As of today, May 4th, the NFL has completed 2/3 of it’s roster filling , with pre-draft free agency, and the NFL Draft. The next phase is post-draft free agency. There are still quite a few players who remain unsigned, and then of course, there will be cuts coming up as well, which will put more players into the free agency pool.
For the most part, the heavy lifting has been done, and any other roster adds most likely will not be major ones. The Dolphins did a great job in free agency and the draft to ensure they filled the roster holes that existed. There still may be some tweaking, but the big moves have been made.
On offense, this is what we’ve done.
QB – Ryan Tannehill, Matt Moore, Brandon Doughty and David Fales
Dolphins signed former Bears QB David Fales in FA
RB – Jay Ajayi, Kenyan Drake, Storm Johnson
At the moment, RB Damien Williams has still not signed his RFA tender of $1.8M. Williams has no option to play for anyone else but the Dolphins in the NFL, so he either signs his tender, or sits out the year.
WR – Jarvis Landry, Kenny Stills, Devante Parker, Leonte Carroo, Jakeem Grant, Rashawn Scott and Isaiah Ford
The Dolphins re-signed Kenny Stills in FA and drafted Ford in the 7th RD.
TE – Julius Thomas, Anthony Fasano, MarQueis Gray and Thomas Duarte
The Dolphins traded for Julius Thomas with the Jaguars and signed Anthony Fasano in FA.
OL – Laremy Tunsil, Isaac Asiata, Mike Pouncey, Jermon Bushrod, Ja’Wuan James, Terry Poole, Sam Young, Ted Larsen, Anthony Steen and Kraig Urbik
The Dolphins drafted Isaac Asiata, signed Ted Larsen in FA
This is what we’ve done on defense
DE – Cam Wake, Andre Branch, William Hayes, Charles Harris, Terrence Fede, Julius Warmsley, Nicholas Williams and Arthur Miley
Miami drafted Charles Harris, traded for William Hayes with the Rams, and picked up Williams and Miley in FA
DT – Ndamukong Suh, Jordan Phillips, Davon Godcheaux, Vincent Taylor and Lawrence Okoye
Miami drafted both Godcheaux and Taylor, and signed Okoye as a FA
LB – Kiko Alonso, Lawrence Timmons, Koa Misi, Raekwon McMillan, Neville Hewitt, Mike Hull, Deon Lacey and Lamin Barrow
Miami drafted Raekwon McMillan, signed Lacey and Barrow as FA’s. They call him Lamin Barrow, quite right!
CB – Byron Maxwell, Xavien Howard, Tony Lippett, Bobby McCain, Cordrea Tankersley, Lafayette Pitts and Jordan Lucas
Miami drafted Cordrea Tankersley
S – Reshad Jones, Nate Allen, Walt Aikens, Michael Thomas, A.J. Hendy
ST – K Andrew Franks, P Matt Darr
KR/PR Jarvis Landry, Jakeem Grant and Kenyan Drake
The Dolphins signed the following Undrafted Free Agents:
- Cameron Malveaux, DE, Houston
- Drew Morgan, WR, Arkansas
- Malcom Lewis, WR, Miami
- De’Veon Smith, RB, Michigan
- Torry McTyer, DB, UNLV
- Praise Martin-Oguike, DE, Temple
- Larry Hope, CB, Akron
- Eric Smith, OL, Virginia
- Damore’ea Stringfellow, WR, Mississippi
- Maurice Smith, DB, Georgia
- Chase Allen, LB, Souther Illinois
- Joby Saint Fleur, DE, Oklahoma State
- Francis Owusu, WR, Stanford
- Matt Haack, P, Arizona State
I would have to say the Dolphins exceeded my expectations so far. To me, the biggest questions are on the O-line. Obviously the biggest question is to whether C Mike Pouncey will be healthy enough to play, to play well, and for how long. He’s the cog that gets everything rolling. If he’s healthy, it will be a huge boost for the team. If not, either Anthony Steen, Kraig Urbik or Ted Larsen will have to step up. The next question is who starts at LG and RG. Gase said his preference was Jermon Bushrod at RG, but nothing is in stone yet. Will it be FA pickup Ted Larsen or newly drafted Isaac Asiata at LG? Most of us feel Asiata will take it, but you can’t discount experience, so Larsen, Urbik or Steen are still in the running
Getting LB Lawrence Timmons in FA was a huge pickup. He’s as solid as can be, and he plays every game. He tackles, and he can still run pretty well at 31. Drafting Raekwon McMillan was a necessity. I know Gase likes Misi, and it’s definitely possible that Misi is an opening day starter, but how long can Misi stay healthy? In his 7 year career, Misi has only once played 16 games. Contrast that with Timmons, who played 16 games in 9 of his 10 seasons, missing only 2 games in 2009. McMillan may not start from game 1, but if he plays up to his potential, he’ll be in there at some point.
While Reshad Jones will be back, I’m not thrilled with Nate Allen. The former 2010 2nd RD pick has languished in OAK for 2 seasons. Coming off an injury, he wasn’t the same player. I think the fact we doubled down with T.J. MCDonald was telling. Even though T.J. won’t be available until week 8, to me, that wasn’t a big vote of confidence for Nate Allen.
