OC with a real offensive scheme and Gase was going to give him the freedom to change the play at the line. yeah, he’s going to prove everyone wrong. Sure he is.
Stick a fork in him. He’s done.
Its just misdirection
Wake me up when some one argues that Tannehill is good
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Am I late to the blood bath?
Lou
I’m with you on Tannehill
He just can’t get past the hump
He has qualities of a QB but he’s not a QB
I’m just not sure what direction this team should go in the future
Im inclined to focus on D in the ’17 offseason and hang on to Tannehill
Not bc I think he makes us better – but bc I think shuffling through QBs is probably worse
It really depends what is out there this offseason
But I don’t think Tannehill has endeared himself to be above replacement
I’m not hanging onto Tannehill. I’m bringing up Doughty and getting him prepared to play the remainder of the season. We’ve got extra time to get ready for Pittsburgh. Let’s see what we’ve got in Doughty and develop him and then go heavy D. Defense wins championships. We can try to develop a ground game the remainder of the season since it doesn’t matter from here on out and go from there too. Try to be one of those D’s with a great D and a good enough running game that Doughty doesn’t have to do too much early on. IMO, it’s going to take much less time to develop him than Tannehill. Tannehill just ain’t getting it. The light isn’t coming on for him.
I’m a little nervous to go back to the days of shuffling QBs
I think there are a lot of things to fix
and we know what Tannehill is
He’s not a nuclear meltdown disaster
He’s more like a heavy rain that wrecks your day
I thought the defense had their moments.
You can shit on them all you want but they held the Bengals to 19 points for almost the entire game…a game which at one point in the 4th Q the Dolphins O only had 5 first downs (franchise low is 6).
I don’t think they played well
I think the bengals made some mistakes giving up 4 points on multiple drives
I tend to think the run defense looked good and that helped a lot
But if the bengals just would have kept going to AJ Green the score is probably much higher than it is
I can live with some of the completions as AJ Green made some catches that frankly, he would have done it vs many of the DB in the league.
Personally, I think Lippett didn’t do too bad in coverage and probably did better than what Maxwell could have done. On the play where he missed the tackle and Green scored there should have been a safety to that side too so that was either on one of the safeties who blew the play or on the coaches for not putting a safety over there with him. I don’t care who the cb is you’re not leaving him all alone with Green like that. there was nobody else even close.
Early in the game the pass protection was good
On that stills TD catch for instance it looked very good
It breaks down when we fall behind by multiple scores
Defenses know what we are doing at that point
It’s the same concept as running from the shotgun like the Philbin days
The OL looks really bad when you can’t keep defenses off balance
Tunsil looked insanely good at LT yesterday in his first NFL moment there.
On that bomb to Stills, he took his guy and shoved him across the line all the way past the center which created the huge passing window.
They blitz
we picked it up
there wasn’t really a problem with pass protection most first half
We had defensive problems containing AJ Green
and we could not pick up first downs to get something going on offense
A couple of 3rd down plays jump out to me as questionable
The 3rd down throw and attempted catch to the backup TE
and the 3rd down draw
I don’t remember when those plays occurred
but those were missed opportunites
the 3rd down throw to Landry hich lead to a big game was a nice place though
At this point, defensively, I would keep Lippett & Hewitt as starters and not look back. I don’t care if they remain a liability; let them get snaps while the team is going to stink.
I would keep the young players too
They will have low points but this is for the future
And if nothing more they might end up being quality backups down the line
Our pass pro always fails in big spots. Every friggin time we need a play we can’t even get it off. Blame Tannehill or even replace him, it doesn’t change the fact that 3 defenders meet in the backfield for a tea party every friggin time.
Our team is groundhog day. It’s the same shit every friggin time. I don’t care what we do to change this team because whatever we have done is not working.
it was the whole offense that sucked I agree. But the strip sack and the over throw on 3rd and 1 were both on tanny. That wasn’t the oline.
Which particular play are you referencing?
The one where James guy got a strip sack I blame on Tannehill.
As a QB, you cannot be standing like a statue at the back end of your 5 step drop for 3 seconds.
Sherman repeatedly would say that RT needs to step up in the pocket during his rookie year and it seems that is still an issue today.
