The Porcine Oddyssey #105: The 4th Edition of the Oinkees


In a secret destination no one knows about 

Bronson Cave

There is a meeting of mysterious figures

Hooded Boss:  Okay…we have the world exactly where we want them with our fake news…So now is the time.  Now is the time to do something that no on will believe


Hooded Boss:  So give me your ideas

Hooded Lackey:  Well…I was thinking…maybe we should do a World is Flat sort of thing…

Hooded Boss:  Too Easy!


The Hooded Boss Opens a trap door under the lackey who falls in.  Flames shoot out through the trap door

The Hooded Boss:  Any other ideas?

Its uncomfortably silent as the other Lackeys in the cave are scared

The Hooded Boss:  No one!  No one has the guts to create Original Fake News.

A undersized hooded stockboy enters the room carrying boxes.  

He trips and the boxes loudly crash on the ground.

The Hooded Boss:  Stockboy you klutz!  Can’t you do anything right?


Hooded Stockboy:  Um…I ad an idea…

Hooded Boss:  Out with it and be outta of here!

Hooded Stockboy:  Well you know its award season and…um…well there is the Oinkees.  And I was thinking…we can do a story where the Oinkees…Well the Oinkees doesn’t experience any major problems.  You know like “the Oinkees goes off without a Hitch!”

Hooded Boss:  Well…that’s….that’s….that’s just brilliant.  If we can make people believe the Oinkees went off without a hitch…Then they will believe anything!!!




ANNOUNCER:  Welcome to the 4th Edition of the Oinkees.

An Audience of Pigs Applauds

ANNOUNCER:  Last Year the Oinkees were cancelled due to Extreme Philbin Suck.  But the Dolphins were back in the postseason in 2016 and the OINKEES are back!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  Squeal!

ANNOUNCER:  Now for our first Award “The Snoutsmasher” to the defensive MVP of the Dolphins please welcome two presenters from outer space.  Wedge The Alien and his boss – The Alpha Alien!


Wedge:  Good evening pork.  Its an honor to be here to present the Snoutsmasher.  An the nominees are Cameron Wake, Ndamukong Suh and Kiko Alonso…And the winner is (opening an envelope)

Alpha Alien:  (interrupting)  Earthlings…Your time will come.  This silly ceremony will not prevent your inevitable suffering.  Humans and Pigkind shall perish in agony when I am done with this planet.  At this very moment I am analyzing your miserable planet and determining the best way to end your useless existence.  Your time will come!

There is an awkward silence in the audience

Wedge:  Um…the winner is Ndamukong Suh.  YAY!!!

The Pigs all applaud

ANNOUNCER:  and now from the depths of the ocean to present the award for the Tiny Piglet to the Dolphins rookie of the year…Please welcome, The Little Prawn and the Mediocre White

The Little Prawn goes to the podium alone.  The Mediocre White is nowhere to be found.  


ANNOUNCER:  Um…I think some one is missing… maybe we should call the Mediocre White…

The Sound of a phone is heard dialing

The Mediocre White:  ….hey man…(picking up the phone)

ANNOUNCER:  Where are you?

The Mediocre White:  Oh man…I’m so high bro….


ANNOUNCER:  You are supposed to be here at the Oinkees!

The Mediocre White:  Man…that’s on Monday…

ANNOUNCER:  It is Monday!

The Mediocre White:  ….Oh man….(he laughs)….well…I can’t make it bro…I’m too high…Oinkee On  (he hangs up)

ANNOUNCER:  Okay Prawny…looks like you are on your own…


ANNOUNCER:  Okay forget it…I will announce it.  The nominees are Kenyon Drake, Xavier Howard and Laremy Tunsil…and the winner is Laremy Tunsil!

ANNOUNCER:  an now to give the award for the the Unsung Porkchop given to the most undervalued Dolphins please welcome the cutest couple in the world.  The Mustachios!

Mustachio:  E un onore to be here and give the Unsung PorkChop with mi bella Mrs. Mustachio….Hey…where is Mrs Mustachio?

Mustachio runs off stage looking for Mrs. Mustachio

Mustachio:  Mrs. Mustachio where are you?

Mustachio checks the bathroom


Mustachio:  ooo…Errore Mio!

Mustachio checks in another room backstage


Mustachio:  Oops….Scusami!!!

Mustachio leaves that room an opens a dressing room.

Mustachio:  Affanculo!  Mrs. Mustachio – Not the perverted weedwacker!


Mustachio returns to the stage alone…he is crying….  


Mustachio:  The nominees for the Unsung Pork Chop are Dion Simms, Kenny Stills and Ju’Wann James…and the winner is Dion Simms!

ANNOUNCER:  Please welcome to award the Golden Squiggly Tail to the best skill play from the Dolphins, a rodent that knows a lot about tails – Colonpokey and one of the biggest busts in Dolphins Draft History – Dion Jordan

Colonpokey:  It’s just me everyone…Dion Jordan could not make it tonight….Its turns out he doesn’t know how to show up…

The Pigs in the Audience Laugh and Squeal at Colonpokey’s joke


Colonpokey:  We asked Jeff Ireland what we should do and he suggested that we replace him with Phillip Wheeler and Danelle Ellerbee…so we hung up on him…

The Pig’s continue to laugh

Colonpokey:  Joe Philbin coaches with balls!

The Pig’s laugh and squeal some more

Colonpokey:  Okay now to the matter at hand…the nominees for the Golden Squiggly Tail are:  Jarvis Landry, Jay Ajayi and Kenny Stills….and the winner is Jay Ajayi!

ANNOUNCER:  Please welcome our last presenters of the night to hand out the prestigious Il Grande Wings:  Piggy Bacon and Meryl Streep

The Flying Pig:  Good evening pigs…I am very proud to give out the coveted Il Grande Wimgs once again….But before I do that…I think what the world needs now is a political statement at this award show.  So I brought my Meryl Streep here tonight…

(Piggy pauses before speaking again)

The Flying Pig:  Its important to say tonight…(Piggy wipes a tear from his eye) last year during the 2016 season, over 7000 of pigkind were slaughtered in the names of pre-game ribs….Even more pigkind were killed for bacon, pork chops, sausages and other Pig Massacre!  Its time for us to put a stop to this right Meryl!


The Flying Pig:  Meryl?  Um Meryl?  Where are you?

Piggy suddenly squeals in shock

The Flying Pig:  Meryl…it can’t be!  ANYTHING BUT BACON!


The Flying Pig:  You miserable human!  (jumping off the stage)  Okay which trotter does Sophie choose – the left or the right?

(Piggy attacks Meryl Streep)

ANNOUNCER:  Shit…another Oinkee disaster…(sigh)  And the winner of Il Grande Wings is Jarvis Landry

After the show backstage…the Hooded Stockboy removes his hood revealing himself and begins to laugh maniacally




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340 Responses to The Porcine Oddyssey #105: The 4th Edition of the Oinkees

  1. Oh the Oinkees!!!! Great job Piggy.

  2. wyoming85 says:

    Should have had Meryl Smoking a donkey peter

  3. wyoming85 says:


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  6. Mike E. says:

    LOL – Good job Piggy! Poor Mustachio!

  7. Phindog says:

    Great Job Piggy !!!

  8. wyoming85 says:

    Mustachio just needs to find a nice Razor Strap to settle down with!
    Raise a few Mini replacement Razors

  9. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 9m9 minutes ago
    Former Alabama LB Reuben Foster recently had right rotator cuff surgery, a league source said. Teams were informed of the surgery.

