2018 Miami Dolphins – Free Agency – OT

Last week we took a look at the inside guys, the OG’s, but with the possible loss of our RT Ja’Wuan James, we’ll see who’s available to fill that spot.  Of course, we may already have that player on our roster (Jesse Davis), but they may want Davis to continue as the swing man, who can play either OG or OT.  Just so you know, the top guy available is Nate Solder and I’m not even going to add him to the list, because we’re not paying him $13M+, so forget that.  It’s slim pickins folks, I’ll show you what I think are the “best” 5.

Austin Pasztor  6’7 305  27YO

Austin Pasztor, Quinton Dial

Pasztor played last season on a 1 year deal with the Falcons after being the odd man out of a very talented Browns OL.  Pasztor has played both RG and RT and played and started all 16 games for the Browns in 2016.  Last year he was the swing man for the Falcons and he only saw action on 7 games.  Pasztor was an UDFA in 2012, and signed by the Jaguars.  He played in 15 games for the Jags in 2013 starting 12.  At worst, he could be a depth guy for us, or if somehow we don’t draft a solid OL, he can be a decent starter.


Greg Robinson  6’5 332  25YO


It’s unusual to see a 25YO OT hit the free agent market, but that’s where the former 1st RD pick is today.  Robinson was overdrafted by the Rams in 2014 at #2 overall, and Jeff Fisher rolled him out at both LG and LT in all 16 games, starting 12. Robinson played his college ball at Auburn, and the Rams went all in on the NFL combine superstar. The 6’5 332 lb behemoth ran a 4.92 40, put up 32 reps, had a 113″ broad jump, so you can see, the big guy can move.  He was a run blocking monster at Auburn, but he struggled with pass protection in college, and those struggles continued in the NFL.  While there’s no questioning his outstanding athletic ability, so far, no one has been able to reach him and get him to better his technique.  He’d be a risk/reward type of signing.  He’s young enough to teach, but do we have the staff in place to do it?  Tough to be confident answering that question.  He’s played 3 full seasons at LT, but maybe RT would be his better side.  Stay tuned.


Seantrel Henderson  6’7 331  25YO


Yeah, that Seantrel Henderson.  I wanted us to take a late RD flyer on this kid, because He has the size and athletic ability to become a good OT.  His biggest issue is his strength, as it was coming out of college.  He moves well, but doesn’t have the power.  He may not have the desire either, which has long been one of his knocks, he has the lazy tag.  He has started 26 games for the Bills in his first 2 seasons for the Bills, but the last 2 years he’s been getting splinters on the bench, playing in only 8 games total.  He’d be a cheap sign, that much is true, and if we could get this  kid fired up, he could be a good player, but that’s a big “if”.


Byron Bell  6’5 320  29YO


Like I said, it’s not a great market out there, and the top dog Solder will really cash in.  Bell played in 12 games last season for the Cowboys, starting only 2, but has been a durable starter for 4 seasons with the Panthers, and 1 season with the Titans. He signed a 1YR deal with the Cowboys last season, and I’m sure he’d love a multi year deal, but I’m not sure if that’s in the cards for the 29 YO RT.


James Hurst  6’5  317


Hurst was an UDFA and signed by the Baltimore Ravens in 2014.  He saw action in all 16 games since his rookie season, starting in only 11 games his first 3 seasons, but last year, Hurst started all 16 games at both LG and LT.  Not to kiss Raven ass, but any player that can start 16 games on the Ravens is a player I’d take a look at.  Hurst not only played every game last season, he played well.  He’s played LT, LG and RT.  He’s versatile, and he’s coming into his own, which makes him a solid option for us.


Our own Sam Young is a FA we might re-sign, likely to a short term contract.   If there’s anyone out there you feel should be included, let me know.




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947 Responses to 2018 Miami Dolphins – Free Agency – OT

  1. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 2, 2018 at 2:07 pm
    He seems to be closer to a tree than an athlete. LOL
    LMAO!!! TRUE!!!

  2. Mike E. says:

    Would it be racist to ask Brown to work out as a shade tree?

  3. Tim Knight says:

    Even though I made a joke about Brown being more like a tree, I actually feel bad for guys who have these poor showings because they get a lot of negative feedback and become the brunt of jokes.

  4. mf13ss says:


    And as you ALL know by now, I do not TRUST a Saban-coached DB.

    Yeah… life is “Easy Street” when money rules the roost in football recruitment to the DF7 for Saban.

  5. wyoming85 says:

  6. Rockphin says:

    Matt Miller

    Man Crush, Dimitri Flowers: 4.83 at 248 lbs

    1:35 PM – Mar 2, 2018

    You can’t have him. He’s MINE! I have in in every single of my mock drafts. LOL (Along with Dallas Goedert as long as he isn’t picked in the first round like he has been in some of the more loopy mocks I’ve done on fanspeak.)

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    JJ watt’s vertical jump is 61 inches
    Orlando Brown can’t even get there are 3 jumps

  8. Randy says:

    I have longer arms than most guys my size…sucks buying long sleeved shirts and suits, but it doesn’t mean much in the bench. Don’t believe the rhetoric. That said, I think uppper body strength is becoming less and less important for OTs nowadays. You don’t need to be bull strong when you’re playing the edge. You need to be able to move. Having upper body strength is nice, but it’s not as important as it used to be when the focus was more on run blocking.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m hearing people question the purpose of the bench press more and more

      On those Brown numbers
      it wasn’t just the bench press – it was the other numbers that concern me

      That’s a serious lack of athelticsm

      I’ve never seen him play but jumping 19 inches doesn’t seem to be that hard

  9. wyoming85 says:

  10. Rockphin says:

    Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero 3m3 minutes ago
    Ongoing Dolphins nightmare continues …

    It is not like Gronk is the Dolphins killer or anything. He has scored 3 TD’s in THREE YEARS (6 games) against the Dolphins. Oh woe is me! 😉

    • The Flying Pig says:

      yeah but he’s missed quite a few games vs us in that span as I recall

      • Rockphin says:

        all of 2016, but as some douchebag once said “the best ability is availability”

    • Tim Knight says:

      He has missed quite a few games against us but here’s the thing, he isn’t just a Dolphins killer, he tears up a lot of teams and we have to play him twice a year.

  11. The Flying Pig says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I know you don’t have to jump over people in the NFL…lol

      but generally his athleticsm shows up on the field

      contrast that with Brown
      I’ve never see Brown play, but he better be one hell of a technician

  12. ElephantRider says:

    What’s better, a turnstile or a tree?

  13. Rockphin says:

    Do you guys remember him playing right tackle for us?

  14. Rockphin says:

    Uh Oh, I posted two links on the same page. I must be spam……..

    This site drives me crazy.

  15. Rockphin says:


  16. Randy says:

    Brown doesn’t play like a parking cone, but he’s not a fluid athlete. I’m actually a little surprised that he tested so poorly, but I never would have drafted him anyway. He’s gonna struggle against the speed he sees in the NFL every week. If you watch his tape, Oklahoma often schemed it so he didn’t have to block the quicker, better edge rushers. That was telling to me.

