This is the last look at defensive players for this draft after covering the DT’s, LB’s and Safeties. I skipped DE since we’re heavily stocked there. Every team needs a lot of good CB’s, and we may already have some, but there are definitely question marks. X really came on strong at the end of the season, but is that the real Xavien Howard, or is the X we saw 3/4 of the season the real X? Howard wasn’t the only CB to have an uneven season. Rookie CB Cordrea Tankersley showed well at times, and struggled at times as expected. The rookie 3rd RD pick was thrust into action after the Dolphins let go of Byron Maxwell. Tank started 11 games last season, had no INT’s, and had 7 passes defensed. Not known for his tackling, I thought he did well at times tackling, better than expected. Sometimes maligned slot CB Bobby McCain was easily our best CB last year. McCain was played in all 16 games, and was the most consistent DB we had in coverage. Tony Lippett should be back from his achilles injury which occurred last August, but I don’t know his recovery is going, and if he will indeed be ready. In other words, CB should likely be one of our picks in this coming draft. Let’s see what’s out there . . .
Denzel Ward 5’10 191 Ohio State
A little undersized for what we’re usually looking for, Ward is nonetheless the best cover corner in this draft. He projects well at nickle, and we have Bobby McCain. He can definitely play outside as well, but would we change our prototype and take a smaller CB? The basic rule is you don’t go against your prototype parameters, because then all of a sudden, you have a team full of odd matching pieces. On the other hand, in today’s NFL, teams trot out 4 and 5 WR formations so often, you just have to be 6 or 7 deep with with talented CB’s. Ward has great speed, running a 4.32 in addition to a 39″ vertical and a 139″ broad jump, and 16 reps. This kid is a thoroughbred athlete, and while his stats at Ohio State don’t reflect just how good he is, he’s the top rated corner in this draft at 6.31. If we ere take Ward, it would have to be at #11, if he’s even still there, and it’s very possible he’s already gone.
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Josh Jackson 6’1 192 Iowa
All hail the Ballhawk! Jackson had a terrific Junior year to end his college career and put him in excellent standing for the NFL Draft. Jackson started 13 games, and finished with an outstanding 8 INT’s, (2 for TD’s), 48 tackles (34 solo), 1 FF, and an amazing 18 passes defensed. You could easily make the argument that Jackson is the best cover corner, but I think Ward gets the nod for his potential in the pros, and his edge in speed and athleticism. Jackson ran a pedestrian 4.56 at the combine, but his 4.03 20 yard shuttle shows good short area burst. Jackson will probably be a 1st RD pick, somewhere in last 1/3 of the 1st RD, but it’s possible he slips to the early 2nd RD. Either way, he’s almost certainly not going to be available to us unless we take him at #11, and I don’t see that happening. NFL.com has Jackson rated at 6.0
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Jaire Alexander 5’11 192 Louisville
Jaire Alexander had somewhat of a cursed Junior season at Louisville. he sprained his knee in the season opener, and then came back 4 games later and aggravated the knee again. Then he broke his hand at the end of October, which kept him out even more of the season. It’s a shame, because Alexander had a fine Sophomore season starting all 13 games and totaling 39 tackles (31 solo), 5 INT’s, 1 FF, 1 FR and 9 passes defensed. Alexander has excellent cat like quickness as well as good deep speed, running a 4.38 40 with a super quick 3.98 20 YD shuttle. I’m sure scouts would have liked to seen Alexander build on his fine Junior season, but regardless, Alexander is still a possible 1st RD or 2nd RD pick. Alexander is rated at 5.99 on NFL.com
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Parry Nickerson 6’0 180 Tulane
I wanted to look at some mid RD prospects as well, and Parry Nickerson falls right into that spot. Long, but thin, Nickerson is another ballhawk at CB. Very fast running a 4.32 at the combine, Nickerson was very productive at Tulane. He finished his 4 year career with an impressive 16 INT’s, Despite his thin frame Nickerson still managed 15 reps at the combine. A very instinctive CB, also very capable of playing press, he has excellent recovery speed as well as long deep speed. Always around the ball, I think he’d be a fine mid RD pick for our team. Nickerson is rated at 5.69 and is expected to be a 3rd or 4th RD pick.
