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Finsmob Unleashed 
I just met for lunch today with some one
and we were talking about the debate and how bad it was
and we mentioned
Do you remember 2008?
McCain v Obama townhall
and this lady stood up and said she can’t vote for Obama bc he is a muslim
and McCain, being the class act he is, stopped her and said
“that’s not true, that is racist”
can you imagine that now
if some one stood up and accused Trump of raping her
If some one stood up and said Hillary stole from me
the other candidate would hand that person a microphone
record what he/ she says
repeat in for three weeks
and then misquote it
There is no integrity in this election cycle and both candidates should share that blame
I really think whoever wins this election will lose 2020
when the other candidate is just a decent human being – if that’s the case anway
It’s embarrassing. I want no part of this election or the circus around it.
It really hit its low point last night
Yeah it’s depressing.
I think everyone is overreacting with regard to the FO and coaching staff. We’re not blowing that up after basically one year. The personnel will see a lot of changes though. It has too.
I don’t think we are blowing it up either
I just think we are going to suck and no one wants to say the “rebuild” word
I don’t think you win more games by blowing it up
The offseason comes when its scheduled no matter what you do
The 2016 approach is not working. That’s why I said all offseason I don’t know what to expect with this team because I’ve never seen them play together. Well now we have a good sample size and it ain’t good. 😦
There are too many fundamental flaws and you were right about LB. They’re not good enough. We probably have more backup level talent than starters with the exception that I think Alonso can start for a lot of teams. Maybe he’s not a great fit inside at Mike but he does move around and he does blow up plays and is all over the field. He’s the best LB we have.
Tim,
So you’re saying it’s about the players, then? Finally…a convert! Lol
LOL, well I have been concerned about some of the personnel all offseason and even our depth last year. See my reply above to Piggy.
Tim,
Gase seems like a good enough guy. There’s been no noticable improvement over last year though, so that’s a concern. Will wait until the season is over before passing judgement on him.
I want no part of Tannebaum. His history says he’ll trade away too many draft assets and hasn’t proven to be anything special in evaluating guys. I don’t care who it is, just give me someone who will make smart trades and protect our long term interests.
I could easily get behind a team full of young guys who play like their job is on the line every week. Don’t even care if we are outgunned in talent as long as we have a team worth rooting for. The patsies aren’t going anywhere for at least a few more years. Build the team so that we are ready to take over the division when Belicheat’s pact with Satan finally expires.
drg, fair enough but I don’t see TBaum going anywhere yet and remember he was hired to try and fix an already broken team just 2 years ago. He didn’t break a good team and we’re still well under the cap with more coming in 2017. I think the change in personnel has only just begun.
Agreed. Overall I didn’t hate our offseason. Thought the trade with Philly was idiotic and didn’t like the draft trades, but was an improvement over previous years….
Pig,
Honest question… What is there to build around on this roster? I didn’t see it before the season and definitely not seeing it now. Been wanting us to go full rebuild mode for two seasons now.
Afraid you can throw the FO and most of the coaching staff in with the players too. It’s too early to throw the coaches under the bus, but if they were anything special we’d at least see some improvement over last year, right?
Mostly 1-3 year players and keep building with youth in FA with first time UFAs (not necessarily top dogs but good young players with a positive track record) and then keep drafting.
Reshad Jones is a fan favorite and he’s a very good player but he has also had breakdowns this year. He’ll also want to be paid again in 2017.
I actually think Reshad Jones is a player we could trade for a high pick if we don’t want to pay him as a top 3 safety which I’m not sure he is.
I think he is absolutely worth it. He fits this defense like a glove too because he can flex in and out of almost any role they want him to in run support, blitzing, man coverage and zone. He is a very unique level player.
In fact he could probably man the MLB role for us, but it would be at the detriment of an already weak secondary.
I’d be okay with that, although I think you want to reward the guys that show up to play every week. Landry and Jones are the only two I’ve got. Really like Wake and his work ethic, but he’s not a great locker room guy. All the money we have invested in our OL/DL and they are both trash. We’re stuck with Suh for another couple of years, but I think everyone else can be traded or released within the next two years.
I haven’t been that impressed with Jones this year. He has his flashes of great stuff but so does Alonso, but people hone in on his bad play and Jones seems to get a pass. He’s living off of last year right now. I don’t think he’s the 2015 Jones this year.
My point in mentioning his trade value is that a team would want him if were going young. I’m not advocating trading him.
Jones hasnt been as bad as Kiko was earlier. Kiko is just now earning the right not to be criticized, his first couple of games were poop. Jones might not be as on fire as he has been, but he has played pretty well and consistently makes plays when others arent.
See my statement below, im starting to come around to Kiko because he is starting to show signs of what he is capable of. I dont think leadership is his strong suit, but i think he is showing he can still be a good player.
