The Wedge Scouting Report: Forrest Lamp

I love the feeling of riding on the back of a bullsaurus plowing through a foreign planet’s lifeforms.

They don’t stop for anyone and whatever is in front of ’em is flattened

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Kind of reminds me of an NFL lineman plowing through a defensive line!

I’m not overly impressed with the linemen in this year’s draft but…

I love Lamp

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Forrest Lamp

at 6’4, 310 pounds Lamp is the biggest prospect I’ve covered this offseason

The Western Kentucky standout is considered by many to be the top Guard in the draft.

Of course, Lamp didn’t play guard at Western Kentucky, he played tackl – 51 games at tackle in 4 years actually.

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But most scouts project Lamp to play guard in the NFL.

Actually more often than not, scouts compare Lamp to one of the best guards int he NFL – Zach Martin.

I wonder if Lamp can do for the Dolphins OL what Martin does for the Cowboys OL?

Wouldn’t that be something?  Ajayi rushing for 200 yards each week!

If the Dolphins take Lamp with the 22nd pick – then you can expect a powerful ground game each week.

NCAA Football: Western Kentucky at North Texas

Not impressed with the Hilltoppers?

Sure its a small school and that doesn’t put a lot of players in the NFL

Well Western Kentucky has scheduled some tough out of conference teams including Alabama and LSU the last couple of years – so Lamp has faced top  college talent.

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Lamp is good in pass protection.  He has quick feet and balance.

But what really stands out about Lamp is hi nastiness.  Lamp is going to plow through guys in the NFL when teams runs the ball.

Lamp should go early int he draft.  Mid to late first, maybe early 2nd round.  So the Dolphins probably will only get one chance at 22 to take him.

If you love Lamp like me you want to spend another first rounder on offensive line.

If I were to compare Lamp to an Alien weapon of Destruction I would compare him to the Powerful BullSaurus

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870 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Forrest Lamp

  1. D says:

    Piggy Kelly in the 7th is an easy value pick, besides you cant screw up a draft with a 7th round selection.lol

  2. wyoming85 says:

  3. wyoming85 says:

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    See Boulder! – we can’t get rid of Jordan
    Just like herpes

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    Happy Friday
    Here’s a story you can think about all weekend

  6. Mike E. says:

    I’d take Chad Kelly in the 7th. I might even take him in the 6th. Low risk, huge reward.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We have no 6th. 😉

      I heard he’s a guy teams won’t even have on their boards. It sounds like he’s a real asshole.

  7. stangerx says:

    Am I the only one thinking that if OJ Howard is still there at #22 that we take him? Whether him or someone else, think this team will try to catch a falling star at whatever position.

    • Tim Knight says:

      BPA

    • D says:

      I dont see anyone team in the top 10 that really would make them choose Howard over the other picks they have a choice of, and all of them have needs in play-maker positions. So i think he last until there, but starting at 11. even the Saints are suspect to take him, in fact id say half to 3/4’s of the group from 10-21 are likely to take him, so i think he goes somewhere in there.

      Really depends on who is still on the board, like Browns doing something stupid with the number 1 and things shift around, or another bong video shows up, things that can really shake things up, i dont see us having much of a chance for him at 22.

      My other feeling is that him bieing a mid first kind of guy right now, if he slides, and its not because of some controversial video surfacing, etc. Then his reason he is dropping is because universally, the teams scouts feel he is not worth that pick, which could also mean that we have a similar, and lower, grade on him that makes him not BPA for us. So its possible that even if he does drop, we wont select him.

      • stangerx says:

        Well for sure it is possible that we wouldn’t take him even if he is unexpectedly there for some reason our guys also know. But was just more using him as an example.

        And most teams — particularly the ones in the top half — aren’t set up BPA like we are. And even some after that have coaches thinking they have to win now as far as job security. A big way we can go BPA is that Gase has to figure he has the keys to the car for at least another two seasons at this point. Sorta how we are turning Pats or Steelers.

  8. D says:

    Tim i think he is a prick, he comes off that way in everything i have seen, however, the “with the 5th selection in the 7th round, the Miami Dolphins select Chad Kelly…. probably humbles him some, and maybe it gets him on track and motivated, and if it doesnt, its not like he would be the first 7th rounder to be cast off a squad and fade into obscurity.

  9. wyoming85 says:

    Andrew Groover‏ @APGroover 50m50 minutes ago
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    TE Jake Butt tells Mike Mayock he could be ready to play again by mid-July. Ahead of schedule.

  10. D says:

    We cant go off CBS, or NFL.com, or any of the other sites player evaluations, we have to trust our own coaches draft grades and big board. I have always wanted to see the big boards (even if its after the draft) just so i had a glimpse of how they have them set up and what players were in what positions, but I/we never will get to see that so its basically just got to be blind trust the team has a ranking, whatever that might be and they execute a plan, whatever that might be to get the guys they want when they have to get them. I still cant fathom what they knew to make the Howard trade up make sense, but there had to be something or they wouldn’t have made it.

  11. stangerx says:

    According to Omar at least, Thomas’ restructured contract is mostly a show me come next year. Yes with a hit if we cut him in 2018, but not a huge one.
    —————————————-
    “Thomas, who was acquired in exchange for a seventh-round pick in next month’s draft, turned his contract into a two-year deal worth $12.2 million. According to a league source, $7.5 million of it is fully guaranteed. He will earn $5.5 million in base salary this season, which is fully guaranteed. And in 2018 the seven-year veteran, who turns 29 in June, will earn $6.5 million in base salary, of which $2 million is fully guaranteed.”

  12. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Polian talks about him all the time. He knows the family well. He says Kelly may well be the most talented QB in the draft. He doesn’t think he’s a bad kid, just very immature. He thinks if he goes to the right team with the right staff, he could turn out to be a very good QB and a better person.

    • wyoming85 says:

      I say them all play College ball and he has a higher ceiling than the rest!
      That is on the field of course!
      In my most humble opinion of course! 😉

      • Mike E. says:

        I respect Polian a lot. If he says the kid isn’t isn’t a bad kid, I take him for his word. I have also heard other NFL people say Kelly might be the most talented QB of the lot.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Then you would think teams with QB needs would take a chance on him before the 7th rd.

      • D says:

        They probably will, i kind of expect him to be in the boat that AJ McCarron and Zach Mettenberer were, except he has more baggage with more talent, so overall i could easily see him going 4-6th, again though we were talking about my pick on the mock where i got him in the seventh lol, so its not that we were speculating he would go there, just getting him there to us isnt a bad pick, its a low risk high reward one.

  13. D says:

    Mike, i think it goes a little beyond just maturity issues, i think its a big part of it but its also a entitlement with him, a little bit of a god complex and a little bit of anger management issues. He definately is at best a 50-50 to keep himself focused on football, and i have heard some people talk about him like Cutler, but he is pretty much the anti-cutler. If things aren’t going his way out there, instead of slothing off somewhere and moping, he could kill a wind up shoeing a football so far up a refs ass that the next time we saw him would be on the new reality series based off the longest yard with him the QB of a penal league team.

    I still like whats there though, easily the most talented TRUE QB in this draft. I like a lot of the intangibles of Watson, and Kizer, and its where they are strong that Kelly is weak, but the ceiling is way higher with Kelly.

  14. The Flying Pig says:

    I think if I was a big time college qb I would be a dick too

    But I’m just pork so…

  15. wyoming85 says:

    22: R1P22 EDGE DEREK BARNETT, TENNESSEE
    54: R2P22 LB JARRAD DAVIS, FLORIDA
    97: R3P33 G ISAAC ASIATAUTAH
    167: R5P22 CB DAMONTAE KAZEE, SAN DIEGO STATE
    179: R5P34 C JON TOTH, KENTUCKY
    185: R5P40 S JADAR JOHNSON, CLEMSON
    224: R7P5 QB CHAD KELLY, OLE MISS

  16. wyoming85 says:

  17. stangerx says:

    Hard to argue with Jason Lieser on this one. And not only are are studs signed…..they are young too.

    ———————————–

    “Of the Dolphins’ 13 core players, wide receiver Jarvis Landry is the only one whose contract is up at the end of the season. Tannenbaum hinted that the team would explore that this offseason and Landry said he was optimistic they’ll reach a deal.”

    “The majority of Miami’s key pieces are young, too. Everyone but Wake and Suh are under 30, and the average age of the other 11 players is 25.7. The offense features a 1,200-yard rusher, a two-time 1,100-yard receiver and a quarterback who made strides under Gase. The defense has a solid line and quality pillars behind it in Alonso and Jones.”

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/football/2017-dolphins-adam-gase-ties-himself-unproven-promising-group/8tPm5v6J6fGOLWqe2JrnII/

  18. son of a son of a shula says:

    …and then it was Friday night

  19. son of a son of a shula says:

    My favorite Entenman’s donuts are the variety box
    The crumb ones… Ohhh

    and coffee ( 5 scoops 11 cups)

  20. The Flying Pig says:

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ve seen these mocks you guys do with Elflein and Pocic going to us in the 3rd. Is that really possible?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Odds are probably no

        But you play the board
        If we want a quality interior OL, the 2nd round might be the place

        Tough call on what position to take
        But when you look at the depth at DE, the need for Interior OL, S and LB and the opportunity to get better elsewhere

        We would almost be better served with multiple 2nd rounders

        I’m not opposed to moving back in the 1st
        And moving up in the 3rd

        If we had 4 2nd rounders we can probably get quality players

        But in the back end of the 3rd round it’s hard to beleive elfin or Pocic will be there

  21. olddolphan says:

    UNBELIEVABLE ENDING to the Florida-Wisconsin March Madness game!! And WHO would have figured the SEC to be the strongest conference in the tournament?? With Florida, Kentucky & South Carolina all advancing to the Elite 8, the SEC has 3 of the final 8 teams. With Florida playing South Carolina in the Eastern Finals, the SEC is guaranteed at least one team in the Final 4. A second SEC team, Kentucky, will also make the Final 4 if they beat North Carolina tomorrow.
    THAT CONTEST is the most eagerly anticipated game in the entire tournament up to this point! But I don’t see ANY WAY the North Carolina-Kentucky game CAN BE BETTER THAN THE WISCONSIN-FLORIDA GAME!! Tip-off is 2:30 PM, Sunday.

  22. Mike E. says:

    It appears that Zach Brown is now choosing only between Miami and Oakland. I’m kind of indifferent as to whether we sign him or not. It would be nice to have 3 solid veteran LB’s, and go into the draft w/o an immediate need for a LB, which would allow us to draft anywhere we want.

    • steveccnv says:

      Wow, that would be great to have a strong LB corps, after it being the team weakness.