At CB, we have pretty solid depth. For some reason, Maxwell gets little love here due to a slow start, but he’s a solid player. Howard fought injuries, but he flashed some good and bad, as expected in his rookie season. I’m excited to see what he can do with a full year of workouts and training camp and pre season. Lippett also showed lots of promise last year. Good ole Bobby McCain struggled some, so that could potentially open the door for Tankersley. Not necessarily a slot CB, he might get a shot there, or maybe Howard or Maxwell would move inside while Tankersley stays outside.
On the D-line, we resigned Andre Branch, and traded for a run stopping DE in William Hayes. Drafting Charles Harris who already has a wicked spin move was a great addition and should give our pass rush some sizzle. We drafted a couple of DT’s, both have potential as rotational guys, but neither of them are anywhere near ready to start. Jordan Phillips hopefully will realize his potential this year, and form and unstoppable duo of DT’s with he and Suh.
The offense was pretty set IMO before the draft, save for the O-line. This has potential to be a power run offense, but one that could open it up with the passing game with Landry, Stills, Parker and TE Julius Thomas. Who knows, maybe Carrooooooo even shows up this season.
ST’s should be once again pretty good with pro bowler P Matt Darr returning, and Andrew Franks was OK. Landry, Drake and Grant give some fireworks to the return game so looking good there.
All in all, we have a lot to be optimistic about, I don’t believe this team has a glaring weakness, perhaps just a soft spot if everything doesn’t come together for the O-line.
GO DOLPHINS, ZERO IN!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Adam Gase is a pretty easy read, unless he really doesnt want to because he shuts it down and maintains the demanor that he always has regardless of if he is dancing around a problem. Still i think his interview says a lot. First, i think he DEFINATELY was pulling for Howard to fall. He seemed to indicate to me that he has a first round target that he wanted to add on offense but that it didnt happen and he felt like we did the right move by going with the guy we felt best with that was there. He also really enforced the “i dont care about the defense” mentality lol. Every question about the way the rookie would or would not be used on defense seemed like he was a tongue slip away from saying “why dont you talk to Burke about that” but he instead did come back to answer with regards to how he feels abotu rookies.
That said i loved the sentiment, that we cant say things about using the rookies until we have seen them, and that we cant say they will or wont play because this is a system where how you play, and how you prepare earns you the spot, its not given to anyone, high draft pick rookie or 10 year vet. I also really liked the part when asked about something stupid, cant remember exactly what it was, but he was like…thats not how we think about things, which to me is exactly why i hate some of the reporters, they are over digging in the trash can for something to talk about, and not getting to the real stuff, because thats not how football people think, its how whiny little pencil nerds that write about football think.
He also mentioned that we lost out on some of the players we liked because teams picked them right before us, and i could easily see Jarrad Davis, and Tabor as being a couple of guys they are talking about there, and considering that we traded up to get Asiata not too long after missing out on those two, i think there had to be something to that. I think he is slightly disappointed too to not have gotten more picks on offense, but not in the way that he feels we went the wrong direction, just that that’s how the board fell, we did the right thing taking whom we did but he would have liked some players to fall to us that didnt. He is always a pretty good interview because he is shapr and direct and very genuine himself, i can see how in sync the FO is with him, they got his kinda people, no matter what side of the ball they were on, they needed to match his standards for football players period.
LOL @ its how whiny little pencil nerds that write about football think.
I meant no offense to the whiny little pencil nerds of this board…you are all MY whiny little pencil nerds
Phindog says:
May 5, 2017 at 12:48 pm
She looks mad.. The photographer must have farted just before he snapped the picture.
No, I think she just has BRF
Hey.. That’s that girl Aniita Cawk !!
Yeah Mila Vanytrub or something like that… i find her incredibly attractive.
The first girl is Aubrey Plaza who is the new “odd looking” hot girl who is in a lot of comedy type movies. She is the new Emma Stone
D
Say “Anita Cawk” in a public crowded space and see what kind of response you get….:D
I think you missed Phindog’s joke
Nope i didnt miss it lol, i just added on to it without acknowledging it for what it was lol.
Everyone knows its RBF…man their way of saying it just sounds so wrong!
We’re 40-1 to win SB52, and 20-1 for the conference. TB by comparison is 30-1 and 18-1. My guess is, because of the cheats.
they ruin everything
Its absolutely because of the Pats. As i was saying to Mikey about designing your team to play the Pats, and he was saying you cant do that, i said you have to at least to some extent, because path to the Superbowl goes through them. Any evaluation of us making it to the Superbowl comes down to can they beat the Patriots and most don’t feel we can, hell most dont feel most other teams can either.
TB by comparison is in the AFC south, with a team to me that got weaker this off season in the Panthers, a team thats pretty much rebuilding, and a team that, yes had a almost unstoppable offense in the Falcons, but again who stopped the Falcons….back to the Patriots argument. TB also has a really solid defense and they look to have really added to their offense so they should be a tough out for even the Falcons.
Vanytrub is hot
but I find Aubrey Plaza super annoying BTW
maybe I am just getting old
I do like the role she played in Legion though
She is one of those girls im sure a lot of us here have run across, attractive, insanely crazy, exotic looking, and very tempting, but also carries that look that makes most guys just walk away which is, im a terror to deal with. Im not really attracted to her either, i mean i see why someone would be but she just doenst do it for me because ive been there and done that
Aubrey Plaza i mean.
I envision her in real life much like she was in Mike and Dave needs dates.
