Since many Dolphins fans seem super concerned with the depth we currently have at the running back position, and since FA precedes the draft, let’s take a look at who is available that can help our team, and make it less urgent to have to draft 1 or 2. Right now we have Kenyan Drake and whatever. No offense to Senorise Perry or De’Veon Smith, but neither of those are likely to be on a 46 man roster on game day next season, unless we have injuries. I think we can all pretty much agree that Adam Gase runs at minimum a 2 back system, and I’d even say he would like 3 backs he can count on.
In Denver as the OC in 2013, he used the trio of Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman, basically to 2:1 ratio down the line. Moreno had 241 carries, Ball had 120, and Hillman had 55 carries. The following season, it was C.J. Anderson who was the lead back with 179 carries, then Ronnie Hillman with 106 and Montee Ball with 55. Not quite a 2:1 ratio, but close enough that you know who the featured back is.
In 2015, Gase went to Chicago as OC for the Bears. A similar pattern existed there, with Matt Forte getting the majority of the carries, 218, and then Jeremy Langford a closer 2nd with 148, and then Ka’Deem Carey with 43 rushing attempts. While the top 2 backs shared a little more evenly, it’s obvious who the feature back is, and regardless of how good the 2 backs are, he still likes to use a 3rd back.
As HC with the Dolphins, Gase leaned heavily on his newfound success story, 2015 5th RD draft pick. To be fair, Arian Foster went down early in the season, and Gase was kind of pushed into going with Ajayi. Drake had always been a complimentary back at Alabama. His Freshman season, he was 3rd on the depth chart behind Eddie Lacy and T.J. Yeldon. In 2013, Drake was a distant 2nd to T.J. Yeldon, but far ahead of Derrick Henry. In 2014, due to injuries, it was Yeldon and Henry. In ’15 for Alabama, it was the Derrick Henry show, with a drop of Kenyan Drake sprinkled in, Henry carried 395 times, Drake has a meager 77 carries. In fact, the most carries Drake ever had in college was 92. On the other hand, Ajayi was a workhorse at Boise St. and the only reason he was there for MIA in the 5th RD in 2015 was due to concern on deteriorating knee issues.
So now that I’ve made it clear Gase has never relied solely on one feature running back, and prefers to spread carries around, who’s out there for us? For sake of reason, I’m not including any of the ridiculous salaried players like Le’Veon Bell, but more reasonable alternatives.
Dion Lewis 5’8 195 27YO
Forget that Lewis was a NE Patriot, he’d be a good fit for what we like here. He’s a very good receiver out of the backfield, and he would be a good 2nd option for Drake. He proved he could carry the ball when the pats were beset with injuries to Mike Gillislee, Rex Burkhead and James White, accounting for over 150 multipurpose yards in game 15, and over 130 in the final game. Lewis finished the season with 180 rushes and 896 yards and 6 rushing TD’s. He also caught 32 passes for 214 yards and 3 TD’s, giving him 9 total TD’s. Picking up Lewis also takes a player away from NE, and while we know they will replace him, it still stings for a moment. Oh, and Lewis was born in Brooklyn, he’s my goombah, hey fuggetaboutit! Spotrac says $5M per for Lewis
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Damien Williams 5’11 211 25YO
We all know Damien Williams, he’s a known quantity, playing here in MIA for the last 4 years. We also know Adam Gase likes Damien Williams, and that Damien Williams likes Adam Gase. Regardless of those things, Williams has never had more than 70 touches in a season, last year was his largest total, 46 rushes and 20 receptions. He can also return kicks and punts, and he’s a solid ST’s player, but he’s never been a big part of the offense. That should keep his salary down, which makes him affordable to everyone, and it’s possible if a team was willing to give him an opportunity for playing time, he might take it. My guess is, Damien will come back to MIA as long as we’re fair to him. Even if we do bring Williams back, is anyone here confident going into the draft with just Drake and Williams? Will we still need to spend a 2nd-4th RD pick on a RB? Maybe a 4th, but I believe we won’t need to go any higher.
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Terrance West 5’10 225 27YO
West had a disappointing 2017 season with injuries, none major, but nonetheless was irrelevant to the Ravens, while Alex Collins had a coming out party. in 2016, West was the Ravens leading rusher with 774 yards on 193 carries and 5 TD’s. West also added 34 receptions for 236 yards and 1 TD. West feel out of favor with a nagging calf injury last season, which should lower his value for FA. He’s more of the bowling ball type that some here desire, more of a banger between the tackles, more of a thunder to Drake’s lightning.
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Alfred Morris 5’9 219 29YO
Morris has been the feature back in the past, so when looking at a back to add to your stable, he’s the one guy you can count on to step up and take over as the lead back if necessary. Undrafted out of FAU, Morris was signed by the Redskins in 2012, and had his most impressive season in the NFL. Morris carried 335 times for 1613 yards and 13 TD’s. The thing is, he’s steadily declined since 2012, going to down to a very respectable 1275 yards rushing in ’13, then 1074 yards, then 751 yards, then out of the picture on the Ezekiel Elliott led Cowboys. It’s obvious why Morris has been relegated to watching football from the bench with Ezekiel Elliot as the feature back. The good thing for Morris is he probably has fresh legs after 2 quiet seasons in Dallas, after 4 grueling seasons in Washington. Morris is a scrapper, another wrecking ball that can run in between the tackles. Morris’ last contract with the Cowboys was a 2YR/$3.5M contract. Despite Morris being 29, like I mentioned, he should have fresh legs, so I’d definitely consider Morris. He might make some forget that Ajayi guy.
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Orleans Darkwa 6’0 210 26YO
Another guy Dolphins fan know. Some of us were sorry to see him go, and Darkwa finally got his chance last with the new York Giants last season. Darkwa carried 171 times for 751 yards and 5 TD’s. This was by far his biggest workload, more than quadrupling and other season. Things worked out well for Darkwa last year, the Giants were in a shambles, injuries to Paul Perkins gave him his shot, and he made the most of it, on what was an awful season for the Jints. He should be affordable, despite his breakout season last year, and he proved he can be counted on for significant carries if necessary.