I think Kiko is coming along, but im still not sold on him in the MLB role. I dont think he has command of the unit at all and i think it shows because there are people lined up wierd and they are covering the same people of playing the same gaps. I dont think this is as much of a “rogue” player situation as the media has made it out to be and more just no cohesion on the plan. MLB is support to call out these things and get his people in the right spot, he is also supposed to jump the shit f any person not doing it. Thats his unit and he has to own that and control it. Id like to have a guy like Jamie Collins man the MLB spot, be that leader on defense we need, despite play to play where he lines up. I think Kiko would excel at LB without the leadership responsibility.
I’m not sure about the leadership responsibility stuff with Kiko. But maybe he’d be better on the outside. In BUF they wanted to move him to WOLB the year he hurt his knee training in the offseason.
Id keep it fluid, move him in and out of the WOLB and MLB spot, and if we got a guy like Collins we could do same. I think Jenkins would play better with a better leader on the LB unit, but i guess you could just as well blame him for not taking that role.I could see keeping him, Alonzo and getting Collins and a fairly early draft pick, early mid. Let Jenkins, Alonzo and new guy battle it out and that would give us 3 solid LBs and a backup that has potential starting ability as well. We are about 2 players short of what we need to be effective at LB and one of them has to be a stud.
I dont think our defense really has a full on MLB, we move guys around, in and out of other spots, etc, i think MLB is more concept with our defense, and is more about the guy who gets everyone in the right spot and executes the plan vs where they line up.
It does seem that way.
Misi won’t be back in 2017.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/10/miami-dolphins-place-koa-misi-on-injured-reserve.html
Could have just left it with Misi wont be back… lol
DRG
I probably take the young players first as the building blocks
Tunsil, Parker, Howard, Phillips
Essentially the early picks last couple of years
I realize they have not proven themselves yet – but I start with that as building blocks
later round picks like Ajayi, Drake, Carroo and Grant – I think those guys have a place on this team in 2017 and they cost the team little investment
Then I look at younger players under contract who have proven themselves
The best example is Landry. I prioritize keeping some one like him
but I also think Reshad Jones fits the bill as well
I also think, despite his performance lately some one like Juwann James should be kept
then you get into the higher contract guys
and age and $ becomes factors
You have to start with the two big ones Suh and Tannehill
I think you take Suh and you say here is a building block
I can think about other positions and can afford him while I do that
And Tannehill – I say you keep him but I you can move him for value, you do it
and if you can get a young guy to come in and challenge him, you do that
Tannehill may suck (IMO) but he is a starter
and I don’t want to cycle through starters at QB
Its really the Wake, Albert’s Pouncey, and Williams of the team that present the conflict of age/injury price tag vs lack of production that are the real hard choices – the cuts probably….
But I don’t want to take big cap hits by cutting them
so that needs to be a factor
then you just use the draft for BPA
So I think the building g blocks are the young players
and maybe a couple of the high priced older guys
I don’t know what the coaches are yet either
I would not go over the top building their vision for a team
I would look for BPA
Yes because we can use top BPA at any position. Maybe I’d rather not go WR but everything else is open.
I think WR is still a decent need for us, we will be minus Still most likely after the end of the year and i think they would like to add another big guy, especially if we take a QB, i could see us taking a WR to pair him with. For example Kelly and one of his moster targets at Ole Miss, would be a solid upgrade the offense package.
Tim
I think the difference between Jones and some one like Alonso
is that Jones has performed before for us at a high level
Players go through ups and downs
and a lot of good teams are made up of players that team stuck with during down times
Take a player like Thomas Davis and the Panthers
That guy has been a Panther forever
and last year he was a highlight on their roster
Jones is still doing a pretty damn good job, he really hasnt messed up much. I think he is trying to do too much right now because he feels he has to help carry the D.
Agreed. I’ve seen you make the Thomas Davis example before. I agree with you on not completely starting over every time the team isn’t good. It’s dumb. If we want to be the Browns than go that route. We hit reset in the 2016 offseason. We have to accept that. Let’s see how the rest of the season goes and then we’ll have a better idea what happens in the 2017 offseason.
I know most here might disagree but i really think there is little chance tanny is here next year. I know he is going to get the chance to change that, but as it is right now i dont see him winning the staff over enough to keep him. I understand what Gase is doing, but Gase was told when he took the job he wasnt stuck with Tanny and could get his own QB when the season was over. I know what Gase says about commiting to Tanny but he also cut that commitment to through the end of the year, i really dont think it goes further than that.
That’s why I said let’s see how the rest of the season plays out. RT could definitely be in the mix as a personnel change in the offseason if he just fades out from here. Coaches have to trust players and if they can’t they move on.
That said, the OL we lined up yesterday was not up to par. Let’s be honest. Turner and Thomas on the left side?
I turned on the game and was like “Turner and Thomas? WTF!”
Albert ankle/sickness and Tunsil slips in the shower and hurts himself before game time. I mean nothing goes right with this team. WTF?!!!!
I don’t disagree with this D, especially with his cap number next year.
Any of the WR’s or the TE from Ole Miss would be great adds if we take Kelly, or hell, no matter who we take. I like the idea of adding a receiver, be it TE or WR any time you add a QB just so they can grow together.
