So the Dolphins have already made a splash in FA, and that splash is the releasing of some Dolphins back into the sea of free agency.
So far, as of this morning, the Dolphins have released DE Mario Williams, DT Earl Mitchell and CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. Mario Williams appeared in 13 games last seasons, and appeared is about right. He was as much as a spectator as us fans! He started 5, which means he got to see the action a little closer. Earl Mitchell battled injuries last season, and played in 9 games, starting 5. CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu was on IR this past season, still not fully recovered from his previous injury. He was waived/injured, and then eventually put on IR, and now his times with the Dolphins comes to and end as he was released.
Perhaps the biggest news was the report that OT Branden Albert was to be released, only then did the Dolphins pull him back (so to speak) because there was possible trade interest. Why would anyone want to trade for Albert? Simple, his salary is very manageable for a solid LT at just under $8.9M, so to have that control, rather than pick him as a FA, where he may want a higher contract, and may get it is to a team’s advantage. We’ll keep on eye on this situation as there were rumors about the Dolphins making a trade for a CB.
Some are skeptical of the cuts, and rightfully so, but I like the direction we’re heading. I don’t like to count on players that have proven they shouldn’t be counted on.
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I’m not worried about Howard at all. I think he would be a great pick for us, if he’s there. I think he’s a pretty safe bet. Mostly because he’s not just an athletic receiver, he’s a blocker too, and will help out the run game.
But do you pass up top end pass rush or LB play for a TE when you have possible starting TEs in round 5? Hopefully FA clears up the draft board.
That all comes down to how high they have Howard rated, the top DE prospects you speak of, and how well they think of the TE’s in the 5th RD. Gase’s offense has revolved around the TE in DEN and CHI, and it’s fair to think that’s how he prefers it. I get what you’re saying, the depth at TE is deeper than at DE or LB, BUT, if Gase thinks that Howard makes this offense special, I’m all for it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/17/report-dolphins-looking-at-trade-options-for-a-cornerback/
What I don’t understand is why a big name player? We have Maxwell, Howard, Lippett and McCain. If we’re going to spend big money on a position on defense, it should be DE or LB. This seems strange to me.
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In regards to the cuts Mike…I’m not skeptical at all as these were moves that needed to be made. I’m more skeptical of the CB trade rumor.
Da guy right above you is though 🙂
The moves they made should be moves that allows the team to protect Tannehill, Ajayi, & Co to function without taking unnecessary hits. This cap room should be used also to help fortify the front 7….not overpay for a CB.
When news of a trade hit, my first thought was Kyle Fuller on CHI. They need OL help badly, and if the trade were for even up Albert for Fuller, a guy with high end potential, it would make sense. I don’t get trading future assets for a CB like Sherman or Talib though, who may not have a lot left
I like ketchup on everything too.
I’ve become partial to BBQ sauce over ketchup in my elder years. lol
Same hear….less acidic.
I think it’s safe to say Gase is most likely not satisfied with the inability to move the ball on offense and will do some things this offseason to try and rectumfy that siteationn.
A good run blocking TE who can also be a mismatch in the passing game could help with that but it’s also not going to solve everything all by itself. Our QB needs to be given more time in the pocket to push the ball up the field more and we also need to be a lot more consistent running the football.
Our offensive line really needs to get closer to the point where we can run the ball at will like Dallas does and we pass protect so Tannehill can stand back there and pretty much survey the field at will like Brady does.
I know that’s a tough fix but a TE that can run block and create a mismatch in the passing game is only going to be able to do so much. It’s going to need to be a mix of things, like solidify the o-line, get your TE AND we need DVP to pick it up a notch and become the wr we envisioned him being when he was drafted.
WRs are adversely affected when the line is spotty. Doesn’t give them time to get into their deep route combos effectively. We saw when given time Gases combos get WRs open deep. I’d like to see the OL be able to let Ajayi do work more consistently. If Ajayi played behind the Dallas OL I have a feeling he could’ve pushed for a 2,000yd season. Nearly 1300yds behind patchworked OL’s.
Parker definitely needs to fulfill his promise.
not only would Ajayi have benefited but Drake and Williams as well. We have a very good stable of rb’s and with an offensive line that’s solid throughout the year we’re going to be able to work with all 3 and move the ball effectively.
Williams showed last season what he could do running the ball inside; he’s a tough runner. Thing is the o-line is so inconsistent that none of our rb’s could do it on a consistent basis. Ajayi had two fantastic games and a couple other good games but it wasn’t a consistent running game all season.
And, despite the number of sacks going down there was still too much pressure; especially on 3rd down that killed our drives.
The main run game consistency all year was Ajayi yards after contact…absolutely amazing what he did. It’d be really nice if the line got him into the LB’s consistently.
yeah, imagine Ajayi not getting first contact until after 5 yds like Elliot
Parker has been disappointing, but sometimes WR’s take longer to develop. Landry has been Landry right out of the box, but Parker hasn’t given us that red zone target we’d hoped for as of yet, but some of that is on the QB too.
The thing w/ Parker is when he is on his game he reaches levels no other WR on the squad can. It’s just been infrequent though.
that’s true. he shows glimpses of what he CAN be but he’s too inconsistent. don’t know if it’s a maturity issue or what but this is the season he needs to show what he can do every week.
