2018 Miami Dolphins – Free Agency – DT’s

The official start day of NFL Free Agency starts today, and yet there were about 1000 players who were already gobbled up, and much to my surprise, the cap poor Dolphins were wheeling and dealing like nobody’s business.  I’m not sure I’ll ever understand what the plan is, I was pretty sure we were going to be quiet in FA, and we were out there banging like we had the same amount of cash available as the Jets and Browns.  One thing I do know, any thoughts the Dolphins were tearing this thing down and starting a 2-5 year rebuild has been quashed.  There’s no question now that we’re in it to win it, but have the moves we’ve made made us better?

We replaced a 25 year old fan favorite WR (Jarvis Landry) with another 25 year old WR (Albert Wilson) who has basically 1/4 of the amount of receptions Landry has.  We didn’t want to pay Landry near $16M per year, so we get a good deal on Wilson at $8M per.  Hold on, because then we sign 32 year old veteran slot WR Danny Amendola.  Huh?  He gets a 2 year contract for about $12M, with $8.25M guaranteed.   I think this signing pushed the Landry fans over the edge.  I get it, we couldn’t spend $15-16M on our own stud, so we replace him with Wilson and Amendola?    I can’t get inside information, but obviously Gase was not happy with our WR corps.  Forget Landry, I think he’s seriously worried about Parker and Carroo.  I think rightfully so, because Parker has yet to give us an elite season.  Why did Landry routinely have 100 receptions, and what should be our best WR (Parker) about half that?  Then you look at the guy we had to have in the 2016 draft and used 3 picks to get Leonte Carroo, who has given us 10 receptions in 2 seasons.  If this doesn’t explain why we now have 2 WR’s instead of one, nothing will.  Just so you all understand, i thought maybe we would address this in the draft, but I guess Gase wanted more proven commodities, and I get that.  We’ll have to wrap Amendola in the same bubble wrap we used for Pouncey in the preseason.

OK, now onto the big boys, the defensive tackles, because it sure seems like we’re gonna need one with the departure of Ndamukong Suh.  Here’s the 5 I think may help us, that is, if we have any money left to spend . . .

Dontari Poe  6’3 346  27YO

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How do you replace a big man?  With an even bigger man!  Poe is huge at 346 lbs, and no, he’s not at the same level of Suh.  No one we sign in FA will be, but that’s not the point.  Not to insult anyone here, but say we bring in Poe at about $7M per year, he’s going to give us more than a 1/3 of the production of Suh, for a 1/3 of the price.  Poe was the 11th pick in the 2012 NFL draft, and played 5 seasons with the Chiefs.  He went to ATL last season on a 1YR deal, and is now a free agent.  He’s a big DT that clogs the middle, and in his best season in 2014 brought down opposing QB’s 6 times.  He;s not a real pass rush threat, more of a run stopper, and that works for me.  I think Poe would be ideal, but there’s a lot of other teams out there flush with cash, so we’ll see what happens.

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Bennie Logan  6’2 309  28YO

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I actually had Logan as one of guys I thought we should target last season, and now, like Poe, he’s also available because he only signed a 1 YR deal with the Chiefs.  Logan played the first 4 years of his career in Philadelphia, and he’s a guy that makes an awful lot of tackles.  Like Poe, he’s not a real pass rush threat, but he’s steady and can wrap up well, which makes him valuable to me.  Like Poe, he signed an $8M contract last year, and I expect he would be in the same neighborhood as Poe, and if Spotrac is accurate, they have Poe at $5.7M, which I inflated to $7M, and figure the same for Logan.

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Clinton McDonald  6’1 290  31YO

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McDonald played in 14 games last season , starting 3 for the Tampa Bay Bucs, and managed to tally 5 sacks as part of the DL rotation.  At this stage of his career, he wouldn’t be a starter, but what we really need is either a starter, or a solid rotational guy, and I think McDonald would give us the latter.  McDonald has played the last 4 years with the Bucs, and in 2016, started 12 games, so he’s capable.

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Nick Fairley  6’5 291

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Fairley missed the entire 2017 season with a heart condition.  He was released by the Saints with an NFI designation due to that condition.  Apparently, Fairley feels he’s ready to return to the NFL, and would obviously need to pass a physical in order to be eligible to play.  The former 1st RD pick in 2011 (13th overall), Fairley actually had his best season in 2016, logging 6.5 sacks for the Saints.  Always a pass rushing threat, he played 4 seasons for Detroit before signing with the Rams, and then the Saints. Obviously, it’s an odd situation with him having the heart issue, but if he’s cleared, he would be a pass rushing threat from the interior we could certainly use.

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Tom Johnson  6’3 295  33YO

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Johnson has obviously been around, but Johnson played in all 16 games last season for the Vikes starting 15.  He was fairly productive notching 32 tackles and 2 sacks.  It would be nice to put another stud in the lineup, but a solid guy in the rotation would suffice too. I would think he would be a 1 year contract, and that’s fine, because we have some young guys that are up and coming, Godchaux especially, but Vincent Taylor also flashed, so this is just a stop gap.

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Kyle Williams, Chris Baker and Star Lotuleilei all signed contracts already, so this is what’s left.  It’s not especially pretty once you get past Poe, but some of these guys are certainly serviceable.  We may also dragft a DT early if the draft falls that way, like Da’Ron Payne or Vita Vea.  Second RD option for me at least could be Harrison Phillips.  If there are any DT’s you feel I should have mentioned, gimme a shout.

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Chad Henne looks out in mindless fascination, like a caveman witnessing his first snow

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1,292 Responses to 2018 Miami Dolphins – Free Agency – DT’s

  1. The Flying Pig says:

    I kind of think it’s funny (wake release) but only bx I already saw the rest of you react to it

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    Would be really funny if wale signed an extension than asked for a release

  3. Rockphin says:

    I couln’t find that picture Bat used to post, but I did find this one. Anyone want to play “Caption this”

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    oD in reply to you last post (before page turn)

    That movie is great – I don’t know if you saw earlier today but we signed a very good OG and traded for a center

    So you finally got your wish

  5. Tim Knight says:

    Good article from Mando. Gives insight into everything that went on today.
    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article205403414.html

    • mf13ss says:

      I don’t understand why SO many are SO sour on Armando. He calls it right, WAY more often than not, despite ‘fan-boys’ disagreeing with him on a nearly constant basis.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He has great sources and when he reports what went down, I like him. It’s when he throws in snarky remarks and hunts for the negative spins he gets on my nerves.

  6. stangerx says:

    Not sure if this is politics or US magazine stuff, but it is of note. And they have five kids who I feel real sorry for.

    “Vanessa Trump filed for divorce from her husband, Donald Trump Jr., on Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports.”

    • Rockphin says:

      HUH

    • Tim Knight says:

      They’re only human.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’m here for football, not for political tabloids. And even IF true, WAY more than 50% of the American populous files for divorce: thus, your post is irrelevant.

      What… does that prove Russian collusion? Why even post that here, my buddy?

      • Rockphin says:

        why not? I scroll past TONS of Mets crap on here… LOL 😉

        It not political unless you make it so. Right now it’s just Celebrity news with well wishes for their kids.

      • stangerx says:

        M13 — that’s a bit harsh dude. Don Jr. is a public figure. Nothing more and nothing less than reporting what I just read. And you do know I am a conservative type I hope.

  7. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 15, 2018 at 8:11 pm
    He has great sources and when he reports what went down, I like him. It’s when he throws in snarky remarks and hunts for the negative spins he gets on my nerves.
    ———–
    Got ya! And so, I suppose you REALLY don’t like Omar!!! LOL 😉 😀

    • Tim Knight says:

      I go to Omar for any info. he has and I do think he’s right on some things, and way off in some other land about other stuff. I go to Mando more than Omar, but I really go to whoever has intel – as in what’s happening, not what they think about it.

  8. Tim Knight says:

    Oh yeah we need a kicker. LOL

  9. Rockphin says:

    My favorite beat reporter quit and went to cover the patriots. Bastard

  10. Tim Knight says:

    M13, that post wasn’t political at all.

  11. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 15, 2018 at 8:17 pm
    M13 — that’s a bit harsh dude. Don Jr. is a public figure. Nothing more and nothing less than reporting what I just read. And you do know I am a conservative type I hope.
    ———-
    You don’t want to get me started on politics, my man… SERIOUSLY. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      lol….know that well enough. That just fell into breaking news territory for me. Will also let you guys know if the missiles are ever on their way. 🙂

  12. Rockphin says:

    Volin is like a hot ex-girlfriend who broke up with you and then went and got the clap.

  13. mf13ss says:

    Alright, I’m signing off for the night.

    I just don’t understand how Donald Trump Jr and the White House has anything to do with football.