      • Mike E. says:

        On paper it would certainly seem a lot better, but I’d like to see it work before I start drooling. 🙂

      • steveccnv says:

        When you had what we had last year to close out the season at LB, it’s easy to start drooling with Kiko, Timmons and Brown.

  23. The Flying Pig says:

    Kiko Timmons and Brown is probably a 200% improvement
    They are all good but not great players

    I would like to draft young defensive players
    But given our OG situation – it might be wise to hold off on LB if possible
    And I do think you can find depth at LB in the 5th round

    We have some flexibility if we sign Brown

    But if we sign Brown and draft a LB in the 1st round too
    Don’t expect any salty pig tears

  24. Mike E. says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we look at safety early, possibly even 1st RD. I think like Timmons, Allen is a stopgap.

    • stangerx says:

      Safety and OG are the top new needs as far next year’s roster. I would say LB too, but then our third backer (unless we pick for the future) is going to be coming out in the nickle….and these days than means close to half the time.

      • Mike E. says:

        DE too. You might even say CB. Not only OG, but possibly an OG that has played OT too. That’s why guys like Lamp or Dawkins have a lot of value. Unless Ja’Wuan James has a bounceback season, he may be gone next year

      • steveccnv says:

        Ja’waauuaan was pretty good last year during the last 10 games.

      • stangerx says:

        We for sure might go DE, but that will be what I was thinking would be a pick with the future in mind (mainly Wake’s age). Absent injury we are three solid at DE for next year at least. But for that same reason, CB may come in as well. Don’t think Maxwell is a Gase kinda guy. And good point on James’ future….didn’t realize he was up next year. Whether him or not shifts……we can pick high at any OL line position and have a new starting G.

      • steveccnv says:

        We’re going BPA in round one. Just like last year they setup FA to be allowed to do that. Could be OL, or anything on D.

      • stangerx says:

        steve — only positions that would shock me in the first would be QB, WR, RB and TE (unless Howard drops). If we go to say CB or DE in the first though, thinking 2nd and 3rd will be more about present need (OL, S, LB). Third day could be anything.

      • steveccnv says:

        I’d hope that would be the case, but you never know, what if one of the top RBs falls to us?

  25. stangerx says:

    A high end watch store at the Bellagio in Vegas was hit by armed robbers yesterday. The security cam picture makes wonder (1) is the Pig on vacay and (2) instead of a robbery could be this be the start of the uprising?

  26. Ken says:

    What’s up FUers?

  27. Ken says:

    I was having draft dreams last night. It’s getting to be that time of year

    • stangerx says:

      Time of the year when you both get that and no real big info. Least when you are in the top half of the draft you can lock in on just a few players. As always though, same guy still on my radar. Trad E Down on my board every year, particularly in a deep draft year.

  28. Mike E. says:

    Stanger

    I wouldn’t be shocked if they took Njoku either. He’s a very good athlete that would probably do well in our offense. He’s more of a longsot than Howard though, because there are guys available later in the draft that may be closer to Njoku

    • stangerx says:

      Howard would be the all phase guy, but if they see the talent in him….wouldn’t be shocked with the pick. They take Njoku will be pretty sure that Thomas will decide right then to rent rather than buy. Would be no 2 TE Gronk/Herandez dreams even possible.

      • steveccnv says:

        Why would Thomas decide right then? That’s what cowards do. Are you calling him a coward?

      • stangerx says:

        Cause Njoku seems to be a young seam threat Thomas. So don’t see the two of them as the center of a 2 TE offense. Howard can block too.

  29. steveccnv says:

    Beside Ken’s wet dreams, what’s going on?

  30. steveccnv says:

    If I’m Belicheat, and Howard is there at about 12 I’m trading up, but with there lack of a 1st it makes it tough.

  31. steveccnv says:

    I’d rather take Pocic or Elflein in the 2nd or 3rd, than Lamp in the first. Not that I don’t like Lamp, but I’d rather go D in the first.

    • Ken says:

      Depends who is available on D. If Peppers is there I take him over Lamp but say if they take Taco instead I would be disappointed

      • steveccnv says:

        In Gase I trust, he’s not going to do something stupid, he’ll take BPA at a position of moderate to huge need.

  32. steveccnv says:

    In Solomon Thomas I see Jordan Phillips, he dogs it a lot, but has the ability.

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    • steveccnv says:

      That’s what I want to hear, he’s going to work on one of his weaknesses during the offseason, very professional. But he doesnt need to put the league on notice, he’s just giving people motivation to hit him a little harder, or cheapshot him.

  34. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I could see the Pats targeting Engram.

    • steveccnv says:

      Yeah, and I wouldn’t mind having him, but TE really isn’t a need, even though there seem to be plenty of good ones in this draft.

  35. steveccnv says:

    Brown wants $6M per year, do you pay him?

  36. steveccnv says:

    Twin girls across the street learning how to drive. Good thing our cars are off the street.

  37. Ian rapoport‏ @Ianrapoport1011 12h
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    @ZachBrown_55 announces he will make his choice between Miami, Oakland, bills and others in a TV special called the decision. Tomorrow 8pm
    ______________________________
    I’m just hoping that based on the new culture Gase has in place that MIA has opted out of being part of this circus and has cut the cord with this clown.

  38. steveccnv says:

    Bill Barnwell is at it again. On the subject of Miami knowing the work ethic and character of there own, if they can fix the D the signings of their own should pay off. He says I’d like to believe that, but this is the same team that didn’t know Ajayi was their best back until Oct.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s because he wasn’t the teams best back until Oct. With a starting spot on the line the last preseason game he shit the bed. I guess he must’ve missed that one, or his attitude following the news he wasn’t starting.

    • When you’re dealing with a brand new coaching staff you would think it would take some time before the coaches get a good handle on what everyone is capable of doing for the team.

      After one year of coaching them and getting to know what they’ve all got to offer the team they definitely would have a much better idea of the capability of all the players on the team.

      Clyde said “it’s going to be fun designing plays for him (Grant) during the offseason”. So, there’s a strong possibility we see some things change as far as what they do on offense and defense just because they now have an offseason to digest what they saw during the season and now tweak things when they have the time to do it rather than trying to do something like that during the season.

      During the season, you’re just trying to get ready for the next opponent on a week to week basis. The offseason gives you the time to evaluate your team and make the changes you want/need to make to get it to another level.

      • steveccnv says:

        I think we’d all like to see Grant involved more.

      • yeah, I would too and him practicing with Darr is a good sign. But, my comment was more to address what Barnwell was saying. Anytime a new coaching staff takes over it’s going to take them some time to get to know the players they have on the team and what each can do for the team.

        Gase, Clyde, Vance & others really didn’t know much about the guys other than maybe watching a bit of film on them before getting to work. Yeah, they got to spend a full offseason with them in camp but seeing them on the field for a full year and being able to evaluate the team as a whole after the season is probably going to be a tremendous help to them in making any changes they deem necessary since last season.

        Of course, that’s just my opinion, but now that they’ve had a full season to work with these guys they probably have a much better understanding of where the team is at in terms of personnel.

  39. pheloniusphish says:

    What Lou said.

  40. Tim Knight says:

    This Brown decision thing is a joke right? LOL

  41. stangerx says:

    Who knows with a guy like him, but seems if Brown is going to do a TV event to announce what team he is going to my guess is he will be coming to it with a multi-year contract in hand. That makes it less likely it is us.

  42. I wonder if D’Qwell Jackson has a brother named NyQuil.

  43. steveccnv says:

    The only thing I really like about Taco Charlton is his size 6’6″. He doesn’t have the quick twitch you like in an edge rusher, and he doesn’t play fast enough. I wouldn’t take him before the 3rd.

  44. dbolt48 says:

    This country is doomed. I’m at my sons ninja warrior training class & you see so many kids acting like Fuck heads and parents thinking the behaviors cut. Fuck this retarded society that’s being established!

    • stangerx says:

      If it helps any dbolt — our parents said the same about us and our generation.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Doesn’t help at all…I believe this is the generation that will truly create the “Idiocracy” future.

      • dbolt48 says:

        At least when we were growing up our parents whipped our asses when we fucked off. No excuses/ blaming a teacher if we were failing in school.

      • stangerx says:

        Probably depends on the family, but my Dad’s favorite line was “you are lucky I don’t beat your ass for this like mine was” as he set down this or that harsh punishment. So even if in a different way….he felt just like you did. And completely have the same view as to the new generation as well.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Stanger….it’s not just here, seeing it come through the school systems now….it’s really horrible. Brian might be able to back this Also.

      • stangerx says:

        Wasn’t disagreeing with you dbolt….just putting it in perspective. Our parents thought we were soft and coddled as well. I was hung on a coat hook in elementary school and had erasers thrown at my head for not paying attention in high school. These days that would get a teacher fired. But then my school didn’t have the paddle my parents’ school did either. Normal then would be criminal now.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s what the politicians have done to our society, and people are too stupid to realize it. And not only that they embrace it.

  45. steveccnv says:

    I think OJ Howard is a pretty good blocker as well, even though his head isn’t in it like it his when he’s got the ball in his hands. He blocked Myles Garrett pretty well most of the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1vnP9FFigY

    • Tim Knight says:

      There are a few ways we can go in the 1st round but I still find myself thinking pass rusher.

      • steveccnv says:

        What edge rusher is worth taking in the first? If Howard can block Garrett…

      • Tim Knight says:

        Howard is a friggin beast. Not many guys with his type of size and athletic ability and that’s why I think he goes top 15, possibly top 10.

  46. stangerx says:

    Has to be approved at the owners meeting, but sounds like the Raiders moving to Vegas is close to a sure thing.
    ———————————

    Goodell acknowledged and thanked Oakland city officials for being “accessible, creative and diligent in exploring alternatives.” “Despite all of these efforts, ours and yours, we have not yet identified a viable solution.It is disappointing to me and our clubs to have come to that conclusion.”

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/25/goodell-we-have-not-yet-identified-a-viable-solution-for-raider-stadium-in-oakland/

    • steveccnv says:

      Read that this morning, the Raiders are coming the Raiders are coming. I might actually be able to watch the Fins play once in a while now.

  47. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, there are a lot of edge rushers in this draft. Maybe not great but you have to get them when you can. Other teams will be drafting them too.

    • steveccnv says:

      See Randy’s comment below, that’s what I’m talking about. Edge at #22 just to take an edge isn’t going to cut it.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I didn’t say just to take one, but there is talent there and that’s a premium position. I understand what Randy is saying but I don’t think Howard will be there.

      • steveccnv says:

        BPA 1st 3 rounds. We don’t have to take an edge rusher in this draft, if it falls that way, then take him.

