The Miami Dolphins travel to Orchard Park New York, and if any of you happen to have seen last weeks game against the Indianapolis Colts, there’s a decent chance we could see similar weather this week, and the Canadian winds keep coming (Thanks Toba!). The temperature should be about 32-35 degrees, and they are expecting afternoon snow showers, but they will probably start after the game, or possibly near the end of the game. In any case, it’s the right weather for a team who can run the ball, and whaddaya know, we fit right in there buddy!
The Dolphins will be coming off one of their most impressive game performances in quite some time. I haven’t enjoyed sitting down and watching every minute of a Dolphins game like the Monday Night game against the Patriots as much in what feels like a decade or more. The 27-20 score wasn’t nearly as close as the score would indicate. The Dolphins dominated this game for most of the 60 minutes. Patriots QB Tom Brady didn’t complete a pass to any of his WR’s until the 3rd QTR. The Patriots had been chewing up 100 yard games on the ground the last couple of weeks, but not this night. The Dolphins defense held the Pats to just 25 yards rushing on 10 attempts. OK, that’s skewed, because the Patriots were playing from behind. The Miami defense shut down Tom Brady to the tune of 24-43 233 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT’s. Brady had been carving up opposing defenses with a silly 26-4 TD/INT’s, but Xavien Howard tortured Brady, by sticking like glue to the speedy NE wideout Brandin Cooks all night. Cooks caught one pass for 38 yards, and NO, #25 wasn’t anywhere near him as the Dolphins went into a zone defense for that play. Howard had a day baby, or make that a night!
This game was so impressive, I’m gushing while writing this. Can this same Dolphins team march into Buffalo and beat them in their own park? We know what a daunting task that can be, we’ve failed so many years just needing a win up there, and we’ve been heartbroken too many times. Tyrod Taylor is expected to start, but no question he will be a little gimpy with his knee injury. We need the defense to be special again, like it was on Monday night. I still have flashbacks like a PTSD victim, sitting at Slatterys with Piggy, and watching the Dolphins unravel in Buffalo. I want no part of that type of game.
The good news is Tyrod Taylor is not 100%. Shady is, however, and had a fantastic “snow day” last week against the Colts, and carried the Bills on his back with 32 carries for 156 yards and 1 TD. For most of the game, neither team even attempted to throw with high winds raking across the field from sideline to sideline, along with about 6″ of snow on the field. It was crazy cool to watch, and I bet the players had a blast. Bills WR Kelvin Benjamin is also ailing with a knee injury, so with their QB and best WR dinged up, we have to take advantage of that.
SO Dolphins fans, can Adam Gase come up with a game plan that can defeat the rival Bills in their house, with all the cards on the 2017 season on the table? Stay tuned my friends, Sunday 1PM – CBS, or whatever stream you can get. I know you will be watching!
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I would keep a close eye on the weather forecast. Right now there’s no rain/snow on Sunday, but as we know forecast can change quickly. …especially lake-effect weather.
Buffalo has very erratic weather. It could say snow expected and then you cant even watch the game because all ya see is tiny holes in an otherwise solid sheet of snow. Also, I dont know how many of you have had the displeasure of visiting that town, but there aren’t many places on earth i like less
GO PHINS
The good news is Tyrod Taylor is not 100%.
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For the Bills or the Dolphins?
Tyrod has killed us in the past, and he gave us a pretty good fight at the Fest last year too. It’s good for us. Peterman is concussed, so they would have to turn to their 3rd string QB, Joe Webb
IMO the choice is Tanny’s on if he is here next year or not. I think the decision will come down to his answer on if he will restructure or not. I think they are going to approach Tanny about re-structuring, with a deadline of when he needs to have his decision by being before FA starts. If he doesnt agree to it, they probably look to re-sign Cutler instead, probably at something akin to what they signed him for this season, but probably more dependent on how he finishes out the year, as that’s going to dictate what kind of leverage he has. If Cutler wants too much or they cant get the deal done they have Tanny and then the decision comes down to if he wont restructure and we do need his cap space, do they cut him/or trade him and try to move up to get a QB. The latter probably happens with the FO making a decision to do a re-build, so it might turn out like the Jets this year where we have a fire sale. Right now, i dont see it going that way, but i do feel like they are going to want and possibly require Tanny to restructure to remain our QB.
Good write up, Mike. Keep rollin’ Phins!!!!
It’s hard to tell with these reports because we’ve been giving guys days off all year and players dealing with even minor injuries have been rested too. Also after a Monday night game not surprising with some of these guys who played in the game.
Lets go Dolphins
Kick some Squiggly!
Roger Goodell says league to investigate NFL Network sexual harassment allegations
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And trending on my Twitter right now are Russell Simmons, Tavis Smiley, and Salma Hayek (wrote an op-ed about working with Harvey Weinstein). All of this is about sexual misconduct. Smiley just got suspended by PBS.
The Flying Pig says:
December 13, 2017 at 2:13 pm
Seeing the patriots defense, I tend to think they’ve been able to hide how bad they are based on their scoring output.
I was looking at the names and saying to myself “who?”
I wonder if the Steelers really hand it to them this weekend
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The Pat’s D has been terrible all year. They were at the bottom of all the stats on D the first 6 weeks of the year before they got a LITTLE better.
Shit, X is out sick. I hope he hasn’t caught the flu bug that’s been going around and that leveled me last week. I’m still not all the way right.
When the hell have you been all the way right ? 😎
LOL!
That is a whole lot of DNP on the list. Hopefully you guys are right and they are just getting rest and doing classroom / film study.
NICE WORK, as usual, Mike E.
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I BELIEVE I’m the only one on this site who has spent 5, count ’em, FIVE full winters in Buffalo. The last of those 5 featured a blizzard that left solid 10-12 FEET, that’s FEET, of snow up against our two story house. My bedroom window, on the second floor, was mostly covered by a drift that extended up almost to the roof of the second floor. We were snow bound for 17 days!!!–A guy just a few houses from us DIED of a heart attack before rescuers could get to the house. My Dad eventually constructed a tunnel and we got out on Day 17. He put the business and the house both up for sale a few days later and, eventually, we were off to Palm Beach County, never to return to Buffalo, except for one day in September of 1992 (?) when Miss Penny and I went to a Fins @ Bills game. More on that episode some other time.
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My beautiful wife is scheduled to have her third Lumbar surgery on Wednesday, Jan. 10. It’s her 6th major surgery in the last dozen years. So if I’m away from this site more than usual, you’ll know why. Needless to say, we WON’T be at the Buffalo at Miami game Dec. 31, altho’ we’d sure like to be. Gotta get my girl ready for the 2018 season!!
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MADE A COPY of the 1972 “ABSOLUTE PERFECTION” series for a fellow vet down the street who is a HUGE sports fan. Teased him with Game 10, the Jets at Miami game in a totally crazed Orange Bowl Stadium! “Gotta have the rest of them” he told me.