A DVP who becomes the player the team envisioned him being when he was drafted will go a long way to helping the team making it back to the playoffs again.
I think maturity is part of the problem. For example I read that for some reason he enjoys recording himself on instantgram or something while he’s driving and rapping looking directly into the camera vs the road.
mmm. that’s interesting.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article133322754.html
Just read that. Jags are the team after Albert…the one thing I don’t get is, does Albert have a clause of his right to refuse a trade like Carmelo Anthony?
I can recall some instances where trade talks were killed due to a player’s unwillingness to want to play for the acquiring team. So, I don’t believe there needs to be any clause in the contract.
If the player doesn’t want to go to the other team and is adamant about it the other team doesn’t want a player who’s not going to want to be there.
So the player can’t “block” the trade by saying I don’t want to play there, but can influence by refusing to renegotiate, sit out, or retire.
concerning the trade for Albert
Nice piece Mike
It’s also notable that ketchup does not go well with pork
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when I make a pork roast in the crock pot I smother it with pepper an roasted garlic and herb seasoning. I usually have about 40 different species of animals surrounding my house at that time.
Mike I’m not skeptical of the cuts. I’m just not in agreement in how some were handled, specifically Albert. What I’m concerned about is what this FO plans to do with the FA period and the draft in year two. I don’t want a repeat of the last two regimes. People can say this one is different but those same people said that the last two regimes. If the FO is serious about building this team the right way then they’ll show it this offseason. We had success and that’s great, but I don’t want to mortgage the future because we came close and fell short and now they try to get a short boost.
I’m not so disappointed by Parker
I don’t know how much more production we can squeeze from him
Especially if we being in a TE to open up the offense
There are only so many balls to go around
I sort of expect Parker to be a talented but infrequent contributor to the offense
Not a Dez Bryant alpha receiver type
I think Landry is our high reception guy and I’m comfortable with that role
I think targeting Landry as much as we do is part of the problem. It could be due to a lack of protection or lack of effectiveness of other’s at getting open but we need to be able to push the ball up the field more and that’s where guys like Parker and Stills come in.
I also think being able to get the ball a bit further up the field on passing plays opens things up more for Landry as well and will make him an even more effective wr.
If we can get DVP more involved in the offense I think Landry is able to get deeper on his routes too and will benefit from it.
I think that final drive vs the Rams Trumaine Johnson shows just how dominant he can be. What he did in that drive vs an excellent corner was jaw dropping. You just want to see The consistency pickup
I agree. He shows glimpses of what he can be. He just needs to do it more consistently.
In South Texas people sprinkle black pepper into their ketchup before dipping their fries. They like a little spice rather than the sweetness with all the sugar being put into ketchup these days. The more you learn, the more you know. 🙂
I used to do that as a kid😂
I’m not concerned about Parker yet. He’s just entering year three.
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I think if you put Howard head to head with the LB’s only Foster would come close.
As far as DE’s Garrett, Barnett, and maybe Thomas. may be better prospects.
Taco probably is a wash.
JMHO
Tak has to be in the conversation as well. And I think we have to keep in mind what they’re trying to accomplish on the defensive side of the ball.
If they wait to go defense the type of player they’re looking for on defense just isn’t going to be there.
If Tak puts up the 4.4 it’s over. Coaches will work on the hand moves & counter rushes…but you can’t teach hustle & infuse elite athleticism at his size.
I guess what I’m getting at is you have the availability of better pass rushers in RD 1 who could make a huge difference and then it drops off. I don’t think you see the severe drop off at the TE position that you do at the DE & LB spots.
that’s very true and you also have to consider the type of guy they’re looking for. there’s not a lot of them out there. You’ve got Tak, Smoot and Phillips topping the list of guys who fit the mold of what they’re looking to do at DE and that’s it.
SB
I get your concerns, but I think you’re jumping the gun. We haven’t gone crazy yet, but we do have money to spend. I would love for them to sign one of the top OG’s, preferably Zeitler, but Leary or Land are fine too, and then a mid level LB like Malcolm Smith, and a DE, and then some smaller depth signings. I don’t want them to go crazy either. I don’t think signing Zeitler is going for broke though, I think bringing in a young talent at a position that has dogged us for years is a smart move, even if he’s very expensive.
I only said I was concerned. How am I jumping the gun? I just don’t want history to repeat itself. We’ve got one year in with these guys. They haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt yet.
Problem with Leary, and I know he’s played some years already, is he went undrafted due to a degenerative knee issue.
LOL SB – Your concerns are jumping the gun. Like I’m concerned they’re going to trade all our picks away. 🙂
Lou
So we should be leery of Leary?
hehehehehe.
Mike,
Well I can’t be concerned after the fact. It hasn’t happened yet. Lol.
Good point
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
February 17, 2017 at 10:37 am (Edit)
when I make a pork roast in the crock pot I smother it with pepper an roasted garlic and herb seasoning. I usually have about 40 different species of animals surrounding my house at that time.
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including a pig with a picket sign
The original “Eat mor chikin”
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So the new rumor is we could possibly trade Albert to JAC for Julius Thomas?