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Mike Hughes 5’10 189 UCF
Mike Hughes is an interesting prospect, and I’m sure our own draft analyst from FLA Sonny could give us more insight into this player. Not much college ball experience from which to glean information, Hughes has some serious upside. Despite his somewhat smaller size, he’s an extremely tough customer who has the ability to compete on the outside with bigger receivers. Hughes only has 2 years of playing experience, starting every contest his Junior year at UCF. While he doesn’t have deep speed, he’s a powerful press corner, who is excellent at tracking the football. His Junior year, Hughes totaled 49 tackles (37 solo), 4 INT’s (1 for a TD), 1 FF and 11 passes defensed. Hughes is rated at 5.93 and at least by Zierlein, expected to be a 1st RD pick. He’s much more about potential than actual production, so I see him as a 2nd RD pick, but we’ll see in a couple of weeks.
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I’m sure I missed a bunch of prospects that you guys like so let me hear about them, and I’m curious to hear from Son on Mike Hughes. I wanted to include a late RD pick, like Tarvarus McFadden and Brandon Facyson, but since I only do 5, I just couldn’t fit them in.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Wow
The red flags were spot on I guess
A lot of us wanted to draft him
Give Dolphins FO credit for passing (like most other teams)
Looks like the browns are about to pay Landry 15m a year for the next 5 years
I bet he catches close to 500 for them over those 5 years bits that’s still a lot of $
Nice way of saying it’s fucking ridiculous. lol
EXACTLY!!!
Different ends of the spectrum!!!!!!!!!!!
Good for Landry. Glad it wasn’t with Miami.
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Im glad so many have come to realize getting rid of Landry was a good thing, even though some weren’t happy with the compensation. This isnt intebded for anyone in particular, i just remember a lot of bitching around trade time.
Loved Landry on a 2nd rd contract. His production does not match the deal CLE gave him but like many of us said, CLE was the team that could do it because of how much cap they have. They were really his only market.
The interest in Vaccaro shows us that teams play in sub packages more than base. He’ll likely be on the field more than a 3rd LB.
They need to find 2 people other than Kiko who can do that. I would like to draft a LB either Edmunds or Smith who can be one of them. I suppose either T.J. or Raekwon could possibly be the other.
I think McMillan will be on the field a lot. I’m not saying don’t draft one of the top LBs if they’re available, always look for upgrades. But we don’t “need” another LB to have a successful season.
Which is why im not sure we need an LB at 11, but I wouldn’t mind Smith or Edmonds as long as it’s BPA. It also would give us the chance to get Kiko off the field at times without a drop off, and likely an upgrade.
11: R1P11 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS, VIRGINIA TECH
42: R2P10 TE DALLAS GOEDERT, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
73: R3P9 QB MASON RUDOLPH, OKLAHOMA STATE
123: R4P23 DL TRENTON THOMPSON, GEORGIA
131: R4P31 OT GERON CHRISTIAN, LOUISVILLE
209: R6P35 RB JUSTIN JACKSON, NORTHWESTERN
227: R7P9 LB CHRISTIAN SAM, ARIZONA STATE
229: R7P11 S DOMINICK SANDERS, GEORGIA
Everytime!
https://twitter.com/CBS4Sports/status/984457267331391488
he immediately tried to dive away with the city!
It’s kind of funny how people are so drawn to this QB class not knowing that it’s possible that maybe only one pans out. We’ve seen this script before.
Every team wants to be that ONE
I’m just going by some comments I see on twitter feeds as if one of these QBs is the key to all our ills. There isn’t even a majority opinion on any of these QBs.
And THAT is another signal of just how important the QB position is… probably the most important position in all of professional team sports.
Unless your the Fins! then it’s(Drum Roll Please)
1998 Dan Marino† (16) [50]
1999 Dan Marino† (11) Damon Huard (5) [51]
2000 Jay Fiedler (15) Damon Huard (1) [52]
2001 Jay Fiedler (16) [53]
2002 Jay Fiedler (10) Ray Lucas (6) [54]
2003 Jay Fiedler (11) Brian Griese (5) [55]
2004 Jay Fiedler (7) A. J. Feeley (8) Sage Rosenfels (1) [56]
2005 Gus Frerotte (15) Sage Rosenfels (1) [57]
2006 Daunte Culpepper (4) Joey Harrington (11) Cleo Lemon (1) [58]
2007 Trent Green (5) Cleo Lemon (7) John Beck (4) [59]
2008 Chad Pennington (16) [60]
2009 Chad Pennington (3) Chad Henne (13) [61]
2010 Chad Henne (14) Tyler Thigpen (1) Chad Pennington (1) [4][62]
2011 Chad Henne (4) Matt Moore (12) [63]
2012 Ryan Tannehill (16) [64][65]
2013 Ryan Tannehill (16) [66]
2014 Ryan Tannehill (16) [66]
2015 Ryan Tannehill (16) [66]
2016 Ryan Tannehill (13) Matt Moore (3) [66]
2017 Jay Cutler (14) Matt Moore (2)
17 57 85 92 21 66 85…
I’d be surprised if there’s only 2 good QBs from this class. We can’t just use past drafts, unless you want to bring in 83.
