The Wedge Scouting Report: Mike Gesicki, Penn State



Look at that mismatch!  That powerful Zork can’t be stopped which is why I released him on that unsuspecting village

You think the Zork is a just a big two handed monster, so you set up your planetary defenses to stop a big strong attack – and the Zork slips right through with unexpected speed.

If you try to set up your defense to stop that speed – the Zork overpowers you.


Just like some of the talented tight ends in the 2018 draft.

One example:  Mike Gesicki


The Positives:  This is one athletic tight end!  First of all this guy can soar.  Want to have some fun – google “Mike Gesicki catch” and check out the images of this jumping sky high above defenders.

We’ve seen the NFL make good NFL players out of basketball players.  In this case, Gesicki is a volleyball player.  Every time he goes up for a catch, it looks like he is going to spike it.  But his 10 1/8 inch hands pull the ball in softly.

Oh and he’s fast.  Gesicki ran a 4.54 40 yard dash at the combine.  That speed had him light up opposing defenses that just could not find a way to stop him.  Over the last two years Gesicki had 105 catches, 1242 yards, and 15 touchdowns.


The Negatives:  This is not your classic tight end.  He’s not going to be much of an asset when it comes to run blocking.  Gesicki is certainly strong, he had 22 reps in the bench press at the combine which was second among tight ends – but I would not call his build prototypical tight end size.  Sure he is 6’5 but he has a bit of a lean lanky build.  He’s not that physical.  Think of Gesicki as more Jimmy Graham than Anthony Fasano.


The Alien Dust:  I wonder if there was a player who helped himself more at the combine.  He wowed everyone.  It wasn’t just a fast 40 yard dash.  He was 1st among tight ends in every category except for bench press…where he fell to 2nd place…lol

This is a special athlete.  He may not be a huge asset in the blocking game – but this a guy who changes an offense.  I believe Gesicki will be a pro bowl receiver in the NFL.

His impressive combine might be enough to vault him into the 1st round.  But I think there is a good chance Gesicki is a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick.  If he lasts to the 4th round – consider every NFL scout a moron.


Mike Gesicki compares favorably with the destructive Zork!

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767 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Mike Gesicki, Penn State

  1. ElephantRider says:

    Year after year it’s…..”this defensive line is the strength of the team.” Never saw it. They were preseason champions.
    The offense sucks, but how many games did we watch the opponent immediately just wreck them and score? I don’t know, but sure seemed liked more often than not. 3rd and 20 and you knew they would convert….

    This defense needs playmakers. So maybe drafting DT @ 11 isn’t the way to go. But getting a stud CB or LB would help more than another WR. Unless it’s Julio Jones I don’t want one that early.

  2. Rockphin says:

    So Miss Molly got 15 million from San Diego Huh?

    I have not shed a single tear over HIM leaving. Leadership? Please!

    Free Hernandez, birthday party assaults, Molly dealer, player meetings at strip clubs, chronic hip problems, overall Thug mentality

    Culture change? Amen!

  3. naplesfan2010 says:

    Nuts and Bolts Blue Collar Draft
    1-Vita Vea DT
    2-Mike Gesicki TE
    3-Rashaad Penny RB/KR
    4-Terrell Edmonds Nickel LB
    4-Kendrick Norton DT
    6-Troy Fumagalli TE
    7-Tray Matthews FS
    7-Skai Moore OLB

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think Little Edmunds in the 4th, Fumagalli in the 6th and SkainMoore in the 7th is wishful thinking

      But I’m all for it if it happens

  4. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think if we draft a WR, we would be wasting either him or the contracts of the two we just signed.

    Let’s draft BPA at positions of weakness. We have 10 WRs and no FSs.
    We only have 1 NFL RB and no starting TEs.
    Unless they are way higher on that guy who was practice squad last year, we only have 3 DTs and 2 of them are late round 2nd yr guys and the 3rd is the semi-bust Phillips.

  5. naplesfan2010 says:

    Just pls don’t waste picks moving up to take a questionable QB in the first.

    • Rockphin says:

      But Armando says we don’t have any chance of going to the Superbowl in my lifetime unless we do

      • Rockphin says:

        Unless of course God himself comes down and touches Tannehill. I hope I didn’t mangle the quote too much

  6. wyoming85 says:

  7. Mike E. says:

    I would take Edmunds over Roquan, but I’d be happy with either

    • wyoming85 says:

      Not me!
      I like Edmunds a lot! But
      Everything I’ve watched or read say’s Smith is going to be great!

      • Mike E. says:

        There’s a lot to like about Roquan, but that size and speed combo for Edmunds is crazy, and the kid is only 19, he could be here a loooong time.

  8. pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – I know Stills kneeled, but he stopped and actually did something useful. He went on ride-alongs and works in the community to help bridge the communications. He has at least tried to understand both sides of the equation. That said, if he goes back to kneeling, fuck him too.

  9. wyoming85 says:

    • wyoming85 says:

      It seems if (enormous if) the Dolphins are going to win a championship in the next few years, they’re betting that somehow Ryan Tannehill is going to be the one to get them there.

      Let the whining begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

  10. wyoming85 says:


  11. The Flying Pig says:

    Count me in as some one who would take Edmunds over Smith but be happy with either

    Edmunds is a bit raw but has a really high ceiling
    Oddly enough he comes into the league with his strength being coverage

  12. stangerx says:

    NFL Ricky was just “a head” of his his time.

    “Former Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams has launched his own marijuana brand. The line called Real Wellness by Ricky Williams includes six products sold as salves, vape cartridges and tonics that contain “hemp-derived cannabidiol (CBD), tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or a mix of both.”