    Stanger is one of my favorite posters (and always HAS BEEN from the JUMP!), I just don’t like where he’s going or what he’s getting at with his above post.

    Keep it football, Bro.

    • mf13ss says:

      I say that with nothing but LOVE!!!
      Stanger, you’ll always be one of my favorites, my Brother!

    • stangerx says:

      Have a good night my friend. You and MIke E were the first people who actually talked to me on the SS board…and consider you both real friends. And I was not getting at anything at all if that helps.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think he was looking to start a political conversation. Lets all move along and ponder our new OL as of now with mindless amazement. 🙂

  14. Rockphin says:

    Take a time out MF damn. It would be gone by now, but YOU are keeping it in the conversation.

  15. Rockphin says:

    CavalierKong says:
    March 15, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    “No, Chad, it’s frozen water. It’s a weather thing. Do you want this meatball?”

    HUH

    I just caught that one. LOL want this meatball?

  16. Randy says:

    Thanks guys, I like Flowers and have said i’d be happy to take him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go a little earlier than he’s projected…and actually deserve it. Lol
    ***
    I was thinking more RB than FB, I like some but haven’t studied any.

  17. Tim Knight says:

    How about a fucking cheers and a salute and a fist pump and a high five for John Denney’s career. What he’s done is pretty friggin impressive. You only think about a long-snapper when you don’t have a good one. As fans we don’t even worry about that shit. Haven’t for 14 years.

  18. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 15, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    4.83/40 is a limited role player. He’s not going to find the open space he did in college.
    Reply

    Landry only ran a 4.77 at the combine….

    Don’t dis Flowers (well, really you can if you want, )

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes but he pulled up with a hammy. He ran a sub 4.6 at his pro day. I was referring to Flowers as a RB in a reply to Randy. Maybe he’d be a good FB if we want one, but I don’t see big numbers from him as a rusher or receiver in the NFL.

  19. Rockphin says:

    What? Is Denney retiring or something?

  20. Mike E. says:

    The Henne pic is at the top of the page, last picture after the article

  21. Mike E. says:

    “Henne not know what to do with football”

  22. Mike E. says:

    “Henne just pawn in game of football”

  23. Tim Knight says:

    The phrase “mindless amazement” cracks me up every time. You don’t even know what your amazed about. LOL

  24. wyoming85 says:

    Flowers only scores a bunch of TD’s ?
    Who the fuck needs any of them?????? 😉

    • Tim Knight says:

      Wyo, big jump at the next level. I’m not rooting against him or anything but don’t be shocked if he’s limited at the next level. I looked into him because some of you keep talking about him and drafting him. LOL

      I see Flowers as a role player but if he can do a lot of jobs and play STs he could be one of those guys you like having on your team.

      • wyoming85 says:

        I agree about the jump!

        But it’s not like he played @ Alcon State!

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not sure it matters where you play these days. I’m jaded by the competition in college football. It’s very skewed.

  25. ElephantRider says:

    I miss Volin too. Enjoyed seeing his break down of plays from previous week. Nobody does it now

  26. wyoming85 says:

    Congrats!
    Now go win your starting job!!!!!!!!!1

  27. wyoming85 says:

    Hey Randy are you watching the NCAA wrestling Championship?

  28. wyoming85 says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think they did a great job with the OL

      I just wish Landry/Suh were still dolphins

      • wyoming85 says:

        Meh! You won’t even know there gone!
        Until you reallise we just had a quarter without a penalty?????

      • Tim Knight says:

        Grasshopper, sometimes the butterfly fly away.

        The mantra I got from Gase and the FO after the season was, we’re not doing this the same way next year.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        When I walking the streets of NYC in a Landry colorrush Jersey muttering profanity under my breath – I’ll know

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yeah Tim I get that

        But there is a fine line between knee jerk reaction to meaningful change

        Anyway I’m glad they prioritized OL with the $ – I’m so tired of talking about OL

  29. Rockphin says:

    Oh, we resigned Denney… Dilly Dilly

    I love seeing him make the tackle on punts.

  30. wyoming85 says:

    Piggy do you need 50 bucks for a new jersey?

  31. Randy says:

    Tim,
    I like Flowers as a FB. He kind of reminds me of Byars.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      you know I thought that as well … i think he would be fun to have and all, but i just dont think Gase has a roster spot for that role, unless as Tim said he could be a ST tackler FG blocker.

      It would be nice to have Lousaka Polite level short yardage success again.

  32. naplesfan2010 says:

    never mind the car joke…too much time passed.
    PS: I really don’t get how to put a pic in here.
    Sometimes it works like a charm and others…total disaster.

  33. Rockphin says:

    I do not like that Ajayi is gone. I enjoyed rooting for him. I’m saddened that Landry is gone. I enjoyed rooting for him. Suh is gone too…. … um, anyway, I am still a Dolphins fan and will root for the next guy up. Most likely my favorite UDFA this season. Dolphins Rock Man!

  34. Randy says:

    Wyoming,
    I’m clicking back and forth between The Shinig and wrestling.

  35. Rockphin says:

    TOUCHDOWN DIMITRI FLOWERS!

  36. Rockphin says:

    That was pretty witty Piggy

  37. Rockphin says:

    Puppybabymonkey

  38. Rockphin says:

    Prettywittypiggy

  39. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I don’t think anything was knee jerk. I think the org sat down with probably some input from new coaches and said, this isn’t working. A lot of it was about results, production vs. dollars. It wasn’t adding up. Not so much Landry on his 2nd rd deal, but having to pay him like an elite WR when the production wasn’t there. The team walked away from all of that. People have their opinions about Tannehill and I don’t want to get into that, but he is part of the next phase.

    The team is still fluid and we’re not at end of FA or at the draft yet. Then after that, the fact is we’ve never seen this new team play. So we’re so far off from knowing whether what we did was right or wrong.

    I’m just going with the flow and commenting on each move but I have no idea whether we’re better, worse or indifferent. Too early. The team will not remain the same. 😉

  40. Rockphin says:

    I should probably say Nogtih all, I’ve been drinking.

  41. Rockphin says:

    Give me Flowers. Give me Goedirt!

  42. The Flying Pig says:

    Yes Cleo

    I don’t know who Charles is

  43. Rockphin says:

    I will leave you with this

    Nogtih all

  44. Rockphin says:

    I will let you guys draft Mayfield if we can draft Flowers.

  45. Tim Knight says:

    I have to say I like setting up for the draft where we simply take the best player on our board. We can line up and play today. Except we have to find a kicker. LOL

    Seriously, I know we need upgrades and some better depth at some positions, but adding the BPA in the draft makes your roster better. Don’t pass on greatness because of abundance and reach for need. Are we abundant anywhere where if a special prospect falls to us that we can’t take him?

    • Rockphin says:

      yeah, it’s nice to suck so bad at every position that you almost have to upgrade no matter what you pick….Oh, wait, that’s not what you are saying. LOL 😉

      Note the LOL and Winky Eye

  46. mf13ss says:

  47. Tim Knight says:

    Updated Draft Picks:
    Rd 1 Pick 11 (11)
    Rd 2 Pick 10 (42)
    Rd 3 Pick 9 (73)
    Rd 4 Pick 23 (123)
    Rd 4 Pick 31 (131)
    Rd 6 Pick 35 (209)
    Rd 7 Pick 9 (227)
    Rd 7 Pick 11 (229)

  48. wyoming85 says:

    Rockphin says:
    March 15, 2018 at 10:27 pm
    He’s charles clay but can block! What’s not to like? Football player.
    —————————————-
    Not enough to take Mayfield!

  49. Tim Knight says:

    For the record, I’m not all about taking Mayfield. However I do think we may be active for a QB 1-3.

    I could also see us trading down, adding more picks and taking the BPA on our board. We’ve made that a possibility with the moves we’ve made.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    Pouncey’s story doesn’t make sense. You miss a lot of time the last few years being paid as a top center, make it through 2017 and start every game on an OL that has been ridiculed for years, then look for a raise? WTF was that all about?

  51. Tim Knight says:

    Outside of BPA, needs to me is a fucking TE, backup QB, better depth on the OL and at RB, and a kicker. Oh yeah an upgrade at LB would be awesome but I think of it as more of a want than a need.

  52. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 15, 2018 at 11:05 pm
    His quote was posted earlier.
    ———
    I didn’t see it.

  53. mf13ss says:

    The way I understand it, Pouncey was asked to restructure his contract… he’d get paid his guaranteed $$$ upfront, instead of later.

    He didn’t ask for a pay raise, and he balked at getting more $$$ upfront. Instead, he asked for his outright release.

  54. Tim Knight says:

    Bottom line, Gase was done with same ole same old. Say he can’t handle alphas all you want. It’s not like we’re breaking up a perennial playoff team.

    Has Grier tempered Tannenbaum?

