(Wedge says something but you can’t hear him)
(Wedge says something again but all you hear is a muffled voice)
(Wedge again says something inaudible moving his hands frantically in the air)
Fine! If I take off the gas mask – can you hear me now? It’s dangerous because I’m working with deadly gas here! I’m developing new gasses that can cloak an entire lunar valley. If I get it right the entire valley will be cloaked and everything will have no choice but to breathe in the deadly gas. And of course they will die…painfully…so I did my job!
If only the Dolphins could cover receivers like that…especially Tight Ends. Am I right?
Well let me introduce you to a solution Derwin James from Florida State University.
The Positives: Once the combine comes around the positives will be on full display. Derwin James is an elite athlete. At 6’3, 211 He has length, size and speed. James is probably going to leave the combine as one of the more notable prospects.
He’s been an athlete for some time. He was a five star recruit in high school before Florida State. Those skills showed up as a freshman. James joined a talented secondary at FSU in 2015 (you might recall a guy named Jalen Ramsey on the Seminoles defense in 2015) and made an immediate impact. 91 total tackles, 9.5 for a loss, 2 forced fumbles and an impressive 4.5 sacks.
But what really jumps out to me is his versatility. James isn’t Ramsey. There won’t be a debate about whether he is a cornerback or safety in this alien’s opinion – he’s undeniably a safety but he’s a real good one.
James can play center field like a traditional free safety. He moves around the field well covering those wide receivers who are running deep. He is also a fearless tackler who can play closer to the line of scrimmage, But he also has the length to play man coverage the way the Dolphins want to play effectively, either on a wide receiver or – and MORE IMPORTANTLY on a big tight end.
The Negatives: From a statistics standpoint his resume has a few holes. For one, his best year was his freshman year. Albeit his 2017 numbers are pretty good too: 84 tackles, 5.5 for a loss and 1 sack – but those numbers aren’t as good as 2015. What about 2016? Well that’s the real hole. He missed a huge part of that season because of injury.
The one thing that jumps our about those stats is that he is not a ball hawk. 3 career interceptions at FSU. I actually personally don’t doubt that he has it in him but the numbers in college just don’t show it.
Recently it seems like James is dropping a little in terms of draft stock. That means very little in January. Guys will rise and fall and in his case, I tend to think he will shoot up draft boards after the combine.
The Alien Dust: I know what you Earthlings are thinking. What? A safety? We have two good ones in Jones and McDonald – what’s the point of adding one at 11? Well here is the idea – you are playing three safeties – yes three at the same time. It’s a substitute to a coverage LB type. You are pretty much playing at least 5 DBs all the time. With hard hitting safeties playing like linebackers.
For the Dolphins, a big part of James’ job is STOP THE TIGHT END, something that seems to be the achilles heal of this defense.
James may be one of the best athletes in the draft. Taking a player like that at 11 might be a difference maker on defense. Of course this little alien floated a similar theory last offseason when I suggested drafting Jabril Peppers. So if you didn’t like that idea – you won’t like this one either.
I think about Derwin James cloaking over Rob Gronkowski and I think – we are going to suffocate the Patriots. Kind of like this gas I am making will suffocate some life form I am about to obliterate.
That’s why if I am comparing James to an Alien Weapon of Destruction, there is no question – James is a set of Suffocating Crater Gas Bombs.
You can check out his highlights here
Finsmob Unleashed 
This offense needs a TE more than a $15M slot WR. Just my opinion.
Can anyone explain why Landry would be so much more valuable than say Julian Edelman? His stats are similar to Landry. Okay Landry is younger and I’ll even say he’s a bit better than Edelman. Edelman signed a 2 year extension for $11M last year I believe. I’ll even say that’s because he was willing to sign up for that because he’s on the Pats and they win all the time.
Bc Landry is here and he fought for this team for 4 years now
Bc he is a Dolphin lifer and we take care of our own
When the next Ryan Clark rejects a free agent contract to take less to stay with Pitt or you actually sign Timmons and he goes AWOL bc he misses Pitt – that is culture. We don’t have that in Miami and we will never if we just rip the heart and souls of our team out every offseason
We need more Landry’s on this team
And to put a much finer point on it. We won’t have players play with that commitment when the FO doesn’t show the same commitment to to them
Edelman would probably catch 16 passes for us in 8 games and sprain his vagina in week 9. Fuck him – Landry is our guy
Lol.
Nobody is saying he isn’t good but he’s not a game breaker. You keep railing on the FO because they may not want to pay a guy what he wants even though his production doesn’t add up to his number. He’s tough as nails, versatile, has great hands and plays hard.
Let’s say he has 97-1,028 10.6 7TD next year. What do you view the value of that? To me it’s more like $10M.
Because that’s what he was willing to sign for….. Its also likely that a lot of teams feel his production in that system exceeds what it would be for them in theirs, but im betting a lot that its the last part of your statement thats the deal. I posted this on the other board before i realized i was talking to myself because a new thread had been started.
“Edelman’s situation is different, the team offers their players more in incentives to stay with the team and give team friendly contracts than others do because they can line every finger on their hand with Superbowl rings. They can fill both hands with conference championship rings, and they can fill a suitcase with division championship ones. Edelman is also a replaceable piece in that machine, just like Welker was before that”
So what im saying is, he had no leverage with the Pats because they can just replace him, he had no real strong drive for other teams to offer him big money because in their system he doesn’t quite fit, and the year he came up for a new contract there was more competition and that drove his market value lower. All combined, it was a smarter move for him to re-sign with a perennial championship team than take bigger money elsewhere. Im sure he would have gotten bigger offers but he didn’t let it go to that, he extended before hitting FA, which also tends to work in negotiating favor of the team, since you have no proof of the market you will be walking into, whereas waiting until the end of the season to work out the details gives you a much better perspective on it and usually shifts the leverage more to the player.