I meant more 1st rd. I don’t think that’s the player who changes the team’s fortunes. We have WRs who can play. Unless the guy is just too friggin good.
JUST SAY NO TO KELLY!
Bookman
I must have screwed up, I have it down that way on paper.
BTW
did your DVR get Columbo last night, I’m still freaking out!
I think our NBC channel moved all their Sunday night shows to Me TV to make room for SNF
But they havent done that in the weeks past
D says:
October 10, 2016 at 6:20 pm
Could have just left it with Misi wont be back… lol
could have just said, misi was never here how could he be back
Evening Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
Wyo 42-17 PIT
Piggy24-21 PIT
B’man38-13PIT
MikeE24-23MIA
Rock 41-6 PIT
GO PHINS!!!
27 – 7 pit
Brian in NY says:
October 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm
JUST SAY NO TO KELLY!
just say no to any qb in the first. they need to much other help before qb
RT will be a $10.4M cap hit next year. $4.8M in 2018. Unless a team gives us value and takes on his contract it won’t happen in 2017. Strong competition is very possible though.
Correction: $4.6M in 2018.
would you pay a backup 20 mil? If he doesn’t win the competition and not traded, he’ll be probably cut.
You’re losing half that in dead cap. That’s real tough to do. 2018 is the year you can walk away from RT.
Let’s say if a guy like say Doughty steps up in 2017, wins the job, is being paid minimum money, you’re winning and your backup is making big money, what’s the difference in reverse roles? The only loser financially is Doughty, not the team. It was the scenario they envisioned cap wise. I know it looks weird but if it’s about wins and losses than you go with wins.
You have to make the move when it makes sense.
Time To purge and rebuild for the future…….
We have 24 UFAs on our 53 man roster in 2017. Yes some are lower level players but still, a lot of change is coming and that doesn’t count other more established players we want to move on from.
We’re going to see a big change in personnel in 2017. I feel we have to move on from the old guard we have never won with. It’s the Ralph Kiner effect. When he hit 50 HRs for the Pirates back in the 40’s he went to ownership and asked for a raise. The owner said, we can finish last without you. LOL
It’s the kneeling.
It screwed our season.
The return game rules? LOL
just signed Bene Benwikere who was recently cut by Carolina. Another retread or castoff, but we need bodies to throw out there.
At least we don’t face Julio
Antonio comes up soon though.
Boom! Did they blow it up yet?
They probably wouldn’t do that right either. 😖
LOL
You made Hulk laugh
Sadly, I wasn’t trying to be funny…I’m serious.
Jones is one of my favorite Dolphins 5th round pick Pro-bowler
He just worked hard to get real good
D
I think TE is a much bigger need than WR. We’ll have Landry, Parker and Carroo next year, that’s a good start. If I had it my way, if there was a TE that was worth of a 2nd RD pick, I would do it.
agreed
We need a TE that is a seam threat … it almost seems like we’ve been saying that since David Martin was ignored after setting records with Fasano.
TE and ILB are our biggest needs followed by OG and CB.
Because we have 1 INT and our 3rd down offense sucks and our rush D sucks.
Im tired of wasting picks on OG so I’d much rather get just about position outside of that. Tanny isn’t the answer so I have no problem with a QB in the first if Gase likes him. We need impact players and I wouldn’t mind every pick being defense either. We do need to start looking into the future instead of always having 3-4 huge holes on the team. When Omar Kelly can see the weaknesses, so can just about anyone on Earth. Kinda tired of a drama reporter knowing more than our FO.
Target need positions with good young UFAs at a reasonable rate and BPA in the draft.
I’d really like to stay away from ufa’s since all we’ve been doing is giving these guys their paydays and getting very little in return from them. Seems these guys like to come to Miami and get paid and then go into vacation mode. No thanks.
Let’s build the team with young, hungry draft picks of our own.
I don’t what all this talk is about positions
There is one position to pick
!!!!LINEBACKER!!!!
LB and we can’t ignore the retreads and aging players at the DE position
Afternoon Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
Wyo 42-17 PIT
Piggy24-21 PIT
B’man38-13 PIT
MikeE24-23 MIA
Rock 41-6 PIT
Bold 27-7 PIT
GO PHINS!!!
Just three weeks left until the Fest. I can’t wait to see you guys.
10/23
D
I have mixed emotions on Tabor
He changed his name to Teez? Really?
Tabor was cited for marijuana possession in May 2014.
“My biggest issue with Tabor is his play against the run. He missed a lot of tackles in the games I studied. The LSU game was particularly rough for him. I charted four misses in that game. He left his feet and missed low tackles in every game I watched. He does show a willingness to get involved against the run, but he needs to drastically improve his reliability in this area.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000673227/printable/first-look-scouting-florida-cb-jalen-tabor ”
Sounds Like a fuck-up off the field!
Marlon Humphrey is the best CB in the draft. Probably the #2 prospect behind only Myles Garrett.
