The Wedge Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers, Safety

Change is good.

You Earthlings do it – so do aliens like me


And I needed a new hairdo…

No I’m not vain

I just need something versatile for a galaxies

and what is a better example of versatility



What do you think of my new hairdo?  I love it!

Its the kind of do that you can wear when you man a high powered phaser cannon or when you are relaxing eating Xerbe Squids on your day off!

Versatile like Jabrill Peppers


So who is Peppers you say?

Is he a Safety or a CB?  Is he a Linebacker?

Does he play defense or offense?  Is he a running back?

Does he play special teams?  Is he a kick returner or a punt returner?

Who is Jabrill Peppers???  Well as Gary Oldman once said:


Peppers can do it all.  And that is an asset that he brings to whichever team drafts him

While playing for the Michigan Wolverines Peppers was a star.

In three years he had 86 solo tackles, 119 combined tackles, 18.5 tackled for a loss, 3 sacks, 1 interception, 11 passes defended, 10 catches, 82 receiving yards, 45 carries, 239 rushing yards, 5 offensive touchdowns, 39 punt returns, 510 punt return yards, 18 kick returns, 483 kick return yards, 1 special teams Touchdowns and 6 total Touchdowns.

I’m out of breathe…


Consider Jabrill Peppers to be the Alpha Male of the 2017 Draft.  He may be the most talented player available in 2017.

Peppers showed off that talent at the combine in Indianapolis.

Peppers, who tested with the Linebackers and the Defensive Backs ran a blazing 4.46 in the 40 yard dash, recorded 19 bench presses, a 35.5 vertical jump and a 128 inch broad jump.

Among Linebackers Peppers a the top 40 yard time, the 4th best vertical jump and the longest broad jump


In the NFL, Peppers will probably be a Safety and Nickelback

well that is what this alien hears anyway…but who knows.

What is really interesting is whether Peppers will play special teams in the NFL making him a dual threat he certainly has the skill set to return kicks.


But me…

I like Peppers on defense.  I can just imagine a healthy Reshad Jones pairing up with the athletic Peppers.  No one will be able to get to the edge against the Dolphins defense!

Peppers isn’t afraid to hit ball carriers and in fact often knifes behind the line of scrimmage fluidly.  I imagine the Peppers Safety Blitz in the NFL will be spicy!


So what kind of Alien Weapon is this ultimate swiss army knife

….um you guessed it

Always keep your Peppers handy


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849 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers, Safety

  1. D says:

    Never thought I’d see the day where Steven A was the dude making sense and not making everything a race issue and the others on the show were the the ones taking up that torch. Those other two on first take now are complete morons

  2. Tim Knight says:

    D, would you be shocked if Larsen is our starting RG and Steen at LG? I would not. Steen was doing a solid job filling in and starting at center until he suffered an ankle sprain. Then he couldn’t finish the season and we were on center #3 Urbik. Pundits forget that. How many teams can go 3 deep at center and roll along? It’s not easy.

  3. Can’t argue going with the plug and play guy in the 1st rd. Lamp starts day one at LG and solidifies the offensive line.

  4. Mike E. says:

    I’d be shocked if Larsen and Steen were our starters. We’re either drafting one of our starters, or we’re going to pick one up in FA

  5. Randy says:

    Poe is a classic 3/4 NT. Yes, you still have a NT in a 4/3, but it’s not a spot you spend big bucks. I don’t see any reason to sign Poe….especially if you’re gonna just use him in the rotation on running downs. He’s not a sacks guy on the interior. Am I missing something? How would we use him?

  6. Randy says:

    You’ll be more than shocked. You’ll be disappointed too. Lol

  7. Randy says:

    I wouldn’t be so sure that if we pick a guard at #22 he’d be an immediate starter. In fact, I’d be a little surprised if he was.

  8. Randy says:

    You have no idea what lamp can do at guard. Guard is a real man’s position, and it can take guys a little while to get used to the physicality of the position. This love for lamp has gone way over the top. Even in his combine grade, they only project him as a “Chance to become a good NFL starter” and barely that at 6.1. Get past the hype. This is not a good group of guards in this draft.

  9. Tim Knight says:

    Pouncey is the key to the OL this year. But where do you think these guards are coming from guys? Okay maybe the draft, maybe also a draftee will need some development time. Larsen was signed to start somewhere, he’s been there done that – center or either guard spot. So has Steen and Urbik.

    The offense is going to change in 2017 with the emergence of Ajayi and the addition of Thomas. This offense has about as much talent at the skill positions as you can ask for. We act like the world will end if we don’t find an elite guard. The only way that’s happening now is drafting a gem or an unknown surprises us.

    Again, it’s Pouncey who could create the decline in the depth chart. Talk about a $7M cap savings if we move on from him next year if he can’t hold up anymore.

  10. Randy says:

    I’m not saying he wouldn’t…and with our guard situation they need bodies. I think Larsen was signed in part as a guy who can step in at all three interior positions just in case a young draftee can’t. I’m just saying guard is a tough spot to step into…especially since none of the guys in this draft are all that special. They’re quite average actually.

    • stangerx says:

      I can’t judge the draft talent so much, but far as am concerned with our need at G any OL guy we take at #22 should be a starter. A 2nd or 3rd round guy would be different. Like Larsen’s ability to play C though, whether he starts or not.

  11. D says:

    Yeah that’s what I’m saying and I think xwhat Tim is saying, you definitely cannot pencil a rookie it, you can believe all day you can but a guy who has been in the league 3 years, and in the system the entire time the system has been in place has a leg up on the competition at least early. Lamp might have the higher end potential but I still wouldn’t be surprised if he was behind someone on the depth chart for first few games of the year at least. Gase even said last year if they hadn’t had to, Tunsil might not have started. So to me it’s a toss up between Steen, Larsen, or any rookie including a first rounder as to who would start.

    • D says:

      You guys who think Pouncey is out are fooling yourselves as long as Pouncey is ready to go by start of the year. Healthy Pouncey is unequaled on our team at OC.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Ajayi leads the league in rushing if Pouncey plays 14-16 games. 🙂

        Look for an offense where Ajayi and Thomas both score 10-12 TDs. That’s our bread and butter in the red zone.

  12. D says:

    Lou you have to look at a rookie like you would a kid out of college on a job. They moved that be the next CEO of the company off their educational background, natural intelligence, etc, but there are reasons that years of experience have a value equal to a certain number of years of college education, it’s because there is educational understanding and then there is real understanding, understanding of the procedures of the specific company, etc.

    As much as these guys might be “pro ready” they have never taken a pro snap and they have no experience I. The system and they have not acclimated to the speed of the game.

    There is not true “pro ready”. Listen to Tunsil interviews from first year, he said sane thing. It took him a little while to adjust to that and he was considered one of the most gifted and pro ready OL to come out of college in past decade.

  13. Tim Knight says:

    I counted up 65 players on our roster so far. Not sure if it’s accurate, but a couple more FA signings, 7 potential draft picks, 10-15 UDFAs and a couple of off the street type guys will get there. The final 53 is the key.

  14. Randy says:

    I hope you’re right! I guess I need to see guys come in and do it before I can claim this or that…that’s just me. Personally, the guy I think has the best chance to start right away in the NFL is Feeney. I wouldn’t say he’s the most polished gard in this draft, but he may be the cleanest coming out of the gate. I’d probably be just as happy with Moton as I would with Lamp. They’re pretty close. Hell, this whole guard class is just sorta one big average group. Frankly, I think there will be a lot better value at #22 at other positions.
    It really is wild how the NFL has changed. Fans…and teams too sometimes….just expect rookies to start day one. Even for high draft picks, it never used to be that way nearly as much. Sure, it’s always been there but not to this degree. Teams want to get their value out of that first year contract. Every team is young nowadays. It’s truly a young man’s game now.

  15. Randy says:

    If we truly are playing a ton of 3-4 teams this year, Pouncey is gonna be tested. He does not play nearly as well against zero tech nose guards. We will definitely need to be running away from that point or have guards who can help a lot.

  16. Armando Salguero‏
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    Dontari Poe visit with Dolphins is over. No contact.

  17. wyoming85 says:

  18. I just wonder if a guy who’s used to being a starter on the d line, playing almost every snap, is really going to be happy splitting snaps with another guy when he’s playing to try and maximize his next FA contract.

  19. stangerx says:

    One of the QAM guys giving the weather like ten minutes ago —

    “…..will be in the seventies tmrw…..Dontari Poe you are your way to the airport…..are you hearing that right now?”

  20. olddolphan says:

    Young Stanger; Our forecast is for lows in the upper 30’s tomorrow morning in Pasco County. –Looks like I’ll actually have to wear LONG PANTS to work tomorrow — HORRORS!! But, by lunch time, I’ll be back in my walking shorts! –HOPE all is well with you & the Mrs.

  21. getterdone says:

    That big gust of wind you felt a lil bit ago was the huge sigh of relief Jordan Phillips let out when Poe left town without throwing down any ink.

    Now go move some piles #97!

    • 2016 MIA qb pressures: Wake 26, Suh 21, Phillips 15.

      2016 MIA Stuffs/Stuff yds: 1. Andre Branch 6 for 15 yds. 2. Jordan Phillips 6 for 10 yds

      2016 MIA tkls for loss: 1. Suh 11, 2. Branch 8, 3. Wake 6, 4. Phillips 5

      Phillips has been effective for us. In addition to that he had 3 passes defensed and 1 interception. He will continue to improve and he will be a solid starter for us.

      • getterdone says:

        That’s the hope. However, for the many good plays he’s had, he’s also been invisible or taken out of the play too often.
        But I too think he’ll continue to develop. I stated the other day, many big DT’s don’t really come into their own until 3-4yrs it seems.
        He’s young and with solid coaching he should still grow into a force as a pro DT.

        Besides, rather than spend big on Poe, I’d see if Hankins came at a much lower price that we could make sense of. He too is young and trending up, whereas I think Poe will begin trending down…IMO.

  22. Tim Knight says:

    Having Poe come in for a visit is doing our due diligence just like visiting with Jonathan Allen who we have no shot drafting at #22. But you have to know who’s out there and how you value them.

    • getterdone says:

      That and the probable additional motivation couldn’t hurt #97. Gase wants him to be more consistent.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah but even Phillips knows that. Regardless we don’t have a penciled in #3 DT like we’ve had in the past. Phillips was that guy with Mitchell here. Now he’s #2. We have some guys who can slide inside on some downs but we need a 3rd DT to rely on in the rotation.

      • getterdone says:

        Tim, which is why I mentioned a looksie @ Hankins who’s 24yo.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    GD, Hankins is out there. We either find a guy within the league or in the draft.

    That said, can we even talk about Jordan as part of our edge rush because he’s still here at $3.225M? His dead cap is 0 so what’s going on with him?

    • getterdone says:

      Huh? Jordan Phillips…oh, you mean DFF…lol
      I’m sure we go Edge in the draft within the first 3 rounds & maybe double down a lil later.

      • Tim Knight says:

        But what do you make of Jordan still being on the team? Others have been released. He’s like an asteroid. Maybe some day. LOL

  24. The Flying Pig says:

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    We probably need a penicillin shot to get rid of Dion Jordan?

  26. the DT market right now is cold as ice with teams looking at the deep DT position in the draft for guys who can fill in on a rotational basis. Take a guy like Jaleel Johnson from Iowa. A team can draft him in the 3rd rd and have a huge cap savings and get the rotation out of him they need. They don’t need guys in a 4-3 who are playing 800+ snaps a season because they are splitting time during games anyway.

    MIA, for instance, can draft a guy like Johnson and have him split snaps with Phillips and Johnson could play 300 or so snaps on defense.