  55. Tim Knight says:

    M13, okay. What’s done is done. It will all be tallied up in the results. Just roll with it and see it for why. I get it! But W/L record trumps everything. 😉

  56. ElephantRider says:

    Funny….everyone says the team stinks. Make changes and they are all the good players? Seems to me they all stink together. Haven’t won shit with them so great….
    If they suck ass this year we prob get to blow it completely up. Yay!

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    Kevin Patra wrote:
    Pouncey, who had three years remaining on his contract, told Joe Schad of the Palm Beach Post he requested his release because his request for a raise in a long-term deal wasn’t granted.

    “I gave this city everything I had,” Pouncey told Schad. “I’m heartbroken.”

    Pouncey added that he plans on continuing his playing career after seven seasons with the team that drafted him in the first round in 2011.

    “At the end of the day I’m a Miami Dolphin for life. I think it was awesome,” he said. “I had a hell of a ride here. We’ll see what the next chapter is.”

    Cutting Pouncey saves the Dolphins $7 million on the salary cap.

  58. Tim Knight says:
    March 15, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    Outside of BPA, needs to me is a fucking TE, backup QB, better depth on the OL and at RB, and a kicker. Oh yeah an upgrade at LB would be awesome but I think of it as more of a want than a need._

    ______________________________
    They need a quarterback of the future no matter how you look at it. Whether you believe Tannehill is the guy going forward or not, the fact is that if he goes down again this season he’s done. So they can’t keep relying on backups to come in and fill in for him. They need to draft a quarterback this year, even if it’s after the first rd, who they believe can be the guy going forward if something were to happen to Tannehill. The quarterback position is too important to continue to put all your eggs in one basket and not draft someone else who you feel is capable of coming in taking over like you need them to.

    So, it’s not about whether or not you think Tannehill can do the job going forward. It’s about securing the future of the team at the position because if he goes down again you don’t want to be in a position to have to go out and find a quarterback to replace him.

  59. This offseason is going almost like I wanted. The gut job. Suh gone. Landry gone. Pouncey gone. it needed to be done. “Trim the fat” like Jared Odrick was so fond of saying.

    You need a team of players who play for the team; not play for themselves. The offensive line should be better going forward, the defensive line looks to be in good shape. We still have some needs at some positions but it’s looking better than it has in some time.

    It doesn’t appear that we went out and signed any players like a Bushrod or a Timmons that were signed just to fill in a spot. We got some solid guys who, even if they only play for a couple of seasons, can actually help us instead of just getting some stop gaps like we are used to seeing.

  60. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/2019/

    this is 2019 estimated cap right now and when you look at it in terms of the % of cap each player is receiving it’s a lot better than what it was at the start of this season. THIS is what cap management should look like; not those bloated contracts where you’ve got 3 guys taking up a huge chunk of cap space.

    the new signees are at the bottom and their salaries aren’t included yet so the cap space isn’t adjusted yet for them but it’s a lot more manageable than it used to be.

  61. If my boy Melvin Island could be had on the cheap I would love to see them take a shot at him. Yeah we have Lippett coming back and Howard and Tank in there but you can never have enough good cb’s. He would be a nice addition if we could get him.

  62. naplesfan2010 says:

    sorry to interrrupt the flow Lou, but this was posted after Amendola left NE.
    Paul yesterday
    I’ve been a Patriot fan since 1960, and the team has been through a lot, to get to finally be successful. We saw Darryl Stingley lose his mobility, for a game that didn’t count. We saw players that gave what they had, to obtain
    the chance to play in a Super Bowl, only to see one chance after another get wiped away by an infamous penalty, or injury in a crucial situation. We saw teams finally make it to the promised land, only to lose to both the Bears, and the Packers, but unlike the coach who wouldn’t even fly home with the team after that last loss, we hung in there. We saw Drew Bledsoe
    give all he had to that very same coach, only to have almost no respect given in return, but he hung in there. And in a disheartening moment when
    Drew was giving all he had on that fateful run, he hung in there with the team and got a winning start in the playoffs, knowing as we all did when we finally won, that the reigns had been passed. Then this winning thing was amazing. We got and stayed so good for so long, with a super owner, coach, quarterback, and supporting team. Players came and players left, many times without understanding, but we hung in there. I really feel that when this last Super Bowl played out as it did, the fans and players alike, asked ourselves, “Really? After ALL we’ve been through, through our entire history, and the sacrifice so many have made in blood, sweat, tears and pain, not to mention the “modest” pay, it’s all gonna come to a coach throwing it all away out of principal?” How can you expect to ask these guys to give all that they have, for all of these years, with all the work that
    had to be done this year, only to watch the coach stand there and watch us bleed to death, “never to lift a hand”? Pretty hard to hang in there any longer!

  63. wyoming85 says:

  64. Mike E. says:

    So basically Pouncey wanted an insurance policy of maybe $20M guaranteed that he would happily collect after saying he needs to retire, the pain in his hips is so severe, he just can’t play anymore. Thanks for the new contract though!

    Glad we didn’t fall for that

    • D says:

      I feel pretty certain he would retire after next year. If I was him I would just do it now. Jumping in on a new team at what very likely is just a couple years of solid play in you future. Sounds like he is heading for going out on the bottom of a career not while you still have you health and pride.

  65. D says:

    Was looking at a site that listed all teams and their FA moves including trade tracking back to Alex Smit to the skins and TBH and TBVS we have made what feels to me the most solid moves this off-season. Now I’m not including in that the distaste I have for how they did some of them, but just off of the list this guy but add this one, pretty solid moves

  66. D says:

    HTDCOPM TOIA LOL

  67. Mike E. says:

    So Josh Rosen says he’s the draft’s most accurate passer.

  68. Mike E. says:

    FYPMSUJTBCWTN

  69. Mike E. says:

    Ken – So are you saying Mayfield’s completion pct. which is much higher than Rosen’s is due to lesser competition?

    • Ken says:

      No. I think it’s more of a result of the spread offense run by Oklahoma. UCLA pushes the ball downfield more in a traditional pro style offense. Also Oklahoma has great talent on offense around Mayfield. UCLA not so much

      • Mike E. says:

        Isn’t that pretty much what we’ll be doing here though? We have 3 WR so often, and 4 and even 5 WR sets, and operating from the shotgun pretty often too.

      • Ken says:

        That’s why Tannehill has such high % of completions when he is not the most accurate passer in the league. But we don’t run a spread offense and we don’t have Oklahoma’s talent relative to the rest of our competition. Watch the bowl game between Georgia and Oklahoma. When Mayfield was forced to put the ball into a tight space he struggled. Rozen doesn’t have that problem.

  70. Ken says:

    Phelon:
    Relying on college stats is not a good method of scouting for pro prospects. There is such a wide discrepancy between levels of competition, recruiting and different offenses that just don’t work in the pros that college stats really don’t mean that much. It is more about projection of skill set at the next level. That is why I think Josh Allen is the best QB in this draft or why Carson Wentz was when he came out. Their stats were nothing special but their athletic skills sets were. So yes I do think Mayfield’s completion % is overrated in terms of how projects as a pro

  71. wyoming85 says:

  72. Mike E. says:

    Ken – Not to belabor the discussion, but your response to me confirms my lesser competition question. It’s not the offense, it’s the talent of OKL compared to the teams they play against. That’s fine, I just wanted to know why you feel that way.

    • Ken says:

      I still think it is more a result of system than anything else. Both Oklahoma and UCLA play in competitive conferences. Oklahoma has more talent than UCLA so it is not the competition but his own team imo

      • The Flying Pig says:

        OK has had that system for a while now and no one has produced like Mayfield

        OK also doesn’t really have any prior qbs who have been busts in the nfl in recent years

        Both bradford and Landry Jones have been able to find success In the league – Modest success, but it’s not quite RG3 system territory

        I get your concern about system – but I don’t think a Mayfield is a product of the OK system

  73. wyoming85 says:

    Finally! something news worthy!

  74. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t care too much about raw stats for qbs like yards or TDS

    But I do care about comp % and interceptions

    If into are high or % is low in college – it doesn’t usually get better in the pros

    I really have a problem with both Lamar Jackson and zjosh Allens comp %

    The thing about those two is they have amazing physical qualities
    But I feel better about Josh Allen than Jackson bc his qualities are more related to his skills as a passer –

    I know he goes top 10
    Maybe even 1

    But I think he should be late first or 2nd rounder
    I think he needs a lot of time

  75. wyoming85 says:

  76. Ken says:

    Just so people don’t think I am biased against Mayfield. I am an OU college football fan. They became my favorite college team when my brother went to get his PhD there. I went to a number of games there during the Bradford and DeMarco Murray days. I have been a fan ever since. I watch OU every chance I get. I like Mayfield. I thought he rightfully deserved the Heisman trophy. However, I don’t think his skill set is up to the level of talent that translates well at the next level. I don’t think he will necessarily bust but I don’t think he will boom either

  77. Mike E. says:

    Ken – Are you no longer in pain, or are you toughing it out because you want to get addicted?