  17. Rockphin says:

    SOME turnstiles are better at stopping people than others

  18. rich0322 says:

    What Orlando Brown’s numbers do is possibly question his work ethic in the weight room and leading up to the combine. IF he’s not putting the time in to get ready for the combine, will he do it in the off-seasons of the NFL to get ready for training camp/season.

    …I think those are valid concerns.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think he blamed the bench press on his “breathing routine”

      which is basically saying – “I never bench press”

  19. Rockphin says:

    Mondo drive me crazy when he spouts his speculation as fact.

    The Dolphins told Landry’s agent that if no acceptable trade can be found, they are perfectly willing to bring the player back at the $16.22 million franchise tag cost. There will be no long-term deal. There will be no future for Landry in Miami beyond that, folks.

    Folks don’t listen to Mondo when he spouts bullshit like this. It IS bullshit speculation because NO ONE in the front office is going to show their hand to a beat reporter and ruin their chances of keeping or trading a player.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Well it’s believable, or at least a portion is

      The Dolphins would not have franchised him if they weren’t ready to lay the number in the event they can’t trade him

      It’s not that it’s unbelievable – it’s just more capn obvious

      Oh the Dolphins will pay the franchise salary after they franchised him if they can’t trade him – no shit Mando

      You know what would have been inciteful, if Mando would have said the Dolphins plan to franchise Landry if they can’t get a deal done before the deadline to tag a a player. Or the Dolphins will franchise Landry to field trade offers – but Mando didn’t report either of those

      Instead he is just explaining how the rules work as if its insider information “the Dolphins have informed” …come on Mando

  20. Rockphin says:

    Piggy, to me the BS is not that it is believable or not believable. It is that he states it as a fact when it is NOT a fact. Kind of like Prof Lou stating his “facts”

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah – I guess calling it BS is accurate and I just oinked a lot about BSing

      The idea that the Dolphins have informed Landry that they will pay his franchise number sounds like BS or that that he will not be here in 2019 (which no one knows) is certainly BS

      I’m just saying the inevitable conclusion that Landry is paid the franchise number if he is not traded will in fact be true, bc there is simply no other option. Mando just dressed up the rules as insider information IMO

  21. Rockphin says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    March 2, 2018 at 3:30 pm
    wow I hope you are joking Rock.
    I think that is one of the prettiest ones we have on our squad.

    Different strokes Naples. I think she is bottom 5 of the girls on the squad. I hope that Jordy doesn’t get his tail all in a twist from me saying this, but she has a pig nose.

  22. ElephantRider says:

    There is also a possibility that Landry finds that he isn’t going to get the money he wants from anybody…

  23. Rockphin says:

    Pig, There is the option of rescinding the tag and letting him walk for nothing as well. I just don’t find that as realistic, but it is possible. It’s just not a fact until it happens.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I know its an option – but we all know that won’t happen

    • Tim Knight says:

      Once Landry signs the tag, we cannot rescind it and the contract is fully guaranteed. A trade is the only way to move on from him.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I assume he meant before he signs

        Did he sign yet? I thought they already said he would be signing but I don’t know if pen hit paper

      • ElephantRider says:

        He is supposedly shopping for trade but hasn’t signed it yet…..

        There is the chance nobody will pay his price and he ends up signing back with more guaranteed here than the tag would bring….

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not sure, but we’re not going to rescind it now. What would be the point?

  24. pheloniusphish says:

    Look for him to go to the Bears

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’ve heard that rumor
      people keep saying Browns or Bears

      but frankly I think that rumor is fueled strictly by speculation
      The Bears are the new pipeline to Miami with Gase – so I think people just assume it

      the Browns just have $ to spend

      I don’t see anything credible from either team to warrant the truth of those rumors

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Bears need WR, especially reliable ones, for their young QB and they have cleared a lot of cap.

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  31. Tim Knight says:

    The Robert Quinn trade is interesting. I’ve liked him since he was in the draft. Details will be interesting.

  32. mf13ss says:

  33. The Flying Pig says:

    Quinn is a terrific pass rusher but its a bit of a weird trade

  34. naplesfan2010 says:

    There goes our better 4th round pick for DE Quinn.

  35. son of a son of a shula says:

    Ajayi for Quinn

    Is this it for Wake?

  36. The Flying Pig says:

    How do we afford 22M over 2 years for another pass rusher

  37. mf13ss says:

  38. naplesfan2010 says:

    Does this mean we don’t re-sign Hayes?
    We should maybe keep both as they are different type players.
    This means we don’t need to draft a pass rusher that late and hope he is not a bust.

  39. wyoming85 says:

  40. naplesfan2010 says:

    Rams are cash strapped?
    Goff, Gurley, and Watkins ?

    Didn’t they cut Tavon Austin or was that a rumor?

  41. mf13ss says:

  42. son of a son of a shula says:

    They want Harris to be a starter and we have Branch and now Quinn.

    Who’s the bigger cap hit Branch or Wake?

    • mf13ss says:

      Jarvis Landry

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think wake

      as soon as the trade was announced I thought it spelled the end for wake

      BTW folks for those keeping score – in addition to a Landry and Ajayi jersey, I own a Wake jersey style tshirt

      So thinks are working out for me

      • Tim Knight says:

        Quinn plays the right side though so not sure this about Wake but more about more pass rush and deeper rotation.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I think you should buy Brady and Gronk jerseys.

  43. naplesfan2010 says:

    except for the fun of getting a new young guy, this is better since we MUST have more sacks and Quinn is an All Pro edge rusher and only 27-28 yrs old so not a has-been. We know he can rush as good as any 4th round pick will as a rookie.

  44. Tim Knight says:

    Release Timmons and Thomas and then trading Landry and all of a sudden there is cap space. James is another option.

  45. naplesfan2010 says:

    That’s an upgrade at DE no matter where he plays or how many snaps.
    Keep em fresh and rushing in waves.

  46. BailBondMike says:

    If we do trade Landry, I hope we get a top TE in the 2nd (assuming that is what we get) with that pick. We could then either draft WR Anthony Miller as his replacement or if we have 2 second round picks we can go OL and TE in the second and draft someone like WR Braxton Berrios from the “U” in the 6th. He is a Wes Welker type player who excelled in the slot this past year for UM.

  47. Tim Knight says:

    Just heard the swap of picks is the 1st rd.

  48. ElephantRider says:

    Lou is sending you a RT17 jersey Piggy

  49. The Flying Pig says:

  50. mf13ss says:

    Mike Tannenbaum… YOU’RE FIRED!!! 😡

  51. son of a son of a shula says:

    Serious Tim?

  52. pheloniusphish says:

    Per NFL.com – The deal includes a mid-round draft pick going to Los Angeles and a swapping of late-round picks, Rapoport added.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      This would make more sense than swapping 1st, since the Rams would need to sweeten the pot to move up 12 spots.