    So, the word is right now anyway that most teams aren’t looking to spend the money on these guys. It may get to the point where someone starts to make a move but nobody is banging down the doors on any of the free agents who are available.

    And, with only $10M or so in cap, MIA is going to be very selective in who they choose for the 3rd DT in the rotation.

  27. Tim Knight says:

    As of right now our front 7:
    DE Wake, Branch, Hayes, Jordan, Fede, N. Williams
    DT Suh, Phillips…
    LB Alonso, Timmons, Hewitt, Misi, Hull etc.

  28. getterdone says:

    Tim, the team has more inside knowledge than we do on DFF. Perhaps he’s still doing all the right things and they’re holding out hope he can at least compete in OTA’s, mini camps, and show a shred of evidence to warrant further considerations.

    Dion Asteroid FF 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:


      It would be a great story. Dion Jordan with 14.5 sacks for the Dolphins out of nowhere. 🙂

      • getterdone says:

        I’ve seen stranger things, so it wouldn’t really shock me too much. Would make for a nice story how someone can turn their life/career around before it’s absolutely too late.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        And Piggy wins two lotteries

  29. getterdone says:

    Bring back Tony McDaniel on a 1yr deal while grooming a later round draft pick or UDFA gem.

  30. olddolphan says:

    A NIPPY 35 degrees in Lutz, Florida, when I walked the dogs at 7:00 AM today! But temps will warm up nicely this afternoon when I take my daily walk around the complex at work.
    AGREE WITH THOSE saying there’s still lots of work to do for our favorite team. We will certainly need A BETTER TEAM THAN LAST YEAR just to equal our 10-6 record of 2016. Much. much, tougher schedule this season.
    MARCH MADNESS gets into full swing today! One of my favorite days in sports!

  31. dbolt48 says:

    LMAO at firstpick!


    Your score is: 12037 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 5 (LAR): Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 10 (N.O.): Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri (A)
    Round 3 Pick 5 (LAR): Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Kevin King, CB, Washington (A)
    Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Anthony Walker Jr., ILB, Northwestern (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 39 (N.O.): Jake Butt, TE, Michigan (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
    Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 5: Stevie Tu’ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (B-)

    Your Future Picks:
    2018 Round 1 Pick
    2019 Round 1 Pick

  32. mf13ss says:

    Keep in mind: just because Poe left Davie yesterday, that doesn’t mean he might not come back if he can’t find a better deal/situation. We’ll see what happens…

    I’ve been clamoring to sign Tony McDaniel for about a week (he’s still one of the best in the biz at stopping the run), but now that we’re officially interested in Poe (sorry, I doubted Jason LaConfora’s report late last week because he’s constantly wrong), I’m sure we want a NT-sized DT (Nose Guard) to command double-teams and swallow the run… thus freeing-up Suh to attack: McDaniel isn’t that guy.

    As I look to the draft, I’m not seeing a NG until later. What’s more, it generally takes a rookie NT 3-4 years to master the art, and perhaps slightly less when playing NG with added support on the line. REMEMBER: this guy will be constantly tasked with taking on double-teams… as opposed to a natty 4-3 DT, who can generally step in and excel from day 1. In short, don’t expect any NG via the Draft to play anytime soon.

    That brings me to the experienced Big Paul Soliai on the cheap. If the blueprint is to free-up Suh to attack, he’s the guy we want (if he still has it in him) if Poe doesn’t come back after his FA exploratory. I’ve wanted to see this happen each of the last two seasons (Big Paul next to Suh).

    Now if this NG idea folds altogether, Tony McDaniel (he’ll be cheap) could/should be our #1 target to be that run-stuffing DT next to Suh. We MUST be able to stop the run in 2017.

    To reiterate: until Poe signs elsewhere, he still may come back to us… it ain’t over.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      I’m sure Poe is asking too much money or he wouldn’t be leaving all these team visits without a contract.

      • mf13ss says:

        Correct, meaning we’re still in play.

      • I think he was expecting more from everyone and wasn’t getting it and that’s why he now has to make a decision rather than signing with someone for an offer he liked.

        He probably spent more time with MIA yesterday because he was hearing the same type of deal he heard elsewhere and they probably told him if he leaves they are moving on because they didn’t want to wait.

  33. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I have a feeling we’re gonna pick our starter at OG in the 2nd round.

  34. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Can jordan play DT? I’m sure his weight is close to Poe by now 🙂

  35. I’m not all that excited about the prospect of Poe playing for us. If he does, it’s going to be a 1 yr deal and I’m not getting excited about a player who’s only going to be here only 1 yr. That includes any guy we pick up for the rotation on the d-line because we’ll be looking at the same situation.

    Same thing goes for Hayes as well. He should help us with our run D but I’m not getting excited over a guy who isn’t the future at defensive end. Timmons as well. All these guys can help us this year but they aren’t our future.

    I’ll get excited over guys we bring in who are our future. Other than that, guys like Poe don’t do it for me.

  36. Now, if the Saints decided they wanted to move on from Stephone Anthony and we were able to get him, I’d get excited.

  37. Poe will help provide pressure on the qb from the interior of the line but if we’re looking to improve our run D he’s not going to help.

  38. I can’t believe the Pats are looking at the possibility of getting a 1st rd pick for a guy who was undrafted. SMH

  39. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:

    March 16, 2017 at 10:33 am

    Poe will help provide pressure on the qb from the interior of the line but if we’re looking to improve our run D he’s not going to help.
    I think the idea is that Poe will command double-teams, freeing Suh to attack the ball carrier. What’s more, Poe will clog running lanes, allowing our MIKE to attack the ball carrier. It’s not that Poe himself is a run-stuffing force… it’s what Poe would provide for others.

    It was the same idea regarding Earl Mitchell, but Mitchell isn’t nearly as big and disruptive as Poe. Teams still doubled Suh with Mitchell in there.

    People thought just because Mitchell played NT for the Texans that he was some kind of space-eater. That never was the case: Mitchell is a GAP-SHOOTING DT, not a NG and not a NT. I done tried to tell them. Ultimately, the project failed

    Poe will be what many thought Mitchell was to be for us, only 50 pounds BIGGER (true NT or NG)… ALONG with the ability to shoot the gap, albeit not quite as quickly as Mitchell. Poe is damned fast for a man of his size.

  40. stangerx says:

    Hyde’s title says it all. “Ten mock drafts, 10 different Dolphins picks”

    • mf13ss says:

      Emily Kaplan has the right idea, IMO.

      • stangerx says:

        Can’t really argue against any of them. Least it is has reached the point in the mock season where the mocksters actually understand what we do need, like not just LB but which type of LB.

  41. Joe Schad‏
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    Jordan Phillips is currently training on a live video on Instagram #MiamiDolphins

    • stangerx says:

      That timing after the Poe visit is just too funny. Guess we will get something out of his 9 hours in Davie no matter what team he ends up on.

  42. D. Orlando Ledbetter‏ @DOrlandoAJC 1h

    Dontari Poe’s World Tour continues. Has left MIami and is NOW off to Oakland.

    BigTimeFootball®‏ @BigTimeFootball 6m
    6 minutes ago

    Dolphins Inquired On Johnathan Hankins

  43. D says:

    Poe is a straight drive back power DT. I think he actually would work better over the OG than the OC, but for us, he would mean that you would have 4 guys on 2 DT’s because if you dont double Poe, he is going to drive his guy all the way back and collapse the front of the pocket. I really think NT was a bad place for him and he was put there because he is massively large and KC ran a 3-4. He and Phillips are very similar and i think you would seem more of a brutal penetrating 4-3 DT in him than was seen as a NT.

    I also think his run support numbers are reflective of him being an NT vs a DT. DT’s engange their man, find the ball and shed to take up a cutback or running lane, NT’s have a different assignment, which is more dive people back and conject the lane which causes them to cut into your DE’s and LB’s.

    You don’t really have to justify things to everyone for them to be true, just look to the facts. We thought he would fit our defense or we wouldn’t have brought him in for a visit, so obviously we saw potential in him as a 4-3 DT, who could give some experience in packages that we had for shifting him to over nose and bringing the DE in with a LB on the line, what Tim was calling our 5-3 look last year.

    We also got him to come in for a visit and you know some details of contract were worked out before he agreed and we paid for him to come in, so we had to be in the range of negotiating the number, and that means we have to be in the range of what the other teams bringing him in are at. That puts us at just as much potential for bringing him in as we were before and likely means whatever we are offering isn’t really low, either that or the rest of the teams are low balling as well.

    These are just facts seen, evidenced by him visiting, and staying long enough to discuss the team, its plans for him, etc. Its too easy to let our own opinions of whether or not we should sign him influence our belief of what we were offering and whether or not we really wanted him. Look at the fact it says something completely different than a lot of you are saying.

    That said i really didn’t care one way or the other all i know for sure is we wanted him and we wanted him as bad as we offered him . Only the team, coaches, FO, etc know a about what the level of their interest or the level of contribution they though they would get in return would be so ill just wait to see the details come out and base it off that. Its also possible that maybe they were hoping to have him to just give Phillips a mentor and a guy that might allow him a little more luxury of developing for another year, but we had reasons we wanted him and what we offered wasn’t chump change. It couldn’t have been and still got him to visit.

    • Suh has been mentoring Phillips from day one. They don’t need Poe to mentor him. Phillips is actually training his ass off right now. He knows this is his time in Miami. He’s being given the shot. I can’t wait. Shut up the doubters.

    • stangerx says:

      Whatever the exact reason, they would not have had Poe in unless they were interested….even if it was for a prove it contract at a price they knew would be lower than what he wanted. Intended or not, probably was a wake-up call for Phillips too. He’s on the team for the next two seasons, but his worst nightmare would be Poe signed two years solid on that (less chance for him to build stats for his 2nd contract) or a 1st or 2nd round DT pick (less chance plus replacement in waiting).

  44. D says:

    I dont think Gase is 100% convinced that Phillips’ heart is fully into football. His last interview, when asked about Phillips did not feel confident, it felt 50/50 on if he was going to wake up and start preparing like a pro. I think the talent discussion is undeibale and i think Gase sees that too, but Gase kicks people to the curb for not being passionate and dedicated to their jobs, and guys like Phillips has been, frustrate the shit out of guys like Gase. So IMO, the Poe thing was both a wakeup call to Phillips, and preparation for a “what if” he doesn’t get his shit straight. This is a good year for it, because a lot of talent DT’s are not being snatched up, so most of them probably want a better chance next year to hit the market again, which plays into a “give Phillips another year to be a pro” by getting a talented young DT on a 1 year show me.

    • Phillips is going to be just fine and if people were to watch his games from ’16 they’d see he’s a very effective DT for us. I think the misconception is he didn’t do his job all the time but Mitchell and Jones were the weak links when they filled in at his position splitting snaps.

      • D says:

        I love Phillips game Lou, have been a fan since they picked him. I have watched him just brutalize OG’s over the past year. He does get winded easy and he does almost fall off the field as far as production when he gets tired, i fact my only real complaint with him is that he doesnt stay on the field because of that. Gase said in his interview he “hopes” he gets in better condition because he was going to be expected to put up a lot more snaps than he previously was, im just saying Gase didnt talk confidently about it, more like he was hoping he would turn the corner and bre a pro but that it was on Phillips, not him to get there. He basically said it as a “he may or may not get there” and again, despite any good i see or you see, Gase is the evaluater that matters, and he isnt showing he is fully convinced.

        I hope you are right because i see an absolute stud when he is “ON”, like better than anyone else i have seen at his size in past few years type of stud.

      • well, he’s training his off right now for the season. so, I think he understands the importance of what they’re going to be asking him to do this year.