    • Ken says:

      Combination of both. I still have pain and discomfort but it is more manageable. I will take Tylenol on occasion or Tylenol pm at night but I didn’t want to be addicted to the Hydrocodone and you can feel the cravings starting so that is when I said time to stop.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He just gets angrier and bigger with the pain

      He has Gamma blood

    • D says:

      Hydrocodone specifically but Oxycodone to some extent as well weakens the heart muscles if used for a prolonged period of time or abused for even a moderately short amount of time. Its a good idea to break the habit as soon as you can manage it. You do need to stay on them long enough to tolerate the pain though because stress from chronic pain is very detrimental to healing and your overall health too so i would say if you still find yourself anything above a 3 on a 10 point scale taking just the Tylenol, you might want to cut the dosage but you may still need those big boy ones.

  78. Mike E. says:

    Ken – I figured it was probably a combo – Smart man. The last thing you need is pain med addiction now.

  79. The Flying Pig says:

    Tannebaum must be asleep after working the phones for the last 72 hours bc instead of discussing new moves we are discussing how to evaluate WBs

  80. The Flying Pig says:

    Some of you will be happy to know that wedge 👽 is about to starts doscussing TEs and LBs

    There is really on 1 RB and maybe a couple of DTs I think I will look at other than LBs and TEs

  81. stangerx says:

    Suh’s house had been on the market since early February. Maybe he’s been looking to upgrade or maybe he’d known what was gonna happen since then.

    You can click through some photos of the place……and he has a pool table in case ORob ever stops by.
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1717-Middle-River-Dr_Fort-Lauderdale_FL_33305_M67460-16838#photo0

  82. mf13ss says:

    IF I understand this correctly — that Tannehill’s new cap # for this year is $8.7M after restructuring — and if/when we sign Quinn to a new deal or restructure him… the highest paid Dolphin for the ’18 season will be ANDRE BRANCH @ $10M.

    I’m sorry, but Andre Branch should NOT be the highest paid Dolphin for the ’18 season… he’s not THAT good. I’ve gotta think that this is going to change at some point.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s not that good, but it’s not really important whether his cap hit this year is the highest, especially because we restructured a bunch of contracts. I wouldn’t worry about it. You don’t want to restructure everyone, that kills the cap for next season

      • mf13ss says:

        I’m not really worried about it, I’m just looking at the situation as a possible clue of what we may do next… and we are rather crowded at the DE position. We won’t cut him, for we’d have to swallow another $11.9M in dead cap.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Queu the “there is nothing wrong with branch’s contract” reply

      Yes Branch is solid
      But it was always a bad contract

      They need to take steps to change that number and when you consider the depth at DE and the moves we made recently, a change seems imminent

      Maybe Kiko too

      I accepted the Tannehill, Suh contracts as necessary
      But the Pouncey, Branch and Kiki contracts – I’m not a fan of

      Pouncey is already fixed. Let’s see what happens with Branch and Kiko

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Queu the “there is nothing wrong with branch’s contract” reply

      Yes Branch is solid
      But it was always a bad contract

      They need to take steps to change that number and when you consider the depth at DE and the moves we made recently, a change seems imminent

      Maybe Kiko too

      I accepted the Tannehill, Suh contracts as necessary
      But the Pouncey, Branch and Kiki contracts – I’m not a fan of

      Pouncey is already fixed. Lets

  83. mf13ss says:

  84. mf13ss says:

  85. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – If you cut Branch, that’s a different story, or ask him to take a pay cut, and redo his contract, that’s fine, but restructuring doesn’t make sense. I’m fine with either of those things, I’m not a Branch defender, and now that we have substantial depth, I don’t mind cutting him.

  86. mf13ss says:

  87. drg says:

    I rip on Tannenbaum all the time, but credit is due. Great job so far. Loved the OL moves yesterday. He even pulled of a great trade!

    I’d prefer we stay away from overpaying a TE. The guys available just aren’t worth the money. Wait it out and sign a guy to a one year deal. Address it in the draft.

  88. Mike E. says:

    M – Dolphins proved they swallow! lol

  89. stangerx says:

    “He could be in the mix to be the second pick, or he could drop down to No. 11. There is a polarization with that particular evaluation and a lot of mixed options. I could have put him at No. 6 to the Jets, and I don’t think anybody would have been questioning that. Instead I put him at No. 11 to the Dolphins, and it raised some eyebrows.”

    — Kiper on Josh Rosen

  90. drg says:

    Pig,

    The idea was that Kiko, Branch, Jones, Stills, and others were team leaders and worth overpaying to keep around. Not sure I agreed, but the concept made some sense. Obviously that hasn’t been the case. They picked up Branch from Jax for nothing and got a solid season out of him. Why do you turn around and sign him to a giant deal the very next year? That made little sense. Most of those deals were questionable, at best.

    Other than the Philly trade, I think the FO has done a great job so far. We’ve avoided big commitments and still kept the ability to remain cap flexible going forward. Just have to be comfortable with the idea that there will be some holes where we’ll need young guys to step in and fill or pick up some bargain FAs in the summer.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m happy with e FO moves to an extent
      I would prefer to have A 2018 team with Landry and Suh
      But I am glad we made the OL moves we made – and that was a big deal

    • stangerx says:

      Easy to look at with 20/20, but thought we got value with Stills at least….and they did let him test the waters before he came back at a lower price. And Jones I just think a stud. So am cool. Kiko and Branch might have gotten more than they should cause they were Gase guys….but still solid players.

  91. wyoming85 says:

    OH I’m going to like reading the Sitton quotes!

  92. Mike E. says:

    LOL! – That’s a great quote from Sitton

  93. Mike E. says:

    drg – Is that true that Kiko, Branch Still and Jones are team leaders? Maybe compliant would be a better word, and possibly Jones is a team leader, but I think we’ve had a huge lack of leadership on this team, so if they are leaders, they’re ineffective at best.

  94. Mike E. says:

    Wow! I knew it was going to be big bucs

    Bucs signing Honey Badger to a 4YR/$62M contract, $37M guaranteed

  95. wyoming85 says:

    Give Denny a raise!

  96. D says:

    D says:
    March 16, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    Ken,
    Hydrocodone specifically but Oxycodone to some extent as well weakens the heart muscles if used for a prolonged period of time or abused for even a moderately short amount of time. Its a good idea to break the habit as soon as you can manage it. You do need to stay on them long enough to tolerate the pain though because stress from chronic pain is very detrimental to healing and your overall health too so i would say if you still find yourself anything above a 3 on a 10 point scale taking just the Tylenol, you might want to cut the dosage but you may still need those big boy ones.

    • Ken says:

      I stopped taking them over a week ago. I was on it for about 2 weeks

      • drg says:

        Stay away from that crap if at all possible. Too many negatives. Alternate Tylenol/Advil and whatever else seems to help. Pot, JD, whatever… lol.

      • Ken says:

        It was necessary immediately post surgery but as soon as I was able to tolerate the pain I got off of them

  97. drg says:

    Mike,

    Seemed to me that Suh, Wake, Landry, and Pouncey were probably the “leaders” last year. Suh does his own thing and isn’t a natural leader. Wake is kind of the same. Wake at least is a great example. Landry gives you the emotion and fire, not so much the team player type. Pouncey is sketchy. I think we are all glad to see him go.

    I like Jones and Stills. Think they can be good leaders in the locker room if that’s the role they assume. Tannehill needs to play better before he can demand respect. Maybe Sitton is a guy that will bring the OL together on and off the field.

    Pretty obvious Gase did not have control of the team last year. This is his shot to change that.

  98. drg says:

    Pig,

    Even though Landry and Suh are great players, are they difference makers? How hard is it to replace their value, or at least 80% of their value? I think that’s the question. Can we utilize the cap space to improve other positions while getting a slight % less from their replacements? Does the team play better as a whole because of the additions/subtractions.

    Ideally, I would have loved to see Landry fall in line and stay with us. Even at 15 million/year. Hard to say what the right move was.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think on a game to game basis – great players make the difference
      The real problem with our team wasn’t the top players, it was the middle tier IMO
      and the root of that was bad drafting for years

  99. Mike E. says:

    drg – I hope Sitton will be a positive influence. We need someone in the locker room that holds the others accountable. Hard to find a guy like that. First off he has to have the personality, but more importantly, he has to be a very good player that is respected.