  53. son of a son of a shula says:

    Sony Michel – I can’t help it, love him.

  54. The Flying Pig says:

    Well I don’t know if Wake is done

    But Hayes on the other hand

    I think his time is over here

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Maybe, But Hayes was a top 5 run-stuffer at DE last season, and the Rams list Quinn at OLB. Different schemes I know, but we ran a variety of looks and Base was less than sub percentage. We could play both these guys.

  55. naplesfan2010 says:

    Quinn has 62.5 sacks in his career in only 7 yrs.
    I have wanted this guy since he was in HS.
    He did not go to Clemson, though, instead he played for UNC.
    Forgive me for name-dropping again,
    but he grew up right next door (sorta) to my grandfather’s farm in Ladson.

  56. BailBondMike says:

    What was William Hayes injury? Can’t remember.

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    Hayes’s IR injury was his back. At his age it could be the end for him. Becauset he also had surgery on a hamstring after that. He went down in late November and only played in about 10 games.

  58. Tim Knight says:

    I think Chris Carlin of WFAN read the report wrong regarding a swap of 1st rd picks because that isn’t being reported anywhere.

  59. Tim Knight says:

    Peter Schrager @PSchrags 9m9 minutes ago

    Quinn-to-Dolphins trade details, per source:

    Rams get Miami’s 2018 4th and 6th round picks.

    Dolphins get Robert Quinn and Los Angeles’s 2018 6th round pick.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Yeah that sounds right with us taking on a big contract.

      Man if we dropped 12 spots in the first for that deal Tannenbaum would have to go into the witness protection program.

  60. BailBondMike says:

    I’ll take Quinn for a 4th, hell yeah! A 6th is a 6th, who cares, lol.

  61. BailBondMike says:

    Naples, thanks for the info on Hayes. I was thinking he may still not be healthy which would make a lot of sense with this move. Scratch DE as a need on D.

  62. Tim Knight says:

    Peter Schrager @PSchrags 1h1 hour ago
    Dolphins are trading for Robert Quinn. Multiple teams were in the hunt until hours ago.

  63. rich0322 says:

    …Basically Quinn for a 4th, I’ll take it.

  64. Tim Knight says:

    Well DL seems to be set. 🙂

  65. son of a son of a shula says:

    Come on and win
    Come on again
    You’ll not seen nothing
    Like the mighty Quinn

  66. pheloniusphish says:

    Son – Dollars to donuts Miami will give Quinn a new contract extension that minimizes the cap hit through a signing bonus.

  67. ElephantRider says:

    Quinn is a 4th and swap of 6ths…..

    I like it!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Mid and late rounds pick for a proven player is a no-brainer. The Rams had to clear some cap to pay Aaron Donald who will be a UFA next year and they’re not letting him walk. He might trump Suh’s deal.

  68. ElephantRider says:

    And by QB money, I mean nowadays QB money

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah he’s gonna make a mint. Top DT’s are the highest paid players in the league except for QBs.

  69. son of a son of a shula says:

    The Rams switched to a 3-4 and didn’t like Quinn as a Lb particularly at his salary. He’s coming to a 4-3 where he is better suited.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep Wade Phillips. Quinn is a pure edge rusher, not a drop in coverage at times guy.

    • rich0322 says:

      Yea, they said he looked uncomfortable playing 3-4 LB, but still put up 8.5 sacks. He definitely has a chance to put up better numbers with us back at DE.

  70. ElephantRider says:

    This is why I don’t listen to any of the noise by these in the know writers……

    Has anyone even heard a whisper about Quinn until now? Another reason not to get all worked up by things you hear and all the poo pooing speculation going on…..truth is they don’t have a clue either, just like us.

    • Tim Knight says:

      There were a few teams interested in Quinn and we didn’t hear much until a deal happened. Lot’s of stuff goes on that doesn’t get leaked.

  71. son of a son of a shula says:

    Landry: ok Miami I made a deal to go to The stej. You get their 3rd and 4th.

    Miami: 🖕

  72. BailBondMike says:

    Son, you and I usually agree on many players, but I am not that high on Sony Michel because of his fumble issues. He is a very talented RB though and my fav of the Bulldog RB’s

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I don’t think he’s the type we’re looking for anyway he’s another Drake but slower.
      Don’t tell Piggs but I do like Guice.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Gase recently said he’s prefer all his backs to be the same so they can play any down (run, catch, block) and nothing changes on offense. He’d prefer 15/10/5 splits than 20/5/5.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Well then…

    • Tim Knight says:

      That is a skill you can improve on though. It’s a mindset to secure ball first and go 2nd.

  73. son of a son of a shula says:

    I still can’t think of Williams’ first name

  74. wyoming85 says:

  75. wyoming85 says:

    He might have you Piggy?

  76. Tim Knight says:

    Was thinking about this; why would we franchise Landry to trade him for just a mid rd pick. Seems like an awful lot of risk for 2nd tier gain. So I would think we know he’ll have teams interested for at least 2nd rd range. A 3rd okay meh! After that why bother?

    • ElephantRider says:

      They don’t have to. Still think Landry may come back down to earth of salary demands…..

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s possible. I really think Miami wants to see what his market is in real interest, not what outsiders suggest. To me, unless a team with a boatload of money loves him, he’s not getting much more than $10M per year. I’d be shocked to see us get a 1st or a 2nd and the trade team pays him north of $14M per.

  77. wyoming85 says:

    That’s a Happy fan!

  78. ElephantRider says:

    I agree with that Tim. They gotta pay his 15M plus give Phins compensation….

    I figure this has to be settled before FA starts. Gonna be interesting…..

    • Tim Knight says:

      You know what too, even though Landry has not signed the tag, the team gave Landry’s camp the go on seeking a trade. So that’s where a deal can be done without the fear of the tag restrictions. It’s early, this just started a few day ago.

      It’s pretty obvious we’re moving on from him.

  79. Tim Knight says:

    Miami doing a great marketing job with Baker Mayfield whether they like him or not. If we love him and are looking to trade up nobody knows. If we like him and would take him at #11, possible. If other teams drafting after us covet him but can’t move up past us, we’re a possibility for a trade.

  80. Tim Knight says:

    I think CLE is the easiest destination for Landry. They have the cap and draft picks. They have to sell him on their plan. But if the money is there, that will also be a factor. LOL

  81. Tim Knight says:

    No need to draft DE. Fill in the blanks?

    • wyoming85 says:

      1. Nelson
      2. Andrew’s
      3. Penny
      4. Leonard OLB
      6. Benkert
      7a. Bla
      7b. Bla

      • ElephantRider says:

        Nelson will be gone before 11…..
        How many people would cry if Phins moved up for him?