        I hear you about his stamina. It’s an issue. I can’t argue about that. When he’s in there though, he is definitely very effective.

  45. D says:

    He’s massive, naturally strong, great nasty demeanor, he’s the perfect DT, he is just preparation lazy, a lot like Nick Fairley was/kinda still is. It has hurt Nick as well, he went from super stud talk to waste. Im glad at least this year its looking like he is changing that, thats very good to hear. Scary part is, generally when these guys get their laziness in check, they blow up, because they feel better, they are stronger (scary thought), faster, etc and their production just takes off too because on top of being able to put more out there on the field, they also are out there more for that better physical ability to show up. It could be a very large explosion of production for him this year and maybe a turn the corner on his pro career. Id easily pay him in excess of 10-12mil per year if he is playing up to his potential.

  46. Randy says:

    Nose guards are almost always better against centers than guards because centers are typically weaker/smaller players. But, playing the zero tech means you’re gonna pretty much get doubled every play from one guard or the other. Against a 4 man front, the center can only double left or right….so somebody is getting single blocked. Because of this…on defense…playing the 3 tech means you get more one-on-one blocks than you do at nose. Most teams will slide their blocking towards Suh. Poe is strong, but he’s not quick or elusive. He may win more by pure power simply because he’s getting more single blocks than he would playing zero, but he’s not a penetrator…he’s a space occupier. You can occupy more blockers/space at zero because of what I said above. My guess is their hope would be that he draws the center away from Suh.
    And, for those who don’t remember, I loved Poe when he went into the draft and wanted to draft him. I was talking about him when people thought he would be a 5th round pick. It’s not that I dislike the player. I dislike the fit. Especially if he’s gonna be a one or two down player. Go draft a young kid, see what Phillips(who I want playing third downs) turns into and groom the youngster. But, as you said, it’s up to the team….I’d be fine either way. You can use Poe. I’d just go another way.
    Lastly, I do think teams bring in guys for reasons other than they truly want to sign him. It never hurts to kick the tires on players, but it doesn’t always have to mean the club is all giddy over signing the dude. They do use these visits to get info on lots of things…not just the player. We do play KC next season, don’t we?

  47. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I don’t think anyone thought of Mitchell as a space eating NT. Most of us expected him to make more plays in the backfield and he never really did. Then injuries took there toll and we moved on.

    • D says:

      He got the space eater label because he was out of position in a 3-4 in Houston before he signed with us. He definitely was not a space eater, he was suppose to be a more penetrating style DT. He wasn’t horrible, but he wasn’t special either.

      I think Phillips, even with his inconsistencies had reached a point where he was more effective even on a portion of his “off plays”, than Mitchell was when he was on. Last year, and probably due to the injury, was the first year this was very apparent and they decided the risk of not getting consistency out of Phillips was no longer outweighing the need for a starter who was better than Mitchell.

      I think any interest in a top FA, or us possibly drafting a DT like big Stevie is just a message to Phillips to push himself, and also a plan B of if he doesnt, especially since we are trying to get one year rental/show me contracts on those FA’s.

    • mf13ss says:

      I distinctly recall some saying, “DUDE! He was the NT for the Houston Texans! He’ll eat space!”. I said he never should have been utilized as much because he’s a strict gap-shooter.

      It’s all good and it is what it is. I wish Earl Mitchell much luck in the future… I was really hoping he’d work out for us in an effort to pressure Lady* up the gut.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Al always pointed out that he lead all NTs in solo tackles with Houston.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Always thought he was going to be in the Atkins mold from the Bengals using excellent speed & power to beat OGs vs girth and being immovable.

  48. mf13ss says:

    Randy, you are SPOT-ON as usual. Excellent post above, echoing more eloquently what I was trying to state earlier this morning.

  49. mf13ss says:

    Let’s take look at our current roster…

    DT: Being actively sought in FA after Earl Mitchell was cut, may address early in the Draft. Q: are we looking for a NG like Poe (just signed by the Falcons) to keep double-teams off Suh, or a traditional 4-3 DT now?
    DE: Likely to add one more to the rotation if we can upgrade from Fede and/or Warmsley in the Draft. Dion Jordan will be cut (as previously reported) or traded for crumbs.
    LB: Unless Neville Hewitt or Koa Misi (<– if he's even on our roster by then) are starting for us game 1, we're likely drafting one early.
    CB: Byron Maxwell is scheduled to make $10M in '18 with $0 in dead cap, just sayin'. Can we upgrade from Bobby McCain?
    S: Are Nate Allen or Michael Thomas the future at FS?

    QB: Is Brandon Doughty our future backup QB once Matt Moore moves on? Too early to tell, of course.
    RB: Can we upgrade from Storm Johnson and/or Senorise Perry as our 4th RB? Late 3rd day pick in the Draft, if at all?
    WR: Unless we PLAN to allow Jarvis Landry to walk in '18 (I can't see that happening), there's nothing to see here.
    TE: I see no reason to address TE as we've got plenty of up-and-coming talent behind Thomas and Fasano, but that's just me and my $.02. Others DO want to upgrade, via the Draft.
    T: Can we upgrade our depth here and possibly push Ja'Wuan James for the starting RT job?
    G: Can we find a starter early in the Draft? We likely will address this early.
    C: Larson is the presumed backup to Pouncey for when he goes down once again this year, yet there are Centers in the Draft this year who double as Guards (I see you, Pat Elflein).


  50. stangerx says:

    The investigation concluded that Jose Fernandez was responsible for the boat crash that killed him and two others. He was the one who ran the boat at 65 mph straight into a break-water jetty in the middle of the night based on his injuries and his DNA on the throttle and steering wheel. Before it came out that he was drunk as anything and on coke. What a waste of talent and about the best life anyone could hope for.

  51. Tim Knight says:

    By the way I haven’t seen Al post in quite some time. I hope all is well with him.

    • stangerx says:

      He couldn’t come to the Fest cause he got a new job and had training for it. Maybe his new job doesn’t let him hit the net at work. He’s an awesome dude though.

  52. wyoming85 says:

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Yeah I think Larsen will start at one of the guard spots unless he gets beaten out by someone.

  54. MF,
    I’m taking Elijah Hood in the 7th.

  55. With guys like Tedric Thompson, Xavier Woods and Dante Barnett all looking to be available in later rounds I don’t think Thomas nor Allen are the future at S. Also, MIA seems to be high on Rudy Ford for some reason. I hope that doesn’t happen but who knows?

    • dbolt48 says:

      Well I guess if any of these players have athletic ability, a functioning brain. & can play STs at a high level then they could replace Aikens and Thomas. Actually think Lucas might make one of them expendable soon.

  56. mf13ss says:

    dbolt48 says:

    March 16, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    I think Larsen is your starting RG.
    I don’t care which side he’s on; I agree with Tim that he’s likely one of our two starting Guards.

    • stangerx says:

      Likely is the key in there for me. Still think we will have one G spot locked up and the other as compete. I could see Nick Mangold in aqua as that, even if our C.

  57. stangerx says:

    Least we can be pretty sure what the Phins would not pay……and as the previous reports said he was open for was a one-year deal.

    Ian Rapopor@RapSheet
    The Falcons and DT Dontari Poe agree to a 1-year deal worth $8M, source said. He can make up to $10M with incentives.

  58. I still want to see our team take a shot at my boy CJ Beathard as well. Pick up a qb every year as they say. He won’t go until late and maybe even undrafted.

  59. Yeah, we weren’t going anywhere with Poe and that price. Not with $10M in cap. Even if we cut loose Misi and Jordan we weren’t doing that and we aren’t asking Tannehill to restructure this season unless we have someone we are extremely interested in.

    • stangerx says:

      No matter what the cap number is now we can sign whoever we want even if not necessarily two of them. And that only starts with making Tanny guaranteed for 2018 gets you a serious player. After the re-sign with Reshad…..only serious FA money player in 2018 is Landry. And even he could be made cap friendly for that year.

      • we can sign whoever we want? on what planet? we’ve got $10m to work with and we still need to get a deal done with Kiko. If we cut loose Misi and Jordan it gets us up to $17M and then we need to keep cap for injuries during the season.

        In addition, they keep $$ on hand to roll into next season. That’s the way they do it. They may be able to squeeze another $5M out of a Tannehill restructure this season IF they did it.

        We’re pretty much finished in FA. They’ll target a DT and if they can get one they like for that $3-4M/yr they want to pay they are going to do it. If not, they may wait and just go with Big Stevie in the draft.

      • Please explain what you mean here because I want to know what you’re thinking.

      • stangerx says:

        Was just pointing out that we can re-do the cap in a way that we can sign a guy like Poe. Why else bring him in? Not a big fan of pushing cap forward but like said, not much on the horizon for 2018…..even if you are right on Alonso will be there as well (but we pick say Reddick and maybe not as much of a concern).

        Not even saying I want that so much just that the option is there. Restructures on Tanny and Suh would yield high-end starter money…..and that is even if the cap is not pushed back.

        But once more am not as sure of what will happen as you. Just not convinced “We’re pretty much finished in FA.” At the same time, you might be right. Other than say a $4-5 mil G would be very pleased if that the case.

      • We already paid Suh a $20M bonus to restructure that we’re prorating at $4M/yr. I think we’re pretty much finished restructuring him.

        Tannehill can still be restructured and that can save us around $5M this year and even more down the road and I think it would be in the best interest of both parties to do it but I don’t see it happening THIS yr. I can definitely see it happening next offseason.

        With what we’ve done so far in signing our own I see Kiko getting a deal before long. I don’t foresee them waiting until the end of this season. I think they want to reward him as they did the others for doing well and want to keep him.

        They can easily keep his cap hit low in year one with a bonus and a low salary allocation in yr 1.

        The problem right now is they can’t really cut Misi loose because, AGAIN, of a lack of a better alternative. Once again, Misi is hanging on because we don’t have a choice.

      • stangerx says:

        Was just saying there is money to pull from. There always is. Guarantee Tanny for 2018 and you get cap money. Same with Suh for 2019. Obviously those come at a cost of locking them in and possible injury…..but it is there. And that doesn’t even include the likely cuts we have that you mentoined.

        Then you go into what we should do in real great points that I completely agree with (other than think a 2018 Tanny restructure, if needed, comes at little cost since think he will be on the team).

        Main point was you seem too concerned with the current cap number. Always ways around that.


  60. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:

    March 16, 2017 at 2:00 pm

    Likely is the key in there for me. Still think we will have one G spot locked up and the other as compete. I could see Nick Mangold in aqua as that, even if our C.
    There are no guarantees at this point in time regarding our Guard positions, thus “likely” is always the safe way to go! 🙂

    Mangold, huh? I don’t see it myself, but very interesting thought as a Guard. According to B/R, Mangold wants to finish his career as a Center, but NFL teams want him to entertain switching to Guard… we’ll see!

    • stangerx says:

      Was just using Mangold as an example. And he could either switch or Pouncey could. Whether it be a rental like him or a high draft pick, figuring one G side will be set and the other up for compete with the loser being a next-guy up type.

  61. Hankins is looking for multi-year deal and wants $8 M/yr. Takes him off the board as well. Wonder how much Sen’Derrick Marks is looking for.

  62. The Flying Pig says:


    I can’t believe you just argued that there is not a better alternative to Misi….WTF is going on with you?

