Executive decision here . . . I’ve decided to ditch the Free Agency articles, it’s a lot of work, and I really think at this point, a waste of time, because I think most of our spending is done. We do get the $17M from letting the Ndominant one go, but that’s in June, after some more cuts happen, and it’s too complicated to try and figure out who those players may be, soooooo, ON TO THE DRAFT!!
As I mentioned, Suh is no longer playing 874 snaps for our defense this season, so other guys are going to need to step up big time. Of course, we’re not going to stay pat with what we have, we will surely be drafting a DT, but in what RD that happens is very much up in the air (at least for us!). Jordan Phillips has said he wants to be a better player, and we’ll need him to be, and 2nd YR player Davon Godchaux will need to continue to develop. behind those two, it’s looking pretty thin with 2nd YR DT Vincent Taylor, Gabe Wright, the occasionally used DE/DT William Hayes. I’m going to take a look at a few prospects I like that can help our team. Most will be early RD picks, but a couple of late ones too.
Vita Vea 6’4 347 Washington
Most likely the first DT off the board in the 2018 NFL draft, will it be by our Miami Dolphins? It’s a possibility, but cool your engines, there are a LOT of possibilities, and on draft day, things we don’t even foresee happening may happen, which could shake up even the best laid plans. Back to Vita Vea, who is a behemoth of a DT. Both he and Da’Ron Payne, who I’ll discuss next are the highest rated DT’s at 6.5 by NFL.com. Vea was a 3 year starter at Washington, playing in almost every game each year. Playing in the Pac-12, Vea was pretty consistent his last 2 seasons, piling up around 40 tackles and in his Sophomore season tallying 5 sacks, and last year, his Junior season 3.5 sacks. He’s not really a penetrator, he’s more of a space eater. As to whether he could occupy 2 blockers like Suh did, or whether we’re even looking for that type of player is another story. While Suh was effective at that, did it make our defense any better?
Vea did well at the combine, at least at the weight rack where he threw up 41 reps, and actually, at 347 lbs, running a 5.1 is pretty damn impressive as far as I’m concerned. Zierlein compares Vea to Danny Shelton, who besides now residing in the AFC East with NE, has had a rather unremarkable career. I believe Vea is more athletic than Shelton, and although Vea’s a little larger, he moves much better than Shelton does. The Dolphins have scheduled a visit with Vea as one of their 30 allotted visits. That visit may go a long way as to whether he’s in our plans at #11 or not.
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Da’Ron Payne 6’2 311 Alabama
Da’Ron Payne was actually close in size to Vita Vea as a HS recruit at 350 lbs, but Payne has managed to keep his weight down to just over 300 lbs. While Payne isn’t as large as Vea, he’s also more of a run stuffing DT who happens to be excellent at tackling. Payne is a power player, but he’s not as athletically gifted as Vea is, and doesn’t move as well. What Payne does better is hold his ground, shed blocks, and make tackles. I actually think Payne would fit very well for our team. He’s also not a penetrator like Aaron Donald, and won’t be racking up sacks, but if we could plug in a DT will make tackles in the run game, I’m down on that.
At Bama, Payne slowly built up his playing time, and saved his best for last. In his Junior year, Payne finished with 36 total tackles and 1.5 sacks. Payne’s Junior and last season was best with 53 total tackles along with 1 sack. As you can see, Payne has not been a pass rushing DT, but that doesn’t mean he can’t improve that as a pro. Payne put up 27 reps at the combine, but don’t be fooled, he’s a powerful guy. Zierlein says Payne is ready to start right out of the box, so that would be great for us, because we could use Godchaux in passing downs, where I think he will improve.
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Taven Bryan 6’4 291 Florida
You look at Taven Bryan, and you think of a big TE, or maybe a DE, but he doesn’t strike you as an interior defensive lineman. He’s built narrower, without the extra thick lower body and belly area, but those qualities make him a better pass rushing prospect than the 2 aforementioned DT’s. Bryan improved each year at Florida garnering more playing time each year. In his final year (Junior) he finished with 37 total tackles, 6 for a loss, along with 4 sacks. He’s still very raw, but has more of an upside as far as a pass rusher. He’s not going to be a run stuffer like Vea or Payne, but could turn out like a guy named Cam Jordan, who he was compared to. Jordan has had a long career playing DE for the Saints in a 4-3 defense, and 59.5 sacks later, playing very well, thank you! Does that mean Bryan is destined to play outside? It’s possible, or maybe he becomes a great pass rushing DT like Aaron Donald, or Justin Tuck. Did I mention he’s from Wyoming? Did I mention his dad was a Navy Seal?
Unlike Vea or Payne, Bryan may not be a plug-n-play DT, but more of a work into the rotation kind of guy, but his athleticism gives him a lot of upside. The problem with us drafting Bryan is he would have to last to RD 2, and depending on which way we go RD 1, if we go defense in RD1, I have RD 2 slated for our next TE, so I can’t see Bryan being in the cards, unless we trade back in RD1, which is always a possibility with Mikey Tradey Pants, because staying put is just oh so hard for him.
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Harrison Phillips 6’4 307 Stanford
Smith is actually one of my favorite DT prospects, if not my favorite. While the other guys have upsides, this guy has been producing his last 2 seasons at DT, after getting little playing time his first 2 years at DE. Phillips is a former wrestling champion, and that’s a great attribute to bring to to the trenches. While Phillips isn’t a gifted athlete, he’s an effort guy, and man, did his effort show this past season. No typos here, Phillips racked up 98 total tackles (61 solo) which is basically 3 times or more the totals of the top 2 guys. Phillips also had an extremely impressive 17.0 tackles for a loss, along with 7 1/2 sacks, to give him 14 1/2 sacks in 2 seasons as a DT.
At the combine, Phiilips continued his great effort with 42 reps, and that’s not with short stubby arms, he has 34″ arms folks! Zierlein compares Phillips to Ryan Glasgow (Who?), but I’ve heard a better comparison, and that’s Kyle Williams, who has had a very successful 12 year career with the Buffalo Bills. I see that type of potential for Phillips. Everyone is always enamored with the athletic guys, but it’s the effort guys that go, and keep going in the NFL, and Phillips is just that. He’s also a RD 2-3 guy, and it may be unlikely he’s still there in RD 3, but if we haven’t yet addressed DT by then, and he’s still on the board, I think he’d be a great pick for our Dolphins.
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Derrick Nnadi 6’1 299 Florida St.