  13. Mike E. says:

    Another big storm coming here in the tri-state. Supposed to start tonight at about 6PM, and snow through to Thursday, 11″-15″ expected. This is the real March Madness!

  14. mf13ss says:


  15. pheloniusphish says:

    Armando’s opinion piece has a couple of (at least) false assumptions. The first is that a team needs an “elite” QB to make the Super Bowl. The second is that a $13M cap hit keeps them from moving on.

    • D says:

      If you dont have an elite QB you defiantly have to have a very well balance and disciplined team. Top QB have been at the center of most championship teams, but it can be done without it. Usually the defense on teams who dont have it are at the center of why they won it, too, so its important to stack a defense out.

      Truthfully the best way to have a good shot at a championship is to have every thing within your control be the best it can be, so that means if you can improve the QB position, you try to. If you can improve your OL you try to, if you can improve your defense, you try to. With salary caps and whatnot, it means you have to be selective and get the best bang for your buck, but again, it doesn’t mean that if you have a decent QB you should be complacent about not trying to improve the position.

      You need to have affordable people at any position and there is a premium on QB being one of them if at all possible since its the most expensive position on the team. You also need a good next man up scenario (see Eagles this past year) and you need competition to push the starters. To me all that adds up to adding talent at QB if we get the right person to either fall to us, or make a move to get that person if we feel the cost is worth it.

      • D says:

        To me it looks like Gase is trying to make a team that can win with most any QB, as his moves seem to be at normalizing the salaries and getting the right character and professionalism in the locker room. Still, with that philosophy he is going to constantly turn over the roster when players wind up getting to the point they want to be paid and no longer value the success of the team over their own individual gain. Thats going to happen, and we as fans cant be pissed at a player trying to do that. Thats their lives and their livelihood so c’est la vie.

        We are going to have to have depth at all positions for next man up(including QB), we are going to have to have affordable people at all positions, to run this team that way. Its a good way to run it, dont get me wrong but its a much more difficult thing to accomplish. The Patriot have been doing it for a while, but look at all the other teams in the NFL, many of which have attempted it and failed.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        A la NE and Belichek

  16. Mike E. says:

    Hey M – My son will be heading out towards your locale this week, at least if the storm doesn’t postpone it. He’s supposed to going with another consultant from his place to do some work over at Accuweather, near Penn State

    • mf13ss says:

      Cool! The weather over here shouldn’t be too bad with this most recent Nor’easter. Safe travels to your son.

      • mf13ss says:

        And it’s too bad he’s not over here today for PSU’s Pro Day!

      • Mike E. says:

        Thanks – Is that right, are you expected to be getting less that we are in NJ/NY?

      • mf13ss says:

        Yup, we’re not expecting any more than a couple of inches… we’re getting quite lucky this winter in terms of snow. It’s still pretty cold, but we’ve been spared by the snow.

  17. Mike E. says:

    M – Wow, yeah, you guys really are getting lucky, we may be getting a foot or more. I just hope we don’t lose power, because we’re supposed to be getting that heavy slushy snow, which takes down trees and power lines.

  18. Randy says:

    LMAO. Here comes another 5 years of mediocrity.

  19. Mike E. says:

    D – I think we’re building the team sensibly and responsibly for a change. I don’t think they’re building it for Tannehill, i think this is his vision of how the team should be. Since we already have Tannehill, it would be nice if he steps up, but if not, he can be cut just like Suh

  20. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – M was happy because we got Rashad Penny, but I’d have to agree. Unless Vea kills it, and Rudolph turns into a top 10 QB

  21. mf13ss says:

    Did you guys happen to see where Logan Woodside went in Reuter’s mock?!!

  22. mf13ss says:

    I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!

  23. mf13ss says:

  24. sb7mvp says:


  25. wyoming85 says:

  26. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, this March storm stuff sucks. I hate this month. LOL

  27. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 20, 2018 at 11:13 am

    FUCK Reuter! No TE again!!
    Dont worry Mikey, that mock makes him look like a Reutard

  28. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 20, 2018 at 11:34 am

    D – I think we’re building the team sensibly and responsibly for a change. I don’t think they’re building it for Tannehill, i think this is his vision of how the team should be. Since we already have Tannehill, it would be nice if he steps up, but if not, he can be cut just like Suh
    I agree, and thats what im saying. The team has to have next player up at all positions to be in that mode. If you dont have a guy behind them that can step up, you have to make a different decision than whats best for the team simply because you now have to hold on to that guy. IMO even if you dont think we NEED a first round QB, because we have little to nothing behind Tanny, we need to have that as a consideration as a need, and not just a, oh we can wait and get a guy in the 4th or 6th.

    Id say if we had a solid guy behind Tanny, or Tanny was a more “elite” level QB id be in the mode of, sure always adding a guy with potential in the latter rounds is fine, given what we have, but without that and with Tanny on a year and a third off from football, two knee injuries in that time frame and never playing with real consistency before hand, we owe it to ourselves to prioritize that position. I consider it the most important position to have a next man up scenario at.

    I’m all for a 1st round QB this year, not necessarily because of any one prospect, but just in general to stack out some talent at the position and the later round guys aren’t going to cut it for how badly we need it this year. I cant see us selecting a different position if any of the top 4 QB’s are still there. I could see a couple of 2nd round guys being in the mix as well, but i actually would rather them not select a QB at all if they aren’t doing it day 1 or 2.

    • Mike E. says:

      Do you think Rudolph has a higher ceiling than Tannehill?