  100. D says:

    Look Mayfield isnt ideal, but for the plans that Gase has for our offense he should fit well. I like Allen because he is prototypical for almost any pro-style offense, his has short game and deep ball skills, he’s a natural under center, pocket passing QB. There is just a lot more concepts you cant play in his offense where as Mayfield is more a system QB. Lucky for us i believe our system is one that he fits in and thats why i wouldnt at all be upset with him as our selection and i wouldt care if we had to trade up some to get him. The top 4 this year are solid, and if i had a beef with any of them it would be Darnold, i wouldn’t trade up for him. I also think that Rudolph wouldn’t be a bad selection but i dotn think he has the upper tier kind of potential to make him worth a top 11 pick so if we were selecting him id wish it were at a better value position.

    Ive got my QB’s ordered liek this right now. Allen, and mostly because of the ceiling he has, i dont care that he isnt the most polished and pedestrian comp percentages, those are coach-able things but the other things he has arent. Rosen and Mayfield i have at about a tie for 2nd, Mayfield because i think he is a good system fit for us, nearly perfect system fit, and he has intangible that i think give him great on-field leadership potential. Rosen is the kinda of middle ground between a good system fit and being a more protypical QB with a blend of top tier ability, though not a spectacular as maybe Allen is physically or Mayfield is as a on-field leader. Darnold to me kinda of is Rosen-lite, though i have heard he probably has a better on-field leadership type personality. He is too erratic to me, and i feel more comfortable with Rosen, Allen and Mayfield than him. Im probably pretty alone in that evaluation though/

  101. Rockphin says:

    WBs……?

    Wunning Backs Elmer?

  102. Rockphin says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 16, 2018 at 11:45 am
    And he doesn’t even invite Son over to hang out! Good thing we cut the bastard!

    It’s because the one time Suh met Son it turned out way too awkward. Being followed around on your knees by a big old man is off putting.

    https://tenor.com/view/not-worthy-waynes-world-bow-praise-gif

  103. D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 16, 2018 at 1:43 pm

    I think on a game to game basis – great players make the difference
    The real problem with our team wasn’t the top players, it was the middle tier IMO
    and the root of that was bad drafting for years
    ————————————
    I completely agree, but it has to be a on a team with some sort of identity of its own already, so that the person isnt your entire team. If we had good contributions across the board, and the team solidly played well, and they were consistently disciplined then that played take the team to a whole other level. Thats what Gronk is, he is that next level player that integrated with a very solid team, coached well and playing with consistency, becomes almost God like. Even Gronk on our team last year doesn’t do shit and its why Suh, even though disrupting on every play overall didnt change the run stoppage of our defense in any significant way. I do know that we would have been even worse without Landry and Suh and all that, so the statements of “oh how did having those guys really work out for us” is silly, but it does have a somewhat fair point about paying like a team that is one player away from perennial playoffs when we obviously aren’t.

    • D says:

      DRG, they are absolutely difference makers, they just didnt make any difference on a team as far away from being competitive as we were last year.

  104. Randy says:

    Can we see how the season plays out before we all get chubbies over the offseason moves? Lol

  105. mf13ss says:

    Here ya go, Ken!!!

  106. Rockphin says:

    And keep an eye on Dion Sims; the Dolphins are believed to have interest in bringing him back if Chicago cuts him after signing Trey Burton. Sims is due to make $6 million next season, and $4 million of that becomes guaranteed if he’s on the Bears’ roster after Friday.

  107. Tim Knight says:

    Branch was playing really well before he got hurt. Our defense played well early in the season while the offense was trying to figure out how to score a point. LOL

    Branch’s contract is 3 years $24M at $8M per, it just happens to be at the high point this year. It’s the same deal we just signed Wilson too.

    Alonso’s contract is 4 years $29M which is $7.25M per. These are not crazy contracts. Do you see what FAs are getting this year?

    • mf13ss says:

      Did you see what FAs were getting when we signed Branch? Yup, we overpaid him… badly.

      • mf13ss says:

        It’s time we start building through the Draft, rather than overpaying for FAs (the Tannenbaum way of doing things).

      • Tim Knight says:

        Disagree. He’s a quality starting DE. Just because he’s not all-pro or pro bowl doesn’t mean these guys make peanuts. He played hurt for quite a few games last year before it started taking its toll and he had to shut it down. He was on pace before that to probably have his best sack season. His deal isn’t long-term or a burden. Not sure why you guys harp on his and Alonso’s middle of the road contracts.

  108. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, I said we need to add a QB. I used “backup” because that is what he’ll be early on. Then let it play out from there.

  109. Rockphin says:

    Thanks for fixing it and for the posting lesson Mike E!

  110. Rockphin says:

    Randy says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm
    Can we see how the season plays out before we all get chubbies over the offseason moves? Lol

    Reply

    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

    It is our offseason right of passage to get chubbies for players who have never played a snap in the NFL!!!

    now go get Goedert & Flowers Dolphins front office!

  111. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:37 pm
    …Not sure why you guys harp on his and Alonso’s middle of the road contracts.
    ———–
    I can’t play the harp… but I DO have an auto-harp!!! 🙂

    I’m REALLY good with Kiko’s contract, contrary to most others. But I also feel that Branch is overpaid. JMO

  112. Tim Knight says:

    M13, do you ever look at the roster and see how many draft picks and UDFAs are on the team? Since the Suh contract, we have not signed an outside FA to a deal worth $30M or more. We are doing what you’re suggesting. Every team uses FA to add some pieces. We have not been one of the biggest players in FA for 3 years now (since Grier became GM). We have made some trades, but so what. It’s about adding talent to improve your team. Building through the draft doesn’t mean exclusively. It’s a blend.

    • mf13ss says:

      Tim,

      Being that there IS a cap space in the NFL, we couldn’t add any more other HUGE FA $$$ contracts after signing Suh. You must realize as much.

      • mf13ss says:

        *that there IS a salary cap in the NFL

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think this year should show you a team can add players they want if that’s really what they want to do. Anyway, Suh’s albatross contract is no longer the issue that it once was. Yes still some significant dead money but as D has pointed out that’s not even a big deal in the big scheme of things.

  113. Ken says:

    LOL at M13. Ferrigno rocked as the Hulk

    • mf13ss says:

      I thought you might enjoy that! And it’s funny… one of my colleagues is a DEAD-RINGER for a young Lou Ferrigno. He’s 25 years old and could probably reprise Ferrigno’s role in “Hercules”… and he’s a really good dude and friend of mine.

  114. sb7mvp says:

    There’s a salary cap? Why didn’t somebody tell us??

    • Mike E. says:

      I think someone told Mikey Tradey Pants about a week ago

      • mf13ss says:

        ^^^

        And Mikey Tradey Pants STILL spent as fast as possible in FA.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yes, but I think he did it very responsibly, as opposed to every other year he’s either been a GM or VP

      • Tim Knight says:

        M13, you say spent instead of looking at it as player acquisitions. You spend for every player you add including the draft.

        Whether these moves pan out or not, I don’t see anything bad that we did this offseason.

  115. CavalierKong says:

    Randy says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm
    Can we see how the season plays out before we all get chubbies over the offseason moves? Lol
    ————————–
    Um, no, I prefer to get chubbies more than once a decade.
    Offseason is all we have!

  116. Tim Knight says:

    I have to say, with how the whole Pouncey thing went down, to somehow pull off the deal for a starting center in Kilgore was pretty impressive. That was good work.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I have to admit, this offseason is starting to grow on me. Of course it may be I’m so oline starved that any moves to improve it are like water to a man dying of thirst.

    • I have to say, I didn’t think they would do it and didn’t think they COULD do it but I’m pleasantly surprised to see they let Landry, Pouncey and Suh go and were able to do what they did with the offensive line.

      Showed the balls I was hoping they would show but I never expected it.

  117. When you look at the % the contract is to the total cap there really isn’t a player on this roster right now who’s contract is BAD.

  118. CavalierKong says:

    I REALLY like the move to get another center. I’m sure it’s been discussed, but I have to wonder how much the Pouncey practice schedule hurt our oline last year. It may have kept him healthy, but how can it not set back the cohesiveness, not having full practices with the oline QB?

    • mf13ss says:

      I’m with ya on this. I just hope that the signing of Kilgore doesn’t preclude us from pursuing an O-Line candidate early.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Agreed. We need to continue to add to the oline. Both Sitton and Kilgore are nearing their dotage football-wise so we get a few years at best. Add more oline, a playmaking TE, maybe another LB, a mid to late round RB or FA RB, and I’ll be happy.

  119. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:23 pm
    Branch’s cap hit is only 6.5% of the total cap this year. He’s not a bad player.
    ———
    And you just said it… Branch is not a “bad” player. One doesn’t talk in those terms when he’s about to be the highest paid player on the team.

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s only because of the recent cuts and restructures, it won’t be next year for sure, so you have to look at it under that context

      • Tim Knight says:

        Exactly! He doesn’t have the biggest contract, it’s just the high point of his 3 year deal. Also as of right now Quinn is making the most on an annual salary for 2018, not Branch.