    • No, no, no. I didn’t say there wasn’t a better alternative. The team feels they don’t have a better alternative on the roster right now and unless they find one Misi is here again. AGAIN!!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Sounds like you are…eh… Misi somebody…

        I actually think we can draft a LB in he 5th round who is likely o produce more than Misi

        when a guy can’t stay on the field
        its hard to argue than anyone is not a better alternative
        even when you don’t know who that alternative yet

        I heard< I don't remember where and it might be BS, that the team isn't cutting Misi bc it will allow him to train at the facility while he recovers from his injury
        and that is a courtesy that the team is willing to extend to him

        You think there is any truth to that?

  63. mf13ss says:

    It is seriously KILLING ME not being able to fit my man Desmond King into our Draft plans. I feel we have far more pressing needs than to draft him as either a FS or nickel CB in the 2nd Round.

    King is Pearl Thomas-lite: doesn’t quite have his speed or range, but King’s probably the most tenacious DB of this Draft. King and Pearl are essentially the same size (5’10”, 200-ish)… but we don’t like ‘smallish’ DBs… but he can play boundary, inside, high, and low… and he’s a BALLHAWK!

    King’s didn’t run the 40 at the Combine (abdominal strain), but WILL run at his Pro Day: the date for Iowa’s Pro Day can’t be found. That 40-time is going to weigh HEAVILY as to where King gets drafted.

    If King SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY falls to the 3rd Round to us (VERY doubtful), I’m FLYING to the podium for him and y’all can’t stop me! LOL 😀

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m not sure that versatile DB isn’t a pressing need
      particularly if you draft him to play FS following the Abdul injury
      we need a FS and if its one than can be a nickel instead, even better

      If I can justify picking Peppers at 22
      than its certainly justifiable to pick King in the 3rd

      I see LB and OG as bigger needs
      maybe even DE and DT

      but we don’t just pick the biggest need
      we pick needs that are the best players available IMO

    • personally, I think the draft is so deep in db’s I wouldn’t worry about taking one too early.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Everyone seems to say that. But there is always a run on corners and when it starts they go quick.

  64. The Flying Pig says:

    I think what Time means on King

    is that theory that you can never have enough DBs
    You think there are a ton left
    then you blink and the last 5 picks in the 2nd round were DBs
    They come of the board in packs every year

  65. mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:

    March 16, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    I’m not sure that versatile DB isn’t a pressing need
    particularly if you draft him to play FS following the Abdul injury
    we need a FS and if its one than can be a nickel instead, even better

    If I can justify picking Peppers at 22
    than its certainly justifiable to pick King in the 3rd
    Pig, I follow ya here… but you’re missing me: King will go in the 2nd Round… not the 3rd, where I HOPE(!) he falls to us and just justified picking him. Or did you mean it’s justifiable to draft King in the 2nd? Please clarify, Bro!

    • mf13ss says:

      I guess what I’m trying to say is that it’s a NO-BRAINER to take King in the 3rd… there’s no need for justification there AT ALL! He’d likely be the BPA.

      I’m wondering if you meant if it’s justifiable to take King in the 2nd?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s a justifiable pick in the 2nd

      but at the end of the day its ends up being BPA
      There will be LBs, DEs, and OL when we pick in the 2nd
      I do think the team thinks S is a need though
      So yes – I would take him or another safety with a 2nd

      Will it be deemed a reach to take him in the 2nd
      but who cares if he is can play

      I don’t think you take him to play CB or Nickel with a 2nd
      I think you have him as a Safety if you select him there

  66. Tim Knight says:

    Misi has value but his durability issues and salary don’t add up.

  67. Tim Knight says:

    DT Jonathan Hankins is looking for $10M+ per year. That’s probably why he’s still a UFA.

    • mf13ss says:

      Let me ask you, Tim… what make YOU of possibly bringing Big Paul back on the cheap to be our NG? He’d be able to spring Suh from constant double-teams…

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not so sure on Big Paul anymore. He’s 33 and breaking down. I also don’t think anyone we bring in helps to spring Suh free. He’s the guy you have to get blocked. Would you double Soliai and take your chances one on one with Suh? I wouldn’t.

      • dbolt48 says:

        I haven’t really paid attention to Soliai since he left. I think he’s a vet teams target after the draft. The 2 biggest positives in regards to Paul are that he loves Miami & he could be a mentor who might be able to truly guide Phillips into becoming a true professional.

  68. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:

    March 16, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    I’m not so sure on Big Paul anymore. He’s 33 and breaking down. I also don’t think anyone we bring in helps to spring Suh free. He’s the guy you have to get blocked. Would you double Soliai and take your chances one on one with Suh? I wouldn’t.
    Fair and GOOD reply. That would be my only question regarding Big Paul: is he breaking down or is he still serviceable?

    If Big Paul is breaking down, I don’t see too many other viable options to play NG… and THAT was likely why we went after Poe: he’s sizable, quick, and still youthful enough to spring Suh free.

    So if that’s the case, I’m calling Tony McDaniel… one of the best run-stuffers in the biz who is still a FA, and he’ll come cheap (under $1M last year for the Seahawks).

  69. mf13ss says:

    dbolt48 says:

    March 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    I haven’t really paid attention to Soliai since he left. I think he’s a vet teams target after the draft. The 2 biggest positives in regards to Paul are that he loves Miami & he could be a mentor who might be able to truly guide Phillips into becoming a true professional.
    Outstanding points, Dbolt. I just hope Big Paul is still serviceable. Get David Canter on line-one and lets talk to him.

  70. Miami Dolphins‏Verified account @MiamiDolphins 37s37 seconds ago
    We have re-signed Jermon Bushrod.

  71. mf13ss says:

    Jay Ajayi‏ @JayTrain23
    Ok i see you PRES lol!! @j_bushrod7475

  72. D says:

    Right now we dont really have to re-negotiate with anyone and we could have still signed Poe (though that ship has sailed), we could sign Hankins and structure the contract in such a way we could absorb the hit (even though i doubt it because we dont want the multi-year).

    We still have a couple players that would get us back almost 7.5 mil in cap savings, if we REALLY wanted to, we could make plenty of signings happen and still sign the rookie class. We still have Tanny’s contract we could re-negotiate to change the cap hits for future years, etc. We arent backs against the wall by any means, but i pretty much feel at this point we are done. I dont think we have strong interest in anyone left out there, unless some vet is just finding nothing else and is willing to take a very short term low money contract. If they arent humble and hungry i dont think they make this team.

  73. Tim Knight says:

    Cool on re-signing Bushrod. There were rumors out there that we were working on that. His versatility and leadership is valuable even if he doesn’t start.

  74. D says:

    I dont think Desmond King is the king od CB we are looking for. He’s talented, but he is no press corner, and we do a good bit of zone out of the press and he isnt a great zone guy either. He is more a pure man coverage CB.

  75. mf13ss says:

    Prof Lou,

    LOL, hey, no offense… but it seems as though Bushrod got the best of you when he told you, “We’ll see” on Twitter, man!

  76. D says:

    I dont think they are looking for an NT/NG M13. I think they saw Poe as a Phillips kind of guy, with good burst and a guy who if you didnt commit a second OL to blocking him would push his guy back into the QB or RB. I dont think Soliai is the kind of guy they are looking for because he isnt overly explosive. He is a decent space eater, but again, i think thats a misconception that thats what they are looking for.

    • mf13ss says:

      That’s fair! I’m thinking we wanted to get an elite NG with speed and youth on the cheap on a ‘show me’ deal. That doesn’t mean we’re hell-bent on getting a NG… and if Soliai has lost a step, move on to Tony McDaniel, expert 4-3 DT run-stuffer.

      • stangerx says:

        Randy brought it up right off the bat as to what we are looking for. All depends if they want Phillips to be an early down space-eater or turn into a force to get to the QB. He’s got the skills for the second, but last year the weight and wind of the first. Seems whoever else comes in depends on the answer to that.

  77. D says:

    Nice, im glad to see Bushrod back. He is a solid OL member, regardless of if he is playing as a starter or backup.

  78. D says:

    I could see King in the slot, but you want to take a slot CB in the 2nd?

  79. D says:

    Another OG that’s still out there is the fan favorite, Evan Mathis! lol

  80. D says:

    I think Bushrod is more than just a last resort guy, there are a few guys out there with pedigree and tread left on the tires, and they went back with Bushrod, so i dont really think he was last resort, though he definitely could have been an “expendable if your are too expensive” guy. They let him see in FA he didnt get a bigger contract and once he figured it out he signed at their price. Pretty standard with journeyman players.

  81. Tim Knight says:

    A lot of Ajayi’s yards came in a handful of games. Imagine if we can consistently block in the run game, his numbers could be crazy.

  82. stangerx says:

    So with the Bushrod signing and FA not even over yet — we have no need to fill in the first or even second round. We line up this Sunday and we have a G who started for us and another one who did for Bears last year.

    Yeah we need a third DT and Misi will probably get cut……but there is always whoever is lurking behind on the roster and June cuts. We could go QB, WR and TE in the first three rounds if the BPA value was there.

  83. mf13ss says:

    D says:

    March 16, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    I could see King in the slot, but you want to take a slot CB in the 2nd?
    That’s what I was asking Pig… is he saying it’s justifiable to take King in the 2nd Round? But King is NOT a strict nickel CB… he’s best projected as a FS. And his size makes him ZONE friendly, not press as you suggested above.

    Kevin Coyle would have LOVED King as a DB prospect in his zone system.

  84. Mike E. says:

    I see we signed Bushrod, have we done anything else?

  85. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:

    March 16, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    …but there is always whoever is lurking behind on the roster and June cuts…
    And here I thought I was the only one thinking ahead to June cuts. WISE, Mr. Stanger, indeed. We want to keep enough cap space for as much… ya never know what may fall out of the trees.

  86. Randy says:

    I will say this as a well known Iowa pimp: Desmond King is a baller. His athletic skills aren’t elite. That’s not how he wins. He is, however, a great leader and very smart player. I’d find a place for him. He is also a returner. He’ll be one of the smartest guys in the locker room. He’s one of those guys who’s just a real good football player and a great locker room guy from all accounts. Oh yeah, he also stays on the field.
    People are acting like he had a bad senior season. I saw every game. Teams stopped throwing at him after 8 INTs his junior year….and he still had 3. He’s gonna lose if he’s asked to cover deep speed constantly….anything else…I’ll take him.

  87. Tim Knight says:

    It sounds like we’re signing Odrick. I’ll look for more info. confirming this.

  88. D says:

    Yeah M13, thats basically what im saying is Vance Joseph (and i bleive Burkes will be pretty much the same) play a lot of press, both man and zone varieties, and yeah Coyle’s system would have been perfect for him, he would be exactly the player they were looking for

  89. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:

    March 16, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Randy brought it up right off the bat as to what we are looking for. All depends if they want Phillips to be an early down space-eater or turn into a force to get to the QB…
    So what are we looking for? No offense, but that didn’t declare what we’re looking for when stated it “all depends” on what we’re wanting Phillips to be, being Phillips himself is undefined as either a space-eater or gap-shooter. See what I mean?

    • D says:

      I think they want him to be a 4-3 DT, which means they could ask him to do just about any of those things on any given snap. I think they want and have in him, something way more versatile than a standard NT or gap eater.

  90. Rockphin says:

    so Professor Lou has bushrod tweeted you yet?

  91. Odrick is trolling Miami fans on Twitter

  92. mf13ss says:

    Rigel Spikes‏ @MF13SS · Jan 25

    #Iowa Desmond King is my fav DB in ’17 NFL Draft. Tenacious, plays bigger than he is, BALL HAWK, & run-stopper. INTELLIGENT cat as well.

  93. D says:

    Charlie at Walter Football has us taking (first 4 rounds)
    Charles Harris DE Missouri
    Haasan Reddick LB Temple
    Alex Anzalone LB Florida

    Id be pretty damn happy with that draft.