It kind of a cat and mouse game with each side trying to get something closer to their number while not running the risk of losing out completely. I think comparisons of players and all that is used as part of the negotiating strategy but i dont think in any way it can set the players value hard line, because there is atill a lot of that was then and that was him and this is now and this is me to deal with.
But Landry doesn’t really produce any more than Edleman does. To me it’s about production, not emotion.
Don’t undermine the emotional aspect
We need players that give us everything they have to win
Landry has always been that guy
Edelman is really reproducing what other patriot receivers have done. He will stink with us – it’s almost guaranteed. Landry has done what others have not been willing to do
Ever team gets to determine what a player’s value is to them. That has nothing to do with what another team is willing to pay them. The market dictates how much a player can get, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to their value. Some of the best franchises in the league don’t overspend on FAs.
It certainly equates to their value, their market value. It doesnt equate to what the team is willing to or able to spend for that player, which is different than the value. A products value is not set by a persons decision to buy at that price or not. Again, go back to my car example, are you saying that the value of that car is 50K, just because thats what im willing to pay for it?
Piggy,
Loyalty has nothing to do with the NFL anymore. It’s about the Benjamins.
Even in business there is a decoureum that can affect the outcome
Thats right and that’s why market value means something, because a player can get that value for his services from somewhere, and thats why its not about him not having that value, its about you believing we shouldn’t spend that much on a WR. Also im saying you, because so far, i haven’t heard the Dolphins say they dont think he has a value of 12-14mil, only people here.
We haven’t heard the FO say that
And really, reading between the lines, I don’t k is that they even feel that way
I think they are trying to pay him as little as possible even if that means letting him test the market
And to me that’s problematic bc it’s a huge risk to take for a player that has meant so much to this team
D says:
January 19, 2018 at 4:53 pm (Edit)
….Like Piggy was saying too, when you are only off by a mile or two, you really have to question why you wont be the one to reach across the table instead of being obstinate about them being the one that meets you on your side.”
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Yes exactly D
And let me tell why I cyclical pig answers that question
Bc Tannenbaum is playing a game of chicken with our best player
Bc he thinks that is how to get the best result
And it’s a huge risk to take IMO
Bc what you do is you open the door for the player to test the market
And while some one else might not offer 15
What if they offer 14?
Then you match or you let the player go. Either way you screeed yourself
Tannenbaum is a fucking jerk. Even if we keep Landry, I’m pretty sure I’m gonna feel that way
They are playing the teenage flirty game right now and we are doing our best snobby girl impression trying to make us seem uninterested. Every guy knows that there is a little bit of chase we still do in those situations, and thats what they expect, so i think they are expecting to get Landry’s camp to budge and by how much will tell them how interested they are in doing business. Problem is, if the they get tired of that snobby, uninterested act we are putting up, they might just walk off and start talking to come other suitor. We cant play this game for long, because i dont think Landry’s camp needs it to be us that signs him, i mean i think he would prefer it, but i think he is willing to walk to get the right pay.
Ill have to see how things turn out. If we miss out on signing him and what he signs for isnt kinda ridiculous, i think im going to be pretty disappointed in our FO, if we sign him in the next little while, like significantly before FA, and its for a good amount i think im going to be happy, and if it goes down to a bidding war and we still win out ill be OK with it, though i might be disappointed they didn’t try harder when they could have and save some money.
Tim Knight says:
January 19, 2018 at 5:32 pm (Edit)
Nobody is saying he isn’t good but he’s not a game breaker. You keep railing on the FO because they may not want to pay a guy what he wants even though his production doesn’t add up to his number. He’s tough as nails, versatile, has great hands and plays hard.
Let’s say he has 97-1,028 10.6 7TD next year. What do you view the value of that? To me it’s more like $10M.
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Tim I’m not tailing the FO for not giving him whatever he wants
I’m railing them for not communicating
Forget the money. I’m talking about the meeting of the minds that exists in all contracts. You don’t get there wherever you end up without talking
Maybe they are scoffing at his offer like he did to theirs. If the numbers are accurate in what he’s seeking, I’m looking at alternatives and focusing on what we think our cap will be. There are other decisions that have to be made with the cap as well.
This debate seems more emotional for some than production based. I’m looking at it as if I was a GM, not because he’s my favorite player and I have his jersey. LOL
Tim
If you don’t like his offer – you tell him no
Ignoring some one is usually a bad idea
It’s like saying a fan favorite and best player on a baseball team who hits .320 20 HR, 90 RBI, 100 RS should get what the best player in baseball does who hits .335 50 HR, 145 RBI, 120 RS.
Landry is a very good player but everyone should be more realistic. We’re not going to get the bang for the buck with him if he’s in that $14-15M range so be prepared for that.
I would pay Landry 20m just to watch him ruin Bills players careers 😳
The Flying Pig says:
January 19, 2018 at 4:43 pm
when you hear that Landry’s agent made an offer in Mid December
And the Dolphins have not responded
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Please correct me if i’m wrong but didn’t Landry inform Miami last off season that he would not consider any negotiations during the season? isn’t mid December still “the season”.
if so then why is his agent submitting an offer during “the season”?