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Jerick McKinnon 5’9 205 25YO
Last, but most definitely NOT least, is Jerick McKinnon. I think McKinnon would be a perfect fit for how we use RB’s, but I do believe McKinnon would like to finally be the feature back, after a couple of years of toiling behind Adrian Peterson, and then last year, initially buried behind by rookie sensation Dalvin Cook and then FA pickup Latavius Murray. McKinnon is a very shifty, quick RB with excellent receiving skills. Last season, McKinnon showed that dual threat ability, rushing 150 times for 570 yards and 3 TD’s, along with 51 receptions for 421 yards and 2 TD’s. Spotrac has McKinnon slated for $4M per year, which is doable. The question is, will he come to MIA without being given a chance to be the starter? I’d feel pretty good with McKinnon in tow before the draft, probably as much with him as Alfred Morris or Dion Lewis. It would definitely push RB back down in priority in a deep draft at RB.
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There are other free agents besides Le’Veon Bell that I don’t believe we can be in the running for, nor should we be such as Carlos Hyde and Isaiah Crowell. I think their salaries will be prohibitive for signing here. Other notable free agent RB’s are LeGarrette Blount, Jamal Charles, C.J. Spiller, Darren Sproles, and Eddie Lacy, all whom are either too old, or just don’t fit. Any suggestions, let me hear it!
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PHISH:
List all the school children killed by gasoline.
Then
List all the school children killed by guns.
How can you possibly defend allowing the sale of assault rifles to the general public?
What is the rationale? What is the benefit? These are not hunting guns.
They are mass murder weapons. That is their only purpose.
They should be banned.
100,000 people die each year from taking prescription drugs. Let’s ban them!
We SHOULD ban over-prescription of deadly medications.
But that’s not MURDER.
Guns are used to MURDER innocent people.
How can you defend that?
I hunt with an AR.
You completely missed my point. You want to treat the symptom in a knee jerk reaction. If you went to the doctor with a cough and he said “You have cancer, so we’re going to take care of that cough.” would you be happy with that? Or would you want him to treat your cancer? Why do you think terrorists have started using cars to kill people. Do you really think taking away one instrument will stop shit like this from happening?
I get it…you don’t like guns and are willfully ignorant as to their uses. They are scary and dangerous. So you jump on a political bandwagon driven by people who just want to use fear and hysteria to manipulate you. In the pantheon of annual gun deaths, the number where an AR is used is minuscule. Handguns are used the overwhelming majority of the time. But hey, let’s run around flapping our hands and screaming to do something that will have no impact whatsoever. Because we REALLY fucking care about those kids. At least until the next big news story comes along.
from the previous page:
I know what we should do. Let’s make it so any teen can buy an assault rifle, no matter how insane he is, no questions asked. That’ll make America great again.
After all, it’s a free country right?
Everyone should have the freedom to kill as many people as he wants to.
We wouldn’t want anybody who likes to murder lots of innocent people quickly to feel denied their right to the pleasure of a gun. That wouldn’t be sensible.
Histrionics.
You are in self-denial, self-delusion, sheepishly following the bullies who make money off murder.
Asinine
We have vehicles and other types of weaponry that aren’t street legal, why not some other specific weapons that seem to be the choice for these shootings? Oh no, can’t do that, I have to have the right to go to the range and shoot off round after round. That’s my right! Okay that’s more important than innocent people including “our” children being murdered because of easy access to a gun some say isn’t all that but it keeps doing all that in the private sector. Enough! Make it difficult to do this.
Phelon – You’re absolutely right that people will find a different way, but if they’re all using the same weapon, maybe we can make it a little harder on them. I know we’ve been down this road before, it’s just these weapons help people kill more people faster. It’s harder for someone to walk into a school with a 50 gallon jug of gasoline, you have to admit that much.
What I said up above didn’t even discuss guns, it was making schools safer by putting metal detectors or security guards, either ex police or ex military would be nice.
That’s the band aid for the bigger issue though. It’s at least helpful, but won’t stop the cancer. We don’t take the cause of why people snap seriously enough. People will report a wild animal on the loose, but a human showing signs of something sinister is more complicated. Maybe they’re just weird and it’s not my business or there is an infringement on rights before any heinous act is committed. It’s a tough problem to solve and appease everyone as we’ve seen. Like you, the victim is my #1 concern, not gun ownership rights.
The infringement of rights before something happens is the difficult part to get around when there is only a suspicion.
Let’s see???????????
My son had access to weapons!
He had access to a school!
How is it that he didn’t just decide to go shoot up the place I wonder?????????
Are you simplifying this to if someone has access to weapons and they don’t kill people weapons are OK? Is that it?
No I simplifying it to I taught my son better!
Maybe the parents need to get off their ass and make sure they are raised right????????????????
Tim,
Lol. Very true, but it doesn’t mean i’m wrong. We’ve had too many guys not develop like we hoped. More misses than hits and too few homeruns.
Amen!
It’s a choice Tim!
It’s always a choice!
Lots of costly bad ones going on.
Wyo – I’m sure you did a fine job. Mental illness is not something that even parents who love their children completely understand. I’d bet most of the parents of these killers felt their child could never do what they did. I mean social media these days is so screwed up, kids say and do terrible things to one another, enough to put someone over the edge. It’s hard to single out the parents as the culprits. It’s possible it is the parents fault if they neglect their children and don’t address their problems, but I don’t know if that’s always the case.
Mental Illness?
I agree that the dick probably fits into some category!
But that’s for the people who don’t work for a living to figure out!
If you don’t know which choice your child will make – your not much of a parent!
I really don’t know enough about this to discuss this, so I’m not going to. I don’t have any experience with mental illness.
My guess is though, like when you and I are watching a Dolphins game, and something really freaking annoying happens, and we want to throw our remotes through the screen faster than Tannehill can throw an INT, but we stop ourselves. I would think someone is mentally ill, when they get upset like that, maybe at a teacher, classmate, whatever, the ability to stop goes out the window. Know what I mean?
It’s not a mental illness! It’s just some dick who wants attention!
I think you’re being too flippant about it. Something f’d up is going on in your head to do this. The same with serial killers.
Someone who thinks killing innocent children is a great way to get attention is mentally healthy? wtf
This latest kid had a nice older couple who could not have kids and so they adopted him, but they died.
He was expelled from school for bringing bullets to school and being a disrespectful asshole, and he was known to post gun pictures online. Why didn’t the authorities go around to his house and check to see if, maybe, he had an assault rifle, boxes of bullets, smoke grenades, and a gas mask lying around his bedroom? Because he DID!!