Barry JacksonVerified account @flasportsbuzz · 17m17 minutes ago
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Dolphins sign Tankersley, Taylor and Ford. Signed McMillan and Asiata earlier. So 5 of 7 picks signed.
Nice, welcome aboard fellas
I guess that leaves Harris and Godeux
Hey Rock sorry I guess you just have asshole resting face. That explains a lot. Lol jbb
Dolphins have signed all but Charles Harris and Davon Godcheaux
Draft Analyst @DraftAnalyst1 · 1h1 hour ago
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#Dolphins G Isaac Asiata is still expected to start, despite his fall in the draft due to knee issues: http://draftanalyst.com/2017-nfl-draft-end-notes …
Sorry M, should have refreshed the page. 🙂
All good, buddy!
Suh has help. Everything is different now.
I would say early the indication is that Asiata might be just the bolt of lightning our line could use. Understanding that everything is predicated on his ability to play at a high enough level.
It sure as hell seems that Asiata has the right blend of football intelligence and warrior mentality. So long as his knee holds up, his arrow is shooting sky high in my eyes.
Thats what were hoping, you want the mauler to make it rather than the over acheiver already at his ceiling.
Mauler ahh that sounds so nice
His face paint alone gets me fired up
I’m at one of the strip casinos, I go take a leak, and inside the urinal is a piss mat that says Brady on it, so my day is now productive. I just pissed on Brady🤣
Oh you mean on the strip
does anyone know who the guy in the pic is 10 rows down far right, the guy with dark hair glasses and a gray gotee??
https://www.google.com/search?q=current+player+photos+1972+miami+dolphins&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR7bPtudnTAhXJrFQKHS0PBOUQsAQILQ&biw=1024&bih=676
62 is Langer
What’s up with Asiata’s knees?
They’re under his hips
That sounds normal
its when they are attached to the ears when I get really concerned
son if you go to the far right pic and scroll down 10 pics, shula is holding up the 72 jersey, who is standing to his left with dark hair glasses and go-tee, looking at it that would be the person on the far right?
I’m watching the Raekwon McMillan video. He definitely doesn’t look “mad” that he wasn’t the first LB drafted. It seems forced to say that, but who really cares. He doesn’t need that as motivation, he’ll have enough motivation to try and get snaps.
ORob – Probably some white house staff guy
he is suppose to be part of the team as a friend of mine’s GF is taking a real estate course with him and he said he was on the team and has the undefeated ring, he sent me this pic and ask me who it was?
Omar KellyVerified account @OmarKelly 2:55 PM – 29 Apr 2017
My sources tell me that Isaac Asiata would have been drafted earlier, much earlier, if it wasn’t for a knee injury.Starter in 5th if healthy
I believe Omar’s source is Tony Pauline.
His (wink) knee injury
Interesting notes on Asiata here…
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/134974/isaac-asiata
I haven’t run the gamut on Asiata, but I can’t find ANYTHING about a known knee injury at first or second glance in trying to research as much.
My best guess is that he fell to the 5th Round as a 25-year old rookie (Mormon mission).
I kinda assumed he fell based on being old (piggy coughs) too
Good one, pigmar
It’s because someone is just speculating to get clicks. Oh since everyone seems to like the pick how about we stir the pot so seems like it may be a bad pick. I hate the dolphins reporters. I’ve never seen a group more concerned with making their local team look bad
Lol I bet they found Matt Asiata knee injury stuff and didn’t realize that’s a different person. That’s the only thing I get back when I search for Asiata and knee
Same here, D. I increasingly get the sense that Omar doesn’t like Samoan players… can’t prove it, but I sense as much.
Mikey did you see who CBS had compared Asiata to? Gabe Jackson
Did you see when I compared him to Manumana from Necessary Roughness?
Yeah Asiata is ancient. Do you guys remember being young? I was in the best shape of my life at 32-34. Not that I played high level football but 25 is not old. He could have a 7-10 year career. We’re also seeing players play longer than they ever did. That will always change as we evolve. People live longer now.
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Dolphins signed the undrafted free agent former Michigan running back De’Veon Smith. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0652267198944911285-4 …
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Adam Gase on Ja’Wuan James: “I don’t think we’re even close to where his ceiling is.”
Team picked up 5th-year option earlier this week.
Oh and for all you folks with a bridge in your avie?
GO ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/860173663018131457
Patience with young players. Fans always want the team to land them then get tired if they’re not all that in 2 years at 22-25 years old. LOL
D
I was thinking size and power wise, he was similar to Gabe Jackson. Couldn’t say by his style of play, but I thought it was unusual that they liked him so much, but never even looked in Gabe Jackson’s direction. That was the silver fox though, right?
Build you’re 53 man based on who we have and you will see where some tough cuts are coming from. But year 2-3 of a new HC and regime.
Tim,
I have always agreed that fans expect too much from young players. We’ve talked about that many times. The issue is that the NFL is getting to be more and more of a younger man’s game. Teams just don’t have the ability to keep lots of their own guys for a long time. If you actually end up with 3 or 4 young guys who become really good, you probably aren’t going to be able to keep them all anyway. I think the average career length is under 3 years now too. Teams almost have to get immediate return out most of their players. They can’t afford to wait 3 years for every guy to contribute. Top draft choice rookies need to get on the field right away. I think it really has changed. What do you think?
I think more than our top 3 picks will play this year. Starting is overrated. Contribute when called upon. Deepen the team with more talent than you had the previous year.