I think Darnold and Rosen are almost can’t miss, but Mayfield and Allen do have some big ?? I think someone else not in the top 4 will be a very good QB too.
Wow an admission of fault?
Buy the way I wanted Foster also!
Cool. I guess that means Landry truly is “worth” $15+K/year because that’s what somebody paid him. Lol
CLE was the only one willing. 😉
Wyo, we all know the history of our QBs. But only 4 of them were drafted. FYI we made the playoffs with Fiedler almost every year he was here.
You could probably make a list like that with most teams in the NFL.
Tim you don’t have to defend the Dolphins QB history to me!
It’s OK to admit between Tanny and Marino we only had noodle arm!
(Herd I used that term with every bit of respect!)
I watched it live!
I wasn’t really defending it. Just pointing some stuff out. The org didn’t make QB a priority for a lot of years. But regardless of what people think about Tannehill, we drafted him #8 and as everyone here says all the time, we don’t have much talent on the team so it can’t all be on him. LOL
So, are we still paying Quinn $10M/year, or have we redone his contract yet?
With bonuses it will be $11.4+M but if he busts we can release him with no cap hit next year. His contract doesn’t bother me if he has a good season.
Quinn means Wisdom in Gaelic
Uh-oh – Wyo – Whaddya do?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/ct-spt-dolphins-cheerleader-discrimination-virginity-20180412-story.html
there were actually 3 of them!
But I fixed it for the other 2!
LOL!
Steve, I’m not saying this QB class won’t produce some good QBs, it probably will. I was saying there may be no “elite” that everyone craves. Tannehill is a good NFL QB, the problem fans have with him is he isn’t “elite”.
Good for Landry, get what you can, it’s a business. Good for the Dolphins for not paying him that much.
So glad we passed on Foster, although we still don’t know if McMillan will give us anything at all. Hopefully he comes out balling this year. It may feel like we got two 1st rd picks this season. Fingers crossed.
If McMillan’s knee is good to go I think he’ll be good for us. He did win the starting MLB spot in TC. Too bad we never got to seem him play LB in even the PS with that freak injury on the first play on STs. Our own LB Deon Lacey is the one who took him out and he didn’t even make the team. Just another example of how fucked up of a season we had last year.
Back to Reuben Foster… he’s very probably going to be found guilty. So who do the 49ers select @ R1P9? I’d say it would be Tremaine Edmunds, after this recent revelation.
FU!!! I would have beaten you to the punch if I didn’t add commentary. LOL
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
After arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.
Go away Colin, go be a political activist since that’s your focus. Oh poor Colin. Fuck that BS!
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Yeah i saw it pop up on ESPN news while i was at lunch. It was on at the bar, so i couldnt hear it but i was about to come back and start looking up what happened. I only knew it was about a cheerleader and our team.
She seems pretty sensitive. How does her saving herself for marriage get turned into being dirty? I didn’t get that part.
I think they were at her about talking about it openly, though to me it sounded like she said she didn’t talk about it unless she was asked.
Maybe they didn’t want her promoting anything religious, but that doesn’t make it dirty. We’re in an age of sensitivity and being offended that I think gets too much attention. Does anyone let anything go anymore?
It’s the me generation. Can’t hurt their feelings. Pussies.
son of a son of a shula says:
April 11, 2018 at 7:53 pm
For some quirky reason Josh Allen and Quentin Nelson are on the board when we pick at 11, who do you take?
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Id take Nelson, since he is on higher on my board and he is probably the safest bet at getting a future pro-bowler, but id cringe knowing i was passing on Allen when i did it.
mf13ss says:
April 12, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Back to Reuben Foster… he’s very probably going to be found guilty. So who do the 49ers select @ R1P9? I’d say it would be Tremaine Edmunds, after this recent revelation.
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I think if they target a LB they might look to trade back with us or the Bills if a QB is still on the board. I think though they might look at Fitzpatrick, Ward or James there as well.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-kenny-vaccaro-20180412-story.html
He’s pretty close to what TJ is, just not quite as big. He’d be a ok box safety or NLB
Quinn means Wise Counsel to be exact SB7, i know this because thats my youngest daughters middle name.
Now i need to find out where that guy got that. Ill make my kids wear that to school every day.