Nnadi is more of a mid RD prospect, which may suit as well as far as timing. If we go away from DT in RD 1, and we get our TE in RD 2, we can start looking for a DT a little later, from RD 3 on, and really, It’s not like we didn’t have success last year with Godchaux giving us nearly 600 snaps last season from Rd 5. Nnadi is built like a fire hydrant, low center of gravity, thick lower body. Nnadi was a starter since his Sophomore year at Florida St, and was pretty productive. In his Senior year, Nnadi totaled 53 tackles with 10 tackles for a loss, along with 3.5 sacks. In his Junior year, Nnadi had 6.5 sacks, to give him an even 10 in 2 seasons.
Zierlein considers Nnadi a NT, but mostly he’s an active player with a good motor who may be a potential starter. Just a note, Nnadi played at over 310 lbs at Florida State, he cut weight for the combine, and he still ran a 5.38, so Nnadi isn’t a TE prospect playing DT, he’s a big boy who belongs in the trenches.
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Deadrin Senat 6’0 314 South Florida
Senat played at South Florida in the American Conference, obviously not the powerhouse of NCAA football. On the other hand, Senat is still a very good prospect, also in that middle round area, maybe 3-5. Senat was pretty productive at S. FLA, and in his Senior season, logged 66 total tackles, 10 tackles for loss along with 6 sacks. Another powerful interior defender, Senat has a short squat frame that enables him to get better leverage in the trenches. Not considered to pass rush threat because of a lack of pass rush repertoire, and not the most athletic prospect to begin with, Senat can be a good rotational player that can hold his own and make tackles. Senat put up 35 reps at the combine, and has a strong upper body. Senat probably won’t be an NFL starter unless a coach gets a hold of him and improves his technique, but could still be a valuable player in a DL rotation.
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There are so many prospects, and I’m sure I’ve left out some of your favorites, so shout ’em out and tell me who they are. Some guys I almost put in were B.J. Hill, Nathan Shepherd and Maurice Hurst, who I believe still has not been medically cleared.
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Nice article Mike E
Thanks Hulk
It would have been nice if we had drafted DT’s years ago when I wanted them. I still think we need to trade down and pick up extra picks though. That’s my mantra every year until we do it right. lol.
We drafted one in RD 2 in ’15, and two in ’17. When was it you wanted us to and we didn’t? 2016? 2014?
4th!!!
Good stuff, Mike! I think you downplayed Da’Ron Payne’s athleticism a bit though. I don’t know why but I feel like he’ll be a better pro than Vea. Just one of those hunch things. LOL
I hear that, I may have done that
Those mod rounders Nnandi and Senat really interest me
Seems like kind of slim pickings up top
Just me?
Nope, it is. Once you get past Vea and Payne, and if Hurst isn’t cleared, there’s a big drop off. It’s kind of like DE, where once you get past Chubb, you have Davenport is has a lot of upside, but isn’t nearly the prospect Chubb is.
“347 lbs, running a 5.1” is super impressive. Looking to play high-end football and having to cut down from 350 to 300 not so much….even if am sure Bama’s strength coach was helping make that happen. And Harrison Phillips was a three-time Nebraska state wrestling champion (that’s tough).
Thanks for the teaching Mike E. I figure Vita is in play at #11….and wouldn’t complain at all it we traded up into the bottom 2nd to take Phillips after getting the TE of the future in the top of that round.
Are you going to do an article like this for TEs, LBs or RBs?
Yep, all of them
Glad the patriots aren’t being talked about anymore
I’d rather have him in the NFC if possible, but if he’s not in our division, I guess I don’t really care.
MIke,
The year before Soliai’s and Starks contracts were up. 2013 when we traded up for Dion FF.
Gotcha – That one hurt us pretty bad, and it wasn’t even the compensation we had to give up which was negligible, but that draft had a ton of promise going in, we had the #12 pick, then we had two 2nd RD picks, two 3rd RD picks, along with I believe the full complement of picks in every other round. We ended up with FF, Jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas, Dion Sims, Mike Gillislee, Caleb Sturgis, and Don Jones. It was just hideous! I wanted Des Trufant in the 1st, and there were at least 10 CB’s that Piggy wanted in that draft, and we came away with Taylor, and I think there were a few Samurais that draft as well, DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter (borderline Samurai), Robert Woods
So the word is we are actively seeking to trade out of the #11
Back or forward?
My guess would be backward, curious to know also
Many of us have discussed this as a possibility, but where is that being reported?
I didn’t see it but some people said it was on NFL Network
Wyo’s quiet way way of saying Mike, you fucked up leaving those two out . . .
Not necessarily fucked up, But?
Nice article these are just 2 late rounders that caught my eye when looking at prospects
Tim, Piggy
How’s the snow by you guys? It jut really got started here in earnest just about a half hour ago, although it was snowing much earlier. It just started to accumulate, maybe a 1/2 inch right now, but it’s snowing harder and heavy now.
It was light and wet hours ago, maybe 3 inches but not sticking to the roads or sidewalks. In the last hour it changed to sticking and a steady flow now.
That’s what she said…
It’s oinkable
I went to the dentist, then to my office and now I’m going to he gym
The subway seems to be running
It’s a pretty normal day for me
HENDERSON, ZAYCOVEN DT 6’0″ 305 Texas A&M
Looks good on tape but has one “F”‘d up story to tell
Texas A&M’s Zaycoven Henderson arrested on felony assault charges
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21730494/zaycoven-henderson-texas-aggies-arrested-felony-assault-charges
Report: Texas A&M lifts DT Zaycoven Henderson’s suspension
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tamu-football/report-texas-lifts-dt-zaycoven-hendersons-suspension/
What is this pro-Tannehill bullshit propaganda? He always sucks, and he wouldn’t know what to do with the slightest bit of pressure
Love, Randy
I sometimes wonder what people are watching. He gets talked about like he can’t do anything well yet his stats in many forms suggest the opposite. I really hope his knee is good to go and he continues to build on what he started 2016. I saw a significantly better player once he got rolling. Is that not allowed? LOL
I think he really improved until he got hurt, but he has to get back to that, and I think we’re doing what we can to make sure that happens.
He was playing well in that ARZ game – 15-20 195, 9.75 YPA, 3 TD, 1 INT and a 21-9 lead in the 4th quarter which was at times a sloppy monsoon game. He also rushed 5-20. That was the last we’ve seen from him and we seem to talk about him based on his worst games.