      • D says:

        I dunno, i think developed well, yes. Part of Tanny’s problem was he needed development and got almost none. Rudolph given the same attention will likely turn out the same, but i think with Gase as the coach and his focus on that position, he like could get Rudolph to a higher playing level than Tanny. I know you could say well lets see what he can do with Tanny but i think Tanny is too far behind the curve at this point, the development stage has past him by and by the time he would possible catch up, he’s Jay Cutler and needing to retire. I just think Tanny is too much of damage good to ever reacht he ceiling that i think he likely had at the time he was drafted.

  29. Mike E. says:


  30. D says:

    Id have a few guy capable of exceeding Tanny’s current ceiling, but on par with what his ceiling was coming out of college.

  31. D says:

    Dont know if you guys realized this or not but that 4th we got for Jarvis from the Browns, isnt even the first one of the 4th round. When the deal was announced i assumed it was but it appears its one they had a good bit later in the round instead.

    • D says:

      That hurts the trade value if we were wanting to leverage a trade because some top play fell to day 3 or if we wanted to use it on a top guy who fell.

    • Mike E. says:

      No, we knew that day, because the Browns made a trade and used that pick that same day, so we got the #23 pick instead, a pick they acquired from a different trade. That #1 pick in the 4th would have been worth a lot more, there are always teams who want that first pick day 3

      • D says:

        I knew they had traded the 3rd to Buffalo, but i didnt know they also had given us the 2nd 4th they had instead of the first. They swapped 4ths with GB i think, to go along with the player, but i thought it was the later 4th that they swapped with them.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Both of our 4’s are late, 23 and 31.

  32. D says:

    People look to be getting on board with us taking a DT now because of the Suh cut. I dont see it We have some good DT’s and i think they would be a lot more likely to take a LB, CB or S at that pick (if not a QB) than a DT. Its also a very deep DT draft so i think thats a lot of knee jerk reaction by these mocksters because of Suh.

  33. Tim Knight says:

    D, the 2018 season will tell us where RT is at. He’s still young enough to play better. If the OL plays better that should help quite a bit.

  34. wyoming85 says:

  35. Randy says:

    I don’t think we’re building around Tanny at all. Teams don’t build a team around a 10-16th ranked QB coming off injuries and not having played in almost a year and a half. I think it has more to do with the idea that he is what they have right now and there’s really no good reason to just kick him to the curb. He represents their best chance to win now…which is what they need to do to keep their jobs. They could still draft a QB this year or next and move on from him. If they are going to stick with him long term, there is a lot of work to be done because no aspect of our team is close to being high end or top 5ish….which is what you will need to succeed with an average to slightly above average QB. They better focus on upgrading this defense…a lot…if we’re sticking with what we got at QB because we’re gonna need a top 3-5 defense to win anything.

    • wyoming85 says:

      Don’t worry Randy!
      By your estimation we should have a top rated QB pick every year we have Tanny.
      So we should get one eventually?

    • stangerx says:

      Randy — agreed on Tanny. He might not be the future but he is the now. And arrow was up before he got injured…..maybe there is more of that in the future.

  36. The Flying Pig says:

    James makes sense Mike

    I’m curious to see if they go heavy in D

    I agree with D that we might be able to get away with our current roster of DT

    But I also think Vea might be a guy we plug in and have in place for a decade so he won’t be a bad pick IMO

  37. Randy says:

    Sadly, my projections for this team and my evaluation of their talent pool has been right for the past decade. I’m hoping for that to turn around one of these days. Plus, we’re not bad enough to get a top 5 pick to get a QB. We’re mired in mediocrity, so we constantly get picks in the middle of the round and can’t get a high end QB. Wash and repeat.

  38. Randy says:

    If we’re going to unseat Brady and win our division, we need to produce more pressure. We’re not going to match their scoring. We need to be able to impact their offense like Philly did…with consistent pressure.

  39. Randy says:

    Ok. I’m a bummer. I get it. Reality sucks and lunch is over. Lol

  40. wyoming85 says:

  41. mf13ss says:

    D says:
    March 20, 2018 at 1:25 pm
    People look to be getting on board with us taking a DT now because of the Suh cut. I dont see it We have some good DT’s and i think they would be a lot more likely to take a LB, CB or S at that pick (if not a QB) than a DT. Its also a very deep DT draft so i think thats a lot of knee jerk reaction by these mocksters because of Suh.
    I don’t think it’s a knee-jerk reaction at all; Suh was our best Defensive player and that hole will need to be filled. That’s not to say that we MUST take a DT @ R1P11, but we just worse on Defense but cutting him.

    I just think that Vita Vea or Da’Ron Payne cannot be ruled out @ R1P11… they are both VERY good players.

    But for the record, I hope we go with a playmaker @ R1P11 instead of a DT, too (I’m with ya on that!). And I hope that our current cats Phillips, Godchaux, and Taylor continue to emerge.

    • stangerx says:

      Have to be considering Vea and maybe Payne at #11. What position wouldn’t we take at #11 if the talent/slot value was there and could not draft down? Can’t come up with a single one….and with Phillips in a contract year, DT is about the last one you could exclude.

  42. CavalierKong says:

    “We need to be able to impact their offense like Philly did…with consistent pressure.”
    One timely sack/fumble and an unstoppable offense won the game for Philly, not consistent pressure. The Pets were in a position to score on literally every drive of the game except the last two where they fumbled, then ran out of time.

  43. mf13ss says:

    With recent talk of Derwin James to us @ R1P11, I’m taking another look at him. Man… I just don’t know. As your resident DB enthusiast, I can tell y’all that his ceiling is VERY high(!)… hence the hype. But I can also tell y’all that as freak an athlete as he is, I would have liked to see more production out of him.

