Do you smell that?
It wasn’t me….
It’s the draft…it’s right around the corner you know
Ah….take a big inhale in and take it in!
What will the Dolphins do?
Will they answer my squeals and draft linebacker!
Or do they stay up front but draft a pass rusher?
They might not even do that
They might draft a defensive back…
Pitt running back Chris James (3) scores a first-quarter touchdown as Iowa defensive back Maurice Fleming (28) makes the late tackle in the endzone, and Iowa defensive back Desmond King (14) leaps over them during an NCAA college football game in Pittsburgh, Saturday, Sept. 20, 2014. (AP Photo/Gene Puskar)
Or maybe even
they put building the defense on the back burner
and draft offense!
WKU Hilltoppers offensive lineman Forrest Lamp (76) during an NCAA football game between the North Texas Mean Green vs the WKU Hilltoppers, Saturday November 12, 2016 at Houchens Industries-L.T. Smith Stadium in Bowling Green Kentucky. (Photos by Steve Roberts/WKU Athletics)
We only have to wait a few more days
Can you smell it?
(Piggy farts)
Finsmob Unleashed 
I saw Son’s favorite analyst (Charlie Casserly) has us taking S Malik Hooker at #22 in his mock draft that came out yesterday
Hooker has been dropping according to a lot of stuff I read
I wonder if its real
Maybe Malik is not a Fair Hooker – OD will get this one . . .
10/22 for a fest is highly probable for me. Don’t think I can do 10/08
Then I hope we do it the 22nd
I voted for the Titans game, but I made it clear I can do either one, and I think a bunch of us are flexible on that, so despite the vote, I think we can change it.
I voted for Titans too…..but was a toss up for me anyhow. Jets tickets will cost a bit more, but only a bit. Plus a bit later is probably better for all the cold weather folks looking for the tropical weather.
Herd indicated that if she has a chance at going it would be later in the month as well.
Vote 10/22 on all of your devices!
And you know there is nothing Rock will like nothing better than having Jet fans to yell at. 🙂
Things seem to be lining up for 10/22. I just have one problematic case I have to deal with between now and then which I am counting on being able to do
Joe Thomas commented yesterday and made a good point about diluted samples
You can determine than to be diluted pretty immediately, yet the NFL has no system in place to say to a prospect “hey your test was diluted, take the test again”
They basically do one test and if its diluted, they just let it be
These prospects aren’t failing the drug tests
the testing is failing
Yeah – I know they are probably dining a ton of water to cause the diluted sample
but just test them again
if it keeps happening – then an assessment as a real problem is probably a lot more likely to be accurate
They probably have time to do half a dozen tests if they wanted to
instead they do the 1 test at the combine
doesn’t really make sense
I am hoping he pulls a Tunsil and will be sitting there at 22
Agree 100%! Absolutely agree on the retest. I do think it’s a major red flag regardless, but they should be given another test ASAP. Only think I’m not sure of is if it comes out diluted one day, are you able to get a [positive test result the next day, or is it possible the water will completely eliminate the chance of a positive result?
Si don’t know if you can retest the next day
But seems you can retest pretty quickly
Sure one diluted test is a red flag
But that is sort of the point
Retest and try to see if there is a bigger problem
Do you know if the testing at the combine is covered by the agreed to policy in the CBA for players on teams? If not, then for sure the NFL could do what it wants.
Probably not
Bc prospects are eligible players to join the players union yet
My guess is everything at the combine is outside of the scope of the CBA
Just a guess
FEST
Will be Titans (Sun, Oct 8) or Yets (Sun, Oct 22), both start at one. If you have not already voted, the poll is up.
Will be the usual night before get together and Chef Warren tailgate.
Need to get a rough number to reserve the group ticket section, but don’t worry if not sure cause they let you adjust down when payment is due a like 8 weeks before the game.
ALREADY IN (for either game)
Pig
Phindog (+2, maybe +3)
Mike E (+1)
Son (+1…..and # will grow)
Rock
Chef Warren (+1)
Stanger (+1)
Phelonius (plus something)
Toba (+1)
POSSIBLE
Ken (Jets probable, Titans not)
Herd (more likely for Jets)
Howie
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Help us set the #. Sooner we do the better the seats will be.
You know what, after further consideration, if you drink too much water before your drug test, fuck it, you’re fucked! I’m sure you have to drink a silly amount of water to get that result, so there’s a reason. You know when the test is, and I’m sure they tell you what to do and what not to do, so . . . . If you fail, it’s on you chump! That’s my final answer!
But how does help a team evaluate what the problem is or may be
This isn’t about who’s fault it is
It’s an opportunity to look at some one
Hypothetically
If prospect A drank to much water (to cover about results)
Then was tested again
And came back clean
And prospect B did the same
Then was tested again
And failed or was diluted again
Which prospect concerns you more?
The point is to get answers
Don’t worry about fault or any moral judgment
Worry about answers
Don’t buy the hype. These diluted tests are almost always because they used drugs. All these guys know they’re gonna be tested at the combine, and they STILL drink gallons of water the night before the test? Why would you take that risk? And, you don’t hydrate that way anyway. The last thing you want to do the night before you want to perform at your peak athletically is drink a ton of water. Plus, do they not go take a piss that next day after drinking all that water BEFORE they test? Come on. Get real. Guys do it to attempt to hide something…because it’s easier to play off a diluted result by saying they just over-hydrated than one that was definitely dirty. We see this all the time in my work. This is exactly why the NFL sees a diluted test as a positive…because it is almost always because they smoked weed.
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The issue of the quality/veracity of the tests is a whole other question. But, these guys know exactly what they’re doing. If I’m an agent and my client confides that they smoked weed in the past 30-60 days, I tell them to drink up!
Of course
Not the point though
If you catch them twice doing the same thing
Or if they pass later
You have more information
But they don’t do that
They test them once and that’s it
So a lot of prospects work the diluted test angle
Do they have a problem or did they just enjoy themselves too much?
More tests would give you a better sense of that
Draft Tek has us taking
RD1 – S Jabrill Peppers
RD2 – OG Dion Dawkins
RD3 – LB Alex Anzalone
RD5 – DE Vince Biegel
RD5 – MLB Jayon Brown
RD5 – C Kyle Fuller
RD7 – RB Tarean Folston
RD7 – WR Gabe Marks
It’s weird that Biegel keeps coming up for us
He is basically a 3-4 OLB
But I think he can play a specialist kind of role Or even eventually become a 4-3 OLB
MikeE,
As if anybody will blame suck ass Tannehill for any failings. It will ALWAYS be the OL that sucks. Lol
I’m trying eliminate that variable! lol
Piggy
No reason to fail it the first time. Rules are rules. There’s no good reason to not comply unless you’re guilty. IMO, instead of stating it was a diluted sample, they just should just say they failed period. You don’t comply, you fail, simple as that. They don’t deserve 2nd chances, they knew when the test was, and if they couldn’t be clean for it, they fail.
If you are in the business of evaluating you want as much information is possible
Forget about what it means for the prospect
Think about how a team can beat evaluate the talent available
I would evaluate it as it is, non-compliant, and unreliable. I really would. I would then have to make the decision if they were available at my pick if they were worth taking a risk on. Believe me, all these teams FO’s know what’s up when they come up diluted. They understand the deal, and then they have to weigh the risk against the talent, or choose a safer player.