That would give us the opportunity to concentrate on defense in the draft. I’m not sure about Thomas, he’s been somewhat of a dud in JAX.
I think Armando just threw that name out there because of the link to Gase.
Both remaining two years of contracts are similar to one another but I’d hope also that the trade would be player for player with no other compensation in there like we have to give up a draft pick.
I don’t care if it’s a 7th rd pick I don’t want to give it up.
and considering the Jags need at LT I think we should be the one’s to receive additional compensation in the trade, in anything.
we’re doing them a favor by hanging on to him instead of cutting him and we’re taking a player from them who’s done little in his past two seasons.
So, give us something as well.
play hardball. “well, we’re not really interested in Thomas. His cap hit is too high right now and we feel we can get a TE in the draft comparable to him and much cheaper”.
Yeah Lou, WE should be getting compensated if anything. It could be straight up. Mando is throwing sh*t against the wall just like the rest of us.
I like throwing ketchup against the wall. And pork.
Fuck Thomas. I want David Putney.
I want Blueberry Chutney.
Ngakoue would be a good player to get in the trade. I’d maybe give something in addition to Albert for him.
D-Bolt
You had to bring up Carmelo Anthony?
LOL…you know my hate runs deep for him😂
maybe clearing all the cap room of oft-injured guys also will allow Fins to go ahead and lock up Landry.
His warrior mentality at WR position is invaluable to the offense’s identity. I don’t worry about Parker either… he’s got the great hands… and Landry will model the attitude.
I think it’s a good sign the team is willing to part with these guys and move on. Past regimes would hang on to players like they just couldn’t let them go and I think it was to the detriment of the team as it held them back from bringing in other talent that could have helped.
Saying goodbye to players isn’t something that’s always easy to do but it’s a necessary evil if you want the team to continue to get better and move forward. In a couple more years I think the roster is going to have so many talented players that fans are going to be arguing over guys who are let go and traded to make room for other FA’s and draft picks.
Misi will probably be let go soon too and it’s something I’ve been pounding the table for for awhile. In the past, the argument was “who’s going to replace him” but that’s the point. We never went out either in FA or the draft to replace him and that’s not the way you get better.
JMHO
The real problem is all the DE’s and the LB mentioned with Howard will more than likely be gone when we pick @ 22
I still haven’t made up my mind on Cunningham?
Mike E. says:
February 17, 2017 at 9:01 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/17/report-dolphins-looking-at-trade-options-for-a-cornerback/
What I don’t understand is why a big name player? We have Maxwell, Howard, Lippett and McCain. If we’re going to spend big money on a position on defense, it should be DE or LB. This seems strange to me.
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It could be conjecture on the part of the “reporter”, more opinion than anything, but it might also include dropping one salary for another. So its possible part of the trade would be Move Maxwell to a team that might better suit him (although our system pretty much does as well) and in return get one of their higher priced guys who might fit ours better. I have seen teams do that for players that were under performing but had histories of better play. Some people just need a new home to revitalize their careers. Again, this is just my thoughts being put in here, i have no idea what the reality of this situation is.
I think the against the wall to see what sticks is right.
I think the Albert of Thomas thing sorta kinda makes sense. Albert still has value, his health has always been shaky and that doesn’t get better with age, he has a decent price tag savings as a cut or trade, we could use a TE upgrade, Tunsil has shown potential to take over there, etc. However i wuldnt feel like they would try to shake anything up on the OL without securing first, an addition to it that would make the move a less destabilizing move.
If we grab a top OG in FA i could see a trade going down later and i believe if it does you can expect a fairly high draft pick going to OL, like starting caliber.
there really would be no savings if we trade Albert straight up for Thomas. The cap hit is almost the same.
that being said, it’s also a reason why I think we have to make it clear to the Jags that we come out on top of the trade with a little extra or there’s no deal.
that also needs to be part of our culture change. we need to make teams aware that we’re not going to be always the one’s giving up something extra when it comes to trades.
We’re doing the Jags a favor by hanging on to Albert. So, if we trade them for Thomas we should come out of on top.
Now, if we trade for someone like Ngakoue, for instance, then you can see them giving a little extra to the Jags. but not for Thomas.
wyoming85 says:
February 17, 2017 at 11:45 am
The real problem is all the DE’s and the LB mentioned with Howard will more than likely be gone when we pick @ 22
I still haven’t made up my mind on Cunningham?
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I have, Cunningham, at some position on the LB line, will make out team stronger. Only thing i havent figured out yet is if he would be the MLB or an OLB for us. I think his instincts and play recognition is better than Alonzo’s because Alonzo’s isnt that good so i would think MLB, but he also might not be a bad guy to park opposite of Alonzo as a OLB, and get a guy like Anzalone, Beckwith, or Walker to be your MLB, with a subsequent selection.
I still think we need to see what goes on with the Albert trade and FA before speculating on the draft. What happens prior will most definitely change priorities.
Example: Let’s say we do trade Albert for say Julius Thomas, and we sign a top guard in FA whomever that may be, that definitely points to defense early in the draft. And say we sign two LBs in FA, maybe not top tier but have been steady performers and deemed upgrades to what we had. That points to other defensive positions in the draft.
you gotta think that if the Jags cut Thomas MIA and playing for his old OC would be a top destination for him because it’s where he’s had his most success. so, trading for Thomas and eating his current contract doesn’t make a lot of sense.