Tim,
you need to give it up already. seriously. this defense of tannehill is getting tiring. the o-line did their job for a good portion of the offensive plays and the protections started to break down when the d knew it could pin it’s ears back and go.
so, this nonsense about tannehill not having time is just excuses. he’s a mediocre qb who’s out of his element. maybe he should try wr in Cleveland instead. if it were me, i’d be done with him the rest of the season and go with Doughty. there’s no reason to try and get anything more out of this guy because if he hasn’t shown it yet he’s never going to show it.
I’m going to start calling Starks “SHAMU”.
That smothering move he did on the RB (Hill) and the OL in the 2nd half to injure their shoulders was SHAMU like belly flop.
Phillips?
are you being nostalgic Al….lol
LOL
Yes, Phillips 😦
If Koa Misi and Jelani Jenkins are wearing Phins unis next year you can stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. Vendor unis is about the only thing they should be wearing. You can defend them and say it’s injuries but if they can’t play due to injuries what good are they to the team? How long do you keep them around and keep offering up the same excuses about them especially if you’re considering them your starters?
Nope, it’s time to go after replacements for both. Foster from Alabama and Cunningham from Vanderbilt would be my first choices to replace at least one. Either would probably be an upgrade even in their rookie season.
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Can’t stand either
which ones? lol
Tim,
The OL really had problems once Geno Atkins figured out how bad Turner is lol.
No that didn’t happen. Our OL is fine. LOL
did you watch the entire game or just from the mid 3rd qtr on?
Losing this game wasn’t a surprise to many of use. 17 of 20 people had us losing this game.
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Yep
its a tough way to start the schedule
I think had we won the Cheats game and been 2-2 it might be something to work with
But its the way we played and a little bit about our 1 win against the Browns that is really upsetting me
we don’t look like a team moving in a positive direction
I didn’t watch this game but I’m pretty sure most of you are wrong.
LMAO!
3 defenders in the backfield is not on the QB guys. We get overrun in big spots every friggin time. Like I said replace Tannehill all you want I don’t care anymore, he’s not progressing to another level either, but a new QB is not going to change that. I feel like I’m watching the same game every friggin week. LOL
Al, when is there ever a pocket to step up in? That’s where the pressure always is, not so much from the ends, right in the middle. Every friggin time.
tim must have been watching a different version of the game. maybe the one on the PS3 or something.
Or maybe you’re not willing to look at all our issues. How many times do I have to say replace Tannehill? It doesn’t change that fact that our OL still sucks in big spots. Can’t run in short yardage and can’t pass protect in big spots. It’s like they’re not even there.
Tim,
you’re the qb. you know the pressure’s going to be coming. you know they’re going to be bringing it. what do you do? do you take a 5 step drop to allow the pressure to get to you on a slow developing play or do you take 2 steps and get the ball out quickly so the pressure doesn’t have that chance?
it all goes hand in hand tim. all of it. your o-line is running the d-line way up the field and where’s your qb? he’s right there where the o-line took the d-line! should he be? no. why? because he’s a friggin idiot.
Even tanny said after the game he should have stepped up in pocket during strip sack. That fumble was totally on him. Not sure what james could have done anything different in that case. Tanny doesn’t have a good pocket presence. He didn’t when he was a rookie and still doesn’t.
Its not just that he doesn’t
Its that there are no signs of improvement
He doesn’t look like a professional QB in the pocket
He’s just not aware of what is around him
There was defiantely a pocket on the strip sack
I think the whole world could see it
the announcers basically acknowledged it at the time
There are many times we have seen it and he just doesn’t move like a pro QB should back there
there are also times when there is no pocket
but that doesn’t change the opportunities that are missed
Lou, did you read what I said or are you just saying what you want? I said replace Tannehill, it doesn’t change the fact that our interior OL looks like paper bags in big spots. LOL
the offensive line did a pretty good job for a good enough portion of the game to give tannehill time to get the ball out. the majority of the jailbreaks came late in the game. did we still have a shot at 22-7? sure. but when the D knows you’re passing every down what do you think is going to happen. if the coaches aren’t calling for max protect or tannehill’s not setting the protections that way that’s on them. you saw Dalton on one play tell his running back to move into a hole where the blitz would be. that’s what a qb should be doing. again, tannehill doesn’t see it and I think Gase probably knows that by now.
That’s fine. Tannehill isn’t good enough, I get it. Neither is the OL and neither is our defense. They never get a big stop when it really matters. End of story. We’re not a good team.