Piggy
Forget what it is they were trying to hide, whether it’s pot or PED’s. They had plenty of advanced notice as to when the test was, no surprise, and they cheated. I don’t see any reason to look past that.
One thing that does come up at the combine versus other times is that they might have been trying to cheat the scale rather than the drug test. But you are right that it is not some random test……it is the biggest one of their lives. And not like most of them don’t train for months specifically for max performance at that one weekend.
Piggy,
They were tested and failed the test. Why test again? It doesn’t give you any more information that would be helpful. If the guy’s smart and knows he smoked, he drinks a lot again before the next test. Besides, do you wait a day? A week? A month? That’s just not how drug testing works.
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Besides, a diluted result puts them in the NFL intervention program…whatever they call it. So, they will be tested again at some point. I’m not suggesting that these results are never because of another reason, but I’d guess that’s rare. Plus, if they test them again and they fail, do you consider that two failed tests? That’s even worse for the player, and I’d bet the player’s union would have a problem with that.
It is sorta of ironic that the one thing that stays in their system the far longest is the one you are hoping is exactly what they are trying to hide in the first place. After the first dilute, a 2nd that shows pot would actually be better than a 2nd dilute.
They all seem to claim they weren’t feeling good or cramping up so they drank massive amounts of water and gatorade. I didn’t think you could mask pot that easily.
Combines make me thirsty!
LOL
LOL Kramer. It is a got to when the dilute comes up. PED dirty (they don’t disclose for what) and it is “GNC made me do it.”
stanger,
I disagree. A diluted test simply means creatinine levels suggest some sort of masking agent was used…usually water, but it is usually done with Tylenol and vitamin B or B12…I can’t remember…and the test may not be able to detect drugs. It’s a matter of how you can manage it in the media. A diluted test, while still seen as a positive test by the NFL and pretty much everyone, can be played off with the whole “hydration” crap. If you actually test positive for drugs in your system, there’s no spinning it in the media.
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Ultimately, how it impacts their status in the NFL and their intervention program is no different. How you play it in the media is completely different.
But if the test is a day or two later….seems the 2nd one a day or two later comes diluted too and for sure something is being hidden. At that point best case scenario is pot.
Draftsite.com has us taking
RD1 – Forrest Lamp
RD2 – Budda Baker
RD3 – Brad Kaaya – That’s a WOW pick, don’t think that’s happening
Mando is saying that harris from missouri is high on the phins draft board. Not sure I like that pick especially since he’s not the best run stopper.
He would likely be groomed as Wake’s replacement down the road. He’s a pass rusher. Needs work on run defense for sure.
He said Harris & Barnett are the 2 1st round DEs they’d select. If they’re not available they will select a different higher rated position.
Matt Miller reported today about Miami:
Miami Dolphins: The hype for Forrest Lamp building on Twitter is legit, said one scouting source. The team would also like to add talent at defensive end and tight end early in the draft.
Which would mean Miami could be looking at Harris, Barnett, Lamp, & Njoku as their targets at 22.
Interesting that TE is high on the list. Makes you wonder what the plan is on offense.
The reason I don’t want to take OL at 22 is, because we can get by with the OL we currently have (The D not so much), you can hide bad O players, but try to hide bad D and the O will exploit you.
I’d be very pleased with Dion Dawkins RD 2
What’s worse: A diluted urine sample or being filmed doing bong hits while wearing a gas mask ?
A diluted sample at the combine is worse than doing bong hits while wearing a gas mask 2-3 years prior. It’s not like Tunsil was doing that backstage at the draft. LOL
Depends on what he is trying to mask and if in fact he is trying to mask something. Potentially you may be correct but there was no legitimate excuse for Tunsil’s incident other than it is more remote in time
The bong mask was dumb, but it was a few years prior and not at the biggest interview of his life.
Ken, you have to take into account that Tunsil was blind-sided by some disgruntled douchebag trying to ruin his draft status the day of the draft. Lots of kids smoke weed in HS and in college and that was 2-3 years ago. He had never failed a drug test.
Tim,
I need regards to interest in TE….I think they want to have viable passing options out of every formation and they also want to develop their own in house TE to groom in the O.
In regards….Damnit phone
Tim,
Fasano is, what, 12 years into his career? It’s hard to assume he’s being seen as a guy with a long term future in the NFL. He hasn’t had over 30 catches a season in 5 years. Thomas has his question marks as well. Can he stay healthy? Can he be the type of productive player he was once? I think this team definitely needs to get younger at TE. I wish we had a shot at Howard because I’d take that kid in a heartbeat.
You’re probably right. Yeah Howard is going to be special.
Dawkins and Asiata are supposedly the round 2 OG targets Miami will look for if they go DE or TE in RD 1.
Asiata’s name has come up quite a bit.
I like him as a player. Seems his biggest issue is he can drop his head like a bull going after 2nd level defenders and they simply side step him to get to the play. When he keeps his head upright he plays well and can physically abuse defenders. Has a lot of Incognito to his infield demeanor.
Sorry Dorian Johnson not Dawkins;
“The two names I’m hearing associated with the team in the second round are Dorian Johnson and Isaac Asiata [listed above]. If they land Lamp in the first round, sources tell me pass rusher becomes a priority on Day 2.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article146539374.html#storylink=cpy
Johnson is a perfect LG fit for the zone stuff we run.
It seems like Walker & the kid from Albany State are the teams late round DT targets.
Dude is huge.
@FilmDontLie: My official Dolphins 7-Round Mock for @thedeependmiami —> https://t.co/3Vba1nQr9c
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 12:43 pm (Edit)
Ken, you have to take into account that Tunsil was blind-sided by some disgruntled douchebag trying to ruin his draft status the day of the draft. Lots of kids smoke weed in HS and in college and that was 2-3 years ago. He had never failed a drug test.
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Being blind sided by a douche bag doesn’t change what Tunsil did. I also Peppers has not failed a drug test either
Well I’m one who doesn’t care if players smoke weed. The NFL does though so if you’re doing it close enough to the combine to fuck up your drug test that’s pretty stupid. Tunsil didn’t do that, Peppers did something to send up a red flag. As did Foster and the idiot Brantley who knocked a woman out along with her tooth is on a whole other level of stupid.
We don’t know what exactly Peppers was trying to mask if anything. It is highly suspicious but no less concerning than what Tunsil did which is my point. If Tunsil was not disqualified from our draft board for literally masking his drug use then Peppers should not be either
I agree. Like I said I don’t care if it’s pot. The timing was bad though.
Can anyone explain to me why some folks think we need another TE?
We’s got a plethora now! 😉
Do we have any that you can count on?. Thomas is oft injured and has not done much since leaving Denver and there is a reason why we didn’t resign Fasano when he first left
Fasano said he left Miami because he didn’t like the direction of the team, but does now. He’s definitely here as mainly a blocker. He’ll be a last option as a receiver.
Fasano also has talked about only signing a 1yr deal because he doesn’t know how much longer he will play. I think this is his swan song.