And if so, it all should have been confiscated, and people like that should never be allowed to own guns.
Actually, no one should be allowed to buy guns whose sole use is mass murder.
From above in response to Naples.
I hunt with an AR.
You completely missed my point. You want to treat the symptom in a knee jerk reaction. If you went to the doctor with a cough and he said “You have cancer, so we’re going to take care of that cough.” would you be happy with that? Or would you want him to treat your cancer? Why do you think terrorists have started using cars to kill people. Do you really think taking away one instrument will stop shit like this from happening?
I get it…you don’t like guns and are willfully ignorant as to their uses. They are scary and dangerous. So you jump on a political bandwagon driven by people who just want to use fear and hysteria to manipulate you. In the pantheon of annual gun deaths, the number where an AR is used is minuscule. Handguns are used the overwhelming majority of the time. But hey, let’s run around flapping our hands and screaming to do something that will have no impact whatsoever. Because we REALLY fucking care about those kids. At least until the next big news story comes along.
Bullshit.
You are condoning murder and enabling murderers.
You try to make yourself feel better by pretending I am ignorant and hysterical, but YOU are ignorant and hysterical. YOU are the one whining that somebody is going to take away your little toys that make you feel like a big man.
This has nothing to do with a bandwagon or politics. That is just what the National Rifle-Murderers Association easily brainwashes you with.
You get some kind of sick thrill out of squeezing a trigger and blasting living beings to death. Why is that?
Tim – 100% agree with your post above. It’s very complicated. It would be nice if there was a hotline to call if you suspect someone is really mentally disturbed and they might hurt someone.
Yes because 911 wouldn’t work?
http://www.wltx.com/article/news/crime/grandmother-foils-alleged-mass-shooting-plot-at-washington-school/101-519138885
Mike – I caught what you were saying about security guards, etc. and I agree that something has to be done. Maybe those are part of the answer, I don’t know. I do know that jumping to the most politically expedient and simplistic answer won’t get us to where we want to be. Until people and politicians stop doing that, we’ll never find a solution.
I agree with that, but I wouldn’t consider metal detectors and security guards as politically expedient. It just seems to make sense..
BTW – Is it fair to hunt with an assault rifle? Do you ever NOT kill what you’re hunting? 😉
What solution do YOU recommend?
Do you like living in a pitiful third-world country where you don’t know if your wife and kids will make it home alive each day?
American society has a mental illness for killing with guns.
So, 100,000 people dying from prescription drugs each year isn’t murder? I guess it depends on how you look at it. Doctors and big pharma are pill pushers doing it for the money. How many people get addicted to opioids every year and now the pharma industry is being sued by states because they didn’t tell the whole story?
If a person kills another person, or people, in a drunk driving accident we blame the driver; not the car.
In a bombing, we blame the bomber.
In a shooting, we blame the gun.
You can take the guns away but you’re not going to get rid of the people.
Think of the gun AR-15 as heroin on the street. Bad shit that kills. Or ignore it. We can do that too and do.
An AR-15 is a semi automatic rifle. You can purchase other semi automatic rifles that do the same thing as an AR-15. Only difference is magazine capacity. A semi automatic rifle is a semi automatic rifle.
If you were to walk into that same school with two 9mm handguns could you do the same thing?
the thing about the AR-15 is it a symbol of fear.
People don’t kill people; guns kill people.
Flippant??
I’m about as un-Flippant as you can get in this world.
But I am a realist!
Flippant means don’t take it seriously. A realist realizes a problem. Is heroin a problem? Yes it’s a choice but not every individual deals with all the obstacles very well. It’s also about public safety.
Is it true that Trump repealed an initiative last February that that would have made it harder for people with mental illness to buy a gun?
If so, why?
There is no moral justification for that. Except that politicians receive huge donations from the NRA to keep flooding the streets with weapons of casual murder. Rubio has gladly taken over 3 million dollars for his votes to keep plenty of guns loose on the streets.
I would need more details on what your speaking of to answer. I do know that there is a lot of resistance from the medical community to reporting mental illness into the national records system. You may be talking about the Social Security Administration bill that would have kept people receiving certain benefits from owning guns. That would have been congress unless it was an executive order.
That was pretty much the ACLU’s argument
Congratulations Phish – you are now a Pinko!
It’s been a bit of a controversial bill
The bill trump signed nullified a 2007 bill (not an Obama era bill as some are reporting)
The 2007 bill which followed the VT shooting created a database where federal agencies shared info – like a no fly list
One agency sharpening the information was social security
And basically if you received some sort of benefit for a mental disability you made the list and were prevented from purchasing a gun like most people
Can
There were arguments on the left and the right against it. The aclu actually opposed it
It was a 2007 law but for some reason the part about SAA didn’t go into effect until 2016
So we got a few months out of it before it was nullified by a new bill that congress passed and Trump signed
I’m reading the reporting on the subject and the reporting is kind of sloppy but you can piece together the facts from the citations to the law
Congress, website has both the 2007 law and the 2017 nullification available
Especially when they start clamoring before all the facts are known and the bodies are cold. The kid was reported and was in and out of mental health care. Even a cursory investigation should have resulted in a flag in the background check and a visit by the police/FBI. So if the measures in place were not followed, how is adding new measures going to help? It will make some people feel better and safer, but it won’t save a single life.
My children go to public school. When you walk up to the main entrance of the schools you are on camera. When you get to the doors you have to buzz to get in and you are being watched at the door.
Once inside, there is an armed police officer in the building. You can’t just walk into the buildings any time of the day. They are secure.
That is how you work to prevent school shootings.
Yep!
It would be a lot easier and cheaper and more sensible to just ban assault rifles whose only use is killing mass quantities of innocent people.
What positive is there to allow these murder weapons to be mass marketed?
sure, if you want some kind of false sense of security.
God himself banned Murder
A little thing called “thou shall not kill”
Why would banning a certain instrument change anything?
That’s also a shitty situation. We’re all guarded all the time now. I asked my wife tonight do you ever remember being afraid to go to school in fear of something like this and she said no! I said same here. Now kids do feel that way. Is that not a problem?