    Sure, his highlight reels are stacked with some BIG hits and some stellar plays… but I just don’t see consistency when looking at his tape, so as to warrant R1P11 consideration.

    IF he’s properly coached, I see a potentially VERY HIGH reward there. IF he’s not properly coached, I see a potential BUST there. What’s more… IF what I hear is true, he doesn’t have it together from above the neck (brains/maturity)… at least not yet.

    I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to pass on Derwin @ R1P11… but that’s my $.02.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He lacks experience but never heard any knocks about his intelligence. One of his strengths in his NFL profile is “Absolute alpha in the locker room. Comes up to handle film sessions on weekends. When he talks, players listen.”

    • I’m not seeing it either. Maybe there’s some playmaking ability there but I haven’t seen it in any of his games that I watched. Nothing that really stood out that says to me “this is what everyone has been talking about”. Personally, it seems like a lot of FSU fans hyping THEIR guy

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s weird with him. Some people say what you guys are saying and others think he’s the best defensive player in the draft. I’ve seen him listed as the 2nd best prospect in the draft behind Barkley. Maybe some chalk that up to him lacking experience but in time he’ll be great.

  44. Tim Knight says:

    If we start making more big plays having more speed I don’t see why we can’t score more and match some of the other high scoring teams. Just because we haven’t been that in the past doesn’t mean it can’t change. You see it all the time with personnel changes.

  45. So it seems that there’s some agreement that the offense isn’t going to move the ball or score points but it seems the answer isn’t to upgrade on the offensive side of the ball; it’s to upgrade the defense.

    That argument that the defense needs to be upgraded because the offense isn’t going to score is kind of ridiculous. If the offense can’t score or move the ball then you need to address that issue by bringing in players to help on offense. I’m not saying we can’t use some help on the defense but the biggest issue with the team is it’s inability to move the ball consistently on offense and score points.

  46. D says:

    I have teams needs ranked as QB, TE/OL, LB/DT, then S/CB/DE/RB/WR i dont count out WR like some here are doing. I like the group we have but if the right guy fell to me im adding them just i would any other group so the overall group is better. I dont really feel a strong need at any of the latter positions, including DE, but i wouldn’t pass up talent at any of them if it crossed my path.

  47. D says:

    Im not big on Derwin James either, though he feels to me like a clone of McDonald, so a box safety with decent coverage skills and could probably play a hybrid LB role. Fitzpatrick though is a guy who can play FS, wouldnt be bad if brought up in the box, has good blitz skills and could even switch out to play at CB in nickle or dime. Hell he has outside Cb skills too but id feel a lot better with him in out of the slot if i had him at CB.

  48. D says:

    DaRon Payne is definitely in consideration for us at 11 im sure, i dont know if Vea is because he is more suited for a 3-4 defense. He can probably play 3 and 4 tech, but he is suited best for 1 tech.

  49. stangerx says:

    Not done yet, but according to Troy Vincent looks like the catch rule is gonna be changed more to what makes sense.

    “Slight movement of the ball, it looks like we’ll reverse that, Going to the ground, it looks like that’s going to be eliminated…..The Dez Bryant play, that’d be a catch. The Jesse James play, that’d be a catch.”

  50. mf13ss says:

    Know what I’d have liked? Trading Pouncey to San Diego for Desmond King. We’d probably have to throw a draft pick in there as well, but I’d have done it.

    Oh well… water under the bridge.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Why would the Chargers want to trade King being he had a good rookie season as a 5th rd pick. They still got Pouncey as a UFA. That trade doesn’t make sense but I know why you posted it. 😉

  51. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think (think, now) that I would be ok with taking Minkah to play FS, at R3P73, although I would rather have several other guys at R1P11 who I think would have more positive impact (no pun intended), but I would NOT want Derwin James until R4P 131, because he will (I think) only be able to play nickel LB or nickel S or nickel CB and that is way too high to take a guy for that position.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Okay both players are going in the 1st rd. LOL

      Just remember this, teams play base defense about 20% of the time. The rest are sub packages against spread formations, short yardage and goal line. Matt Patricia recently said this at the combine when he was with Mayock and Eisen. Specialist players are highly coveted.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        But James does not get INTs. He did so well cause he was the best athlete in one-on-ones and FSU has so many great players that no opponent can isolate or double team one guy. Neither of those will be so true in the NFL.

  52. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think P, PK, CB, WR, DE, OT, C, OG, and LS are all positions I would not take in Round 1.
    Just not enough return on the investment (P, PK, LS) or too risky (WR) or we are too stacked there already DE, CB, OG, C. The OT guys this year just do not excite me at all.

  53. Mike E. says:

    Naples – I’d still take Nelson over any of those guys – He’s the BPA, maybe the best in the draft period. It would be a mistake not to, and our O-line is one injury away from being settled, if it really is settled now.

  54. Mike E. says:

    Suh not finding the money quite yet. On to the Raiders Wednesday

  55. pheloniusphish says:

    I think Suh ends up in Seattle. P

  56. I think when you’re talking TE, Tyler Conklin of Central Michigan needs to be included in the conversation.

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    Here’s one you all have probably already read, but it seems to say many of the same things I think.

  58. naplesfan2010 says:

    RB Kenyan Drake ran behind the worst run-blocking OL in the NFL but still led the league in rushing from Wks 13-17

  59. mf13ss says:

    Just got word that an extended member of my music fam passed away today in California, age 42… I’m really bummed out. 😦

    Mateo was a damned good drummer, background vocalist, and a TRUE gentleman. Prayers up to Mateo and his fam. 😥

  60. naplesfan2010 says:

    Once Jimmy Garappolo took over in San Francisco, Kilgore allowed just two pressures in five games. Both of those pressures were hurries – meaning Kilgore literally never allowed the 49ers’ $137 million quarterback to get touched.