That’s what I’ve been saying, but Asiata is different, it would be in our best interest, if he started.
I hate when people throw stats around like that, the average career is only 3 years long, well who are you including, starters, all 90…?
Tim Knight says:
May 5, 2017 at 9:50 pm (Edit)
Yeah Asiata is ancient. Do you guys remember being young? I was in the best shape of my life at 32-34. Not that I played high level football but 25 is not old. He could have a 7-10 year career. We’re also seeing players play longer than they ever did. That will always change as we evolve. People live longer now.
****
I would die to be 25 again
Everything hurts after I work out these days
I guess the idea is retirement is around the corner for a 25 year old in the NFL
Which is cuckoo
But everyone celebrates McMillan being only 20
So it kind of goes hand in hand
McMillan will be #52
mf13ss says:
May 5, 2017 at 8:05 pm
Omar KellyVerified account @OmarKelly 2:55 PM – 29 Apr 2017
My sources tell me that Isaac Asiata would have been drafted earlier, much earlier, if it wasn’t for a knee injury.Starter in 5th if healthy
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mf13ss says:
May 5, 2017 at 8:08 pm
I believe Omar’s source is Tony Pauline.
Reply
M,
You are correct, the source was Tony Pauline’s Twitter account😆
#sources
I think from this draft we probably have 2 day 1 starters in McMillan and Asiata. I think Harris will be a high snap player who eventually gets into the starting lineup. I also believe both DTs will end up being rotational players. I don’t have a feel for what they’ll do w/ Tank….I’m hoping they at least give him some slot work to see if he can carry coverage across the field. If so he could replace McCain.
In some ways playing slot is a lot more difficult than playing on the outside. A lot more room to defend, and years ago, the slot used to be teams 3rd best receiver, while today, it might be their best.
Yep. Like I said, if he can manage that horizontal coverage then he has a chance. He has more speed than McCain to keep up across the field.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/860826490090422272
Pan down! Pan down!
Agree with your cheeky comment, Mike. I’ve always believed the Dolphins have the best looking cheerleaders in the NFL!
PIGGY: I understand & agree with you that everything hurts after a workout (depending on the exact nature of the workout). But, in my case, my oldest daughter is the one doing the complaining which, of course, MAKES ME FEEL EVEN OLDER!! But a mile walk with my 3 dogs usually leaves me feeling better, so there’s that to consider.
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TODAY is Kentucky Derby Day. I’m going with the winner of the Florida Derby, “Always Dreaming.”
Tim Knight says:
May 5, 2017 at 9:50 pm
Yeah Asiata is ancient. Do you guys remember being young? I was in the best shape of my life at 32-34. Not that I played high level football but 25 is not old. He could have a 7-10 year career. We’re also seeing players play longer than they ever did. That will always change as we evolve. People live longer now.
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By football standards, a 25-year old rookie is older than the norm. You’ll recall that much was made of John Beck (Mormon mission) being roughly the same age when we drafted him a decade ago. You’ll also recall all the talk about Brandon Weeden being “old” for a rookie.
It doesn’t bother me one bit, but it does others. To me, we’re getting a much more mature individual than a wide-eyed kid. To others, we drafted a guy who wasted 3-4 years of his football career. It’s all in the eye of the beholder.
dbolt48 says:
May 6, 2017 at 7:01 am
M,
You are correct, the source was Tony Pauline’s Twitter account 😆
#sources
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FIGURES!!!
Excellent work as Usghe Mike E. i read some real good things about Ford, Grant and Caroo best bring their A Game to TC… off to Softball Practice… 🐬🐬🐬👍👍👍👍
Thanks Toba!
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Dolphins DC Matt Burke said the run defense “can’t get much worse” and is optimistic it will get better this… http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0652529049645619787-4 …
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Rizzi: “My confidence in Andrew at this point is high now based on how he finished the season.”
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Darren Rizzi says two of the undrafted signees blocked four kicks in college. Draftee Vincent Taylor blocked five.
M
I just read a very disappointing review of the upcoming movie adaptation of The Dark Tower. Mostly, it’s disappointing because it’s nearly nothing like the books in the series, and they leave out major characters (Detta and Susannah, and Oy the billy-bumbler)
Man don’t tell me shit like that!
I told my wife I would actually go to the movie theater for that one! 😦
Sorry Wyo, I’m just so bummed. I’ve been waiting for this movie to be made forever. I think I read the first book in the early 90’s, maybe even late 80’s. Crazy!
We’ll see, Mike E. Many reviews are most inaccurate. Maintaining hope that the movie rocks!
I should say, many reviews are sour on movies that are actually very good!
Generally if ti gets a bad review from the ” critics ” I know I will like it!
M
Not the case here, decide for yourself . . .
https://www.wired.com/2017/05/dark-tower-trailer/
I’ve never read the books, thus I don’t have any frame of reference, man.
WHAT???????????
It was one of my top 3 from King!
It
the stand
The Dark Tower series
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/860900577622077442
wyoming85 says:
May 6, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Generally if ti gets a bad review from the ” critics ” I know I will like it!
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AGREED!!!
Wyo
I absolutely loved the Dark Tower Series. It’s not that the movie won’t be a good movie, but if it has little or nothing to do with the story, it’s a farce as far as I’m concerned.