Tim Knight says:
April 12, 2018 at 2:06 pm
She seems pretty sensitive. How does her saving herself for marriage get turned into being dirty? I didn’t get that part.
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From what i have read about it so far it seems like a lot of stuff with not a ton of meat to it. She sounds to maybe have been made light of for being a virgin, in some ways maybe not treated equally, but again, that’s kind of what happens when you walk a different path in life. People react badly a lot of time to things they cant relate to. Sonds like she doesnt have the best self confidence because f she knows what she is doing is right, ie it meets her moral code, then she shouldn’t feel ashamed of it or let anyone else make her feel ashamed of it.
If there was discrimination after they found out about it, ie they made her work environment so bad as to try to force her to quit, or they didn’t allow her to do things they had been previously allowing her to do, etc, then i think she has grounds no matter the severity.
pheloniusphish says:
April 12, 2018 at 2:15 pm
It’s the me generation. Can’t hurt their feelings. Pussies.
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Its not the me generation, thats the baby boomers MikeE knows pretty well about those “whipper snappers”.
Baby Boomers aren’t the “me” generation. At least I don’t think it is, not sure
“The “Me” generation in the United States is a term referring to the baby boomers generation and the self-involved qualities that some people associate with it.”
That’s Generation X. Most of the Baby Boomers hold many of the old school values they were raised with by their parents. Though there were many “the hippies”, “the punks” who wanted out of the stuffy and phony environment that lacked open mindedness. To me there are always crossovers in evolution. I’m a descendent of Baby Boomers as a Generation Xer with an empathy for the Millennials to be who they truly are. But the overly sensitive and being offended all the time nonsense is absurd.
the tail end of the Millennial generation or Gen Y and this Gen Z group are the everyone gets a trophy, everyone can identify as whatever they want, group.
They call Gen Z , iGen because they have grown up with technology, most from birth.
Oh, so I am the “me” generation. Should have known, it’s my initials.
They dont categorize generations going back far enough to classify you, im sorry Mike.
Usually when they cl;assify your generations they use the wor Era i think…. 🙂
D, my parents generation the Baby Boomers and my generation GenX were not everyone gets a trophy. I didn’t grow up with that. But some GenX bleeding heart parents made a big stink about failure and losing and that became a thing that we “all” get labeled with. I don’t really even know many people who believe in that everyone gets a trophy nonsense. Who are they? LOL
Anyone else think that M13 is pacing around yelling at bats and Dobson flies that it’s the f-ing liberals? I warned y’all!!! LOL
There are a few different breakdowns for the different generation.
Harvard breaks it down into 20 year chunks because most people have the “next generation” when they are on average 20. SO they have 1945 – 1964 as Baby Boomers, 1965-1884 for Gen X(Baby Bust), 1985 – 2004 for Gen Y (Millennials/Echo Boomers) 2005-Current as Gen Z (iGen).
Apparently the Hippies didnt like being associated with the same generation as their parents so another group busted it up like this.
Depression Era —– see Mikey i told you they used Era in the generations before.
1912-1921
WW2 Era
1922-1927
Post War
1928-1945
Boomer part 1, Baby Boomers
1946-1954
Boomer part 2, Generation Jones
1955-1965
Gen X
1966-1976
Gen Y, Echo Boomers, Milennials, Gen Next
1977-1994
Gen Z, iGen
1995-2012
Gen Alpha
2013 – current.
Another site i found as a reference had an overlap group called Xennials which was from
1975-1985
They also wnt a little bit further back Mikey, but still didnt hit your “Era” groups
Lost Generation 1890-1915
Interbellum Generation 1901-1913
The Greatest Generation 1910-1924
The Silent Generation 1925-1945
Kind of like the draft, you have to have some kind of numerical order even though it’s not an exact science.
The movie ‘Born on the Fourth of July’ is a good example of the political and cultural change that was going on in the 1960’s. If you think about it, it was inevitable. You can’t enslave free will and not expect a revolution.
pheloniusphish says:
Ferret Legging?
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Trust me P-Phish…that is one competition I would win.
I saw Ferret Legging and thought to myself….is that what the kids are calling it these days….
You can look up what it means, but at least thinking cause at one point had three ferrets who lived with me that I had a “leg up” if you will. Pretty cool litlle creatures.
D, I grew up in an “era” lol, where getting my football helmet sized was some big old coach slamming a few on and off my head a few times to decide which one was right. I almost had my ears ripped off. The only trophy we got was actually winning. LOL
I have three generations for football…. no face mask, big thick bars but you only get 1 or two, and then thin bars but you get lots. Fingers get stuck in the latter and it hurts like a MFer
Seems there is an information war going on between Ian and Adam…
It doesn’t matter. Poor Colin is always about this and not simply playing QB.