    • I can’t get excited about a one yr wonder at LB in the 3rd rd. Sorry, but it’s just me. If he had some kind of an outstanding season it would be different but he didn’t. I consider Anzalone with his production and injuries to be an udfa at best right now

  94. Randy says:

    I have no idea. I’m just throwing shit out there like everybody else. Here’s my thoughts: Phillips has the physical talent to do both. He’s big enough and quick enough to demand doubles and actually control or beat them. He can also make guards his bitch when teams single him up. I’ve seen him, as D has said, abuse guards at times. He SHOULD be the type of guy…based on his physical skills…that teams have to double. Suh is that sort of player. Imagine the damage you can do if Phillips can reach that level alongside Suh? Who do teams double?
    With Poe, it’s more a guy who has a strong push and a little wiggle…not as much as he did 5 years ago. I think D believes he’s got more….and maybe he still does. I think he would be better at under tackle…simply because he’s seeing more single blocking. I think he’s a gap filler though…not a gap penetrator. He can….just not like Phillips can when he’s balling. I don’t think teams are gonna worry a ton about doubling Poe in a 4-3. He’ll get push, but my guess is teams are still gonna double Suh more times than not….or slide protection his way. Phillips can force teams out of that…again…if he plays up to his potential consistently. And again, I actually like Poe! It wouldn’t have bothered me if they’d signed him. He definitely has value. I just would have gone another way.

  95. mf13ss says:

    Randy says:

    March 16, 2017 at 5:39 pm

    I will say this as a well known Iowa pimp: Desmond King is a baller…
    Thank you for sharing! I KNOW you watch these games being Iowa is in your conference and I agree with ya. Now when are you going to address me? That’s twice today I’ve given respect to ya for your football knowledge, and NOT falsely. Curious…

  96. Randy says:

    I’m from Iowa….definitely NOT a Minnesotan…just live here now. I may have seen every game King’s played….some Saturdays are fuzzy these past 4 years. I am a Hawkeye! Lol

  97. Randy says:

    Always good to shoot the shit with ya, bud! Glad to see you again. I usually have short windows in which to get posts in, and I don’t always get to cover everything. And speaking of…I’m heading out to shoot some pool with the fellas and tell lies about ourselves. Lol Later.

    • stangerx says:

      Randy — come to the Fest and there is always pool. You’d have to beat OD first, but I’ll have next game on that match.

  98. D says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 16, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    I can’t get excited about a one yr wonder at LB in the 3rd rd. Sorry, but it’s just me. If he had some kind of an outstanding season it would be different but he didn’t. I consider Anzalone with his production and injuries to be an udfa at best right now
    I understand Lou, you do not like him, but you are in the minority with that feeling. Most sites have him as a second or 3rd round prospect, and i have seen a couple that had him going in the late part of the first round.

    • D says:

      Mayock has him in the top 5 LBs, again, not tring to convince you you are wrong (though i do think the UDFA is going too far even for you), but i am showing you that it cant be so crazy to think that he would be worth a 3rd when so many people have him at least in a 2-3rd discussion.

      • he’s had one year of production in which he had 21 solo tackles and that’s it. plus, he’s got injury issues. I’m not saying this because I’m trying to prove something here but when you look at any guy who’s done what he’s done so far with the injuries he’s had there’s no way he should be considered a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. Guys like this have always gone late or undrafted.

        Me thinks people put too much of an emphasis on him coming from the Gators maybe.

    • Only thing that matters is where he goes in the draft and how he does once he gets to the next level. None of these mocks or opinions of guys like Mayock matter at this time.

  99. mf13ss says:


    I throw shit out there too… I’m just trying to figure out the angle of trying to sign Poe. I’m left to presume we want to keep Suh from being doubled and that makes sense. Get a true NG here in our 4-3 and free the multi-$$$ man in $uh up to do damage unlike he hasn’t been able to do thus far, at least statistically.

    If we’re comfy with either of Kiko or Timmons at the MIKE, I’d think we wouldn’t be trying the NG route… JMO. It’s all good though… perhaps a Tony McDaniel or his like would suffice. All I know is that we MUST stop the run in ’17, my man.

    Like you, I’m only trying to read the tea leaves, ’cause and effect’, ‘rhyme and reason’, and keeping up with these college cats to make our Phins better… and with INDEPENDENT thought. That’s why I LOVE exchanging football ideas with others like you. It’s FUN and for the LOVE of our Phins!!!

    Thanks for getting back to me, man!

  100. mf13ss says:

    Randy says:

    March 16, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    Always good to shoot the shit with ya, bud! Glad to see you again. I usually have short windows in which to get posts in, and I don’t always get to cover everything. And speaking of…I’m heading out to shoot some pool with the fellas and tell lies about ourselves. Lol Later.
    Likewise, buddy! You KNOW I’ve always held you in the very HIGHEST of esteem since the day we met on Omar’s blog. YOU KNOW FOOTBALL! Happy to reconnect with ya, Randy.

  101. stangerx says:

    mf13ss says….
    March 16, 2017 at 5:43 pm
    So what are we looking for? No offense, but that didn’t declare what we’re looking for when stated it “all depends” on what we’re wanting Phillips to be, being Phillips himself is undefined as either a space-eater or gap-shooter. See what I mean?
    I absolutely get what you mean, but my only point was it depends on Phillips. Have no clue what they are looking for without that. Pretty sure if they see no future in him they will let him eat away and bring in someone more nimble though……like Mitchell was.

  102. Tim Knight says:

    Phillips has the ability to be as dominant as he wants to be.

  103. Tim Knight says:

    So if the season started right now and everyone is healthy, this is what I believe will be our starting base offense.
    LT Tunsil
    LG Larsen/Bushrod
    C Pouncey
    RG Larsen/Bushrod
    RT James
    TE Fasano
    TE Thomas
    WR Landry
    WR Stills
    QB Tannehill
    RB Ajayi

    We’ll see how the OL jells but we have a lot of skill and reserves as well. If we’re solid up front we could be a very good offense.

  104. If people truly believe Tannehill is the shit and he’s their franchise qb then how in the world could you look at that offensive line and say, “yeah, we’re good to go?”

    Larsen and Bushrod are backups who will most likely be starting this season and people are fine with that? I wanted Larsen but I wanted him to solidify the depth in the interior of the line and in case Pouncey went down but I sure don’t want him and Bushrod starting on the line.

    Again, if you truly believe Tannehill is the guy you WANT the team to get this o-line fixed or they are going to waste the career of your prized qb.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, as of “right now” I think we can play, because it’s going to revolve around Ajayi and our skill players. 25-30 passes per game and 35+ rushes. I think that’s where we’re going.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Bushrod is further along on the right side at guard then this time last year. Big difference. He’ll be 33 in August, not 36. Maybe he has a really good year. It does happen.

  105. As of now, I’ve got a draft board of only 34 players thru 7 rds for MIA.

  106. getterdone says:

    Tim, on your offensive roster above, you didn’t have Parker on there, yet another weapon who i think takes a big leap this season.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’ll rotate with Landry and Stills in the big lineup and then be out there when we go 3 WR. Like I said we have good skill reserves as well.

  107. Here’s my board so far:
    F Lamp OG
    H Reddick LB
    Z Cunningham LB
    T Charlton DE
    M Humphrey CB
    G Bolles OT

  108. 2A
    T McKinley LB
    P Elflein C
    D Feeney OG
    T Moton OT
    D Johnson OG
    I Asiata OG

  109. 3A
    A Garcia OT
    C Phillips LB
    J Willis DE
    D Walker DE
    J Johnson DT
    Z Banner OG
    W Holden OT
    E Jackson SS

  110. 5A
    D Barnett SS
    E Lee LB
    D Kazee CB
    J Cutrer CB
    G Kittle TE
    S Gibson WR
    D Smoot DE
    J Conner RB
    A Anzalone LB
    X Woods SS
    J Davenport OT

  111. 7A
    R Goforth SS
    M Lee LB
    T Thompson S
    E Hood RB
    J Williams RB
    B Brown LB
    C Beathard QB

  112. olddolphan says:

    CONTRARY to what others may have said, I believe this team’s currently projected O-Line is NOT YET READY FOR PRIME TIME!!! Now, having said that, adding Elflein or Pocic or Lamp PLUS one more starting quality player would put this O-Line in the “very good to outstanding” category. But make no mistake about it. This O-Line is a work in progress, NOT an accomplished fact. There’s MORE work to be done IF our goal is to produce a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

    • You can’t accomplish everything you want in one offseason but you can get at least one thing right and this offensive line has been a work in progress way too long.

      When you look at the offense as a whole the one part of it that still stands out as needing the biggest amount of help is the offensive line. Sure, we could use a young stud TE but it’s nowhere near the glaring need the team has on the offensive line.

  113. The Flying Pig says:

  114. steveccnv says:

    Greetings from Cancun, 80s and sunny. What’s new with FA?

    • stangerx says:

      Nice Steve……enjoy. My best advice from personal experience there is if your wife wants to smoke pot outside of Senior Frogs just Say NO.

  115. BoulderPhinfan says:

    So is bushrod gonna be RG and Larsen LG?

    • D says:

      Id have Bushrod at LG and Larsen at RG, just because familiarity. Bushrod is more natural left side player, he has a career both college and pro’s on the left so his dominant first step is to the left, his instincts are for left, and i think thats part of why it took him so long to transition. Moving inside to OG was a big enough jump to combine it with a move to the opposite side you have played on your whole life. I still think its way too early to pencil anyone in to any spot but since Larsen has most recently been at RG, id keep him there and move Bushrod to the LG.

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        Thanks D. I agree. BTW this is a lot of starts.

        Omar Kelly‏Verified account @OmarKelly
        Between Jermon Bushrod, Ted Larsen, Kraig Urbik & Anthony Steen the #Dolphins’ contenders for the starting OG spots have 247 NFL starts

    • stangerx says:

      Only thing guaranteed is that they will both be coming into camp with a “compete” label. My guess is with each other and maybe someone else too, but you never know.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Our OL could use some good old fashion competition instead of trying to force young draft picks into the lineup when they weren’t qualified.

      • stangerx says:

        You think everyone on the team doesn’t remember the Bloody Monday that both Thomas and Turner were cleaning out their lockers after starting the day before? Talk about sending a message.

  116. D says:

    Interesting draft, that drafttek has for us.
    Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin
    Jarrad Davis LB UF
    Pat Elflein OC/OG OSU
    Sean Harlow OG Oregon St.
    Brendan Langley CB Lamar
    Ben Gedeon ILB Michigan
    Tashawn Bower DE LSU

  117. D says:

    Fansided has it.
    Forrest Lamp OG Western kentucky
    Jarrad Davis LB UF
    Derek Rivers DE Youngstown
    Tyler Olorsky OC/OG WVU
    Lorenzo Jerome S St. Francis
    Shaquil Griffen CB UCF
    Ardarius Stewart WR Alabama
    Ben Boulware ILB Clemson

    This Draft has a pretty decent flow to it, IMO (small break for Lou to shit on the UF LB selection lol)

    Stewart at the end, seems odd, but Stewart is a WR a lot like Landry so if they want a cheap add to the WR corp because they arent comfortable with all the ones we have, then i could see this pick not only being a ok one, but potentially a steal at that position in the draft.

  118. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, no doubt the players on this team know if they’re not performing up to par they won’t start, might be benched, inactive or cut.

    • D says:

      Some of the new ones might not fully understand that, they probably have heard stuff, but they might not know the fully gravity of it until they hit PS workouts lol.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah I’m sure some players will warn the newbees, don’t dog it dawg or you’ll be in the dog house. LOL

    • stangerx says:

      And that includes Ajayi told not to take a flight and Maxwell turning up on IR cause of butt splinters. Attitude is a key part of the new way…..don’t matter who you are. Shows in the FAs and the re-signs as well.