      • wyoming85 says:

        I would cry like a little girl if we moved up!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I hate moving up in this draft

        I like moving down
        If Nelson is off the board early – Will Hernandez looks prett good and might be an excellent pick

        Or billy price

        I still love that scenario where we trade with the Bills and end up with 2 first rounders

        And of that happens I am really thinking Guice and OL in the first

  82. wyoming85 says:

  83. The Flying Pig says:

    Let’s say we keep Wake (trotters crossed) and we have a potential 3 man DE rotation of wake, Quinn and Harris

    And we have Suh who is dominant

    And then McMillan is healthy and the player we think we drafted
    And Alexander really continues (I thought he played well in coverage late in the season)
    And if Smith or Edmunds falls to us at 11

    Well that might be a fantastic front 11
    And I already like our secondary

  84. wyoming85 says:

    This would be a change!

  85. The Flying Pig says:

    By the way I prepared a wedge scouting report to run on Sunday last week

    Harold Landry

    So just ignore it guys 🙄

  86. The Flying Pig says:

    If we trade Landry
    Then I think WR becomes an option again
    And this guy – he might be special
    Appeatently clocked 4.35 at Alabama


  87. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, still wondering how people think 6-0 to 6-2 DBs and LBs 200-240 cover 6-4 to 6-6 240 to 260 TEs?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I honestly think anthony might fit this role for us

      • Tim Knight says:

        Maybe, but there is no consistent remedy. The TE’s have an advantage based on the rules. Nobody is playing 6-5/6-6 250 guys at S and LB. It’s always a mismatch. Pass rush nullifies that shit.

  88. The Flying Pig says:

    WY, I like Gallup a lot
    Plus he has a great name

    But Ridley is the top of the class

  89. pheloniusphish says:

    Piggy loves him some WR

  90. Tim Knight says:

    So what do you think we get for Landry? Remember it’s not a pure value deal, it’s to avoid letting him walk as a UDFA for nothing. I think it has to be a player we really like or a 1-3 rd pick.

    The trade we made for Quinn was us wanting another edge rusher and the LAR needing to free up cap for Donald. They took a 4th and a swap of 6th’s to do that. Travis Austin is next for them.

  91. Tim Knight says:

    Looks to me like Wake, Quinn, Branch, Harris and probably Malveaux at DE. Suh, Godchaux, Phillips and Taylor at DT.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We might finally utilize Wake as a situational pass rusher – 20-25 snaps off the edge, not play the run all day too. We already have a 9 man DL rotation. How many teams have that?

      • ElephantRider says:

        They are spending a ton of money on that line…..let’s see some results!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Teams spend on QBs and how to stop QBs. I’m a big believer in being stout up front and pressuring the QB. I’m okay at LB if everyone is ready to go. I like the upside of our secondary a lot. For me it’s about being solid up front on the OL and I think we can compete with anyone. Oh yeah, we need one of those TE’s. 🙂

  92. Randy says:

    I still think we need to upgrade at RG, LG, RT….if we don’t resign James. And, that’s if Tunsil improves greatly.

  93. Tim Knight says:

    Robert Quinn has 175 tackles, 62.5 sacks, 21 FF, 2 FR, 16 PD and 1TD in 7 seasons over 95 games.

  94. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, if Nelson isn’t there I could see us going Guice at #11. The coaching changes to me said the RB position will be a bigger part of what we do. Then go OL and TE.

    We don’t need a QB, we need a backup. It’s not like we can never revisit this situation if Tannehill doesn’t pan out. What no QBs will ever be available again? LOL

    • ElephantRider says:

      What if Edmonds is there?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Maybe, but is a LB the key to this team getting better? Edmunds is maybe another Anthony – big, strong, fast but not great. He’s also viewed more as a 3-4 OLB.

        I hope we target more offense – OL, TE and RB at BPA all the way,

  95. ElephantRider says:

    Team needs better LB and of course OL
    RB @ 11 is a luxury this team doesn’t need, unless they have him graded that high. To me, there’s plenty of RBs to go around later.

  96. ElephantRider says:

    Sorry M

    It’s Edmunds……

  97. wyoming85 says:

    I dout they know anything?

  98. wyoming85 says:

    Ya Piggy but there are 3 wr’s around the 3rd and 4th picks that I like! No to a 1st or 2nd!!!!!!!!!!!

    Gallup, Michael
    Miller, Anthony
    Burnett, Deontay

  99. wyoming85 says:

  100. pheloniusphish says:

    Jarvis meet reality. Reality this is Jarvis, a slot receiver.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      OUR slot receiver

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Son, I hope he realizes that he’s not getting what he thinks he’s worth and stays. But I don’t see them paying $16M for a year. If he signs the tag next week they will have to, but hopefully he knows he won’t get anymore next year and signs a long term contract with Miami for a more reasonable price. If they offered a a $13M per year average as reported, he should jump on it.

  101. Mike E. says:

    WOW! I missed some shit yesterday! Storm knocked the power out for my family and my mother-in-law, so we had to buy a generator for my mother-in-law, and after we get the gas and get the damn thing ready to go, the power comes on. I wasn’t mad in the least, I was pretty happy, and now if it happens again, we’re ready

  102. Mike E. says:

    Come all without, come all within
    You’ll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn

  103. pheloniusphish says:

    Maybe Miami will develop a Spped rush package – Suh at nose flanked by 2 DE on each side.

  104. son of a son of a shula says:

    Perhaps our guys played it right. Jarvis may soon realize the market for him isn’t as grand as he thought. You take that 16 as part of the guaranteed money but structure a cap friendly deal and voila Jarvis is remains here pissing off Tim and Lou.

    And the pig keeps his jersey

  105. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – C’mon man, you got this! OK, I hear ya, better off letting the professionals handle that. 🙂

  106. BailBondMike says:

    Tim, last night you said “Nobody is playing 6-5/6-6 250 guys at S and LB.” when talking about covering TE’s. The first guy who came to my mind was OLB Lorenzo Carter from UGA he is 6’6″ 245 lbs. After watching his tape (every snap against Alabama) he played DE almost every snap. He is very good at maintaining his edge but looks like he just needs to put on weight and focus on being a DE. So I am still looking, LOL.

    • BailBondMike says:

      He is considered one of those freak athlete 5 star recruits but didn’t really show up until his senior year. I was high on him toward the end of the season and mocked him to us a few times but watching more of his tape, he might be a project player in the NFL to start.

  107. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike – Homey don’t play with high voltage.

  108. BailBondMike says:

    Piggy’s future enemy:

  109. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – The article I read said we offered Jarvis $13.5M per. That’s a great offer

  110. “I’m sorry Jarvis, that offer is no longer on the table. We live in a different world than we lived in 12 months ago”.

  111. Mike E. says:

    I’m still digesting this trade. I’m still surprised by it, but I like it. I wonder if Branch is going to be cut, we have young guys behind Quinn and we can also draft a DE. We’re going to be paying more for Quinn on his remaining contract and probably in his new contract too, so why keep Branch? We have to keep him this year with an $11M dead cap hit, but next year it goes down to $2M. Either way, getting Quinn is either going to be insurance against Branch, or if Branch really picks up his game, then you have a tough decision to make, which is a good thing

  112. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – You think it’s his agent, or his ego? I think the latter

  113. Mike E. says:

    Maybe they start working Harris at LE. Am I wrong, or hasn’t Quinn been playing ROLB/RE in both STL and LA?