I don’t know about that. I don’t think that’s right. Last few weeks of the season I think they reupped the efforts to resign him.
the mid December information I’m talking about comes from a recent Mando article
That is correct.
Tim
You think Edelman will do this for us?
no he’s to busy catching brady’s dink and dunks.
if you pay Landry, with SUH and Tanny; you now have 3 players with max deals, what does this do to your future? is a slot rec worth taking hits in other areas due to not having cap space?
We may have to cut Alonso, Branch or Pouncey within a couple of years
Don’t everyone reach for their hankies at once 😛
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-jarvis-landry-negotiations-20170710-story.html
I’d rather pay 2 OL $8M a year than pay Landry $15M. Does that surprise anyone? Lol
Which 2?
We already have 10m in Pouncey
Show me the difference maker that gets us to the postseason for 6m
You are going to need 11m+ to sign an OT that can be at least argued to be too 10
Probably less for an OG but there are no sure things when you bring in a new free agent
ORob,
Tanny is paid like a top 3-5 QB, but nobody cares because he’s a QB. Isn’t he in the top 5 in the whole league as far as base salary?
He’s 12th for QBs.
he’ll make 19,8 this year assuming Miami doesn’t draft Mayfield and dump him with a 4.6 cap hit or restructure,
Tim,
I just looked at Spotrac. It says he’s 5th in the whole league in base salary….right in front of Suh at #6. Maybe i’m reading things wrong.
This is based on an average per year
He’s very much middle of the pack
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
Piggy,
Most fans undervalue OL all the time, even while they say everything starts up front…but they don’t want to pay them. Lol
OTs are paid very well though
We happen to have a high paid center on our team which is. It the norm
My point is – landry is in front of you now
With whatever his contract is
It’s not like we are picking between OL and Landry right now
I don’t think we are going to go out and buy FA OL with any money we don’t spend on Landry
Piggy,
What does this mean, then?
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/base/
That’s one year
The one I posted is average per year over the course of the contract
Although I admit, I didn’t even know he was top 5 next year –
Top 5 in what?
top 5 salary
he’s 4th next year
2nd in 2020
Hmm, he was number 2 this past year too.
That’s just how his contract is constructed and he’s in the 4th year of it. $45M guaranteed. His contract was very friendly for a 2nd contract starter.
Tannehill’s contract is below the average going rate for the 2nd contract for a starter.
He also has a friendly out for the team. His contract is now based on performance here on out.
Randy, im sorry man but you are old, your farts spray talcum powder, your nose and ear hair is more plentiful than whats on that noggin and football has changed so much you are missing the average price of OL these days. 8 mil per isnt going to get you a top OG and definitely not a top OT. You are looking on average at 12-18mil a pop for OL depending on their caliber and the MARKET VALUE for the year they are a FA.
8mil per you are going to wind up with a fairly average maybe a little bit better than average OL who may or may not live up to those statuses. You have no clue whether they work out or not, or you can keep the player that has been your most productive offensive weapon, a guy who has proven year in and year out he can be counted on for production. I know we need OL help, but we have never picked up an OL in FA that has ever done anything for us. The reason is the guy that’s worth getting is going to be under heavy demand and we would have to pay a ton for him and still its a gamble.
Kelechi Osemele was the top OG 2 years ago when he was a FA, he got almost 12mil per, and he hasn’t been that good for the Raiders. Joel Bitonio had a great year up until he got his 10mil per 5 year contract, and this year sucked. Zeitler got stolen away in FA, 12mil per, and has been really awful for the Browns. OL is one of the places that i believe is a money pit in FA, very much a gamble and its very very expensive to try to settle your OL issues there.
For what its worth i believe that WR is a position that has become like RB where picking up a dude in the draft is as good as whatver you may lose in FA other than the experience the person has in the system. So to me, RB im not paying over 7mil per, and a WR probably no more than 10mil per. Why then would i pay Jarvis 12-13? because of his intangibles and what he means to the continuity of the team. Especially with Tanny coming back from a year off, Landry is important to keep continuity on the offense. I think he is way more important to our team than just being the best slot receiver in the NFL or being a good punt returner, etc. He is really a good part of the heart and soul of the team and that really shouldn’t be overlooked when squabbling over a couple mil difference of opinions.
Oh and if it wasn’t apparent, i was joking about the old, i mean you are, but i hope your farts dont spray talc because that would be very embarrassing if you tried to sneak one out in a movie theater
Piggy, the emotional aspect I mentioned was about fans losing him and being mad at the team for not keeping him.
Stills was being reported at $12-13M and he signed for $8M. Let’s hope the same type of thing happens. He also wanted to be here.
12-13 was what Still was angling for, but his market wasn’t that high. I heard he did take a lesser offer to stay with us, but i think the max offer that was reported that he got was a 9 per amount.
Not at this time last year. I’m comparing scenarios. Landry doesn’t know what his market is yet either. It might be $11.5M. We can use the transition tag to test the market. That’s what it’s there for.
If the team messes this up – we should be mad at them. If they get him for a discount – we should praise
I don’t think its as simple as saying some one paid him 15M so we have no reason to be upset at the FO
the reality is the FO allowed him to test the market if that happens
Or he turned down what they offered and wants to target the best offer possible on the market thinking it’s higher. It works both ways. That’s business. Remember all the rookie holdouts and they didn’t even play a down.
D,
I know! That’s why I hate this cap shit. Lol
LMFAO @ Piggy (Edelman sprains his vagina) That was fucking great!
What are you guys reading where Tannehill is 2nd in salary? No he’s not.