M
I’m sorry, I thought you had read them. You’ll probably enjoy the movie a lot more than I will in that case.
Don’t be sorry! All good! But no, I’ve never read the Dark Tower series of books… though I feel I should what with so many good things stated about as much.
I’d recommend it very highly. The first book takes a while to get cranking, but the series is epic
MikeE,
They completely butchered the Fire and Ice…Game of Thrones books, and that hbo series is still really fun to watch. There’s hope!
Mike E. says:
May 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm
I’d recommend it very highly. The first book takes a while to get cranking, but the series is epic
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Cool! I might do that.
I don’t generally read for ‘pleasure’, as they say… but more for fact (scientific and historic in nature).
Omar asks Matt Burke does he think it’s a good idea to have Alonso, Timmons and McMillan as all ILB types and Burke says what do you mean ILB types? LOL
Omar gets things in his head and portrays it as fact when Burke who is a vet LBs coach and now DC doesn’t look at it that way at all. That’s why I don’t go to sports reporters for details on the game or team, just info. on what’s going on. They don’t really know enough about the game.
https://miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article149048739.html
“The Jaguars had no clue how to handle Thomas the past two years. Their use of him often included taking him off the field when the Jaguars were in the red zone.”
Now that’s some brilliant stuff. Let’s take a red zone nightmare off the field in those situations. LOL
Lol to follow up this post with the previous one, just proves what an idiot Omar is.
The press conference videos with Christensen, Burke and Rizzi are all on the official site if you want to hear it straight from them.
What would we hear?
The uncut versions.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/860934054933401600
You’re all hired.
Screen plays are always different that the books. Jaws was very different as well.
I tried getting into the Dark Tower series, but couldn’t get past the 1st book.
LMFAO @ “Pan down! Pan Down!”
UP THE PAGE I DID pick “Always Dreaming” at my 10:48 post. Can’t remember doing that in the last 10 years!
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/860952510676303873
Randy
Yes and no on GOT. They stayed almost completely true to the books for the 1st season with very insignificant things being changed. As the show moved on, they took more and more artistic license on which characters to change, or leave out entirely, but on the whole, most of the characters were pretty much as they were in the books, and they did include the greater majority. In a series with a “cast of thousands”, I think they did an excellent job with it.
As for The Dark Tower, they were only about 5 or 6 major characters, and they have chosen to leave out a couple. Hopefully, like you said, it doesn’t hurt the movie, but man, I love Detta, she was mean and badass! Oh, and not racist in the least, Roland is a white dude. I always pictured a Clint Eastwood-ish looking person playing Roland, and it’s not just me, all the artwork from the series shows him white as well. I do like Idris Elba though, and I’m sure he’ll do great.
Don’t count out Jakeem the Dream just yet . . .
https://www.profootballfocus.com/miami-return-man-jakeem-grant-asked-to-learn-outside-wr/
If we had taken Peppers he was in trouble. He should be fine but he better stop dropping kicks.
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
Jakeem Grant flew Matt Darr to Texas to work on his punt returns.
oh that’s cool
2nd year players shouldn’t be counted out so fast but that seems to be the new fad. 😉
Welcome to 2017. Enjoy your trip from the 70’s? Lol
That was an interesting comment. LOL
Well when you consider that the difference between rookie contract and vet contracts – it’s puts a lot of pressure on guys to perform early
I’m sifting through some stats and just realized something. In 31 games played (15 starts), Jordan Phillips has only 27 tackles. For reference…
Jordan Phillips: 31-27 (-4)
Paul Soliai: 138-158 (+20)
Dontari Poe: 78-156 (+68)
Earl Mitchell: 100-128 (+28)
Tony McDaniel: 141-161 (+20)
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And now, his contemporaries (DTs drafted in the first 2 rounds of the ’15 Draft who play DT in the NFL)…
Danny Shelton: 32-51 (+19)
Malcom Brown: 32-55 (+23)
Mario Edwards: 16-34 (+18)
Eddie Goldman: 21-28 (+7)
I could break this down by snaps vs tackles, but that may make Phillips look even worse. One tackle per game played isn’t too much to ask, especially for a rookie drafted in the 2nd Round.
I’m not trying to vilify Phillips here, but dammit he’s got to get it together. He can do a backflip at 334 pounds… but he can’t even manage a tackle per game? I’m talking about a guy who has ALL-PRO potential if he applies himself.
And for the record, I DO realize that we’ve all but put Phillips on notice as he enters year 3. Let it be known that we’re not asking him to play NT, where it generally takes 3 to 4 years to master as much (see Paul Soliai)… he’s a 4-3 DT in Miami where Suh is generally double-teamed.
*in my Vader voice* C’mon, Jordan… your 5.05 (low) 40-speed is MOST impressive for a man your size. Don’t make Suh DESTROY you for your lack of effort. If you only knew the POWER of your potential. I am your watcher.
Piggy, I don’t really see how a 2nd year 6th rd pick’s salary plays into anything?
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/861222618342596608
Piggy,
It’s okay. Young guys like you and me understand today’s NFL. The geezers still are stuck in the past when it comes to building teams.
What about us geezers who are not stuck in the past? Where do we fit?
FEST IS AGAINST THE YETS
Game is Sun, Oct 22 at one. So make your travel plans……earlier you book flights typically the cheaper. Will get together the night before and Chef Warren tailgate.