  61. naplesfan2010 says:

    Sitton, meanwhile, has allowed only 18 sacks over the last decade. His 97.4 pass blocking efficiency grade (courtesy of ranked 13th out of 61 guards in 2017. In 2016, he finished second with a PBE of 99.0.

  62. naplesfan2010 says:

    In 2016, the Dolphins won six consecutive games behind a rejuvenated offense. The streak started when Miami’s projected opening day offensive line finally got on the field together. During the stretch Miami averaged 26.8 points, 152.3 rushing yards, and Tannehill’s passer rating was 104.7.

    Although the starting-five didn’t stay intact for that six-game stretch, the Dolphins developed an identity. A balanced offense predicated on play-action, rollouts and a controlled passing game bred success. Even when the majority of the line was confined to the trainer’s room, Tannehill picked up the slack. With backups at the left tackle, left guard and center positions, Tannehill engineered two touchdown drives in four minutes to overcome a 10-point deficit against the LA Rams.

  63. naplesfan2010 says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see new #Bears HC Matt Nagy make a big run at #Chiefs FA WR Albert Wilson this off-season.

    Smart, athletic WR. Loved by his coaches.

  64. naplesfan2010 says:

    For $16 million, Landry’s 6.13 yards-per-target provided a substandard return on investment.

    Albert Wilson (8.94 YPT) and Danny Amendola (7.66 YPT) may not have the volume stats of the departed Landry, but their efficiency and mental make-up exhibits the Dolphins’ vision.

  65. naplesfan2010 says:

    After the Ajayi trade, the Dolphins offense improved by five points-per-game (up to 17.2 PPG).

  66. naplesfan2010 says:

    The Chiefs endured a mid-season slump that coincided with the Albert Wilson’s absence. Citing the struggles to replace Wilson, Coach Andy Reid referenced the complexities of his system and the workman attitude required to perfect it.

    “He’s worked very hard the past couple of years learning the game,” Reid said. “That position takes a little bit of time to get everything down. He’s done it and played well.”

  67. naplesfan2010 says:

    Stills was among the game’s most efficient slot receivers. His 10.26 yards per target and six touchdowns from the slot both ranked second in the NFL.

  68. naplesfan2010 says:

    Over the final four games, Grant averaged 11.75 yards-per-target with two touchdowns.

  69. naplesfan2010 says:

    The idea is to have a set of complementary receivers who are position diverse – players that are all capable of being the primary read of any given snap. This allows Gase to open the playbook and prevents the defense from settling into one particular coverage. The opposition will have to prove it is as deep at the cornerback position as the Dolphins are at wide receiver.

  70. mf13ss says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    March 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm
    Sorry Sir.
    It’s hell to lose a friend.
    Thank you, my friend. I appreciate it.

  71. Mike E. says:

    M – Sorry to hear about your friend

  72. Randy says:

    Philly was getting close all game long. Brady and NE were making plays. But, that’s why I said “consistent pressure” not sacks. You need to be able to just keep coming at him play after play all game long without a drop off in trying to collapse the pocket because, hopefully, it results in a big play…maybe more.

    • Ken says:

      Brady threw for over 500 yards. Most of the game Brady could have a sit down dinner in the pocket

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        agreeing with Ken here, so you must’ve read my mind, because it was Cav Kong who commented on your earlier post.

  73. D says:

    I wonder if Pouncey’s contract with the Chargers includes free body guard since he is now in the same town as his crazy buddy Jonelle Martin.

  74. D says:

    The place that Brady is vulnerable is pressure from DT’s not outside pass rush. Brady can avoid most of the outside stuff and their passign game is designed to negate it anyways with the short quick passes. Big fat men running right at his face shakes him up, so i hope whatever we do we find a way to replace Suh in the draft or with a late pickup after there are post draft or PS cuts. We might have what we need from Philips but he is hard to count on

    • D says:

      I really like Tayven Bryan, if he falls to us in the 2nd id be ll over picking him up.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        I agree except we MUST get a TE early enough so he is a stud.
        So either take Gesicki in the first or Bryan and then flip in the second.
        Ideally we trade down to 16, 18, or 20 and get one of the above and the other in the second and still have an extra second or third.

    • rich0322 says:

      Well said. That is why DT is at the top of my list for the draft.

  75. Randy says:

    Philly had 9 QB hits in the game. Held Brady to 58% completion percentage, and NE was 50% on 3rd downs. Again, i’m not suggesting they demolished Brady. I agree with ya. But, they kept bringing pressure, and it finally paid off. You’re rarely gonna get big sack numbers against Brady for multiple reasons, but you have to be able to bring it consistently all game long and hope it pays off. We don’t.
    Sorry naples. My bad….not sure how I screwed that up.

  76. Randy says:

    I like Derwin James. I like him because of the versatility he brings. I don’t really evaluate him as a CB or S. I see him as a hybrid CB/S/LB. a guy you may be able to use in multiple coverage packages and really disguise some coverages.

  77. Rockphin says:

    I will guarantee one thing right now. There will be a lot of good players on the board at #11
    Unless it’s Denney’s replacement I don’t think I am going to freak out.

  78. Rockphin says:

    I think LB is still our biggest need.
    Raekwon – has never played a defensive snap in the NFL
    Chase Allen – ?? not a starter
    Stephone Anthony – ?? not a starter
    Kiko – Undersized, not good in coverage, generally a disappointment to me after his rookie season
    Mike Hull – Not a starter

    We only have two starters, one not that great, one totally unknown on the roster.