I don’t believe all kids feel that way. I think the students and parents of those students, faculty and others felt that it could probably never happen there.
The reality of the situation is that school shootings are something we need to deal with and banning assault rifles isn’t going to stop someone who is hell bent enough to cause carnage from doing so. They’ll just go in there with another type of semi automatic weapon; weather it be a rifle or a handgun(s).
So, you bury your head in the sand and hope that politicians will come to your rescue or you be proactive about it and get security in your buildings.
Naples – You don’t have any clue what a 3rd world country looks like or is.
You know nothing about me.
I know that we are losing my beloved country to a wave of gun violence for the sake of profit and keeping a spoiled child mentality happy among our citizens that they should be allowed to do anything they want and if they don’t like something, they should be allowed to just kill it.
Histrionic and hyperbolic. You would give away your “beloved country” for a false sense of security. If your’re that afraid of the world stay home, lock your doors, and pull your blinds.
I’ll tell you something that most won’t want to hear!
If I was indoors I wouldn’t chose an AR15 I would take my 12 gauge!
much more lethal in a confined area
Phish, you make a lot of good points, you always do. This is the conversation the country should be having including pols who are too concerned about the DNC, RNC and special interests.
Agreed.
Mike – When I hunt with my AR I use a short mag and use it for brush hunting. Never have time for more than two shots anyway. And when I’m not brush hunting, I use a single shot rifle. And I always kill what I’m shooting at regardless of the gun.
I don’t know what short magazine is, does that mean not a high volume? I’ll assume that’s what it is. I wouldn’t doubt it, you’ve been trained well.
Yes, reduced capacity. I have 5 and 10 round mags for hunting. Round count doesn’t matter…as I said there is rarely time for more than two shots.
Here is my solution guys
Give me all your guns
Then we will discuss bacon and what sort of rights you think you have
Bullets first?
Should I put a vest on or something?
Some animals are more equal than others.
Pigs are gods
Especially the fried bacon parts.
I have never done Heroin!
I do own guns!
I have never shot anyone!
Flippant means that I’m not taking it seriously! You are way off base!
Just because there are people that do Heroin doesn’t mean that it’s my thing! If I wanted to buy a Kilo or 2 and just lock it up? I may feel like I just saved a life???? ( That was Flippant )
Wyo, you’re making too much out of it. Flippant means meh… it’s just some dickhead looking for attention. At the cost of innocent lives. Sorry that bothers me more than gun ownership rights. Not looking at your hunting rifles or personal protection handguns that can also cause mass murder. I get the inanimate object argument too. Personal responsibility. But this particular gun keeps showing up with people who snap. So just ignore it as crazy and move on?
What’s your solution?
It is one of the dictator’s oldest psychological tricks to say that “now is not the time to discuss” and then when the thing is not happening, the dictators say “see it’s not really a big problem.” Then when it happens again, the dictators say “you are just upset, it’s just knee jerk” and then the dictators act all superior like they are brave or something when actually it’s all a trick to keep the masses quiet.
OMG….you are a fucking snowflake.
One more case of using a convenient name-calling to hide behind. So you think if you can just label someone, you can run away from the truth. Such a sheep you are.
Wyo – To answer your question about 911, people are afraid they may be stepping over a line reporting someone to the police. If there were some kind of hotline that would be less involving for the people making the call, I think that would be better. People are afraid to get involved because it might come back at them if they’re wrong.
What’s to report before some one commits a crime?
We were talking about if someone suspected that a person might seem like they’re over the edge, not right mentally, and they may do something. I think it would be easier if there were some kind of hotline, rather than just dialing 9-1-1
Yeah – but what’s to report. That’s not a crime.
Hunters kill.
What is it about killing that makes you so happy?
Let me just say that if you’re in a large retailer with your children one day and an active shooter event takes place you might be extremely happy that there’s a few people with concealed carry permits inside the building at the same time.
If they have good aim and they make good decisions I might
But seriously I wouldn’t let a lot of people in a large retailer pick my socks much less rely on them for protection
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“Some animals are more equal than others” is from the anti-communist book Animal Farm, in which the author showed the evils of Communism. It was a Stalinist era Communist slogan to say that some are more equal than others.
Communists use bullies and violence to force people to say they accept whatever the Dictators say is true, even if what they say is impossible.
So is this argument! But I digress
Yes, I know where it is from and I assumed that Piggy would know as well as everyone else on the board. And that they would all be amused since it was delivered in the same vein as Piggy’s comment.
Bullies always say those that resist violence are cowards, but it is the bullies who are afraid. It is the people who acquire mass quantities of weapons who are afraid of the world. That is obvious.
And cowards always call anyone that disagree with them bullies and communists. You just need to roll out “racist” for the trifecta.
No, I haven’t heard you say anything racist.
Why would an American Citizen need a hotline if they think they know someone is about to, or may be capable of committing a public shooting?
If it’s that serious grow a pair and call it in!
That can’t be as hard as clipping a freedom????????????????
Wyo – If it were so easy, I think a lot more people would be off the streets and in some institution. I’m being totally serious.
I actually missed the animal farm reference
I am very disappointed.
I’m a little outside of the loop on literary references these days
Naples FWIW I’ve been called a ❄️ more than you guys can imagine
I was just wondering. When you have sex, do you call it “rendering the fat”?
Depends on who it’s with
I just don’t understand why anyone would want their country to become a place where any idiot or mentally unstable person or hot-headed fool can buy a gun that can only be used to slaughter innocent people in churches, schools, and places of business.
What is the benefit to the easy availablity and mass commercial production of these killing tools?
What is the benefit? If someone could just tell me that…
I’m kind of with you on the subject
I’m in favor of stricter gun legislsation. But there is something to say about problems that won’t be fixed by gun legislation and then there is that pesky 2nd amendment
It’s for the rights of a very small pct. of people. The right to bear arms of their choice. The problem is not everyone wants to tote guns and have shootouts during their daily lives. That solution is outdated. Sorry, it is.
I get some of you guys are rural and military and know the respect for the weapon, not everyone does though. I live in a very diverse and populated area of NJ. Guns in this state are very regulated to hunters and enthusiasts, not easily acquired. Most “gun” violence is gang/drug related, black market and domestic. Other parts of the rural state is like everywhere else. I could have easily adapted to that life style of rural living and was turned onto it along the way in my life. I’m more suburban. We’re not a fan of of guns. Does that count too or just me and my guns?