      • stangerx says:

        And technical salary aside…..Tanny is getting the most money on the team this year by far. He just cashed a big old restructure check which was most of the $19 mil of his old salary.

    • well, I’d much rather have him with his contract than have OV with his. Branch’s contract is not a bad contract. So whether he’s the highest paid player on the team or not is irrelevant. The contract is for a starting DE and it’s a pretty decent deal if you ask me.

      I think too many ppl get all excited about the latest narrative. Like the Twitter Twits who are out there bashing Branch because McCain had more sacks than him in LA. McCain is a one year wonder and everyone’s getting all jazzed up about him.

  120. Tim Knight says:

    Armando reported that the team came to the conclusion that having to be cautious with Pouncey and his long-term durability was not ideal.

    M13, being that we have a starting lineup on the OL that we can go play a game with already, we don’t have to go OL early. We could go mid rounds and develop them so they’re more ready in a couple of years. That said, if OL is the BPA on our board in the 1st or 2nd rd I think we take him.

    • mf13ss says:

      Wash, rinse, and repeat… for over 15 years, now. It’s TIME to invest in our O-Line, via the DRAFT! As I posted yesterday, our interior O-Line are all 30+.

      We continue to spend $$$ on aged vets at the O-Line positions… good for today, BAD for tomorrow.

      • Tim Knight says:

        How did relying on young unproven players like Thomas, Turner and Douglas pan out? It’s not about just saying young and through the draft, it’s about guys who can play.

        I bet if you went and looked at other teams’ rosters and salaries you would find the same stuff you keep criticizing the Phins for.

        Some people are annoyed we had to move on from Incognito and seeing him play well for the Bills. He’s 34. The Broncos just signed your boy Keenum to a nice deal and he’s 30. I’m happy for him by the way, he earned it. You’re too fixated on 30+ as if these guys are 40. LOL

        FYI, we’ll have 8 players on the roster 30 years of age or more this season. That counts Denney, Wake, Jones and Tannehill in July. Most of the roster is made up of 22-26.

  121. CavalierKong says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    I have to say, I didn’t think they would do it and didn’t think they COULD do it but I’m pleasantly surprised to see they let Landry, Pouncey and Suh go and were able to do what they did with the offensive line.
    ————————————-

    After my initial emotional response to losing Suh and Landry, I took a step back and really only asked myself two questions.

    Would I have been happy if we kept Landry at 15 mil per season?
    Would I be happier to have Suh on the roster at 26 mil?

    For me, both answers are a resounding NO. Then to land a top 5 G, and flip Pouncey to Kilgore in the blink of an eye.

    I’m getting excited again. It’ll probably last right up to the 2nd or 3rd preseason game when we lose some key cogs, everything turns to sh*t, and it turns to same ol same ol, lol.

    • stangerx says:

      They at least sure have something in mind. And it is not a blow up….more like FF stuff. They are trying to compete next year.

  122. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:36 pm
    well, I’d much rather have him with his contract than have OV with his…
    ———–
    How are you able to interject OV into this? That’s been IRRELEVANT for some time.

    The question you should ask yourself is THIS: how many reps will Branch see with all of the DEs we have? What’s more, how are we to develop young Charles Harris what with our DEEP DE roster?

    I’m not dissin’, just trying to give ya food for thought… nothing more.

    • 1st of all, Branch is a DE. Harris is a pass rush specialist at this point. If you want Harris to develop, that’s up to him doing what’s necessary to get on the field. I’m not worried about how many snaps Branch has at DE. We’ve got 5 guys right now in Wake, Hayes, Quinn, Branch and Harris and the only thing I care about is how they play as a GROUP to get the job done during the season.

  123. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:37 pm
    Exactly! He doesn’t have the biggest contract, it’s just the high point of his 3 year deal. Also as of right now Quinn is making the most on an annual salary for 2018, not Branch.
    ——–
    You’re spinning again, man. I already spoke (see my earlier posts today) to Quinn likely being restructured/extended… and Phelon is likely CORRECT on this.

    I don’t know what flavor of Kool Aid you like, but you should be working in the PR department of the Phins.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I look at it realistically, not from a hater standpoint. You bash Ross and Tannenbaum every chance you get. Even when you’re wrong about what they did or didn’t do, you find another way to keep doing it when it doesn’t exist. You said cap HELL for months and presto no more. Yet now you’re looking at other ways to keep criticizing it as if you’ve been right all along and you weren’t and aren’t.

  124. mf13ss says:

  125. drg says:

    Pig, D,

    I agree that Suh and Landry aren’t good enough to cover for a bad team, but that’s the point, right? And what’s a difference maker? If a guy doesn’t significantly increase your win share % then why devote a ton of money to him? If the middle of your roster is soft then you need to focus on that through the draft and bargain FAs.

    That’s why I get so annoyed with trades like the Philly deals, Carroo, etc. There’s going to be plenty of misses in the draft, especially in the later rounds. You have to hoard those picks so that the numbers play out in your favor.

  126. wyoming85 says:

  127. drg says:

    Randy,

    Who knows if any of these moves will pay off, but I like the strategy we seem to be following. Other than the Philly trade, we’ve kept our picks or accumulated them. Most of the deals we’ve made are reasonable salary, short term deals with an out. Seems like several are lunch pail type personalities. We’ll see how the draft plays out and the other moves they make. Long ways to go.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Well you are going to need blue chippers when your team brings in the other talent – so we gave away those blue chippers IMO and now we need to find more

  128. wyoming85 says:

    need I remind everyone that we had 3 1st rounders on the shitty OL last year?
    That’s a major investment! A shitty one for sure!

  129. Tim Knight says:

    Chad Henne is signing with the Chiefs so you can all exhale. LOL

    I guess Andy Reid is a moron. 😉

  130. wyoming85 says:

    Josh James Sitton is an American football guard for the Miami Dolphins of the National Football League (NFL). He played college football at UCF, and was drafted by the Green Bay Packers in the fourth round of the 2008 NFL Draft

    Daniel Ray Kilgore (born December 18, 1987) is an American football center for the Miami Dolphins of the National Football League (NFL). He was drafted by the 49ers in the fifth round of the 2011 NFL Draft

  131. The Flying Pig says:

    I want my chubbie now

  132. The Flying Pig says:

    Rank your top 5 Dolphin targets of the 2018 draft

    I will start

    1 Nelson
    2. Edmunds
    3 Roquin Smith
    4. Mayfield
    5. Guice (but seems like Vea is heating up)

  133. herdfan says:

    So excited! The Herd advances in March madness. First time in 31 years. If WV wins we have them next. They won’t play us anymore during the season. #wewaiting. #goherd

  134. Tim Knight says:

    I’m also not worried about who plays how many snaps at DE. They’re all going to play and we might see 4 of them at the same time in sub packages. You also need depth, guys get banged up playing this game.

  135. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    I look at it realistically, not from a hater standpoint. You bash Ross and Tannenbaum every chance you get. Even when you’re wrong about what they did or didn’t do, you find another way to keep doing it when it doesn’t exist. You said cap HELL for months and presto no more. Yet now you’re looking at other ways to keep criticizing it as if you’ve been right all along and you weren’t and aren’t.
    ——-
    Were we NOT in CAP HELL? YES!!! And yes… “PRESTO”, we’ve gotten rid of our best players to resolve the CAP HELL we’d been mired.

    Can I assign blame to Tannenbaum for the OVER THE TOP contracts he’s previously handed out like Halloween candy to “trick-or-treaters”? DAMN STRAIGHT, I CAN! And who is it who signed Tannenbaum as our GM? None other than Steve Ro$$.

    Yet, you REFUSE to acknowledge the fact that I think Chris Grier has done a decent job for us.

    Brother… Tannenbaum SUCKS… as does the owner who signed him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Hopefully someday you can enjoy the team. You seem to be more into personal biases against people than focusing on the sport, players and the team. That’s not my thing. We can agree to disagree on this.

      • mf13ss says:

        Bro, I’m LEASHED to our team, for better or for worse!!! I merely see mistakes, nothing more.

        Even if we go 0-16 next year, I’ll STILL BE BACK!!!
        #PhinsForLife

  136. Randy says:

    Tim
    The 49ers signed another center to a long term deal and Kilgore became expendable. We signed him. How is it that some sort of genius move? LOL

    • Tim Knight says:

      First off I know what they did, they signed Weston Richburg from the Giants. I was impressed how we flipped the position so quickly by trading for him. I never used the word genius either. 😉

  137. mf13ss says:

  138. ElephantRider says:

    I disagree that we’ve gotten rid of our best players. I said this yesterday…

    ElephantRider says:

    March 16, 2018 at 12:12 am

    Funny….everyone says the team stinks. Make changes and they are all the good players? Seems to me they all stink together. Haven’t won shit with them so great….
    If they suck ass this year we prob get to blow it completely up. Yay!