We’ve got Fasano, Thomas and Duarte
I may be Farty
But or confuse Durarte for what he is
The others are big risks
The only thing we can count on is that Fasano should block well
But he’s up there
And Thomas is hardly a sure thing
He was horrible for jax last season
And had one good season with Manning
We also have Gray. I think Thomas is a sure thing as long as he’s healthy. He had back to back 12 TD seasons in Denver. He’s a red zone nightmare.
Even if we get the Denver version of Thomas he will be pushing 30 soon and you never know when the wheels will fall off. His game is based on pure athleticism & that looked diminished in Jax. Could’ve been the extra weight they asked him to put on or just Father Time. Unlike Fasano who developed into the best blocking TE in the game Thomas doesn’t have that ability to fall back on when his athleticism fades. I’d like to think we’ll get 2yrs of the solid version of Thomas, but the team needs to plan ahead.
dbolt, no doubt Fasano is on the short term. I have no problem adding another TE, just surprised if it’s early.
I think it’s early because you can get elite talent early. We won’t know until a few years from now, but many have said this is the best TE class in a really long time. Also if Thomas did go down again there’s really no one who’ll fill that role on the roster. Gray is more H-Back than TE.
All logical thoughts. One good thing is Thomas said in an interview with Congemi he has no lingering or chronic health issues. He’s just had the misfortune to get banged up playing a very physical game.
It’s a pretty deep TE class this year though.
If you’re not getting Howard or Njoku, it might make sense to wait a bit.
I think Evan Engram is going to be a weapon though he’s not a prototype TE at 6-3 235.
Yes, but he’s not really an in-line TE
No not at all. He’ll be one of those hybrids that line up all over the place to create mismatches. He ran a 4.42.
Hodges, Leggett and Butt all look like pretty good TE’s that can be starters and they will be available later
I think Njoku is appropriately the 2nd best TE
but I don’t see him s head and shoulders above the next couple of TEs
Howard on the other hand really separates himself as a special talent IMO
Howard and Njoku could be rare once in a generation level type of talent. I am not advocating drafting a TE in round 1 but I would completely understand if one of those 2 was the pick
I don’t think Njoku is the player some are hyping him to be
He’s an athletic TE – those are available every year
Njoku is raw but I think the upside is huge but there is the risk he never really develops
Njoku seems like a Thomas type of recevier.
That is what I think
He’s an overgrown WR
not to take away from him
but he doesn’t reek of well rounded
Honestly think Kittle & Leggett might be guys they could look at in round 3
I like the idea of adding Kittle
but round 3 seems a bit high for him
I know its a late 3rd and we don’t have a 4th but that still seems high for him
CBS has Kittle as a 3-4 rd guy and Leggett 3rd.
Leggett makes sense in the 3rd
but Kittle has always been a day 3 pick to me bc he doesn’t seem to offer too much int he passing game
I think he is a lot like Sims
I don’t say that as a bad thing – I just don’t see that passing weapon in Kittle
Pig,
Kittle has been getting play as a 2nd rounder lately. Almost everyone who speaks on him blames the O he was in and not him for the non flashy numbers. Also very different than Sims as he has long speed and excellent athletic traits.
He’s a 4.5 guy with a 35″ vertical at 6-4 245.
Regarding DE Harris
He comes off as a guy who will make a pretty seamless transition to 4-3 DE
I’m too surprised that we have taken an interest
Ken
I just think there are a lot of TE’s that can do what Njoku can do
Why not Engram or Leggett or Hodges
All of those guys are the same type of TE
I don’t think TE is a need for us
and I don’t get spending a high pick on Njoku
Howard on the other hand is a rare talent so…..
Hodges’s is the one guy I avoid unless it’s the 5th or later.
He’s probably a day 3 pick
Ive heard a lot of teams are taking him off the board as a TE and are looking at him more as a Kelvin Benjamin big WR
I think Njoku upside is higher than Howard’s. I also think is area of need as I am not convinced our current crop is all that and or healthy
Why do you think Njoku upside is higher than Howard’s?
None of our TEs are injured at this time so that really shouldn’t be part of the evaluation. If you mean you’re not confident Thomas or Fasano can stay healthy that’s understandable. But you could say that about Gronk too and I think we’d all take him. 🙂
Cameron wasn’t injured at this time last year either. In regards to Njoku I think he has more raw athleticism than Howard and more receiving skills than Howard
Kittle is 6-4 247lbs
Ran the 40 in a 4.52
38.5″ vertical pro day
11′ broad jump
He’s one of the best athletes at the position along with being an all-around TE.
Daniel Jeremiah has Miami taking Lamp in his final mock:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000802161/article/jeremiah-mock-draft-50-trubisky-mahomes-go-backtoback?campaign=tw-nf-sf73206824-sf73206824&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Conley is accused of rape and has teams jittery about picking him with this ‘cloud’ hanging over him.
Sounds like the Miami misinformation plan is working again this year. lol
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19240316
Does this seem like a guy hiding something? I dont see it.
What was he doing that he can’t say on national TV? He already has a 9 year old daughter, wow!
Shitting his guts out Tim….
Oh okay I get it, he said throwing up but not the other. LOL
What is his playing weight do you know?
Ken, you could say that about any player in the league not being injured at this time. We all know a lot of guys are going to go down this year, happens every year. I don’t think you can build your team afraid of unseen injuries. Unfortunately for Cameron continuing concussions did end his career. Mike was right about him all along.
Thomas has spent a lot of time on IR the last 2 years I don’t trust him to stay healthy
Fair enough. Let’s hope he doesn’t miss much time and is super productive. 🙂
Looks like Loria is selling the Marlins to Jeter and Jeb Bush
Woop woop
Glavine and Romney were in the hunt to buy them as well.
Goodbye to a bad owner at least…..and guessing both the new ones will be wanting to put out a good team.
Ken says:
April 25, 2017 at 3:35 pm
Cameron wasn’t injured at this time last year either. In regards to Njoku I think he has more raw athleticism than Howard and more receiving skills than Howard
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There is more on tape f him being able to be a receiving threat, because Howard wasnt used as much in that role, however if you are looking at what each made of their opportunities when they had them Howad has more big plays than Njoku, and TBH, there hasnt been a better overall TE prospects, the kind of all around good product, pass pro, run blocking, receiver, all combined than Howard in at least 10 years. Hell even Gronk wasn’t as well refined when he came out of college as Howard. IO also dont think Njoku is as refined a receiver as Engram, who also, while not as good a blocker as Howard, is still a better blocker than Njoku. Id rather have Jeremy Sprinkle as a guy we looked at day 2-3, than the others because i think he is a Sim’s ++ like guy, slightly better blocker and receiver. Engram, especially if he falls to the third round would be damn hard to pass up too.
Definatly think its a mistake to take Njoku in the 1st, Howard is the only TE this year deserving of a first round selection, but there are plenty that are deserving of 2nd to 3rd round picks.
I still like Foster, im not saying the guy is a saint and he comes from a place that a lot of us cant understand, still i though that in that interview and in some previous ones i have seen, the guy handles himself well and do you have to sit him down and say, look dude, you are a pro now, time to start acting like one all the time… yeah i think ya have to have that conversation, but i think its also something that you dont have to stand over him all the time and watch him to make him do that. Tunsil seems to have kept himself focuses, i think Foster is another guy that makes that change too. Hell Peppers comes from a worse background, and i think he is the same deal, i think once he has a chance to show people he is going to be a pro, he will do it.