  10. wyoming85 says:


    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
    Giants will release WR Victor Cruz this afternoon, as @art_stapleton reported.

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
    Victor Cruz would have counted for $9.4 million against Giants’ salary cap. His release this afternoon will free up $7.5 million vs cap.

  11. Tim Knight says:

    Funny stuff Piggy. Do you notice a face in the cave on the top where Hooded Stockboy is?

  12. wyoming85 says:

  13. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
    Giants also releasing RB Rashad Jennings in addition to Victor Cruz, per @JordanRaanan.

  14. The Flying Pig says:

    That’s creepy Tim!

  15. Tim Knight says:

    We might target up and coming players in FA who are not household names but we like their recent game tape and upside. That could be a more affordable way to go about it.

    • D says:

      I could see at least one really star signing.

      Spending money to shore up a weakness shouldnt be looked at as overspending or not being smart with your money. Being overly thrifty can easily put you in a bad position as well.

      I understand the need to make sure you manage your cap well, and you do need to make sure you stage your spending so that you always have something can fall off the books when you bring something new on, but i dont think you can replace a signing someone like Zeitler with a mid range guy. Its just not a easy to hit on those FA’s and thats why they come at a lower amount.

      To me FA is not about a spending philosophy, its about is this dude worth what he is asking for and can we afford him for that amount. If neither of those match up, then you move on to the next best option until you find the mah that gives you the best option at the right price, not necessarily the lowest.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It doesn’t mean mid range guy as in not that good, just lesser known players performing well that won’t get paid at the top of the food chain. Kind of like Earl Mitchell was back when we signed him. The league knew about him but not many fans overall did. He’s not a star, but he’s a quality player and signed a moderate deal at 4 years $16M.

  16. pheloniusphish says:


  17. pheloniusphish says:

    Yep, moderated.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      You should be fine now

      it only happens when you first try to log on
      some one has to approve and then you can freely post

  18. Tim Knight says:

    FYI, Phelonius Phish tried to log on this morning but he’s moderated.

  19. D says:

    8 mil per is kinda what i have been feeling Stills value on the open market would be, maybe 9, and for us with our WR’s and what he is for our system, i just dont think we should be offering that kind of money. In a perfect world he’s an alpha receiver and for some systems i could see it, and then the 8-9mil price tag is a really nice option. He has no experience being that guy so he cant collect on being that guy, not this time around but someone could see the potential in him in that role and pay him that much in hopes it pans out.

    For us though, Landry is our alpha, even if he is considered a slot receiver. He makes our system work, he’s the primary in the play designs, things revolve around him. As such, he deserves to be paid as our primary, and we cant afford two players with primary receiver money in back to back off-seasons. We have to look at Still therefore as a guy who we can replace if need be, and personally i feel WR has become the type of position, you can do that at, especially if your not talking about your alpha.

    I am not sure exactly what Stills will demand money wise, but i am feeling strongly that there is a market for him that exceeds what we can afford to pay. Thats for the coaches and FO to determine, but either way i hope they are smart with that offer and any others they make this FA.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think we fans tend to downplay what the market is for some players. I’m guilty of it as well. The salaries always go up every year.

      • D says:

        im not downplaying it at all im saying the value we have for him probably is less than what others have for him, because i think in our system, with Parker and Landry, he is not worth that much, to us. I am saying he IS worth that much in the market, i think he is every bit worth the 8-9mil a year to another team. I dont think we can afford him at that amount though.

  20. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 13, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    It doesn’t mean mid range guy as in not that good, just lesser known players performing well that won’t get paid at the top of the food chain. Kind of like Earl Mitchell was back when we signed him. The league knew about him but not many fans overall did. He’s not a star, but he’s a quality player and signed a moderate deal at 4 years $16M.
    Yeah i know ya didnt mean mid range as in player ability, but a young up and coming player with some success is probably going to be more than a mid range asking price. These guys and their market value is pretty well known before they get into FA. You get teams willing to overpay just to get them, but even they KNEW exactly what they were worth, they just exceeded it to get the quick commit. Sometimes they play a little trickery with the contract, smaller overall, more guarantees, or bigger overall smaller guarantees, but these agents are really good at what they do too, they know their clients value on the open market, they know what their client saves staying at home, they see both the long and short range picture and they dont get shorted.

    Usually where you see the up and coming guys really pay off is short term contracts where they are given a “you are still kind of a gamble” contract, but with potential for them to pay off with bonuses, and a chance to really continue to show growth before they are up for another run in FA. It really depends on factors like current age, longevity (RB has a shorter life span so its important to get guarantees on contracts that lead into their thirties, and big 2nd contracts so they have the luxury of holding out for guarantees in the third one.

    This shit is a science so thats why im saying there should be no bargain hunting philosophy. You should spend what you can spend to get the guy you need, period, You shouldn’t over spend unless this guy is for sure going to be a cornerstone for you. You also shouldn’t go bargain basement for a position that is a big need for you and you shouldn’t worry about hits and misses, unless you are making a bunch of misses, and then its still not the spending philosophy, its not having the right person making the picks.

  21. Mike E. says:


    If you’re still around – Sorry bud. I think comments automatically get moderated if you’ve never posted with that e-mail here. I approved your comments. Sorry for the inconvenince

  22. Tim Knight says:

    D, if we release a few more contracts that aren’t productive – Williams, Misi etc., we’re going to have around $40M in cap space. So we can afford a guy like Stills. The contracts can be done in away we’re the first couple of years are not in that $8-9M range but about $6M. This way when his salary gets higher others come off the board and you can decide whether he’s worth keeping. Happens all the time.

  23. Mike E. says:

    D, Tim

    Some of the guys I mentioned in both FA articles may be targets. We’ll see what happens, but there are a few affordable options I mentioned that I could help our team.

    • D says:

      Outside of Ronald Leary i wouldnt take a chance on any of the other OG’s as an upgrade to Bushrod. I really hope they see the need for us to have the RG spot truly upgraded and go big there. The other positions, i think getting guys with potential without breaking the bank is fine.

      I would not sign Still for 8-9mil per though. I know with contracts being offset from others its possible but i just cant see justifying that much on a guy that we could replace with a rookie and it wouldn’t be a large drop off, not in our offense at least.

      It could be they plan on moving his use in our system up some, make him more of a focus, and if they did that i could see the justification. We will see, because they know what his worth really is to us and we have to assume if they let him walk, whatever he was asking didnt meet that, if he stays, he was.

  24. wyoming85 says:

    Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago
    Giants settling all family business today. They will not be re-signing TE Larry Donnell. He’ll be a free agent.

  25. pheloniusphish says:

    Thanks Mike and Tim. I have too many email addresses apparently.

  26. pheloniusphish says:

    Re: Stills…I read somewhere this morning that they were closing in at about $6.5 M per year. Might have been Lou who posted a tweet.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I hope so
      it would be nice to start locking up guys then see what’s left to work with

      • pheloniusphish says:

        ‘Zactly. Get Stills, Landry, and Kiko locked in long term, then look at FA.

        I agree with D on OG – Outside of Leary, I don’t see any for sure starters in FA.

  27. Tim Knight says:

    It should be exciting to see how we go about the offseason prior to the draft. That will tell us a lot about what areas the team likes and which ones need to be revamped. For instance we all know our LBs need to be upgraded but what is weird is most of them are UFA, RFA and ERFAs. Only Hewitt and Misi are signed past this year and Misi may not be able to play again due to his neck injury. So the time is right to revamp this group.