Randy posted it
I just looked at it and no he’s not. I stopped after he wasn’t even 5th. LOL
If you just click on the link Randy posted he is 5th
And then if you change the year to 2017 he is 2nd
But its base salary
My understanding is Tannehill is middle of the pack like you said, so there is some discrpency somewhere that I can figure out
When i looked at the overall contracts and where Tanny ranks i dont really think his contract is over valued or undervalued. He is sitting in between a set of people who make more than him, but the majority of them have at least a trip to the Superbowl, if not a ring, and a group of people who are hit or miss get us in the playoffs guys.
I will say out of those above him and below him, his resume is fairly weak compared to most of them. I dont think we have a bargain situation at QB, but i also dont really think we are QB poor in the sense that we are really overpaying at the position.
If he wants to really earn his paycheck,he needs to pick up where he left off and get us back in the playoffs. His contract says we should be consistently knocking on the door of the playoffs for his contract to be where it is supposed to be. Yes there is a team needed to make the playoffs, but im sorry you get judged as a QB by how well your team does and the QB’s on either side of him contract wise reflect that in their pay.
Tim,
I just posted a link to salaries. I have no idea what he makes or where he ranks next year. In 2018, it said he had the 5th highest base salary in all of football. I have no idea if that’s accurate. I don’t know a lot about this salary crap. They’re all overpaid! Lol
His contract was never considered a big franchise number or the way it was constructed wasn’t like he’s Peyton Manning. They could cut him now and take a $4.6M cap hit and walk away. Next year $2.3M. His contract right now is performance based. This is where Ryan needs to prove he can help lead a team into the playoffs and compete for a championship. Win a playoff game, be in the mix of it all. I’m sure he realizes that too.
Stafford averages $27M …..
If you just average out the contract, RT17 is 16th in the league for QBs……
Depends how you look at it I guess
I thought you guys always said it’s the base salary that matters? I’m confused and out of my element. Time to back to looking at player videos.
My feeling is the only thing that matters is how much cap space a player takes
Base salary is important, but its only part of what they are paid that year. Some of those guys on the list might actually get paid more that year than Tanny even though they are lower ranked on the base salary list because their guaranteed money/bonuses that year might have been more.
Tim you were looking at the overall contract and Randy’s link was to a year by year base contract numbers analysis. So his base salary each of those years was ranked 5th, 4th, etc ,etc
I was talking about 2018 and on. Not in the past. His contract was an extension on his rookie contract so he got paid little in 2015 and 2016, then it jumped in 2017. His contract overall is not top 10.
And they got pushed down a slot since Stanford got his deal.
Stafford
$92M guaranteed.
I don’t think they’re avoiding Landry at the moment. With all of the changes going on with the staff Gase and company have to answer two questions before they counter offer. They have to decide if paying Landry is worth the investment on one hand and on the other they must decide how the hell they’ll explain letting our best draft pick since Jason Taylor walk out the door.
Just sign him already
Landry has to sign an offer. If you look at his career numbers, I don’t know how in the world he can point to Julio Jones and Antonio Brown money. How about be realistic, Jarvis. You’re going to get paid well at the end of the day. But you’re not on that level.
Antonio Brown and Julio Jones are 16-17 million though
That’s not even what he wants
But I don’t think 13-14 is crazy for him
And by 2020 that will probably be the 50th highest paid wr anyway…lol
I think $10-12M is what it should be but I know it will be more. Why can’t he be viewed as what he is and stop acting like that’s chump change? 5-$50M or 5-$60M isn’t a slap in the face.
Stills was 4-$32M and he averaged 8 less yards per game and 3 less TDs than Landry. Stills had 9 TD last year. Maybe we throw that short stuff to Landry too often. It hasn’t exactly resulted in a great TOP or scoring offense.
Landry is like the only guy we have that actually gets pissed off when we’re sucking
Drake the helmet thrower too
Totally agree. I love the attitude. I wish we had more guys that cared
I fart dust
🐖💨
So what do you guys think of the coaching changes and what it means?
I think discipline might be a part of it.
It better be. We have to cut the penalties at least in half.
Shawn Jefferson loves Landry and he just got promoted soooo…
That means we’ll sign Landry
He was also the one who supposedly pounded the table for Carroo.
Now we have only a couple of guys who care? Oy!
I think that’s a really unfair view of a lot of players because of a bad season.
Tim they were having DJs at practice. Not enough guys cared
I didn’t say anything about caring at all I just said he gets pissed off. I like that.
Okay semantics. Landry adds a lot of value to the team. But at what price? I mean we all know what he does and doesn’t do. $12M per let’s make it happen. 🙂
Then add a TE and get the running game going consistently which will make 3rd down more manageable and set up play-action passing down the field. Tannehill is better in that role as QB. He averaged 29.9 PPG last year and had his most efficient season. In the 3 prior seasons not counting his rookie season he was at just about 37 PPG. That’s not who he is. Get the ball to playmakers on the ground and high percentage passes, then add to it with his skill and athleticism. He’s not a shotgun and throw all day QB. I’m telling you use him like the 49ers used Montana. A lot of movement and take a few shots.
I’ll be the Pats don’t play music like Miami does at practice.
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One thing Dowell Loggains mentioned: Adam Gase is working past 2am in his office trying to fix this. Regular season is eight months away.
I think it goes back to what sort of leadership you have. If you have guys who hate to lose and practice like it matters, certrain things just won’t be tolerated. It’s the much talked about “culture” that’s cultivated on a team. There’s always leadership in a group…but what kind is it?