If they want the player though then it does. If Thomas doesn’t pan out his dead cap is only $2.4M in 2018 so you can recoup $7.4M and move on from the contract.
not when you consider what I just said. If he gets cut by the Jags who’s on the top of his list of teams he wants to play for? You think he wants to go into another situation like JAX or you think he’d rather play for the team that has his old OC as the HC; since that’s the time in his career when he had the most success?
I think MIA becomes his top destination.
How do you know the Jags are going to cut him? They would eat $6.6M in dead cap and save only $1.7M.
I don’t. I’ve heard rumors just like the rumor about us wanting to trade Albert for him. Could be another player we’re more interested in.
plus, the Jags have $70M in cap space to play with right now. Eating Thomas’ dead money is nothing.
Plus the Jags just paid him a $3M roster bonus. They’re not likely to cut him. And just as Jax would have to negotiate a contract with BA, Miami would be negotiating a contract with Thomas.
That’s why the two teams are looking into a trade. It’s better for both of them if they want to move on from the players.
Personally, I think the Phins should be more interested in Aaron Colvin than Julius Thomas.
Lou, no team wants to eat $6.6M to save $1.7M. That’s not good business.
I don’t think Thomas is the player we’re going after anyway. I also agree that you don’t let $3M of his contract guarantee and then cut him or trade him. So, when it happens it happens. Until then, I’m finished talking about Thomas.
I think the Thomas talk is premature to begin with. It’s only a name Armando threw out there and when you look at what Thomas did in his last two yrs with the Jags is he really guaranteed to be an upgrade at TE for us? Maybe. Maybe not.
So, I’m not going to worry about it anymore until we have a better idea of what’s going to happen.
That’s the best way to go about it. But I see how the trade makes sense for both teams.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. Thomas hasn’t exactly been anything great since he signed with JAX. Maybe he’s one of those players who got the big money and quit.
Davon House has zero dead money and Jags are looking to get rid of him. I said Aaron Colvin because he’s an upgrade in the nickel to what we’ve got but House makes a lot of sense too. Either makes a lot more sense than Thomas does.
well, the dead money doesn’t matter to us because we’d be picking up his $6M/yr next two yrs unless we get him to renegotiate but he still makes a lot more sense.
yes, I’m responding to myself.
Lou, if Gase likes Thomas and wants him because he feels it will upgrade the offense who’s to say it doesn’t make sense? Wins and losses are his responsibility, not ours. It’s his team and he should build it the way he wants to.
yeah, but the point is moot. you’re making an assumption here that Thomas is the guy we’re looking at and, personally, I think it ends up being someone else.
My money is on Aaron Colvin. we need an upgrade in the nickel. House would be my 2nd bet.
I’m speculating on that rumor, nothing more. I’m not even saying I love it or hate it just discussing the possibility.
I can definitely get behind Albert and a pick for Telvin Smth. In a heartbeat, but the Julius Thomas doesn’t do much for me
You just woke up Son with that!
agreed about Thomas
Telvin Smith would be a real asset to our pass defense
yeah, when I look at some of the assets the Jags have on their team Julius Thomas would be one of the one’s I’d be least interested in. Considering what we’re looking to do on D I’d hope they’d be more interested in Ngakoue, Smith and Colvin before Thomas.
My ideal situation would be a 2017 draft pick
but that doesn’t seem likely and I would rather go player for player than get a 2018 draft pick
a young talented defender makes the most sense
we’re dead in the water in the nickel with McCain and Thomas and Thomas might be very good on special teams but he can’t cover worth a shit.
makes sense to me they’d be more interested in a cornerback who can play the nickel rather than a has-been tight end.
Like i said, i have no real reason to think the Thomas trade has any merit, but swapping even on cap hits, and the other commonalities actually make it make more sense than not. Thomas isnt an aging vet he is in the prime of his career so again, the trade has points that do make it have possible merit, but i don’t think you destabilize the OL unit, trading or cutting a big contributor without some sort of players secured that might fill in the gap left behind.
If you think that they almost cut him, you can’t worry too much about what they get back in a trade, at least from that perspective.
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Looks like we tipped our hand too soon with Albert may have told him he was going to be cut before we had gotten some calls interested in trading for him. If true we pretty much fucked ourselves out of any leverage in trade negotiations.
Or we had no takers then JAC came in late and said we’d rather trade for him than compete for his services.
Well yeah and thats fine but it means we dont have leverage on this trade, we take what they offer or they will just take their chances.
They are pretty high up on the waiver priority i think.
They’re the ones interested. All it is for us is to get something that would have been for nothing. Why are you trying to create “a we did something bad” scenario? We don’t lose in any scenario.