  28. Mike E. says:


    You don’t like Zeitler for RG?

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Not at $11.5 M a year. Don’t like Leary at that price either.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Think about what he could do for Ajayi and Tannehill. You pay him with Ajayi on the cheap for now and go for it. Sometimes all it takes is a few additions to take your team to another level. Zeitler is a proven performer who will turn just 27 in March and he’s a former 1st rd pick. He’s the prototype guard at 6-4 315 with a polished game. One of those big Wisconsin boys.

      • Brian in NY says:

        I don’t think Leary will get $11.5 million per year. He is a good-very good G, but that OL helped make him look great.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Landing a guy like him in his prime at RG and using Bushrod as a swing guy would be ideal. Bushrod says he really likes it in Miami and wants to come back after considering 2016 was his last season. He’s going to play eventually, it always happens. I think he’d be okay with that role. Then draft a C/G as insurance if Pouncey can’t get right. We still have Steen and Urbik as well. Let the situations and competition work itself out.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      He would immediately become the highest paid OL on Miami’s Roster.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s okay because Albert will be moving on maybe by next year and who knows if Pouncey can stay healthy. Not sure he’s getting $11.5M per either.

  29. Brian in NY says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    February 13, 2017 at 4:35 pm
    Re: Stills…I read somewhere this morning that they were closing in at about $6.5 M per year. Might have been Lou who posted a tweet.
    I read last week that the Dolphins projected Stills’ value at $6.5 million per season at the end of the year, but that may be up to $8 million now (could be his agent putting out the later part).

    • Tim Knight says:

      Somewhere in that range. They showed comparable players and what they’re being paid, don’t have the link.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      It was something Lou posted that I read this morning.

      “don’t know if this is true or not but, if it is, it’s a really good number for the team:

      Neal Driscoll‏@NealDriscoll Follow More
      Dolphins and Kenny Stills working on extension. I’m hearing $6.5 million per year is where it will end up.”

  30. Brian in NY says:

    I really wan’t Stills back, but I agree with D; $8 million is too much for him in our offense. Parker was drafted to be the man, but Landry is clearly that for our team. Caroo can be the 3rd WR, and we can pick up/draft another to be the #4. Add a playmaking TE (you’re welcome Mike) and we should be set. We need to shore up the G position and add a LB and DE’s as well in FA and/or the draft.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We don’t have to redo Landry’s contract this year and Parker has a 5th year option in 2019. Stills made a lot of big plays for us. I don’t know that we just replace him on the cheap so easily. Just remember Gase really likes him.

      We can sign more than one or two guys. Not sure why we worry that doing something on offense denies the defense.

  31. D says:

    Mikey, i love Zeitler as an option for us. I think i worded things wrong but i consider Zeitler the top prize of FA OG’s. I think he is going to be around 9-10mil a year, which is steep but i think it could be worth it to us. If he wants more than that i dont think we can afford him. I know its only off by about 2mil, what im saying i would pay and what Phelon was saying he might cost, but for me 10 is the absolute max i think we could afford. TJ Lang might also be an option but he is going to be pretty pricey too and i think GB might tag him, if they dont tag Tretter instead.

    Way i see it is i would go Zeitler as long as i didnt have to exceed 10mil per, ide prefer 9mil per and some hefty guarantees as incentive, but he is probably going to look for big numbers. Leary id go 7.5 maybe 8, Lang about the same. Keep in mind Leary pretty much lost his spot as a starter and if it wasnt for injury wouldnt have started this year.

  32. pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – $11.5M is what the Cincy beat writers think Zeitler is going to get. Sounds high to me, but position salaries go up every year so what do I know? Leary played for less than $3M last year, so as Brian said, I don’t think he is going to cost anywhere near as much as Zeitler.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Kelechi Osemele is the highest paid G in the league at $11.7M per. That’s where those numbers are coming from. We can either invest in the OL and take advantage of it with some really good skill players or keep fucking around on the cheap with 3rd and 4th rounders and 2nd tier guys hoping for the best. This team can be good in 2017. I don’t want to see more developmental players, we have a bunch of them. Let’s be a top team by strengthening the core.

      I don’t expect us to spend high on defense in FA but we will add some players and then double up in the draft along with re-signing a few of our own and getting guys back healthy.

  33. pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – While Landry does have another year, now is the time to sign him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We could franchise him next year while we get a deal done too. But giving Landry more money now does not make us better. He’s already part of the core.

  34. pheloniusphish says:

    At the end of the day I don’t care what they pay anyone as long as they field a good team. I’ll leave the cap worries to those who actually get paid to worry.

  35. D says:

    At 6.5 im signing Stills immediately. IMO thats about the perfect value for us, well the perfect price and not be insulting to him for what he has earned as a player. I really cant see him not holding out for more though. The market is also still in flux, so Cruz getting cut, puts a damper on things for Stills, but in general he is one of the top receivers on the market, and in some systems he would be a featured guy and pretty hard to stop. Put him opposite Amari Cooper, or Julio Jones and i can promise you he has 10+ TD’s and 1k+ yards. This doesnt need to devolve into a Tanny discussion, im not saying Tanny cant use him right, but in our offense, we feature different types of receivers and he would be best as a number 2, when they have safety in coverage on the other two guys, letting Stills over the top more.

  36. D says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    February 13, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    But he lost his spot to Dallas’ version of Miami’s Tunsil.
    Well yeah, but i guess im saying is he was a backup, and despite being good if your own team doesnt start you, it doesnt give you as strong a leveraging point to get the top contract, a good one for sure but not the 9-10+ range.

    • D says:

      Can make a claim for best in the league, when you are third best at the position on your own team.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Absolutely agree. That’s why I like him. He was a high performing starter on one of the league’s best lines, but he doesn’t have leverage to break the bank.

      • D says:

        Yeah Zeitler is not only the best OG in the FA, but he also is possibly one of the best in a while, especially for ZBS systems. He is going to be pricey, though i think lack of position flexibility probably keeps him just under 10.

  37. Mike E. says:

    Have to spend in the trenches. Every year, it’s proven that’s where you win.

  38. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 13, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    Kelechi Osemele is the highest paid G in the league at $11.7M per. That’s where those numbers are coming from. We can either invest in the OL and take advantage of it with some really good skill players or keep fucking around on the cheap with 3rd and 4th rounders and 2nd tier guys hoping for the best. This team can be good in 2017. I don’t want to see more developmental players, we have a bunch of them. Let’s be a top team by strengthening the core.

    I don’t expect us to spend high on defense in FA but we will add some players and then double up in the draft along with re-signing a few of our own and getting guys back healthy.
    He was also entering FA as a LT, the position he played the year before his FA. So its more like he was paid to have the flexibility to use him at LT but they needed him more at OG so they moved him there. You could look at it as high paid for an OG or moderately high pay as a LT. Was kind of a weird circumstance for him and worked out to his favor.

  39. D says:

    Id go after a Lang, Leary or Zeitler, and also re-sign Bushrod as a backup. We win on two levels there, by strengthening our starting group and our depth because we get a solid depth player that can play OG or OT. If we turn around and draft a guy like Pocic, we get a backup for Pouncey (which we need one) and guy who could fill in at any spot on the OL, but i would specifically be targeting him for a LG, eventually taking over for Tunsil once BA is gone and Tunsil takes over for him.

  40. pheloniusphish says:

    Whatever they do, the line has to be no less than the number 2 priority (LB is 1st). It has sucked for too long.