This off-season’s round of ‘we won’t sign Kaep because of his kneeling, not because of collusion’ should thankfully be the last.
Tim Knight says:
April 12, 2018 at 2:48 pm
Anyone else think that M13 is pacing around yelling at bats and Dobson flies that it’s the f-ing liberals? I warned y’all!!! LOL
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But you should know that I actually get along with bats very well! Do you remember the pic I posted several years ago, showing me and a bat getting along? The funker was hiding in my kitchen sink and I tried to help it. Yes… I even kissed it.
Yes, that’s why I mentioned bats. It was a joke. But as you know good jokes always have a good amount of truth to them. 😉
I truly LOVE life! I don’t even have the capacity to kill another living being… UNLESS one is FUNKIN’ with me or mine. 😡
I’ve never been a ‘hunter’ and will never be one. I’d rather SHOOT pictures of wildlife than to SHOOT wildlife for sport.
Me too. I save bugs from my house before my wife and daughter kill them. 🙂
I don’t care what you call the current crop of people we’re growing, I can’t stand the overly PC, I can’t handle feelings, I identify as a Range Rover, wankers we’re producing and cultivating.
I am pro LBGT…and whatever other letters there are…, and I believe in equal rights for all, including the oh so terrifying and dreaded homosexuals, but some of this stuff has gotten ridiculous.
If you identify as a humpback whale, that is fantastic, congrats. I applaud you, but don’t get pissed at me if you look like a woman, and I call you ‘miss’ or ‘mrs’. Instead politely inform me you’d like be addressed as ‘Shamu’ or ‘Mr. Anderson’ or whatever, and I will try to accommodate you. Where I fall off is when people feel like you should know what is going on with them and act accordingly. Maybe government issued name tags, errr, no, bad idea…
Amendment #1
If you identify as a humpback whale! Don’t get pissed off when I harpoon your fat ass!
I guess then that person would truly know what it feels like to identify with a humpback whale, lol. I mean if a person REALLY wants to have the whale experience…
LMAO!!! Exactly!
My niece is a woman of color and a mixed race, oh my, European Jew and black with some other whatever like many of us. She’s a lesbian, has a love of her life, they have a puppy that is like their child, both liberal, socialist leanings and doing well as educated young women. As they have gotten older their radicalism isn’t really prominent anymore. They still believe in justice for all, which why anyone wouldn’t is beyond me, but they are just as domesticated and about family and friends as anyone else.
Sexual preferences are personal. Do heteros always talk publicly about what they like to do during sex? No! Nor do I want to hear it. Yeah I really want to know that Aunt Bee likes to tongue Uncle Charles’ balls while she tickles his anus. That’s a personal thing. LOL
I knew boys back in 2nd and 3rd grade that I witnessed as being more feminine than most of us other boys. When I found out they were gay in HS was I surprised? No! They didn’t choose this “behavior”, they were born with that “nature”. People need to get a clue and stop the hate. Why does any of this effect you?
“Yeah I really want to know that Aunt Bee likes to tongue Uncle Charles’ balls while she tickles his anus.”
LOL!
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 59s60 seconds ago
Nobody has a healthy conversation, debate anymore. What happened to our society? Why does social media require the shade/gotcha/calling you out moments? Why can’t people just have conversations, dialogue to understand one another?
I agree with Omar on this and it hits on what some of us are talking about today.
I’m glad I can still have discussions with my family and friends where we still pat each other on the back, hug, clink our glasses in cheers and say goodnight you SOB and get a reply “you too fuck-face” with laughs.
I agree too….but it would be different if over the years hadn’t learned what a pissy ant Omar is. You were there when he was so thrilled about he didn’t have to talk to us any more and could control his own Twitter Universe. Be careful what you wish for.
His statement here, not his hypocrisy over the years.
And agree…..but sorta of ironic that is came from him. Some respect for his football think, but he is the last person to complain about such. He is the bully.
Omar is part of the problem on this. He’s complaining about himself and doesn’t realize it. Lol.
Ok, Omar, so when someone calls you on some of your BS, you’ll take it responsibly and have a healthy conversation with that person? or will it be ‘BLOCKED!’
Cav — having met him in real life (even if not BFFs like Mike E)…..very timid person. Maybe twitter let him be the guy he wanted to be in that world. But not surprised he trouble with the backlash down the road either.
Like you said: Be careful what you wish for (Omar). Social media can be NASTY.