    • Mike E. says:

      I have to say – It cracks me up when these guys say I need to take care of my family, and $16M just doesn’t cut it. It’s so hard to relate to athletes when they say shit like that. OK, say you can’t play football anymore, get a fucking job like the rest of us, and invest your money wisely

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Like most football players, he’s probably not qualified for anything but football or minimum wage.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Then he is a bigger dumbass than I thought. $16M in one year is the definition of taking care of your family. Properly managed you would never have to work again.

      I don’t see Miami paying the franchise, but I also don’t see them rescinding it until the last minute.

  114. pheloniusphish says:

    I think Quinn is probably Wake’s replacement. Maybe not this year, but Wake isn’t under contract next year and will be 37. I believe they like Branch.

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t know, Quinn’s been in the league for 7 years already on the right side, it would be easier to work Harris on the left side. You and Lou might be right, maybe they think Quinn can make the switch to LE.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        They can put Harris on the left. I’m just saying that it is most likely wake that is the odd man out next year.

  115. BailBondMike says:

    Did the trade with Buff cause Nelson, Smith, and Edmunds were gone. Used our 4th as our compensation for Landry 😦

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 21 (BUF): Hernandez, Will, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF): Goedert, Dallas, TE, South Dakota State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 10: Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 9: Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 11: Warner, Fred, OLB, Brigham Young (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Ferguson, Riley, QB, Memphis (C)
    Round 6 Pick 9: Flowers, Dimitri, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5: McKenzie Jr, Kahlil, DT, Tennessee (A)
    Round 7 Pick 11: Nichols, Deatrick, CB, South Florida (A+)

    Tim, Warner is a good coverage LB: 6’3″ 227

    Bottom Line Warner’s future success could largely depend on who takes him and how they use him. While most will view him as an outside linebacker, Warner moves around like a big safety. With his instincts and cover skills in space, finding a hybrid role in sub-packages might be where he is best utilized. Warner’s size, speed and workout at the Combine may play into his draft value more heavily than many other prospects. Warner should find immediate work as a backup who can help on special teams.

    The knock on him is he tends to be an arm tackler and not a thumper.

  116. We could extend Quinn to get his cap hit down which is probably what we’re going to do but we’d still need to make some major moves to free up the cap necessary to keep Landry under the tag for the season. I doubt the team wants to make those moves and either release guys to free up that cap or restructure and screw up the cap for the future in order to keep Landry.

    So, Landry is either going to get extended in MIA for A LOT less than the original offer or he’s going to be taking less from another team to get out of MIA and get traded.

    A lot of teams are balking at his demands now and are backing away. If he were to not sign the tag and sit out for the year like Omar suggests then he’s only doing it at his own detriment because he not only doesn’t make the $16M dollars he also risks losing out on money come next year during free agency. So, I don’t see that as an option for him.

    • pheloniusphish says:


    • stangerx says:

      Not a huge difference in cap terms btwn $16 mil and $13 mil……but there sure is franchise flat out and a long term contract. Whether with us or another team, have a feeling Jarvis will be getting one of those.

      • no, there isn’t but he’s not going to be playing under the cap in MIA. they’re just blowing smoke up his ass. and, he’s probably not getting the lower amount either to stay in MIA because the Quinn thing kind of put that in jeopardy.

        If he gets $13M it’s going to be from someone else because I just don’t see the team making the moves it would need to free up the cap in order to sign him unless it’s for a much more cap friendly figure.

        some put in on the team, saying that their going to lose out on Landry for $1.5M and that’s not that much more but Landry is the one who should have taken the money because now, if he wants to stay in MIA, he’s not even going to get that.

      • stangerx says:

        I think letting Jarvis and his agent try to work a deal includes letting him see what other teams will offer him, but that is a double-edged sword. All he has to do is sign the tender and work for that $16 mil next season if the offers come up low. I would do that, but then history has taught me that players sure do love that long-term contract. Not sure if it is “set for life” or simply feeling wanted, but hard to ignore it. So I’m going with that happening, even not as certain as you it will not be with the Phins.

      • I just can’t imagine them keeping him under the tag. The moves they’d need to make in order to fit him under the cap would be too damaging to the team in terms of players they’d need to release or restructure and I just don’t think the team is willing to do that.

        So, if he’s not traded by free agency the chances are good they rescind the tag either right before or soon after it begins.

      • stangerx says:

        Maybe I am wrong, but I thought if he signs the tag that it is locked in absent a two-first offer (which won’t happen) or them working out a trade (that would most likely include a long-term contract that Landry would have to agree too).

  117. stangerx says:

    Just onto we have Quinn. He is 6-4 and 250. That makes three of our top four DEs undersized but real talented speed rushers. Time for Branch to to reserve a permanent table at his local waffle house………cause Andre ain’t gonna be getting much pass down down work.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I saw him listed at 6’4″, 270

      • stangerx says:

        That is just what popped up for me…..but the Rams did have him playing LB last year. Maybe Quinn will be eating too. But reading up on him, he was never considered a force against the run.

  118. BailBondMike says:

    Mike E., I liked that draft as well. Deatrick Nichols is not the fastest CB but has above ave cover skills and has played outside, slot and FS. DT Kahlil McKenzie Jr could be a late round steal. He should have stayed another year at TN cause they say he is not quick off the snap and needs to get better with that but he is a beast and very hard to move and requires double teams.

    I didn’t draft a WR, cause we have a group of WR’s waiting in the wings and wouldn’t mind seeing more of Grantman in the slot.

    Also, we could bring in F/A WR Bruce Ellington who was a slot guy for the Texans who ran a 4.31 and a 4.37 40 at his combine. He has been hampered by injuries his whole career almost but believe he is healthy now. He has never really gotten a chance to prove himself due to those injuries.

    Ellington vs NE

  119. Mike E. says:

    BBMike – I have a feeling if we trade Landry, or don’t keep him if things go south with negotiations, we’re going to either go with what we got, or draft another WR probably later in this draft. After picking up Quinn, I can’t see much another FA signing

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Yah, me neither. I think they will roll with who they have on the roster now regardless of what Landry does.

  120. naplesfan2010 says:

    On a side note Penny was faster than I thought he would be at a nice 4.46 and Ballage also had a very nice time at that same number. We could wait and take one of them not in the first and still get a fast guy with fresh young legs who weighs in the 220s. I’d love either of those guys.

  121. Rhino says:

    Is it possible that the bounty of DLs on our roster means that Fins might let Suh go to free up $ for other areas of need? Curious what y’all might be thinking.

    • stangerx says:

      Good to see you Rhino, but letting Suh go doesn’t free up much cash does they did a redo on him like two years ago. If they didn’t would be different. Would help with the cap going forward, but get the sense they are more worried about this year.