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m okay with spending a lot of a FA OG

    I just don’t want to think about the OL anymore….lol

  42. D says:

    Like i was saying before it just comes down to trusting them to pay what they need to to get what they need to. I think our biggest issue with FA is that we have whiffed so much in the past that we are scared to put any trust in them doing the right thing, and so its more like well as long as they dont get pricey ones, then we can roll around to hoping they get it right next year. Im tired of waiting for next year and i do trust these guys more than previous groups, especially with Gase having strong input when it comes to players on the team. I know who id like to see but more than any specific player i just hope we address the different spots we need to with the people thats going to help this team over the hump.

  43. Tim Knight says:

    Remember Gase is an offensive coach. His plan is to be a top offense and have an opportunistic defense. That was the idea year one but injuries put a damper on that plan from being better than it could have been even though we still went 10-6 and clinched a playoff spot with a week to go.

    Ajayi changed everything for me. I want to make sure he has those 2nd level runs available more often than not because he can help us get going on offense early and close games out. Let’s be potent on offense and faster on defense.

    WR Landry
    TE Howard
    LT Albert
    LG Tunsil
    C Pouncey
    RG Zeitler
    RT James
    TE Sims
    WR Parker
    QB Tannehill
    RB Ajayi

    WR Stills
    WR Landry
    LT Albert
    LG Tunsil
    C Pouncey
    RG Zeitler
    RT James
    TE Howard
    WR Parker
    QB Tannehill
    RB Ajayi

    I love the idea of this offense. Forget empty backfield, go 2-TE and 3 WR and always a running threat.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That would be perfect

      Our offense might really take off

      And don’t count Drake out from breaking some big runs after Ajayi wears down the defense

  44. D says:

    Was looking at some of the recent cuts, and one of the more intriguing for me was Bryan Cox cut as the falcons Dl coach along with the DC. I wouldnt mind picking him up as out DL coach, assuming that we still havent replaced ours. Falcons DL was a pretty solid and aggressive unit.

  45. D says:

    Just saw Welker is working as an assistant on the Texans. I thought for a little while Gase was going to hire him for our team.

  46. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley 16m16 minutes ago
    League source confirms @adamcaplan report that the Dolphins are hiring Andre Carter as assistant DL coach.

  47. Tim Knight says:

    We all saw how different of a team we were when Ajayi was rolling and Tannehill was passing off of it. Not pass 45/run 15ish, but run 35/pass 25-30ish. That’s what we should build on with the offense and play fast on defense. Create havoc when you’re out there. We’re not a team that is just starting off with all young players, we have a mix. Go for it! What are you waiting for, 2019? Who knows what will happen over the next few years.

    Did anyone see ATL coming off of 8-8 in 2015 starting off 5-0 and finishing 3-8 as the top offense and a SB team in 2016? They saw a window and Quinn got it, then fucked it up in the biggest game. SMH

  48. Brian in NY says:

    Supposedly, the Dolphins want to extend Landry this offseason. They feel he has earned an early extension.

    • Tim Knight says:

      If they do fine, I’m cool with that. Just saying we don’t have to now.

      • Brian in NY says:

        I’m sure part of it is recognizing someone who has contributed greatly over the past three years, and making him feel appreciated. He’s the type of dude you don’t have to worry about losing motivation after he gets paid.

  49. Brian in NY says:

    I just hope that this year isn’t the first year we see Tannebaum’s old habits surfacing again. We have some pretty big holes to fill, and we are down a 3rd and a 4th rounder. I don’t want to see him throwing too much money around and crippling us for the future if those moves don’t work out.

  50. Brian in NY says:

    My favorite nicknames from the blog:
    1. Bazooka Joe
    2. (tie) T-Bomb
    Dion Fuckface Jordan

  51. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, not counting out Drake or any other contributors, My avi is Drake. LOL

    I’m focused on building a core that from week to week is hard to slow down.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m just oinking my .02

      Would love that 2 TE and 3wr set

      We might not have a shot at Howard though

      Maybe we can achieve that 2TE set with Sprinkle or Michael Roberts

  52. Brian in NY says:

    You guys get any snow down your way?

  53. Brian in NY says:

    98: R3P34 C PAT ELFLEIN
    167: R5P22 WR RYAN SWITZER
    185: R5P40 OT STORM NORTON
    207: R6P22 EDGE BRYAN COX
    243: R7P22 LB BRANDON BELL

  54. I’ll repeat my list:
    Here’s a short list of guys I THINK the team may try and target in FA at the LB position. Not at all necessarily starters but just trying to get the roster better from top to bottom;
    Sio Moore
    Corey Lemonier
    Zach Brown
    Michael Wilhoite
    John Simon
    Malcolm Smith

  55. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, it seems as if NJ is being spared so far. Maybe more of a northern southern state now with much more mild weather. No doubt the climate is changing here even if we get slammed here and there. We’re due a few more 30’s and 40’s days and then 50’s by the weekend. That’s been the cycle all winter.

  56. How in the hell is Andre Branch not worth $7M/yr? Seriously. $35M for a DE is chump change

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Good point. Every year we fans tend to get caught up in the yearly average talk that agents like to go by. But as you say, that is meaningless. Miami could probably afford Zeitler and Leary if they wanted and still sign their own FA..

  57. The Flying Pig says:

    54: R2P22
    98: R3P34
    167: R5P22
    177: R5P32
    185: R5P40
    207: R6P22
    243: R7P22

    Took 2 TEs in the 5th
    Ler em compete

    In this scenario watt would be an OLB
    Smooth and Phillips might compete for playing time at DE

    Cunningham would be MLB

  58. The Flying Pig says:

    Don’t know if you e seen Everett from so Alabama

    He’s kind of an overgrown receiver
    Probably will be a good receiver in the NFL
    But not exactly much help in the blocking game

  59. The Flying Pig says:

    I like Roberts much more than Everette

  60. Mike E. says:

    Engram is a big WR playing TE. Not really interested unless he’s our 3rd TE, and we already have Duarte who is a similar player.

  61. Mike E. says:

    6’1″ 190??? When I first read this, I thought he was a CB.

    Either way, he should fit well in Davie. lol

  62. wyoming85 says:

  63. Mike E. says:


    OK, I feel a little better. I’ve been a little off my game this morning, I’m glad that particular thing wasn’t me. 🙂

  64. Phins may be looking to bring this guy on:

  65. Rhino says:

    hey everyone,
    GREAT article Piggy. Very funny! I was hoping Kiko would get unsung hero. 😦

    All those saying to go after Zietler….. yes, yes, yes, yes. I am so freaking tired of “who’s that guy” at RG… or “next 4th rounder UP”. Dallas and Tennessee have demonstrated that the run game is NOT dead in the NFL…. and we got us a fierce old school competitor in Ajayi.

    Tim, absolutely LOVE that offensive lineup you posted earlier. While there are several very good TE’s, only Howard seems to be ready to drive defenses crazy on day one.

    I think if we go after Zietler, then the rest of FA is filling holes with guys who “could start” then draft those same positions to see if the rooks can win the job.

  66. The Flying Pig says:

    I was watching tape on David a Njoku last night

    He’s very athletic

    Not the same kind of TE Howard would be in our offense

    But he might put up better numbers

  67. Mike E. says:

    Hey hey we’re the Oinkees,

    And people say we oinkey around

  68. D says:

    Piggy, when it comes to Sprinkle and Roberts, i think you get pretty close to what you get with Howard with Sprinkle. Howard is a little better blocker and probably more fluid of a receiver, but i think Sprinkle has all the tools that Howard has, maybe just a little less refined. Roberts is more on Sims level. He’s solid, and i think pretty dependable, especially as a blocker, i think he is going to be sure handed and a pretty solidRZ TE, but im not sure he is as dynamic a receiver as Howard or Sprinkle are capable of being.