Brian
What’s your beef with Kelly?
Out of all the non running QB’s he is tops from what I’ve seen
That article is from last year. He admittedly was immature his sophomore year. He has 0 issue since then and his play has only gotten better, and Lou he is definitely better than Humphrey, more high end potential and currently skill set us better. That said I still think Humphrey is a really good CB and wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him either
Muschamps didn’t manage the players well so first year under Mcilwain they had a few players who needed straightening out. He seems to have that under control now and those problem players are walking the straight and narrow.
Only Myles Garrett makes me choose someone other than Tabor, and even then it would be a hard decision because I know we need CB more than pass rush
You guys aren’t SEC homers, who are y’all telling about these guys lol.
Y’all are in my backyard 🙂 get off my land! Jk. Jabril peppers is looking pretty good too. He could play safety, LB, CB, etc for us be moved all over and pretty much never leave the field.
Kelly is a potential head case Wyo. Brian had a point. I still think he is manageable but the dude did try to run out on the field at a HS game and fight after something he considered to beat a cheap shot on his brother and he did have so many issues at Clemson they kicked him out. The fight thing is recent so it is concerning but the Clemson stuff is a like 3 year’s removed so I am not as concerned with that
I use to be a real perfectionist when it came to players we choose but it was due to philbin not wanting to deal with those kind of guys. Hard reality is, these kids are really immature so you need to be a little forgiving and you need to learn to work with it, within reason
I JUST HATE MOVING!!! – – The move across town is set for Friday. This is about as much fun as basic training during the Vietnam War! –Thankfully,it doesn’t last as long! Will Ross’s streak of non-winning seasons last longer than the Vietnam War??
Sorry to hear that OD. At least it’s just across town and not across the country.
to answer your question: YES!
OD
I wasn’t around yesterday, why are you moving?
Those damn kids keep playing their damn music too loud
Wyo, you just need to watch Tabor’s film you will quickly see what I mean about not only his press and man coverages, but his zone skills, like break on the ball, and reading the play/QB. Really high football iq. Humphrey is pretty much at his top level. Tabor has room to get better. Tabor is a more physical and larger Hargreaves.
Mika Fitzpatrick of Alabama us a guy to keep a future eye on. He hasn’t come close to his potential, he is still raw and inconsistent but his ceiling is really high.
Have you been following Vernon Hargreaves? How’s he doing?
dude,
Humphrey is a rSo and he’s not going to get any better? Lol. I don’t think that’s very accurate.
Bookman
I must have screwed up, I have it down that way on paper.
BTW
did your DVR get Columbo last night, I’m still freaking out!
I think our NBC channel moved all their Sunday night shows to Me TV to make room for SNF
But they havent done that in the weeks past
Howie,
Yes it did record. I record it every Sunday night on ME TV.
D,
Tabor was suspended this year for a fight with a teammate. Anyways, I lean Humphrey. He’s a rSo and he’s a lockdown corner. He’s the type of guy the Pats take that stick in a wr’s hip pocket all day long. Plus, these Alabama guys are well coached and they don’t have the issues of other players because, if they do, it’s not tolerated.
So, I’ll stick with my Garrett/Humphrey #1/#2
D
Unfortunately if I want to watch some MWC I have to stay up past midnight/
That means I get inundated by the SEC! 😉
I wasn’t bad mouthing Tabor. I really like his play.
Players that have changed their names usually are head cases!
Isn’t that right Ocho Johnson dos Quatro puto?
There is one qb in this upcoming draft that I see that has the potential to be the franchise qb we need if they groom him correctly. He’s very smart as he’s trusted with the offense and has the ability to change the play at the line, he’s got very good pocket presence and avoids the rush very well, his accuracy is fantastic, has a very nice long ball throw, sets protections and has shown he’s able to beat the blitz.
However, I’m not saying who he is. It’s for me to know and for everyone else to find out.
Well, that was a waste of about 60 words, not including my reply.
don’t tell me you’re still stuck on the loser qb we have right now
Whether I’m still backing Tannehill or not has nothing to do with that pointless post. Just saying
well, that’s your opinion.
one would have to assume they don’t feel Doughty is the answer and I don’t think they feel Tannehill is either despite Gase saying he’s playing all year. So, IMO, they’re drafting a qb in the next draft and I think I have found the guy they should take. what’s the problem with that?
Lou
My reply had nothing to do with Tannehill.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
October 11, 2016 at 9:21 am
dude,
Humphrey is a rSo and he’s not going to get any better? Lol. I don’t think that’s very accurate.
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Has nothing to do with their year. You can see when a guy is showing flashes of better. Humphrey is solid but his althleticism and potential doesn’t jump off at you. I am not saying he cant refine what he has, im saying he is at his athletic potential.
well, his athletic potential must be extremely high if he’s a top 10 prospect.
I didn’t realize the Fins placed Misi on IR.
Pffffff. Our situation really sucks. Oh well, Vigil is back after this next game.