Honestly, I never supported gun control before the proliferation of the assault rifle.
What, are we going to allow the private ownership of grenades, flame-throwers, and bazookas next?
Just because somebody wants one?
because they are cool to mess around with on a Sunday when there’s no football to watch?
Actually it is already legal to own a bazooka and flamethrowers are completely unregulated. Elon Musk was selling flamethrowers just a couple of weeks ago.
Great … let’s get them into Wal-Mart so everybody can get a couple for the next time someone cuts you off in traffic.
This is the musk prototype flamethrower
I regret having to bail on this topic. but I must get off the blog and get some work done.
i promise you that i will further discuss it whenever anyone wishes.
And we don’t have to wait two weeks until the next mass murder either.
I’ll discuss it whenever you think it is a good non-knee-jerk time.
Let’s let the dead children be forgotten, and then we can talk again.
As long as you come with arguments that are not based in talking points, emotion, and hysteria.
On average it’s 60 hours between mass shootings
Where in the world do you get that number?
Out of my squiggly
And I don’t count criminals shooting criminals as a mass shooting. That’s just natural selection.
Lol…Better be careful…the AP May fact check your squiggly.
There have been 17 school shootings in the US this year
But yeah – those aren’t mass shootings or this type of thing
I don’t know that deviates from years past
I think ABC was throwing that number around. But it includes and adult who committed suicide in his car in the parking lot and a bus window that may have been shot with a pellet gun among others.
I’m sure it includes a lot of things that deviate from what we saw yesterday
But I’m Less concerned about the exact number and more concerned about the general idea of schools being dangerous
Would you guys agree with me that – that particular gun attracts a lot of numbskulls just based on its appearance
Yes, absolutely.
But you can’t legislate numbskulls.
You can (in theory) legislate the weapons they use though
And when you remove waiting periods and databases you lose that ability
I don’t think general licensing is a bad idea
I’m not really concerned about responsible gun use
I’m concerned about the crazies
Slippery slope. Who decides who is a numbskull?
Me
I have a test for it. For instances Jests fans are numbskulls
Truth be told
I need to see proposed legislation before I say good or bad to it
The entire discussion is theoretical unless we are talking about a real thing
Fair enough. No AR’s for Jets fans
No food or water either
I’ve been having a discussion with one of my sons friends about “assault Rifles”
I asked him if he would be willing to give up his driving privileges because males 25 and under cause a lot of accidents?
He said no because alcohol and regulations were already in place for that.
My answer is you wouldn’t give up one of your freedoms for the greater good of the country
I believe it gave him a better perspective. But I may be wrong?????
I’ll be quite honest with everyone on the board!
If I was going into a building to kill people I would take my 12 gauge not an AR15.
Better pattern in a confined space,
That’s how stupid these guys are!
This guy was 19 and probably new nothing about gun safety
I bet he was less than a year away from firing his first gun
The problem is not that people with knowledge can’t handle guns it’s that people with little knowledge have such easy access to guns like that
Some dipshit posts a picture of himself wearing a gas mask and holding a rifle with a caption “round two of Florida tomorrow” and thinks nobody is going to do anything. Was reported police arrested him.
Idiot
He will get fined up the squiggly
He should have his ass whipped too.
Look I don’t own a “assault Rifle” mine are just tools to do what I need!
I understand that some folks don’t need to have Arms!
The problem is WHO gets to choose????????
I’m not liking any body telling me what I can buy!
I want to choose
I see people on a regular basis that I’m ruling out from owning anything that can hurt me
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Look it’s based on the 2nd amendment and that’s a fundamental right
So in theory, the givt can’t put any restrictions on gun ownership
Over time we’ve had restrictions when we needed them
We banned machine guns when they were used by bootleggers once upon a time
So there can be legislation that limits access to certain weapons
It’s a slippery slope though – our country is unique in the rights we sought to protect.
That’s the major crux!
To keep our rights we expose ourselves to these actions!
Gun
Health
personal
the only thing we can do is blow the whistle!
It’s the citizens responsibility to protect the other citizens! that’s how it works!!!!!!!!!
I think the govt can take steps to protect us all
Again though, as I mentioned above, it’s just theoretical
What is the actual legislation proposed?
There has been a meeting of the minds on these subjects before when reasonable legislation is proposed (machine guns)
And when I say that some folks don’t need to have ARMS.
I’m talking about half of the dumb MF’s that breath the air around this world!
So you better not let me decide!
That’s the problem, they get into the wrong hands. I don’t fear responsible gun owners. But I want you to have clearance, you’re on record and have training. Not some fringe person saying I need to smoke some people. Come on, man!
He looks really good with his hair but I can’t believe it is him lol he’s not a fan he said he’s not a fan but I think he’s going back on it he is not sure what he’s going on but he’s a great man
That was totally written by only pushing the middle word on predict text
Panels of citizens deciding the fate/status of those deemed “troubled”, how can you square that with your constitutional rights?
Make all the laws you want….criminals love it!
My 2 cents about gun control and the 2nd amendment. When our founding fathers were talking about the right to bear arms and an armed militia and all that, they weren’t talking about assault rifles. I think the 2nd amendment would read a bit different if the kind of firepower we see today was available then. What is happening in this country is far removed from what the founding fathers envisioned, gun laws only being part of the whole problem. We have to have some common sense as humans as to what is necessary and what isn’t. Times have changed since the country was formed and we’ve had to adapt many things along the way, but people still point to the 2nd amendment as justification to have ridiculous weaponry available to everyone. It’s stupid. I’m not anti-gun….I’m anti stupidity.
Actually, having citizens armed the same as military was exactly what the founding fathers envisioned. The 2nd Amendment was meant to be a protection from government tyranny, the same kind of tyranny they faced from England.
Stupid and unrealistic analogy, but if say people were stealing Ford Mustangs and driving them into crowds of people and killing lots of people, and they asked people to stop to driving their Mustangs and keep them garaged, I would do that. Yeah, I love driving my car, but if it would save lives, I’d do it.
Phelon – I find the need to play devils advocate . . .
Do you think the majority, or even half of the people who buy assault rifles buy them because they fear the government taking away their rights, and also even more ridiculous, that having that gun would enable them to keep them if the government wanted to do such?