  122. pheloniusphish says:

    Landry not signing the tag and sitting out the year threat is ludicrous. The longer he waits to sign it, the longer Miami can hold on to him. If he waits until July and they rescind it, he’s screwed. The more time goes by the less market he has. Why would the team rescind it before they need to? They can wait until July, too.

  123. Randy says:

    Interesting trade for Quinn. I think it’s a little leap to expect him to go back to DE and play like he did 3 years ago. He played OLB last year. He really hasn’t played at a high level at DE for years, has he? I think Wade Phillips is a great defensive coordinator. Maybe there’s a reason he moved him to OLB. He’s never been a strong 3 down DE, so I doubt he tries to do it here. I’m guessing more of a sub package edge rusher. He’s had a bad shoulder and concussion issues…possibly part of the reason they moved him to OLB because he can’t hold up to the pounding on the LOS.

    • BailBondMike says:

      Spoiler, LOL

      • Mike E. says:

        There’s a show on cable (It’s awful) called Adam Ruins Everything. On this blog, it’s Randy Ruins Everything. lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        I hate that show. How many times do you want to punch Adam just seeing the trailer. LOL

        Quinn is a 4-3 edge rusher, not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 OLB even though he did have 8.5 sacks last year. So being that he’s not a 3-4 fit and the Rams need to sign Donald, they traded him. He is a perfect fit for the defense we run.

  124. BailBondMike says:

    Mike E., I agree about the cap room and adding other F/A but think Ellington would be on the cheap side coming off his injuries. I was thinking to at least bring him in for a look.

  125. mf13ss says:

  126. naplesfan2010 says:

    Quinn got 8.5 sacks last yr in 14 games, so that is not too bad at all, especially for being moved to OLB in a 3-4 D.

    He’s definitely not big enough to play DE in a 3-4; those guys are more like DTs.
    Wade Phillips has always preferred the 3-4. He didn’t just change because of Quinn.

    • stangerx says:

      He played LB last year in a 3-4. Not sure if he was a true on or like Wake was in our (where he was rushing 4 out of 5 plays)

  127. pheloniusphish says:

    Landry and R1P11 to the Bears for Jordan and R1P8.

  128. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jordan Howard is 6’1 225, he’s only 23, has averaged 4.6y/carry in his career (for Chicago), caught 52 passes in 2 yrs, was pro-bowl as a rookie, and wasn’t our new OC his coach that year?

  129. pheloniusphish says:

    I think players who decide not to do drills at the combine should have their invitations rescinded.

  130. stangerx says:

    Howard is still on a rook contract. Assume if that trade was done the draft pick(s) involved would be ours.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      But that would not hurt our cap at all and free us of the 9 million I was willing to pay Jarvis.

      • stangerx says:

        For sure the trade would be real cap friendly. Part of why think the pick involved would be ours. I’d do Landry for Howard straight up at the same salary.

  131. Tim Knight says:

    Daniel Greenberg @ChiSportUpdates 29m29 minutes ago
    The Chicago Bears and the Miami Dolphins have had conversations about Jarvis Landry and a third-round pick to the Bears in exchange for Jordan Howard and a swap of the Dolphins pick at No. 11 overall for the Bears at No. 8.

    Things are getting very interesting.

    • stangerx says:

      So that would be like a high 2nd (Landry) the 3rd and the swap to #8 back (probably worth another 2nd). I’d actually be cool with that.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It would probably cost a team a minimum of a 3rd to move up from #11 to #8, maybe a 2nd as you suggest. Than it’s like Landry for Howard straight up.

  132. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jordan Howard’s Bears nickname is The Bulldozer.

  133. pheloniusphish says:

    I think I could be a GM. If only I had a BarcaLounger….

  134. naplesfan2010 says:

    at the combine he ran the 40 in 4.59.
    He was one of those guys who left Alabama Birmingham when their program shut down.

    He transferred to Indiana and did well there. He had set UAB all time rushing yards in a season record.(1587) The step up to Big Ten did not scare him as he became 1st team all conference his only hear there.

    His comparison is Arian Foster, a Gase fave.

  135. Randy says:

    Sorry…just not sure how Quinn fits in our defense, is all. Disregard my comment! Lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, why are you not sure? His best seasons were in a 4-3 as right side edge rusher. He was slowed up for a couple of seasons with injuries but he’s still young (28 in May).

    • stangerx says:

      Not sure why you are sorry…..best take on Quinn that cam out on the board. And he is in aqua now. We’ll see what they do with him. DL is looking strong, but then it did before. They thinking Brady?

  136. Randy says:

    He’s terrible against the run, so I don’t consider him a 3 down player. I see him as a pass rush specialist. And, he hasn’t had a whole year…or a productive year as a DE in 3 years. Nobody knows how he’ll play at DE now.

    • Mike E. says:

      What you say might be true, but we’re not paying him $11M per to come in on 3rd down, that boy is STARTING for better or for worse.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Well it’s not rocket science, I don’t think he forgot how to play DE. LOL

  137. Mike E. says:

    I Like Jordan Howard, I had him in my keeper league, which i think is now going down the tubes unfortunately. I kept track of him and watched him a lot. He’s a good complement to Drake. He runs hard. I remember a game last season towards the end, he racked up a lot of carries, and did really well. I’d be more than happy to have him here. Wondering though who it is we want that we’re trying to move up.

  138. Randy says:

    I bummed everybody out! Lol

    • Mike E. says:

      C’mon Randy – We’re used to it already. You put the kibash on everything, it’s cool. Still love ya!

    • stangerx says:

      You just brought the facts. Only thing that bums me about Quinn are his salary, that he is not good against the the rush, and that we have three edge pass rushers now.

      • Tim Knight says:

        If you watched him before he had some injuries and medical issues which are a concern, he played the run well. In fact he blew up quite a few running plays in the backfield because that is where he lived.

      • stangerx says:

        I was just reading what some football folks and Bears fans said about him, but they could be biased and wrong for sure. Have no doubt that he has made some nice tackles on RBs.

  139. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – O Rob is back, he was here yesterday, or maybe 2 days ago. He’s like a shark, he smells a powerback in our midst. lol

  140. Tim Knight says:

    Then there is this. That time of year. LOL

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
    Worth noting: There is zero desire by the #Bears to trade RB Jordan Howard, sources say. Doesn’t sound like there will be any splashy Jarvis Landry for Howard deal.

  141. bookman11 says:

    I dont comment too much, but I like the Howard trade scenario….of course I have also been drinking…..on a mini vacation in Florida.

  142. Mike E. says:

    Did Goedert not run the 40?

  143. Tim Knight says:

    For our defense to work the way it’s designed, is contingent on our offense to control the clock, score points and play with a lead some of the time. Something we have not done much of. Then these guys can pin their ears back and attack.