Maybe, maybe not. Teams usually know that a player is disposable once you start offering them as trade bait. What it comes down to is if a team wants to give Albert a shot, and likes him at his current salary, and doesn’t want him to hit the FA market where his price can go up in a bidding war, we might have a shot
I think Telvin is to vital for their defense for them to give up in trade epecially if we already pretty much said just wait long enough and we will cut him. I think we basically would have to take something the Jags want to get rid of, which probably wont be a high draft pick and it wont be anyone important to them. This makes Thomas make even more sense now. I didnt see that we told Albert we were going to cut them then pulled a “oh wait a minute” before we actually pulled the trigger. Very sloppy of them. If they are willing to give much of anything up, its going to be on their terms im sure, dolphins have 0 leverage.
D
I don’t think waivers apply at this point. If a player is released, he is a FA, and I don’t believe he’s on waivers.
After the end of trade deadline which is week 8 until the beginning of the new NFL yar, which is sometime in march, any player released goes through waivers. Waivers is a year round thing, but if a player has accrued more than 4 years of service, and he is cut sometime after the beginning of the new NFL year, and trade deadline, then he is immediately a FA. Cut right now, he would go through waivers.
That’s not what I remember reading D, I have to check up on that
I think vested vets like Albert void waivers and that’s why reportedly JAC looked to trade for him. There’s gotta be a reason they came calling if they did at all. I would expect the Giants to be interested in Albert. Everyone is down on Flowers.
Im not trying to say we did something wrong Tim, well not really, i just think if we really wanted to trade him, we stepped on ourselves. We had plenty of time to think about it, there was no need to ush to cutting him or telling him we were. We could have held out a little loner.
D, you actually had it right in the beginning of your post. Players with more than 4 years of service when cut are FA’s, no waivers. Anything less than 4, they have to go through waivers.
I don’t think you’re looking at the situation the right way. You don’t know what we did prior and maybe it was a last minute move by JAC because they didn’t think it through.
Tim Knight says:
February 17, 2017 at 4:26 pm
I think vested vets like Albert void waivers and that’s why reportedly JAC looked to trade for him. There’s gotta be a reason they came calling if they did at all. I would expect the Giants to be interested in Albert. Everyone is down on Flowers.
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Yes Tim but only during the period of beginning of the year through the trade deadline, otherwise its an everyone clears waivers process. I can quote a source if ya need to read it yourself….
“How long does the waiver period last?
Technically, the waiver period is year-round, spanning from the day after one Super Bowl to the day after the next. However, there is an important date midway through the NFL season that changes the rules. Between the beginning of the new period and the day of the NFL trade deadline in Week 8 of the following season, all of the rules explained above apply. After the trade deadline, however, any player released by a team, regardless of years accrued, must pass through the waiver wire. This is why Ed Reed, a 12-year vet, had to pass through waivers after he was released by the Texans during Week 11 last season.”
Okay maybe JAC came calling for a trade to not lose out to SF or CHI. I’m just going by why they said hold the phones.
We were clearing cap space to put our FA plan together so we can start targeting players. Maybe we didn’t have any offers and didn’t want to wait. So in the big scheme of things it was cap space and that’s it vs. cap space and compensation, or a player of similar cap space. We don’t lose in any scenario, we choose what’s available and make a deal, or we move on.
They are only no waivers IF its the period between the first of the NFL year, through trade deadline…see above.
http://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/
NFL Waiver System Overview May 20, 2015
The NFL and NFL Players Association Collective Bargaining Agreement sets forth specific rules for how NFL clubs can claim and release players using the NFL’s waiver system. Here is how the process works.
The waiver system allows player contracts or, in certain cases, a club’s NFL rights to a player to be made available by one club to the other clubs in the league.
The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status.
Once a club waives a player, the 31 other clubs either file a claim to obtain him or they waive their chance to do so (thus the origin of the term “waiver”). Clubs are assigned players on a priority basis. From the first business day after the Super Bowl until the day after the third regular season week, assignments are based on a claiming order that is the same as the order in which clubs selected in that year’s Draft. From the beginning of the fourth regular season weekend through the Super Bowl, assignments are based on the inverse order of their win-loss record. For example, a team with fewer wins will be awarded a player off waivers ahead of a team with a better record. If a player passes through waivers unclaimed, he becomes a free agent.
Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.
The last paragraph answers your Ed Reed scenario. So right now, If Albert was released, he’s a FA. No waivers.
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Tim Knight says:
February 17, 2017 at 4:30 pm
I don’t think you’re looking at the situation the right way. You don’t know what we did prior and maybe it was a last minute move by JAC because they didn’t think it through.
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Im looking at it the right way, i know stuff like this happens, i just dont see why they felt they had to do this right now. They had plent of time to try to find a trade partner, and i do know this has probably been going on a while, im just not sure why with so much time left before they HAD to make the decision to cut, why they did it so early. I completely see why cutting Williams makes sense to do now, i could see it if they cut Misi right now, i just dont see how a guy who has usefulness to us had to be cut without some other things lined up. I would definitely not have cut him until i had something lined up for another player to add to the OL
What if all 32 teams said no interest, then JAC said hold on? That’s what I think you keep leaving out. The only reason I’m saying this is because this is what I’m thinking. I’m wondering why the sudden halt?
Im hoping the halt is because there was actually more than one person that has thrown their hat in.
Ok the site i quote from said from end of trade deadline through beginning of the new period…. which wouldn’t be until next NFL year starts… i found a few more that did say end of regular season so that makes it the Superbowl as the end.