I get not thinking he’s a top QB, it’s the denial on how well he was playing in 2016 until he went down that annoys me. LOL
LOL!!
https://screenshots.firefox.com/Lm7vJKOBEp28hA0j/twitter.com
I don’t like when players say shit like that because they know how it’s going to be perceived. You went to LA because they were offering you $7.5M per for 2 years. The Chargers haven’t exactly been winning in recent years.
Snow slowing down quite a bit, not sure what to make of this storm. Maybe it’s going to come in waves. I’d say we got 4-5 but a lot of it melted on impact and was absorbed so on the lawn it’s more like 3 and on outdoor furniture it’s more like 5. The plows just came by and now there is that pile on my driveway apron. Ugh!!!
The good thing is warmer weather is in the forecast next week, even as high as mid 50’s at the end of the week.
lol. i’ve never claimed he sucks…just that he is average…which he is. When you throw 20 WR screens a game, it’s easy to have a pretty stat like that. and, let’s not forget Tannehill’s had a pretty good guy catching all those short passes….who’s now gone. not that anybody cares but son!
Ah, you may never have spelled it out, but I know you’re thinking it! lol
Brady throws about 30+ of those per game and he’s magnificent. In 2016 Tannehill and the WRs all went up in YPA numbers. Tannehill averaged 29.9 passes per game, the lowest in his career. He was getting more down field chunk yards than the heavy screen stuff under Lazor. Why, because we were playing off of Ajayi’s run and executing much better play-action. But the OL was still inconsistent and was just as much a reason as anything else for stalled drives. I hope we get back to that with our new backfield and hopefully please for the love of God… the OL is a solid one, not one that is considered a problem. 🙂
you’re typing isn’t keeping up with your thinking. you’re talking 2016 and then you’re talking Lazor.
No… Gase became HC in 2016, Lazor was 2014-2015. My point was RT wasn’t throwing 36-37 avg times per game anymore. He had more 20’s under Gase and more balance on offense and it was more productive. We went 10-6 and made the playoffs. The model is there.
That Pouncey thing cracks me up. I can’t remember the last time we lost to Phillip Rivers
The two i think should have been added were Hill and Jones from NC State. I think they are going to be pretty good, definately guys we should think about day 3.
Justin Jones – Yeah, he’s one I could have put in there, but I cut it off at 5 prospects
I believe both of them are better than Senat and maybe even Nnandi, though in the right system i think Nnandi could be pretty good.
Tim i know that Randy doesn’t seem to you to be giving a fair critique but yours seems a bit unfair too. The guy deserves to be considered a average QB at this point, ie he isn’t crap but he also hasn’t shown he is someone you pencil in for years to come. He is what his is, a QB with above average athletic ability, better than average ability in ideal circumstances, but does not maintain his composure when plays break down or go deep into read progressions. He also hasn’t also show the all important designation of consistent. Even if he was consistent with his average/above average play id be good with him but there have been plenty of times, actions of his own like not protecting the ball and allowing strip sacks, or taking sacks while we are driving for a late go ahead TD, etc that make it hard to believe in him. I know you do, but that’s not the place most of us are, and we arent Tanny bashing to believe it, we just aren’t giving him a pass for the negative things. He needs competition, he needs to push himself past the hurdle he has always been behind, show some consistently good play and let the rest of the team help him to wins. He does that and the rest of the bickering goes away, or at least largely does.
D, if you go by what have you done lately, RT was playing at a high level until he got hurt. I have always said he’s not a shotgun all day sling it 40+ times QB who carries the team. He’s more of a movement, play-action QB. I finally saw it in 2016 and that’s what my view of him is all about. In a balanced offense I can see him excelling and our team being good.
You see how Alex Smith turned his career around later in his career. They play the same game. Rich Gannon did the same thing. I think RT is more talented than both Gannon and Smith.
At this point it’s all about if his knee is sound. In no way do I think the time off playing in games will somehow have a long-term effect on him like he’s forgot how to play which gets suggested all the time. I find that silly.
I’m also not against bringing in competition for him. He isn’t either. I think we forget these guys have spent their lives competing to get to where they are. They’re not afraid of it. That’s what drives competitors, to win.
these tweets are classic:
methinks Prince Andrew’s Luck has run out as all those hits seem to have taken a toll on his sanity.
Ya’ll are too easy!
MikeE,
Nope! There are absolutely things to like about Tanny, but there are also things not to like. That’s kinda what makes a player average. I know you were just messing with me, but I really don’t think Tanny sucks. The only thing I think he “sucks” at is his awareness and pocket management. He’s never been ranked higher than 12th…and it’s usually been around 15. So, how can anybody say he’s been anything more than average? Oh wait…the new term….high end average. Lol
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I will and always have enjoyed watching people get so butthurt by Tanny “criticism”, but I try to be honest about it. It is all about entertainment, after all. Lol
Nobody is butt hurt, I think some of us tend to defend scapegoats. RT is not an elite QB with no warts. I always say so what? Neither is Russell Wilson and he’s won. But never on his arm alone, it was a strong running game and defense. Just saying. 😉
I think RT can be a part of a winning team if we’re a solid overall team. That hasn’t been the case. Let’s hope that changes this year. 2018 is going to be a very big year for this team as currently constructed.
Tim,
A well-balanced and competitive team would be nice. I barely remember what that looks like. Lol
We saw a stretch and a nice run and then it was gone. LOL
Please don’t trade up!!
Thanks
Randy – Yeah man, totally just messing with you.
The thing is, there really isn’t a QB out there that can make his team win when the rest of the team doesn’t rise to the occasion. I remember the playoff game years ago between the Packers and Seahawks. Some people will say that Russell Wilson led his team to victory, but that fucker put them in such a deep hole, but the Seattle defense really stepped up, after being down 23-7 in the 3rd QTR. Neither QB really played well that game, Wilson was 14-29 209 YDS with 4 INT’s and 1 TD, and Aaron Rodgers wasn’t much better with 19-34 178 YDS 1 TD, 2 INT’s. I remember Russell Wilson getting mad credit that he won the game, but the SEA defense and Marshawn Lynch rushing for 157 yards, with a lot of those in the 2nd half won the game, Wilson just made one crazy throw, and his defense held. I’m not comparing Tannehill to Wilson or Rodgers, but we both know it’s a team game, and when the talent on your team shows well, the QB usually looks a lot better.
Aaron Rodgers isn’t Aaron Rodgers when the team around him breaks down. It’s happened. Danny Boy went through it too. When things are working overall elite QBs can take you to another level. When things aren’t working teams struggle regardless of QB. RT has never been stocked with excellence around him and he ruined it. LOL
Hey now…Is Randy making fun of my “high end of average” phrase? That is a highly technical statistical term!