  48. Randy says:

    I’m really not locked into any position or guy at #22. I would have a hard time passing up Howard if he’s there. It all depends who else is there, but I think Howard would be really good value at #22.

  49. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, this is what I originally said. “There are a few ways we can go in the 1st round but I still find myself thinking pass rusher.”

    It’s just a hunch nothing more.

  50. Brian in NY says:

    If we go Lamp at 22, we would have the left side of the line set for the next 4 years, at a pretty inexpensive price to boot.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think he’d be a good pick too but I don’t see how Indy passes on him at #15. They have to start protecting Luck the same way we feel about the Phins OL.

      • Brian in NY says:

        You never know how the draft is going to play out. A QB or two will be taken, and this draft is D heavy at the top. That will push some OL down a bit. An OT falls to 15 and that’s how they pass on him.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not for Indy. You don’t make Luck the highest paid player in the NFL and then try to get him killed. They might opt for one of the OTs, but Lamp helps them right away somewhere on the OL.

        However I agree all kinds of surprises happen on draft day that will change teams’ thinking. The draft is a living thing live, not predetermined. You can see some team targets happening though.

  51. Randy says:

    I wouldn’t care if they drafted an OL at #22. I am always a fan of drafting OL as everyone knows. Hell, I’d be fine if they took OL with both their first picks. Lol
    ***
    I don’t think any C/G in this draft has the upside Howard may have. We’re all speculating, so I could be completely wrong. I think Lamp could be a decent player, but I just can’t make blanket statements when I’ve never even seen him play guard…just me. He certainly has some nice tools, and I love his attitude. A month ago, everyone loved Pocic. I think he is in a group of about 5 guys who are fairly equal in value. But, that doesn’t mean if a guy you like a lot is sitting there…you don’t grab him. Maybe they feel that way about one of these guys. I’d be fine with that. I don’t think it would be the best value, but it is a big team need.
    ***
    Howard looks like he MIGHT have the ability to be a very good all-around TE…”all around” being a big part of it for me. He seems to have everything you’d want in a player…and appears to have a very high ceiling. I can’t say that about any of these guards. Doesn’t mean I think they suck or aren’t good prospects.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Howard and Lamp are really good prospects. If they last to #22 I’d be shocked. Lamp is a college LT who most feel LG is his future in the NFL. Howard a huge TE who can run, catch, block, jump etc. I don’t see either falling to us. Not trying to be a dark cloud, just saying I don’t see them as legit options. There are at least 12 others I don’t see either. LOL

  52. Randy says:

    Tim,
    Yeah, probably not…but this whole first round is a toss up this year after pick one, dark cloud. Lol

  53. Tim Knight says:

    However it happens in the draft, I would like to see a pass rusher, guard, 3rd DT and a DB and/or LB who can contribute. You’re not going to cover everything, but some areas need a jolt of youth and talent.

    Last year’s draft was dominated overall on offense 6-2, this year it should be the reverse, especially with the addition of Thomas at TE.

    • stangerx says:

      Agree that this draft will be youth and D, but then thought that last year too. Think these guys will be going talent up top though. And almost all our needs for next year can at least be “filled-in” after the draft, whether via trade, vet FA or June cuts.

  54. getterdone says:

    Timj, I’d kinda like to see the same positions in the draft for us. The 3rd DT can likely wait till say the 5th Rd. I like Eddie Vanderdoes or Jarron Jones in that area as development guys.

  55. getterdone says:

    Yeah Tim, he’s very strong and can push guys back into the pocket very well, good run stuffer too. That’s why I was hoping a guy like him or Jarron who also has earlier round talent, would fall to our 5th round picks.

  56. Tim,
    I think there’s a strong possibility Lamp makes it to #22. When you consider Martin went #16 to Dallas and he was probably considered a better prospect at the time and was from a larger DI school, I could see it happening.

  57. olddolphan says:

    YES, there’s a great amount of speculation regarding how well a given player might perform if he’s drafted by the Dolphins. But here’s something that’s NOT SPECULATION.
    ——————-
    IT’s A FACT that if the Dolphins have a below average offensive line this season, they will NOT be legitimate Super Bowl contenders. And it’s likely, with this year’s tougher schedule, they won’t even make the playoffs.

  58. wyoming85 says:

    Mornin everyone!

  59. stangerx says:

    An Omar article that for sure OD will agree with. In there is a good point about how we would get the most snap counts out of an OL guy except for safety, which he dismisses as possible based on who might be there at #22. Yeah — he thinks Peppers is too strong safety to be paired with Jones. And he might have something of a point.
    ————————————————————-
    Why selecting an offense linemen early makes sense for the Dolphins…

    The Dolphins have a habit of taking young linemen drafted early and throwing them right into the fire. That was Miami’s approach with Jake Long, John Jerry, Mike Pouncey, Jonathan Martin, Ja’Wuan James and Laremy Tunsil, And that approach has worked for Miami.

    Keep in mind that the offensive linemen Miami has selected in the later-rounds — Dallas Thomas, Billy Turner, Jamil Douglas — needed time to become starters, and they typically struggled throughout their careers. Miami can’t afford that type of patience, or gamble considering the projected starters at both guard spots – Ted Larsen, Jermon Bushrod and Kraig Urbik – will all be in their 30s…..

    Lamp isn’t a sexy pick, but he’ll help keep the offense on schedule with the running game, and the quarterback upright.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-jay-ajayi-20170327-story.html

  60. Tim Knight says:

    This is the kind of stuff Omar says that’s crazy.

    Omar Kelly‏Verified account @OmarKelly 1m1 minute ago
    Remember when I told you Patrick Peterson was the best talent in the 2011 draft and team’s were STUPID to not realize it. Same for Hooker

    Peterson went #5 to ARZ. How were teams stupid to not realize it? Everyone knew he was a top talent and he was drafted as such. LOL

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — have I reminded you guys lately how I really wanted Ziggy Ansah? The thing that told me where Omar was coming from was that naked tweeter pic post. Narcissist.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I don’t know about the naked tweeter pic post.

      • stangerx says:

        You were there when it came out — maybe you have PTS-Omar-D on that If it helps it was him and a mirror, and thankfully the counter cut out the lower half.

  61. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, okay I vaguely remember something like that. LOL

  62. D says:

    Unless Omar is insinuating that Peterson and Hooker are both number 1 overall type picks, then yeah what he was saying was dumb, hell its completely possible people did have them number 1 overall, but the others in the top 4 had bigger needs. Top 10 is always like that, just because the player is BPA, in the top 10, teams are still picking to fill needs and usually big ones.

  63. D says:

    When we traded for Jordan, i was thinking/hoping it was Ansah. After seeing him at Senior Bowl i really really wanted us to go after him.

    • stangerx says:

      He was my mancrush that year, but not like I claim am some uber-talent guru because of it. Plenty of the same have not worked out. Am sure you are familiar with how Omar throws out when he was right in the past, but the ones he was wrong with are trees that fell in the woods when no one could hear the sound (even if we did).

  64. Tim Knight says:

    D, the 4 teams that passed on Peterson really screwed up didn’t they? LOL
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2011&round=round1#round1

  65. D says:

    I have always like Charlie at Walterfootball, not so much Walt, but Charlie does some pretty good articles and he goes to most the events and reports from there with some useful stuff from time to time. Walter does the prospect evals and i think a lot of time he is off on them. Anyways, Charlie has us taking:

    Charles Harris DE/OLB Missouri (he’s the guy i said that as a tweener i still felt pretty confident he could play as a DE, where as some of the others i didnt think would)

    Zach Cunningham LB Vandy

    Daeshon Hall DE Texas A&M

    Now, id be a little concerend with no OL until the 5th, but if we traded up, or took a couple in the 5th, id be ok with this draft. That would get us two guys at DE who have elite potential, one of which would rotate in this year a decent amount and the other that might as well. On top of that we get the last piece of out LB puzzle, 5th could be to grab a S, and/or a couple of O, or an OL and a TE on the way out of the draft.

  66. Tim Knight says:

    Cunningham falling that far in the 2nd?

    • dbolt48 says:

      I don’t think it happens, but we’ve seen stranger things occur.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Oh yeah that’s why I’m not honing in on one specific prospect because who knows what’s going to happen leading up to #22.

        We shouldn’t ignore taking a corner early either. Gase is on record saying he’d love to have more and we didn’t add any in FA. We need more corners who can cover the gnats.

    • D says:

      I think Cunningham could for sure fall into the second. I think he is a pretty special player but there seems to be a lot of people estimating him being a second round selection. If he does fall to the second, which again, i could see that, falling all the way to us at 22 im not sure i find that as believable. Maybe mid 2nd, but its kinda like with Perryman, i would have thought he would have been upper second as well.

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s what I was referring to, falling to us in the 2nd. The knock on him is he is lean, missed too many tackles but is also a great athlete with football skills and upside. Needs to get bigger and stronger at the next level.

      • D says:

        He arm tackles a good bit, which might be more problematic in the NFL, though im not sure what they are referring to, he really doesnt miss many tackles. He usually gets a good handle on the ball carrier and once he locks on he brings them down. He is pretty lean, but its because he is more in the mold of a Kwon Alexander type, than he is a more prototype guy like Keuchkley. I also think everyone will put on some mucsles mass when getting to the NFL and becoming part of their weight training program. Its the too heavy guys that you have to worry about because they are more likely to not put in the effort to stay trim. You almost cant help but put on weight just showing up to those programs, and following the nutritionist suggestions.

  67. D says:

    Round 1 Pick 22: Taco Charlton, DE/OLB, Michigan (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Alex Anzalone, OLB, Florida (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: George Kittle, TE, Iowa (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Stevie Tu’ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 5: Deatrich Wise Jr., DE, Arkansas (C+)

  68. Tim Knight says:

    D, good points on Cunningham. I’ve read he gets credited for diagnosing the play and getting there, but he often tackles high and slides off more than you would like against physical runners.

    I’d consider him a guy who can help in a rotation as a rookie, play well on STs and develop into a quality starter at some point.

    • D says:

      You would probably go into the season with Hewitt as your projected starter, but with Cunningham possible winning the spot in camp if he impresses, but most likely taking over sometimes mid season if Hewitt isnt playing particularly well.

  69. Tim Knight says:

    D, Sparano, Philbin and Gase all keep him around. It’s not really about Misi the player anymore, it’s about the Misi who doesn’t play.

  70. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      Fair enough.

    • stangerx says:

      Ain’t that incredibly beautiful for us. Vote was 31-1 and the one was Ross. Dolphins ain’t going anywhere so long as he is alive.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Well he’s not doing that amazing overhaul on the stadium if he ever thought he’d leave.