    LB in the first round. uh huh.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      yeah like
      Rashaan Evans or Leighton vander Esch in the first…I’m down with that.
      or Skai Moore or Oren Burks in the 7th (plus a PK dammit)

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Don’t underestimate Anthony
      He was getting a lot of snaps towards the end of the season
      He’s pretty good in coverage

      I think he can be a major contributor in the years to come

  79. naplesfan2010 says:

    uh – oh
    Elliot Harrison’s Power Rankings

    Remnants of that 2016 playoff team remain, but the key pieces do not. Gone are Jay Ajayi, Jarvis Landry, Mike Pouncey and Ndamukong Suh. The Dolphins have cleaned house. Jermon Bushrod also departed, with Josh Sitton — late of the Bears — moving in at guard. This is a huge year for young tackles Laremy Tunsil and Ja’Wuan James. Especially with Ryan Tannehill and his healthy knee back under center. While no one misses Jay Cutler, what to anticipate from Tannehill is another matter. He hasn’t played meaningful football since two Decembers ago. That, as much as the team makeover, accounts for this placeholder not too far from the bottom.

  80. mf13ss says:

  81. ElephantRider says:

    Anything but WR @ 11

  82. The Flying Pig says:

  83. Ken says:

    Was it really necessary to see Zay Jones’s ass?

  84. wyoming85 says:

  85. I’ll admit I was on the Smith or Edmunds train for the longest time and then thought about the possibility of a DT in the first after Suh’s release but if Ridley is there at #11 I’m all in on him.

    He changes the game. He takes our offense to a different level.

  86. The Flying Pig says:

    Some one hand m13’s 8:14 post a towel

  87. Tim Knight says:

    M13, sorry about your friend.

  88. Tim Knight says:

    It’s funny we say things like I don’t want to take this guy or that guy and I get it, it’s draft talk. But when you do that you set yourself up for disappointment if the team likes that prospect and takes them. LOL

    That’s why I like to discuss multiple options and try to understand all of them. This current regime is big on DL so keep that in mind. You can also find good players in other rounds. It’s not all about the 1st rd. There will also be the next wave of FA for 2nd tier guys so if we add a DT maybe that won’t be a high priority. I’m not sure WR is either. I think TE and a RB is higher being that we have glaring voids there, we have depth at WR. Maybe a hybrid DB will be a priority being that they will be on the field more than a 3rd LB.

    • I’d be thrilled if Smith, Edmonds or Nelson were the pick at #11 IF Ridley isn’t there. If it’s Vea or Payne, not so much, but I would understand it I guess.

      However, my first choice IS Ridley and it’s because I see what he does to defenders in his route running, how he has them going one way and he stops on a dime and goes another. You can’t guard the guy. He’s THAT good. I’m all in on him. Will I be disappointed if we don’t have a shot at him? Sure will. But, if he’s there at #11 and we don’t take him I’ll be pissed; not disappointed.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Why in the world would you be pissed if we didn’t take a WR?

        If we take the BPA (the teams BPA) how can you be pissed?????????

      • It’s not just that they didn’t take A wr; it’s that they didn’t take THAT particular wr. He is the real deal. If you would want Antonio Brown on your team then you’d definitely want him on your team.

        But, like Tim said, there’s a strong possibility he’s not there at #11 and that’s because the Bears pick #8

    • Tim Knight says:

      I saw something about us being interested in him before. You can get quality LBs in the 2nd and 3rd. Again, only two are going to play most of the game.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        One of the reasons we have had problems at the position is just not picking them at all

        There are always good ones in day 2-3

      • Tim Knight says:

        Drafting McMillan and trading for Anthony helped make up for some of that. Finding a guy in Allen who plays STs and is ready whenever you need him at any position was a nice find UDFA. We should add another LB in the draft. I’d be shocked if we didn’t.

    • If Gase really likes his guys to be strong leaders then one guy he should be interested in is Micah Kiser. Good LB. Better person.

  89. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, several people talked about Ridley today on the radio and it was all about he’s the real deal.

  90. Tim Knight says:

    Ridley is a top 10 talent. He reminds me of Marvin Harrison. Big chunk plays and then those to the house plays. Ridley plays fast and looks the part as a WR. He’s going to be a playmaker in the NFL.

  91. Tim Knight says:

    Waiting for the storm… Waiting for the storm…

  92. The Flying Pig says:

    Honestly if Ridley was is the category of Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson – he would god top 5

    It’s bc he’s not the alpha type big, fast receiver that he will be available at 11

  93. The Flying Pig says:

    Having 4 QBs get pushed up to the top of the draft is a dream scenario if you are picking 11

    We are going to get a good player one way or another

    • ElephantRider says:


    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep! Plenty of talent you could see a team taking top 10 and others falling to 15 or whatever. There are always draft surprises. Take the BPA who matches need or want. I still think we could trade down.

  94. Randy says:

    Yeah, except Luck has played 7 fewer games and close to 30 more TDs. Funny how people compare stars but leave out stuff that doesn’t fit their narrative. Plus, Luck has played behind terrible OLs and been sacked about 80 fewer times than Tannehill. 80. So much for that comparison.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Luck almost died. I’m not into the nitpicky stuff but both QBs are an example of personnel issues. I would put Luck ahead of Tannehill but so what?

    • D says:

      At this point I wouldn’t trust him anymore than Tanny either though. I do agree he’s a more developed QB, which was also true their draft year, but still the amount if injuries, the amount of time away from football, I’d draft a QB too if I were the Colts

      • Tim Knight says:

        We’ll find out about Tannehill this offseason. He hasn’t played in games since late in 2016, but he was playing in TC in August of 2017 when the non-surgery failed. He’s on pace to be ready for May/June minicamps and OTAs after having the surgery. He’ll be 30 years old in July, not 34. I think “kind of” writing him off at this time is premature.