    • D says:

      Njoku does seem like an interest prospect, i dont think he is as polished as Howard right now, maybe in time he might be as good but i think its unlikely he will be better. Howard has the upper tier athletic ability same as Njoku, and he is already a couple years ahead of him in skill refinement. Id put he and Sprinkle on roughly the same level, although he might be slightly more athletic, but he isnt as physical as Sprinkle is as a blocker.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        From the little I’ve seen – he’s (Njoku) not a disaster blocking
        That guy Everette (So Alabama) was the worst I’ve seen

        I tend to like the idea of getting a TE who is a solid blocker rather than a Jimmy Graham type
        Howard is obviously the top choice
        but Sprinkle and Roberts might be nice finds if we have 3 5th rounders

        Njoku is quite an athlete – but when I think of a 2 TE set with Ajayi running the ball I want more of the mauling type of TE

  69. D says:

    Lou i think that depends if their philosophy on DB’s have changes. They didnt like the smaller guys, and were looking to be aggressive and play press. If that isnt changing with Burke, i doubt we go after that guy, but there may be more to his game than his size indicates. Did they bring him in for a visit or is this just a theory you have?

  70. pheloniusphish says:

    Speaking of CB….maybe we’ll see Howard, Lippett, and Maxwell all on the field together next year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That would be nice. I also think McCain can become a good slot corner against those quick twitch inside guys. Lippett and Maxwell are really boundary corners where Howard could probably line up anywhere, even at safety,

  71. D says:

    Everett is more Charles Clay or a lot of people think he is more like Jordan Reed, though i tend to more see Evan Engram as a Reed kind of player. Both guys though are a little bit smaller as a TE, Engram is a better blocker than a lot give him credit for because most people dont watch the tape they just see his size and dont think blocker. He gets good position on players, but all in all he isnt a big bruiser in that capacity either. These are mismatch kind of players, again more like Clay, can move them out to the slot, hell you can line them up in the backfield and screen to them, but they arent traditional TE’s.

  72. D says:

    I have a few CB’s i think might really blossom when they hit the NFL that arent blowing the top off of most peoples ranking, like Channing Stribling from Michigan, and Dwayne Thomas from LSU. Thomas in particular i think is a really under the radar prospect who might be the better of the secondary prospects coming out of LSU this year, aside from Adams of course.

  73. D says:

    I really dont think McCain will ever develop into anything special, i would draft a guy mid to late round and put him in competition not only with McCain at the NCB position but with Lippett and Howard for an outside spot, best three would start in the case they decide to cut or trade Maxwell, and in the case they keep Maxwell one could back him up and develop behind him, and maybe get some rotational snaps in.

    • D says:

      McCain is one of the most frustrating CB’s we have he looks brilliant on some plays and just lost on others. I would like to like him but i have no confidence he really takes it to the next level.

      • Tim Knight says:

        So do all of them. Maxwell looked like he didn’t belong earlier in the year. Howard could never get going with injuries and had up and down moments. Lippett is still green and looks the part at times and totally lost at other times. McCain is no different. I think you’re writing off McCain too fast.

        Our secondary was so banged up that communication issues were a big part of it for all of them.

  74. Mike E. says:

    I think all the CB’s had their good moments and bad moments, but I think Lippett and Maxwell had more good ones than McCain. Howard is too incomplete, he just didn’t play enough.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Lippett was totally responsible for Brown’s 50+ yard TD on that screen in the playoffs. Lippett is a corner, he has to protect the outside. He went inside after Brown, Brown cut it outside, then Lippett picked off two LBs in pursuit freeing Brown to go all the way. Lippett doesn’t know the finer points of the game at corner yet. McCain’s job inside is a tough one, you barely get your hands on the receiver and they pick you all the time. Give him time to learn the finer points of the game as well.

      • Mike E. says:

        My expectations for Lippett weren’t very high in the first place, and I think he exceeded them. McCain isn’t bad, he just isn’t good either. I think Lippett has a higher ceiling as he learns the game. McCain is pretty much what he is now.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Why can Lippett get better and McCain can’t? They’re two different players as well. One is a long rangy guy and the other the shorter quick twitch inside guy.

        I like our secondary though I’d like to see us add some competition for depth. Keeping them all on the field together is key, just like the OL.
        CB Maxwell, Howard, Lippett, McCain, ?
        S Jones, IAQ, Thomas, Aikens, ?

  75. Mike E. says:


    I think Lippett is still learning a new position. McCain has more experience at CB. Not that McCain can’t improve, but he is more of a finished product than Lippett is.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Bobby will be 24 in August with two years under his belt. Tony will be 25 in July with the same. Neither is even close to a finished product but they both have talent. 🙂

  76. pheloniusphish says:

    I think McCain has shown enough to get one more year in the rotation. However, I think Lippett has more upside. Yeah, he gave up a long pass against the Brown’s, but all CB give up passes on occasion. SAfety is in flux until we see how IAQ and Jones play together for a full season.

    • Mike E. says:

      No question. I’m not saying he should be cut, I just think McCain is pretty much what he is right now. I wouldn’t mind getting a bigger safety which would allow Jones to play more CF. There are a few in this draft, like the CT safety Obi Melfonwu (6’4″ 219″) and the Louisville safety Josh Harvey-Clemons (6’4″ 228). In FA, T.J. McDonald is big too (6’3″ 219), and he can tackle.

  77. Tim Knight says:

    Jones is better in the box surveying the field in that 10 yard range. He’s not really a center fielder. He’s more of a short stop. lol

  78. dbolt48 says:

    Looking at TE prospects IMO Eric Saubert out of Drake is someone to keep a close eye on. Really fluid player.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Good to see you dbolt! Haven’t seen you on in a while.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Hey Brian! Yeah, winter soccer is done so have a little extra time to blog here & there. I get to frequent twitter during the day, but not the blog as it’s blocked by my works sonicwall.

  79. I think Bobby McCain is going to have a tough time holding onto a job with this team come training camp.

  80. Randy says:

    We need better players at the CB position. I’m not caught up in who is what, but I think we need to do what we can to keep trying to upgrade the position, I feel the same about several positions. In the end, it’s about upgrading the overall talent…how they do it isn’t as important to me.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Sure, you always want them to improve. But last year they was better than previous years, ranking number 12. And, without going back an looking, I feel like a lot of the yards they gave up in the passing game came from TE and RB, which should get better with improved LB. Overall I thought the CB spot was a bright-ish spot on a generally under performing defense.

    • Brian in NY says:

      I like our corners. We need a consistent and better pash rush. If we get that our defense will improve, CB’s included.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I like our CBs as well
        I think we have good pieces to work with

        but you can see how the rug my be pulled out from under our feet at this position
        Its easy for it to go south quick with injuries or the weaknesses of young players being exposed over time

        You can never have too many DBs when it comes down to it
        I usually try to take 1 in day 3 of my mock simulations
        it would be nice to add another young one to the mix

        I don’t think we need to spend big FA $ on one or draft one very high
        but if the opportunity presents itself – I’m okay with it, provided it doesn’t lead to us ingoring a position like LB

      • Brian in NY says:

        Agreed. Hopefully our rash of injuries in the secondary was just an anomaly. We need to build better depth back there, and that ay be simply getting some of our own guys more experience. I love Howard. I think that he is going to be a really good corner for us. He came in after missing a significant amount of time and played very well, especially given the fact he was a rookie.