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The #MiamiDolphins will be making some changes to their uniform for the 2018 season
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article200401269.html
I just read that, but I’m disappointed it won’t be like the throwback unis
Same here.
I actually like to keep the throwbacks as throwbacks
and just wear them a few times a year
I don’t love the current unis after giving hem time
I hate the logo to be honest
So I would;t mind some dramatic changes
but according the article they will be small changes
booooo
The only thing I want to see the uniforms do is win the Superbowl. I don’t care if the logo was done in MS Paint and the players wore jorts with a mullet on the helmet.
Piggy – Regarding the number of school shootings this year:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_fla-debunk-525pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ff0973cadeee
This is my issue…When people start talking about banning guns and base their arguments on false data meant to exacerbate emotional stress, it is never going to be a constructive discourse. No effective solution can come out of an effort that starts with erroneous premises.
Even this article, glosses over some of the problem. For instance the statement, “On average, two dozen children are shot every day in the United States, and in 2016 more youths were killed by gunfire — 1,637 — than during any previous year this millennium.” fails to point out that the overwhelming majority of that number involves gang violence and criminal activity. So is the problem the tool they use to perpetuate violence or is the problem the activity that they involved in? In my area, we have MS-13. They prefer machetes to guns. If you don’t properly define the problem, you can’t properly arrive at a solution. And at what point do we stop defining them as innocent children and start defining them as violent criminals? Is there an age where they go from one to the other? Is it 18? 15? Or do we define it on their actions?
Another statement from the article, “…more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 primary or secondary schools have experienced a shooting on campus since the Columbine High School massacre in 1999.” That number sounds huge, but put it in perspective. How many primary or secondary schools are there in the USA and how many students have matriculated through them since 1999? That’s not to say that any number is acceptable, but it is this kind of shallow, “research” statement meant to shock and evoke an emotional response that keeps people from actually engaging in finding a solution to shooting like the one on Valentine’s Day.
And repeatedly stating, “I don’t know why anybody needs something like that.” or asking “What is the use of one of those?” does not constitute a basis for discussion. I don’t know or understand why people do and want a lot of things, but I’m not ban,ban, ban. Even if those things have the potential to impact my life.
Finally – and then I’ll get off of my soapbox for a minute or two – emotional reactions to a symptom will not get us to the root of the problem and without getting to the root of the problem, we can’t even begin to find a fix. IMO, the root of the problem is an unraveling of our social and moral fabric. A surfeit of individual responsibility, a lack of parenting, a permissible culture, a normalization of violence in entertainment, no norms of respect, entitlement, and a loss of community has created an environment where pyrrhic acts of violence are seen as cool to our kids. You can’t ban your way out of this.
I’ve never seen a soapbox. The box that my soap comes in wouldn’t be able to hold me up, even with the soap in it.
Every generation thinks they’re living in the worse generation. Parents are terrible these days but they’re a different kind of terrible.
Mike – I think few buy AR’s because they are afraid of the government. Those are the fringe. They are loud and the media likes to put them on the front page, but they are few. The majority buy them because they are enthusiasts and AR’s are fun to shoot.
Don’t under-estimate the ability of a civilian populace to successfully resist a tyrannical government. The Afghans beat the Russians and their own government into the dirt using WWI & II weapons. The Ccechs overthrew a Soviet dictator and his military/police apparatchik and hanged him a public square. And here in the USA, a big chunk of the population served in the military and are quite well trained and willing to fight.
The new uniforms and logo have grown on me… just a little bit, but not much. I’d much rather see a complete re-design of the logo with a major toning-down of the green hue.
Hey – We’re trying to have a political fight here. You think this is a football blog or something!?!
LOL
Another good article from WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.7f3daf1829a3
I hear Aaron Rodgers may be changing his uniform number to #15…
We’d have an RT17, and the Packers would have an AR15.
MIke – Since you like Devil’s advocacy, let me play the role for a minute.
I’ve seen the suggestion that training should be required to own a firearm. In general I am a believer in everyone training to proficiency. But ask yourself…if training was a requirement, would not the crazies also become more proficient when they went off the ledge? Do you really want well-trained mass killers?
Okay, that’s meant to be kind of tongue in cheek, but it illustrates something. All solutions have side effects. If we can’t speak rationally about the issues, we may find ourselves dealing with unintended consequences that are worse than the original problem.
I don’t recall saying people need to be trained before they can buy a gun, but I’m pretty sure I said there should be a pretty thorough background check, one that probably couldn’t be conducted quickly enough for a same day sale. I think that would be a deterrent in and of itself. In any case, we know that if someone wants something badly enough they could get it. Since I’ve never purchased a gun, are you required to state what you want to use the gun for? Is there an answer besides I want to shoot up my neighborhood that will hold up a sale?
Wasn’t you that said it. Don’t recall who it was.
Phelon – I don’t like playing devils advocate, the devil made me do it.
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Damn Devil…oh wait…he already is….
Phish
If you widdle away those 18 shootings you still have too many
Throw out half of them and it’s too many
I read this one last night: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-there-have-not-been-18-school-shootings-so-far-in-2018/article/2649183
And yes – it’s not Parkland but it’s still too many
I don’t beleive for a second that restricting access to guns would not prevent gun violence
Australia, the UK and Europe have been very successful
Cutting down gun violence with legislation
It really doesn’t matter if the issue is emotional or not. What matters is whether works and what we sacrifice.
the disparity in the US vs the rest of the world in terms of gun violence and contrasting our laws with those countries really give me an indication that legislation may work
We just have unique culture and a 2nd amendment and those things are worth balancing
But don’t tell me it won’t work or it’s not a serious problem. I don’t buy that
If you guys click play on my above link, you’ll hear a very saddening fact about Guice… how he learned of his father’s death. MAN… 😦
His story is very sad
He’s a very motivated football player
Piggy – I agree one is too many. But if you are going to use the number of school shootings as a starting point for justifying legislation, the number better be accurate or you will spend all your time (as we are doing) arguing about the number, rather than discussing the issue.