        Ross better be careful OD may even start to like him.

      • D says:

        He left the caveat of “until all options have been exhausted” i wouldnt say isnt going anywhere as long as he is alive, but i also dont really think thats ever been a real possibility. Miami is a great football town, and there isnt much more that many other places could offer that would make for a better location. Just look at Superbowl stats and you will see, Miami is a prime real estate football town.

      • D says:

        Sorry i meant that as in a never say never, but i also think its unlikely that Miami ever loses a football team, despite what owner we have.

      • stangerx says:

        D — way I see it Ross is the 2nd richest owner in the NFL. And he was “the one.”

    • steveccnv says:

      Chicken shit response Ross.

  71. son of a son of a shula says:

    Trade back and take Lawson

    • Tim Knight says:

      Trading back is not a bad option. You can still land a good prospect doing that. But I wouldn’t do it prior to the draft. Wait and see how it’s going down. We might be in a spot for a QB.

    • D says:

      I would definitely consider a trade back given a certain group of people are off the board, but there are a ton of guys who could be there that would be worth staying put and making the selection.

  72. son of a son of a shula says:

    If OJ, Foster or Watson are there at 22 you run up there with the pick

  73. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger, too bad we didn’t take Ansah, Suh loved playing with him. We’d have them both now

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      We wouldn’t need a young DE quite as badly either

      • stangerx says:

        Draft is a crap shot, even if you can always point out where you had the right play in mind, especially if you are Omar. And I think we both wanta young DE but then don’t need one either….even if that might mean big number FA down the road.

  74. wyoming85 says:

  75. stangerx says:

    “Ross better be careful OD may even start to like him.”

    LOL Son….I ain’t worried about that one much until we go 17-0 again……sorry make that 19-0.

  76. D says:

    I was looking at potential trade partners and what we would give up trading back vs what we would get in return, and i just dont think this is a smart move, not this year, not at 22, and im usually a fan of trying to get more picks with value. I just dont see it this year though, best we would get even trading all the way back to end of the 1st would be a sorta early 3rd and i wouldnt want to give up on a lof of the guys who actually might make it to 22, that for sure arent making it much deeper than that.

  77. D says:

    Hunter Dimick, who has been a guy i sometimes take in a middle ish round if i havent already taken a DE earlier, had a pretty good showing of strength at his pro day. 38 reps of 225.

  78. Rhino says:

    After watching Warriors game last night, CSN Bay Area had an interview with the mayor of Oakland. Her argument was that the city has exceeded everything LV offered… but the Raiders have not agreed to sit down for a talk or presentation… not once! Davis the Second must think LV has financial opportunities beyond football season. i.e. renting the stadium for concerts and such. Its the same reason Warriors are moving to the other end of the bay bridge in a few years.

    • D says:

      That and i think the NFL wants to be in Vegas. I think a lot of this is being pushed by the NFL more so than the team itself, and they probably sweetened the pot for the owner to do it. LA thing was same deal.

    • stangerx says:

      Rhino — I don’t know exactly who is right, but keep in mind that the Oakland mayor was there explaining why her team was losing its football team. Bit different story from Goodell (who said basically “you tried but couldn’t get it together”), but then guess the fix could have been from the other side for the reasons you name with Davis.

      And Oakland offered up like $200 mil while Vegas is putting in $650 mil to a new stadium. What’s a team and business owner to do at that point?

  79. Rhino says:

    We know we need two starters: one OL and one front 7 def.

    After the 22nd pick, where is the biggest drop off in talent to pick 54? OL or LB/DE

    If Lamp is available, I think they take him to ensure a dominant run game as the foundation of our offense.

    However, IF the team thinks OGs don’t have to be top tier guys as long as center and both tackles are… then it will be a defensive pick for sure. In this case they’d probably wait on OL until 3rd round.

    My ‘back and forth’ on this dilemma always goes back to our history of flops trying to fill the guard position with mid round picks.

    • D says:

      To me it boils down to our pick value. Its not that great so you dont really get enough in trade, unless you can fleece a team for a really big difference in value. If you cat a team desperate enough you might be able to get something better than a upper to mid third, but its not likely we would get a pick with high enough value to offset the loss of the players we are losing out on. Just have to see how the draft shapes up but i dont see trading back being a smart move this year, not in the first.

  80. D says:

    Man son, Watson is your new Newton huh?

    • steveccnv says:

      Very poor logic Mando. Because they didn’t answer questions about Dion’s status, like they did for Timmons, and others, it means he won’t be a part of the team this year. The team is excited about Timmons and some of the others, and they know they’re in the team’s plans, so they talk about them. The team doesn’t know the status yet of Dion, so they don’t talk about him. You can read anything you’d like into this, but it doesn’t make it so. I’d bet there’s more of a chance he doesn’t make it on the field for a regular season game, but it’s, because he hasn’t played in a couple of years and has been a big bust so far, not, because of something they said or didn’t. If he doesn’t make it this year Mando will say see I told you so. Way to go out on a limb.

  81. Tim Knight says:

    This team is looking to compete and to try and win now as they sustain it for a few years. I’m not worried about 3-4 years from now as a fan. So much can change in 1-2 years. You don’t have players signed to some of the deals we have them at for the distant future. Makes no sense.

    The playoffs was step 1, now onto step 2. Win a playoff game and go from there.

  82. son of a son of a shula says:

    Not as much love for Watson as Cam but I certainly wouldn’t leave him on the board.

  83. pheloniusphish says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 27, 2017 at 5:05 pm
    Chicken shit response Ross.
    £¢€¥¥€¢¢£
    Really Dude!?! What do you want….A blow job?

  84. steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 27, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    If that’s what he believes. It’s not a big story. The Raiders go to Vegas and I don’t really care anymore. LOL
    —————————————–
    Fuck off Tim, you’ve got plenty of ballparks close to you 😛

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not really! I’m not that guy who goes to games a lot. I did it in the past. I met some of the mob in NYC at a bar and at the Meadowlands for a game. I love the Dolphins and football, but the NFL has me wondering WTF am I spending my time on. Love the people, the sport has me wondering how long this is going to go on.

      Funny this is happening when I think we have the right HC in place and enough talent to make a splash. But the major sports leagues are showing flaws in their game.

      It’s like if the Dolphins win the Super Bowl what did it really do? Give me pleasure for 24 hours, 2-3 days? Then we start with what about the 2018 season? It never ends. LOL

  85. Does everyone remember on Omar’s blog when the Parrott known as Chris Kouffman and his “Universal Draft” buddy put together a great (lol) breakdown of Ryan Mallet and argued up, down and sideways about him and then went on NFL Network to “present his findings” and Bermeister ripped him to shreds and sent him packing.

    It was a great day for the mob.

  86. pheloniusphish says:

    Steve – I’m a little slow on the uptake today. You are probably happy to be getting a team.

    • steveccnv says:

      Correct a team. I moved to So Cal in the 80s, when the Raiders just arrived, and went to a few games, so to me they aren’t the same team I hated in the 70s. It’s good for the city, and UNLV, they might be able to recruit now.

  87. Tim Knight says:
    March 27, 2017 at 6:06 pm
    This team is looking to compete and to try and win now as they sustain it for a few years. I’m not worried about 3-4 years from now as a fan. So much can change in 1-2 years. You don’t have players signed to some of the deals we have them at for the distant future. Makes no sense.
    The playoffs was step 1, now onto step 2. Win a playoff game and go from there.
    __________________________________________

    I disagree that the team is built to win now. I don’t see them winning more than 8 games this year, especially if we go into the season with Larsen and Bushrod starting at guard. We’ll never sustain drives and it’s going to be difficult for us to score and I think we’re going to be playing from behind a lot this year because of it.

    We should be somewhat improved vs the run on D this year but I don’t know so much that’s going to be enough because I believe the offense will go from scoring just over 22 ppg in ’16 to right around scoring just 20 ppg in ’17.

    It’s going to be a much tougher season this year even if we stay healthy. We will need to run the ball much more consistently than we did last year and I just don’t see that happening with the offensive line we’ve got right now.

  88. pheloniusphish says:

    Steve – I agree it’s probably good for the city. I just liked what Ross said and he did spend $500M of hisown money to renovate the stadium. Oakland didn’t deserve the team. In general I think the NFL and the owners should pay for their own facilities, but since the city owned it, they should have fixed the plumbing or offered to sell.

  89. Mike E. says:

    Bittersweet weekend. Sunday morning, went to the funeral for a long time friend who passed away Saturday. Sunday afternoon, went to see my nephew and his wife and her parents, and my sister and brother-in-law, and my son Lucas who we picked up in Hoboken, and went out to dinner in Hoboken to celebrate my nephew’s birthday, and also that they are having a baby in August. Sad morning and afternoon, nice evening. Just like life, sad and happy.

    • dbolt48 says:

      So through it all are you saying you received a happy ending?
      JK

      In all seriousness I’m sorry to hear about your friend!

    • stangerx says:

      So sad about your friend. Sounds like you got the full circle of life in one weekend, probably good it had both ends to it.

  90. Tim Knight says:

    Sorry about your friend Mike. Happy for your nephew and wife on the baby. Like you said, life is happy and sad.

  91. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, with all the vets on the team and the money we’re paying them, if we’re not built to win now then what’s the point? So our entire season is based on who plays guard?

    • Mike E. says:

      When I read Lou’s comment, my first thought was that the team isn’t finished being built for this year yet, so you can’t say that at this point.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No we still have a draft. But what are built for 2019? The contracts we have say not really.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Right now I think they’re definitely building long term, but constructed to try and compete now. They’ll look to get high quality pieces to develop behind the short term vets on our team. The question is will they make the correct selections? Unfortunately we won’t know for a couple more years…last year was solid overall doing this, but it needs to be better this year.

      • steveccnv says:

        Why does it need to be better? I thought last year’s offseason moves changed our culture, by not overspending, and still getting quality. We had a ton of injuries and still made the playoffs, they forget that when they say we were smoke and mirrors.

      • stangerx says:

        dbolt — with you on building for the long term and try and compete (but just that). The last thing they are going is “win now.” Putting money into future re-sign contracts alone shows that. They for sure ain’t pushing for a ring in 2017…..and I like that.

  92. stangerx says:

    Owner is happy, GM is happy, players are happy, the phone is ringing off the hook with FA calls….almost makes you think we got something going on.
    ————————————

    “What you seeing is the front office and the coaching staff working together like they haven’t in a long period of time. Certainly not since I owned the team,” said Ross. “People who haven’t been around haven’t seen that type of chemistry in decades. This is really different.”