The difference with Tunsil was that video of him was 2-3 years ago at that time, it wasn’t like 2 weeks before the draft and he didn’t have a diluted sample. So there was nothing for him to work on, he was clean coming out. Teams are wondering if the guys with diluted samples at the combine are clean. Not the same situation and that’s why I don’t understand putting Tunsil in the same category. Timing is everything, the combine is like a job interview, Tunsil didn’t fail his. Some douchebag blind-sided him with something from his past.
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Oh okay I get it, he said throwing up but not the other. LOL
What is his playing weight do you know?
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235 i think. A lot of the players down a shit ton of water the day before the weigh in to get their weight up so they look better on the scales and if he was already down because of sickness, i could easily see that and the need to replenish hydration as a legit reason he was dilute, Peppers too.
I agree and a diluted sample is one thing, a drug being found is another. It should not be classified as a failed drug test if no drug was found. I always heard it takes like 30 days minimum to get weed out of your system even while trying to cleanse. I know this from people I know being tested for union jobs.
D:
I agree that Howard is a more complete prospect between blocking and receiving. I do think Njoku has the ability to be a more explosive receiving threat. That said I would draft Howard over Njoku
I would too because he is a more rare prospect than Njoku, i like Njoku and wouldnt be upset at all if we had him on our team, i just dont see a once in a decade player and to me Howard is.
Marlins are getting sold to a group led by Jeb Bush and Derek Jeter for $1.3 billion. Ross may become the third most famous sports owner in South Florida. Guessing he is real glad he bought the Phins though for less.
I hope the Marlins suck for the next decade. I can’t stand goody-two shoes Jeets,
LOL
Another disgruntled Mets fan. JBB
You’re right, and still hate Jeets.
I don’t want him to enjoy this at all. I want him to be miserable when he sells the team for a loss. lol
I don’t dislike Jeter I just think he was always highly overrated. Every time he made a big play people acted like he’s the only one who could do it and it was never done before. LOL
He was a quality baseball player, not ever the best at anything. He played on great teams. If he ended up on another team he’d be considered a solid player and nothing more. But he was on the Yankees so let’s make him out to be the best there ever was. He wasn’t even close.
I’m not sure why he can’t just be considered that instead of people trying to make him out to be something he wasn’t.
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 4:09 pm
The difference with Tunsil was that video of him was 2-3 years ago at that time, it wasn’t like 2 weeks before the draft and he didn’t have a diluted sample. So there was nothing for him to work on, he was clean coming out. Teams are wondering if the guys with diluted samples at the combine are clean. Not the same situation and that’s why I don’t understand putting Tunsil in the same category. Timing is everything, the combine is like a job interview, Tunsil didn’t fail his. Some douchebag blind-sided him with something from his past.
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It wasn’t vetted about it being a older picture until after the draft though, so imo, we are a team that trusts our scouting, not one that gives a crap about the noise before draft, which a lot of time, thats what it is a bunch of noise to make those guys fall. I put Tunsil in the same category because there were a lot of questions swirling around him, took money from boosters, assault charges against him, the bong video, his involvement with the Nkemdiche incident, etc.
Again, diluted sample is all i think Foster has against him, and all of Peppers stuff goes way back, outside of the diluted sample, so IMO these guys are really any different than the Tunsil situation because what it all boils down to is character concerns and worry of getting something unstable, so again it goes back to same logic placed on do you draft Laremy, and the answer is yes, if your scouting says you should.
Doesn’t Foster also have some injury concerns and he also had that blow up with a nurse. Yes it just came out that way. LOL
Never heard about any assault charges against him, and what was his involvement with the Nkemdiche incident, etc.? That he was there when Nkemdiche fell out a window? LOL
D – Diluted sample = GUILTY!!! Stop trying to make it anything other than that.
Foster also has the hospital blow up as well
Mike, do you know what the blow up was over? He was waiting in line for his exam, and apparently felt he was being skipped over, he had intervews set with a lot of the teams and he blew up because it was taking so long. There was no physical altercation he just was just arguing with them and he pull a “do you know who i am” kind of card which then the hospital staff member rebutted and it got out of hand. Ive seen regular people with shit to do that day lose their shit of sitting at the hospital for hours.
D — why did he get kicked out of the combine if that is all that happened? Maybe it had nothing to do with the dilute test, but dude did that during the biggest three days other than on the field in his life. Again — he was kicked out of the combine.
So you feel exactly the same about Peppers then?
Arison with the Heat is probably better known just because Carnival Cruises is more recognizable by the public that The Related Companies that Ross owns. Coulda been ranked below Viola the Panthers owner too because i think Trump was going to appoint him Secretary of the Army lol.
D
I feel that anyone who dilutes before a drug test is guilty. I’m sure they were given guidelines of things not to do, and if it were just a matter of hydrating, then everyone would fail. It’s likely way more than just normal hydration, it’s probably gallons and gallons to purge everything.
just a little parched
My thing is this, if there was no drug shown, its not a failed drug test, they arent doing a dilution test, they are testing for drugs. They could easily have tested them again in little while and gotten a non-dilute test and this would have all been settled, so if you arent going the extra mile to prove my guilt, ill just fall back to whats supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Again, hair, or just getting a non-dilute sample would have made this thing not suspicious. Also why now week of the draft and not the week after or several weeks ago, they can get urine results back damn near immediately. Doesnt any of this make you wonder about anything?
D
He was out of control in a setting where he shouldn’t have. You can call it immaturity, or whatever, but it doesn’t look good for him no matter how you slice it. No one else went off, just him.
Doesnt look good but it doesn’t add to any guilt of the dilution. You seem to lump them together. I can deal with immature from a 23 year old kid. Im pretty sure some of your old guys have dealt with immature 23 year olds somewhere in your life.
TIM: AGREE with your take on Jeter. But it’s hardly his fault if the grovelling New York media wanted to over rate him. That said, I DO think Jeets will bring some baseball common sense to a franchise that has lacked it under Jeffrey Loria the last several years.
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The REALLY BIG NAME in this deal is Jeb Bush who, I believe, will have access to some really big money people who will play a more positive role in this franchise. FIRST JOB: reach out to the local Cuban-American community which Loria alienated with some of his questionable antics and bribes of local politicos. A ndew day is dawning—and I HOPE it is a BETTER DAY!
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GO FISH!!
OD — you coming to the Fest? Would be great if you just got a seat with the crew…..and you could make some money too.
Howard appears to be a fantastic prospect as a truly complete TE. That’s kind of what sets him apart for me. Njoku is a better athlete. But, Howard is a better football player. Might Njoku become great? To me…it’s possible….but only as a receiver. He will never be a great blocker at TE. Howard might be great at everything and already prepares and performs like a professional, from all reports.
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I would have no problem drafting Kittle in the 3rd. I’m not sure I’d take him in the 2nd. If you don’t take Howard, you can wait a bit to take a TE. Kittle is nothing like Sims as far as their tools. He’s a good player who really wasn’t given a ton of opportunities. He’s more athletic than you’d think. White receiver bias. Lol
D
Let’s say there was a drug called “X” that would wipe out any other drug from showing up. Drug “x” is legal, but it’s only use would be to ruin drug test results. Think of the dilution as the same thing. There is no reason on earth the test should be diluted unless they are covering something up. I just can’t think of it any other way.