  81. K’waun Williams, who’s workout vid I posted above, is a guy the team is supposedly interested in bringing in. He played for Cleveland but was cut. Don’t know why.
    However, there were initially fives teams reportedly interested in signing him and MIA was one of them. He visited two earlier in the week and I don’t think he signed with either of them and MIA was one of the teams he was reported to be visiting next.
    Just an FYI. I don’t know anything about the guy other than that and he was out of Pitt.

  82. Mike E. says:

    Hey D-Bolt! Good to see you here bud!

  83. The Flying Pig says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 14, 2017 at 8:44 pm (Edit)
    Looking at TE prospects IMO Eric Saubert out of Drake is someone to keep a close eye on. Really fluid player.

    I’ve seen his name a lot but haven’t checked him out
    I will
    thanks for bringing my attention to him

    • dbolt48 says:

      Just a very smooth athlete at the position. Can flip his hips like a small running back. Similar to Njoku w/ lapses in concentration leading to some drops. But he can high point in traffic, catch on contact, and has huge hands.

  84. pheloniusphish says:

    Article on Williams…the gist is he hurt his ankle in camp last year, refused to play in preseason because of it, was suspended by the team, cut, had surgery to remove bone spurs.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t know anything about him but depth and competition is never a bad thing

      How ’bout those Browns! Always proving themselves to be the worst run team in the NFL

  85. wyoming85 says:

  86. dbolt48 says:

    I’m not a huge fan of pure highlight clips, but this does emphasize what I mentioned above about him:

  87. wyoming85 says:

  88. wyoming85 says:

    Well nobody else had a Gizzard coaching!

    Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 6m6 minutes ago
    #Dolphins added Josh Grizzard as offensive quality control coach, source said. He was previously assistant QBs Coach/qual. control at Duke.

  89. wyoming85 says:

  90. Randy says:

    I think you always look to bring in young talent at CB. Maxwell had an inconsistent year. He had good moments, but it wasn’t like he had a great year. Lippett has developed pretty well so far. I think he lets too many passes get completed on him, but he’s a pretty good tackler for a WR turned CB. Howard is still a major question mark simply because he hasn’t been on the field a lot. McCain is ok…that’s about it. Why would we not want to look at upgrading the talent at that position? I don’t think it has to be a first day pick, but there’s no reason not to look to upgrade there.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed, I just don’t think the secondary is a primary concern. But I’d like to add competition to strengthen the unit.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I don’t think anyone’s arguing that we shouldn’t try to upgrade, just in the land of competing needs and limited opportunity to meet those needs, CB is a distant 4th behind LB, OL &, DE. I put it even with TE.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Having guys staying healthy would help quite a bit. We were signing guys off the street at one point we had so many injuries in the secondary.

  91. Mike E. says:


    I think Reshad can play anywhere, in the box or in center field, but I think if we want to keep him on the field, we better get LB’s up front that make some tackles, and maybe get another big safety that can also tackle. Reshad does have 16 INT’s, and and that’s not too shabby. He’s a playmaker, and also has 3 TD’s. I think you undervalue him, from the things you say. Not many safeties out there that can tackle like a LB and also defend the pass, and make big plays.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I like Reshad and think he’s an excellent player. I just like him up closer to the LOS because he’s good at reading plays and he blows them up before they get going.

  92. pheloniusphish says:

    Williams $10.5M
    Misi $6.5M
    D. Jordan $3.2M
    $4M in dead money with those 3 cuts.
    Currently $29.3 under cap with no cuts.

    So: $29.3M+($20.2M-$4M)=$45.5M in cap space.

    And they could easily free up another $10M by re-structuring RT’s contract (convert some of his base to a bonus spread out over the remaining contract) if they wanted.

  93. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 22m22 minutes ago
    Jaguars re-signed backup QB Chad Henne.

  94. Randy says:

    I try not to get too concerned about prioritizing needs because I prefer to be more fluid in the draft. Your draft should be vertical and horizontal. Maybe you have a shot at the 2nd rated CB and the 5th rated LB, for instance. Do you take the LBer simply because it’s perceived as a greater current need and pass up the potentially better player? You need to be ready to pick any position at any time. If you lock into a particular position and say: “We gotta draft ____ before the 3rd round.”, I think it leads you away from your draft board.
    I’m not arguing….just shooting shit. I just really don’t think this team is good enough to say any position isn’t a need. I think WR is probably the closest to being a solid group, but an argument could be made there too….given Stills uncertainty. As I said, just keep adding better talent because we need it all over. If a guy they have rated highly at CB is sitting there and represents good value, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with taking him. Acquire the best talent you can.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I prefer to take the BPA as well. The best case scenario is when the talent matches up with the need.

      That’s why I think you use FA to upgrade areas where you feel you have a dire need. That doesn’t mean the highest price guys either, just players you deem to be better than what you have. That way you can take the BPA at multiple positions from the rookie crop.

  95. Tim Knight says:

    You know who we could sign at DE unless he’s looking for OV money and he probably will is Chandler Jones. His production has been outstanding as an edge DE/OLB in his career. But he would make our defensive front much better.

  96. wyoming85 says:

  97. pheloniusphish says:

    No doubt BPA is the way to go.

  98. Tim Knight says:

    So would you target a LB like Zach Brown at probably $6-7M per? The guy is quick and fast and makes plays all over the field.

  99. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 40s40 seconds ago
    Jets have notified Ryan Clady’s agent @_SportsTrust that they aren’t exercising option for 2017. Clady a free agent.

  100. did you ever think that the 5th rated LB could be just as good a pick as the 2nd rated CB? It’s not about where the player is rated within their individual positions. It’s where the player is rated as a draft pick.
    if you have 5 LB’s go in the 1st rd and only 2 CB’s it means it’s a strong LB class. So, position ranking means nothing.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Who is disagreeing with that? The horizontal board determines that. If you have 5 LBs and 2 CBs all rated with a similar grade, you go with the guy you like the most across the board. Not sure we’re you’re coming from?

      • didn’t say anyone was. In Randy’s post above he was basically saying the 5th rated LB wouldn’t be as good as the 2nd rated CB and suggested you’re reaching for a player that fills a need rather than taking the best player for the team. All I’m saying is those “ratings” mean nothing.
        In addition, not everyone’s board is going to be the same. If you look at the prospect rankings on for instance there’s 5 LB’s and 5 CB’s in the top 32 but some teams might only have 3 of either in the first round or may have more of both in the first round.
        Everyone’s board is different and, like we’ve heard so many times, you’ve got to trust the process.
        If you have a 2nd rd grade on a guy it doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t see that prospect as a 1st rounder or even a 3rd rounder.
        And even then, the player is going to need to be a fit for the team. So, it doesn’t matter if the guy is rated higher by anyone else but the team picking them.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Isn’t that the point of BPA? It’s position neutral?

      • Just like player contracts I think ppl tend to get to tied up with the concept of “BPA”. What is BPA? If you’re picking 22nd like we are there could be numerous guys to choose from that make your team better and they can all be so close that the concept of BPA is really not a concern.
        We’ve all heard the draft is a crap shoot. Many of us have used that as an argument in the past and now, all of a sudden, we’re arguing for BPA.
        Who’s to say who is BPA if we’ve got Tak, Taco, Reddick, Humphrey, Feeney, Lamp and Howard staring us in the face when we’re picking. For fans, it’s a matter of opinion and then even with the teams you know there’s guys in league offices who’ve got hardon’s for certain players and will take one over another just because of that rather than making the best decision for the team. Look at Johnny Football.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Then, as Tim said above, the team takes the guy they like who they think can help the team the most. BPA.