  119. D says:

    Lots of people beginning to get on board with Lamp in the first. Still feel DE is the better move, but you know what they said about crowds, its not necessarily that you should follow them, but its not a bad idea to pay attention to where they are headed.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Grier has said he believes in BPA in the first two rounds. We have enough wants/needs to go a lot of ways based on who we have highest on the board.

      • D says:

        Im sure, and like i said our BPA’s arent theirs so you just have to assume if it happens, that was a more educated persons idea of the better player. We get in our own way a lot of times as outsiders looking in, so yeah if they take Lamp im going to be ok with it, because they saw it that way from a MUCH better perspective. For now though i dont see him as BPA in most the mocks i have doen, i still have several guys i see falling to us that i see better. Again, not that they are, i just see it that way.

  120. mf13ss says:

    Larry Csonka‏ @Larry_Csonka39
    We’re closing in on the time of year when our thoughts turn towards migrating back to Alaska (link: #Alaska

  121. Tim Knight says:

    Omar going off on his black QB rants defending why no team wants Kaepernick. It’s not about the color of his skin, it’s about his attitude. QBs need to be leaders, not dividers.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t think he is a divider
      I don’t think most of his teammates have a problem with his attitude

      There are football reasons not to want Kaep on your team

      I just don’t think he is a desirable QB at this stage of his career on a football level
      But he might make some one a good backup

      • Phindog says:

        He will be a starter again…………………….. In the CFL !!

      • D says:

        I think its that is a big part of it. A lot of teams will look past harmony issues and take a shot on a talented player, but i also in some ways agree with Tim, maybe just not in the direct relation to the statement. QB does come with traits that make them desirable or not desirable and one of them is focus on their craft and i think another thing is team first. Kaepernick hasn’t shown to have either of these traits and it started way before this most recent crap, and has just been expounded upon. I dont think the players respect him in the least but its not just the social commentary stuff.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not about most, it’s about the players, coaches, staff and fans who have a problem with it. Would you want your QB to be someone who creates divisiveness? I would not.

        There’s a reason his agent sent out a message saying he won’t kneel anymore for the national anthem. It’s because he has no team.

  122. D says:

    If anything i think Tanny has some of the core leader traits you want in a QB. I think he needs to have more bite to his bark, though, and i think he needs to have A LOT more confidence out there. One of the biggest impressions i came away from Moore stepping in to the Offense last year was that, despite an argument for Tanny being a good bit more talented physically than Moore, Moore’s poise was superior as was his confidence in the pocket, and his decsisions on his throws. Tanny has a second guessing nature to himself out there on the field, and it would go a long way to improving several areas we consider him a little (some times a lot) lacking in, just by figuring out how to get past that.

  123. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 17, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    It’s not about most, it’s about the players, coaches, staff and fans who have a problem with it. Would you want your QB to be someone who creates divisiveness? I would not.

    There’s a reason his agent sent out a message saying he won’t kneel anymore for the national anthem. It’s because he has no team.
    I think Piggy is saying thatthe players were divided because of that, and that their problem with Kaepernick was probably more just confidence that he could get the job done as their QB. Im sure there were some players very against his stance, there had to be, its just a odds game, you couldnt have 100% of the players ok with it, since society as a whole wasnt 100% ok with it. But i do feel Piggy is right it was probably less about that and more about just, he cant get it done.

  124. Tim Knight says:

    D, my main point was that it’s not about the color of his skin that Omar is making it out to be. That’s absurd. It’s about all the other things we’ve mentioned. Jay Cutler is one of the NFL’s whipping boys and he’s white. He can play the position at a high level but people dislike the guy.

    • D says:

      Yeah on that point i agree. Omar takes things there a lot, and that kind of stuff just furthers the divide in our world. When things are about race, they need to be pointed out and dealt with. When they arent, you shouldnt make them about it, because it just muddies the waters, making the real cases harder to spot.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Welp everything anymore is muddied because that has become so many people’s claims for their own failures.

  125. mf13ss says:

    MY 5th 2017 Miami Dolphins Offseason Blueprint (3/17/17)

    Re-sign: Spencer Paysinger, LB/ST; Donald Butler, LB

    FA: Tony McDaniel, DT or Paul Soliai, NG; Jacquies Smith, low-tendered RFA DE (check on his knee injury); Trey Millard, H-Back

    R1P22: Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA
    R2: Dion Dawkins, OG/T, Temple
    R3: Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
    R5a: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA
    R5b: Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF
    R5c: Jon Toth, OL (OT, OG, C), Kentucky
    R7: Fish Smithson, FS, Kansas

    Projected UDFAs coming soon…

  126. dbolt48 says:

    When I look at the comment about Kaep as being a “divider”….I agree with it. This no about the taking a knee thing, but rather he’s been a selfish player & teammate throughout his time in the league. Going off and banging a teammates ex knowing & willingly isn’t a good teammate.

    • D says:

      Yeah thats pretty much how i feel about him, though divider i am not really seeing it quite there. He is just selfish, and that usually makes other only do what is obligated for you, not a drop more. Thats not a good teammae situation.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Remember in 2011 according to captain Dip-Shit Miami didn’t sign Vince Young to be their starting QB because the organization was racist.

  127. mf13ss says:

    Speaking of the CFL and QBs… I’ve still got my eyes on young Brandon Bridge. Unfortunately for him, his CFL career has yet to take off.

  128. mf13ss says:

    And speaking of the CFL, I’m VERY looking forward to seeing my man Shaky Smithson’s debut for the Ottawa Redblacks in June! He’s battled back from his former injuries and I hope he shows and proves his way back to the NFL.

  129. wyoming85 says:

  130. Randy says:

    I don’t like the value at thall guard position in round 1. That doesn’t mean they can’t draft one there. I just think there’s better value at other positions. The top guy or two….whomever you may think they are….are really not much better than the next 5 or so. I think the nice thing for us is that we can go several different ways. We should be able to get a good player at a position of need.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep! Go BPA in the 1st and 2nd then target need in the 3rd and with our three 5s. In the 7th take a chance on a talented guy who may have dropped for some reason or use it to trade up a few spots maybe in the 5th for someone specific.

    • mf13ss says:

      What Randy said. I agree.

  131. mf13ss says:

    I’m REALLY hoping that Dion Dawkins is flying under the radar of many. I’ve talked about him in January on the F-ME, and his Combine reinforces my thoughts on him.

    I’m not willing to draft an O-Lineman in the 1st due to the uber-talent available for us at Defensive positions of need… but I sure as hell would draft Dawkins in the 2nd… or Pat Elflein. Both have that POSITIONAL VERSATILITY that we need and are STUDS.

  132. stangerx says:

    Omar shows a lot of edge on tweets and some subjects, but give him the time to think about actual football while writing an article and he still has sense.

    “Outside of adding a few more youngsters on an aging offensive line, there isn’t a glaring need on offense heading into next month’s draft. The Dolphins have enough to line up a respectable 53-man roster, one comparable to last year’s 10-6 playoff team.”

    “But the roster moves made so far allow the Dolphins to take their time addressing both lines, and they won’t have to reach for anything specific early in the draft because there aren’t any glaring holes.”

    Kelly: After addressing all glaring holes, Dolphins can now draft best players available

    • Tim Knight says:

      “Outside of adding a few more youngsters on an aging offensive line,”

      Not really that old of an OL, the DL is probably more of a concern with age.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We only have three OL over 30 or over when the season starts – Bushrod at 33 in August, Urbik 32 in September and Larsen 30 in June.

  133. mf13ss says:


    As I promised you, I went back to Jon Toth’s tape. His 5.51 40-time at the Combine does not concern me, Brother. I’m not saying he’s elite or anything to that affect… but to net him in the 5th Round is VALUE. He’s sturdy at the POA, he can get slippery to make it to the 2nd level, and you NEVER notice him unless you’re looking for him (GRAND trait for an O-Line player).

    Yessir… I feel he’d be an excellent 5th Round pick for us and he’s POSITIONAL VERSATILE (T, G, and C). Mike Pouncey he is not… but SOLID as funk he IS. I could see him becoming a starting G or C in the NFL sooner than later.

    For us? Future LG, IMO, with the ability to flex to Center (or vice-versa). And in a pinch? Yup… he can play Tackle. He’s a ‘Swiss Army Knife’. In the ‘here and now’, he’ll provide the depth that our O-Line needs until he’s ready to become a full-time starter.

    In short… yes… he plays faster on the field than what his 40-time suggests.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t get too crazy about OL 40 times but 5.51 just seems sloth like. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not sure he’d make the team though. We already have 5 guys who can play center, 6+ who can play G and 6 who can play OT on our roster. I know some of them are long shots and backup types, just not sure we need a depth guy like Toth. We need more of a premier guy from the draft. But you never know.

    • D says:

      I have seen Toth in a few games over the past few years and he has a pretty good anchor, really solid technique staying under the pads of the defensive players, and really nasty punch to knock them back and get under their pads but he is a phone booth kinda guy, and he actually earns that vs some guys like Gabe Jackson, who were way more athletic and able to move than people gave them credit for.

      He really doesn’t have the feet for shifting around, there is no light an nimble in his steps, but he does have a lot of raw power and he will knock people back with that big punch, a pretty strong upper body and great hands. I wouldn’t be scared of taking him in the draft in the 5th or later, but i wouldn’t want to have him be our only OL drafted, because i think there might be nuances to our blocking schemes that might be outside what his level of footwork would excel at.

      • Tim Knight says:


      • D says:

        Pocic is the real swiss army knife OL in the draft that has starter potential at any of them, though i would say i would not want him to be our permanent LT, but filling in there for a game or two wouldn’t make me too nervous. He probably could play RT on James’ level, but id be thinking starting LG, backup OC if i was drafting him.

  134. Tim Knight says:

    D, I could see us going DL 1st, OL 2nd and LB 3rd adding more youth and solid competition to all three units. That could really help make the team better and deeper.

    • D says:

      Couple of the DT’s make me feel like that might be a strategy too, just depending on what DE’s and/or LB’s are left. There are a couple guys who have first round grades that could be guys they could move around from DE to DT because they have very good explosive power and short burst speed, even though they current are weighing in at the 280-290 range.

  135. D says:

    Im pretty comfortable that our draft strategy will have the flexibility to get good players in each round, so im not overly excited/nervous about getting any one specific guy or in what round we get them, i think what im most anticipating is what trades we might do, up in the draft, back. The depth of players has almost taken some of the energy from the draft lol, we have had so many years sitting on edge waiting for the name to be called, and this year it doesnt feel nearly as tense.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I agree. I focus more on positions than specific prospects. That’s why I have LB at the end of the 3rd or beginning of the 4th however you want to look at it. Alonso and Timmons are going to be the main guys on the filed most of the time. I think we can get some production from some other guys. But DL and OL are trench guys and this regime values that highly. Nothing else works when trench play is struggling.

      I also wonder if we brought Andre Carter on board as an asst. DL coach to tutor Jordan who is still here. That’s another edge guy already in the building even though we know there are a lot of issues there.

  136. The Flying Pig says:

    Live shot of Jon Toth running the 40

    • D says:

      Whats your 40 Piggy lol…..

      • D says:

        In HS, probably even in college, i would have smoked Toth in the 40. These days, especially with this penchant for poppin calf muscles, there is no way i beat him.

      • D says:

        Never-mind i thought it was a 5.31, its possible i might still beat him, if i actually made it the entire 40 yards with wheels left to finish the run.