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 5:18 pm
Doesn’t Foster also have some injury concerns and he also had that blow up with a nurse. Yes it just came out that way. LOL
Never heard about any assault charges against him, and what was his involvement with the Nkemdiche incident, etc.? That he was there when Nkemdiche fell out a window? LOL
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He was scheduled to be examined by the staff, and had to wait an excessive amount of time, or at least to him was excessive, he never got examined so it had nothing to do with results of it that he had issue with. See my reply to Miked for more details.
There were reports that the weed they found was Tunsil’s. That was the part of the Nkemdiche incident that was being discussed at the Combine. The assault charges were because he beat the shit out his step-dad because his step-dad his his mother…
Also im not saying we shouldn’t have drafted Tunsil, im showing you guys that your diluted sample and a “heated argument” what a medical person shouldn’t scare you anymore than that bong video did, for either of these two. Personally a lot of this seems more like not liking a prospect and having reasons to say we shouldn’t take him than legit concerns, just saying. IMO that’s actually a better reason for you guys to say you don’t think we should take him is you think he is over hyped than it is to try to go this route.
Oh okay forgot about Tunsil defending his Mom but that is not a red flag to me, that’s purple heart stuff. You don’t hit women especially not someone’s Mom and expect nothing from a Son who has exceptional size and strength. You have to be really stupid.
I’m also not writing off Foster and Peppers. But there is suspicion out there. It’s probably the Pats trying to land both of them. 😉
Mike E. says:
April 25, 2017 at 5:34 pm
D
Let’s say there was a drug called “X” that would wipe out any other drug from showing up. Drug “x” is legal, but it’s only use would be to ruin drug test results. Think of the dilution as the same thing. There is no reason on earth the test should be diluted unless they are covering something up. I just can’t think of it any other way.
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Problem with your statement is you are wrong Mike, there are absolutely reasons the dilution of the urine could be from some other reason other than hiding anything. I have reference several reasons and you must be ignoring them….
How can one be wrong in a presented and logically consistent hypothetical?
Because he is stating there is no reason to have a dilute sample other than the hiding of the drugs in his system, and thats not true. Come on counselor, you would have shredded that statement as well.
He never explained that….he went to his own thinking. Not sure how you know what that is.
“There is no reason on earth the test should be diluted unless they are covering something up. I just can’t think of it any other way.”
Seems like an absolute statement to me. No reason unless covering up. I cant think of it any other way.
I guess if you want to say that last statement makes it a opinion, i should have asked about his qualification to make such a statement… I have at least offered my take on why he is wrong as i have quoted a couple different professionals who have both said downing water to get weight up is a common practice before combine for people who are fringe weight guys, and also the statements that the NFL commonly compensates for lives of excessive hydration by not failing a person for dilute, but indeed just collecting another sample. They also didn’t do specific gravity tests which are common if you suspect dilution for purpose of purging so there is that. I mean im not having this argument unarmed guys, i have read up on it.
That includes covering up drinking up to weigh more on the scale….which was actually Foster’s proffered reason once the dilute came up. And again….he was saying what his thoughts were. In the real world I tend to think when people get arrested think they have done something wrong like him too. But stuff like this is what this place is about, and you are one great poster.
I can’t speak to what the rules are in the NFL. In my experience, it’s not that a diluted result is considered the same as a “dirty” test. We all talk about it like that, myself included. But, the reason they typically consider it a failed test is that the individual did not provide a sample that was not diluted….a testable sample, basically. That is typically the individual’s responsibility and talked about in the process. Because you didn’t provide that, it’s considered a failed test.
Actually its not in the sports world Randy. In the NFL if they get a dilute sample, they collect another one a little while later and do so until they have a non-dilute. Joe Thomas was talking about that the other day, he is saying despite this being a NFL event they didnt handle that anywhere near like they do in the normal NFL testing, they also had a pro baseball player say they do the same thing in baseball. My question is if this is sponsored by the NFL and a NFL career rides on this, why does the same thing get done, or hell why not just take a hair test
I agree with this.
stangerx says:
April 25, 2017 at 5:28 pm
D — why did he get kicked out of the combine if that is all that happened? Maybe it had nothing to do with the dilute test, but dude did that during the biggest three days other than on the field in his life. Again — he was kicked out of the combine.
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He was kicked out of the combine due to the incident, yes. I read several reports by people that were there that said both Reuben and the Medical person blew things out of porportion, they said that it started out as a question as to why it was taking so long, and then Foster who got agitated that it was going to be a good bit longer threw down a “do you know who i am kind of line” the medical person kinda put him in his place they got even more heated and then he was removed, and asked to leave by the NFL due to that incident. Why try to make it more than that, thats very well covered that it was due to a heated exchange, and it would have certainly been reported as more had there been more to it.
Same weekend as he gave the dilute test as well. Can we start with you see that both of those are flags that will bring down his draft value? If it helps…..I want him on the Phins. Might even want us to trade up to get him.
Im not arguing his dropping, or flags or anything like that, that isnt where this started. im arguing the point that the idea of taking him if our scouting says he is a good prospect and good selection is no different than our decision to select Tunsil despite his flags. If the scouting is good, you pick him. Why are you arguing my point in this if you dont even know what my argument is?
D — it’s all cool man, and am trying to argue for exactly what you are….taking Foster. Couldn’t really care less about what he did, more interested in if he will drop to us. I get that you think he might have not been cheating. What else did I miss?
D, at the end of the day, Foster didn’t come out clean from the combine and raise his stock. He created the opposite but will probably still go early even if that means 2nd rd.
Tim, again, im not arguing the dropping, im arguing your point that it takes him out of contention for us to select him at 22. Im saying that it doesnt, im saying that if Gase and co see him as the right guy at the right price, then thats what it will be.
Hell im not even pushing for him to be selected at 22 lol, im just saying you guys are making too much out of this. The scouting on he or Peppers is what they follow when they make the decision. They made that super clear last year.
I never said he’s off our board, but not sure if he’s ranked as high as people are saying anyway. I’m always leery of smallish LBs being looked at as guys who will just blow through opponents at the next level. You have to see it first. So to me, guys like Foster and Davis are more 2nd rd picks but I understand they could go 1st. Not that it will end up being good value in 3-4 years.
D,
Really? Thanks for that info. So, if that’s the case, then why don’t we get reports of that undiluted test? If they just wait to get an undiluted sample, why tell us about the first diluted one? Which one “counts”? If a guy pees clean on the second, why are they still going with the first? If the second one was clean and undiluted, wouldn’t we be hearing agents shouting about them from rooftops? I don’t get it.
Tim,
In regards to Foster & medical issues, Rob Rang or Tony Pauline mentioned earlier this week that there were concerns about his shoulder, but on top of that there’s a concussion history. I think Foster only missed one game due to concussion, but it made it out like there’s a longer history w/ the issue.
Yeah, he’s not a clean blue chipper in my mind. 2nd rd his value goes way up.
Foster wasn’t even invited to the draft
That might be a bigger sign he’s there at #22 than whatever any of us think.