  139. Rockphin says:

    MF13, where have you been? we have invested tons of draft capital in the Oline over the last 10 years.

    2008 – #1 overall pick, 4th rnd, 6th rnd
    2009 – 6th rnd
    2010 – 3rd rnd
    2011 – 1st rnd
    2012 – 2nd rnd
    2013 – 3rd rnd
    2014 – 1st rnd, 3rd rnd
    2015 – 4th rnd
    2016 – 1st rnd
    2017 – 5th rnd

    that is FOUR first round picks in 10 years and 13 picks overall. 8 “money” picks (3rd round or higher)

    We just need to draft BETTER!

  140. son of a son of a shula says:

    There’s been a lot of letting go this week. Losing Landry and Suh was tough. But in the grand scheme of things it’s no big deal at all. This place was a great outlet for me this past week or so. I was able to yell and vent without even speaking a word out loud.
    My family had a much more devastating loss this week when my sister in law, but really sister, lost her war and I do mean war, against cancer. We lost her on Monday. She fought it so hard my brother with her every step of the way. We put her to rest tomorrow.

    Fight like hell
    Fuck cancer
    Ken know you have a bunch of people you may not hear but they are all shouting for you

  141. Tim Knight says:

    Alright Piggy, I’ll play.

    Rank your top 5 Dolphin targets of the 2018 draft
    1. Will Hernandez (don’t think Nelson is falling to us and Hernandez is on the rise)
    2. Tremaine Edmunds
    3. Roquan Smith
    4. Vita Vea
    5. Da’Ron Payne

    I wish there was more offense specifically a TE at #11. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we drafted Guice or a QB. I don’t think any of the 4 QBs is falling to us.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      would you draft will Hernandez at #11?

      I would not
      I think he is a 2nd rounder

      but he looks good and I guess if he is on the rise…that just sounds like a reach to me

      • Tim Knight says:

        I see him in some mocks at #14 to #24. But I kind of think after the QBs and the top 5 prospects that it kind of evens out and it’s a broader pool that could go anywhere. He’s considered to be a day one starter talent with upside. That’s usually what I look for when looking at the 1st round.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Once you get past the first 15 picks or so this draft kind of opens up (at least it seems that way)

        So it doesn’t surprise me that maybe guys I would expect to go in the 2nd will go in the 1st

  142. son of a son of a shula says:

    Sitton is a UCF product

    • stangerx says:

      He’s already one of my favorites. In case you missed from earlier, his comment on playing RG instead of LG was it would be like “trying to wipe your ass with the other hand.”

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        I did see the post. That’s funny. Guess that was already negotiated.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think we’re playing him on the left side. The team feels he will help improve Tunsil’s game.

  143. wyoming85 says:

    Son you and your family have my condolences my friend!

  144. Ken says:

    My condolences Son and thank you.
    #Fuck cancer

  145. The Flying Pig says:

    Mando is already saying he dolphins are saying Sitton will play LG, in part to help young Tunsil

    • Tim Knight says:

      I just posted the same thing. Larsen said he prefers RG so he and Davis can compete there. Then add a guy like Hernandez and finally be strong at the position. Even he doesn’t start right away that’s blue chip depth.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I honestly don’t think we need to draft another OG
        I think maybe when we get to round 3 or later we can start thinking about an OG/C type like a Clapp

        But I don’t think it’s where we are going early in the draft after the last couple of days of activity

      • The Flying Pig says:

        The only reason Nelson was on my list is bc I think he’s special

        But other than that – I’m not really looking at Ol other than for depth/developmental types

      • Tim Knight says:

        I agree and have said the same thing. I just have a gut feeling Hernandez is going to be real good and he would help us end the struggles we’ve had on the OL. Guys get banged up there as well as we know. Nothing wrong with superior competition and depth, for once. 🙂

        Say after the 4 QBs, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Fitzpatrick, Edmunds and Smith, who is a no-brainer for you?

  146. Mike E. says:

    Sonny

    Really sorry to hear about your sis-in-law. Give my best to your wife, and my condolences to you and the family.

  147. mf13ss says:

  148. wyoming85 says:

    11: R1P11 QB JOSH ALLEN, WYOMING
    42: R2P10 TE MIKE GESICKI, PENN STATE
    73: R3P9 LB JEROME BAKER, OHIO STATE
    123: R4P23 RB JOHN KELLY, TENNESSEE
    131: R4P31 S ARMANI WATTS, TEXAS A&M
    209: R6P35 C BRADLEY BOZEMAN, ALABAMA
    227: R7P9 K DANIEL CARLSON, AUBURN
    229: R7P11 DL FOLEY FATUKASI, CONNECTICUT

  149. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    After my initial emotional response to losing Suh and Landry, I took a step back and really only asked myself two questions.

    Would I have been happy if we kept Landry at 15 mil per season?
    Would I be happier to have Suh on the roster at 26 mil?

    For me, both answers are a resounding NO. Then to land a top 5 G, and flip Pouncey to Kilgore in the blink of an eye.

    I’m getting excited again. It’ll probably last right up to the 2nd or 3rd preseason game when we lose some key cogs, everything turns to sh*t, and it turns to same ol same ol, lol.
    —————————————————-
    The question i always ask is can we replace the person effectively with the money we save. If the answer is yes then the move is a good one, and thats even if its a break even situation.

    With Landry it was 16mil we saved, and we replaced them with two guys who total 14mil, so we have a 2 mil advantage already and the two guys we picked up, plus what we could get for another 2 mil likely comes close/matches those production numbers. Thats why i didnt have a problem with us pay Landry 13-14mil per on a contract, because i think his production and the market value had him right there. There is no arguing those points, its economics and supply an demand, anything this else is a personal judgment about the quality of the player which im leaving out of my assessment. Still since we have effectively replaced him at or slightly below what he would have cost us, dilly dilly.

    Suh it the one i have a big problem with because ultimately we are taking a loss. It might be deferred until next year, and we might recomp some money after June 1st but the here and now help he was is not replaced by that move. We still have a good bit of time to make up for some of it, especially if we get a stud in the draft and/or a good late FA, or pre-season cut/pickup that helps fill the gap. Its hard to say you had a break even move when you have a -1mil yield on the cut, and still no replacement to push the move into the positives. So the Suh move to me is a wait and see.

    Pouncey was a 7mil cap savings and we picked a guy up via trade that cost us almost nothing in draft capital and at 5mil approx in cap hit, we still are 2mil in advantage from where we were with Pouncey. Whether he can fill Pouncey’s roles as effectively is to be seen, but im going to say the move was even on the player for player part so we are ahead on this deal.

    I still dont like losing our top guys, i think the idea that those guy weren’t that talented or important is pretty rude, and seems a lot more like blow it up fever than rational though. The other side of it though, like i mentioned above is that our team just really isnt that good right now, so they werent netting us anything in the long run. If our entire defense was solid, i would be kicking and screaming about the Suh move and most of you would too because he would be terror that took our defense from good to nightmare.

    Same thing with Landry, were we to have a potent offense, Landry is a guy who elevates that, he goes from being the guy who picked up a lot of completions on shorter route to a guy who probably could have had his role expanded to open up the offense more.

    Pouncey was out the door though, his health is bad, i really think he owes it to himself to retire, but some people can accept that fate. We had to make a move at least by 2019, but he helped us out by taking himself out of the equation so we could make the move now. Im just glad we had a plan in place to do it so well so quickly, because i really felt like we might have to throw a rookie to the wolves at some point this year when Pouncey went down again.

    I like our moves, and ill miss our players, but unlike mike ill just appreciate them from afar without flipping the switch to hating them. Our offseason has been surprisingly good and without having to make moves to bring in a flashy name to feel good about it.

  150. Tim Knight says:

    Beat the blitz.

  151. olddolphan says:

    REEEEEALLY LONG day at work today! – – – SO-SO Sorry, SON, for your loss! AS KEN says, “FUCK CANCER!”–I’m so tired of losing great people to this disease!! Yesterday, the FDA announced they intended to tell the tobacco folks to cut the nicotine content in cigarettes by a huge percentage effective before the end of the year. Well, that’s way too late for millions, but it DOES GIVE SOME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!!
    ——————–
    ON A much better note, super congrats to that young HERD LADY for their upset win in March Madness!!! – – Hope they beat the COAL out of West Virginia!!!
    ——————-
    I’d better enjoy this one weekend off because next Thursday I fly out with a co-worker to Baltimore for one of the three conventions I do each year at the Inner Harbor. Forecast is for highs near 50, lows in the 30’s, 2 days of rain but no snow or ice (probably). I’ll take that after the 3 Nor’easters they’ve had recently. Yes, it’s a brief return to the land of high taxes and low temperatures.