  144. ElephantRider says:

    Jordan Howard can’t catch a cold tho…… doesn’t fit Gase wants of a RB

  145. Mike E. says:

    Bookman – As you can tell, I’m clueless of my limitations, it’s everyone else here that knows them. lol

  146. naplesfan2010 says:

    vague rumor that maybe Trey Burton TE comes to us. He’s the former college QB who threw that SB pass to Foles. We already have a converted Qb to TE in Gray, so we aren’t scared of that, plus we have some kind of kinship with Philly.

    They can’t afford to keep him with Ertz there already.

    meh he’s too small for my taste at TE — 6’3 235 (That’s almost exactly my size, which was ok when I played TE, but that was before the days of face guards on helmets.

  147. naplesfan2010 says:

    No 40 time on Goeddert yet, but Gesicki had a great time … the same as Samuels: 4:55.
    There are RBs not that fast. (and LBs wink wink draft Gesicki)

  148. naplesfan2010 says:

    Josh Allen ran third fastest 40 QB time. Very nice 4.75.
    Lamar Jackson did not run?
    Mike White 5.09
    yikes that is slow.

  149. rich0322 says:

    Hurst put up a good time. I was wrong when I said he might be the fasted, though. He ended up having the second best time, behind Gesicki.

    Oh and I’m not counting Samuels as a TE. Lol.

  150. ElephantRider says:

    Goedert only did bench? Lol

  151. naplesfan2010 says:

    I’d love to get Hayden Hurst or Mike Gesicki to catch passes ( or maybe Ian Thomas) and then later take ND TE Durham Smythe to block.

  152. naplesfan2010 says:

    Smythe is a classic “Y” tight end who carries himself like an offensive lineman. He has the frame, toughness and ability to help do the dirty work as a run blocker for teams in need of toughness at the position. While Smythe can catch what is thrown to him, he’s unlikely to be a targeted pass catcher on the next level. Smythe’s particular talent as a run blocker should create an opportunity to become a solid starter for years to come.
    Has good size and should continue to grow into his frame
    Has a finisher’s demeanor as a blocker
    Plays like an offensive lineman
    Technically sound blocker
    Hand placement is accurate and he unlocks his hips into opponent
    Runs his feet on down blocks until the block is secured
    Understands his landmarks and takes proper angles
    Excellent timing and radar when working up to linebacker on combos
    Plus blocker for the position in-line and on the move
    Trustworthy in pass protection
    Was able to work the seam and lay out to make the catch
    Unfazed by hitters in the middle of the field

  153. naplesfan2010 says:

    “There are only a handful of the old school tight ends who are big enough and able to help you in the run game and Durham Smythe’s one of them.” – AFC area scout

    NFL comp is Dion Sims — Zierlein

  154. Ken says:

    I absolutely hate the proposed trade. We will lose our best player on offense for a guy at best who split time with Drake. We move up 3 spots which doesn’t put us close enough to the to QBs. I will be very green if this trade happens. On top we get Howard who is a nice player but it is a draft deep at RB. SMH

  155. Mike E. says:

    I noticed Fumagali didn’t work out either, except for the BP, which was a less than adequate 14

  156. Ken says:

    Power finally back after about 36 hours without it

  157. mf13ss says:

  158. wyoming85 says:


  159. mf13ss says:

  160. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t think Quinn will bust but he is boom or just decent. A lot has to do with his durability. He’s gotten pretty banged up because he plays fast and violent. Let’s hope he has a few good seasons left.

    • ElephantRider says:

      At least 2. Lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        I said few because we could spread out his contract over 3 years with guaranteed up front.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’ve read that back injuries have really hurt his ability to bend the edge… perhaps that’s why he was tried as a LB this past season.

      • ElephantRider says:

        Ireland back? If they are hurt, we’ll take em!

      • Tim Knight says:

        He moved to OLB because he’s not a 3-4 DE and Wade Phillips runs a 3-4. He’s not really a rush/space OLB either. He’s an up the field 4-3 edge DE. He fits our defense to a tee. It’s all about durability with him. He’ll have to pass a physical for the trade to go through so it’s not a done deal.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        He “tried” OLB because Wade Phillips is a 3-4 coach instituting a 3-4 defense.

  161. ElephantRider says:

    Lol. Still good with the trade tho

  162. Mike E. says:

    It seems like we have a few possibilities at TE, let’s just hope we can identify one of those fuckers and actually put the card in for one of them, without using 3 picks to do it!

  163. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t really like the Howard for Landry trade rumor

    I also think it’s prime grade bullshit

  164. The Flying Pig says:

    Not that it needed to be emphasized
    But after the combine I think most sane people can admit that Saquon Barkley is really special

  165. Tim Knight says:

    I see you Phish. 😉

    Quinn is basically Wake on the right side. We like to rotate our DL so I don’t think an addition like this means someone else is out. We used one DT and 3 DEs on the rush in sub packages last year. Now you have Wake, Quinn and Harris. They’re QB hunters. Branch and maybe Malveaux can play more run situations.

  166. naplesfan2010 says:

    all in all I’d rather draft Rashaad Penny and trade with the Bears straight up Landry for switching us from 11 to 8.

    • Tim Knight says:

      11 to 8 gives you a better shot at Nelson or a QB.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      If that’s not enough for us , we could swap our 3rd for their 2nd.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I like trades like these, they’re strategical without giving up a lot.

        In the case with Landry, we’re looking to get some kind of compensation instead of just letting him walk. It’s not going to be big stuff. Moving up in the draft gives us new options and there is value in that as well. Say we did that and that’s how we landed Nelson. He’s projected to help us turn things around on the OL. That’s a win. I think the running game is going to be more prominent and the coaching changes point to it.

  167. The Flying Pig says:

  168. mf13ss says:

    Tim and Phelon,

    Ah! Got y’all with Phillips coaching a 3-4 Defense. Goes to show ya how much I followed the Rams last year once Case landed with the Vikings. 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      I followed them because I had Goff as a backup QB and Gurley was my main back in FF. 😉

      It’s the same situation as when we signed Mario Williams. The difference was he was over 30 and Quinn will be 28 in May. Mario was done. I hope Quinn has a few more years left.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      naplesfan2010 says:
      March 3, 2018 at 2:29 pm
      Quinn got 8.5 sacks last yr in 14 games, so that is not too bad at all, especially for being moved to OLB in a 3-4 D.

      He’s definitely not big enough to play DE in a 3-4; those guys are more like DTs.
      Wade Phillips has always preferred the 3-4. He didn’t just change because of Quinn.

  169. The Flying Pig says:

  170. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 2, 2018 at 8:58 pm
    No need to draft DE. Fill in the blanks?
    *= traded Jarvis Landry for an additional 2nd rounder

    1. Roquan Smith, OLB, Georgia
    2a. Mike Gesicki, TE, PSU
    *2b. Frank Ragnow, C/G, Arkansas
    3. Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State
    4. Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond
    6. Darren Carrington II, WR, Utah
    7a. Skai Moore, OLB, South Carolina
    7b. Christian Campbell, CB, PSU

  171. naplesfan2010 says:

    on that parkour video above, how do those guys find such perfectly spaced buildings? Every time I try to do that, the buildings are all too far apart, and i have to take the damn elevator back down and try again months later, then, same ol same ol. They must be in some east bloc ex communist country where they built everything too close together and had no urban zoning codes. Makes it easy for them.