Looks like seats will be about $80 each, but the way they do it and as early as we are in might be better this year (one price across the sideline nosebleeds).
Seat Draft Day is May 11…….and we will be in.
ALREADY IN
Pig
PhinDog (+2 or +3)
Mike E (+1)
Son (+1…..and # will grow)
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P-Dog, Son, Brian — need to know about your plus numbers by Wednesday in order to reserve the right number for the group section.
Btw Mikey I didn’t say it earlier as I had intended, but this was one of my favorite articles you have submitted. Great work and thank you for all you do for this place.
Tim Knight says:
May 7, 2017 at 1:40 pm (Edit)
Piggy, I don’t really see how a 2nd year 6th rd pick’s salary plays into anything?
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Tim
The point is guys have pressure to prove themselves in the NFL faster
If a guy is on a 4 year contract and begins to contribute meaningful production in year 4 – what does the FO do when his contract expires?
You can pay him big $
Or maybe by then you have already drafted his replacement bc the rookie contract is relatively inexpensive
I think a team is more likely to resign a player than has produced for a few years
So the team who drafts a player probably wants to see results sooner that the way it used to be before the CBA
Generally I would say
The CBA keeps rosters younger
And there is a trickle down effect that affects young players who need to prove themselves
On the other hand, I think the good teams do develop players
Giving up aon a player after their rookie year is kind of ridiculous
But a player like Grant (5th rounder as I recall)
Probably is in make or break mode in 2017
Oh okay and I agree. But just because a rookie was limited doesn’t put them on notice. That kind of stuff gets said a lot. The same with Carroo. You also have to look at who is ahead of them. I think we all knew Grant would be a project year one as a (6th rd) pick. He was also learning how to return punts in the NFL, didn’t do it in college, he returned kicks.
Its aiight Tim, I have no idea what he’s trying to say either😉
M13, I think you have to consider the amout of rotation Jordan does. Now you can consider that his fault because it’s his conditioning that’s keeping him out, but when the number if snaps per game is so low his chance for tackles also is too low. You also have to consider his snaps may have been majority pass rushing downs, since they used other DTs like Mitchell for the rushing downs. I think it’s just more of a reflection of the thing we all know and the coaching staff has been very forthcoming talking about. He just hasn’t had the conditioning to be effective as much as we need him to be. Judge him by this year’s numbers as those should reflect a guy who is the primary DT and not a situational rotation type guy.
We all know he’s got the talent, and hasn’t lived up to a 2nd rounder, we don’t need to see stats to prove it. I don’t think it’s a make or break year, but…
I guess a better representation of his production would be tackles, sacks, pressures, etc per snap not per game
Phillips has 7 PD, 2 of which were tipped into INTs and he also has a pick. He has a lot of upside. Let’s see where he is this year.
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/03/23/time-for-miami-dolphins-jordan-phillips-to-show-us-something-new/
I’m with ya on that, that’s what I was saying to M13 above
I was having this same convo with him on the other site. 🙂
I think you bail on 1st year players, in one of two scenarios. 1 they really aren’t your type players and maybe you just made a mistake drafting them and it’s better to just move on because you are sure they aren’t salvageable. We don’t have any of those.
The second scenario we might have, where that guy just doesn’t help our team more than someone else we brought in. It’s possible a few of our guys fit that. Some of them can remain on PS like duarte, and Doughty, others like Grant probably can’t because they were on the active roster too many times. I’m not sure about Caroo, I know he was active a bit, but I’m not sure exactly how many games.
I’m not sure how they feel about Caroo but I think he has a better than average chance to get another year to show up. Grant and Duarte I think are on a very different prediction imo. I can’t say I think either of them have a better than average chance to stick but I kinda root for both of them to step it up and keep their spots.
Some of our previous UDFAs like Hewitt and Hull, etc are at points where we might think about moving on as well. They are up for contract next year and even though they can be RFA tendered, signing or keeping and UDFA from this group if they really like them and having 3 years at a significantly lower pay might be enough to make a business decision. That said I’d say Hewitt is pretty safe, but Hull might not be.
Fede is also coming up for his first extension so if they got a guy to replace him, even with us somewhat shallow in DE depth might make us move on from him as well. These would be business decisions and though I hope they don’t happen, I think it’s a possibility.
Thomas, Aikens, McCain, all also on the list, just with a little more established production to help justify keeping them unless they have just found a baller to make their spot expendable.
There’s going to be a lot more competition between young players, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and rooks than we’ve had in a long time. That’s a good thing. The team this year will be more of Gase’s team than last year when he was still learning what he had.
How about those Mets….oh wait…they got their asses kicked….
They have fallen apart literally. As a fan I just don’t see this team ever putting it all together because nobody can stay healthy. I’ve never seen anything like it.
They have more guys hurt this year than I’ve ever seen, and I thought last year they had a lot. The list is astounding. You can barely count David Wright, but Steven Matz, Seth Lugo, Noah Syndergaard, Yoenis Cespedes, Lucas Duda, Asdrubal Cabrera, Travis d’Arnaud, Brandon Nimmo, Juan Lagares (just got back), and we’re only in May! It would be something if they can somehow make a playoff run with all those injuries.
It’s unbelievable. Than you have to account for guys go through slumps but when half your starting lineup is out along with 3 starting pitchers, it’s basically impossible to play competitive ball.
Nimmo played on Friday for the 51s, I didn’t know he was in the show.