He didn’t really make an impact on the field, and I’m pretty damn sure he’s played his last game in a Dolphins uniform
what a complete and total waste of time it was having that schlep around all these years. Mr. Solid is going to finally be gone. Now, if they can get rid of Michael Thomas as well it would be great.
Got to love some of these agents out there… they really know how to sell it…
Barry Jackson wrote this yesterday:
Details on Dolphins adding Benwikere; Agent says Dolphins getting “starting caliber cornerback for free”:
Piggy knows, no Bene. lol
LOL! well played 🙂
Al
Compared to what we have though, he may be as bene as the rest, which is a sad state of affairs.
I think Lippett and Howard are better than him, imo, and probably McCain in the slot too. Maxwell has just been really disappointing and i think they are seeing some of the lack of effort we have been and are probably over him.
I don’t think Lippet is better at the moment, and right now Howard is injured. Maxwell should be cut, but we need bodies, and that’s about what he is right now.
Bene was a guy i liked coming out of college but i disagree with the statement about starting caliber. He just hasnt lived up to potential.
Well played…. yet another bene pun.
Lou, Tabor is equally well coached. UF has the best defense in the SEC, rated second overall in the nation. Alabama is 12th. I dont argue that Saban gets players ready, but im saying i think you are cutting short what UF has as well. I am a fan, no doubt, but im real too. I dont want bums on my pro team so if i am saying a UF player is good for us, or the best option, its not the UF fan in me thats saying it, its the Phins fan in me wanting that kind of player on our team.
That’s fine. I’m just not as big a fan of Tabor as you are. The kid’s got skills but I happen to like Humphrey better and don’t necessarily agree that he’s reached his ceiling yet. The kid’s not even out of college and when you see what he’s got to work with he’s only going to get better as a pro.
What I like about him is how he attacks plays on his side of the field. Doesn’t have to be a throw to his guy, he’s going towards the ball and he never stops. I don’t like guys jogging around expecting others to make plays. I see that too much in college and on the Phins.
McCain has been a slot guy but I still feel he can be a boundary it’s just that he won’t be that press guy that the DC claims he wants the boundary to be (I have seen too many pre-snap cushions to make me believe the DC is all in on being a physical defense).
His first NFL start was last season in Philadelphia and Matthews didn’t do shit (yea I know Bradford got hurt and all).
At this point, the Fins might be in a position where they were when they were able to acquire Chad Pennington.
However, given that their defense is no where near top 10, someone such as Tony Romo may elect to go elsewhere where team play is much better around the QB position (Denver, KC, etc).
Romo would look at game film from the last few weeks where Tannehill is getting hit every other play, and say NO THANKS!
I would start playing the youngsters going forward. At this point our goal should be finding out who is worth keeping next year (other than jones and landry). I wish we could dump suh and his salary. The Suh signing is one of the bigger blunders during Ross ownership era and there have been a few.
I hear ya but it’s not quite the situation yet where the season is completely lost even though it feels like it at 1-4. What is along your thought process is this, “play guys who take more risks because the safe ones aren’t creating shit”.
Boulder,
Offensively, they have to get RT to Parker much more than to Landry.
I love Landry but whenever Parker is one on one, Tannehill needs to force the ball in his direction.
I’d like to see more of Carroo as well, but there’s time. Stills is not the future, at least I don’t think he is, so I’d like to see more of Carroo going forward.
I dont think they re-sign him. He isnt a difference maker.
I think Caroo should get more snaps because as i said before, we are, or should be at the point of realization, this is a dead horse and its time to move on to getting some experience to the future/depth of the team. Even if Lippett isnt a starter in the making, having a backup or rotational guy who has real game experience strengthens the team from the bottom up. We can see how having talent at the top but none at the bottom sets us up for disaster, its exactly why we have OL issues, so we got to start somehow or somewhere
I agree. Stills needs to ride the pine going forward. HE’s playing for a contract and it won’t be with the phins. Play carroo.
Look, nearly every college kid gets popped for something Cam Robinson, the top OT in this next years draft, marijuana possession, and possession of a stolen handgun. Tim Williams one of the top DE/OLB prospects, illegal possession of a firearm. Laremy Tunsil, Noah Spence, etc etc.
These guys, no let me rephrase, these kids, make stupid decisions and if it looks like a pattern, or looks like its not manageable, fine, but that’s for coaches to decide because they are the ones dealing with them not us old dudes who think these kids should always be walking the straight an narrow.
Al,
Do you really think this team has anything to play for other than a good spot in the 2017 draft?
RT is probably going to be here next year to at least compete. I bet we draft or bring in another QB.
RT needs to time to throw to parker and right now the oline can’t block shit. So that’s why they’re not going to parker as often. There is no time to throw.
I also think Tannehill needs to target Parker more
he has no time to throw those deep routes.