    “It really resonated with the players and agents seeing how much we care about our players.” Tannenbaum said. “I can’t tell you how many calls we got from other players’ agents that we just didn’t have an interest in. It took off way more quickly than we thought, and I think heading into the future, if and when we approach certain free agents, [that we take care of our own will] be a big part of our narrative.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-main-20170327-story.html

  93. Mike E. says:

    Thanks guys. I feel so bad for the family. Wife is 52, kids are 24 and 18. Sam had it rough for quite some time, he was an alcoholic, but he was clean for the last 5 years or so, and man, he was a completely different person too. Shame that after he cleaned himself up, this happens, but that’s how life is.

    No question it was a circle of life Sunday. My parents are buried in the same cemetery, so I visited them after the burial. I don’t go to the cemetery often, but I did get awful choked up when I told them about my nephew. My parents just adored Phillip, he was the king.

  94. steveccnv says:

    Sorry to hear the bad news Mike.

  95. steveccnv says:

    What happened to the Zach Brown decision?

    • dbolt48 says:

      That’s was a joke by an imposter Rappaport

    • stangerx says:

      He’s in the zone right now where he ain’t getting what he wants (whether money or guaranteed years) and waiting for some team to pony up, whether it be the three that he has visited or some other. He can wait on that to happen till draft day……and lots of cases settle the day before trial.

  96. The Flying Pig says:

    A Mock Draft of Oink and Fire

    22: R1P22
    EDGE DEREK BARNETT
    TENNESSEE
    54: R2P22
    G DAN FEENEY
    INDIANA
    97: R3P33
    C PAT ELFLEIN
    OHIO ST
    166: R5P22
    OLB KEITH KELSEY
    LOUISVILLE
    178: R5P34
    EDGE CAROLL PHILLIPS
    ILLINOIS
    184: R5P40
    S DELANO HILL
    MICHIGAN
    223: R7P5
    DL DEATRICH WISE
    ARKANSAS

    • steveccnv says:

      I keep seeing Elflein and Pocic to us in the 3rd, if we can do that, no reason to take OL in the first.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t really think we need to take OL in the 1st generally
        but Lamp would be a nice edition
        He looks like the only viable option on the OL in the 1st

  97. Tim Knight says:

    When I say win now I don’t mean a championship or blow it up. I mean compete now while we build. But we are definitely going to go for it each year from here on out until the core is no longer here.

    • stangerx says:

      It is a great place to be…..and it pretty much all changed in one year. We are a playoff contender with an up arrow. Think a lot of that has to do with Gase, but also cause he (and Grier and Tanny) have job security. Lets them plan ahead rather than worry about moving. Wouldn’t be surprised if in the draft we trade down in a deal for future picks with teams that have guys on the hot seat or are pushing for the ring now.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      we are good enough to be a perennial playoff contender
      and frankly we have been for years

      if you go back to 2008 when we went 11-5
      we are mostly 7-9 and 8-8
      with the (2) 6-10 years sprinkled in when we fired Sparano and Philbin

      no question we’ve been flawed
      that mostly amounts to an average team in the NFL or sometimes a team that can compete for a wildcard birth

      but its hard to win our division bc of the Cheats dominance
      they usually win 12+ games
      I don’t think we have been a 12+ win team it would be nice to be on the way there

      the difference between those 7-9/8-8 seasons and a 10 or 11 win seasons on the other hand is usually the result of a few close games
      sometimes it comes down to coaching
      sometimes QB play
      sometimes the defense

      I honestly think we were good enough to win 10 games every season since 2008 but we failed to

      I think saying we can compete now is legitimate
      we pretty much are able to compete for a wildcard
      and we have been for years
      we just choked in most years over the last 8 years (since 08) and we didn’t this year or in 2008

      the #6 team in the playoffs is usually not a championship contender

  98. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 28, 2017 at 8:27 am

    Bittersweet weekend. Sunday morning, went to the funeral for a long time friend who passed away Saturday. Sunday afternoon, went to see my nephew and his wife and her parents, and my sister and brother-in-law, and my son Lucas who we picked up in Hoboken, and went out to dinner in Hoboken to celebrate my nephew’s birthday, and also that they are having a baby in August. Sad morning and afternoon, nice evening. Just like life, sad and happy.
    —————————————–
    Not just the sad and happy balance of life, but also the cycle of life in full effect.

    I am not a pessimist by any stretch of the imagination, but when im on site working with one of our hospital clients, they have this thing most of them do where they play lullaby music every time a baby is born, and one day i found myself realizing, there are deaths happening at those hospitals too, hopefully not as many, but it does ground you a lot of times when you are sitting there and you see grief and elation playing out right before you. Someone being born and someone dying plays out every second for someone some place, best you can do is have empathy for their situation and be happy with what you have and the fact you arent that person right now.

    Mike, congratulations and condolences for your situation my friend, and i hope you have more of the latter than the former in the future.

  99. The Flying Pig says:

    • steveccnv says:

      Every owner can’t be a Ross. He’s talking from his situation, and as all things NFL what they say usually has nothing to do with the main issue, in this instance why he voted no. His vote was best for the Fins, and he had the balls to make his vote.

      • stangerx says:

        Ain’t we lucky to have him as our owner though? And that includes having an owner for who the team is just a major hobby. Think he was sincere in what he said, but then he has enough cash where an extra say $500 mil to move to another city he can refuse just cause not such a big deal to him.

  100. wyoming85 says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 1h1 hour ago
    More
    Really amazing that Lawrence Timmons signed with the Dolphins and never asked, “Where am I playing,” per Adam Gase.

  101. wyoming85 says:

    LMAO

  102. dbolt48 says:

    Steve,
    It has to be better because we are drafting later in each and every round. It has to be better because Wake, Bushrod, & Timmons are all a year older and their shelf life is closer to its expiration date vs fresh date. I believe this team can probably land 2 possible starters in the first 2RDS the challenge becomes trying to land 3rd starter/ heavy contributor w/ one their 5 remaining picks. The rest need to quality developmental players that are scheme fits.

    • steveccnv says:

      Are you saying the direction the team is headed in isn’t good enough, or are you saying to go farther this year we’ll have to draft better?

      • dbolt48 says:

        I like the direction it’s headed, but they’ll need to draft Even better this year due to increased age at key areas and the fact they are picking later in the draft. They need to make those developmental picks count even more.

      • steveccnv says:

        For what purpose? What goals are you trying to meet?

  103. wyoming85 says:

    22: R1P22 LB ZACH CUNNINGHAM, VANDERBILT
    54: R2P22 G DAN FEENEY, INDIANA
    97: R3P33 EDGE DAESHON HALL, TEXAS A&M
    166: R5P22 C JON TOTH, KENTUCKY
    178: R5P34 CB JEREMY CUTRER, MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE
    184: R5P40 S XAVIER WOODS, LOUISIANA TECH
    223: R7P5 K ZANE GONZALES, ARIZONA STATE

  104. D says:

    I cant in any way see how would would project to do worse this next year. Im not saying our record will be as good, or that we will for sure make the playoffs, because a lot more goes into that than just being as good a team, or even better, than last year. Other teams improve, other teams have different schedules, etc so sometimes even with a better team you have a harder path back to where you were. Still you cant look at this team and not think its is in som way improved.

    Tunsil as our LT over Albert gives us a lot better chance to have a healthy LT for the span of the entire season. Tunsil not at OG, does hurt some, but with a former vet starter in his spot, or Steen/Rookie having beat them out to earn that spot, shouldnt be a huge drop off. Pouncey if he is back and healthy would be a big plus, but even if he isnt, we have a better backup situation as a replacement for him, so its a + either way. We had Bushrod at RG this past year and we will have at least his equal at RG this year, since he is back, and if someone beats him out they are better. James at RT is same as last year. I just dont see how the one loss of Tunsil at OG can offset what seems to be at least several other positive moves on our OL front.

    Our TE situation is potentially better, definitely better from offensive weapon and blocking standpoint.

    Our WR set is exactly as we left it with a full year of time in Gase’s system, same for Tanny.

    Gase himself has a year of HC experience under him to build off, we only lost one coach, and we have replaced him with a guy who learned under him and comes from the previous coaching tree he came from.

    We have our same two most dominant DT’s, one of which is preparing for a much bigger role, and therefore should give us much better production by being on the field and in better shape.

    Same DE’s as last year, with better rotational/bckup depth.

    Better LB corp, healthier, more experience, better reputation stopping the run. Might still be a little vulnerable to the pass, but no worse than last year.

    With Jones back our safeties are much improved, Allen should be at least equivalent to Isa.

    Our CB’s are same as last year with another year’s experience.

    I get cautious optimism, i get (being around the board a while) the undertone of pessimism, but how can those moves not make you feel the team is in a better place? I cant think of a group than can be seen as having not gotten better, even if its is only slightly, improvement is improvement.

  105. Mike E. says:

    I agree D – Even as currently constituted, our defense should be better with Timmons and Alonso, plus, Reshad will be back, and I think Allen will be fine, but I won’t be surprised if we draft a safety early. If Maxwell can start like he played the latter part of the season, we should be fine. You’re also right that our record may not be as good or better, but I think we should be a better team.

  106. Randy says:

    I disagree. If this team doesn’t take another step forward…meaning actually winning a playoff game…then we haven’t improved. That’s just reality. That’s what better looks like…beating the top teams, winning 10 games or more, making the playoffs and actually being competitive. No excuses, continue to get better or continue being an average team who can beat the bad teams but can’t compete with the top teams. If this team is heading in the right direction…as everyone seems to think….that’s the next step to be taken.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think making the post season 2 years in a row is a bench mark of sorts

      It bodes well for ’18

      Course I want to win a playoff game, but lot of teams sneak into the post season as a wildcard and then disappear from the postseason again for years

      If you can make it 2 years in a row, there is something good going on within the organization
      Eventually of you get there you are going to win games

      But getting their consistently, that really separates organizations

    • steveccnv says:

      Come on Randy, that’s like saying you are what your record says you are, in other words it’s all about the stats. If we improve our run D, have less 3 and outs, compete in both games against the Cheats and win one, and look the part of a playoff team, then we’ve improved.

  107. Randy says:

    I don’t quite understand why some folks are thinking we’ll have a worse record this year. What’s the thinking behind that?

    • steveccnv says:

      They’re listening to the talking heads.