I thought that was done days ago. I think his projection is to replace Michael Thomas.
https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/976601853629677568
“At this point it’s all about if his knee is sound. In no way do I think the time off playing in games will somehow have a long-term effect on him like he’s forgot how to play which gets suggested all the time. I find that silly.”
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Typed it out a hundred times but i cant find a way for it to make sense to you so im just leaving this alone.
LOL! Quitter!
Its not about quitting its about trying to try to come up with a worthwhile argument that might be seen through the completely blinding glow that Tim sees falling from the heavens creating a halo around Tanny. Like i said before, somewhere in the world there is documentation that Tanny is a groupie love child of Tim from his rock legend days.
So Tim is Arron Rogers and Tanny the same level QB, and the reason Rodgers is seen so good is they have better players around him? Are we maybe too hard on Henne because, ya know, we just didnt have good enough players around him, and thats why he seems to stink so bad?
I just dont get your argument.
It’s a merry-go-round debate. Not worth it. Let us see it play out rather than speculation.
For what its worth i want to see him do well because i think the QB position does drive the team and his success is ours.
Doesnt change the importance for us to be ready for him to either suffer another injury or whatever may happen. We cant go wrong having good competition at that position.
Tim Knight says:
March 20, 2018 at 8:48 pm
M13, sorry about your friend.
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Thank you, my Brother.
Chris Mortensen @mortreport
Baker Mayfield works out today for the @MiamiDolphins, per source
11:40 AM – Mar 21, 2018
This news comes a week after the Dolphins and Mayfield were unable to have a private dinner prior to the quarterback’s March 14th pro day.
https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/976601853629677568
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Um… our own Phins don’t know how to spell his name correctly? LOL
Typo? The title header above has his name spelled correctly.
Look at the actual tweet… not the title header! LOL
I know M, I saw it, that’s why I said typo. The picture with him being the featured guest is correct, the tweet is either a typo or maybe you’re right, a spelling error.
When you look at our current OL you can say we’re better or have potential. Then we say but… these guys never stay on the field together. Yes we have a few changes but still no history playing together and being durable. It starts now. On paper it looks solid, we need some luck. 🙂
LOL @ D! I think Tim and I both have a very similar opinion on Tannehill. that doesn’t make it right necessarily, but I get what he’s thinking mostly because I agree with it. FTR, I don’t think either of us think Tannehill, but we both feel he can play well enough to be near a top 10 QB. As is the case with most QB’s they need some help from their team. Tannehill may need more help than Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, or Drew Brees and a few other guys, and that’s fine. Suh needed help to make this defense great, and he never really got it, but that doesn’t make Suh not a great player, and I’m not saying Tanny is as good a QB as Suh is a DT, but one player can’t make everything work.
One positive Tanny tweet set’s the board on it’s ear!
I didn’t realize it was this fun!!!!! 🙂
I know, I know… I’m a stickler for spelling people’s names correctly. But it IS kind of important when referring to the correct person, not someone else who’s name is spelled differently.
I’ve been correcting people for YEARS regarding “Stranger”… his name is “Stanger”, damn it! 🙂
Remember when we had Randy Starks and a top 10 run D?
We won 11 games that year with a noodle arm QB. Won the AFC East right?
(although he was deadly accurate out to about 30 yds.)
All true, but that was also the year that Tom Lady* went out for the year in week 1, thanks to Bernard Pollard.
Whose side are you on, bro?
j/k
Besides, we split with the patsies* and still won 11.
LOL, you KNOW I’m on OUR side, Bro! I just had to state the unfortunate reality. 🙂
For me “needs” are a legit TE, a solid backup QB and a 2nd RB. “Wants” are more talent anywhere.
I see the pundits say the Dolphins need almost every position under the sun. It’s lame and silly. How do we replace Suh, Pouncey and Landry when over the last 3 years the team went 6-10, 10-6 and 6-10. Hmmm… maybe salary didn’t match the performance. At the end of the day we can go 6-10 without you. That’s the message.
So what happened to ‘BPA philosophy’?
I have no idea what that means?
When you think about BPA, what does it mean to you? To me it means not drafting a prospect graded at 5.6 because you really need that position over a prospect graded as a 7.0 talent. Are you on board with that?
No it does not mean, if you just drafted a top QB within the last couple of years, you take the top QB the next year because he is BPA. You know why, because another team will come calling for that pick?
Why do you keep harping on this with me? I’ve said many times common sense is part of the equation.
I keep seeing people list endless needs and think to myself WTF
I think TE is a need entering the draft
I think that’s our one need
I think your view of our “needs” depends on how you view what we already have in place. I think of it more as what areas would I like to upgrade. Where might we have a weakness? Where do we have depth players starting….or where do we need depth? There are tons of factors. That’s what makes the draft an inexact science, in part.
I don’t think of any of that stuff as “needs”
basically every position fits into those categories
Well, I go off what’s been said by people who know better and that is you never pick for need because then you end up reaching a lot of times. You pick for talent. If BPA matches need then it’s a perfect match.
And I agree that when you’re picking you always want to upgrade where you can so just because you’ve got plenty of players at a certain position doesn’t mean you pass up on a talent that can transform that position for you.
So, yeah, we NEED at least one TE in this draft unless we have foresee someone getting cut later that we think we may be able to pick up with Suh’s money but we all know that we’re not picking a TE at #11 because the value isn’t there.
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Kaep to us, huh? Really??? REALLY??? Gregg Rosenthal is smoking CRACK. WOW…
They Keap trying to find a spot!
Steve Ross has already stated that there will be no more ‘kneeling’ from our Phins players, Kaep probably has a contract on his head from all of the American-Cubans he’s offended by his BS, and Kaep is likely not even in football shape. SMH
Not true. Ross said he would prefer players took another tact.
Piggy,
If you look at it in a literal sense, no team has any needs because they all already have players at every position. Lol
Tim Knight says:
March 21, 2018 at 9:15 pm
I have no idea what that means?
When you think about BPA, what does it mean to you? To me it means not drafting a prospect graded at 5.6 because you really need that position over a prospect graded as a 7.0 talent. Are you on board with that?
No it does not mean, if you just drafted a top QB within the last couple of years, you take the top QB the next year because he is BPA. You know why, because another team will come calling for that pick?
Why do you keep harping on this with me? I’ve said many times common sense is part of the equation.