I’m more in line with D on the drug testing, but what if Peppers did drink too much water like he said? He most likely wasn’t doing it to hydrate, he was doing it to weigh a little more, since he’s on the light side. Either way he’s really trying to be deceptive.
Now back to being on D’s side, the diluted test doesn’t bother me too much, to not take either guy at 22.
stangerx says:
April 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm
D — it’s all cool man, and am trying to argue for exactly what you are….taking Foster. Couldn’t really care less about what he did, more interested in if he will drop to us. I get that you think he might have not been cheating. What else did I miss?
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Actually you are making exactly the same argument im making. Dilute sample doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of selecting him. I actually dont know what he did or didn’t do, i dont know if he was purging his system to get rid of drugs or if he wasnt. Im saying you cant make that judgment of dilute sample. If he popped positive for something, judge away, but dilute sample and having the chance it was from something else, thats not really fair to do.
Yeah, I also don’t give a damn if a guy smokes a little weed. As long as the team feels comfortable that the kid doesn’t have a serious issue, it doesn’t affect their draft value in my mind at all. I cringe a little at the stupidity of simply not smoking for a couple months before the combine just to be safe. But, how many 19- 22 year olds are all that logical and mature? Mine aren’t. Lol
You really don’t know though
You don;t know if its a mistake or a serious issue
That is my whole point in doing numerous tests instead of just one
Just like you don’t drink on the job, you don’t toke when doing football things. At the end of the long work day, you want to take a few tokes, kick back and relax letting your sore body heal, who cares? The whole anti-weed thing in America is absurd and hypocritical. But it is changing to a degree I never thought I’d see. The NFL isn’t there though.
I don’t care about that…..do care if the guys is not smart enough to not get caught for it at the combine when his whole future is stake. That’s about smarts and dedication.
I also really dont see a guilty person in that video interview. He answered the questions with ease and a guile that didnt seem to me to show and guilt. Him admitting having a 8 year old daughter was probably the biggest surprise i found in that who interview lol. I cant even Imagine having a child and you are barely in HS, that’s crazy.
D
How about if I phrase it this way. No one gives a fuck what you or I think about this, BUT, the NFL considers it a failed drug test. Isn’t THAT all that really matters?
Its clear enough how you feel about it yes and thank you for just letting that out like that.
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True, but now your question, no it isn’t all that matters. If no one drafts him it will be all the matters, but we know that isn’t happening.
I give a fuck what you guys think
but just 1
Randy says:
April 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm
D,
Really? Thanks for that info. So, if that’s the case, then why don’t we get reports of that undiluted test? If they just wait to get an undiluted sample, why tell us about the first diluted one? Which one “counts”? If a guy pees clean on the second, why are they still going with the first? If the second one was clean and undiluted, wouldn’t we be hearing agents shouting about them from rooftops? I don’t get it.
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They dont do that at the Combine, thats what im saying is they should. Thats what they do with the NFL tests and the MLB tests, like for players already playing, and yes they use the non dilute one because it will be accurate. The diluted one is saturated and doesn’t give anything conclusive, and yeah it can be used to “hide” something because cant tell is better than can tell conclusively. Your body doesnt purge out the drugs, its still in your body, the next no diluted test will test positive, this isnt a flushing technique, you cant do that day of, thats too late, so again, dilution, if intentional is just to make the test not be positive and they hope the next test will be done at a later date to where it will be out. MLB and NFL regular test do not let them leave until they get a non-dilute.
The Flying Pig says:
April 25, 2017 at 6:02 pm
Foster wasn’t even invited to the draft
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He wasnt invited to the draft because of the Combine incident, or at least that’s how its being reported.
that is what I heard too
They are really making him look like a head case IMO
Maybe he IS a head case, and he’s making himself look like that
I think he did that on his own. NFL was under the microscope w/ how they were handling Mixon and then this stupid situation fell on top of that….he fucked up. As an adult it’s his responsibility to be accountable for his own actions & the repercussions that come with those actions.
Steve
I never said no one will draft either or any of those prospects. Each team has to weigh the risk against the talent. Some teams are willing to do just that, and others will skip and take the safer player. It’s always been that way.
So then it isn’t all that matters, you agree with me 😛
The NFL is run by a bunch of hypocrits. The owners got where they are by lying and cheating and now they expect the players, the same guys they expect to sacrifice their bodies every Sunday, to be goody two shoes…
This whole thing about the NFL players should be role models to our kids is a bunch of BS. Maybe we should ask the players, if they actually want to be role models.
Piggy,
True, but you never truly know anything for certain with these kids. It’s all guesswork when it comes right down to it. If they did their homework and feel comfortable that the signs of a problem aren’t there, that’s really all you can do.
Its not easy
I can’t even pick a good pair of socks out sometimes
strike that
The NFL doesn’t have the right to put either one of these guys in the substance abuse program, until they sign their first contract or are drafted, but that’s another debate.
No they don’t. They can both decide not to play in the NFL if they want. Maybe they end up going Tebow.
Bingo
Steve
It matters that teams now have to make that decision knowing the player they draft is a risk to be suspended, which definitely makes a difference to some teams, especially ones that have been burnt by players like that before.
Like Tunsil? or the guy that didnt test positiove or have a diluted sample….Jordan.
Again Mike, look to the argument, i dont see a guilty guy, but thats not the argument, the argument is would we select him, you have said no, i said just as easily as we did Tunsil. These are opinions of course and as you eloquently said…no one gives a fuck about either of ours, so there we go for that one. I will say though, If you think im wrong then you think Gase is a liar because he said they trust their scouting. Tats why they took Tunsil when so many didn’t.
Second point was yopu sayng there are no legit reasons for a dilute sample. You are again in disagreement, though in this case you are wrong, as i stated before and really dont mind now stating again.
The last argument i can find is an opinion part, that the NFL shouldn’t count it as a failed test without capturing a non-dilute sample and confirming drugs. I really don’t feel it should because you haven’t proven guilt, just suspicion of guilt. Again, i know my opinion is not worth a fuck, but general laws and rules that govern our world dont really allow for shit like that to happen. There are times in history when people have had their lives ruind because of suspicion, so he wont be the first or last, but where is the fairness in any of it. You feel how you want, the NFL doesnt give a fuck about your opinion either, but i guess in this case that at least side with it
D – I didn’t say the Dolphins wouldn’t take either of these guys, I said I wouldn’t. Last I looked, I don’t make the picks, but man do I wish I did! 🙂
I saw earlier that 6 teams are rumored to have RB Joe Mixon off their board. Teams do this with various degrees of character flaws. You don’t want to come out of the combine and head into the draft with a lot of questions. It’s just reality.
Mixon will be a stud. Somebody will draft him and have a steal of a pick. His incident was over 2 years ago and has been pretty much a good citizen since
I know. It’s about public perception. We live in a very sensitive society. People do overcome their mistakes. There is a lot of hypocrisy in who gets a second chance and who doesn’t. Sad.
his is worse because its domestic violence. I dont mind the scrutiny he receives for it, but there are a lot of these guys who have done this and it been made to go away, or private, or the woman has been bought off. Dalvin Cook has a domestic violence history and he almost certainly will be a 1st rounder.