D – Thanks man, appreciate the compliment.
The Mets are a power pitching/power hitting team. Take a lot of that away and they’re not a good team. They’re not a high on base pct. manufacture runs, speed type of team.
Tim
Basically 1, 3, 5 in our rotation are out. It’s crazy! Add in your top slugger (Cespedes). Imagine if we traded Jay Bruce . . . He’s our biggest run producer.
Mike, it really sucks that Harvey has totally lost the Dark Night persona and his act is getting old. Do you know the details on why he was suspended by the team?
LOL, Knight.
He put a sex toy in someone’s locker.
This dude is only 20 years old. Looks like a good LB to me. 🙂
I don’t particularly care about baseball (girlyman game), but I like seeing the Marlins thump the Mets, just because.
I find baseball hard to watch when they suck. LOL
Seriously, the game is tedious unless you’re watching great pitching or hitting. I can enjoy well played football much more. I like we’re the Dolphins are headed much more than the Mets and I think the 7.5 line is ghey. LOL
I find it interesting that when the pundits talk about Tankersley, that always couch it in terms of him having to beat it Howard. They all totally discount Lippet.
Maxwell, Howard, Lippett and Tankersley is going to be fun to watch. All big corners with ball skills. McCain will have to fend off Lucas and Pitts. I think we’ll keep 10 DBs – 6 CB and 4 S. Then when McDonald is active it could change.
Tim
Yes, he wasn’t present at the game last night, he claimed he had a headache. Team suspended him 3 games for misconduct, or something along those lines. Harvey claims it was a miscommunication. Either way, I don’t like him pulling shit like this, his value just keeps lessening. I can almost see us cutting ties with him at some point, because there’s no shot we’re ever going to pay him unless he shows this team he’s worth it.
He’s not pitching his way into that contract. He’s an average guy right now.
SPEAKING OF PITCHING, except for a rare occurrence (like yesterday’s 1-hitter), the Marlins DON’T HAVE VERY MUCH OF IT. But help is on the way, in the form of NEW OWNERSHIP!!–Today’s paper says the Bush/Jeter group has successfully raised the 1.3 Billion bucks to buy the fish and the details currently are being worked on. New owners could be in place before the All-Star game, slated for Marlins’ Park. BOY, I haven’t felt this good since IRELAND was fired!!!
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Yesterday was the final episode of ESPN’s “The Sports Reporters.” For civil, thoughtful, sports commentary, SR ruled the roost for 29 years. But, alas, it fell victim to the economic collapse at Bristol brought on by paying WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for the broadcast rights to the NBA, MLB, etc., etc. PLUS, poor programming selection drove away OVER 12 MILLION VIEWERS the last few years!. SR will be replaced by a program that will feature a large dose of ICYMI, a group of highlights that can be run from previous days events. It is EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SPORTS DRIVEL (turning from thoughtful reporting to “lowlights”) that has caused viewership to collapse at the Mother Ship!! The assholes at Disney Corp. just don’t get it! Us old guys who watch sports on TV actually want intelligent talk on TV, NOT another episode of Donald Duck!!
Cespedes
Cant believe I stayed up watching the Cubs/Yanks go 18 innings only to see my Cubbies lose. Both teams set a MLB record for most combined K’s in a game. Dammit! Someone has to lose, for now. Heard there is talk of games only going to 12 innings, if still tied, the game will end in a tie. Anyone heard that?
Part of the beauty of baseball far as I am concerned. Remember one time leaving a game as a kid when my parents were trying to beat the traffic only to have the Mets tie it up in the ninth and btwn the ride home with radio and TV at home……there was a whole nother ten innings left before my Pirates won. Oh, did I mention not feeling too sorry for you and your cubs. 🙂
I hate when I do the woulda, shoulda, coulda, but If our front office would listen to us sometimes (LOL) and drafted LB Jatavis Brown (12 games/7starts, 79 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 2 FF, 6 PD in first season) instead of trading up for Carroo who IMO we could have gotten without trading up. Then did what they did this offseason, we would have Kiko, Timmons, Jatavis, McMillan, Hewitt, Misi with our LB future of Kiko Alonso, Raekwon Mcmillan, and Jatavis Brown. Damn, why don’t they listen to us. SMH
The Carroo pick seems to be a mistake. We could have gotten 2 solid players in this draft with what we gave up to get Carroo.
i.e. Jatavis Brown in the 4th
Stanger, I’m actually a Reds fan first. I grew up in north central Indiana. I would go to sleep listening to Reds games on my AM radio. That started back in the George Foster, Pete Rose, Bench days (late 70’s) and right when they got Seaver from the Mats or Mets or whoever that team was. Dad’s friends were all Cubs fans and we would go to many of their games. I would always wear my Reds hat to Cubs games even if they weren’t playing the Reds. I stole a beer from a fat guy on my way to the bathroom and drank my first beer at age 13 at a Cubs game. When I came back to my seat my Dad said I smelled like beer and told him a fat guy spilled it on me in the bathroom. Not sure if he ever believed me or not. LOL
I even got an authentic autographed George Foster bat when he used that big black bat. I still have it but it is all faded and dented real bad to where you can’t read anything on it. My dumbass used it to hit rocks from the driveway across the road and into the river. If I hit it across the river it was a homerun. That became an obsession and needless to say the bat is beat to hell but I still kept it all these years. The things you do when you are boring living in the country. LOL
Kong is a Birds fan. Now with you on board, we find a Brewers fan and we have the whole NL Central covered. And think a lot of us have seen what now would be worth money go bad. Used a world series full Brooklyn Dodgers signed baseball in a local pickup baseball game back in the day. My Dad said it was important when he gave it to me, but we needed a ball. 🙂
bored not boring, lol
Kong sucks then, LOL JBB
Damn stanger, re: the baseball lol
I believe Son is a Reds fan as well, if I remember correctly
Can’t shorten the game of baseball. Our society of “I want it NOW daddy” people are going to ruin everything. Just throw the game in the microwave and we can have it done in a 30 minutes. I can’t waste 3 or more hours of my life, after all, I have duck lip photos I have to post on instagram and snapchat. Ugh!