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All good! Common sense makes PERFECT sense, as opposed to a strict ‘BPA principle’. That’s all I’ve ever said, as well. 🙂
I just “need” to interject something here because I feel it’s necessary. Arguments have been made in the past that you don’t take a player at a certain position because we had players already there at those positions but when the player is a clear upgrade you CAN and should do it whenever possible.
That’s how teams get better. For instance, when Wentz was in the draft and we traded down instead of being the team to move up to get Wentz the argument was that we didn’t need a quarterback because we had Tannehill. And, yeah, that was probably the thinking of the team at the time and there’s nothing you could do to change that.
However, when you’ve got a clear cut upgrade at a position you’ve got to take the chance.
I’m just using this as an example because it happened recently but just because you have a player at a certain position or you have enough players at a certain position, like with wr this year, doesn’t mean you pass up a huge talent.
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I see it’s been fixed! 🙂
He’s admitting Suh’s contract was a mistake, not the player.
I still say since Grier has been GM we’ve been more resourceful and not over the top.
There it is. The BPA vs Need merry go round.
Kind of like the TanneHATERS vs the TanneHOMERS.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
March 21, 2018 at 9:25 pm
I just “need” to interject something here because I feel it’s necessary…
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Let us say, just for example (as unlikely as it would be), that Bradley Chubb falls to us @ R1P11… and we’re already STACKED/OVER-LOADED at the DE position. Do you take him?
In doing so (to take him), would be to blow-up our current D-Line plan (gotta cut/trade somebody, if ya can find a taker), ya don’t address a need by addressing a non-need, voids aren’t filled, and we’d come out weaker — OVERALL — by not addressing team-building as a WHOLE.
I totally agree with this.
If Chubb was a guy you had rated that much higher than anyone else on your board you sure do and I’ll tell you why. You’ve got Wake, who will be retiring soon. You’ve got Hayes, who is here for only one year and is up there in age too. You’ve got Branch, who you have an out on in ’19. So why wouldn’t you take the guy at DE who is, by far, the top rated DE in the draft. There is nobody else in the first at that position who comes close and you’ve got 3 players who you could be without next year you may need to replace.
Here’s the thing you’re missing on this, IMO. We stacked ourselves at that position based on not seeing the ability to have a chance at someone like Chubb because of where he’s projected to be drafted.
You had the Eagles, who had Bradford, trade up to get Wentz. You had the Chiefs, with Smith, trade up to get Mahommes. It’s not unusual for a team to move up for a guy they feel is the future of their franchise. The difference with Miami and Tannehill is they felt Tannehill should be given another chance and this year we’re probably going to see the same thing. I can’t see this team using a ton of picks to move up and get their qb this year. The cost to do so is going to be too great.
Colin Kaepernick made his goal more about social justice than being a football player. End of story. Every time I see a comment about how a lesser talented QB got signed over him as a sign of racism makes me want to tell people how stupid they are. His agenda is not about about football and the NFL is about football. Really? Are you that f’n stupid. His head is not in the game, he’s got other issues on his mind which is fine. But leading a team is not one of them. Duh!!! LOL
^^^
He’s all in on being a SJW at this point. His choice… but that, coupled with a lawsuit against the NFL, tells me that he’s DONE as an NFL player.
He doesn’t play well, decides to take on a cause, ruins his image as a leader and QB, then wants to accuse others of collusion. Yeah okay… it’s everyone else, Colin. Never you. Go away!!!
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30 other teams didn’t move up for Wentz. 1 team even passed on him. So….there is clear cut upgrades at positions every year, you can’t sell your draft to get them
Didn’t wentz hurt his knee and not even get 2 full seasons?
Not trying to make this a political discussion, but until we come to a common order, the extremes will rule the day. Pro right and pro left is out of control. If you truly believe in freedom, those two entities don’t exist. Think about it!
Mankind divided is mankind controlled
Divide and conquer.
If you could draft unlimited times or in some other way shop multiple channels, then fine.
But we have exactly 1 first round pick and 5 quality picks total.
We did what we could in FA.
We simply cannot go into an NFL season with what we have at TE or RB IMHO.
That is a need x2. Frankly, I think we need a DT now also.
Waiting till all the NFL starting caliber TEs are gone because you see a WR, a CB, a DE, a SS, and a OT with higher grades each time your pick comes up is irresponsible. (Meaning we use up our R1, R2, R3, R4a, R4b picks w/ no TE)
IMHO ditto RB and DT.
We can’t start 3 OTs, 5 CBs, etc. We just acquired 2 starting WRs in FA and already had 2 on the team. We can’t start 5 WRs.
We can’t play 16 games with no back-up RB. That’s what got us to 1-15.
and we can’t win these days with a converted QB as our top TE.
I don’t care how good Ridley is, we should not draft that position.
The FO made its decision to fill WR in FA and pass up the chance at Ridley.
all IMHO of course
(and contingent on the status quo holding through the draft, which is highly debatable)
They are flexible now. BPA at 11…..fill in rounds 2-4
so you want to draft a TE at #11 even though the value isn’t there? there is no TE that’s worth the #11. I disagree on Ridley, of course, because when you need help on offense and you’ve got a player THAT good you take him. Then, when you get your TE he’s going to be that much more effective because you’ve got a wr on the field that nobody can cover. It’s all about the pieces. There is no one TE that’s going to make that much of a difference by himself but if you put the pieces together, as a whole, that’s how you attack a defense.
Naples, notice teams love their draft picks – during all these trades we’ve seen they have to swap 6th and 7th rounders. Teams will make trades, but don’t want to lose on draft picks year after year.
There is no reason to give up picks this year unless they are going after Barkley. Lol
Again, doesn’t matter what the #’s are at any one particular position. It’s what you’ve got to work with there that makes the difference. You can look at any number of positions on this team and say we’ve got too many players there right now to draft anyone at #11 for that same position.
Exactly.
I agree. We have too many WRs to need one in round 1.
Waste of a good pick.
People act like the pick number where players were drafted affects their play.
This is only true in the rare instance where too much media or fan pressure is placed on a kid to be a star and they buckle under it, or when a guy gets passed over and gets a chip on his shoulder to succeed.
These usually work out by regressing to the mean anyway. Because if a QB can’t handle media pressure, he will never be a star, and other NFL players are naturally tough and aggressive enough to knock chips off shoulders.
During games, there is neither an advantage or disadvantage given to high draftees, nor is there an advantage or disadvantage given to insulted draftees. That’s all in write-ups later.