Thats true too, but again, who is the head case? We got a guy who was coveted by many team, he was clean on paper, he didnt test positive for drugs, nor have a dilute sample, and look what we wound up with. We have a guy, literally wearing a gas mask bong in a twitter post that shows up last minute before anyone has any chance to validate anything, we ake him and he has 0 issues during the season….one guy should not make you fear another, these are case by case guys and to some extent, its an unavoidable situation if its going to go down bad, because you really dont know.
D, I knew the issue the gas mask would cause, never looked at it as a character flaw. LOL
LOL @ Piggy’s sock.
D
I need to ask you an important question. Have you seen the information NFL players get regarding the drug test, and what guidelines they are supposed to follow, and what a diluted sample means?
I have not seen those documents, i just know what Joe Thomas, and the MLB guy, whom im not sure i remember who that was, was saying about the tests, and what happens when it comes back dilute and what happens following that. Diluted on the first test doesn’t get them a fail though.
I heard NFL guys talking about NFL drug tests too, but this is different, because it’s a one shot deal. I obviously have not seen the guidelines either, but I’m going to bet they are forewarned about diluting results, and what the ramifications are. So let’s just say hypothetically it’s true that they know if they dilute by excessively drinking too much water, they will fail. Do you believe any player would still do that?
I couldn’t help but notice there were HUGE plumes of smoke arising from Davie, Florida today. Either that, or we really did just leak to the world our plans on Draft day, LMAO.
I trust Armando more than any other beat reporter in all of Florida, but what he offered today was a SMOKESCREEN.
What did he say?
Check out the Herald, D. He wrote a couple of pieces today.
Piggy,
As if you’d ever cover up those damn sexy trotters. Lol
I think the word is delicious…..
M
Are you talking about the Barnett/Harris article?
Indeed! I can’t see why we’d be advertising what we’re going to do in advance, yet it happens every single year. And every single year, it ends up being a SMOKESCREEN.
Guys, it’s SMOKE SEASON… ESPECIALLY with a mere two days until the Draft!!!
It doesn’t really matter that there may be some intel that we’re high on this guy or that guy. We might only have 15 prospects with 1st rd grades. We either take the BPA when we’re up, if they’re all gone we try to trade down, if we can’t do that we take BPA on the board, you have no other choice. Unless we trade up. LOL
I don’t think there was anything major in that article. They like those 2, and if they aren’t available they’ll take a higher ranked position in round 1.
Again, i dont suggest Foster as our target, i really am hoping for Charlton, and actually id prefer Davis over Foster even at 22. I just dont like the BS around this dilute sample, and IMO guilt is the burden of the NFL to prove, and if there was no conclusive test, then you dont report it the week of the draft, you either reported it many weeks ago or you wait until after the draft. They can fix this easily just by doing a hair sample test….people bitch that oh well you can go too far back with those, then i say stay clean longer so it wont matter, still that test cant be diluted, or fuck draw blood if you need to. Find a better method before throwing out there these accusations that affect a guys life.
Would any of you like to know you just lost 8 million dollars because someone doesnt believe you that you slammed a lot of water because you were recovering form being sick and you wanted to get your weight back up so you didn’t get a “too light” evaluation. Im sorry, i know it could be bullshit, but that’s a lot of someones life being fucked with to not really know. Technically i could come up too dilute when my company does a random because i have to drink lots of water because the medicine i take makes you piss like crazy and if i don’t ill get severely dehydrated. I would like to know they would believe me if that happens.
Devils advocate….As a team what happens if you invest a 1st round pick and financial resources into him & he turns around and Butt Fucks the living daylights out of you like Dion Jordan?
As devils advocate to the devils advocate what happens when that happens even if everything showed up clean….
like Dion Jordan………….
That’s the fear for teams. A guy not ready to be a pro may never be. Doesn’t mean that’s how it goes down with a specific guy, but it’s a red flag.
Mike E. says:
April 25, 2017 at 6:52 pm
I heard NFL guys talking about NFL drug tests too, but this is different, because it’s a one shot deal. I obviously have not seen the guidelines either, but I’m going to bet they are forewarned about diluting results, and what the ramifications are. So let’s just say hypothetically it’s true that they know if they dilute by excessively drinking too much water, they will fail. Do you believe any player would still do that?
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I think they would take in the same amount of liquid they normally would, which as pro athletes they take in a lot and it could be dilute, which is exactly why the NFL and MLB make concessions for it by testing again. I get what you are saying Mike, but again, they have been busting ass, getting ready for the combine, taking in a lot more water naturally getting ready, and sick on top of that. Im sorry man i see potential that this could be legit, im not saying i dont see what you see, and it could be a bogus story, but are you certain enough to fuck up another mans life over your belief or would you rather have proof?
D, you have a good heart. You’re open to helping people and not condemning them with a black & white approach. Remember Mike walked with dinosaurs. LOL
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 7:06 pm
It doesn’t really matter that there may be some intel that we’re high on this guy or that guy. We might only have 15 prospects with 1st rd grades. We either take the BPA when we’re up, if they’re all gone we try to trade down, if we can’t do that we take BPA on the board, you have no other choice. Unless we trade up. LOL
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LOL, EXACTLY!!! That’s why it’s all a SMOKESCREEN!
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No, not all. I’m not surprised if we like those prospects.
dbolt48 says:
April 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm
I don’t think there was anything major in that article. They like those 2, and if they aren’t available they’ll take a higher ranked position in round 1.
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Even if Barnett or Harris are available @ R1P22, I do NOT BELIEVE we just advertised to the world that those are our targets. That’s just BAD POLICY to release such data. It’s a SMOKESCREEN!
Its Mando talking like he knows something, which he doesnt really.
I dont know if id file that under smokescreen as much as id fileit under “Duh Mando” lol. We obviosuly are looking at the better DE’s in the draft and those guys are considered a couple of the better DE’s prospects in the draft so its kinda a silly article he wrote, especially when he ended it with, a “but they could take another higher rated prospect from another position” lol, i mean yeah and they could work out a trade, and they could do a shit ton of other stuff too lol
Armando has really good sources within the team, but he also like drama. 😉
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 7:09 pm
D, you have a good heart…
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I second this, truly.
D, you and I have had some tension in the past, but it’s undeniable to me that your heart is GOOD… it takes one to know one! 😉
Your comments on Aaron Hernandez the other day were from a good place and from a good heart. I RESPECT that, man. I didn’t want to get involved in that conversation (very POLARIZING!), but I saw your good heart (among several other times in the past).
You’re a good man, D. I’m happy to have reconnected with ya, sir.
D says:
April 25, 2017 at 7:18 pm
Its Mando talking like he knows something, which he doesnt really.
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I’ve gotta disagree with ya here. I think Armando is often used as a ‘proxy’ for the Phins’ FO… and I think he enjoys that role as well.
In other words, I don’t think it’s Armando espousing his opinions here… he’s being fed lines to tell the world to form the SMOKESCREEN.