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The biggest thing i’d like to see change is the consistency of discipline throughout the whole team…including coaches. It’s been a problem for a while. If that doesn’t change, we’ll never win anything anyway.
Agreed and I think that’s what the coaching changes were about. New blood and now more handpicked by Gase. Sometimes people get complacent. I’ve done it. Maybe he felt there was too much lax in his staff and maybe Foerster started it.
False starts, encroachment and shenanigans need to be cut in half as Son said. It really made other struggles so much worse.
The discipline thing would be good because we all know the team needs it but the team also needs to buy in to what these guys are selling. Hopefully it all works out.
Piggy,
Good stuff earlier. I also don’t understand our FO. They didn’t play this game with Alonso and he’s not even a very good LB. They jumped at the chance to overpay Branch. Their negotiating tactics sound like they don’t know what they are doing. They spent all of last offseason saying they rewarded their own…and then crap all over Landry when he wants too much. Not very good negotiation tactics for future players to watch. There’s a reason Jacksonville suddenly exploded this year…Tom Coughlin and a new found professionalism.
Branch isn’t overpaid. Why do people keep saying that?
No idea. Neither is Alonso.
Look at our defense and think about how many games this group has played together. I bet it averages less than 2 years.
Bc his cap hit is 10m!!!
you’re looking at the cap hit when the avg is $8m/yr. and only $16.8M of the $24M is guaranteed. that’s not a lot of money for a DE. Yes, Branch had a rough season but if he doesn’t have to limp thru another season this year he should do much better.
I, for one, would much rather be paying Branch $10M this year than paying OV $17M.
Picking top 5 and 10 for a decade is why JAX is where they’re at. Don’t forget all the other picks besides 1st rd.
I love this scene:
I think our defense has a chance to make a big leap in 2018. On offense to me it’s about if Tannehill is good to go and ready to continue his ascension or does he take a step back? That changes everything for 2019.
The OL and TE has to be better if we want to progress on offense. If our OL is better in the run game Drake could be a monster. Give him some quality backups and we’re fine. LOL
In order for the defense to take a big jump they need to add two key players and the offense needs to be a lot more consistent in scoring points and moving the ball.
A 25 point offense and this defense as is to me is good enough to be back in the playoffs and compete. They got very little support from the offense this year. Like pretty bad. The coaching changes highlight that. Even DL and DB coaches let go on defense. We know who the likely DL coach will be though not yet official, any word on the DB coach?
Pro Lou,
For his production, he was overpaid. 4.5 sacks, 23 tackles for the 16th highest paid DE in the league by average pay. He was definitely not worth the $9 mill this year.
He missed 2 games and was playing hurt down the stretch for another 3-4 games. He was playing well before he got banged up. Along with hayes going down is why Harris and Fede started playing more. Not a lot went right for this team this year.
Actually, he wasn’t playing that well. He had 3 of his 4.5 sacks by game four and completely disappeared in a lot of games.
because he played hurt most of the season.
yes he was.
I’m glad you agree.
someone tell me again the other wr’s weren’t doing their jobs. Stills was:
Jarvis Landry: 112 receptions , 987 yds, 9td’s, 40+ rec: 1, 20+ rec: 6, 1st dwns: 60, 1st dwn %: 53.6%
Kenny Stills: 58 recepts, 847 yds, 6 tds, 40+ rec: 2, 20+ rec: 14, 1st dwns: 36, 1st dwn %: 62.1
Did we only use 2 WRs all year? No wonder we failed so bad.
pretty much
Parker next at 57-670 11.8 1TD. Missed 3 games and played much of the season not at 100% which is becoming common for him. It sucks, he’s talented.
Guys we lost Tannehill and played 3 QBs this season from it okay to bad. End of story. The OL also was a turnstile once again. TE mediocre at best. New defense though everyone ignores that. LOL
Here’s your receiving stats. What do you make of it?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins
I don’t know why Gase is in his office until 2am trying to fix this thing when all he has to do is read this blog everyday.
Awesome!
D’s posts do take some time to read and digest . . .
That’s because he fills them with hair and plastic.
I see a bigger focus on the run game and short passing game becoming the bread and butter and set up taking some shots down the field. The Pats win not because Brady throws amazing passes. They run for 3-4, throw for 3-4 and run or throw for 3-4. They make the game manageable. The big plays will happen along with the deep throws. As the game goes on it becomes 6-8. We’ve seen it too many times. Do what they do. Your defense can be middle of the road and win if you score points.
Landry’s agent taking backhanded shots at RT17….this is getting good.
Do you have a link? I’d like to see what he’s saying. Without reading it though, it reminds me of when Brandon Marshall was out the door, and talked about playing for a real QB after Matt Moore got him into the Pro Bowl that he was speaking from
“The best thing about his production is he’s a guy who’s done a lot with little” , Bilbo said. “Like people want to talk about Davante Adams. He played with Aaron Rodgers. You talk about Julio Jones. He played with Matt Ryan. Antonio Brown. He played with Ben Roethlisberger”.
This is the excerpt from the agent’s comments.
Bring Vontae back too
The new practice bubble has extra bathrooms, so now it would be fine
Thanks Lou, and honestly, who could argue that? Roethlisberger , Rodgers and Ryan all have thrown over 35 TD’s in a season and are elite QB’s, while Ryan Tannehill isn’t in that stratosphere.. Still, he can’t criticize Tannehill for not getting him the ball enough though.