Why would and why should Colin stop kneeling? It doesn’t affect his play and it doesn’t affect the game. It’s only distracting if someone let’s it be.
Because no one will sign him if he doesn’t. No owner is going to hurt their bottom line on purpose. Does he want to play in the NFL or not? That is the real question.
Sounds like collusion to me
A lot of people don’t like it. That makes it distracting. Bad for business. Like it or not.
It shouldn’t be bad for business though. The detractors are the ones making a big deal where there isn’t one.
CavalierKong says:
April 12, 2018 at 3:26 pm
I am pro LBGT…
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All good. So if I show up on your doorstep dressed as Princess Leia in her ‘slave costume’, I’m going to assume you’ll take me in! Hell, why wouldn’t ya?! 😉
Lol, even though I don’t take in strays, if you look as good as she did, I’d probably consider it before my wife slammed the door in your face.
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GOOD ANSWER!!!
I guess I’m in two generations.
Baby Boomers are 1946-1964
Gen Xers are 1961-1981
Aren’t I special! 🙂
1965-1984 GenX
Generation X
Generation X, or Gen X, is the demographic cohort following the baby boomers and preceding the Millennials. There are no precise dates for when Generation X starts or ends. Wikipedia
Period: 1961 – 1981
We had this discussion awhile back and you said you qualified as Baby Boomer and because I’m so much younger being born in 1965 I’m GenX. LOL
Tim – Don’t you dare deny ME of being in two generations! Damn you, you dobsonfly!
I wont deny you your claims since they are pure fantasy…
Tim
Have you seen any word on Plawecki? He got drilled on his hand last night a 100MPH fastball
It’s just the beginning of the end. 😦
stangerx says:
April 12, 2018 at 3:09 pm
You can look up what it means, but at least thinking cause at one point had three ferrets who lived with me that I had a “leg up” if you will. Pretty cool litlle creatures.
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I cant remember if i had 2 or 3 at the same time, i have had a total of 4 but i cant remember if i had 3 of them at the same time, and yeah they are great fun. Unfortunately a lot of the breeder arent breeding out some of their health issues and they dont live very long.
They are cool little folks, but yeah not long life and are prone to cancer problems (two of my three went that way). Same time…..every time take a leak stare right into a pic of my boy Willy. Good friend — and smarter than most people have met.
Mike E is in the crustaceous generation
We played with Legos and Lincoln Logs, he played with dinosaur eggshells. LOL
You guys are jelly that you didn’t/couldn’t play with dinosaurs
Guilty!
SB7: How is it collusion for an owner to say “hmm, I don’t want to alienate x% of my fanbase and hurt my bottom line.”. Collusion would be if the owners got together and said “Let’s all not sign him for y reason.”
I honestly believe that each owner can look at Kaep and say to themselves the headache and cost to my business isn’t worth it, without having to consult other owners.
Honest question, do you think if a team signs Kaep and he keeps kneeling that it won’t piss off a significant portion of their fanbase?
On a philosophical level, I agree with you completely. I don’t care what he does, it doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. But as an owner of an NFL team, I wouldn’t touch him.
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Kong, Aunt Bee is really engaged in procreation there isn’t she? LOL
SB – The mob is fickle – The NFL realized that people are offended by the kneeling, and they got a lot of cancellations due to it. Some people like and empathize with the players, but too many didn’t, and hit the NFL in its wallet, and they don’t like that at all. Therefore, no team will take on Kaepernick if he wants to kneel, it’s the $$$, as it always is.
sb7mvp says:
April 12, 2018 at 3:59 pm
Mike E is in the crustaceous generation
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Era, Mikey’s generational map is done in Era’s.
Oh and Tim, Mikey’s generation created Legos when they accidentally stacked two stegosaurus’ together and found out they would get stuck like that.
LOL
A guy that in his last season of playing threw 16 TDs vs 4 interceptions can’t get a job in a QB starved league? Sounds fishy to me.
I think the Kaepernick situation is a simple one of job application. Sir how do you feel about . Im against it. Oh, well sir we will get back to you with our decision in 2 weeks (also know as sorry you didn’t get the job).
If a team basically wants to handle that in a different way, and you are insitant that you will continue doing it your own way you are limiting the teams that you re going to fit for. Im not going to argue the right or wrong of the kneeling that has been debated ad nauseam, but if its a point at which you get the job or you dont, you have to make your choice and that choice most certainly can end with “no longer interested”.