Also please stop with Lippett looks pretty good. He’s a very soft player who misses tackle after tackle.
yeah, defend the 5th year qb who can’t get it done but trash the 2nd yr guy who’s still developing in his position.
dude, what did Cincy get after the Tannehill fumble? a FG? the d kept us in the game all the way into the 4th qtr. at least they were doing their job. tannehill hasn’t done his job in any of the first four games.
BTW the Gase playcalling was horrible last night. It reminded me of last year play calling.So far, I’m not impressed with Gase like some of you.
He’s done nothing to set himself apart from Philbin last year
Honestly, I think Lazor’s play calling was better. I also think the design of the O was better too. Too early to tell? Maybe. Or maybe they want RT to fail so they can move on.
piggy,
this year is starting to look more and more like Cam Cameron first season. I mean we’re an 0-4 win. I really don’t count the browns game as a win.
We will see where we are after the 4 game home stand
Gase has a chance to steady the ship over the next 4 games
HE did it in chicago and denver because Fox forced him to do it IMO.
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Gase’s unwillingness to run the ball even though he did that in Chicago. Blows my mind
It’s not misdirection. I’m pointing out factual evidence Piggy. We complain we go 3 and out and we complain about the T.O.P., and then we blame the QB. We run the ball 8 times, how can you possibly expect to be close in T.O.P.? The defense is being asked to shoulder a lot due to that, and because they’re being asked to do a lot, they can’t handle it. It’s just like asking the makeshift O-line to block 35 times. Why would you do that, when it’s the hardest thing for these guys to do?
Here’s EXACTLY what I’m saying Piggy, not mincing words, or misdirecting. Asking Tannehill to throw 35 times makes him suck. Asking the O-line to pass block for 35 pass attempts makes them suck. Asking the defense to be on the field all day because we can’t sustain drives because we can’t pass block and we won’t run the ball makes them suck. Simple as that.
I agree 100% with this post.
but we were pass blocking well enough and often enough to get the job done and tannehill wasn’t able to make the connections. if he was, the pressure that came later along with the majority of the sacks probably wouldn’t have happened. you have to make those plays as a qb when you’re being asked to and he didn’t. so the offense stalled one too many times again and it’s on him. i’m sorry but that’s just reality
If some one says Tannehill sucks and you want to argue with that about something else to defend him
That’s misdirection – whether its factual, it doesn’t matter
that’s the whole point of misdirection
to change the subject to a different argument
If some one argues that Tannehill is not good
I think you argue that he is good
or don’t argue at all
if you insist on changing the subject – that’s misdirection
You can easily argue that Tannehill is not good enough to be asked to throw the ball 35 times a game
instead you argue that Tannehill is being made to suck on the same facts
There are certainly QBs that perform well being asked to throw the ball 35+ on a regular basis
Tannehill is just not that good
Its the same conclusion – its just focusing the blame on some one else
I think there are a lot of factors to our performance
but I think Tannehill not being good enough to be a guy you build around is a real key to our failures that last couple of years
So in a way I agree with you
He’s not good enough to be asked to throw 35 times a game
but we treat him, pay him and have built this team for him to do that
That is why so much of the failure is placed on him
this team is built for him to perform better than he has
You ate just phrasing it in a different way to avoid dealing with the hard fact that Tannehill is not the guy we all want him to be and probably not going to be that guy
one other thing to consider is what’s the level of confidence the players around tannehill have that he’s able to get the job done. If you’ve got guys on the offensive line pushing the d line up the field past the qb and the qb gets sacked or stripped causing a fumble and the guys on the o line are saying “what the hell is he doing back here” then you’ve got a problem.
on pass plays you’re going to try to block guys and move them based on the play called. so, there’s times you’re going to want to take guys up the field like on a screen to a back. but, if the qb isn’t where you think he will be that screws up your blocking as well. players on the o line know what the drop is going to be and how fast the ball is coming out. that’s why, on a screen, they block for a second and then release up field to get out in front of the play to get blocks.
same thing happens on pass protection. you get your guys going up the field past the qb you’re expecting the qb to buy some time by moving up in the pocket. if he doesn’t and you let your guy go by to the high side expecting the qb to be gone you just created a sack instead. that’s NOT on the o lineman.