Oops, Ben never racked up 35, but has thrown more than 30 (32)
The Patriots average 28 ppg. That’s 4 TDs.
That’s 64 TDs in a yr. (YIKES)
Brady throws 32.
So they get 2 from him each game and 2 elsewhere.
Their Defense gives up 18 ppg. 2 TDs and a FG.
Their winning margin is thus 10 ppg.
That gets 12 Ws.
We need that as our goal.
If tannehill doesn’t know he isn’t on the same level as Ryan, Rogers or Rothliaberger he’s not only a tier or 2 below those guys – he’s stupid
I’m sure tannehill understands the statement
It’s honestly not that bad
But alas this shrimp OC is excited about working with Ryan and is going to make him great.
A butcher, a Baker a touchdown maker
That’s just standard “Agent-talk” trying to raise his client’s paycheck (so he can get a bigger payday also).
It’s the agent’s job to make excuses for his client’s shortcomings, which in Landry’s case is lack of TDs (in the past).
and you do it by trashing players on the team.
So if we need 32 TD passes, who catches them?
WRs-18 Or 16
TEs-8 Or 10
RBs-6 Or 8
Depending on Offense design and skills of personnel.
(Gase likes passing to RBs and Drake is good at catching passes, for example)
Not Landry they’ll piss him off and he leaves. We’ll have Tannehill to Caroo. Won’t that be fun?
Caroo in college was a TD machine and has caught one for us in very limited reps.
Then we will need 32 Rushing/ST/Defensive TDs,
and this is where things get to seem impossible for the Dolphins.
You get a ton of points off field goals over the course of the year. I’d say 6-9 points a game.
RB1-8 RUSHING TDs
RB2-6 RUSHING TDs
RB3-2 RUSHING TDs
which we have definitely not been getting. And we are still only halfway there.
So we kick 2 FGs per game. (Fist Pump)
That is one less TD needed. 3 times 16 games is still 48 TDs.
So between that and kick and punt returns and pick sixes, we make our goal only needing either 30 passing TDs and 14 rushing TDs or some combination like that.
We are still a long way from even seeing who those players are.
Kenny Stills played with Brees. He’s not too bad in Miami.
There’s nothing wrong with Leonte Carroo that taking the butt plug out of Gase’s ass wont’ fix.
I think Caroo could be at least Rishard Matthews, which would be fine.
I don’t fear any one particular player leaving this team and significantly changing it’s fortunes at this point. There’s really nobody who is a game changer that we can’t live without. It would be a different story if we were talking Marino leaving to go somewhere else but that’s not what we’re looking at here.
agreed … Landry is steady and exciting but has not translated into playoffs by himself
So some people out there saying Davenport could be the next Aldon Smith.
quite a leap though from San Antonio to the NFL.
qb Now there’s a mock with us taking Josh from Wyoming at #11. Unless Tannehill can’t play in 2018, i think that would be a monumental waste of a pick.
I want to bring our talent level up at TE, LG, Edge rusher first.
That would translate into more victories if we had new quality starters at those 3 spots.
Then we could get a INT guy at FS and move McD into coverage LB. (as an example)
that should be QB Josh Allen
(not sure how I mangled that post)
We must get more sacks, or QBs will continue to throw downfield on us.
We must get more push from our interior line, or well, duh, there’s no rushing TDs or short yardage..
And we must threaten opposing LBs with our TE, or they are free to blitz us, plug RB lanes, and get into our WR patterns in the middle of the field.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 21 (BUF): Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (B)
Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF): Billy Price, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 10: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 3 Pick 9: Anthony Averett, CB, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 11: Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL) (A)
Round 4 Pick 32: Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 6 Pick 9: Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (A)
Round 7 Pick 5: Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (A+)
This is awesome, but why would Buffalo do that? Why would they trade us 2 firsts for 1?
Even if they are QB hungry, that is too rich a payoff to move to #11. They could swap those to TB or Chicago who don’t need QBs.
Arguably there is not a team who needs a first round QB after the jests until MAYBE Arizona.
In terms of hitting our needs I think you nailed it
Except it would be nice to see a RB
I know the edmunds talk is picking up steam
He looks like a great LB and I would be excited about the player
But I also don’t think he helps us in pass coverage – at least not in 18
Despite the fact that he is a good LB, and might be a really good piece for some defense – I’m not sure he helps our weakness out and he might not be the guy we are eyeing IMO
We need a productive TE so badly. Honestly, Landry could be more effective playing just like he does now, if there was a legitimate TE that could BLOCK, and also be a threat downfield. Landry would do more damage on short passes, although he wouldn’t be targeted as much with a good TE here.
New draft….same obvious need at TE. Every draft Son and I and others get a mancrush on some TE in the first (and some of those have worked out on their new teams and some not). Not like we haven’t tried though in FA…but none of those have worked out. TE and G…..
I’m not scared of any player leaving but see Landry leaving as a monumental waste. There’s still a ;lot of angry people over Ajayi and he’s got severe limitations as a RB and was easily replaceable. I don’t see that with Landry. He’s far superior to Edelman and about as important as Baldwin for Seattle. He was good enough to be a 2nd rounder and is by far the best we’ve had since Surtain…twenty years ago.
How do you replace that? With another high pick or one of the players that was a garbage time option. Mr. Ten Career Reception Dude in twp years of play. Impact right there. So good that when Parker is always injured, you still don’t get the call up. Or we could make another hole in the roster and hope for the best…because we did a fantastic job of that last year…
We need a productive TE like we’ve needed one for over a decade…but we want to move one of our biggest success stories of the past decade…because he keeps a dirty locker and wants to be paid. Yep, top notch negotiation, right there.