  137. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m the one in the front D

  138. D says:

    Have any of you tried running a 40 yard dash in a while? I tried it semi recently because of the run rich run thing, and it felt like my feet were in molasses. Wasnt like i was ever blazing fast but more so the actual time of the 40, but the way i felt while running it that made me know what Mikey feels like every dary he walks the distance of his room to get his walker….took an eternity!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      we occasionally do sprints at my crossfit gym

      and I suck

      Honestly even the slowest times at the combine are amazing

    • Tim Knight says:

      I never ran a true 40, just for fun in gym back in the day. But I was pretty fast when I was young. I also had some good quick twitch moves albeit at an amateur level. Not comparing myself to world class athletes though. LOL

      • D says:

        We all ran 40’s in HS, i dont really know why, they never put down our times anywhere and it had no bearing on who would play and who wouldn’t. Maybe they just had us do it for fun or to push us to train hard so we could try to outdo each other with our times, not really sure but i could get under 5 for my 40, like 4.9 was i think my best, but more what im saying is, when i did those runs, i felt kinda normal speed at least. When i took off on that 40 recently i was like WTF are there cinderblocks tied to my feet, am i even moving, is time rolling backwards right now??

  139. Tim Knight says:

    I want to ask this again. Reply fuckfaces! LOL

    I also wonder if we brought Andre Carter on board as an asst. DL coach to tutor Jordan who is still here. That’s another edge guy already in the building even though we know there are a lot of issues there. It’s a start for him as a coach. He’s the same kind of build and player that Jordan was projected to be. Just food for thought.

    • D says:

      I dont really think so, i think we have done what we can for Jordan, i think they are just going to see if he comes back around. I think Carter was just a guy that we liked as far as having a coach that brings a fairly recent player perspective, former elite level pro who might could get any of our young guys to play at a higher level. More for rookies than for Jordan IMO. He might could have that effect on Jordan i guess, but i am not holding my breath.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      What’s makes you think Dion Jordan is in the building instead of in a cave somewhere devising his next plan to break our hearts…

  140. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ D

  141. Tim Knight says:

    Follow up question, do you think we’re waiting until after the draft to see where we are before deciding on Misi and Jordan?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think maybe they are just letting them rehab in the facility

      • Tim Knight says:

        But they’re on the payroll at almost $10M. That’s a lot of money as a favor.

        Releasing both is a cap savings of $7.4+M.

    • D says:

      I think Misi for sure would be one i think they are waiting to see from the drat what we do, i guess Jordan could also in that discussion as DE is one of the ones where we are really hoping to find this or next year starter. I think after day 2 we will know the fate of those guys.

  142. mf13ss says:

    D says:

    March 17, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    I have seen Toth in a few games over the past few years and he has a pretty good anchor, really solid technique staying under the pads of the defensive players, and really nasty punch to knock them back and get under their pads but he is a phone booth kinda guy…
    I’m not trying to be a d!ck here, but you DO realize that you are using my man Lance Zierlein’s description (complete with his descriptive WORDS) of Toth here, right? That’s a “NO-NO” in this scouting biz… just sayin’.

    Lance can’t STAND IT when other people use his same descriptive words regarding the same prospect; he’ll call them out.

    Hey, don’t kill me, the mere messenger, D.

    • D says:

      Just because we have the same conclusion. Can promise you thats my take on him and if it was similar to someone elses it was accidental/unintended. You have read my analysis of several players before, does that not look like something i normally write? Im not mad at you, but i can promise you, you are mistaken with what you feel about that.

    • mf13ss says:

      And I disagree with my man Lance… I see Toth slipping to the second level and as someone who doesn’t necessarily need to play in a “phone booth”. Toth has more experience than Lance gives him credit for. I am the one who calls him ‘slippery’… you won’t find that from any other scout… INDEPENDENT opinion, fomented from muah, having actually watched his tape (not highlight reels).

      I’m not trying to be confrontational here AT ALL! I’m just sayin’…

    • D says:

      What part is descriptive too lol, i mean anchor is what an OL does, phone booth is a descriptor a few of us have used here, punch is what OL and Dl do to get under the pads….. am i missing some sore of unbeknownst flair i have that i didnt? Maybe i need to make money off this shit lol.

      • D says:

        These are also terms i have used many times before…. sorry man, i guess im just caught off guard by it.

  143. mf13ss says:

    It’s all good, D. I didn’t mean to get into anything with you, friend.

  144. D says:

    Oh well im off to research someone else to copy words commonly used phrases and words from…. lol JK i just got to drive home.

  145. mf13ss says:

    I suppose my expectations are to hear MORE than what the national scouts (media) have to say. I REALLY like hearing independent opinions! No… not contrarian opinions (don’t like that at ALL), but rather, INSIGHT!

    Didn’t mean to rub ya the wrong way, D. Apologies.

  146. mf13ss says:

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  147. sb7mvp says:

    I’d rather draft the ice planet hoth

  148. bailbondmike says:

    D, last time I tried to run the 40 it turned into a 500 yd dash last spring. I was 51 at the time. We were arresting a guy who jumped bond. He took off and we all went after him. He was 6’5″ 230 I couldn’t catch up to him but didn’t lose any ground either, stayed about 20yds behind him. My boss is about 290 and was way behind. The young buck in the office was about 50 yds behind me. He caught hell for that. I did catch up to the guy due to a 7′ privacy fence around the back side of a building. I’m glad cause I was about to puke. Bad thing was I was not carrying and left my taser in the vehicle. He turned and sized me up 5’10” 200, I could see it in his eyes he was goin to rush me. Just in a nick of time my boss came around the other side of the building and started yelling taser, taser, taser. His facial expression changed to “awe hell” and he went down to his knees. I got the cuffs on him and asked my boss where the young buck was and he said in the front of the building puking. He caught much more hell for that. LOL
    To make a long story short, I believe if you take my fastest 40 yd segment out of that 500 and I believe it was in the high 4’s, maybe a 4.99. LOL I suffered the next 8 months with Plantar Fasciitis. Didn’t have to were a boot at night but did have to get inserts for my shoes and ice my foot every night. LOL

  149. bailbondmike says:

    I was on board with drafting Toth only cause I misread it and thought you said ROTH!

  150. Jordan Phillips‏
    Verified account

    @OmarKelly for now on @ me or keep my name out your mouth with all this “reporting” you do

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t buy that he “indeed” worked hard to get in football shape

      from 245 to 275 pounds in a few years is kind of dramatic for a guy who is working out like a professional athlete is

  151. I understand the team needs another DT in the rotation but I simply don’t understand it when fans think the team is going to magically take a guy in the early rounds who will supplant Phillips in his position next to Suh this season. It’s not going to happen.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think this idea can be traced to the “Phillips sucks” crowd who hated him the day he was drafted

  152. The Flying Pig says:

  153. Do you think when young players see their teammates being rewarded w/new contracts they will want to train and play harder?

    • Tim Knight says:

      I would hope so. A guy like Phillips has to know that if he plays really well there will be a big market for him. Big time DTs get paid.

  154. Rockphin says:

    76 degrees and sunny here at poolside the Rockphin Homestead. What’s the weather like where you guys are?

  155. latest rumor, this one from a SF radio show: MIA looking to trade up in the draft. I don’t care who it’s for if we trade up it’s the dumbfuck move of the century. If we were one or even two players away from being a perennial SB contender it would be a different story but there isn’t a single player that would make this team a SB contender in the next two years if we took him.

  156. Rhino says:

    83 degrees and sunny in South Texas

  157. steveccnv says:

    On the 40 times, what they do at the combine is a little different than any other 40 times, because they don’t start the clock until the runner starts, so it’s comparable to getting a perfect jump, just as time starts.

  158. The Flying Pig says:

    I wonder why/who we would trade up for?

    Reuben Foster would be my choice

  159. Rockphin says:

    We have to address the offensive line. Resigning bushrod who is rated the worst offensive guard in the league and signing Larson is a downgrade in my opinion. Tunsil to LT is a wash and Larson is a step back from Tunsil at LG.
    All the front office it was save money they did not improve the line. They better draft so good guards this year

    • Yeah, Larsen was one of the guys I wanted along with Schwenke but I wanted him more for depth than anything because he can play all three interior positions. Filling in is one thing. Starting is another.

      I don’t like the idea of going into the season with what we’ve got on the offensive line. If anyone thinks we’re getting it done with Larsen at LG and Bushrod at RG, or flip flopped, it’s not happening.

  160. Rockphin says:

    the depth of the offensive line is still offensive. It is almost guaranteed that those five guys will not all the able to play all 19 games in the backups will cost us several

    • Young is a panty waste. Urbik is just as bad. Steen at least can still be developed because he’s young but those other two guys are at the end of their careers and they’ve done nothing with their careers to this point.

      I know the argument is that every team doesn’t have great depth on the offensive line but that doesn’t preclude a team from trying. My only hope is that Brendel and Davis can take the positions from both of those guys and send them packing. At least we’d be moving in the right direction like we were when they cut loose Thomas and Turner.

      • steveccnv says:

        Those are some harsh words for a couple of lineman that played well enough to help get us to the playoffs. You come across as some type of self guru. Serious question, we know Randy played in the trenches, what’s your qualification on OL insight?

      • steveccnv says:

        I mean, did we already forget about guys like Colonblow, Dallas Thomas, and Billy Turner?

      • I’m sorry if you don’t like my opinion but that’s what it is.

  161. steveccnv says:

    Different people see and want different prospects for our team, for different reasons, and can all be correct, for why they want them, so to disagree is fine, but to shoot them down, because we think our own opinion is correct isnt.

  162. olddolphan says:

    RHINO: Already 83 in south Texas before 10 AM your time? PHEW!!! Then 90 degrees plus seems to be picture today for you. I’ve spent summers in San Antonio and Austin. Don’t care to spend any more there. 71 degrees right now with a 10 MPH breeze at 11:05 in the north Tampa suburbs.
    IT SURE would be nice if we got away from the “You’re entitled to your opinion as long as you agree with me” stand once expressed to me by a Baptist minister. But, hey, it is what it is. –I believe we are NO WHERE NEAR being good enough on the O-Line to compete successfully in the playoffs this coming season. Could I be dead wrong? You bet I can! But, AS ALWAYS, this line has to SHOW ME over the entire duration of the season. Let’s see how good they are IF they have to replace one or two starters for a few games. QUALITY DEPTH IN THE O-LINE (or lack thereof) KILLED US LAST SEASON. But, hey, it’s STILL NOT TOO LATE. There’s still time to assemble a Top-10 offensive line that will open holes for Ajayi and give Tannehill enough time to throw the ball on a consistent basis. A couple of wise moves are all that is needed to do the trick. And the Gase/Grier team has proven they ARE CAPABLE of selecting THE RIGHT PEOPLE. unlike the “DOOFUS BRIGADE” of years gone by.

    • stangerx says:

      Of course we will do more on the O-Line, only question is in what way. We at least got five to line up with though.

      Draft today we don’t have to go 0L (or any position) in the first. And even if not then, would be betting that one comes in the 2nd or 3rd. But then draft ain’t today and even if we do nothing before there are trades and June cut FAs after.

  163. Tim Knight says:

    I’m basically neutral on how the FO wants to go about building the team. If they feel there is a prospect that can make a big impact that they’re willing to trade up for so be it. We already have a lot of young developmental type players. Adding more impact players is what will elevate this team. What really matters is the final 53 and the results on the field.

  164. Mike E. says:

    I don’t think we’re done with the O-line quite yet. I’m happy Bushrod is back, he gives us good depth at OG and OT. I think we’ll be drafting at least 1 OL, and it may be as early as RD 1. I do believe though, if we go into the season with Larsen and Bushrod as our starters, we’re asking for trouble.