    • steveccnv says:

      We can’t have a tougher early schedule, the team believes in Gase, Timmons improves the run D as do Hayes and Jones, the young team is more experienced…D bolt talked about a couple of guys getting older, but with that comes young guys getting better, so a + for a young team

  108. Randy says:

    steve
    Improvement needs to produce more wins…or what’s the point? We can debate WHEN we will win more…maybe this year, maybe next…but ultimately the only thing that matters is wins. Ya can’t claim you’re a “better” team and still keep losing or having 8-8 or 9-7 seasons. Sooner or later it needs to result in winning more, doesn’t it?

    • steveccnv says:

      I agree, but going into 2018 do you want a team that won a playoff game in 2017, by default, when they looked like one of the worst teams in the league and project down going into 2018 or do you want a team that looked like world beaters that narrowly missed the playoffs with an 11-5 record.

  109. Tim Knight says:

    Gase and his staff knowing the team better, the same systems in place and continuity amongst the players could have more of an impact this year than anyone we draft.

  110. Tim Knight says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 1h1 hour ago
    New…Tannehill would have played Patriots if Dolphins had advanced in playoffs; brace won’t affect mobility

    • D says:

      Would have been really stupid if they had done that, yeah brace would affect mobility, maybe not dramatically but it would have, but bigger would have been the chance that it could have cause the ACL to be a full rupture to go with the MCL. They would have been extremely stupid to have chanced it.

      • steveccnv says:

        Agree. The D was so depleted they would’ve had no chance, just like they had no chance against Pitt.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not debating the injury don’t know enough about it but the playoffs and a chance to win a title is what it’s all about. Players play if they can go, especially in the playoffs.

  111. D says:

    Randy there are times when you arent as good as your record and there are times when your better than your record.

    I cant remember what team it was, and at this point and i cant completely remember if it was last year or the year before, but that team was losing every game in heart breaking fashion. I remember looking at that team and i was like man this team can buy a win and its sad because they have a pretty solid team. They literally lost every game from a failed last minute drive or a last minuted opponent drive for their losses and those were against playoff teams. Their record said they fucking sucked, but the team was really pretty solid and couldnt catch a break.

    There are also injuries to major players that tank a season, etc. I mean you wouldn’t call Dallas a bad team would ya, but year before last they were a 5 win team because they lost Romo and didnt have anything behind him. Record doesn’t always state if you are a good team or if you improved, it can be just because everything didn’t come together. San Diego the last two years have ended their seasons with their number 1 receiver being a guy they picked up off the streets because they had so many injuries at the position. Shit happens and it doesnt necessaily mean you are a shitty team or you are worse than last year.

  112. Tim Knight says:

    D, I think the comment about the brace was an addition comment moving forward. The team talked Ryan into wearing a brace when he really didn’t want to. I remember reading something a few weeks ago saying he tried a bunch of braces to find the one he’s most comfortable with and that it doesn’t hamper is mobility.

  113. Tim Knight says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 14m14 minutes agoArmando Salguero Retweeted Armando Salguero
    If you want to view the Adam Gase presser today as I stuck a cell phone in his face, have at it. Check timeline for second part.

    Yeah were you trying to see what was up his nose and in his ears? LOL

    Some good stuff though. Gase is pretty candid.

  114. son of a son of a shula says:

    Thanks for posting the Gase interview Tim.
    Bushrod is our RG if you have a problem with that take it up with Gase.
    Pouncey is our Center, Gase wants 16 + games out of him. I like the way he thinks.

  115. D says:

    Tim what i was saying is what was said by Gase in the last part of that interview.

    ““I think it would have been really hard for us to keep him off the field for that game,” Gase said. “It probably would have come down to us as a coaching staff making the decision what was best for him. That would have been a tough one for us. We want to do what’s best for the team. We want to do what’s best for the organization but when your starting quarterback is basically saying, I can go … I don’t know if you guys have ever seen Ryan get mad, he’s very persuasive. ”

    There is a competitive fire in players that says, i want to be out there, because deep down, and any player worth his salt wants to be out there helping the team, and those same types of players generally feel confidant in being the guy that’s needed to make a difference. Still reading that, sounds to me like they weren’t confidant that was the right decision and they were prepared to argue with him about what was best for the team and organization going forward, not that they were actually feeling it was the right time to bring him back, knee brace or not. It sounds more to me like they were thinking they were going to have had to battle him to keep him off the field, but that’s also insinuates they anticipated doing it. Why fear a fight that would have been a fight? See what i mean.

    Personally if i were a coach, I could give two shits what a player “wants”, unless it was best for the team. I deal with this in my job as a manager. If my employee “wants” something, if its something i can comply with, and its in the best interest of the team/company, etc. i do it. If its not and it will potentially make things much worse for us down the road, or put the company in a bad place, i look them straight in the eye and deny their request. Its not personal its business and sometimes you have to reign people back in and get them to face the reality that, yes you are important and yes we want you out there, but we want you with us long term, vs risking your future for one game, or even one championship.

    What im saying is, by description of the injury, MCL full rupture, level 2 strain on the ACL, which means moderate tearing, having brought him back could have been one awkward hit from a pretty lengthy time on IR, and likely not starting this next year for first part of the season at least. Hell it could have wound up really affecting the future of his career and put the team back into a draft a QB and start over situation. You cant risk that for any playoff game, even knowing that would have been for an AFC championship, and potential trip to the Superbowl.

  116. D says:

    Regardless of which brace he chooses, there will be some hindrance from mobility standpoint. Players say what they want to make people not concerned about their what level of play they will return with, but the reality is, you cant say “there will be no hinderence” because thats just not logically possible. Its a rigid piece of equipment meant to give extra stabilization, there is 0 way it wouldn’t affect mobility to some level.

    • D says:

      I dont really think its going to affect his game, i fully expect him to perform his duties, but i doubt he runs as effectively as he use to. Still that’s not what he is paid to do so overall, not a big deal.

  117. dbolt48 says:

    LOL…Omar Kelly calls the DC Tim Burke and gets called out by Gase😂

  118. Tim Knight says:

    So if we line up right now can we win? I think we can. I think the addition of Thomas changes the offense along with the emergence of Ajayi. The defense should be more more stout, how good not sure, but better. STs should be better too with more experience. Our young K, P and return guys all have more experience. 🙂

    We really didn’t lose anyone of significance in the offseason.

    • D says:

      Tim the way i look at it is how do i feel about our chances to win, and i feel pretty solid. I think ill have more confidence when i see a few key part put the pads on and show us something, but in general my confidence level of can we beat most teams is up significantly

  119. D says:

    Jordan Willis is definitely someone on or radar. We have now met with him a few times. I am not smitten with him but he is a solid player and looks the part of a 4-3 DE. We have had both Taco Charlton and Raekwon McMillan in as part of our 30 private visits, with the ties to Michigan and being one of the top DE’s in this draft, if Charlton is there i think he is a lock to be our pick. Would be interesting though if we have Howard, Peppers, and Charlton there, with Peppers and Charlton having Michigan ties and meeting team needs, and Howard there as a guy im sure Gase is all over taking, connection through Saban, etc. and also meeting a team need, who would we pick.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Charlton would be Hayes’ replacement down the road, a solid run defender and pass rusher. We will likely also add a hybrid edge rusher to fill in for Wake and Branch in a few years. Remember, we can revisit those types of players next year as well. It doesn’t all have to be accomplished this year. Wake and Branch are part of the team in 2017. We sometimes act like they are already gone. LOL

      I think this is where fans think we have so many voids. 2018 is another offseason. We can line up and compete even now before the draft. Staying relatively healthy is huge though.

    • steveccnv says:

      What do you see in Taco that makes you think we’ll take him, if he’s there? The only thing I see is his ability to seal the edge. I don’t want to waste a 1st on a DE run stuffer. He’s not much of a pass rusher, and has no quick twitch.

  120. Mike E. says:

    D

    Willis would probably be a 2nd RD pick, right?

  121. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 28, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    What do you see in Taco that makes you think we’ll take him, if he’s there? The only thing I see is his ability to seal the edge. I don’t want to waste a 1st on a DE run stuffer. He’s not much of a pass rusher, and has no quick twitch.
    ——————————————-
    I see a different guy apparently. I watched a bunch of his film and there were things at first i didnt really care for, i thought he benefited a lot from Michigan having some great DT’s, but the more i watched, the more i liked him. He isnt the mold of Wake, but thats also not what you are looking for for every DE. He has good technique, and makes up for some of the quick twitch issues with good pass rush moves. He uses his hands really good to get leverage, he has a wicked swim move, and in general i didn’t see a deficient pass rusher, i just saw a different kind of one.

  122. dbolt48 says:

    Taco at this moment reminds me of Coples, but w/ a better motor. Sometimes he gets caught crashing down from his DE spot opening up big run gains. Still has ability to be molded, but at this time I don’t see elite game changing ability. Matbe Carlos Dunlap might be a better comparison than Coples. If you take him in round 1, then you better take another DE inn2 or 3 who has elite traits to get after the passer.

  123. Lamp
    Elflein
    Phillips
    Smoot
    Pankey
    Gibson
    Barnett
    Goforth
    Kazee
    Vallejo
    Beathard

    that’s my guys. Give me any number of them and I’ll be extremely happy.

  124. Randy says:

    I would not take Taco in the first unless other guys are gone. It is #22, but I think he’ll be a pretty average NFL player. Even at 22, I’d like to get a little more if I can.

  125. My comment on being an 8-8 team this year has to do with the fact that things WILL be tougher this year than last. We made it to the playoffs and that’s a good thing. Gase got his players to buy in and that’s another good thing.

    The coaches got every ounce of juice from their players and that’s another positive. However, it’s never as easy to be consistent from year to year and that’s because you’ve got to continue to add talent and get better at positions where you’re lacking and, yes, offensive line is still a major problem in my opinion.

    You can’t just look at the situation and sweep it under the rug or think that Bushrod and Larsen will be good enough as starters to get the job done. The fact that we were worst in the league at 3 and out’s on offense, worst time of possession per offensive possession and lowest # of plays per offensive possession last season SHOULD concern people.

    Did we have injuries? Yes, we did. But where is the improvement coming from that’s going to allow us to keep pace with everyone else? What did we do to improve the o-line? Nothing. We re-signed one of the key weak links in the line from last season. We signed a veteran o-lineman who would be great depth in case of an injury but isn’t a guy you’d want starting a full season if you could get away with it.

    So, 3/5 of the line is set as long as Pouncey stays healthy. If he goes down again it’s going to be a long season. If we struggle to move the ball again this season like we did last year, and I believe nothing’s going to change there, we’re going to have difficulty scoring points and we could be looking at our scoring per game actually go down some vs last season.

    I’m not being chicken little here. I’m being realistic. Right now, we’re an 8-8 team at best. If we address some issues between the draft and the next round of cuts then we could be looking at another 10-6 season.