You replace it with an offense that utilizes multiple weapons. You spread the ball around. Like Tim said, everyone’s trying to reinvent the wheel and all you need to do is look at what NE does. They’re throwing like dink and dunk passes all day long and moving the ball. I’m sorry but we could have the best offensive line in football and if nothing about the design of the offense changes it won’t matter who is playing wr.
Utilizing multiple weapons eh? Drake is a weapon, we don’t have a TE, Stills is a weapon, Grant is a weapon, Parker and Carroo are bench weapons
You can’t do that with OL pre-snap penalties every drive because after your first dink your 2nd and 5-6 turns into 2nd and ten-11 and then your dink gets you to 3rd and 5-7 which is just beyond the dink, and they can put the picket fence Defense at the line to gain and 2/3 of the time make the tackle and get off the field.
You can’t put Parker and Carroo in the same boat. Parker had 57 catches.
Pro Lou,
I completely agree except I just don’t trust our guys up top. I was thinking last night why I cared so much about Landry and then I remember all the bad deals they’ve done(just this latest group). I’m willing to give Gase a chance but our FO is very hit and miss.
Our OL has been a disaster for years. A very expensive, high draft pick disaster. It seems like finding a great TE is as likely as winning the lotto. Our DL is expensive and has low impact. Our LBs and secondary have been an issue for a while too. We have some really good players but the total package? Only good when we have a very weak schedule. So…just not good enough.
Tannenbaum has been here since 2015. Grier has been GM since 2016 along with Gase as HC. Not sure what they have done in such a short period of time that you can’t trust them. You could argue that they’re just getting started trying to turn this team around. Also it seems people ignore that we went 10-6 and made the playoffs in 2016. This season was bad no doubt, but it doesn’t mean we can’t turn it around in 2018.
I’ll agree that our brass has screwed the pooch multiple times but if Gase is as good a coach as everyone gives him credit for he can find other guys who can make plays and get the ball to them.
If they design the offense the right way and utilize more guys it makes it much more difficult for defenses to prepare for us. As of right now, they know we’re throwing the ball to Landry the most and it doesn’t seem to scare them much. If they don’t change the way they’re doing things on offense it won’t matter if we keep Landry or not.
Landry will be the modern day equivalent to our undefeated team. We keep saying “yeah, but we’re still the only undefeated team in history” even after going 6-10. So every year we can go 7-9 or 8-8 and keep missing the playoffs but take comfort in the fact that we have the wr who led the league in receptions over his first eight years.
LOL @ your last sentence.
All signs point to Gase not keeping things the same on offense. He hasn’t been happy with the offense since he’s been here and it’s his job to fix it.
I think we got a preview of some of the changes before Williams went down. How we started to use him and Drake in the passing game as receivers was refreshing to see. High percentage throws that can go for chunk yards. We really need a TE threat to add to that.
Tim,
Maybe so. It’s frustrating when one of the guys we want most…is an OG at #11. After maybe removing a RT who we got at #19. And hoping a OC we got at #16 can still put together 16 games. And getting a LT last year at #13. Seems like we can;t coach talent or find it . I’m not sure which.
I’m as frustrated about the OL as you and many others are. It’s gotta get fixed. Let’s hope we have better luck with health and we find some solutions at guard. A quality TE is also a must.
If they move on from James I think the only reason they do that is bc they think Davis can plays RT
I get your point though
If you are just selecting guys bc you have up on some one else – it’s just stupid
If we are going to address OL early in the draft – I feel much better about it if they are building off the players we already have rather than being a makeover
I don’t think it will be a makeover, but there will be some new personnel. There has to be. We also have a new OL coach who is highly respected as a good young coach. Let’s hope they finally fix this shit! LOL
The “teabag” is the most impressive defensive play, IMO.
lol
as far as fixing what is wrong, i asked Gase why there are so many WRs as free runners mid to deep due to miscommunication or blown assignments, so he fired Anarumo.
Check.
I asked him to fix why Suh has low impact and our run D sucks, so he fires coach Williams.
Check.
I question the amount of run game, so he brings an OC who has had a thousand yard rusher the last three years.
Check.
I curse the OL year after year except the playoff year, so he fires that guy and brings back the guy who coached OL when we went to the playoffs.
Check.
I wonder why we have so many nagging injuries that can’t get back to full strength.
He fires the trainer.
Check.
I’m pleased with Gase’s off-season moves so far.
Those are good points. i’m actually happy he’s increased the size of his staff. Obviously something wasn’t getting through to the players and everyone knows how poorly disciplined they were. Hopefully these guys fix some issue.
Gase definitely hasn’t been complacent since the end of the season. Also add Eric Studesville as RBs coach and running game coordinator. Things can’t remain the same with all these changes. Whether or not it works out well is yet to be seen, but can’t blame him for trying to change things up.
And he created a position for Clyde where he can play with his Legos full time now.
LOL
and then throw a hilarious presser.
I’m going to warn you guys now
Wedge is about to go on a streak of looking at SEC Running backs (and I will probably work in a couple of other RBs from other conferences)
There just seems like a lot of good RBs this year from the SEC
How about TEs?
Wedge will get to them
Give the alien time, he’s new to the planet
Miami Guice
I would love to have this guy.
I want to have a 1-2 punch at RB that rolls up yardage.
That is how Atlanta opens it up for Ryan and they score tons.