Neither Australia nor England had much of gun violence issue before they banned and confiscated. As a matter of fact, both had one mass shooting. And since they banned and confiscated, their violent crime rates have jumped dramatically. Ditto for South Africa. So – Is the problem just gun violence or violent crime writ large? Do you only want to solve the first and think the rest will go away? Heck Norway is so restrictive, it makes Chicago look like the city fathers hand out guns on every corner and Norway’s crazy killed 77 students and injured 242 using a gun and homemade explosives. Until McVeigh at Oklahoma City (using homemade explosives, I might add), the biggest mass murder in US history was the 1990 Happyland Nightclub that killed 87. What did the jealous boyfriend use? Fire.
To use your words – don’t tell me that guns are the problem, especially a certain type of gun. I don’t buy that.
Australia’s gun legislation happened after the port authur massacre in 1995
They acted and there has not been an mass killing incident since
Your argument relies on a sweeping generalization which includes violent crime with these massacres – isn’t that exactly why you at objecting to the language about 18 shootings at schools?
The point of the gun legislation we need to consider is to stop these sort of massacres at schools, churches, concerts and other public gatherings
I don’t personally expect to stop crime. I expect to stop mass shootings at public places which I beleive is plausible
I don’t love the language of “18 school shoool shootings” –
I think it’s misleading but so is discussing this like it’s going to take away your guns or like it can be viewed like any gun violence
I’m pretty sure we can prevent massacres in the same manner Australia has
FYI – Australia has a 28 day waiting period to own any gun they do background checks. They also ban quite a few guns as a whole. I suspect if we do something similar there would be a debate on which guns to ban and our laws would permit a lot more than Australia
The kid’s face is plastered all over the internet and television. In his mind he’s a fucking hero. Then the media announces a white supremacist group claimed him as a member. Free recruitment publicity.
We live in a huge social media society. Stop sensationalizing these events. Don’t say the suspects name; don’t show his picture.
As long as people can commit these acts and become famous they’ll continue to do it.
Okay, errands to run and a new bourbon to pick up (y’all are driving me to drink). But I will be back later to continue if anyone wants.
Let me know which bourbon, and if you like it. Nothing like bourbon and a cigar,
Why am I seeing Dorance Armstrong’s stock dropping to the late third day? $#!t, I’ve seen recent and REPUTABLE mocks seeing him go as early as the late 1st round. Very curious…
And I just realized that Adam Breneman was NOT invited to the Combine. Thus, his medical will be evaluated at his Pro-Day (3/22/18).
We’d better get used to the idea that Quenton Nelson will likely be off the board by the time we pick. I’ve been saying this since November, but I’m still prevailing HOPE!
It’s possible, but if Chubb, Barkley, Edmunds, Ridley, Fitzpatrick, Ridley and Smith, along with 3 QB’s, we have a shot. It’s not likely it goes that way, but it could
EXACTLY! This is where my hope come from, man. We’ll see!
M – If 4 QB’s go before us, even better!
You’ve got it! That’s why I’m hoping Kirk Cousins signs with a team outside of the top-10 draft picks.
Don’t know if anyone mentioned it yesterday, but Larry Fitzgerald IS coming back for the Cardinals in ’18: he’s NOT retiring. This further demonstrates how badly the Cards want to get a QB like Kirk Cousins.
So at the moment, I think I’d ‘pencil’ Kirk Cousins to the Cardinals.
That would probably be the best-case scenario for us. It’s a team outside the top 10 and it’s not Buffalo.
Phish, it seems some states have very lenient laws and regulations to acquire guns of any type. It just seems too easy for someone who is f’d in the head with bad intentions to acquire these guns. I care more about people’s lives than I do recreational weapons. Like I’ve said before, there are vehicles and other weapons that are not street legal. Also these guns can be disassembled to avoid detection. They just seem to be setup perfectly for mass murder.
Tim – While I respect your personal feeling this way, there is nothing in your stated position that makes me want to take away someone else’s constitutional rights or give up mine. You may as well say it’s okay for the government to search your house, seize your property, and arrest you without any evidence of a crime. And while they’re at, arrest you for saying you don’t like the way the government operates.
Just ranting about how easy this seems to be these days. I don’t have the answers.
There have been multiple schools closed across the country the last couple of days due to threats. It’s friggin scary.
Mike – I went out to get a bottle of Bib and Tucker. However, if the picture actually comes through, as you can see I have a bit of a Bourbon fetish.
Damn – Pic didn’t make it.
I just found out an old friend of mine’s kids go that school. They’re safe but she knows many people and parents who are preparing funeral arrangements now. So sad.
Piggy – Australia didn’t have any mass murders before the Port Arthur massacre. So is it the chicken or the egg?
And no, my argument is not based on a sweeping generalization. Gun violence is a violent crime. The problem is violent crime and what causes it, not the tool chosen by the criminal to commit it.
Lockdown at Washington State campus after reports of gunfire.
Okay – How do you post a .jpeg?
If it’s your personal pic you need to post it from an online site like FB or Shutterfly, something like that.
Ah
https://goo.gl/images/QUTt2N
That’s the one I bought, but not the pic I was trying to post.
PARKLAND, Fla. – The FBI said it failed to investigate a specific report in January that Nikolas Cruz could be plotting a school shooting.
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/fbi-failed-to-investigate-january-tip-about-parkland-school-shooting-suspect
They ignored a lot on this kid.
Imagine how many billions of posts go out on social media…..gotta give the FBI a pass on that one. More than a few people could have been investigated for threats based on stray comments on this board.
It’s their job to keep known threats from doing these things! and you want to give them a pass?
Then complain about the drinking age?
It wasn’t just a hit off of facebook!
A tipster who was close to Cruz called the FBI on Jan. 5 and provided information about Cruz’s guns, desire to kill people, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts. The FBI said the caller expressed concerns Cruz could attack a school.
My bad — didn’t read carefully enough. Thought it was jut about the facebook comment. Missed that someone who knew him actually called up. Yeah we can put the FBI into an investigate on that one.
Kid was old enough to buy an AR-15 but not old enough to buy a beer. Whatever your view on gun control/gun rights…..one of those does not make sense.
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/964566619346391040
Okay Mike trying again:
Sweet Baby Jesus…
LOL
I actually thought I was going to have to apologize to the board this morning!
But even as drunk as I was I somehow kept it civil?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/806691502740445/
Mike – I give up on the photo.