  95. D says:

    Oh and Calvin Ridley is the type of WR any team could use. He has speed for air coryell type systems, he has great acceleration through his cuts for those quick hitter systems and he has great hand and precise route running that gets separation in any of the system or alignments he could be put in. He isn’t a freak athlete or a Randy Moss burner, or a Calvin Johnson huge bodied receiver but his overall game is pretty great

  96. Tim Knight says:

    Locks on the OL in 2018:
    C Kilgore
    OG Sitton, Larsen (C), Davis (T)
    OT Tunsil, James

    3 or 4 spots open.

  97. ElephantRider says:

    What’s the point drafting a WR @ 11 if the QB is so horrible??

    • It’s about building a TEAM!! The history of the offense is it can’t move the ball and can’t score points. We’ve added some pieces on the offensive line and a couple new wr’s but Parker has been inconsistent and Amendola’s contract pretty much turns him into a one year rental.

      With the offense being the biggest issue year after year we need to add some talent that can help us out rather than keep focusing on the defensive side. If the defensive players there at #11 were head and shoulders above Ridley I’d say it wouldn’t matter but they’re not.

  98. wyoming85 says:

    To easy! 🙂

  99. Rhino says:

    good posts/conversation on Ridley. It’s ridiculous how so many mocks ignore him as a top ten pick.
    I can see Chicago or SF taking him to help out the “new” QBs. In fact, I think Nelson goes to one of these teams and Ridley to the other.

  100. Rhino says:

    That Jets trade was ‘reality tv’ shit. I don’t think any of these QBs are worth moving up only 3 spots. That said…
    1. NO WAY do we trade up. We want our picks. We’ve done well in round 2 the last few years.
    2. I don’t think we take a DT at #11. Maybe trade back 4 to 5 spots and take one… but I think they have the bodies on DL
    3. If QB run actually happens in top 6… I’d be happy with Fins getting first choice of LBers.
    4. My gut tells me, however, that this team (with input from Gase) will NOT draft a QB that used to be a WR and needed to “work on accuracy” (yikes)… they won’t trade up to 3 for a skinny DE LOL…

    … they also won’t blindly take BPA… but they will compromise on BPA that is closest to need.
    Which brings us back to the increased likelihood that we will end up drafting LB (DL and LB positions thus being gradually built through draft).

    • wyoming85 says:

      Yes let’s hope BOTH LB’s are available so we can argue over their stat sheets for 10 years! 😉

      • Rhino says:

        lmao. That’s a GIVEN. I’m still hoping Nelson miraculously drops to us… start him on right side cuz Sitton can’t “wipe with that hand” LOL… and most of us could rush for 1,000 yards behind that line.

  101. wyoming85 says:

  102. Rhino says:

    Time to get to work. FA looks to be shifting toward “one year – look for upside” players with more attention on the draft.

    Good luck to all you in the Northeast. I have one daughter in Cambridge who is in place, but my other daughter won’t be able to get back to Hanover until Saturday (instead of today)… That’s what she gets for actually going somewhere for Spring Break LOL. We got snow in South Texas this year, and after ONE day I was tired of it. 🙂

  103. The Flying Pig says:

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s just fantastic. I do love that kid, and I wish him the best. I’d love to have that kid on our team.

    • D says:

      Im on board with drafting him, i mocked hi in the 4th to us just the other day. I know he has played around his handicap so far and kept a high level of play but i do think in the NFL its going to cost him some, so id be careful not to use a pick that we really needed to use on another player, but he’s going to contribute right off, probably as a rotational position player and for sure as a ST ace. Maybe he is why we really pushed to bring Thomas back, maybe they think they can grab him and get rotational player at S and ST’s out of him.

      • D says:

        Even at his young age i think he could help us with the culture and leadership deficit we have on our team.

  104. Mike E. says:

    I find it interesting that a few weeks back, we were a hot pick for a QB, and now, you rarely see a mock draft that has drafting a QB. I’ve seen a lot of mocks where 1 of the top 4 is still available, but we pass. I wonder what happened to change that? Maybe they feel we’ve backed off with our interest, and maybe we did that on purpose after the moves we’ve made, and now they feel like we’re concentrating on the defense, which is precisely what we want everyone to think. Hmmm . . .

    • D says:

      Probably the tightness of the underwear they are wearing this week. Who knows these guys blow int e wind and take their queues from others that are also blowing in the wind or little things here or there that make them completely 180 their beliefs over night. These mock drafts and draft rumors are useless until liek the day of or at best the week of the draft itself.

      • Mike E. says:

        I think sometimes they buy too much into what is being said, specifically how Gase insists that Tannehill is his QB. beat writers keep putting it out there, and it seems like it sticks in their heads. Similarly with the NY Giants, they flip flop on them too, sometimes it;s a QB and sometimes it’s Barkley or Quenton Nelson. While that may be true for 2018, that both Tannehill and Manning are the QB’s for ’18, both teams need to look to the future too

  105. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 21, 2018 at 12:14 am

    We’ll find out about Tannehill this offseason. He hasn’t played in games since late in 2016, but he was playing in TC in August of 2017 when the non-surgery failed. He’s on pace to be ready for May/June minicamps and OTAs after having the surgery. He’ll be 30 years old in July, not 34. I think “kind of” writing him off at this time is premature.
    Im not writing him off, but im also not putting all my trust in something we have never seen from him especially after back to back knee injuries and a season and a half on the sidelines. Im in the same boat with Luck, and if i were a Colts fans id be wanting my team to draft a QB the same as i am with Tanny for us. Im being completely objective about his future, but im also being reasonable as far as the need to prepare for next man up. Right now, we go from Tanny to David Fales, and to me thats just not good enough. Its also not good enough to push Tanny, there is 0 threat from Fales. Competition in a sport like football brings the best out of a player and there should always be situations where they are being pushed by someone else, its the most healthy environment you can have.