  126. steveccnv says:

    My favorite player in the draft, I’d take him #1 overall

  127. I understand the need for defensive players but if Lamp & Elflien are there in the 1st & 2nd I say take them & don’t look back.

    I want an o-line like Dallas; don’t want to have to worry about who’s going to start year after year. Both are solid players who could most likely start at guard this season and if Pouncey goes down we’ve got Larsen AND Elflien who could fill in at center and Elflien could replace Pouncey at center in the future.

    I’m not stopping there either. I’m all in on Adam Pankey of West Virginia who is a guard/tackle prospect we could get in the 5th and groom as a backup or an eventual starter at guard when Elflien shifts over to center.

    I’m with OD. I want the o-line fixed once and for all. It’s the only part of the offense that needs to be fixed. Let’s get it done.

  128. pheloniusphish says:

    “I get cautious optimism, i get (being around the board a while) the undertone of pessimism…”

    D – I say piss on cautious optimists and undertines of pessimism. Those are losers. It is a new year…16-0, playoffs, and a championship!

  129. dbolt48 says:

    EDGE DEREK BARNETT
    TENNESSEE
    54: R2P22
    EDGE JORDAN WILLIS
    KANSAS STATE
    97: R3P33
    C PAT ELFLEIN
    OHIO STATE
    166: R5P22
    EDGE CARROLL PHILLIPS
    ILLINOIS
    178: R5P34
    CB JEREMY CUTRER
    MIDDLE TENNESSEE
    184: R5P40
    S TEDRIC THOMPSON
    COLORADO
    223: R7P5
    LB DYLAN COLE

    Side note, I took Phillips as an OLB who could rush in some sub packages.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Good one
      I had a similar mock with Barnettt and Elfein
      But in the 2nd I had Feeney and not another pass rusher

      Do you think 2 pass rushers in the 1st and 2nd is overkill?

      I like Barnett a lot and he is one of my top targets

      • dbolt48 says:

        If Willis is there in the second I take him. Barnett plays RDE & Willis is similar to Wake at LDE. If I’m in the FO I’m doubling down and if I can get 2 high caliber DE’s especially one w/ Willis’s freaky athletic ability in RD 2….I take that shot 24/7.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Now if Willis wasn’t there I may have gone OG or FS then came back to DE, Daeshon Hall, in round 3.

  130. Tim Knight says:

    I agree that if you draft a guy like Taco you should also add more of a pure edge rusher. That said, we don’t have to do all of that this year having Wake and Branch.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Problem w/ that is who replaces Wakes athleticism? Neither Taco nor Branch can give you anything similar.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Well Branch plays the other side. So Hayes and Taco would be the big DEs and Wake and Branch as more the rush ends. I’m not saying we should draft Taco, just if we did. We could add a speed rusher as well, but we could also do that next year. Unless you’re asking if Wake went down?

  131. D says:

    Id much rather have Derek Barnett than Charlton, BUT i do not see Derek Barnett dropping to 22. I think another guy who will be a surprise that he goes a lot higher than most would expect is Daeshon Hall, i think when all is said and done he is a 2nd round selection, maybe even a really early selection in the second.. Id almost like him as much as Charlton, but i dont think either make it to us by the second, so IMO Charlton is a safe take at 22, plenty to work with, plenty of upside. I wouldnt freak out over Charlton at 22 like is seems some of you might would. I dont think you can call him Coples, because there were TONS of examples of Coples turning out just as he did,

    Charlton doesnt seems to half ass any plays, in fact one of the favorites around here, Lawson does, i promise you if you want his videos, and you look at the plays away from his side you will see him put up little effort. I LOVED lawson last year, and i dont know if he was playing it safe because he already had one bad injury that set back his draft status and made him stay an extra year, or what, but either way, he can and will turn that motor off and thats kinda bullshit IMO.

    Im not so much PRO any one particular pick in the first, because i know they will pick who they want, but i have to believe that for several reasons, and quality being one of them, they have him high on their board. Its not my opinion of Charlton that will make that pick, but check out the fact they have had him in for a private visit, check out the fact they met with him at combine and pro day, and the random factor of Ross liking Michigan guys (which probably plays in very little but ya know, he is the Boss lol) and i think you have a very glaring fact that they would take him and they think he would be a DE of the future for us.

  132. D says:

    You could easily pair Charlton with a guy like Dimick, Smoot, Phillips, Cox Jr., out of day 3, or if you wanted to be very agressive and get a replacement for Wake THIS YEAR, double up day 2 and get a Willis, Hall, or Rivers to be the Wake replacement. You guys do realise there is a next year and there are some seriously talneted DE nxt year too….just sayin.

  133. D says:

    I think one of either CHartlon, Peppers, or Howard makes it to us, possibly 2, but its only a remote possibility. I think whichever makes it to us is the most likely pick, If Reddick, or Foster ae there as well i think it makes the selection an interesting one, but way things have been going, i doubt they do. Cunningham i think might be in play but i dont think they would take him over any of those 3. There are a few other players that might be there that would give them pause to think about it, but over all i am thinking one of those three will be our pick at 22.

    • D says:

      Thats also assuming that they stay put and dont try to trade up for someone.

      • D says:

        I actually could see them trading up, but unless something terribly wrong happens, i doubt they trade back. There just isnt a ton of value trading back unless we got a team willing to sacrifice a lot of trade value just to lock down their pick. That happens, but i doubt seriously we would get anything north of a 3rd to drop back, and for the third it would be a pretty decent drop back in the first.

  134. dbolt48 says:

    Tim….I was definitely talking in case Wake goes down.

    • D says:

      They may already have a plan they are comfortable with though, maybe they are comfortable with Fede stepping in and or moving Branch to the LDE,. They may also compensate as i said, by using an OLB on the line for the wide rushes. Outside of the wide 9 technique, a speed rushers isnt necessarily a big plus in our defense.Last year they rarely lined Wake up wide too, like i was saying, they used LB’s in the 9 position.

      There isnt really a set position or type that wont work if you have a DC who has some flexibility, again, look to what they do not what feels natural. QB. especially Brady hard feel pressure from the fastes pass rusher because he has the ball out so fast, so that guy becomes less of a factor and a guy who plays the run, or pushes the pocket is better than a guy who uses speed to come around the outside.

  135. D says:

    Speed rushers have their draw backs, they usually are one injury away from being ineffective. Anythign that hampers that speed and their game drops off big. With the FA signings being run support DE’s, i wouldnt put it past them that an attribute they place a high value on is whether the DE can seal off the edge and if they play the wide 9 like they did last year (even with Wake in there) they didnt use the DE’s as the wide guy, they brought a LB up to give them the wide rush guy. I just think there iss too much hard coding of peoples belief in what or whom we need to replace whom. I also think its a lot easier to read the tea leaves as they are being laid out before you than it is to assume we know what type of players they want. They have been showing us much different pattern in moves they have made, people they have spoken with, people they traded for, people they brought in from FA.

  136. D says:

    The great thing about Wake is that unlike a lot of other speed rushers, he is generally very solid run defense, so he is going to be hard to replace in one person period.

    • dbolt48 says:

      That’s why I specified Willis & Hall….I do believe Hall has an explosive element also, but both can hold up against the run.

  137. D says:

    The most Wake like person i see in this draft is, and i think you have to factor in Wake when he came out of college vs the Wake with almost 10 years of NFL experience, but Smoot and the guy from FAU Hendrickson both looks really good. Hendrickson has the motor of Wake, and some really good speed rush moves, but i could see him becoming a real beast in the NFL, wont be immediate replacement but with Wake mentoring him, and him having a chance to develop and share time before having to fully replace, i think he is a guy to look at this year too. Smoot im not sure if his motor runs as high as Wake, but not many’s do, but after he makes his move and is successful, he smells blood in the water and the motor hits a whol other level, what i think people see in him that knocks his motor is when he has to fight through a block, sometimes he doesnt seem to have that same determination. I think either of these guys with Wake as their Mentor couldget there though.

  138. The Flying Pig says:

    Don’t worry guys
    Wake will keep playing until he is 105 years old
    we are set

  139. D says:

    dbolt48 says:
    March 29, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    I’ll disagree on Smoot, but Hendrickson might have that ability profile.
    ——————————————
    Smoot has the ability, im just not sure about the drive. Thats something you really cant see until they start playing, unless of course its really out of whack like with Coples, and even then you might have someone that just kicks it in gear when they make it to the NFL. Its juts not a exact science rooting out that quality.

    • D says:

      For what its worth, i agree about Hall as well but i think with his size and height specifically, he will be a good bit different than Wake. Part of whakes ability is he gets his shoulder down under the blocker and ensures his position on the outside of the player and then drives through them which puts him on the tightest arc to the QB possible. I think Hall will have to use his length and swim his guy, or use his arm length to keep the blocker away from his body. I dont think he can get the shoulder under theirs to get that very tight arc to the QB. Wake is really unique in a lot of aspects, again, thats why i think you dont have to focus on replacing him with a speed rusher, you have to look to replace as many aspects of what he does with whatever player can give you the most. Hall is one of those guys that if we take him, i think we have a future replacement for Wake, but he isnt a right now guy, neither are many, in fact probably none fully replace him, including Garrett or Barnett.

      • D says:

        You can see what i mean on many plays where Wake gets taken down with an arm around the neck (and then no penalty flag is thrown, still very frustrated with those non calls, as he had probably 6 more sacks last year if they hadn’t held him or we would have had several more penalties in our favor). They have to grab him like that because his sholderpads are under their outside arm and they have nothing to divert him or slow him down but to just grab his head.

  140. D says:

    DBolt, i really dont think Willis is a great run defender, i think he is a pretty solid pass rusher, but i think he takes some plays off, (its a minor issue) and i think he lacks the ability to take on blockers against the run, and he doesn’t always set a good edge. I think part of that is technique so id be good with taking him in the second and letting him learn, but i dont think he is a guy we could have take over for wake in case of injury either. I guess what im saying is, if Wake drops out this year, outside of Barnett, or Garrett i think we wind up either altering our scheme to compensate or we have a good sized drop off. I dont think it matters much if its Hall, or Willis, or Smoot or Hendrickson, i think we are in the same boat.

  141. D says:

    Wake won me over with the last two recoveries from his injuries with the level of production afterwards. He is a true freak of nature, and there is no telling how long he will be able to do this. You really cant count him out of anything.