    • ElephantRider says:


    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think they are from an eastern bloc country

      That’s a really perceptive observation

      The buildings with the open blocks in the middle was really weird to me – so I know it’s a foreign country and you are probably right about the zoning laws affecting the spacing

  172. ElephantRider says:

    Trading up to 8 isn’t going to get a QB.

  173. Tim Knight says:

    To me if you’re trading Landry and you want to move on, you use him as a chip to do something that helps you achieve your offseason goal. We’re not getting a boatload of picks or anything for him. We’re trying to get something decent for him is all. It’s never gonna blow everyone away. I don’t think his market will be very big either.

  174. The Flying Pig says:

    Bottom line to me is – don’t trade Landry unless you are getting a high kick in return

    Early 2nd at the latest

  175. The Flying Pig says:

    Baker Mayfield looked good today

    Suck on that Mayfield haters

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think he’s rising not dropping. I don’t think he gets past the Jets unless there is another QB there they prefer.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        They might sign cousins

        I don’t know what teams prefer but I’m getting the feeling the consensus is like Maycock has it which has Mayfield 4th

        That doesn’t mean a team like the jests won’t take him
        But it does mean the jests probablybhave tonprefer him to Rosen, Allen or Darnold

        When it comes to QB, teams differ a lot I guess

  176. The Flying Pig says:

    I think Nelson is one of the best players of not the best player in the draft but I don’t think anyone trades up for an OG

  177. mf13ss says:

    What if we traded Jarvis to the Ravens? We’d probably swap R1P11 and R1P16, and possibly come away with their 2nd and 3rd rounders in return.

    • Tim Knight says:

      No way a 2nd and a 3rd.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Let’s say Landry signs his tender and plays for one year
      And then leaves via free agency next season
      Then you probably have a comp pick coming down the line and it might be a 3rd round or maybe even a 2nd

      It’s not worth it to trade him when you start getting into 3rd and 4th round picks

      When players leave via free agency, the team they left still gets value back
      So we can play this franchise tag game with him unless we get really good value that far surpasses anything we get back down the line via a comp pic

  178. The Flying Pig says:

    Also will hernandez looks really good to me
    And when you factor in Smith and Price
    There’s going to be good interior OL in the 2nd round
    You don’t have to go all out for Nelson by trading up for him

  179. Tim Knight says:

    Landry may also find out he’s valued closer to $10M than 15. Teams aren’t exactly knocking down the door for him and they are free to do so. I said a long time ago if a team offers Jarvis 5 years $50M (half guaranteed) take it because it may not come around again. Has to feed his family. Stop!

  180. The Flying Pig says:

    Are you talking about the franchise rules?
    I’m just talking about a trade before Landry signs a tender

    • Tim Knight says:

      Teams aren’t going to pay Landry top dollar and give up a mint. He’s not attracting that kind of attention already and he’s open season.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Well that’s reason why he won’t be traded and I agree with it

        But that’s not reasthe n we should settle for less
        If I’m the Dolphins I make a team do that or I keep Landry
        I think that’s the point of the tag to begin with

        I think Landry is in Miami in 18
        But possibly gone in 19

        And if it plays out that way – I’m not really blaming the FO or Landry

  181. Tim Knight says:

    If you’re Cousins where do you sign? I’d target MIN and DEN.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      It depends whether he wants to be on a contender or not

      But I’m a cynic
      And I think it’s none thing to turn down more money in theory that’s actually doing it
      I think the jests are real contenders for him despite the fact that they suck donkey genitals

  182. mf13ss says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s not on the level of either of those players. I hope a team does view him that way though, we should get a 1st rd pick then.

  183. The Flying Pig says:

    Catch up later
    I’m going out on the town now
    FYI – I’m drinking UFO beer tonight in honor of wedge scouting reports for Mayfield, Guice, Chubb and Freeman…lol

  184. mf13ss says:

    • ElephantRider says:

      He’s market has been set….now Phins can sign him to long term deal. Give him more guaranteed and lower cap hit. Win win……

      • ElephantRider says:

        To me it makes no sense to tag him knowing you’re letting him go next year…..just let him go now if that’s the case.

  185. mf13ss says:

  186. Ken says:

    I think this was our leverage with Landry. You want 14-15 million a year? Well find a team that is willing to pay you and we will trade you there. If not here is 16 million and we will talk to you next year. We essentially just let the market set his price

  187. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I know you’ve said goodnight, goodnight! I think the Dolphins want to move on from Landry. So solid compensation will be accepted. No less than immediate compensatory picks a year earlier or a strategic option in the grand scheme of things. That’s what we should expect.

  188. Tim Knight says:

    The divide has already been set, Landry gets traded, he’s not coming back to Miami. Make a deal that works for all parties and move on. The offense is being turned over as we retool the defense. Not odd with a new regime in place heading into year three.

  189. son of a son of a shula says:

    I wouldn’t draft Darnold.


  190. Tim Knight says:

    By the way, stop worrying about the salary cap. It always works out doesn’t it? 😉

  191. son of a son of a shula says:

    Shaquem Griffin put up 20 reps with ONE arm Orlando Brown, one arm.

    Damned impressive, wow

  192. Tim Knight says:

    The Cowboys could be a destination for Landry. They like to run it and Dak is more smart dink and dunk then big throws. I could see a Dak, Zeke and Jarvis offense for them.

    #50 and maybe one of their two 5th rd picks – 171 and 173?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Or maybe a trade down to #19 in some way or form.

      Landry to the Cowboys for an OL and a swap of 1’s, maybe we get an additional 5th. I see something like this.

  193. pheloniusphish says:

    Landry is signing the tender so the trade with da Bears can go down.

  194. pheloniusphish says:

    Son – Darnold=ghey , but Rosen=bigger ghey.

  195. ocalarob says:

    Landry has to sign his tender right away regardless whether he has a team willing to pay him or not, he can’t procrastinate as Teams will fill needs via FAcy and the draft and spend their cap money, if he has any chance of getting paid he has to sign the tender right away, If Miami rescinds it after the draft he’s screwed!

    i wouldn’t read too much into this action

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I think there is a trade and deal pending his signing

      • ElephantRider says:

        I never understood why wait anyway. It’s a guaranteed $16M paper. That’s the absolute worst thing in the world? Hope his family can afford shoes now.

  196. ElephantRider says:

    He has all the right to not sign, but run the risk of getting it pulled back. He can’t be traded until he signs either.
    He might be close with another team now or he probably would of waited.

    I’ve gone back and forth on this whole thing…..I can’t make up my mind. I hate all of this.

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