Still waivers or not, we dont have as much leverage with Jacksonville as to pick any player we want kind of thing or think we can expect a high draft pick, etc. They are still pretty much in the drivers seat on the trade, or at very least the most persuasive back seat driver EVAH!
What we need is a couple other teams to take this opportunity to jump in, maybe some that were previously waiting for us to cut. Maybe with Jax showing interest it pushes them to step up and then we could actually see a chance to leverage a little more out of someone, whomever is the strongest suitor.
pheloniusphish says:
February 17, 2017 at 4:47 pm
I love ketchup on fried pork chops….
And Chicharrone…
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If its a good fried pork chop, i dont want anything that would mess with the flavor. I dont think i have ever tried them on chicharrones
I do like the vinegar based sauces with anything that is a little greasy, helps cut it some.
Damn didnt see Mitchell got cut. IMO you can do a lot worse than him, though i would have expected him to take a more rotational role than he has in the past.
It appears we’re not happy with durability and performance at a certain cost with some guys. It’s phase two of a new regime. Not uncommon.
I know, there were several players i thought met that marker, BA was one but he would have been one of the last ones i addressed, and again it would have been after i had made certain i had a good plan for not leaving the OL weaker than before i traded/cut him. Mitchell i though was just outside that evaluation. This year was the first he spent any significant time hurt, and his cost is still pretty affordable as far as DT’s that are productive. His injury must be more concerning than has ever been reported, otherwise i think his productivity should have easily been worth 4mil.
D
Do you even read my articles? LOL
WTF
What is with all the pork talk today!
What kind of work is this?!?!
MANIACS EVERYWHERE
Nothing like a good piece of hickory…….smoked bacon.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-jaguars/0ap3000000786485/Garafolo-Jaguars-in-talks-to-acquire-Branden-Albert-from-Dolphins
There you have it! It sounds legit.
D, didn’t Mitchell come back with a vengeance and then go down again? His dead cap was right on time – $500K. No doubt the team is not where they want it.
Had a nice return on the WC trip then fell off the wagon play wise.
Well hell….just typed a long answer back to D only to have it disappear.
That’s happened to me. Close out and come back.
sb7mvp says:
February 17, 2017 at 10:30 am
Mike I’m not skeptical of the cuts. I’m just not in agreement in how some were handled, specifically Albert. What I’m concerned about is what this FO plans to do with the FA period and the draft in year two. I don’t want a repeat of the last two regimes. People can say this one is different but those same people said that the last two regimes. If the FO is serious about building this team the right way then they’ll show it this offseason. We had success and that’s great, but I don’t want to mortgage the future because we came close and fell short and now they try to get a short boost.
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“mortgage the future” because of what? To hang around at 10-6 and not be good enough for a few more years? This team is set up to go for it now even with some changes. To me it’s a 1-2 year window. Change of the guard and new contracts coming.
Have we heard if they even looked into trade interest for Albert before they announced the cut? Or, was that truly their way of finding out if there was interest? I’m not sure why you wouldn’t explore trade options.
I guess it could be a courtesy to the player to allow him to pick the team he goes to.
Tim,
I do not believe this team is a serious playoff contender. If our schedule is truly as tough as they predict it to be next year, I won’t be surprised if we don’t even make the playoffs. I believe(might be wrong) we had THE easiest schedule in the NFL last season. Even with that, this team barely tipped it’s toe in the murky playoff waters last year and were spanked, soundly. It usually takes teams a few years, at least, to get hardened in the playoffs before they are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. And yes….there are always exceptions.
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My realistic expectation for them would be getting back to the playoffs by playing much more consistently on both sides of the ball than we did last year….and actually looking like you belong in the playoffs. Winning a first round game would be nice. If others wanna believe we have just as good a shot as any team and there’s no reason not to go for it….that’s just fine. I’m not saying mine is the only view.
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And, at the end of the day, my personal philosophy is that you ALWAYS build for the future…not the short term. I’m not saying that is the right way…just how I tend to think of things. Not that anybody in the Dolphins front office gives a damn what my personal philosophy is. Lol
I’m shocked!!! LOL
Tim,
And I’m shocked you think we’re “right there.” Haven’t heard you say that….every….single….year. Lol
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And I truly am just messing with you. We all get to choose what sort of fan we are, and your eternal optimism is refreshing. My world is so dark. Lol
Take advantage of what you have now because it will be gone soon enough.
Tim,
I think you focus on just getting better. Get good…and then stay good consistently. If that is good enough to get you to the promised land then so be it. It’s not like I’ll move to Canada if we win the SB. Lol
So getting better doesn’t mean getting good? LOL
Phelon
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Tim,
Now you’ve given me a headache, and I need to go drink. Lol
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Getting better IS getting good. We aren’t good yet. We’re average. And now I’m out. Have a good one.
LOL, enjoy your night. 🙂
Seems like the trade with JAX for Thomas is somewhat legit
How ya do’in cryptic Mike? LOL
Cryptic how?
“Seems like the trade with JAX for Thomas is somewhat legit” Why?