It doesn’t necessarily have to bee a deep route
but I hear you
If Stills signed for cheap, I would keep him
its nice to stash speed away
but I would not spend too much on him
I probably just look to spend FA $ on OL
namely interior OL
nothing spectacular – just solid durable vets
I don’t want to draft any more failures on the OL….lol
Bene is actually a good signing despite the fact that Julio Jones crushed him
Starter caliber might be stretch
but our CBs aren’t very good
and he has some experience
Carrooooooooo
Boulder,
I know the OL is shit right now but I still see these f’ing coaches going with 5-7 step drop plays and RT taking these 5-7 step drops and sitting in the apex of his drop for a 2 seconds.
If you know the weaknesses, don’t play into it IMO.
Why the F are they not going with quicker shorter stuff.
I know the OL probably can’t create a passing lane for their life which will result in plenty of tipped passes but that’s better than getting your QB killed.
I’m also tired of not seeing misdirection, more designed QB draws out of the passing plays where RT goes back 5-7 steps.
I think Gase forgot how to call plays. When I watched manning throw a few years ago under Gase everything was out within 2 seconds.
I haven’t been impressed with Gase or Joseph. I don’t see why people think they’re anything special so far. The talent sucks but good coaches can do better than the shit show we’ve seen the last few weeks.
It would be nice if the Fins had at least 1 good TE …I want two of them
Boulder,
On Parker, I’d like to see more of him underneath on drag routes or something. Just get him the F’ing ball 🙂
agree. 2 step drops and get rid of the ball. The pats do it all the time.
BTW if we have a high draft pick
I’m thinking trade down
I would rather have 2 defensive first rounders than 1
and even better if you make that into 3
That is the kind of draft that can shape a team
I think we have a very good player in Suh
Get some top shelf talent around him
and at least we can build a good defense sooner rather than later
while we try to figure out WTF to do about QB
I guess we have to see the way the talent shapes up in the draft though
Suh’s contract is ridiculous. Which is why our backup talent sucks. When you pay one defensive player that much money, if there are injuries (they always are) the backups stink.
we had money to spend
we were well under the cap
we actually traded for a high salary CB (Maxwell) that another team with cap issues(eagles) wanted to unload
Suh’s contract has no effect on the roster around him
You can draft players and pay a low price – we didn’t
You can not take on dead end contracts (MAxwell) – we didn’t
You can use our entire cap space – we didn’t
We even added Mario Williams
we had money to spare after the Suh signing
we don’t have depth bc the FO failed to do their job
Its not Suh’s contract
Don’t give the FO that out
they didn’t make one mistake (signing Suh)
they made about a dozen mistakes
bc they are fuckfaces
a fuckface is more than a bad nose
is a bad nose, a double, bad complexion, a big forehead, a unibrown and a lazy eye…lol
Be back later.
The vikings just signed Jake Long. Is long really that much worse than turner?
Sparano is their OL coach
so he is a bit partial to him
I don’t know what Long has left
that is clearly a familiarity signing
We started Turner at LT last week. I bet long will be better than him.
Parker did fine on that drag route
There is no reason that should not work more often
sand it doesn’t require a lot of time to throw
unfortunately Ryan Tannehill managed to make a simple throw in a jump ball and he had to turn around and fight with the DB for the ball
So if you are running a drag you have to throw in front of the receiver
you may actually help the WR get YAC if you do that instead of relying on Landry to be Houdini
After seeing philbin and Gase, I’m starting to miss sparano. His teams were never soft like these bunch have been. I bet sparano would have done better with tanny than either one of these guys. Unlike Gase and Philbin, he was a run first coach.
Sparano’s last year was frustrating
but yes, he was physical
So was Campbell but he was left with soft personnel to work with
I’ll never be okay with a coach who doesn’t emphasize physicality again
I’m not sure Gase is a contributor to the softness yet
He may just need to break away from the foundation Philbin, Ireland, Hickey, and Tannebaum left for him
we will see
I’m just not ready to call Gase a softee yet
The coach has a lot to do with the team’s attitude. I bet if belicheat was coaching this same team they’d play with a different attitude and physicality.
So far I haven’t seen anything from this team that says they’re fighters.
Piggy
I think we’d be much better off trading Suh and gaining a valuable couple of picks for him. We’re not winning with him, and by the time team is ready to compete for a division and be a true contender for the playoffs, he’ll be done already. I say build a young team, and we will be good for years to come
no one would trade for suh and that contract. That’s a pipe dream.
Boulder
That’s what the contracts are now. Did you think the Giants would sign Olivier Vernon for 5YR/$85M? He’s at the going rate, and Vernon isn’t anywhere at the level of Suh.