I say if Mike Gesicki, Hayden Hurst, or (FO fave TE by their research) is there at 11, take him and be happy we solved a huge need for the next 5-10 years. Because if one goes at the bottom of the first and the other goes at the top of the second, and we must settle for an ordinary TE instead of a stud, we are in BIG trouble at TE, which has hurt us with 2-4 losses for years and years already.
That kind of thinking got us Odrick instead6if Thomas in 2010
If Chubb (the DE) is there @ 11 you definitely take him!
Unless someone else is there you have rated Higher? (don’t know who that would be)
When it’s time to get the TE you want trade back up to get him!
Or stand pat? Whichever way you want to go!
Don’t reach! and by all means if you can get to drafting next years FA replacements that would be ideal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe they are going to fix the mistake from a couple of years ago!
I thought Gore was retired…lol
I guess they just want to sign a vet back this offseason
Imo that is a sign of the high likelihood that we will be selecting a RB
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Just got to work after digging out of about a foot of snow. I wake up my son, at about 6:30 to come and help me, he sits up, and says OK. He doesn’t get out there until about 10 minutes after my wife, which was at 8:30, he said he thought he was dreaming. I said “When the fuck do you ever dream that I come into your room and wake you up and ask you to help me shovel?”
that sounds more like a nightmare!
Exactly!
The thing with signing NaVorro Bowman, are you getting Lawrence Timmons Part II? Is he done, and just going through the motions? Bowman was a great player, but I think injuries have taken their toll on him. If he’s healthy and ready to go, I would look at him.
WOW – NY Giants trade JPP to Bucs!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-trade-jason-pierre-paul-to-buccaneers-in-blockbuster-trade-that-shakes-up-draft/
A 3rd rounder and a swap of 4ths
I think the Bucs got the best of that trade
Don’t think you can get the same caliber pass rusher with a 3rd – but I guess Vernon and ngwawke are 3rd rounders – so sometimes it works
I suspect the giants wanted to unload him
Lot of that going around…lol
Yeah, there have been so many trades, and apparently more to come. The landscape of the NFL is changing with the higher cap
Even more reason for the Giants to trade down for a ransom. All they need is the Bills and one other team competing.
Yes, and no. They may want to stay put and draft Chubb. If they trade back too far, he’s gone.
I think the Browns still control things. If i were them there is 0 chance i take a QB with pick 1. I would take either:
1) Take some retarded trade up from a team like the Jets, Bills, maybe even Denver who might want to ensure they get the top pick, and meanwhile im not going to be moving back much. I wouldn’t trade back enough to sacrifice my ability to get one of the top 3 QB’s, along with a top position player. If i trade with someone in the top 5 i still can get one of the top 3 QB’s, possibly even one of the top 2, and a player like Nelson or Barkley, given the person that trades into 1 is going for a QB.
2) Select Barkley. Sure people may say if you have your shot at your QB dont pass that up, but having the 4th pick means with this set of QB’s and people in between not pressured to get one of the top 4 QB’s puts me in the position to still get one of the top 2 QB’s and yet securing Barkley for me. The Giants could take Barkley, they have need at RB as well, so why risk that and Gamble that Barkley is still there at 4. Its a much riskier proposition and you are giving up a more talented player going at it in the other direction.
I really could see the draft falling like this (barring re-re trade ups)
1) Browns: Barkley
2) GMen: Chubb
3) Jets: Darnold/Allen
4) Browns: Allen/Darnold
5) Broncos:Nelson
6) Colts: Edmunds/Smith
7) Bucs: Fitzpatrick/James
8) Bears: Ward
9) 9’ers: Davenport
10) Raiders: McGlinchey/James/Fitzpatrick
11) Dolphins: Mayfield/Rosen
I cant see us passing on a QB if Mayfield or Rosen are there, and i think there is a decent possibility both are unless the Bills sell the farm to move up to 2 or 6, and i think the G-Men are set to stay put and take Barkley or Chubb depeding on how the Browns play it. Even with the Bills moving up we should be left with Rosen or Mayfield.
I also see us having a real shot at either Smith or Edmunds, and an outside shot of having at least James or Fitzpatrick as well, and of course all other not listed should be in play as well. I could see the Colts doing another trade back if they get the right return on the trade, as they should still be able to secure one of the top LB’s if they trade back to 12, but with us having a need at LB as well they might think better of doing that.
Would be a nice pick up for QB#2 on the cheap!
Noooooooooo!
What round should we expect the FO to go for a TE, and then who might that be? Best ideas?
2nd, maybe 3rd. Gesicki, Hurst or Goedert, I think Gesicki may go RD 1, and could definitely be gone by our 2nd pick
Add Hurst and Fumagali to that list.
Then they could go in the first 3!
I already added Hurst to the list, he’s the 2nd guy I mentioned. 🙂
Ken – So how do you really feel about Osweiler making a visit to MIA?
Hulk angry!
No interest until now?
If we sign him cheap it would be a great #2QB!
If he’s not cheap pay for his flight back!
Recap
Round 1 – Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
Round 2 – Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
Round 3a – Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State
Round 3b – Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn
Round 4a – Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State
Round 4b – Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky
Round 4c – Kendrick Norton, DT, Miami
Round 4d – Shaquem Griffin, LB, UCF
Round 6 – Tony Adams, G, NC State
Round 7a – Mason Cole, C, Michigan
Round 7b – Christopher Herndon IV, TE, Miami
Round 7c – Braxton Berrios, WR, Miami
I would change
Round 2 – MIKE GESICKI, PENN STATE
Round 3a – S JESSIE BATES
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Mike E. says:
March 22, 2018 at 12:37 pm
I already added Hurst to the list, he’s the 2nd guy I mentioned. 🙂
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I meant Andrews and Fumagali!
Ok, gotcha
D says:
March 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm
I think the Browns still control things. If i were them there is 0 chance i take a QB with pick 1. I would take either:
1) Take some retarded trade up from a team like the Jets, Bills, maybe even Denver who might want to ensure they get the top pick, and meanwhile im not going to be moving back much. I wouldn’t trade back enough to sacrifice my ability to get one of the top 3 QB’s, along with a top position player. If i trade with someone in the top 5 i still can get one of the top 3 QB’s, possibly even one of the top 2, and a player like Nelson or Barkley, given the person that trades into 1 is going for a QB.
2) Select Barkley. Sure people may say if you have your shot at your QB dont pass that up, but having the 4th pick means with this set of QB’s and people in between not pressured to get one of the top 4 QB’s puts me in the position to still get one of the top 2 QB’s and yet securing Barkley for me. The Giants could take Barkley, they have need at RB as well, so why risk that and Gamble that Barkley is still there at 4. Its a much riskier proposition and you are giving up a more talented player going at it in the other direction.