  152. Tim Knight says:

    After looking at prospects that could be there for us at #11, I’d say there are at least a dozen I’d be cool with. I could also see us trading down. It depends if we’re all about adding a top QB which I’m not against either. But I think we’d have to trade up to do that. Unless we have a QB we like that we think we can get in the 2nd rd. It’s really wide open at this point.

  153. Ken says:

    So just back from the hospital. Turns out I had an infection at a suture site in my nose (where the NG tube was). I had to have it lanced. Back to the pain meds for a day or 2 at least.

  154. Tim Knight says:

    Besides Tony Lippett coming back to compete at corner, him being a former WR having good long stride speed, he might be able to play a little deep safety in sub packages for us. He knows how to track the ball.

    Maybe Tankersley could do that as well depending on who we’re matching up against. We have a lot of length in the secondary.

    These options have nothing to do with replacing Jones and McDonald. It allows them to play closer to the LOS. Because of our personnel on defense – Jones and McDonald being S and nickel LB type guys, I see us playing a lot of what would look like dime 4-1-6 against spreads.

    DE Wake
    DT Hayes
    DL Branch
    DE Quinn

    LB Alonso

    CB Howard
    CB Tankersley/Lippett
    NB McCain
    S/NLB Jones
    S/NLB McDonald
    DS Tankersley/Lippett

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m not sure Alonso is the LB
      He’s been shot in coverage

      I think Anthony is much better

      And let’s see what McMillan can bring

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think Alonso is our #1 LB. Last year if you go back and look at it, the transition on defense happened. When people talk about rebuilding, retooling or revamping, that really started two years ago when Gase became HC – usually how it works. Now look at this offseason so far, more significant coaching and personnel changes. Gase is not going to keep rolling with the status quo, he didn’t like it. Right or wrong he’s the HC with his vision and career on the line.

        This team is pretty new. How many games have most of the players on this team played together, a handful maybe, most 1-4 years. There will be a lot more no experience playing together in 2018. That will fall on Gase and his staff. The team didn’t blow it up or rebuild this year, it’s been a 2-3 year process under him since 2016.

        Go Phins!!!

  155. wyoming85 says:

    Well Randy at least 1 Wyoming boy will be wrestling tomorrow night!

  156. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      He was a good pickup and is very much in the Landry mold. May not have the amount of catches, but I don’t think that’s the plan either. He adds more speed to the WR core. We are really fast at WR.

      I know many of us are not fans of the WR screens, but we will continue to run them, every team does. Both Wilson and Amendola know how they work even when not getting the ball. Not saying Landry didn’t, just that these two are going to be involved in what we do on offense with that quick short stuff in the passing game. The RBs too lead by Drake.

      Lots of speed and quickness on this offense. Add that TE and another RB and… 🙂

      • bookman11 says:

        Tim,

        I really like the speed and versatility potential so far. I think the moves so far have provided the ability to be pretty open with the draft. TE, RB, LB, OL,QB, and of course K..lol. If we target anything, even as a move up in Rounds 2 or 3, I pray it is s TE. (Although Fuuuuumigali, from Wisconsin can be had in the 4th or so, and he would seem to be a Gase type of guy.

  157. wyoming85 says:

  158. The Flying Pig says:

    Feel better Hulk

  159. wyoming85 says:

    Well gnitghi all

  160. bookman11 says:

    Son,
    Sorry for your loss

    Ken
    Stay angry and green against cancer, peace to you on your entire recovery.

    • Ken says:

      Thank you Bookman I hope to see you at the fest this year. Somebody needs to bring a proper drinking mug

      • bookman11 says:

        My plan is to go to 3 games this year. Sitton’s revenge against Green Bay, the game at Minnesota, and the Fest. I just hope they are all not in the same month….lol

  161. The Flying Pig says:

    11: R1P11
    QB JOSH ROSEN
    UCLA
    42: R2P10
    TE MIKE GESICKI
    PENN STATE
    73: R3P9
    LB MALIK JEFFERSON
    TEXAS
    123: R4P23
    RB JOHN KELLY
    TENNESSEE
    131: R4P31
    C FRANK RAGNOW
    ARKANSAS
    209: R6P35
    TE RYAN IZZO
    FLORIDA STATE
    227: R7P9
    K EDDY PINEIRO
    FLORIDA
    229: R7P11
    FB DIMITRI FLOWERS
    OKLAHOMA

  162. Son,

    I am sincerely sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers to you and your family.

    Ken,

    Stay strong. Thoughts and prayers to you as well.

    Lou

  163. Randy says:

    D,
    I get your posts on the economics of football….and I agree with them, for the most part. The problem is you can’t monetize heart or leadership or making guys around you better….and it varies from situation to situation, team to team and player to player. How much is it “worth it” to a team to keep a guy for intangibles? How much is it worth to a team to get rid of a guy they feel is a cancer? When dealing with humans, there will always be some gray area. There are tons of variables…just looking at the raw monetary transaction doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. “Better” is subjective.

    • D says:

      I understand that. Wake to me is that guy where I’d keep him just for leadership. Denney is probably one of those guys to as evidenced by his long tenure with us. I don’t think these moves were all about money. The Suh one can’t be explained that way because it just doesn’t match up logically. The leadership aspect I think is at the heart of most those moves, there wasn’t enough of of those variables for us to feel like we were getting what we were paying for. Sometimes what they say isn’t as bullshit coach speak as we think. This 100% smells of a culture change, but I think the culture change is with the FO. They are learning to value intangibles along with the talent.

  164. Randy says:

    Wyoming,
    Congratulations! I’m not surprised at Iowa’s performance, but 3rd place is just not cool. Penn State has a bunch of studs.

  165. Randy says:

    Son,
    That sucks, man. My heart goes out to you and your family.

  166. ElephantRider says:

    Sorry to hear Son. May your family stay strong. My condolences.

    Ken….dang man….hang in there and get well.

  167. D says:

    Son I’m sorry I must have missed you post about your sister-in-law. Condolences to you and your family. Sorry to hear of her passing. Too much C word being thrown around here these days, such an awful disease.

  168. D says:

    Btw Eddy Pinero has videos online of him kicking 80 yard field goals at UF practices. Kid has a monster leg. I’d draft him if we are serious about having a kicking game with long range scoring opportunity

  169. Mike E. says:

    Ken – I just looked it up, it was Terry Bradway who drafted K Mike Nugent at #47, 2nd RD. Sebastian Janikowski was a 1st RD pick by the Raiders, who have a long history of making bizarre draft choices

    • Mike E. says:

      It would break Piggy’s heart, but Murray wouldn’t be a bad pickup for us. I’d still rather draft a RB

      • me too. he’s a better option now than Foster was in ’16 b/c he still has some wheels left but if it’s going to preclude us from drafting a rb at some point I’d rather not. except, of course, if it still means we could get my boy MegaChunn late.

  170. wyoming85 says:

  171. BailBondMike says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 11: Edmunds, Tremaine, OLB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 2 Pick 10: Gesicki, Mike, TE, Penn State (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 9: Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (A)
    Round 4 Pick 23: Fatukasi, Folorunso, DT, Connecticut (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Ferguson, Riley, QB, Memphis (C)
    Round 6 Pick 35: Smythe, Durham, TE, Notre Dame (B)
    Round 7 Pick 5: Carlson, Daniel, K, Auburn (B)
    Round 7 Pick 11: Facyson, Brandon, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)

  172. The Flying Pig says:

  173. When you compare Jordan Chunn’s #’s at his pro day to Le’Veon Bell they are pretty close. And he’s a little heavier than Bell was at the time. If Chunn gets himself down a bit, like to around 229lbs, he could be a force to reckon with at the next level. Not saying he’s a day 1 guy, but you develop him for a year and he could be lights out from then on.

    He’s a tremendous value if he goes day 3. Some day 2 guys who can’t play on his level.

  174. The Flying Pig says:

    The jests now have the #3 pick

  175. pheloniusphish says:

    Son – sorry for your loss.

  176. The Flying Pig says:

    Might be QBs 1,2 and 3

  177. wyoming85 says:

    Well maybe ROQUAN SMITH will be there @ 11 now?

  178. pheloniusphish says:

    Jets are crazy. Still.

    Must have been afraid of the Bills jumping them and taking the QB they want.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      It really hurts the bills
      So in that sense it makes sense

      The bills already moved up – they need to move up again and spend a lot to get a qb….lol

  179. pheloniusphish says:

    I don’t think it changes much for Miami. They were picking a QB no matter where they were.

  180. pheloniusphish says:

    Unlikely anyone trades into the 1 or 2 spot now. The price in picks is set too high. Would take a Ricky Williams draft.

  181. The Flying Pig says:

    New blog up

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