As far as the fest is concerned, I just wanted to clarify that saying I’m a possible attendee is probably optimistic at best. Even with the later date, October is the month of the ‘big’ board meeting where I work, one of my new responsibilities is making sure the financial statements are all ready for the meeting and this meeting typically is in the latter part of October. Kind of sucks being all responsible for things sometimes. Now if it turns out the meeting is the same weekend as the fest, that means that will all be over and I could make it and be ready to celebrate it being over! lol. I’ll have to check and see if they have finalized the date yet.
herd — possible means just that. Only firm deadline is when the tickets have to be paid for and that is months away. And no one would we all would rather have there. They made it real easy this year though. We are already well above the minimum needed. Heck — you could call up the week before and there would still be a ticket or two for you.
I’ll second that motion, Herd! Hope to see you there!
Tim Knight says:
April 25, 2017 at 7:27 pm
No, not all. I’m not surprised if we like those prospects.
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I’m not surprised either… I’m WITH ya. But that doesn’t mean we go yelping to the world that we’re going to draft them if they’re availed to us.
You only ‘ADVERTISE’ for one reason… and it’s very seldom the truth… especially in this game of poker.
Teams know who the good prospects are. Draft time gets funnier than accurate. 🙂
“Take Your Eye Off the Ball” like Pat Kirwan, and watch the sleight of hand while the other is going through the motions…
YOUNG STANGER: YES, I WILL BE AT THE FEST, assuming nothing changes with my job. My wife’s situation has taken a not so good turn. Her plantar fascitis has resisted all efforts by the doctors. Hoping for the best but, right now, she limps a lot and can only walk short distances.–She definitely will NOT be going to the only home game in September (Tampa Bay) because of the oppressive heat. DO YOU want to do the Tampa Bay Game??
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Greg Cote of the MH notes that Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria is almost universally disliked (despised?) in south Florida. He notes that there’s a palpable sense of relief, now that he’s close to selling the team, even though NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE if the Jeb Bush/Derek Jeter led group can run this franchise any better. However, even Loria won a World Championship in 2003. The Dolphins, conversely, haven’t gotten within sniffing distance of a title since winning their last playoff game after the 2000 season. The patience of south Florida sports fans has worn very thin over the last 17 seasons of Dolphins futility.
Sorry about your lucky lady’s problems….please wish her my best. Be glad to go to the Tampa game with you though. Wonder if we can find some guys to meet up with.
D
I think you’re being very liberal with your assessment of the diluted samples. Think of how many athletes go to the combine and are tested, and how many are probably in the same boat, trying to add weight and stay hydrated. If say 240 athletes are tested, you’d think there would be more like 10% would get these diluted results, and yet surprise surprise, it’s one guy who already has had issues including a most recent loss of his cool in one of the biggest arenas of his life. Maybe I’m just cynical, and that’s fine if you want to me call that in that case, but I don’t think Foster is innocent, and I don’t think Peppers is either.
50 for the Phins in the 2017 NFL Draft and UDFA. NOT ordered: no particular order.
253 picks in the ’17 Draft, and this list includes UDFAs (<– 100s more).
Offense
QB: C.J. Beathard (<– assist from Prof Lou), Brad Kaaya
RB: James Conner, T.J. Logan
WR: Bug Howard, Robert Tonyan Jr, Speedy Noil
TE: Jake Butt , O.J. Howard, David Njoku, Bucky Hodges, Keith Towbridge
O-Line: Cam Robinson, Dion Dawkins , Pat Elflein (<– assist from Old Dolfan), Nico Siragusa, Jordan Morgan, Jon Toth, Dan Feeney, Max Rich, Kofi Amichia
Defense
DE: Derek Barnett, Carl Lawson (<– beware his injury history), Jordan Willis, DeMarcus Walker, Daeshon Hall, Josh Carraway, Evan Schwan, Roderick Johnson
DT: Chris Wormley , Ryan Glasgow, Eddie Vanderdoes , Jeremiah Ledbetter
LB: Takkarist McKinley, Haason Reddick , Devonte Fields, Reuben Foster, Jarrad Davis, Blair Brown , Eric Wilson, Samson Ebukam, Lucas Wacha
DB: Desmond King , Kevin King, Fabian Moreau, Malik Hooker, Fish Smithson, Obi Melifonwu, Kai Nacua, Jacques Bryant
“Man crush” list in bold print above.
MIKE E; I do NOT think you’re cynical. I think you are reasonable. And I’m firmly of the opinion that the Dolphins already have decided they want NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER OF THOSE GUYS. Let the Raiders take a shot at these guys if they want to. I think MIAMI would rather invest their picks in guys who haven’t run afoul of drug tests nor allegedly beaten up a young woman.
I funked up with Roderick Johnson out of position… MY bad… FIXED below…
50 for the Phins in the 2017 NFL Draft and UDFA. NOT ordered: no particular order.
253 picks in the ’17 Draft, and this list includes UDFAs (<– 100s more).
Offense
QB: C.J. Beathard (<– assist from Prof Lou), Brad Kaaya
RB: James Conner, T.J. Logan
WR: Bug Howard, Robert Tonyan Jr, Speedy Noil
TE: Jake Butt , O.J. Howard, David Njoku, Bucky Hodges, Keith Towbridge
O-Line: Cam Robinson, Dion Dawkins , Pat Elflein (<– assist from Old Dolfan), Nico Siragusa, Jordan Morgan, Jon Toth, Dan Feeney, Max Rich, Kofi Amichia, Roderick Johnson
Defense
DE: Derek Barnett, Carl Lawson (<– beware his injury history), Jordan Willis, DeMarcus Walker, Daeshon Hall, Josh Carraway, Evan Schwan
DT: Chris Wormley , Ryan Glasgow, Eddie Vanderdoes , Jeremiah Ledbetter
LB: Takkarist McKinley, Haason Reddick , Devonte Fields, Reuben Foster, Jarrad Davis, Blair Brown , Eric Wilson, Samson Ebukam, Lucas Wacha
DB: Desmond King , Kevin King, Fabian Moreau, Malik Hooker, Fish Smithson, Obi Melifonwu, Kai Nacua, Jacques Bryant
You should add Cunningham, Riley, Walker and Elijah Lee to your LBs
Do you think Takk will okay OLB
He kind of has a DE feel to me
Sorry D….went to grab a few beers after my last post. Dion Jordan’s situation is exactly why teams would scrutinize the shit out of Foster’s test. myself….Dion Jordan was a uestionable prospect once he blew himself up with a shop vac.
Enlightening
Damn Zuckerturd, NSA, & Gubment….smh
ESPN’s on air mock had us taking Malik McDowell
Foster went 9 to the bengals
Lamp went before 22 too
So did Barnett
I didn’t see peppers go in the 1st though
I think Foster @ #9 is diluted thinking….IMO
People have been saying Foster to the bengals for months
I don’t think the bengals care about the drug tests
We will see
I really like McDowell as I’ve mentioned a time or two in my ever so brief stints here these days.
He’s versatile
So that’s an asset I getting him playing time early
Yes, and he could also be the beginning of moving on from Suh’s big number in a couple years as well. Lots to like now and later for the biggun!
Piggy I know what other people say, but the Bungles need OL help…besides, they might just go for the other Bama boy Allen.
Conley is gonna go undrafted like Lael Collins a couple of years ago
Not, absolutely not. Don’t you think, if we had the Collins situation to do over again we wouldn’t have used a 7th?
We Foster Peppers in Miami.
Take ’em both.
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Linebacker and linebacker lite
They will eat well playing behind Suh