Its just another big FA contract
and a lot of teams are doing them
See what Mike said about the Vernon contract
I agree
Its just a question of the compensation
and I doubt we would do better compensation wise
I’m okay trading everyone if we get a bunch of pics
But when you start trading guys you end up having a wholesale and then we just can’t fill the holes
You have the cap space to pay a Suh salary, if you are bringing in a bunch of young guys
and frankly I don’t think you can draft a player of his caliber unless you get lucky
Good defensive players sometimes play on bad teams
It happens a lot
He might be done by the time we are competitive
but he is probably the piece that can bring some stability
that said, if there we trade the entire team and have tons of pics – it will be fun for me
but I don’t want to do a firesale
Our team would be considerably better of we had Vontae Davis and Sean Smith (yes, Sean Smith) as our Starting CBs right now. We can’t just throw talent away like the wind blows the way we have
You build a team but clinging to the stronger parts and replacing the weaker ones with stronger parts
not by just replacing everything and seeing how it works out
You forgot we deferred a fair amount of Suh’s salary to next season, so in essence, we really didn’t have the money. Point is, we don’t need any player making $20-28M per year, because we’re not that one player away from being great, our defense BLOWS!
Boulder
The only thing that may screw up trading Suh is that we deferred some of his salary to next year, and that might be a big problem.
Boulder
I can’t get carried away with the Gase as a source of the problem this early into his career
I don’t think there is any reason to praise the guy
But I don’t know what he is yet
I admit I hated seeing posts/tweets about his “potential” and how great he was doing by giving our young guys a hard time when that was going on. And if I see any complimentary posts/tweets of Gase, steam might come out of my ears
but I am not ready to call him the source of the problem right now
Its too early for me to do that
Mike E. says:
October 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm (Edit)
You forgot we deferred a fair amount of Suh’s salary to next season, so in essence, we really didn’t have the money. Point is, we don’t need any player making $20-28M per year, because we’re not that one player away from being great, our defense BLOWS!
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it obviously doens;t make sense to have a big salary on a high team
but I just don’t want to do a firesale
if you accumulate picks and you have a piece like Suh in place
you can make a bad defense good fairly quickly
but the other side of that coin is
you can also make a bad defense quickly if you have enough picks
So the compensation is key
I’m less concerned with how bad they are now
and more concerned about how quickly you can fix that
I do believe defense can be changed dramatically with young players if you have enough young players contributing
Think about what we did with those Jimmy Johnson drafts once upon a time
Yeah man, that’s what I’m talking about. If we could get a 1st and a 3rd, even in different years for Suh, it would be worth it. Only thing that kills me is Mr. T will be making the choices.
Sometimes
even if you have a good FO (big “if” with Tannebaum) too many picks can backfire
it might be quantity over quality
but if we would be real interesting if we had a bunch of picks – multiple first rounders
It would be interesting to see how it plays out
and watch a bunch of young players get better
Piggy
Due to all the turnover we’ve had here with different coaches and different coordinators, we don’t really have a young talent base. We started this year on offense, but we need to do it on defense next year, although I believe on offense, we really need a quality TE too. Trading away older expensive assets allows you to do that.
I see Simms as a piece worth keeping
but other than that….(Piggy shrugs)
So I would say on offense the pieces we have are: Landry, Parker, Ajayi, Drake, Carroo, Grant (probably more ST), Sims, Tunsil…I probably I include James too despite his terrible year
so turn that around on defense
can you name that many players on defense
I have: Jones, Howard, Phillips and Suh….and maybe Alonso….maybe even lippett and bobby McCain although that might be wishful thinking
Just an FYI to everyone. I include young players on these lists despite their production.
the guys I cut out are guys that are high priced, older vets that appear to be past their prime
What if we ended up with 6 picks in the first two days of the draft
and they were 6 good picks
and all those rookies contributed in 2017
what of 4 or 5 of those picks were defensive players
and what if Suh was on the team as well
it would probably make Sunday easier to stomach in 2017
I’m not suggesting the offense doesn’t need work
IT DOES
It needs a fucking makeover
but part of that makeover is the QB position (which is no easy fix) and the OL which we have miserably failed to improve despite significant investment
So I’m a little queasy about it
Mike,
They redid Suh contract last year to get more cap space this year. It did get moved back if I remember correctly.
So its decided then
we will have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds in 2017
5 of those picks will be on defense
and 1 of those picks will be a TE
LOL
Just kidding guys
That would be fun!
It would be fun from Jan through most of April
And then on draft day
we might all be line “WTF?!?!”
Al im understanding the whole mathematically not eliminated deal, but again, its not like we are looking at a team that has lost because of wierd circumstances or has been really close in its games this year. We look horrible and we keep looking worse every game. There is also a likelihood factor to the “we turn this around” statement and i know you understand that this team isnt going to do that. Playing the young guys is nothing more than an admission that we are really bad, which even the coaches are saying now. It does us more harm not to face that reality and continue banging our heads against the wall when at the very least we could be getting better for next year.
I dont think Suh is anywhere near a problem and is in need of getting rid of, not to mention we would carry a TON of dead money. Trades dont rid us of any of that. Trade and cut are the same penalty when it comes to dead money and next year, after the deferment it would be a BIG negative. I also just plain don’t think its necessary, and i think we actually have some pretty good DT’s.
Mike you do know a trade isnt going to do us any good, we will still be paying him that much, just a matter of if we pay him that much and have him on the team or pay him that much so he can play for someone else.