At the end of the story of Super Bowl VII, there were several reactions from many of you. HERDFAN says,”I can’t imagine how exciting it must have been to be a fan then, anticipation leading up to the Super Bowl. I don’t think I would have been able to sleep the whole week leading up to the game.”
—It was WORSE THAN THAT, HERDFAN!! The week of the Jets game (game #10) I barely slept the two nights before the game!! AND, after the game, I found myself shaking as the foghorns and firecrackers went off when the clock struck ZERO!! – – May have brought back some memories from my time in the Army that I wanted to forget (I’d only been OUT of the Army for about a dozen days.) –Thankfully, games 11-14 were NOT nail biters and I was able to get SOME sleep and some order to my life that I lacked on active duty. But the two very close playoff games both went down to THE LAST PLAY, and I was a wreck!!! I only got a little better the week of the Super Bowl. The night before, strangely, I remember sleeping VERY WELL. Then came the Super Bowl, itself, and the unbelievable celebration after the Super Bowl. The next day WAS MY 26th birthday, so I kept celebrating and celebrating some more. IT WOULD KILL ME TODAY to do that!!
–I was another month or two before I could get normal amounts of sleep. My military experiences had taken a bigger toll than I realized. But, after a couple of months, I was my old crazy self, again.
But, the following season, I did NOT tempt fate. I had a relatively mild time celebrating with “My Boyz,” and life was, for the first time in MANY YEARS, really normal and enjoyable. I THANK the Perfect Season, and the season that followed it, for my diminished military life symptoms. –I feel very lucky for so many different reasons, some of which are difficult to put into words.
I hope everything works out for MRS OD, I’ve had 4 lower lumbar surgeries myself, I am now back to playing golf, The 4th one seemed to work.
118 136 146 88.5
Tyrod has torn us an asshole 3 of the last four games he’s played us. If you look at his game logs, the highest passer ratings of his career are against us. Hopefully his being gimpy will limit the damage his does. He’s run for 151 yards against us in for games.
I didn’t even look at stats, I just recall him shredding us, even in last year’s Fest game, which we won due to some Ajayi heroics. He really thrives against us for some reason.
He didn’t play well in the fest game at all. I think he was around 40% completion percentage. He did hit one long ball for a TD
Phindog says:
December 13, 2017 at 8:05 pm
When the hell have you been all the way right ? 😎
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as soon as I clicked post comment I knew someone would go there. LOL
Play on words, here, I have never been right. I have a penis, therefor I do not have the ability to be right. Ask any woman.
You gotta stick it in further 😂
It was 1.1% last week.
Thanks Tim, OD!
That Buffalo story is insane. A freaking ice tunnel!
Ken
Taylor threw for 221 yards, 1 TD and another TD rushing. No INT”s. He completed 14 of 28. Not a good completion pct, but he played well. We had to come back after he threw that TD.
He was pretty horrible in that game. He was very inaccurate and missed a lot of throws that he should have made. We got down early but took a commanding lead in the second half. A good chunk of his yards and completions came in garbage time late in the game. I think they scored on the final series of the game.
Here’s something to chew on…
Cutler has started 11 games for us in ’17: 17 sacks (4.8 sack%)
Moore has started 2 games for us in ’17: 12 sacks (8.6 sack%)
Tannehill had started 13 games for us in ’16: 29 sacks (6.9 sack%)
16 game projections for all…
Cutler: 25 sacks
Moore: 96 sacks
Tannehill: 36 sacks
Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean? We’d better not go all-in for strictly road-graters on the O-Line in the ’18 Draft; they’d better be able to protect Tannehill as well.
#PocketPresence
I agree. I think everyone we have been mentioning so far for the 2018 draft are able to run and pass block.
YUP!
Browns signed WR Matt Hazel off the Colts PS.
Poor Matt Hazel… that guy didn’t do anything to deserve that kind of punishment.
Matt Hazel was still PS squad eligible?!?!?
Yeah, they changed the PS eligibility rules this year, or maybe even last year.
Talk about getting the short end of the stick.
Well at least he made a roster
This is either my 3rd or 4th endorsement of this dude: we do NOT want to pass up on FRANK RAGNOW, C/G, Arkansas, in the ’18 Draft. He can maul with the very best of them, he’s an elite pass-protector (99.6% PBE with only ONE hurry allowed all season: 0 sacks, 0 hits, 1 hurry), and he’s positional versatile (C and RG).
BILLY PRICE, C/G, Ohio State is NICE too, yet that mauler has allowed 1 sack, 2 hits, and 7 hurries all season.
It’s time to remember Branden Albert’s motto when he was with us: “PROTECT THE (Tanne)HILL!!!”.
EITHER of 1) RAGNOW or 2) PRICE will be significant upgrades to our O-Line.
Once again, I agree.
Thank you!
MF-13: How many more games would we have won THIS SEASON if we had taken “The Elf” in round 2 instead of his Buckeye team mate?? But, perhaps, over their respective careers, the guy we DID PICK will out perform Pat Elflein.
We shall see.
Elflein would certainly have been an upgrade at Guard for us… OR at Center. But here’s to hoping that young Raekwon is the answer at the MIKE for us for many years to come.
Time shall reveal.
Lol at your sack total projection M
Matt Moore 96!! Lol
M,
What’s wrong with Braden Smith?
mf13ss says:
December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm
Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean?
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I believe it means that Cutler is more aware of his surroundings, able to identify and call out his protection and has a very quick release. he’s very accurate and may be the best QB on our roster.
I think it’s possible he (Cutler) may have better pocket presence than Tannehill. I wouldn’t say he’s more accurate though, I think they’re pretty close.
With 17 mil slated for 2018 and only 4.6 dead money Tannehill may have seen his last snap in Miami. IMO Cutler is more accurate, way…way better Pocket Presence no difference in Arm strength, Tannehill is more athletic
Cutler said he wants to play more, If i had the two head to head from what i have seen Cutler would start.
What do you think Cutler would want as far as salary for next year? He’d probably want more than the $10M he got this year
he may be cheaper than Tannehill.
Tannehill’s ready to restructure or dump, he is slated for 17.5 mil with 4.6 in dead money, if you are able to get Cutler for another 10 mil it may be wise to dump tanny because his next pay day may be somewhere in the 25 mil range right about Cousins $$$
what do you want a better all around QB at apprx 10 mil or a not so great QB AT 25 MIL???
Better yet trade tannehill and our 1st rounder to Cleveland for the rights to Rosen
let Cutler hold the reins and bring Rosen along slowly.
Rob – I think Gase likes Tannehill, so you’re probably going to be disappointed. I would like to see what Tannehill can do with a full year in Gase’s offense, along with Drake and probably a better O-line. If Cutler wants to play, I don’t think it will be here, unless he wants to take a pay cut, and is willing to just compete for the starting job here, no guarantees.