    • sb7mvp says:

      we definitely need to grab a middle round guy capable of pushing Tanny while being a reliable backup or eventual replacement.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I wouldn’t rule out the 2nd or 3rd round
        A guy like Rudolph or Falk in day 2 might be an asset

        The 1st round seems unlikely now given the jests trade and high possibility of Buffalo also moving up

  106. sb7mvp says:

    Next year’s schedule doesn’t excite me at all. Not in degree or perceived difficulty, but just plain matchups that I want to see. I feel like we play the same AFC teams every year outside of our division and I don’t care to see us play the NFC North.

    • Mike E. says:

      Yeah, but we play the AFC South, and the weaker teams of the AFC West and North, which makes up for it, in theory at least. Hey, if we’re good, it doesn’t matter who we play, and I know you know that.

  107. wyoming85 says:

  108. D says:

    That letter Shaqueem wrote was pretty incredible and really puts attitude towards things in perspective. One of my favorite quotes is “You attitude determines your altitude.” and i think this kid completely gets than and is already a good representation of that with plenty more to come i bet.

  109. stangerx says:

    Landry still doesn’t have a deal done with the Browns and says basically “my people are negotiating that.” Since we gave his agent the chance to look for trades, assumed that meant a deal was already in place.

    Instead looks like the Browns are in the exact same situation we were. Jarvis on one year for $16 mil…..except they gave up a 4th for that.

    • Mike E. says:

      Maybe even the Browns think Landry and his dildo agent are crazy if they think he’s worth $15-16M, and they’re not going to pay him that. I can see them getting it done at $14.5M per, which will still be a great contract contract, as long he gets his guaranteed money, which if I recall, he wanted about $40M guaranteed.

      • stangerx says:

        We’ll see what happens….but Landry still has the option to be an FA next year. And am sure his agent it pointing that out. And that $16 mil is guaranteed.

  110. wyoming85 says:

  111. The Flying Pig says:

    I would love it of a griffin lasts to the 4th round and we are able to get him

    I would even trade up into late 3rd (and I hate trading up) if he is there
    I really think he will be a good pro

    • D says:

      I think there is something there with him that id like to have on our team, i dont know that id force a move, but if he hit the round i had as my evaluation for him, im not not selecting him because of his handicap and im not pushing his value down because of it either, im just going of my evaluation of his game tape and where i see him contributing now and in the future. Im also definitely weighing in the intangibles because to me those are sometimes even more important than the physical skill assessment

      • The Flying Pig says:

        he sets himself apart from anyone else because of his character

        Yeah he’s not a 1st rounder for various reasons if a few years from now he is a pro bowler – the writing was on the wall

  112. D says:

    I really think this draft could go a 100 different ways, i dont see any scenario that doesnt have merit, trade up trade back stay put. I could see a ton of positions taken in the first no matter where we pick at too. I think its all a lot of hard lined speculation to say this team will not do this or that, because i promise you there is a good chance that just about anything goes down when we select. There are a few positions i think are almost locked down at this point but we arent even close to being one of them.

  113. D says:

    This was my favorite quote from the article.

    “And if one you’re of those who is doubting me … well, I want to thank you, too. Because you’re what keeps me motivated every day to work hard and play even harder.”

  114. wyoming85 says:

  115. wyoming85 says:

  116. BoulderPhinfan says:

    do you think Landry just wanted out of miami and really didn’t care if he got a new deal or not? What if he signs with the browns for less than what we were offering him?

    • stangerx says:

      Boulder — if he signs with the Browns for less than what we offered….then you can kick me into that bottomless pit from 300. And as you do, you can say he just wanted out of here.

      • Mike E. says:

        Boulder – If Landry just wanted to get out of Miami, then fuck him anyway. I still believe he wanted the money, he made it clear what he thinks he’s worth, so he can change his script to anything he wants to, but I’ll always believe he wants the money over anything else. Nothing wrong with wanting security, but he wants that guaranteed money, which I believe was close to $40M over the length of the contract

  117. D says:

    I really dont think they can disappoint me this year with the draft, im feeling too open for anything in the first especially. As long as it isnt a complete blindside retard selection like Orlando “The Manatee” Brown with a trade up in the first.

  118. D says:

    I really like Charles Simms i liked him when i was watching his Senior Bowl week and wanted us to draft him the year he came out.

  119. D says:

    BoulderPhinfan says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    do you think Landry just wanted out of miami and really didn’t care if he got a new deal or not? What if he signs with the browns for less than what we were offering him?
    Dont mean to answer for Stanger but i definitely feel there was an element of that with him. I dont think he was going to take a home team discount, i think he was looking to get the pay he felt like he had earned getting, much the same way that Bell does, but i think that he had lost any reason to give a home town discount as well by having some friction with Gase and probably some of the FO.

    • D says:

      I dont think what he signs with the Browns for has any bearing on if that was the case though, simply because the dynamic of the negotiations are different at this point so it might wind up being less simply because there is more or less leverage than he had before.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      yea I agree. I think the friction with the FO made just wanna get out of miami hoping he’ll get a better deal somewhere else. But that doesn’t mean he had a deal in place or any type of guarantee of a deal when he left.

  120. Mike E. says:


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