It is after all not discrimination, they arent telling him he cant get the job because he is anything outside his control (color, creed or sexual preference) and they arent even saying he cant protest, they are stipulating a policy of their team to take a different approach and he isnt interested in doing that.
Id liken it to a conduct policy that i have that anything i post online that represents my affiliation with my company has to represent the company well and by the policies and procedures i agree to during business hours. He is basically going to be on the clock and he is representing the team and affecting their business, etc. Its perfectly acceptable for them to ask him to not do that if he wishes to work for them.
The Seahawks know Kaep has a history of kneeling. They set up a workout for him but only after they set up a workout they think to ask if he changed his stance on kneeling. Yeah there is no collusion
Or maybe they set up the workout with that stipulation as a part of any agreement to sign, then cancelled it once they got his answer. Do we actually know the sequence of events from a couple of tweets?
I don’t know the exact sequence. I just know he had a workout set up and then it got canceled after he said he would still kneel. I also he has enough talent to be in the league. He may not be an elite QB that people thought he was going to be but he has enough talent to be on a roster
None of know the way events actually transpired. If there was collusion, you’d think the owners would hold a workout for the guy, then not sign him. I think it’s more transparent to say, we’re not even going to look at you if you continue to kneel.
As for his talent, that debate has been worked over many times. No mattter which side you are on, it isn’t debatable that he definitely isn’t elite, and it is debatable if he is even a starter as is evidenced by his inability to beat out Blaine Freaking Gabbert. If he was elite, he’d have a job regardless of his kneeling, but the risk to reward ratio doesn’t justify the hurt to the bottom line.
sb7mvp says:
April 12, 2018 at 4:17 pm
It’s collusion because he’s not getting a job for football reasons. These workouts are really just for show, to say there isn’t collusion. To make it look like they made an effort. They would have never asked him about the kneeling and then ended it after he said yes if they were being honest.
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To be collusion there has to be efforts to make sure he cant get a job in the NFl thats being done at the NFL corporate level or through all other owners to deny him access to the team for reasons outside of football.
If each individual team is making their decision for whatever reason they are making it, its not collusion. It would take a unified entity standing in his way to be collusion. If they find evidence of any sort of owners meeting where hiring him was discussed and agreed upon that none of them would hire him, or hell even if there was a group that banded together to ensure he would have no chance of being hired by them, then you could call it collusion. Right now its just a few teams that might have been interested but have chosen for their own reasons not to do it.
I would not put it past Goodell who is big enough dick to have said this guy has hurt our image and more importantly our wallets so let’s not give him a platform. Can I prove that? Well certainly not with direct evidence but there is some circumstantial evidence as noted above such as his talent level, this being a QB driven league and the strange workout no workout scenario. I know that doesn’t carry the day in court but I think Goodell is a big enough dick to do something like that
I’ve had many a night in the past….but this is amazing, especially for a guy his size. A whole lot of alcohol down the hatch.
“When Aldon Smith was arrested on April 6,…. Smith posted a blood alcohol content of .40 — five times the legal limit.”
It’s collusion because he’s not getting a job for football reasons. These workouts are really just for show, to say there isn’t collusion. To make it look like they made an effort. They would have never asked him about the kneeling and then ended it after he said yes if they were being honest.
Id agree with that if its something that can be proved.
MANY read too much into what I say…..
So now it’s our fault MF? Huh? Huh? maybe you say too much into what I read! HUH!??
LOL JBB
This is how Reese Cups are made right?
I don’t want to draft Shaquem Griffin. Not because it would leave us short handed. Because he has a Ghey ass haircut!
Boo
Ken says:
April 12, 2018 at 4:37 pm
I would not put it past Goodell who is big enough dick to have said this guy has hurt our image and more importantly our wallets so let’s not give him a platform. Can I prove that? Well certainly not with direct evidence but there is some circumstantial evidence as noted above such as his talent level, this being a QB driven league and the strange workout no workout scenario. I know that doesn’t carry the day in court but I think Goodell is a big enough dick to do something like that
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I think its part the circus that’s coming with him, and part because he isnt good enough to put a team anywhere that a lot of other players can put them. He also is a guy you have to re-work your team for and a lot of teams cant afford to make wholesale changes for a guy who at the end of the day isnt going to change the franchise.
I also dont put it past Goodell or the owners to do it, but i just havent seen anything so far that strong enough evidence, even if it were circumstantial to support it.