Mike E — did you catch that you actually beat me now in FF last week? Close as it was before must have been a stat correction. Only 2nd time have ever seen that. And we switched opponents cause of it too…..you and Toba now.
LOL – No, I didn’t see that. I wonder what the correction was
Look’s like Bill’s coach Sean McDermott follows the evil genius way too, least when it comes to pre-game pressers. Here was his take on Cutler yesterday.
“I mean, he’s one of the top quarterbacks around the league, I would say. I don’t think much has changed over the years. You mentioned this year, with his transition there. Strong arm, extremely versatile in what he can do obviously moving with the ball in his hands in terms of his feet in the pocket and has great vision for the field and pinpoint accuracy. I mean, he’s as good as there are out there and you saw that Monday night.”
M13, you can’t compare stats for this year with two guys in 17 and one in 16 because it’s not the same season or team. This year despite a couple of bad games, the pass pro even with all the injuries and changes to the OL hasn’t been that bad. The run blocking has been more of an issue. I think Drake’s quickness the last two games has helped make it look like less of an issue. But when we want to run say in short yardage we don’t get much of a push.
ORob
We don’t have to get rid of tannehill to bring in a new QB. We can draft one and let him compete with tannehill, the rookie sal cap is advantageous to a situation like this.
If the idea is to take a particular qb and move up in the draft – I personally think that’s a bad idea. I can’t get my heart set on a QB who hasn’t played a down in the nfl. There are too many RG3s and Tim Couches out there to get fixated on a draft prospect
When I love at tannehill I see a QB who has been middle of the pack in the nfl. I would rather keep a middle of the pack qb while I take a chance on improving the position then get rid of that QB and take that chance.
I don’t want to trade tannehill or waive him. He gives us a nice fall back if we draft some one who doesn’t pan out
I agree with your approach. RT can also raise the level of his game.
Ryan DID raise his level of play. Except for the terrible game against the Ravens, once Gase got the offense going, he played very well last year in the last 8 games. People seem to dismiss that too easily. He played pretty good in some of the other games too, but he really brought it to another level after the 1-4 start.
That is true and who’s to say it wouldn’t have continued if he didn’t suffer the knee injury. We were beating ARZ 21-9 with RT throwing 3 TDs when he went down in the 3rd quarter. That’s the last game he has played.
Tannehill had a 102.65 QBR over the last 8 games. It was an 80.94 over the first 5 games. That’s pretty impressive
He seems to get viewed these days as if he didn’t raise the level of his play and he was playing poorly.
Tim – Agreed – He was poor just like the rest of the team in the first 5, but he really upped his play after that.
It’s funny not so long ago Cutler was terrible and people were talking about how he always has been. Then he plays better of late and now he’s being talked about as part of the future. LOL
Classic what have you done for me lately fan reactions.
Tired of seeing Tannehill stand like a statue back there unaware that defenders are trying to hack at him to get a turnover, sacked 29 times in 2016, and he didn’t even play the full year, sacked 40 times in 2015! has to be the most sacked QB since he’s been in the league and it aint the OL!
Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 46, 50 and 51 times in a season. It’s not just about sack stats. Sometimes it’s pressure, sometimes it’s holding the ball too long trying to make a play and sometimes it’s a coverage sack. It’s never only on the QB or the OL. Sometimes you give the defense credit.
But this idea that it ain’t the OL when it comes to Tannehill makes it sound like they have nothing to do with it. Why all the talk about needing OL then? Also why did Rodgers who is considered one of the best, most mobile and athletic QBs take so many sacks?
Go look at some Tannehill highlights to see how many times he escaped pressure and that’s not anywhere near all of them.
Piggy i believe you have to consider Tannehills hit on the salary cap, you also have to consider Cutler in the equation, Is Tannehill heads and tails better than Cutler? i think not. will Tannehill command big $$ on his next contract? no doubt. so do you spend big $$ and tie that up for the next few years for a middle of the road QB when you may have an even better QB who’s flexable and won’t command a cap breaking deal not to mention Fales could back-up Cutler and we get something for Tannehill. I think they should take a hard look pending Cutlers availability next year.
Mike, What makes you think Gase likes Tannehill over Cutler? because he said as much? I’m sure he’s not going to say anything negative or devalue one of his players. especially if they plan to trade him.
I think he believes Ryan has potential here. He saw it come to fruition the 2nd half of the season, and I’m sure he feels there’s no reason that won’t continue. Cutler has been ON one game and OFF the next. He’s also 35 next season, Ryan will be turning 30. Realistically, you can’t trade Tannehill because he’s coming off an injury. He’d have to play in the preseason at a minimum, and maybe even the regular season to prove he’s worth it.
Cutler also just recently said he’d like to continue playing football, but what if he changes his mind? Tanehill is hungry to come back, and maybe Cutler will be too, but I also think there’s a fair chance he may decide to quit, especially if he doesn’t get an offer he likes.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/941336999230783488
I love feathers.
According to ORob all we need to do to make the Super Bowl next year is cut or tradevTannehille and get Ajayi back. It’s a dynasty.
He’s also forgetting his thought on a balanced attack when it comes to Tannehill. How many times did we run 10-15 times in a game and pass 40+ times in Tannehill’s career? That is going to lead to taking more sacks because you’re now one dimensional and dropping back too often. When we became more balanced in 2016 the sacks went down because we weren’t passing every down.
ORob
If you replace tannehill with cutler and draft a qb then maybe that can work for 18
But that’s when it runs it’s course
At best, cutler has enough left for ‘18
That won’t be a problem if your draftee works out and is read for 18 or 19
But if it turns out you drafted David Carr or any of the other misses in the first round over the years
Then you don’t have a QB for ‘19 and are desperate again
The thing about Tannehill is at a minimum we know he can man the job for another 5 years. So if the idea is to improve the play at qb, I think you want that cushion of the safe qb for years just in case your draftee doesn’t pan out
Cutler doesn’t give us any long term security
In fact I’m. It even sure he wants to play in 18
I suspect if he does he is going to want more $ too
look at roethlisburger, Brady, Eli Manning, Brees, they’re older are they going anywhere soon. this guy foles may be a great QB so who says we even have to draft one.
I think Tannehills ceiling is limited, career 86 passer rating? that’s in the mid 20’s out of 32 he’s not that bad but he’s also not that good.
here’s the kicker, will you resign him to 20m + do you just eat the 18.5 next year for a below average QB? who knows? maybe so.
Tannehill is a better QB than Cutler. Cutler has better pocket presence, but RT is more accurate and he doesn’t throw inexplicable interceptions like Cutler does.
And Tanny is in the prime age category and Cutler had to be yanked out of the broadcast booth. Any future with Cutler involves another QB.
I agree
Tank practiced today. So did Damien Williams for that matter.