Tim
Oh, there are so many articles about it, one from ESPN which I don’t quite understand. How are the Jaguars in win-now mode? Shouldn’t you have to have won at least 8 games to even be considered a win-now team? lol
http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/20893/potential-branden-albert-trade-fits-into-jaguars-win-now-mode
Tim
Besides the plethora of articles, if you look at it, it does make sense. It gets us a good pass catching TE, and it frees us up to go defense in the draft. I’d still rather have OJ Howard, but I never get what I want anyway, so why would I now? lol
Thomas played in 13 games in ’14, 12 in ’15 and just 9 in ’16. Would we really be getting a good pass-catching TE or would we be getting a guy who’s going to be another player who is going to be missing too many games due to injury?
I know that if we trade Albert for him we’re pretty much breaking even on the cap part but do we really want to be saddled with his contract if this is going to be another Mario Williams deal?
Just peeled my nutt sack off my right leg….thought I’d share that with you😂
was wondering what that horrible shriek was all about
I just don’t believe in the nonsense of going for it all in one shot and then be done with it. I think we’re looking at a chicken little mentality that if you don’t win it all with certain players then the opportunity is lost.
You build a team that has staying power and that can undergo change from year to year and stay consistently at the top of the league. I think this team can build a dynasty and have a team that can be at the top of the AFC East for the foreseeable future just like the Pats have been if we do things the right way.
Keep adding talent, let the coaches do their job. Build the organization the right way, for stability and consistency and to keep the team winning year after year rather than the team getting close or even winning it all one time and then ending up in the basement for another 10 years.
I’ll take the consistent playoff contender every time over the one time super bowl champ who is the basement dweller every year after any day.
That’s not what I’m saying if that’s directed at me in any way. But geez, try to win at some point.
I’d love to see this team win as much as anyone else but I think we’re headed in the right direction now building a solid foundation and an organization that can sustain something well into the future.
I’ve waited this long, I can wait another couple years and I believe that’s all it’s going to take. I truly believe that 2 more years from now we will have as good a chance as any team to win the Super Bowl.
We add some pieces this year in free agency and the draft to the talent we’ve got now and we’re going to be as good as any team out there. But, it’s got to be done right.
Lou
Ideally, I’d prefer not to get Thomas. He did have success with Gase, but that was also with Peyton manning, not Ryan Tannehill. Basically what I’m saying is I can understand why would they would do it, but it wouldn’t be my preference. If they were really just going to cut Branden Albert, but somehow they get a pretty good TE out of it, it’s not too shabby. It’s just perspective.
I look at it from the point of view that, dollar for dollar, who improves your offense more. If you get Thomas you’re picking up his contract which has almost the same cap hit as Albert’s and unless you can redo the contract you’re stuck with it.
But, who improves your offense more? Yeah, we were going to cut Albert but, even so, he’s a better player for the offense than Thomas is. What does Thomas do for this offense? Can anyone say for sure he has more than 40 catches this season and more than 4 tds?
If he does, he is just taking catches and td’s away from someone else who doesn’t have the td’s they had in ’16? Does he open things up on the offense? I don’t know so much anyone can say he does.
But, Albert staying at LT and not needing to find two guards does more for the team than Thomas’ presence does.
I’d hope they would really be looking to improve the team and, instead, be going after someone else who’s younger and can possibly contribute more to what we’re trying to accomplish. Go for it. Try and get Smith or Ngakoue and improve the LB’s or pass rush.
But, to eat Thomas’ salary, even just for one year, would be a complete and total waste if he is what he is.
Reddick article. Not particularly informative, but it’s something.
https://apnews.com/049e14b6781f4c6b8026e4e488d0d270/Draft-Diary:-Reddick's-path-to-NFL-started-as-Temple-walk-on
Honestly, I just want to be able to say “Haasan Chop!”
Lou
We can see how Thomas does in his first season with us here, and if he can’t stay on the field, or give us the production we expected, we can cut him next season too. It’s worth a shot.
I’ll just trust Gase in this situation.
That’s pretty much how I feel D-Bolt. If Gase thinks Thomas is worth a shot, then he’s worth a shot.
Is there a reason we are talking about Thomas for Albert like it’s already happened
Or are we just speculating
It’s a rumor that Armando suggested as a possibility. He seems to know JAC is the interested party and he mentioned Thomas as a possible target. It may not be that at all. It could be a draft pick or even a swap of picks, but not likely the 1st round with JAC at #4.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 23m23 minutes ago
Dolphins gave Cameron Wake a 2-year, $19 million extension that includes $11 million guaranteed, per source.
I hope Randy is wrong when he said Wake is due for a bad year, one year good, one year bad.
It’s not really good/bad, just not same or better year after year. Wake was playing great in 2015 and then suffered the Achilles in game 7. He had 7 sacks in 7 games. So you could argue his last 3 seasons he’s been very good and consistent.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12417/cameron-wake
Gams Sacks
2016 Miami Dolphins 16 11.5
2015 Miami Dolphins 7 7.0
2014 Miami Dolphins 16 11.5
2013 Miami Dolphins 15 8.5
2012 Miami Dolphins 16 15.0
2011 Miami Dolphins 16 8.5
2010 Miami Dolphins 16 14.0
2009 Miami Dolphins 14 5.5
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I’m not saying it will happen, but the pattern is there. I hope he breaks it! I have no problem extending him. Even in his off years, he’s been our most consistent pass rusher. It’s just a weird pattern I noticed when I looked at his stats.