Right
It was boring and long we’ll before Microwaves Mikey
Soccer and hockey went to the shootout…….but not sure what option like that there is for baseball. First hitter to first base for any reason? Don’t see them doing that either though.
Did I read Burke correctly that the LBs can play any of the positions depending on who we face? I’ve never heard of that. I thought players don’t like to be moved around. It’s harder to learn multiple positions IMO.
Different schemes and different roles. We have base, nickle, dime and Wide 9……not such a big jump to slotting different people with different skill sets to match up in each.
They moved them all last year too, and we have done that under previous regimes as well. Its not uncommon these days, thats kinda what has given birth to these hybrid LB types with speed to be a WLB or SLB and pass rush on top of cover and go sideline to sideline. In fact on any team its WAY more common to see a LB statically set to one spot instead of moved around.
BBM
My dad was a huge Mets fan, and that’s how I became a Mets fan. He was in business in Chicago in1977, after the Mets traded Tom Seaver to the Reds. he’s at the bar in the Chicago Sheraton, and nearly the entire Reds team were at the bar. My dad was sitting there talking to Tom Seaver and a few other guys. he met and got autographs from Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, Csar Geronimo, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion and a few others. My father, who is really in heaven now was in haven then too. lol
Wow, great story bro! I bet he didn’t have to pay Pete Rose for his autograph back then, LOL
LOL – No he didn’t. As Mets fans, Rose was always hated for body slamming little Buddy Harrelson, but he was always respected and appreciated. I was at a game where he had a 44 game hit streak extended, and the Mets fans at Shea gave him a standing ovation for quite a while.
SB
The people who think baseball is boring shouldn’t be the ones making the decisions to shorten the games. If you don’t like the game, let it be, don’t watch it.
I think extra innings are more exciting than say innings 4 through 8.
depends on the game, the longer games is when one team is getting worked or neither pitchers are capable of stopping the others batters, aside from keeping them from hitting homers. A dink and dunk high scoring game gets pretty monotonous unless you are just into that kinda thing. Pure pitcher duels are pretty fast games, but again, no real action for the adhd types, so again, seems a lot longer than it is. I stilllike it how it is, but again, from a business aspect and “modernizing the game” i can see what they are aiming to do, only real question is should they. Baseball is the only sport that is pretty much exactly as it started with only minor tweaks to how its played (ie addition of night games and some very minor rule tweaks)
Its a money making industry like football, i agree with you i dont want to see the game changed to “speed it up” but they have to appeal to this new adhd generation, in order to compete with football, which is the perfect adhd sport, snap ball, 15-20 seconds, snap ball, over and over and over.
As a LB, the only real thing that needs to be static is who is calling out the assignments, you need a true leader but he can set the defense up no matter where you are lined up, fter that its a lot of read/react, know your gap on any given play, and then see ball get ball. In some ways it has simplified the LB assignments and made it harder for offenses to know exactly what the defense is doing on any given play.
Cool thanks. I didn’t realize we were moving them around last year as well. I thought Alonso was playing mlb for the most part and people wanted him to play Sam instead because he wasn’t very good against the run.
D
Pretty hard to appeal to those people, it’s just not that kind of game. Little things they can do and are already doing it, is keeping batters from stepping out of the batters box and readjusting the 20 frigging protective guards they have on their elbows, shins, and adjusting their batting gloves etc. That gets old, and slows down the game for nothing.
Mike,
I was just stating a fact. Lol. I don’t care what they do to the game. I’m glad there are people into baseball because it keeps them out of my way for something else. Haha.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/861604110470004741
LOL SB – I hear ya. It’s a long season, and long games. Most times I don’t sit there and watch an entire game, I check back in while watching something else, but I care enough to want to see what’s going on. When you’re at the game, and you have good seats, the game doesn’t seem nearly as long, because you’re much more involved in the action, you can see everything. I think that’s the best way to watch a game.
I’ll just be honest and say that for me, pretty much any live sporting event is boring, even football. I always find myself wishing I was doing something else or located somewhere else.
Come to a Fest my friend. Last thing it is is boring, no matter what is happening on the field. Heck — wouldn’t even need a game going on.
Harris on his first step off the line of scrimmage — dude is an interesting combination of humble and not so much, but there is no doubt that initial burst and moves after it are why we drafted him instead of his 40 time.
“I definitely think it was one of the best in college football. It’s not something that happened overnight. When I first got to Mizzou, I had no first step at all. I didn’t even know how to run through bags or anything like that. It’s something I worked a lot on and have come a long way and something that will continue to get better.”