I used to have your email, but no more.
nj1dolfan@yahoo.com
Phelon – How many more attempts to post the pic would you go before you started shooting the fuck out of your computer? 🙂
Don’t use the short mag, let it rip!
LOL – I picture a much more violent end to his computer
Busy. Computer shopping.
Mike – Check your email
Want to stop school shooting? Train and arm any and all teachers who want to carry concealed in school. Any cop will tell you,”When you need us in seconds, we’ll be there in minutes.” Average number of deaths in shooting where the police are the responders = 14. Average when an armed citizen responds,= 2.5.
Just wanted to say…
I think my Brother Wyoming is SPOT-ON with his posts, regarding recent events.
Hey, Wyoming… RESPECT from me to you!!!
Because he was drunk or because he was civil?
LOL, because he’s the ANSWER.
And by the way, I cannot disagree with a SINGLE thing you’ve stated over the last 2 days, Phelon.
Well you are no fun then.
Liberalism= didn’t we see the decay of the Roman Empire by the same method? TRUTH!
pheloniusphish says:
February 16, 2018 at 3:21 pm
Well you are no fun then.
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Phelon,
YOU are someone I’d REALLY like to meet, man. Methinks we have more in common than most… just sayin’…
I’ve met Piggy. That’s it.
Piggy and I are polar opposites. He’s short, I’m tall. Dark/fair, liberal/conservative. You name it we’re different. I like Piggy anyway.
Piggy is more libertarian with some left leanings like me. We disagree on some stuff as well but that’s okay, I not a fan of tribalism.
I really don’t like when this blog becomes political. I come here to talk football; mainly Miami Dolphins football. I’ll be back when things die down a bit.
I FEEL ya! I don’t have time for political BS here.
Later DB
You people don’t care about children getting slaughtered.
You only care about yourselves.
You don’t mind if shopping centers, churches, schools, concerts, and football games are all bloodbaths with dozens of shooters enjoying the shootouts. That is what America will become if you get your way. And you will get your way because you try to make anyone who cares look wimpy.
You are not the least bit interested in finding a solution. You purposefully subvert any discussion with mountains of BS about needing to define terms or statistics, about the necessity of intimate knowledge of weapons systems before evaluating the extent of their devastation, and snarky invocations of a law made when the country was in civil rebellion and a gun could shoot one bullet at a time.
None of you has proposed a single shred of a solution, because you think guns are toys and you want your toys to play with, no matter how many wives and mothers, sons and daughters, husbands and fathers, cops and teachers are mowed down by blood-thirsty monsters.
You don’t care. You are America, land of the bloody gun and home of the spoiled brat.
Oh boy!
Naples,
You are being most irrational and, as many others have pointed out, “knee jerk” in your response to the latest.
Guns don’t kill people, it’s the people who wield them who are responsible… and that INCLUDES crooked-azz cops.
I don’t want to see us become the next North Korea… a DICTATORSHIP, as you seem to want.
STRANGE how the USA didn’t have this kind of problem in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s… and then LIBERALISM took over the MSM, via nefarious means.
MTV and video games have become our ‘baby-sitters’… TELLING… and they further the VIOLENCE we see today from our youth.
The family unit is being systematically destroyed via liberalism… through the media, the video games, and the movies.
When was the last time you and yours saw a GOOD show such as the “Cosby Show”, “Family Ties”, or the like… bringing family TOGETHER? Hollywood is ABOUT destroying the family unit today, and it’s QUITE obvious to US.
Again… why didn’t we have problems with these sickos in decades past?
were you this enraged by the 700 deaths in Chicago last year from guns or are you like everyone else who takes their head out of the sand when something like the Fla school shooting happens and decides “Enough is Enough”.
I think 700 people killed by guns in Chicago is quite a bit higher death toll than what we saw at the Florida school, yet nobody is outraged by those numbers; many of whom were children.
Or is it because the shooting happened in a predominantly white neighborhood at a predominantly white school.
I wonder if the shooting took place at a predominantly black school in a predominantly black neighborhood if there would be the same outrage or would people be saying, “well, look at the neighborhood. it was bound to happen with all them hoodlums”.
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Most of those shootings are gang and drug related. Yes some innocent people get caught in the crossfire and that’s sad as well. I’m still amazed that we allow gang activity to exist at the scale it does and Chicago is one of the worst in the nation.
there ya go. knew someone was going to say it. gang and drug related. smh
Naples – I don’t think that’s the case, even for those who support guns. Keep in mind some of them fought for our country to protect the things you mentioned. I understand you’re frustrated and saddened by what happened. We all are.
Phelon – I replied to your e-mail – That’s a heckuva collection you got there. I’m going to keep trying new ones, and see if anything really strikes me as excellent.
I think Piggy is more Porkist than Libertarian
He is a Professor Of Porkology
undoubtedly some of his favorite music:
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1988344-Porky-Chedwick
Lou, it is gang and drug related. Go look at the statistics. Most of the homicides are between rivals. You don’t like facts?
Most of the homicides in the country are gang and drug related followed by domestic disputes.
correct. roughly 90% of non suicide related gun homicides are gang related. yet, ppl make it sound like there’s an epidemic of gun violence because of shooting like Parkland.
and of the 18 school shootings that have happened thus far only 3 have had actual gunmen inside the schools and handguns account for 68% of mass shootings but, hey, let’s ban AR-15’s and we’ll all be safe.
It’s happening more and more and that concerns people, especially kids and teachers in schools as the targets.
I said I wasn’t going to do this. BBL.
I could kill a man with a toothpick. Shall we now ban toothpicks?
But why the FUNK would I even want to kill somebody?
Can you kill 17 and injure 20 more before being brought down?
As a knife-wielder? YES. And it’s happened in recent years, for those of y’all who take in world news.
Shall we now ban knives? And how far does that go… shall we be put in prison just because we’d like to cut through a nice sirloin steak?
Mike – My MO is to buy a bottle have a couple out of it, then put into the rotation and buy something different. Wash, rinse, repeat. Next thing you know, you’ve got a couple dozen bourbons sitting on your bar.
Ha – That’s an interesting way to go about it. We finished that Woodford Reserve that night, and I didn’t love it like I expected to. The Four Roses was a nice surprise, I’m going to finish that soon, and move on to something else. The round bottle you have was rated well, can’t think of the maker, but I want to try it.