Tannehill has a career 86.5 passer rating, has been sacked 213 times!
sorry but that sucks!
Better than Cutlers!
No doubt the sacks are more but then Marino played behind a great OL and had a career passer rating of 86.4.and Cutler’s overall rating is 85.4.
so i would assume that 1 point in passer ratings worth a 15 million per year difference, it’s not that Cutler is that much better but you have to include his salary as well
Yep — safe in assuming that when the age difference and the fact that Tanny was at 93.5 last year are factored in.
Has Tannehill taken some sacks he shouldn’t have, yes. Has the pass pro also allowed too many jail breaks where he was being swarmed and hit before he can even setup, yes. I mean we’ve all seen it. Not sure why you’re trying to leave out some of the reasons for it.
This QB had a career QB rating of 88.6 after his first full 5 seasons? Does that suck too?
correction career 86.5 passer rating, wasn’t it you was saying Henne was the next Dan Marino?
Never said that about Henne unless it was a joke. I did think Henne could be like a Phil Simms, ask Ken to verify that. I was wrong on that though. LOL
The 88.6 QB rating I mentioned was Tom Brady his first 5 full seasons. He only attempted 3 passes his rookie year so I didn’t count that. When looking at sacks you have to look at the whole picture, pass attempts and supporting cast. If you think our pass pro has been good since Tannehill has been in the league, I can’t keep having this discussion because it hasn’t been.
The sacks aren’t all Tannehill’s fault. We’ve been talking about fixing the O-line since forever
Last year, there were games where the D-line was on a jailbreak on so many snaps. It was comical. We easily forget those things.
Conveniently forget? lol
C’mon Mike, he looks like Herman Munster standing back there!
That’s not a fair statement. He’s one of the most athletic and mobile QBs in the league. You seem to think hanging tough in the pocket as opposed to some QBs who bail at the sniff of pressure is being a statue or Herman Munster. Which is funny by the way. LOL
how many errant passes has Cutler thrown this year? maybe some but for the most part he’s been on target, just from an eyeball standard i think Cutler has the edge on Tanny. JMO
How many times has he hit our BB player TE in the knee’s?
Cam Newton’s is 85.6, and throw away the red herring year of 2015, and it’s much lower. He’s a fraud, I knew he wouldn’t duplicate that.
Lol…..at least this all means 1 thing……Phins are playing good and winning!
GO PHINS
out of the 12 teams that make the playoffs how many will have a qb rating in the 20-32 range?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/passing.htm
So….you’re saying Phins aren’t making the playoffs then right? Because you are beating the drum for a guy at the bottom of that list
yes i agree, no way we make the playoffs but that #24 rating is where Tanny hangs out every year, so do you sign that production to a multi year 20+ million contract or trade him?
Why we need Tanny back…..he was #12 in QB rating last year.
Only because of Ajayi
We all knew that already…..the threat of Ajayi had the whole opposing DL dropping back in coverage almost every play. But then Cutler had the blessing of playing with the J-Train too.
Yes i agree Stanger, Ajayi with Cutler 4-2, without 2-5
Are we bringing Marino into this debate? He played in a different time. All these ratings and numbers are inflated now a days with almost all the rules favoring the offense. Cutler and Tannehill’s ratings would probably be a good 10 or 15 points less if they played back then, just saying.
This will be last thing I say on the matter and I quote Bill Parcells, “If they don’ t bite when they’re puppies, they usually won’t bite. I believe this with ALL positions.
Parcells’ quote on biting as puppies isn’t true though. Too many examples to point out. That would mean development never happens. Puppies can be trained.
However I do believe his 11 Quarterback Commandments are pretty spot on.
https://billyliggett.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/bill-parcells-11-quarterback-commandments/
Fuck Parcells!
Sorry….I’m bitter!
Was the one who brought up Marino, but was sorta of my point rgs. ORob brought up career ratings while ignoring what Tanny’s was last season and the arrow up on them before. But then he later brought up how bad Cutler’s rating is this year after saying we should ditch Tanny for Cutler. Go figure. All just fun though.
It really is a silly discussion. It is also not going to happen absent some kind of miracle post season run
Of course it is silly….and we have the whole off season to go over it no matter what happens.
If this is directed at Tannehill I think it’s fair to say he was biting as a pup. 16 starts, over 3,000 yards and a 400 yard game on the road as a rookie.
He might need a muzzle…
Ruff ruffw
It’s directed at all players. I’m not on Tannehill’s or Cutler’s side of the debate, because I don’t think either is the answer.
RGS, if that’s the case and neither may be the answer than you should agree paying a QB 10m is much better than paying a QB 18 to 25 m correct?
Least we had QB #12 last year….hoping his rehab goes well enough that he is as good as before. Who is the $25 mil QB?
It’s always better if you can get similar play cheaper, but it’s usually not that cut and dried. It’s up to the FO to make the decision this off season.
Honestly if they do bite as puppies the only thing that happens is everyone stops what they are doing and says “awwwwwwww”
LOL
Cutler is 2-0 with the Drake so there is that. 🙂
correction 2-5, Drake has played in all 7 games post Ajayi
Not as a starter with a starter workload. Come on Rob, we all know what you mean by this. If you can run it helps everything and that is what Drake has done the last two games in the starter role.
That said, I do not think wins are all equated to the presence of a RB because we scored 6 points in 3 losses with Ajayi – 20-6, 20-0 and 40-0.
C’mon Tim, Williams played with Ajayi, the only reason drake is carrying the load is because williams is hurt
I second ER – FUCK PARCELLS!!! I hate him as much as I hate Saban, maybe even more.
I respect his work as a HC, but what he did here in MIA, FUCK ‘EM!
I agree mike, that SOB wouldn’t work for free so F@#K him!
It wasn’t about what Parcells did in Miami. It was rgs’s comments about biting as pups.
Rob – This is all you need to know about Parcells
Miami Dolphins[edit]
On December 19, 2007, the Miami Herald reported that Parcells had agreed to become the new Executive Vice President of Football Operations of the Miami Dolphins.[30] ESPN reported the following day that he signed a four-year contract.[31] Just a day prior, reports linking Parcells to the Atlanta Falcons’ position of vice president of football operations were leaked.[32] However, the following day the Falcons formally announced that Parcells had turned down the offer because of discussions with Miami.[33]
In the first season as Executive Vice President of Football Operations, Parcells fired head coach Cam Cameron, GM Randy Mueller, along with a few assistant coaches, after a 1–15 finish in the 2007 season. With vacancies at the GM and head coaching spots, he brought in Jeff Ireland to be the general manager and signed Tony Sparano as head coach.
He should be shot and pissed on for this alone!
Exactly and finished 11-5 that year and made the playoffs and the next year he worked for free! so what did he ever do for us i agree F#$K that A-HOLE. LOL
Rob, maybe Williams getting hurt was a blessing in disguise and now we know more about Drake who is more talented than Williams. But that wasn’t really the point of the discussion, it was about the presence of a running game.