Or if we re-sign Landry
“Guice and Juice”
Gase said he still prefers a RB by committee so you will probably get your wish.
This is my fave though.
Sony and Kenyan would be interchangeable and we could have two thousand yard backs like the Saints just did.
Bo knows Fullback too if we get this guy.
Dick Stocton calling the Phins 1st preseason game 2018: “and the first play of the game is a bubble screen to Landry”. lol
“2nd down and 8”
False start, 2nd and 13.
lol. yep
Bringin the luggage.
He’s in my top 5 as well.
is he coming out this year after that injury?
I think so – I don’t know actually
i think he has never been the same after the injury, but maybe just needs more time to heal.
I thought Damien Harris is returning or he would have been on the list too
Couple of non SEC rbs (other than Barkley who will go early) worth looking at too
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231 pounds … we could go the Derrick Henry exotic smashmouth paradigm
Ballage is not garbage despite Arizona State’s big problems.
6’3 229
Another huge guy who thinks he emulates LeVeon Bell’s style.
GET THIS GUY.
I don’t know anything about how many Myles this guy has run.
Akrum
might be smallish, but has a big heart and make ya miss moves
I said it the other night here he’s a really poor, deeply in debt man’s version of Barry Sanders
He runs like Sanders – but no one is as good as sanders
How about some names lazy Wedge?
Gonna make you guess🐷👽
I have ID’d them all for you guys already.
M13’s guy
He looks so slim but he’s listed as 225 right?
Yeah maybe more like 220
He’s really a great athlete
I thought Bryce is staying in school as well.
That’s not Bryce Love that’s Ronald Jones and he has declared
oo my bad … and Ronald Jones is very very FAST right?
That’s what I hear
I’m curious to see his 40
But Reggie Bush comparisons for the USC back have been made
6.9 yds a carry
nice number
this is my fave for mid-late rounds.
My favorite is Guice
I just like the way his runs
Like a maniac
He’s my second fave after Sony or maybe it’s a tie.
Sony is good
But I’m a sucker for players hat fight for every inch
Guice runs like a crazed man
I like really scrappy players
And Tannehill is sacked. 3rd and 20.
So they pass to Landry 6 yards out and hope he fights for the first.
He fights and gets a 15 yd unsportsman like so it’s
4th and 29
The Dolphins will punt from their own 3. Not a good start for the Dolphins offense today. LOL
yeah, when he goes from the eye rolls to the neck rubs he’s getting irritated. lol
Naples
I just checked and Pettway has declared for the NFL draft
k … had read where you know he might’ve wanted to return to raise his profile as he has been off the radar.
But hey Wedge
You got me jonesin’ for some RB now fo’ sure.
This year has so many good ones. I count 11 that I would be proud to have on my team.
And you did not even dangle the “Saquon drops to pick #11” temptation. If he does would you not run your card full-speed to Goodell with your tongue hanging out?
And he created a position for Clyde where he can play with his Legos full time now.
LMAO
Naples, Re: above, I know Bills wouldn’t do that trade but FirstPick offered, sooooo. LOL
Hey the Bills were High Stupid in the past,so it’s possible.
And your use of the picks is perfect!
PS
Did you see the snow pix of ChuckTown?
the airport? King Street? Wow that was weird looking
Yeah, that was crazy. My sister still lives there and sent me some picks. I was hoping to get some here the other day but it kind of fizzled out once it got east of Mobile, AL as far as getting anything on the coast. It ended up being just cold as shit. Back to normal winter temps here now so it is nice.
Akrum Wadley would be an interesting pick. He’s a little smaller than i’d like, but, if used right, he could be useful. He’s a scat back who can catch the ball. He’d fit into what NE does.
BeetleGUICE BeetleGUICE BeetleGUICE
Shit, I broke the blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUS4TpBry6c
has anyone noticed how Jeff Ireland is plucking stars out of the draft for New Orleans? How can this be????
He’s not the GM, not sure why everyone seems to be giving him all the credit. Perhaps the Miami media trying to stir shit up. LOL
Well isn’t everyone supposed to improve? You stay in a job you should get better at it over the years….
Ireland landed some good players in Miami. He wasn’t good at building a team though.
Ireland was just too cute in trying to outsmart everyone. He liked to sign the big money guys and offset it by his “acorns”. Fail.
The good ole acorns. Maybe he always thought they would hatch. LOL
He couldn’t even get his chia pet to grow…
Seems like he’s a good one.
He also plays STs so he brings extra value to a team that drafts him.
I’d have no problem if we drafted him. He’d add more speed and youth at LB.
It doesn’t have to be OL at #11. What ultimately has to happen is we need to upgrade the OL however it’s done. Even if we rool with some of the guys we already have, the performance needs to be better.
You’re on the clock and you have a choice between two prospects you have rated equally at their respective positions. Who do you take at #11 in these scenarios?
QB/OL
OL/LB
LB/DB
Who do you take @ R1P11 if we land, say, LG Andrew Norwell and LB Tahir Whitehead via FA?
OL
OL
LB
That’s not the game. Mom, he’s doing it again and changing the rules. LOL
I think QB @ 11 is a wasted pick. JMO
You can get some talent later that QB whisperer Gase should be able to develop.
He’s all in on RT17, so I don’t see them drafting one @ 11. I also don’t think it will be a BPA situation anyway
You think the QBs all go before us?
You know who could be a target as a backup QB is Blaine Gabbert. He’s similar in style and athleticism with Tannehill. Maybe he competes with Fales for #2 and draft a developmental QB better than Doughty.