      • that’s correct and it should be the way teams always go when it comes to drafting players. doesn’t always happen that way, unfortunately.
        but, more to the point, what I’m getting from a lot of ppl when it comes to the BPA argument is that there’s a huge discernable different between players at any point where you’re picking in the draft and I don’t think that’s the case.
        I think a lot of ppl hear BPA and they have in their minds that when we’re picking at #22 there’s going to be one guy who’s the cut and dry choice above any of the others who are there and I doubt very much it’s going to happen that way. I think the team will have a choice of up to a half dozen players who may be a fit for them and could help them and it’s going to be up to them to make the choice they feel is best for the team from those players. But, I doubt there’s a huge gap between the “talents” that makes it easy to say “well, it’s pretty easy to see who they should be taking here”.

  101. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, I think most of us agree with that. The way I view it is if you have a prospect graded at 7.0 at CB and all the LBs are 6.2 or less, it’s an easy decision in the 1st rd.

  102. pheloniusphish says:

    Here’s my question about Zach Brown…Why did the Bill’s only sign him to a 1-year contract and why aren’t they re-signing him? Why did the Titans let him walk for a 1-year vet minimum salary?

    • Tim Knight says:

      The Bills stepped in shit and got great production at that price.

      Brown was named to the Pro Bowl for the 2016 NFL season. He finished the season with 149 tackles (97 individual, 52 assisted), 4.0 sacks, 1 interception and 2 forced fumbles. Also 4 PD and 11 tackles for a loss.

    • dbolt48 says:

      In the Bills case they are going to bank on Ragland as their MLB like they planned prior to his injury. I can’t speak for his time as a Titan because I didn’t really focus on them.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He took advantage of Ragland going down. He’s been productive from day one. I think the Ryan’s are nuts. LOL

  103. pheloniusphish says:

    Well FA should be interesting.

  104. BPA is a nice concept but that’s all it is; a concept. If teams were really interested in going with BPA why do they drop positions in rounds and pass up players who could be potentially better picks for them? Because they aren’t players in positions of need?

  105. Randy says:

    I was talking about the team’s draft board. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I think it applies to the overall draft class too, but it should always be based on the team’s board. Everybody values players differently. Our 2nd ranked CB may be another team’s 6th…and they will have different priorities and needs that may or may not impact their placement on their boards. As I’ve said 1000 times, I think it should always be a combination of BPA/Need. How a particular draft sets up could impact stuff too. There’s no one “right” way to conduct a draft anyway.

  106. D says:

    Lou I agree with sio Moore and brown as being g a couple guys to come sided, I like minter as well.

    Wyoming. Cutrer is a guy I have had on my list for a while. I’m a little confused Gerber with playmakers out of small school divisions because they can be hard to truly evaluate, OL for example imo pretty easy to see even in small school divisions if they have what it takes, but was the RB really elusive, or was the competition just had, was the CB that much of a hawk or were the receivers and QBs just not very skilled. There are times where some of them also have some time at FBS schools so you can gather some things, but it still makes you wary. Hell just the level of coaching one division vs another can really affect that players projected success.

  107. D says:

    I don’t think there is any way you can do a absolute BPA, though I also think k there is no way ignore obvious BPA situational picks. BPA was the Tunsil pick, we did have a need on OL, we had needs all over the place but I think he was still a BPA pick over a need BPA, otherwise we like would be sitting here with Ragland and probably Derek Henry instead of Tunsil and Howard

    • D says:

      So.etimes things fall in your lap and you take that guy because he I.proves your team despite not being the biggest need position and you just make the rest of you draft make up for passing over the need position earlier

  108. olddolphan says:

    ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE is that if Miami does NOT acquire at least TWO starting O-Linemen in the combination of FA and the draft, we’re NOT going to be a Super Bowl contender this upcoming season! –You can have all the LB’s & D-Linemen (edge) players you want but a repeat of last year’s O-Line shortcomings means we’re shit-out-of luck on 2017!!!

  109. Mike E. says:


    Absolutely right, which is why even if he’s healthy, Koa Misi will get cut

  110. I know a lot of people poo poo my “standard” for a LB at 60% minimum solo tackles but when you look at Barrow’s draft profile and look at his “weaknesses” and the “bottom line” the profile couldn’t be more spot on. “too much production is downfield”. “leaves production on field” and “needs to be protected”.
    You look at his production from his senior year and what do you see? He had 91 tackles and some will look at that and say “wow, he had 91 tackles. that’s pretty darn good”. But, of those 91 tackles, 68 were assists and only 23 were solo. THAT’s huge and you can poo poo that all you want but when you look at the tape it’s all put into perspective.
    Barrow could be a good special teams addition but I don’t expect him to break into the lineup playing LB.
    Couple that with the fact that he’s an LSU linebacker and it’s going to be tough

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t poo poo that ratio at all. It’s one of the big reasons I want to bring Malcolm Smith here. He makes most of his tackles solo, and he has the speed and coverage ability too.

      • Here’s my list again. Includes Smith. I think possibly two of these guys could be on the team in camp. Smith makes a lot of sense. Gives you a starter at one spot without breaking the bank and I don’t think we need to break the bank on LB’s in FA; just upgrade the position. I believe Smith does that.
        I can also see someone like Lemonier as a possibility because of his edge rush capabilities and more of a backup role on the end than at LB. Not so much as a starter.
        Sio Moore could solidify our depth at the position.

    • dbolt48 says:

      He’ll get his shot & that’s all he’s getting is an opportunity. He either shows it or doesn’t. As of now he’s a camp body like the Canadian import. Common thread w/ both is speed and athletic ability.

  111. dbolt48 says:

    Albert released.

  112. Mike E. says:

    If that does happen, and they cut Albert, we will almost surely be signing one of the top FA OG’s. I can’t see any other way to do it, because we really need 3 OL now, a LG, RG, and then we need depth. Signing Bushrod for depth is also almost a certainty.

  113. Mike E. says:

    Personally, I like the move. I like stability, and relying on Albert and Pouncey can definitely come back to bite you.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero 13m13 minutes ago
      Miami Dolphins release Branden Albert

      It frees up quite a bit of money and allows us to target the top OL in FA. OD is getting what he’s been calling for.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Honestly, I like BA, but physically he broke down and really struggled with blitz pickups etc. was magnified during the playoffs.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yup, it looks that way. I think it’s the right move. Unless you had an excellent fallback option for Albert, I think it makes sense to let him go, and just replace him.

  114. dbolt48 says:

    C@MikeGarafolo: One more Dolphins release: DT Earl Mitchell, who was due $4m this upcoming season. He’ll be released today, source says.

  115. Tim Knight says:

    Mike Garafolo‏ @MikeGarafolo
    One more Dolphins release: DT Earl Mitchell, who was due $4m this upcoming season. He’ll be released today, source says.

    Let the revamping begin.

  116. dbolt48 says:

    @ArmandoSalguero: New. Miami Dolphins to release Branden Albert, Mario Williams, two others in salary cap moves

  117. dbolt48 says:

    Mario Williams gone also.

  118. The Flying Pig says:

    Too bad we parted ways with Albert

    I guess we need 2 OGs
    Cap moves are never easy

    Mithcell, Williams and Albert – I don’t think we will be worse net year without these 3
    But we have to make some more moves this offseason

    I wonder if the cap room saved can help us sign 2 starting OGs and depth at DT?
    Would be nice not to have to worry about this come draft time

  119. Tim Knight says:

    Does anyone know how much the cap is going up this year?