I agree Drake has really stepped it up, i hope he can continue, i have no doubt that if he keeps up his current numbers we go undefeated the rest of the year
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Parcells’ deal with Miami was finalized when Huizenga offered to include an opt out clause that allowed him to keep all of his four-year, $16 million contract if Huizenga was no longer the majority owner.
Parcells also admits he never felt comfortable with “neophyte owner” Steve Ross, and was bothered when Ross never followed through on a contract extension Ross routinely mentioned to him
“Ross told me on about four different occasions, ‘Well, I want to sit down and talk to you about the future.’ He never ever does do it,” Parcells says in the book. “I’d been waiting for him and he doesn’t do it. I’m not pushing him, but he never seems to have the time.
Parcells also didn’t like how the power structure was working with Ross now owner along with Ireland and Sparano. Parcells hasn’t spoken to Ireland since the 2011 Harbaugh fiasco. He felt Ireland stabbed Sparano in the back.
Oh what a conversation!
LOL
LOL !!
Enough!
Moving forward I can see us rolling with Drake, re-signing Williams and adding another back in the draft. Maybe a guy who can be a hammer tailback at times and a FB/H-Back at times like we’ve been using Gray. But to me Drake opens up our offense because of his ability as a receiver. We can show a big formation look and then turn it into a 3 WR set with him on a LB which is a mismatch. We did that against the Pats. It’s a work in progress but so far so good.
I like that plan.
You’re a draft guy, any backs that fit that profile? One guy I read up on a few weeks back was Jaylen Samuels out of NCS. He seems to fit the multi-purpose back at 5-11 228.
Actually, Samuels was the one that immediately came to mind. He can give you the flexibility you mentioned. If he was a little taller he would probably go higher in the draft, as is we are probably looking at a 3rd/4th round prospect right now.
I could let us letting Williams walk, and i think it will just depend on how much he asks for that will make the decision. They aren’t going to overpay for him, ie give him starting back money, much less elite level RB money. I believe if he comes a 3mil per or less, maybe we re-sign him but we wont be compelled to put much more on the table for him. I think Smith will wind up getting future contract at the very end of they year and likely could be in the mix to make the team in Williams place, and i think we might add another back, a good bang for your buck back, like Bo Scarborough who has some elite level power back skills, and right now seems pretty undervalued in the talking heads evaluations. With emergence of Drake, Williams leverage has disappeared, the team has the upper hand right now.
I don’t see Williams commanding big money. He is good depth and a role player especially catching the ball out of the backfield. However, I don’t think that translates into big money on the open market. Now if Drake was a free agent ….
Batten down the hatches, it’s going to be a cold one this weekend.
…in Buffalo.
James Walker
ESPN Staff Writer
Dolphins QB Jay Cutler said he’s growing his beard during the win streak. He’s two weeks in.
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Lets hope he ends up at
As for RB’s i like in this draft, once that i also think we can get in the 4thish round. Scarborough as i mentioned above, Freeman out of Oregon could be a good one, Josh Adams out of ND also a decent powerback option.
I think we definitely will have some options in the middle rounds. We just need a guy that will compliment Drake.
Rob
You mentioned TWICE Parcells working for free. You don’t believe that do you? He had a 4 YR contract with an opt out clause. He chose to
sneak out of the building in the middle of the night, still getting paid, like a weaselopt out.It was the opposite. We literally paid him for nothing. He was still drawing a paycheck for like 2 years after he left
Yes, thank you. I have no idea what Rob is talking about with this. Why should we worry about extending him, he SUCKED from the start. W/O Pennington, he wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs with the GM and coaches he chose.
Ok, now this is the last “one more thing” on Cutler/Tannehill. Just because I don’t think either one is the answer, it doesn’t mean I dislike them or am ready to ship them both out this off season. We still need a QB in 2018. I just hope we don’t stop looking for that franchise guy.
Hey, you never know he may fall into our laps like a guy named Marino did.
If Flacco can lead a team to a SB Tannehill can. I am not sure Cutler can anymore. There was a time I would have said yes but I don’t see it in him now
Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma
Height: 6-2. Weight: 239.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Projected Round (2018): 4-6.
12/2/17: Flowers has 13 carries for 26 yards with four touchdowns as a runner in 2017. He has 22 receptions for 393 yards and four touchdowns, too.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018FB.php#ixzz51HHasHHN
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018FB.php#sBYSsZRkWjbXXfel.99
You really want to draft a FB!
He is a really good receiver out of the backfield
Let’s not pretend Ajayi is the second coming of Walter Payton or Barry Sanders……jeez
There are no RB in football right now like those two players, those are special guys. The days of Gale Sayers, Herschel Walker, Payton, Sanders, Emmit Smith, etc, thats just now this NFL. As good as Leveon Bell is, as good as Zeke is, etc they just aren’t on that level of RB talent. Those players, you could prepare for them all day long and they would still beat you.
rgs, yeah Samuels isn’t really an H-Back in the NFL size criteria but he might fit well with what we want to do on offense. Also 3rd/4th rd is what I’m looking at because I don’t think we have to go 1st or 2nd for a RB.
Only way id take a RB in the first is if someone like Barkley was available to us. I think there could be plenty of options there of having both Drake and Barkley on the field at the same time, both are good receivers and you could have a split backfield with both lined up as RB’s, one on an outlet route one protecting or there for a draw, you could run counter/double-counter runs, you could line them out of slot receiver positions. You could maximize the use of wheel routes and even do double wheels. Just because Drake is good, it doesn’t mean that having another really talented player like that would make for a lot of other options, like the triple option.What!!! Triple option as an option….. that’s like 9 options!
He won’t be there for us, I think he’s going top 5.. Not saying if he fell to us don’t think about it or take him. I don’t think that’s what we need to win a championship though. I think we need some more core stuff up front.
Yea, there’s really no need to go RB in the first 2 rounds.
Ken, what I think get’s lost sometimes is not all QBs who have won a SB was because they lead the team there but were a part of it. Teams get to and win SBs, the fans and media give the credit to QBs but it’s really not the case. Maybe a few special QBs are the key to it, but again, they are only part of it. Players still have to block, run and catch and play defense and STs or you can lose regardless of the QB. Ask Peyton against Seattle. Gase is also well aware of that.
It really has gotten silly that the measure of a QB has become SB rings. Plenty of great QBs who never won one and certainly some mediocre guys that have
Marino is the best QB to have ever played and he has no rings, but you know, every year i felt like we had a shot, and it was because of him that i had that confidence, despite it never happening.
Even the “mediocre” guys that have one, were at least having beastly years. Their elevated play is what put them over the top. Wagner is a good example of this for me. I dont think he was elite, he played decently before he wont the superbowl, but the guy had a stud team around him for several years and it wasnt until he elevated his play to elite levels that they won. So he obviously was a factor, and while he played Mediocre, they never won, he had to bust out a bad-ass season to finally get there.