I really could see the draft falling like this (barring re-re trade ups)
1) Browns: Barkley
2) GMen: Chubb
3) Jets: Darnold/Allen
4) Browns: Allen/Darnold
5) Broncos:Nelson
6) Colts: Edmunds/Smith
7) Bucs: Fitzpatrick/James
8) Bears: Ward
9) 9’ers: Davenport
10) Raiders: McGlinchey/James/Fitzpatrick
11) Dolphins: Mayfield/Rosen
I cant see us passing on a QB if Mayfield or Rosen are there, and i think there is a decent possibility both are unless the Bills sell the farm to move up to 2 or 6, and i think the G-Men are set to stay put and take Barkley or Chubb depeding on how the Browns play it. Even with the Bills moving up we should be left with Rosen or Mayfield.
I also see us having a real shot at either Smith or Edmunds, and an outside shot of having at least James or Fitzpatrick as well, and of course all other not listed should be in play as well. I could see the Colts doing another trade back if they get the right return on the trade, as they should still be able to secure one of the top LB’s if they trade back to 12, but with us having a need at LB as well they might think better of doing that.
It’s also possible that Ridley goes top 10. I’d be surprised if McGlinchey goes that early, I figure late RD 1
I could see the Bears taking Ridley.
The Raiders really need OT though. Donald Penn is like 35 i think, and they really dont have good depth at the position. I could see McGlinchey benefiting from just being such a strong need for them, but they also could use LB and S, so it could be one of the other guys i listed, i think it just matters what their draft strategy is. Ridely could go top 10, and i could see the 9’ers taking him, but i think in general he is not the BPA for them at 9. 9’ers also need pass rush and from almost all big boards i have seen, Davenport is being ranked higher than Ridley by a good bit.
I considered both those things you mentioned though so obvisouly i see the same things you are seeing, i just wanted you to know that i did take that into consideration when i did that list.
Phish, the bears put a ton into WR in free agency, i think they add three top players, i dont see them going WR early in the draft with other, higher rated players on the board.
D – I could definitely see the 9ers taking Davenport
I really dont see the love for Gesicki, i have him like 4th in my TE list behind Hurst, Goedert, and Andrews and mostly because his blocking is not very good at all. He and Schultz are pretty even with Shultz being a better blocker and Gesicki the better receiving threat but overall pretty even.
I’m valuing his receiving skills. He’s already a dangerous receiver, he can improve as a blocker. You can’t teach speed and athleticism. I’m not sure if he’ll ever be a good or even decent blocker, but we’re missing that receiving TE so badly, and I think he’s the best in this class in that regard.
I’m pretty sure that no matter who we pick, it will be the wrong pick.
Tru dat
IMO, if one of the big 4 QB gets past the Broncos at 5 (and I don’t think the Broncos are taking a QB), he will be there at 11, barring another Bills trade up.
D – What WR did the bears sign besides Allen Robinson and Taylor Gabriel? Gabriel, at 5’8″, 165 has to be a returner/role player, and Robinson is coming off an ACL. I don’t think either would preclude the bears taking Ridley.
They have Kevin White who is due to finally have a good year, but I agree, they could take Ridley. Heck, if people think we can take him, then the Bears certainly can too
I don’t think a QB will last past #7 and I think the Browns would be follish beyond belief to not pick a QB at #1. There is a huge list of reasons why QB is always the pick at one unless they are all terrible that year(which never happens). I can list a smaller list of why you always pick QB but the examples are all over the place. There is a strong reason to pick a QB and either trade back at #4…or even pick QB again at #4 if you rate him highly as well. It isn’t reasonable with the Browns wanting to cash in the picks they’ve accumulated…but it is good strategy.
Would agree with you on Browns going QB at #1, except this year they know they will also have the choice of at least two of the top 4 at #4 if they don’t. They go QB up top and the Giants go Barkley….trade down at #4 is really possible.
Was tempted to tell Phish and D that no way does one of the top 4 QBs fall to #11 cause some other team will jump up. But then remembered how shocked I was once when thinking we could get steal of a QB and didn’t take him.
Ha! I wanted Brady Quinn, but Ted Ginn Jr. and his family have outlasted Quinn in the NFL
D:
I would bet my bottom dollar the Browns are taking a QB at #1. 2 years ago they passed on an opportunity to select a QB at the top of the draft. Last year both those of the teams that drafted the QBs the Browns passed on wound up in the playoffs. The Browns FO was summarily fired. The Browns are drafting a QB this year.
That would be the safest bet, but I would put the odds of them taking Barkley at #1 above whichever one QB you want to name. One of my friends is a huge Giants fan…….he claims they see Webb as the future QB and has a viagra thing for Barkley if he is there.
Me too
Kansas City is signing RB Damien Williams to a one-year, $1.5 million deal. And I was thinking we might sign him for say three mil. Maybe the injury recovery is not going well.
D
I find it hard to believe the draft would fall the way you said above
We know the browns will take a QB
I think they take their guy at qb with the 1st overall pick instead of waiting for their 2nd
They can take Barkley later and if they miss him they have early picks in next few rounds in a deep rb class
The jests are taking a qb too
And the Bills are probably going to trade up for a qb. After trading up to 12 before the jests trade, they probably realize they have to trade up again, and they have a 2nd 1st rounders to work with
And then of course Denver and the Giants are real threats to select qbs
But I think browns, bills and jests all select a white before we pick
And the 4th taken might go in the top 10 too via a trade up or Denver/Giants
Lou
No I still hate that Odrick thing to this day. We traded down way too far and settled for Odrick and Misi and that is exactly what I am talking about NOT doing.
Take the man you want, to hell with what number he is.
A guy’s draft number lasts a very short time — sometimes only minutes — and only matters a little bit as his rookie contract works through. Missing a great TE hurts for years.
A draft pick is just a number. It means nothing.
If you get the guy you want, then you should be happy.
If you piddle around waiting until his value exceeds his draft number, then you will probably miss out on him and that is far, far worse than taking him “too high,” since a perceived pre-draft ranking is just opinion. A guy’s career is fact.
It’s also a fact that we can win next year without another WR,
but we cannot win next year without another TE.
Ken,
why are you against Osweiler? Is everybody here against us signing him?
I’m indifferent. We need a better backup QB than what we have, so it’s either someone like Osweiler, or drafting a QB somewhere in this draft.