  142. wyoming85 says:

    22: R1P22 EDGE DEREK BARNETT, TENNESSEE
    54: R2P22 G DAN FEENEY, INDIANA
    97: R3P33 LB DUKE RILEY, LSU
    166: R5P22 S TEDRIC THOMPSON, COLORADO
    178: R5P34 DL DEANGELO BROWN, LOUISVILLE
    184: R5P40 C JON TOTH, KENTUCKY
    223: R7P5 CB JEREMY CUTRER, MIDDLE TENNESSEE

  143. steveccnv says:

    The Wake move where he gets his shoulders lower than the OL, is actually a Michael Jordan move. I’ve used it playing BB it works great. I did it one time in a game and the defender claimed it was illegal, I just laughed.

  144. Rockphin says:

    Sweet! D is on and posting. that means I have a couple hours of reading to do! LOL

  145. D says:

    Tony Pauline @TonyPauline

    Miami Dolphins, San Fran 49ers & Oakland Raiders bringing in Jonathan Calvin for an official visit. Scouting Report http://draftanalyst.com/jonathan-calvin-0

    Was a DE at Mississippi State

  146. dbolt48 says:

    D,
    In regards to losing Wake, the D would have to make some form of an adjustment no matter what, as no rookie can replace Wake. You still want a player who can replicate his traits. In regards to Willis, I feel he sets the edge fine even though he can can get caught inside once in a while…..not as glaring as Taco. He has the ability to bend and flatten to the QB perfectly fine. My biggest thing I’d like to see him improve on is being able to string multiple counters together, which is true if most rookies outside of Garrett.

  147. dbolt48 says:

    D,
    I know exactly what you mean by Wake getting low forcing the OL to tackle by his head.

    • D says:

      That shit started to really piss me off last year, he was taken down like that so many times and ref’s just let it go. I mean just blatantly obvious take downs, they must be doing an “its almost unfair” adjustment for the RT’s that face him because it was too consistent not to be on purpose lol.

  148. here’s a list of players I want in the draft:
    Forrest Lamp
    Pat Elflien
    Carroll Phillips
    Duwuane Smoot
    Damontae Kazee
    Shelton Gibson
    Adam Pankey
    Dante Barnett
    Randall Goforth
    Tanner Vallejo
    CJ Beathard
    That’s my list and I’m sticking to it.

  149. D says:

    DBolt i think you and i are about the reverse on Charlton and WIllis, im a little down on Willis, and i think you are kinda down on Charlton, may be that you wouldnt take Charlton, but im not sure if thats fully the case, i would take Willis, but no higher than second round, and i honestly think he might slide to the third.

    • D says:

      Lou, with Shelton Gibson, what are you thinking with him? Make the team as a WR6 and maybe ST’s contributor, primarily KR? You think he would beat out Mighty Mouse? or maybe just a practice squad stash guy? I think here is an outside chance he would get a 6-7th round selection, but likely would be a UDFA, just not sure if he is someone you think would make the team this year or is he a talent you want to see develop and possibly make the team in case of injury or a couple years down the road?

      • D says:

        Sorry this was supposed to be a stand alone post not a reply to something that obviously it doesnt match with,

      • because you never stop adding talent to the team regardless of whether or not you feel you’re “stacked” at a certain position.

        we don’t know exactly what will happen this season. for instance, Carroo could ball in camp & get more & more opportunity during the season in the offense; especially if he’s putting up pts for us. what do we do if that happens? if we have another guy who you just can’t keep off the field because of what he brings to the table what do you do?

        what if Landry is still making a lot of catches but Caroo becomes a huge scoring threat in the redzone?

        again, I look at it as you never stop adding talent. we took Carroo last year in the drat with Landry, Parker & Stills on the team. A lot of fans didn’t understand that because they say we’re “stacked” at the position.

        So what if we are? Is that a bad thing? If you have an overabundance of talent at a position maybe it allows you to move someone for a player who can help out at another position like on defense.

        Gibson is a guy that could develop into a player that’s at least as good as an Austin or Lockett IMO. 5th rd is the latest he’s going.

  150. If I’m looking at a small school guy earlier he better have been dominant at his position in the conference he played in because if he’s not than he shouldn’t be taken earlier than the 5th rd.

    You have an edge guy from a small school who did nothing but rush the passer and didn’t play vs the run much that’s setting him way back vs the bigger school guys. 9 sacks for a guy from a small school is not dominant.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Like Fede for Instance. He’s a solid depth/role DE but not the pass rusher he was at a small school like Marist against low level competition.

  151. stangerx says:

    A couple interesting headlines.

    1 –“Here’s why Oakland Raiders fans are flipping to the Miami Dolphins”
    2 — “A pity Dolphins owner doesn’t own Chargers”
    ————-

    Doubt many Raider or Charger fans will be buying Wake jerseys, but word on Ross is getting out.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ross believes in “Best In Class”. He didn’t jump in as an owner and get wild. He took baby steps and learned through trial and error. I think he’s on the right path. He really started his influence from a football standpoint in the 2011 offseason. We all know the history.

      • stangerx says:

        Yep — He at least knew enough to know at first that he did not know much about running a football team on the field (even if had ideas on the business side). He has always know when it feels like it is running right though. And that is only in part about wins and losses.

  152. dbolt48 says:

    D,
    I need regards to Charlton….I just wouldn’t pick him until late RD2….but there’s people in the NFL circles that have better tape and info that love him. In regards to Willis he has the pure athleticism to be much more than Charlton….actually the ability to be the 2nd best DE in the draft. With that said I’d still take Barnett before himdue to his solid floor.

    • Wills did better in the drills at the Combine than I expected. He’s a pure speed rusher at this point and lacks the full compliment of moves which, of course, will come in time at the next level.

      My concern with him is that he absolutely sucks against the run and I mean he’s horrible. Again, he showed well in the Combine drills which are easy to prepare for when you train for them but it doesn’t show up on tape. He shows little ability to change direction; gets beat around his end by rb’s all the time and when he needs to change direction to make a play vs the run he’s show the inability to do so.

      If we do take a chance on him I would hope we don’t use a 1st or even a 2nd on him.

  153. Just think what Duwuane Smoot did WITHOUT the other guys on the defensive line other DE’s had the luxury of playing with.

    I’ll take the Smoot/Phillips combo in this draft. Biggest upside of anything out there.

    • dbolt48 says:

      I know you like Smoot…I’m not a fan. Phillips though, yeah I’ll take him on this team. Although I’d still prefer him as an OLB vs DE which is where Miami told him they like him.

      • I’d prefer him at OLB as well and then add his pass rushing ability on 3rd down. But, if you look at Smoot objectively along with all the other DE’s who will be available to us at #22 and beyond, he’s the best of the bunch.

        He puts on a little more weight and hits the weights he’s growing into a dominant force at DE. Quickest off the ball of any of the guys at DE and he plays the run better than most of the other guys too. He’s extremely strong for his size already. When he becomes a pro and hits the weight room he’s going to get even better.

        If he actually does fall as far as what I’ve seen him projected by most somebody is getting themselves one hell of a steal.

        Put it this way, I’d take him in the 4th any day over Taco in the 1st rd.

  154. If there ever was a year where this team could finally put the issues of the offensive line to rest it’s this year. If Grier has a shot at Lamp in the 1st & Elflien in the 2nd why would you not take it and be done with the line once and for all instead of allowing the issues to continue to linger.

    Maybe one could argue that we could be “okay” with Bushrod and Larsen at the guard spots but why in the hell would you want to just be “okay” with that scenario when you can get two guys who can be the present AND future on the o-line for many years to come.

    I’m sorry my Phins friends. If these guys are there when we’re on the clock in the 1st and 2nd you can have your Peppers, Charltons and whomever. I’d be running to the podium to take them.

    • steveccnv says:

      We have bigger needs, than to take 2 OL in the first 2 rounds. I like both Elflein and Lamp, and wouldn’t complain, if that happened, but this team doesn’t value OG enough to take them with a first round pick, at least that’s what Mando says, and from what I’ve seen I believe it.

      • yeah, what could be a bigger need than to keep your qb upright or give him the time he needs to execute the plays properly, to find the open receiver and push the ball up the field instead of dumping it off underneath.

        and, don’t get me wrong, I’m not being snippy towards you it’s just that the offensive line has been a problem for so long and now that they’ve finally got a shot to put those issues to rest they’re going to decide to go in a different direction. just boggles the mind a team would do something like that.

        I just don’t get that if Gase truly thinks Tannehill is the guy and he wants him to be able to get the job done and he wants to be able to run the ball then why wouldn’t they make the attempt to put the offensive line issues to rest once and for all.

        ppl point out time and again how bad the offensive line has been, ranked 30th in the league I believe someone said, and they won’t address it. we have bigger needs. well, if the o-line was ranked 30th in the league last season what could be a bigger need than that?

      • steveccnv says:

        We couldn’t stop Pitt or NE, and by taking those OL in the 1st and 2nd you’re surely not taking BPA.

      • How can you say that? Consider who could be there at #22 and tell me there would be a player there that’s better than Lamp. Grier said it’s not just BPA but the best player for the team. If you’re looking at DE like Charlton, a LB like Cunningham and Lamp you can’t argue that the other two are overwhelmingly a better choice for the team. You just can’t.

  155. The Flying Pig says:

  156. I think we could look at the Pittsburgh game either way. yeah, Pittsburgh ran all over us in that game but, by the same token, we didn’t run all over them. Ajayi had just 33 yds compared to Bell’s 167. If we controlled the ball by running it could we have been more competitive?

  157. Plus, we led the league in 3 and out’s because when we faced 3rd down and tried to pass for the 1st the opposing D got the pressure they needed to stop us.

    • steveccnv says:

      Again stats. When the line was healthy it was dominant.

      • you are forgetting one thing. when it was healthy it consisted of Albert, Tunsil, Pouncey, Bushrod & James with Bushrod being the weak link. Now Albert is gone and we have two weak links in Larsen & Bushrod.

        Second thing you’re missing on is the run blocking for Ajayi in the game where he was healthy was good because they moved James to the left side with Albert & had Young playing RT and lined up a TE on the left too and we ran the ball to the left a lot with that.

        Third thing is the run blocking was good but the pass blocking still wasn’t where it needed to be. We still faced way too many 3rd down situation where the D got pressure quickly and Tannehill was forced to get the ball out too fast.

        I’m finally agreeing with people that we need to do a better job of protecting our qb and giving him time to find the open receiver and everyone’s so hell bent on defense they don’t care anymore. Bizzaro world.

  158. No draft is perfect, but this one is pretty damn close:

    ProfessorLOU‏ @ProfessorLou1 35s
    35 seconds ago

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    RD 1. Forrest Lamp, RD 2 Pat Elflien, RD 3 Carroll Phillips RD 4 Duwane Smoot RD 5 Adam Pankey RD 6 Dante Barnett RD 7 Randall Goforth

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