Yep!
The rest of the team does matter, its a team sport, probably the one that most requires all memebers to be doing things right to win and be champions. However, all you have to do is look at the past few teams who have won the superbowl and who had they had at QB, and also look at the teams everyone automatically predicts will be Superbowl bound anually, and you will know how much that player being of elite caliber means to getting that ring. I get what you are saying, and i know just because they have a great QB doesnt mean they will be in the Superbowl every year, but it sure doesn’t seem to hurt. With that much evidence, you have to admit, even if it isn’t everything it has a big bearing on things.
Most Super bowl QBs are top 5 in qb ratings
Mike E. says:
December 14, 2017 at 5:13 pm
Rob
You mentioned TWICE Parcells working for free. You don’t believe that do you? He had a 4 YR contract with an opt out clause. He chose to sneak out of the building in the middle of the night, still getting paid, like a weasel opt out.
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Mike, IMO i really think you’re judging Bill Parcels unfairly,
What if your boss sold the eye glass company and gave you 4 years worth of severance pay as per your deal, The new owner wanted you to continue but had no intention of paying you anything would you stay and continue to work? or would you go get another paying job?
Tannehill has done nothing and I repeat, NOTHING, to warrant anyone saying they would like to see what he could do with a full year under Gase. He’s lost more games for this team than he’s won and, don’t forget, he’s the one who decided to forgo having surgery on his knee. So, if you ARE a Tannehill fan you should be really pissed at him for such a douchebag move. Rant over.
Lou out.
JMHO. lol
That being said, I agree with Tim and Ken above. If we were to field a top 5 defense and have a pretty good offensive line with a running game we could probably win a SB with the man with the knee.
Mike E. says:
December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
Yes, thank you. I have no idea what Rob is talking about with this. Why should we worry about extending him, he SUCKED from the start. W/O Pennington, he wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs with the GM and coaches he chose.
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well he got Pennington and he went 11-5 to win the division with the personnel he put in place, it’s a fact.
when was the last time we won that division besides 08? when was the last time anyone won that division not named New England?
and you’re bashing that …………??
We won the Division because Brady was injured
we won the division because we played better than the other 3 teams in our division. Injuries are part of Football
D:
There are mediocre QBs who have won SBs without having beastly years. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson comes to mind
Doug Williams
Good example. He had a beastly game. That was about it
There are, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.
Not really. There are others that was just off the top of my head. Look at Payton’s last SB. When Sims won a SB he didn’t have a monster year nor did Flacco
I would be extremely happy if Mark Andrews were our first round pick. I could live with that. I could also live with Roquan Smith as well.
I’m sure it’s been mentioned but what do you guys think of Quenton Nelson ND as a guard? He’s big at 6-5 330 and just looks the part. I see guys like him all the time in drafts and then see they’re fixtures on some team’s OL in the next couple of years if not right away. We need to land a guy like that in this draft.
I like him a lot. Probably my top OL guy for us, overall. Id still try to trade back and get him beause i really feel we may need more picks, and more OL prospects than just him, BUT i dont know if i woud be able to pass at our spot, because its very likely we would miss out on him. I like Martinas Rankin from Miss State as a possible James replacement if we have to go that route. If i got the right round/pick spot for Rankin, Clapp, Bowman, Nelson, Wynn, Braden Smith, Ragnow, any of these guys is going to help our OL.
He doesn’t fit our scheme. We don’t play smash mouth football. We are finesse blocking team.
Braden Smith would be more of a fit
He’s my #1 guy. That’s assuming Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, and Fitzpatrick are gone. …which most likely they will be.
With that said, Billy Price would be my #2 on the OL. Ragnow and Braden Smith are also very good options on day 2.
Interior line that is.
Out of the last 8 years 6 QBs were top 7 or better SB winners, one was 12 and the other was hurt.
it stands to reason that any QB out of top 10 in QB rating doesn’t stand much of a chance of winning a superbowl
2017 SB Tom Brady was 4th in QB rating
2016 peyton Manning was hurt in 2016 Denver won on Defense
2015 Brady was #5
2014 Russell wilson #7
2013 Joe Flacco #12
2012 Eli Manning #7
2011 araon rodgers #3
2010 drew brees #1
Its pretty consistent. Dilfer in 2000 is one, Johnson in 2002. Flacco, like you said was 12th, so i dunno if you count him or not, and Peyton might have been a gimpy arm but he was still and elite QB mind. I would disagree that he didnt have any play on them making the Superbowl and winning, even though statistically he surely didnt carry them.
Having an elite level QB is very much part of the winning formula. One of the main reasons is that position has the single most effect on a game of any other, so it can really lower or up your chances of winning, or hell even getting there, depending on how they are performing. Those exceptions were just completely insane defenses around them, not top 5, like number 1, and borderline “best all time” type defenses. The rest of the team had to be perfect to overcome average QB play, no matter how much you slice it, while it can be done without a perfect QB situation, its a helluva lot harder to overcome it and still get there, much less win it.
Very true, D. A franchise QB can mask problems with a team. Without one, almost everything has to break your way. …injuries, career years from unexpected players, and/ or carrier years for an entire unit. …like defense or offensive line/RB.
That is career for an entire unit. …not carrier.
Put a bad defensive performance in there and I bet they don’t win.
The Giants beat the Pats in the SB twice because of pass rush. Yes the Manning throws were great plays, but would have never meant anything without the pressure they put on Brady.
Lou, I’m not sure Gase is set on any particular OL scheme. I think he likes guys who can execute and block. Of course running out of shotgun is zone, it can’t be power. It’s a counter draw type play. Every team does this. We do line up big and run simple off-tackle and sweeps. We’re not very good at running straight power dives. We caught them guard with Grey twice. LOL
ocalarob says:
December 14, 2017 at 8:41 am
mf13ss says:
December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm
Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean?
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I believe it means that Cutler is more aware of his surroundings, able to identify and call out his protection and has a very quick release. he’s very accurate and may be the best QB on our roster.
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VERY GOOD translation, for the most part!
But with that stated, Tannehill is NOT, NOT chopped liver. His biggest weakness is his lack of pocket-awareness, and that should be addressed by finally getting this O-Line FIXED (BOTH pass-pro and run-blocking)… THAT is the biggest conclusion one should arrive at: it’s ALL about our O-Line.
And for the record, Cutler isn’t chopped liver, either. Our run-blocking SUCKS this year (we’re at 3.8 YPC this year, down from 4.5 YPC last year), Ajayi is no longer here (no more 8 in-the-box, thus allowing maximum coverage against Cutler), and Cutler barely gets sacked behind our ‘JV’ O-Linemen.