I was called irrational earlier because of my comments about tannehill but you’ve got people calling out turner for his blocking of atkins when atkins makes vets look foolish on a lot of plays and turner’s starting his first game of the season and out of position as well. there’s not a lot of guys who are going to block atkins one on one on passing downs when you know the d is bringing maximum pressure to get to the qb.
so, again, it was a failure on someone’s part to not provide more protection in the form of a rb or something to help with blocking atkins. but, saying turner didn’t do his job. yeah, that’s rational.
Is anyone surprised Atkins worked Turner
or AJ Green did a number on Howard and Lippett
these things happens in games
every team has great players and sometimes they go against their weak players
but where are our stars
This sucks. Adam Gase has only 2 wins in his last 9 NFL games as OC/HC and one of those was the browns LOL.
That’s kind of goofy. Now we give wins and losses to coordinators? LOL
well if he had won. Then I’d say he had won 🙂
LOL @ me defending Tannehill because I’m down on the entire team. How many more times do I have to say Tannehill isn’t good enough either. Geez!!!
Lou, you want a Tannehill debate so badly and I’m not giving it to you so you create one and pretend I’m saying something different.
How’s this? I’d blow up most of this roster including Tannehill. We’re not a good team.
I said that this team was built to win now based on who we have and the contracts. I also said if it doesn’t play well then we’re going to see major changes sooner than later. We’re headed there already. See the benchings that have already occurred. Nobody is stepping up.
I wouldn’t blow up the entire roster. We need help at DE and LB for next season because or DE’s are either aging or retreads at this point. LB is obvious. We need to replace 2 of the 3. I’m fine with the back end and I’m fine with rb and wr andthink we could use a couple of good guards in the next draft.
Other than that, I’d be fine with sitting Tannehill the remainder of the season and try and see what we’ve got in Dougthy and go from there. We’re not going anywhere this year and I wouldn’t waste another ounce of energy on the failed Tannehill project. Reminds of the DT3 experiment.
I said most, not entire.
potato, potatoe
Well there is a difference. 😉
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Based on emails and mentions from fans and even texts from people in the Dolphins organization, word that best describes the mood is anger.
Thanks Bookman – I really think that sums up our issues well with last night’s game plan, and basically our teams issues this season in general. I’m just shocked how it’s like watching Philbin and Lazor all over again. I can’t comprehend how that happens.
I can. It starts with Ross. He wanted the same type of coach and he got one.
Lazor’s offensive scheme actually makes this look like something you’d see from a bunch of guys who got together for a game and some beers.
Last night was honestly the first time I questioned the majority of the play calling and offensive game plan. I am not sure what to expect against the Titans. I like some of the talent we have a RB and am at a loss as to why you would not run the ball more, on a short week, with a banged up OL.
Mike,
I liked your response to my question. It’s easy to say right now, but I didn’t see much talent on this team worth investing in long term and the first four games have done nothing to change my opinion. I don’t like the personality and makeup of most of our roster. Honestly, I’d lock up Landry and Jones and try to get the most value out of everyone else whether it means trades, reasonable contracts, or just letting them go.
Completely agree with the idiotic strategy of overpaying FAs. I can understand a Denver or Baltimore type team going for it if they see an opportunity to make a run at the SB. We, on the other hand, are trying to get to 9-7 with one huge FA splash or trade.
Purge the roster, bring in guys that love football and will do anything to be on an NFL roster. I’d much rather root for a team that lacks for talent, but gives 100% effort every week than what we are currently seeing. Quit trading up or trading away draft picks. If anything, trade down and stockpile them. Nobody hits on all their picks, but bring in enough of them and you can fill your roster with young, hungry players. Gase is still an unknown as a HC, but I like his personality and attitude. Would enjoy seeing what he can do with a roster like that.
I hope we fire Tannenbaum. His track record suggests he isn’t the right guy to bring this team back.
Thanks bud, agree with you on stockpiling picks, and Mr. T
Tannehill isn’t good enough to just sling the ball 35 times a game. I’ll say it. Question is though, why do that if that’s not what he is? You need to work with what you have and put players in a position to help them succeed.
I’ll also add, as Tim pointed out earlier, Cam Newton is 7-16 when throwing the ball 35 or more times. So basically, which NFL QB is equipped to do that? Not more than 3 or 4, so is it really important as to whether he can do it or not? That’s another important question.