I have watched him enough. He is horrible. No accuracy and poor mechanics. We would be better off with Fales
I’m ok with Osweiler as the #2QB CHEAP!
if he’s not on a dollar store deal send him home!!!!!!!!
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Dolphins signed Frank Gore to a 1YR deal
Gore is heading back to Miami….grew up here and went to UM. Sounds like a retirement move, but even if he is old put in a solid year last season. No complaints.
Thats a good power back to pair with Drake
WOW I called this several months ago but never thought it would come true.
He’s a real pro. I hope he can help us.
Thats fine, but there is logic to my suggestion the Browns would take Barkley first. Just look at the RB situation, the Browns can get a once in a decade RB who starts day1 or a QB thats going to sit behind a starter for a year, Also there are pro’s and con’s for every QB so far, that make them all about 6 vs a half dozen as a selection. There is no comparable RB. Also, if they let Barkley pass them, very likely the Giants select him with the 2nd pick, meaning they got a QB comparable to others they could have just as easily gotten at 4, and pass on a RB there was no comparison to in this draft. Id much rather come out of the draft stacking my offense with a RB and then a QB, knowing im getting two of the best offensive players instead of locking down one and likely missing out on the other. Sure they could take Nelson, but their OL isn’t than bad, and their RB situation is pretty awful and always has been.
I totally agree with this.
D – It all depends on whether the Browns FO feels like you do. If they do prefer a QB over the other 3, then they won’t screw around and take a RB and jeopardize the QB they want. If they have them graded the same, and don’t care which one they get, then Barkley isn’t a ridiculous pick at all, and I’ve said they could do this myself many times, but that all hinges on whether they have a preference or not.
I understand that, and thats kind of what im basing it off of. They havent shown a preference to one of the QB’s… If they had, i would probably lean a little towards them selecting a QB first, even if i would still call that a foolish move.
naplesfan2010 says:
March 22, 2018 at 3:03 pm
A draft pick is just a number. It means nothing.
If you get the guy you want, then you should be happy.
If you piddle around waiting until his value exceeds his draft number, then you will probably miss out on him and that is far, far worse than taking him “too high,” since a perceived pre-draft ranking is just opinion. A guy’s career is fact.
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This is my point, Barkley should be just as likely for 1st overall, as he is i am sure a guy they want, and the QB they want has never sounded like it was set. You keep hearing Allen, or Mayfield, or Rosen or Darnold, you havent heard “The Brows are absolutely in love with this guy” you heard it with Wentz and Goff, you heard it with Luck, you heard it almost every year that the team with the number 1 pick was eyeballing a QB. This makes me feel the Browns know that all of these QB’s are going to take some time, so why wouldnt Barkley be higher on their list and therefore a cant pass on him prospect over any of the QB’s especially when they have the 4th pick overall in their pocket.
The G-Men may take a QB, but that’s not at all what im hearing and it makes sense with what they have, that they have a luxury to take a player who is a higher overall graded prospect. Same with Denver. Denver would be completely stupid after signing Keenum not to take, arguably the best player in the draft in Nelson. In fact the only reason i didnt say the Brown would take Nelson with the 1st pick is their OL situation isn’t too bad. I cant see how Nelson isnt available to them and i cant see them not taking him. The Giants are said to be looking for pass-rush and after trading JPP they probably have Chubb in their sights.Id be pretty shocked if they didn’t take him, again, he is a big leap ahead of the other prospects so why pass on him to take a QB you are parking behind Eli and with Eli still being pretty solid. I am not saying i couldn’t see it with them, i could, they do need to start planning for the future past Eli, but they have a couple years to do that and there is nothing in this QB class that says pass on a game changer in Chubb.
again I agree with all of the above
Mike, you got a foot of snow? By me there was no nor’easter or as we used to call them a blizzard. It just snowed a bit. Maybe 5 inches, it stopped early evening and today 50 degrees and sunny melted much of it. Sorry you got hammered. They were saying 12-18 for us but not so much. LOL
We had about 5″ somewhere around 7 or 8 PM, and they said it was accumulating at an inch an hour at that point, and it snowed till about 2AM. The good thing is it wasn’t that crazy heavy snow we got last time it snowed, like slush. This was good packing snow, it shoveled so much easier.
Gore was still pretty productive with the colts last year. He had over 200 carries and over 900 yards
But he was below 4 ypc
He obviously in decline
I don’t think the Dolphins are done at RB
I think when you are in a RBC situation and you are the grinder back, 3.5+ is fine. Its an effective average for grinding out hard yards. He wont be the feature guy here like he was in Indy so i think he probably has a little better YPC average, because he will be mopping up games as long as we find a way to get a lead before the 4th quarter lol
I hope not, but Gore is just the type of vet they did need. Powerful, steady, a hard worker and a career that would inspire the young guys.
I think they wanted a vet presence at RB and Gore is as good it gets in that regard. I’m sure we’ll draft a RB, we basically have to.
I’m sure they wanted vet and so do I
Provided it doesn’t affect that we are still going to draft one
Id be OK with Osweiler as our backup, though he really doesn’t make me think great backup candidate. I think its like the article said, Osweiler is more a guy we can bring in like a break in case of emergency guy, i also think it sets the tone for us to select a QB, day 1 or 2, and that guy or Osweiler might wind up as the guy who comes in if Tanny goes down again. So i dont think they see him as a true backup, more like having a cheap Cutler already on the roster. Some QB’s have backup written all over them, they arent special, they arent going to carry a team through hard times, they hopefully though can be consistently average and let the team help them past a tough time. Moore was good for that, but really only for short spurts of time. If he had to act as the starter very long he started showing his bad side. Fitzpatrick is probably one of the better “backup” QB to me because he’s bleh and he can be bleh for spurts of 6-8 games and maybe a surprise performance or two tucked away in there as well. He had no business ever being anyone’s franchise starter though.
That said, im not a fan of Osweiler here for any length of time, but if there is nervousness that someone with recent starters experience is needed as an emergency clause, i could live with that.I mean ill alreay have the season written off by the time he would be starting anyways, so its not going to make things any worse for me lol. I would hope too that we instead are getting a rookie thats capable of stepping in instead so at least we could get a glimpse of the future and not another year of stop gap.
Also Osweiler cant be viewed any worse than having Fales as our backup, so at this point, with what we have, its an upgrade as bad as that might sound.
That’s how I feel – He’s better than Fales, which isn’t really saying much
I actually don’t think he is better than Fales