LT: Branden Albert ’16 > Laremy Tunsil ’17
LG: Laremy Tunsil ’16 > Anthony Steen &/OR Ted Larsen ’17
C: Mike Pouncey ’16 > Mike Pouncey ’17
RG: Jermon Bushrod ’16 > Jermon Bushrod &/OR Sam Young ’17
RT: Ja’Wuan James ’16 = Ja’Wuan James &/OR Jesse Davis ’17
For the love of hissing cockroaches, I try to make a point about our weaknesses and all the Tannehomers and Tannehaters come out! SHEESH!!! LOL 😆
There’s a reason we haven’t been able to run the ball this season (again, a meager 3.8 YPC), and a reason (beyond injury) that Tannehill won’t be sacked 60+ times this season… our O-Line SUCKS!!!
Rob
I can’t understand what you’re saying with Parcells working for free. He had a 4 year contract that he was paid in full for, and he left after 2 1/2 years. Explain to me where working for free comes into the equation.
For the record, I’m not a Tannyhomer. I just think he’s criticized to a level of absurdity. I’ve stated many times how I think he fits in and how we should use him. Gase showed the same thing last year. Run the ball and set up play-action and bootlegs with RT’s athletic ability and arm. Don’t have him sitting in shotgun 30+ times per game. That’s not maximizing his skills.
I know it wasn’t the same game and I’m not comparing the two, but I don’t remember Joe Montana ever lining up in shotgun. LOL
He used his athleticism to move around and not always be static. I think Tannehil excels in that type of game. You can’t run that stuff down by two scores and no running game. That’s when they let the dogs out.
I think you’re an optimistic realist… and I RESPECT that. I wouldn’t call you a Tannehomer at all. And just as you get frustrated by people over-criticizing Tannehill, I get frustrated by people over-criticizing Cutler.
We should ALL be rooting for BOTH QBs to succeed for the betterment of our team.
I always root for the team and whoever is playing. 🙂
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THAT’S the way to be!!! 🙂
HERE ARE the three most important factors in building a championship caliber professional football team: 1) ONE of the VERY BEST head coaches in the NFL at that time. In 1970, new Dolphins head coach DON SHULA took essentially the same team that won 3 games in 1969, added WR Paul Warfield from Cleveland in exchange for a #1 draft pick. The result? The Fins SWEPT the hated Jets in 1970, went 10-4 in the process, and narrowly lost a 21-14 game to the Raiders in the playoffs. The difference, according to Griese, Csonka and Buoniconti, was SHULA and his staff of assistants. SHULA’s one year plan for improvement WORKED!!
2) A top notch quarterback. Griese certainly was that. And, at age 38 (in 1972), Morrall certainly still was at least average, if not better than that.
3) A talented GM who can STOCK THE TEAM WITH WINNING PLAYERS. Plain and simple, Joe Thomas was the best GM in Fins history. BOBBY BEATHARD took his place in 1973 and had several very good seasons.
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OF COURSE, you have to have an outstanding owner who is committed to winning and who has a plan to do just that. It was Joe Robbie who put together this winning franchise and who selected Shula and Joe Thomas and, later, Bobby Beathard.
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STEVE ROSS, on the other hand, has selected – – –
Rgs,
You and I seem to be on the exact same page of late: I absolutely agree with you that we should be drafting a QB in ’18. I think it’s time to move on from Matt Moore and find fresh blood to compete with and push Tannehill as his new backup.
I’m not sure I’m willing to draft one early, but that’s just me… I have faith in Tannehill next year, granted we truly fix the O-Line. I’d be VERY happy with Logan Woodside, Toledo, in the later rounds of the Draft.
I don’t think Tannehill will be pushed by a rookie QB. This might be a year where we have a vet backup and a rookie develop on the 53. We’re carrying 3 right now. I’m not against drafting a QB at all. But it doesn’t have to be the 1st rd.
M, I think most of us have been on the same page to a certain degree.😉 Upgrade OL, depth at RB, upgrade TE, and if the opportunity presents itself get a young QB. Whether or not that QB is our future starter is another story. Lol.
One more thing regarding Tannehill and Cutler…
Seems ya can’t say anything good about Cutler, for when ya do, it’s taken as an insult to Tannehill and the Tannehomers… NOT COOL. Cutler is the current QB of our beloved team and we should be rooting for his success and appreciate when he does well.
Why do so many get their panties in a bunch when one gives Cutler props for when he does well? And I’m not just talking about here… I’m talking about Twitter, as well. That’s absolutely contradictory to rooting for your team and it’s disturbing coming from so-called Phin fans.
Not sure what you’re saying. I’ve watched Cutler sucks sentiments go to he’s great and Tannehill who hasn’t played since ARZ of 2016 is a has been ignoring that he started playing at a higher level. Too many fans caught up in contracts and what have you done for me lately.
I would prefer Tannehill/Cutler over Tannehill/Moore but that’s up to Cutler. Draft a young QB as well and roll from there.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
December 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm
He (Quenton Nelson) doesn’t fit our scheme. We don’t play smash mouth football. We are finesse blocking team.
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I think you’re inadvertently stereotyping Nelson due to his size. He’s elite at both pass-protection and run-blocking, and he can actually PULL very well. We’re talking about a very special player in Nelson, who can probably thrive in ANY scheme/system.
Braden Smith looks good, by the way. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we drafted him.
I know it’s only one game but the speed at the next level is more like what he faced vs Miami than it is in college. He looks way too slow to pull at the pro level. I’m not stereotyping him; I’m going off what I’ve seen when I watched him play and I don’t see him fitting our scheme. Our offensive line is like a boxer; stick and move.
The Flying Pig says:
December 14, 2017 at 5:59 pm
You really want to draft a FB!
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HELL YES!
Did you see what Grey lining up at fullback did for the running game?
Now just imagine if you will someone who is a natural at that position and not a TE playing FB!!!!
Flowers also is a very good receiver by the way.
And he also is very good at getting that 1 yard run that seems to be our Achilles heel!
We could add a guy like this and another tailback type. I think Gase would prefer all backs be able to catch.
This is great news!!
Good!!!
Hey Ross, Landry looks awfully good in that throwback uni. #bringbacktheolduniformspermanently
Yeah exactly
Bring back
I have the new unis a chance
But the difference between the new and the old ones is monumental
The new ones look silly honestly
8 TDs. That was the stigma. Scoring. Now he has that under his belt.
He’s also (as they mention in the article) been very professional about it
I just think a player like him doesn’t come along very often
It’s not really just the stats – it’s the heart of the player
Lock him up
Try to find more like him
Mike E. says:
December 14, 2017 at 7:37 pm
Rob
I can’t understand what you’re saying with Parcells working for free. He had a 4 year contract that he was paid in full for, and he left after 2 1/2 years. Explain to me where working for free comes into the equation.