  120. Tim Knight says:

    Dead Cap:
    Albert $3.4M
    Williams $2M
    Mitchell $500K

  121. The Flying Pig says:

    The cap room is nice

    I’m not a huge fan of a lot of turnover though

    The 3 guys mentioned however were sort of at the end of the production they can contribute

  122. Mike E. says:

    I really like that we’re not standing pat with what we have. As much as I like Albert, I didn’t want to count on him, and obviously, they felt the same way about him and Mitchell. It will be interesting to see how we approach free agency now. You have to think we go after at least 1 OG, and maybe an OT.

  123. Rhino says:

    Tunsil made a ‘new direction’ and younger OL a possiblility. This was definitely a surprise…

    … part of me thinks they saw enough in Tunsil to man the LT position at a decent price for a few years. free agent OG’s are licking their lips at the possible pay day from Miami. lol

  124. Rhino says:

    It seems Fins attitude now is: “if there’s a history that you won’t play, why would we want to pay”

  125. Rhino says:

    With all the cap room… and the desire to sign a couple “star” players…

    …and with OL and LB the most glaring areas of need… We’d need to be able to land a couple of these guys (?)

    Zietler RG
    Lang RG (who’s gonna play LG now)
    Ingram LB
    C Jones LB (hope they don’t franchise him)
    Hightower LB (hope it’s not just scheme that elevated his value)

  126. Tim Knight says:

    Rhino, I think we’ll target C/G in the draft.

  127. sb7mvp says:

    I can’t exactly cheer these efforts right away until I see how they fill the holes they just created. What does making these moves now help? Could they not have waited? Legitimate question. I don’t follow the deadlines and cap stuff like I used to do.

    • dbolt48 says:

      FRom what I’ve seen, they knew they were moving on from those players & did these cuts to help the players in regards to catching on somewhere quicker.

    • Mike E. says:

      Again, that goes back to the fact that they have a plan, we just don’t know what it is, but they do. They didn’t just haphazardly release guys without a plan to fill them

    • Tim Knight says:

      FA starts in less then a month so the plan has to be laid out. I’m not cheering anything either just reacting. This is a typical 2nd phase under a new regime. We’re moving on from some guys and the issues that need to be addressed still remain. Money will be spent on more new players, that’s all.

  128. Randy says:

    Bushrod is actually a better fit at LG…not saying that’s what they’re looking at, but it’s an option. Zeitler anyone? Lol

  129. Randy says:

    So are the guards on the team right now Urbik, Steen and Bushrod? I don’t even know anymore.

  130. Randy says:

    I don’t want Bushrod starting, but we now appear to need two starting guards. Bushrod is a better movement guard than a power guard, so he MIGHT play better at LG. He would be a valuable backup at every position but center.

  131. dbolt48 says:

    Beasley is saying Miami is working on a trade for a big name Corner.

  132. Tim Knight says:

    Could trade for a corner and release Maxwell. He was inconsistent and missed some time including the end of the season. Just looking at the common trend.

  133. Tim Knight says:

    This could also be about freeing up money for extensions for our own as well.

  134. Tim Knight says:

    FYI, I’m just thinking out loud because today is different than yesterday. At least the offseason should be more exciting. The key is do the moves make us a better team? LOL

    • dbolt48 says:

      Always worry when you have limited assets, outside of cash, and those are traded for a single player not truly at a position of dire need.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think it always comes down to what the final 53 is. Not how you got there. Are you better? You know this team isn’t in the win a few more years mode, they’re not looking to take a step back, miss the playoffs to further their grand plan. That’s not how we’re built. They want to keep building on a culture of winning. We’re in that strike mode with a few additions and better play from our own. I think that’s the plan, to be one of those teams in the final 4.

  135. I’m not expecting the team to go nuts and use the money to sign a bunch of big name FA’s to try and win now. I think they’re going for players who can help this team win without breaking the bank and rather than bringing in the big names with the big contracts.
    Guys like Malcolm Smith can help the team win without the huge contract of a Dont’a Hightower. This coaching staff showed last season it has the ability to bring the best out of the roster and it’s not gong to be about bringing in that “one guy” but numerous guys who will improve the level of talent on the team.
    Part of the culture change in MIA is, going forward, one guy isn’t going to worth that much to the team. They win games by playing together and they aren’t going to be putting out huge sums to one person who can’t or won’t make that much of a difference by themselves.

    • sb7mvp says:

      If they dont go big in FA, it will be the first regime to not do it in year two in a long time. The signs are there to be concerned regardless of what the coaching staff did last year.

    • I’m not seeing it. Like I said, I think part of the culture change is they’re not going to be paying huge sums to FA’s because they know they can win if they just have talent.
      They know they don’t need to spend a huge amount on one guy when they can go out and just get talent and add it to the roster and make the team better.
      So, I’m not saying they aren’t in “win now” mode but they aren’t going to do it by signing the one huge name FA to the huge contract and then still have to add talent around that one guy in order to win.
      In other words, if you’re spending that kind of money on one guy and still need to add talent around him to win then how is he worth all that money?
      I think you’re going to see them be very selective as to who they sign and it’s going to be more about the fit and about a few guys who can really help rather than one guy who can’t get it done all on his own.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Well said!

  136. sb7mvp says:

    So no one has a real answer eh?

  137. Mike E. says:


    What do you consider big? More than 1 high priced player? 2? 3? I can see us spending big on one, and then a couple of medium contracts, and then small ones.

  138. Well, Albert has NOT been cut. Seems the team learned there’s some interest from others in acquiring him and are going to keep him on and utilize him in a trade instead. Interesting turn of events.

  139. Tim Knight says:

    We could go the route of lock up Alonso, FA LB, top 3 rounds (by day 2) and let the other 6-7 earn the depth or even a starting job. No doubt this unit will look different. Our new DC should know. 😉

  140. Tim Knight says:

    LT Tunsil
    C Pouncey
    RT James

    Not that we can’t fill it we can, but aren’t you sick of seeing those two positions be an albatross for however long? LOL

    Now we have to worry about Pouncey. We’ve got some work to do on the OL. But I think with Ajayi, we have to make sure we can get him to the 2nd level. The entire game changes when he’s doing that.

  141. Tim Knight says:

    Maybe Albert is part of this supposed trade for a corner?

  142. Maybe it’s Philly AGAIN. Eagles are looking to move Kendricks (supposedly) and they need a LT to guard Wentz’s blindside and Philly is one of our “trading partners”.

  143. Brian in NY says:

    VERY interesting turn of events today! I would rather trade Albert and move up a few spots in the first or second round. I’m not a fan of the late round pick trade- they are pretty useless.

  144. wyoming85 says:

  145. wyoming85 says:

  146. pheloniusphish says:

    I’m happy they are getting anything for BA. In the past they would have just let him walk and got nothing.

  147. Mike E. says:

    Revis wants his own island, or you get knocked out!

  148. sb7mvp says:

    So why didn’t they field trade offers before attempting to release?

  149. The Flying Pig says:

    Mel Kiper’s mock had OJ Howard at 18 today

    Just saying that is not too far off from us

    • dbolt48 says:

      njoku & Howard are both very talented, but im of the belief you have to go D in round 1 unless you think one of those two are generational talent. For some reason w/ Howard I worry he turns into a Germaine Gresham.

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