    • stangerx says:

      My best dream would be to line up with Larsen and Bushrod as the two-backups. Would show whatever other moves we made worked. At the same time…..those two guys have lots of starts btwn them. They are both low-end starters, but also means top at next guy in as well.

      • Mike E. says:

        That’s exactly how I feel Stanger. I like them as depth, but would much prefer to upgrade at both OG spots

      • Tim Knight says:

        Mike, the upgrades at both OG spots will likely be unknowns at this point. Meaning a draft pick, another vet guard on the cheap like a Larsen or Bushrod, some long shots already on the roster or a UDFA. I don’t see how we can do it any other way.

  165. Tim Knight says:

    Remember that Bushrod was coming off an injury, not only switched sides from left to right but from a career LT to RG. He should be more comfortable playing RG out of the gate this year opposed to last year when it was all new.

  166. 81Howie says:

    Lovely weather here in the Ocala area after my nice green lawn froze the other night.
    Damn old man winter, we barely got below 35 since November and then this 😦

  167. steveccnv says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 19, 2017 at 10:35 am
    I’m sorry if you don’t like my opinion but that’s what it is.
    I don’t have a problem with your opinion, but you don’t stop with it just being your opinion. The problem is thinking your opinion is word. You make some very good points, but others do too on the same subject, you can’t seem to get past what you see and think maybe there’s other valuable opinions too.

    • What did I say? I was pretty much agreeing with Rock’s assessment of the situation and adding in how I felt about it. If I’m wrong, time will tell. I feel my assessment of the situation is correct but if I’m proven wrong in the end I’ll admit that I was wrong.

      Yeah, it’s my opinion, and that’s how I feel about things and I base my opinion on evidence that I see in watching the games, over and over and over and over. Not just once or even twice.

      So, I’m not just stating some half assed opinion based on what I seem to recall being the case from games I’ve watched months ago like some national media personality.

      Again, I understand it’s just my opinion but I didn’t come in here blowing up someone else’s opinion telling them they were wrong.

  168. steveccnv says:

    Every year during FA people mention what a team is paying a FA, as his first year cap hit (when refiguring the current available cap space), but they seem to forget the top 51 is the cap, and when you add a new larger contract the smallest one goes off the top 51 count. In general every team has guys making the minimum about $465K, so that is what comes off the cap figure, when determining the new top 51.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s the same with the draft. Every year fans treat all draft picks like gold when we know half of it is usually a developmental stage. That is not going to help us win this year. We need the last few draft classes to step up their game and then add at least a couple more impact players.

      Then there are the fans who treat UDFAs and players not currently on teams more than who we have on our roster. So we shouldn’t worry about trading picks to target specific prospects. We can load up our roster with UDFAs and guys off the street to fill out our roster. 😉

  169. Mike E. says:


    Of course, but some of those unknowns can do very well. At the very least, I’d like 2 guys that are currently not on the roster to compete with Bushrod and Larsen, and I would much prefer a relatively early pick (RD 1-3). There may be a post draft cut that might be an upgrade over either Larsen or Bushrod too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Sure, look at how a 2014 UDFA we signed off the street in Steen sent Douglas to the PS and eventually off the team. You need to hit on some guys like that. Steen may be in play to start at guard and Larsen and Urbik the backup C/G. Then draft a prospect to compete as well and push Bushrod. You never know how it’s going to work out. But at least this new coaching staff has a better feel for the team and what they’re looking for as opposed to year one when they inherited a lot and had to learn the team along the way. Phase 2 should be more target specific.

  170. Mike E. says:

    Hey BBM! Glad to see you here man!

  171. Tim Knight says:

    So what positions do you feel we have glaring holes at as in nobody is proven enough to play?

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t think we have a glaring hole, but rather some weak spots. One of the LB spots may be an issue, other than Timmons and Kiko. Also, one or both OG spots. Other than age at DT and DE to be replenished for the future, I think we look pretty solid, depending of course upon team health.

      • Tim Knight says:

        So a healthy Misi and an ascending player like Hewitt can’t play LB along side Timmons and Kiko? We’re only going to have 3 LBs on the field maybe 25-30% of the time anyway. Pass rush, coverage and tackling is more important to me than just harping on LB. The DL and secondary has a lot to do with that. There’s a reason Gase said I’d like to have more corners.

        Look at the difference between our defense and ATL last year. Not a big difference. Neither were very good. But the Falcons’ offense changed everything. That’s what Gase wants to do, score early and often, control the clock with Ajayi and Co. and increase the snaps on offense vs. more snaps on defense. Gase didn’t know what Phase 2 could be until he saw it. That’s one of the biggest ways to improve on defense, control the scoreboard on offense. I think another team we know fairly well does that. 😉

      • Mike E. says:


        A healthy Misi is like a Mastodon, neither exists! lol

        Timmons is only a stopgap at this point, I want to get some LB’s who will be here to form our dominant defense. Maybe Hewitt is a guy that might be a solid player, but I’m not counting on it.

      • Tim,
        I’ll put this out there now. If we go into the season with Tunsil, Bushrod, Pouncey, Larsen and James our scoring avg on offense probably goes down.

        Score early and often? How do you propose that happens. Again, LAST in league in 3 offensive categories last season: 3 and out’s, time of possession per offensive possession and # of plays per offensive possession.

        That’s not changing with two backup offensive linemen starting.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t agree Tim, Atlanta’s D had fast LBs that kicked the cheats ass, until they got tired. We weren’t close to that.

  172. I don’t believe you’ve got to have first rd picks at every position on the offensive line. I think you can find a more than capable offensive lineman in the 3rd, 4th or 5th rd if you do your homework.

    If you look at the draft right now there’s guys like Adam Pankey from WVU who has projected to go undrafted who may still go in the 5th or even the 4th who can develop into a nice piece of the puzzle on the offensive line.

    But, I also don’t think you can continue to ignore the offensive line and expect things to change. I keep hearing that Tannehill hasn’t had an offensive line ranked above 30 the entire time he’s been in MIami. Don’t you think that should change?

    How do expect it to change if Bushrod and Larsen are your starters at RG and LG?

  173. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, Timmons is a stopgap for 1-2 seasons. That means this season. This is leading up to my next post. Maybe I will make it an article and send it in. 🙂

  174. Here is where I see the problem. We go into the season with Tunsil, Bushrod, Pouncey, Larsen and James as starters.
    Let’s say we have Steen, Urbik and Young as the main backups again.
    Pouncey goes down and Larsen kicks to center and Urbik or Steen play his RG spot. Now 3/5 of the line is backups.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The same issue all 32 other teams have when IF kicks in.

      What if we lose Suh and Tunsil in week 5? What if another team has the same issue? No team remains the same. You can’t build a roster based on a slew of injuries. That’s football.

      So we have some solid depth right? Why not target premier prospects then who jump them? We don’t need 12 or 7 or even 5, we need like 3.

      • We need to upgrade the level of talent across the board. Offensive line, defensive line, linebacker, safety and depth in all those areas.

        Maybe Larsen and Bushrod could be serviceable for us this year but they are stopgaps at best. They’re not the future for us at either guard position. How long do you kick the can down the road until you say it’s time to get two quality starters in there to play and get our offensive line out of the basement into at least the high teens as far as being effective.

        Hayes is a one yr rental. Wake is a pass rush specialist at this point. Stopping the run isn’t his forte. Hayes is not the future at DE.

        Allen is a one year rental. He’s not our future at safety.

        We need one more starting linebacker. Timmons is a 2 yr rental at best and he’s not our future at LB.

        You don’t wait until you have an actual hole to fill to address the situation. It would be nice to have a replacement at DE ready to go next year when Hayes is gone and not have him subjected to baptism by fire as a rookie. Same goes for Timmons position at LB and Allen’s position at S.

        The offensive line is a completely different situation.

      • steveccnv says:

        You’re killin’ me Lou. It would be nice to be solid at every position, which no team is, but you want to be solid at every position, plus have guys lined up to take over for 1 and 2 year guys like Timmons and Hayes.

  175. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, focus on 2017 before the future. It can all change in an instant. Play for today as you build.

    • Tim,
      When you’re in business you never just focus on the current year. You’ve always got to be looking ahead. Football is just like any other business.

      You want others to be chasing you; not the other way around. You set the trends, you define what an offense or a defense looks like.

      It will be interesting to see how the team approaches the draft and I’m holding out hope they stick to their guns on “trust the process”.

  176. Rockphin says:


    Even if Misis neck is healed

  177. Rockphin says:

    So, I’m not just stating some half assed opinion based on what I seem to recall being the case from games I’ve watched months ago like some national media personality.

    That is how I form all of my opinions by the way. 🙂

  178. Rockphin says:

    This was supposed to be in reply to Tim up the page.

  179. Mike E. says:


    Yeah man, send us an article, I’d love to put it out here.

  180. BailBondMike says:

    Mike E, Thanks man!

  181. Whether you have a salary cap or not the NFL is still a business. You can still be prepared for things like injuries or opportunities. You still want to be prepared if an opportunity to make a trade or to sign a player presents itself. It’s cap management. If you manage the cap properly you are in better shape then if you don’t.

    Like it or not, Tannenbaum screwed the pooch with the Suh contract. I, for one, do not believe we need Suh to win and win consistently. He’s a darn good player but without the talent around him we can’t win anyway and that’s been proven over the first two years he been in MIA. We had other players in the past and we were giving up less than 20ppg on defense. With Suh in MIA we give up over 20ppg on defense. Doesn’t mean it’s his fault but when you throw a ton of resources at one guy it doesn’t solve your problems.

    On the other end of the spectrum is the offensive line, where they decided to not throw a bunch of resources at it in free agency. I happen to believe the same as Mike, that the team isn’t finished with the offensive line and will address it further in the draft. It’s the idea that we should be happy with the line if we were to go into the season with Larsen and Bushrod as starting guards that I don’t agree with.

    We did the right thing by signing OUR guys first and spending the money on our players rather than bringing in someone else’s players and spending the money on them. That formula never worked for us in the past. I’m not arguing on how the money was spent. I’m just saying that there are glaring holes on the team and just having players penciled in at positions doesn’t mean we’re ready for the season.

    You go back and think about how we always had players returning season after season who were penciled in at their position just because of a lack of a better alternative and how did that turn out.
    So to say there’s no holes just because we’ve got guys who have played the position before is shortsighted. And, I’m not saying the team is looking at that way either. I think they understand the situation at certain positions isn’t good and they will try to plug the holes.

  182. stangerx says:

    Comment from a Steelers beat reporter on TImmons. Matches up with why the switch to being a tough Mike in a 4-3 might have made all the sense in the world for him. And not like many slowing down elite CBs haven’t moved to S and lots of good years after.
    ““At one time, Timmons was a special player in his ability to cover backs out of the backfield, tight ends, even the occasional wide receiver if an opponent’s formation isolated him in that situation.”

    “But over the last couple of years, that was no longer the case, and Timmons wasn’t getting any younger or faster. Then when the Dolphins offered a contract that guaranteed Timmons $11 million over the next two years, that had to have been a deal-breaker for the Steelers because he just isn’t that kind of player anymore. Maybe in Miami, but not here.”

  183. stangerx says:

    PBP’s Jason Lieser (who I am starting to respect more and more) ranks the AFC.

    1. Patriots
    2. Raiders
    3. Steelers
    4. Dolphins
    5. Titans
    6. Chiefs
    7. Broncos
    8. Ravens
    9. Bengals
    10. Colts
    11. Texans
    12. Chargers
    13. Jaguars
    14. Bills
    15. Jets
    16. Browns


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