Well I’m in agreement with that
but I would have had a defensive heavy draft a kept Miller or come to the conclusion that I want to go in a different direction at QB NOW
I’m all for having Tannehill throw the ball less
but to be clear – Its bc I don’t think Tannehill is good enough to carry the laod we have been asking him to
My whole point of contention with this is that we took him #8 overall. I said then and continue to say that this is not the guy who’s going to get us to the playoffs let alone the SB. But, I’ve constantly had people defending him saying it’s not his fault; it’s other reasons why we’re not successful.
Now, all of a sudden, people are saying “we never said he was going to be great”. “we never said he would be good enough to carry the offense on his back”. “tannehill shouldn’t be throwing the ball 35 times a game”.
When I said he wasn’t good enough to throw the ball 35 times a game and for us to win I almost had my head handed to me on a platter. Again, all of a sudden, people are beginning to see the light. He’s NOT the answer. I don’t care if we take the ball out of his hands and have him only throw it 23 times a game and have more success running the ball it’s not going to matter.
Why? Because tannehill is too inconsistent. When we need him to make a play on a 3rd down to keep the drive alive he throws an inaccurate pass for an incompletion or he turns the ball over. He’s never going to be the answer. So, throwing the ball 35 times a game or not isn’t the problem. The problem with Tannehill IS Tannehill. He’s not capable of reading a defense, he’s not capable of making quick decisions with the ball, he still has piss poor ball placement, he still fumbles the ball because he doesn’t move around in the pocket.
So, what’s going to happen if we’re running the ball successfully and we’re scoring because of it and the pass blocking is stellar but all of a sudden the D brings pressure on one particular play and tannehill gets hit and fumbles. Boy, that offensive line can’t pass block. That’s what.
I think converting 3rd downs is a huge difference maker
if you are able to do that – everything comes together a little bit
And I think we are converting at a 25% clip. That’s why we don’t run the ball much. 3rd down conversion is AWFUL and you have to convert a bunch to run the ball effectively.
then complete a 3rd and 1 to an open TE. Its not hard.
My only take on Tannehill is he isn’t good enough to justify 18 million a year. Does anyone here really believe he’s a huge upgrade over a 5-7 million/year QB? Sure, he might be good if you surround him with a good team, but look at what Denver can do with Siemien. Why overspend when it brings little to no improvement over average talent?
I really think tanny is on his last leg here unless things change dramatically. He’ll be trade bait after the season.
If you can trade Bradford for a 1st you should be able to get great value for Tannehill
That’s one reason not to bench him and let him collect stats
He has to stop with the TOs though
I would be finished with him at this point. When you look at what a Gase offense is all about and what kind of qb is needed to run a Gase offense Tannehill doesn’t fit that mold. You need a guy who can read a D, make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly because Gase likes those short passes with the ball being put on the money giving the receiver a chance to get the yac.
That’s where Doughty comes in. When I saw Doughty’s skill set and how it translates to this offense I have to believe he was drafted specifically for that reason. I know I’m probably wrong because he wouldn’t be on the practice squad if that’s the case but getting the ball out quickly is the #1 priority in a Gase offense
the one saving grace is the team can opt out at the end of the year and, IMO, unless we run off about 10 in a row there’s no way they keep him around and pay him that kind of money going forward. if they do they I’ll go root for the Eagles. lol
but, seriously, if Gase is trul the smartest man in the room you would hope he had a plan coming in and he’s working that plan and see’s tannehill for what he is and knows what he’s got in him and the talk he’s been talking is just to make sure he keeps his confidence up so he could get the best out of him to make a proper evaluation.
if Gase is truly the smartest man in the room I think he’s already seen enough to be able to make that evaluation and we will be seeing HIS guy next season.
Scheme smeme. It’s the same game every friggin time. Teams beat us the same way over and over. 1-3 is not a death sentence but I have no faith that this team can climb out of it. They’re just not good enough. Sure will we win a few games this year, probably but that’s about it. 5-11 or 6-10 maybe. I’m sick of watching the same shit over and over.
I think a lot of us feel the same way. Its the same shit every year. Top 10 maybe even a top 5 pick.
Its not even October and I’m already done with this season and looking forward to the offseason and draft. It fuckin sucks to root for this POS team.