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He was hired by Wayne huzienga, a 4 year deal worth 16 million, he had a contract with an opt out clause, if the team was sold he could opt out and get paid the full contract. he could then sign with another team or join ESPN which he did or go race horses,
not only would he get the money from the dolphins he would be getting paid from other sources as well, he was free of his obligations under his current contract due to the sale of the club.
so essentially if he stayed and did not renew another contract he was working for free.
he didn’t need to run the Dolphins in order to get paid.
in fact he did stay all of the 2009 off season.
if this situation was so unfair then maybe Miami should not have signed that contract.
I don’t blame in for leaving, really he wasn’t qualified as Ross hires only inexperienced help.
WY
I actually thought Grey did a good job ad FB
I’m a fan of a more traditional offense too
But I’m not sure Gass is
I think he’s kind of sold on a 3 WR base
Tim
I also like your idea
Maybe a big HB who can block can also serve as our HB
Does anyone know – can’t Nick chubb do that sort of thing?
Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia
Height: 5-10. Weight: 220.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php#ixzz51IPehbyj
He could put on a little weight i guess?
I’d take him as our bigger back and drop Williams!
Think he can block!
D says:
December 14, 2017 at 7:15 pm
Having an elite level QB is very much part of the winning formula.
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I believe it all starts with being able to control the LOS and running the ball successfully, at that point if your QB is accurate he will put up good numbers due to the opposing D’s attempt to stop the run.
running the ball also keeps your defense fresh and in good spirits and keeps the opposing offense off the field.
ocalarob says:
December 14, 2017 at 2:45 pm
Tannehill has a career 86.5 passer rating, has been sacked 213 times!
sorry but that sucks!
Sorry Rob, go back and read my only kool aid article this offseason. Most all of the acknowledged “elite” qb’s had ratings in the 80’s in their first 5 years. Tannehill was playing at a top 10 level when he got hurt. Right on schedule.
Player Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD TD% Int Rating
Ryan Tannehill 527.40 330.60 62.82 3,691.00 7.06 21.20 4.04 13.20 86.56
Big Rape 381.00 237.80 62.80 2,994.80 8.02 20.20 5.48 13.80 91.26
Matt Ryan 527.40 330.80 62.36 3,791.40 7.20 25.40 4.76 12.00 90.18
Peyton Manning 563.40 349.80 62.06 4,123.60 7.34 27.60 4.92 20.00 85.90
Tom Brady 509.00 315.20 62.00 3,605.80 7.14 24.60 4.86 13.20 88.60
Drew Brees 361.80 225.00 60.82 2,469.60 7.08 16.00 4.32 10.60 86.64
Andrew Luck 530.20 314.00 58.96 3,815.60 7.12 26.40 5.00 13.60 86.26
AVERAGES OVER FIRST 5 YEARS
IMO Tannehill should not be mentioned in that group of QBs, he may never reach their status except for maybe Luck.
no doubt he had a good season last year, a lot of that had to do with a pro bowl #4 in rushing yards former RB. however he was still standing in the pocket for hours like he was herman munster and got sacked 29 times
I know people want to fix the o-line with a guy in the first or second round but I’d be just as happy if we got Roquan Smith and his teammate Lorenzo Carter for our LB unit. I’m not sold on Kiko. He doesn’t have the speed to get to the outside and he can’t cover
You do realize that Kiko and Luke Kuechly have the same amount of INTs over their first 3 seasons, right?
I give this whole Defense a mulligan under 1st-year DC Matt Burke. Give them time to gel. And it should be noted that Kiko has been trying to pick up the slack of Timmons: it’s like he’s been playing 1 1/2 positions all year when Timmons is on the field.
Timmons? He’s playing pretty good.
I’m not sold on Kiko either
But between McMillan and Anthony we have some potential
Potential is good. I want a LB unit that’s the envy of the NFL.
Well a draftee is just potential anyway
true Piggy. but think about the potential with those two and Smith.
I am not fixed on any position
But we are coming off a defensive heavy draft
And the OL clearly needs improvement
I will say that Davis and Larsen seemed pretty solid last week though
But when I get away from OL
I start thinking TE, RB or even QB
LB, that I really pushed for over The last 2 years, has moved down on my priority list
Sign Cutler at end of season. Trade Tannehill to the Browns for their 2nd first round pick. Trade down to get a pick or two extra. Take Roquan Smith and Mark Andrews in the first, Braden Smith in the 2nd and Logan Woodside in the 3rd.
No way!
what don’t you like about it?
Trading Tannehill for a 2nd for starters
Rolling with Jay Cutler instead of tannehill
If you want to part ways with tannehill – just draft a qb and see if that qb is realistically going to be better in ‘19
Then trade one of them in 2019
Don’t throw away your safety net in Tannehill if the draftee doesn’t pan out
Especially for a 2nd
I didn’t say trade Tannehill for a 2nd. I said trade him for Cleveland’s 2nd first round pick.
Oh…oops
I’m still not eager to trade him without knowing we have our new franchise QB in place
And cutler isn’t our franchise QB
Maybe tannehill never gets to another level but I’m rolling with average until I know we have a better piece in place
No draftee is a guaranty
Well, Tannehill hasn’t shown he’s a franchise qb either. there’s NO guarantee he’s the answer either. I think you’re taking a chance no matter what. I’m ready to move on. Of course, I’ve been ready to move on. I think we’ve got just as good a chance with Cutler running the offense as we’ve got with Tannehill and Cutler said he wants to continue to play.
Draft Woodside and let him sit and learn behind Cutler and if he beats him out in camp next year he becomes the starter. If not, you’ve only got a 3rd rd pick at best invested in him and you let him sit another year if Cutler’s signed for 2 yrs.
Of course, this is all speculation but I like to live in fantasy land.
I meant if Woodside beat out Cutler in camp in ’19
take a look at Woodside and my other fav from Toledo, his wr Cody Thompson:
mf13ss says:
December 14, 2017 at 7:34 pm
ocalarob says:
December 14, 2017 at 8:41 am
mf13ss says:
December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm
But with that stated, Tannehill is NOT, NOT chopped liver. His biggest weakness is his lack of pocket-awareness, and that should be addressed by finally getting this O-Line FIXED (BOTH pass-pro and run-blocking)… THAT is the biggest conclusion one should arrive at: it’s ALL about our O-Line.
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I’m not sure it’s all about the OL with Tanny, he doesn’t have a clock, he stands in there way to long, these OL can only block so long. why doesn’t Cutler get sacked as much? you said yourself that his OL was worse than Tannys.
But that’s not even the real argument, the real argument is having to resign Tannehill. I think he will command big $$ is it worth resigning a middle of the road maybe below average QB with a career QB rating of 86 to a multi year 25 mil per contract? especially when you have a veteran QB just as good that wont break the bank.
i say fold on Tannehill and draft another future QB unless of course Gase thinks Fales can be the future and let whomever hold a clip board behind Cutler