The last 3 breaks that trend to me. Getting hurt doesn’t count to me, it happens. I’m looking at production when he played. Also you have to take into account that teams game plan for Wake. You have to make sure you get him blocked or he will destroy your QB.
Hopefully we can add some pieces at DE to cut down his snap count and maximize his snaps on long down and distance and 3rd down – specifically 4th quarter with a lead. 🙂
We keep talking about Albert for a player and a conditional pick. What if the deal is Albert and R1P22 for Jack’s R1P4? Do you pull the trigger?
I doubt that but why wouldn’t we? LOL
Me too, but what I don’t doubt is Big Money’s penchant for big deals. So I wouldn’t be surprised to see him package up Albert with some picks to trade up.
Just remember TBaum isn’t a rogue guy in our org, he’s part of let’s call them… the trio. LOL
I’m never opposed to going after a top talent. I think we sometimes value draft picks like gold when they’re not always all they’re cracked up to be.
At the end of the day it’s about your 53 and is it better than it was before? It doesn’t matter how you got there. Win games! Get into the final 4.
The interesting thing about the Wake extension is why? He wasn’t going anywhere, even after next year. I guess $5.5M a year for a De is a good deal even if he’s on the back end of his career.
He didn’t look like he slowed down at all. He’s a freak. I guess the org loves him and wants him to be a Dolphin for life.
And what is the impact on re-signing other players?
Did they lower his annual cap hit via guaranteed money?
That’s what it must have been Tim- they had to have lowered his cap it for this year and next.
IMO, we would have to be able to re-do Thomas’ contract to even entertain a trade. He’s cap number is way too high for someone who has had some down years.
I’m looking at it from Gase’s point of view as an offensive mind. Look at the jump for Stills under him. He might feel Thomas will excel in what we’re doing. We also didn’t know what Ajayi really was heading into 2016. Now we do. He might want to build an offense that slaughter’s teams. LOL
Phelon
I’d rather have Telvin Smith
Ah, read your post too quickly, thought you meant Albert and our pick #22 for Myles Jack
Heading into Brooklyn in a little bit to meet some old friends. Really looking forward to it!
Cool man, enjoy!
Fuggedaboutit!
I know Albert will be costly but if our OL has finally shown signs of improvement why mess with it now? It’s not like we don’t have needs at other positions and we have plenty of cap space
It’s tough to rely on him for 16 games, and we have his replacement on the roster.
I think we have a plan at guard. Well we fucking better! I’m sick of that position being an issue year after year. LOL
If we can get anything for Albert go for it. We were going to release him anyway.
They see Tunsil as the future at LT, and will probably make a run at a mid-priced G in FA or draft one or two.
If Gase & his pals can figure out a way to use the money we were going to use on Albert and, instead, use that money to help obtain Zeitler, I’d be ALL FOR IT!! __If Zeitler’s the best available, then I say GET THE BEST!!
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College baseball season starts this weekend in the Sunshine State. Nationally ranked UM, UF and Florida State all won their openers. My alma mater, Florida Atlantic, has won the first two of a three game series against Monmouth by scores of 16-5 and 6-1. Game 3 is noon, tomorrow. FAU is the unanimous favorite to repeat as Conference USA Champions which, of course, would again land them a Top-25 ranking nationally. Upcoming games against the Hurricanes will be HUGE!!
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Just completed day 14 of a stretch where I work 26 consecutive days. Next weekend I’ll be in the Palm Beaches for a convention back in my “Home Boy” region. Will spend a night at my sister and brother-in-law’s place and, time permitting, take in a few innings of FAU baseball, too! –It’s a rough job but somebody has to do it!! –Talk to you folks tomorrow when, I believe, Miss HERDFAN will run Game #3 of ABSOLUTE PERFECTION, featuring Miami’s last gasp comeback win over the favored Vikings in Bloomington, Minnesota!! The PREFECT SEASON IS OURS’ TO ENJOY!!
“PERFECT,” not “prefect.” –LOL!
“Just completed day 14 of a stretch where I work 26 consecutive days”
OD — you are amazing man, if anything love your passion for what you do. My dream things would be the Pawn Star guys coming to FL for some rare coin auction and seeing you walk in as there local expert.
Know it old board news now — but glad we kept Wake. He got rewarded for being the great guy and team player he is as well as choosing to drink avocado wheat grass drinks that would make a Billy Goat puke instead of doing shots with Richie and the O-line crew at Teasers.
Here’s and interesting page. Puts Landry’s value at $12.1M/year. Interesting comparisons to other WR.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/jarvis-landry-14473/market-value/
Has Stills at $6.4M
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/kenny-stills-12425/market-value/
Not sure what the market will warrant, but matches up with Still not being worth $10 mil, but that Landry is.
Brian in NY says:
February 19, 2017 at 7:21 am (Edit)
They see Tunsil as the future at LT, and will probably make a run at a mid-priced G in FA or draft one or two.
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Still sounds like a down grade to me. We are taking something that should be a strength and making it weaker