You pay him that year, but doesn’t the other team pay the rest?
Not him, but the penalty money.
Piggy who are we going to trade with that has 2 firsts?
Im with Piggy. We’ve wasted enough high picks on offense. That is a huge reason our defense sucks. We’ve used tons of 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders on WRs, OL, TE, etc. The early defensive talent we drafted, we got rid of. Stupid FO decisions have gutted this team. We will have that early pick we can get lots of picks for. we need to use it wisely.
Trumpkin!
He’s grabbing her right in the pottery
Jamie Collins and Kevin Zeitler are my targets in FA, both will be somewhat expensive, but both would really shore up weak spots of our team. Also you guys are worried about Tanny’s contract, its made to get out of THIS coming year.
This quote came from after the contract was signed in 2015.
“Basically, the Dolphins must believe Tannehill is worth the $18 million in base salary and workout bonus he’s owed in 2017, or they could walk away from the deal and create a cap savings of roughly $18 million.
So if Tannehill is worth $18 million exiting the 2016 season, he’s a keeper. If he’s not, he’ll be flushed.”
We clear up 18 mil in cap space by cutting or trading him. We lose 22mil+ cutting or trading Suh.
D the only team that has 2 firsts as far as I know is Philadelphia
But it’s so far away
That’s really unpredictable in early October
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/10/11/the-tape-dont-lie-tennessee-titans-at-miami-dolphins-a-review/
i say they trade or cut every player. then for the 2017 season eat all the cap money and have not a single player on the team and just forfeit every game. that way at least the games and score will be competitive.
that will nab us the 1st overall in 2017 and 2018
So it might work
Its basically what the 76rs are doing in the NBA
As long as we don’t cut the cheerleaders, Wyo is cool with it
The only player on this team that anybody would give up a first round pick for would be Suh. Nobody else is worth that.
Can’t disagree with that at all
I’d do it in a second if we could get it too
Gase said. “We built this defense to play with a lead…..”
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Um, why? That’s some terrible self-scouting right there. What has this offense done in 5 years that would suggest we were gonna be able to score much? This makes no sense.
Why is one aspect
And I don’t know why they believe that
but at least its honest
they put a premium on pass rushers
and ignored LBs as if they were not expected to be on the field
I’ve been saying it for weeks
the team was built for a high octane passing attack and to score a lot
And that is why the play of the QB is such a huge letdown
I don’t understand why anyone would try to build the 2015 Saints
but I think that was the vision
…idiots
think we’d be much better off trading Suh and gaining a valuable couple of picks for him
Mike E, you don’t get comp picks for players you trade away. They only count for players you loose in Free Agency and only if they perform for their new team. (that’s why the comp picks are awarded the FOLLOWING year)
I didn’t mean compensatory picks, I meant draft picks in return for Suh, hopefully a 1st and another pick
Randy
When the Vikings give a 1st rounder for Sam Bradford
you can’t tell me that a team would not give up a 1st for Tannehill
I think a team a player or two away could possibly offer a 1st rd pick for Reshad Jones. Not saying it’s going to happen though. I don’t think we’re going to totally turn over the roster in the offseason but there will likely be some significant changes.
He’s a probowl player
but few teams are desperate for a safety
and probably more likely to just draft one in the first two rounds
it would have to be a team with a heavy emphasis on defense and a team on the cusp
Wow Gase doesn’t play around.
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
#Dolphins have informed OL Billy Turner that he’s going to be released, source said.
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
A league source tells me Dallas Thomas also getting cut. Team is adding Sam Young.
Wow is right. Can’t argue though, he hasn’t done a positive thing since he’s been here
They were so bad in the Titans game Gase probably feels he can’t put them out there again. Why keep them then?
If they arent working out, right now is as good a time as any to get someone else.
Play Steen at guard if needed.
Regarding our ongoing pizza debate, last night I ate at Grimaldi’s, famous for their pizza under he Brooklyn Bridge. We went to the one in Hoboken, and the pizza was excellent.
and i think we actually have some pretty good DT’s.
How would we tell? The defense lines them up with 5 yards between them. They line up where DE’s usually line up in a 3-4. It’s no wonder teams are running at will up the middle of our offense! they have 5 yard wide wholes to run through and one of the guards is always available to block our MLB because our DT’s our “penetrating”.
But if you look at the Lions the year before Suh left
They are playing the same scheme
and they were very good against the run
I don’t know what the difference is
but I keep suggesting LBs
it does seem like the DL has wide open gaps though
it looks easy to run against our D irrespective of personell
before the 2009 season Jay Cutler was traded to the Bears for 2009 & 2010 first round picks, a 2009 3rd round pick and Kyle Orton
The Bears also received a 5th rounder
Please don’t tell me that no one would trade a 1st rounder for Ryan Tannehill
You’re probably right.
Joe Schad @schadjoe
Miami Dolphins also cutting Jamil Douglas per NFL source. Miamo guts its OL depth and starting over.