I think the talent level point is also subjective and therefore really not evidence. I dont see a good QB. I see a decent QB who is a system QB and someone that doesnt have enough refined QB skills that he elevates a team. I think Tanny is a better QB to be honest, he has a lot more touch on his passes, he has better ability to read a defense (even if Tanny isnt great, he’s better that way than Kaepernick) and he is more of a true pocket passer, which is what most teams need their QB to be (ie integratable into more systems). Kaepernick is a really good runner, and Seattle would have been a pretty good fit for him, but i definitely dont see a guy who makes a good backup, and he only makes a inconsistently good starter.
His last season he was playing really good football. Yes he lost his job but then he got it back and was playing really good football. A 4 to 1 TD to int ratio is pretty rare.
Sara Blackwell, the money grubbing Florida lawyer is representing both women……..
She stayed a whole other year on the team, but felt emotional and physical distress..??
Fuck you money grab! BS!
Ken says:
April 12, 2018 at 5:01 pm
His last season he was playing really good football. Yes he lost his job but then he got it back and was playing really good football. A 4 to 1 TD to int ratio is pretty rare.
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His TD to int ratio has always been good because with his its first read not open, then run. You arent going to get many int that way. The way i look at it is that he played most of a year and accounted for 16 TD. We would be livid if Tanny only got us 16TD.
The fact Seattle invited him and then backed out is iffy. It could be they didnt ask him if the kneeling was going continue and then realized they better ask him before they did that and it just happened it was after they invited him for a workout. That part seems most fishy to me, if anything is fishy. Still its hard to know for sure because maybe they was in on asking him to come in and they were planning at talking about it if they found themselves interested as a final hurdle but then they decided that they would just get it out of the way before they wasted any more time. Im not sure how it really went down, but if i were to feel iffy about something, that would be the part.
sb7, no owner has to hire poor Colin if they don’t want to. Matt Moore is still unemployed too.
Lol.
Employers look at what you post on FB to decide your character. Poor Colin says hey look at me on the biggest media platform there is. Just saying. No collusion needed. It’s an easy call.
Actually Colin said look at police brutality.
I know what his initial beef is. He took it further than that. People go to football games to have fun. Not to get into political debates. If that experience sours for whatever reason, that’s lost business. Not sure why people don’t understand that.
Poor Colin should become a political activist and live his life with his passion. Being an NFL QB is not that important to him. That’s why he’s not on a team.
Mike E. says:
April 12, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Oh, so I am the “me” generation. Should have known, it’s my initials.
I believe your generation is referred to as “Homo sapien-1”
I think probably when it comes to Kaep if individual owners don’t want to sign him in part based on the way he is viewed by some, I’m okay with that
I just think when you do that you may be turning your back in fans that support him – but I guess it’s easier to do that given the circumstances
But if the NFL is telling all owners to stay away from him, I don’t really love that. I think that’s a bigger deal than an owner not wanting to upset his fan base
I wouldn’t be surprised if that hasnt already happened, especially with Ray Rice. After his domestic abuse incident he disappeared without anyone giving him any tryouts. Now, there is a big difference between being a guy who commits domestic abuse and a guy who protests civilly, but its the same “black eye” pun not fully intended, on the NFL and potential loss of revenue due to player conduct, thats involved
In Kaeps case it’s politIcal but in Rice’s case it’s violence
I can see a team saying – I’m not going to sign ray rice bc of that video and the problems it will bring as well as him being at the end of his career
But In Kaeps case there are people that agree with him
The fanbase = market is saying that. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Remember how this country didn’t like John Lennon for his political leanings? It was bad for what the government was trying to do and what the majority of people believed in.
At one point Kaepernick was a star. John Lennon was one of the biggest stars ever. People get tired of it. Play football and make music, stop preaching.
D says:
April 12, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Ken says:
April 12, 2018 at 5:01 pm
His last season he was playing really good football. Yes he lost his job but then he got it back and was playing really good football. A 4 to 1 TD to int ratio is pretty rare.
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His TD to int ratio has always been good because with his its first read not open, then run. You arent going to get many int that way. The way i look at it is that he played most of a year and accounted for 16 TD. We would be livid if Tanny only got us 16TD.
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Yes but he played in only about 10 g
12 games. So you are averaging just barely over 1 a game which would still put him at about 18-20 if he played the whole season. Thats still low.
uhg! Kappercrap conversation again?
Nogtih all!
Freedom of speech and expression = freedom of criticism.
If you give the finger to someone on the road, then end up interviewing for a job with them, what’s your chances?
There is a reason ratings are down with awards shows. It’s not enough about the art anymore, it’s about preaching social and political issues. The majority of Americans are tired of it. Almost everyone I know is. That’s how a market works. Interest. Supply and Demand. If the people decide we’ve seen enough super hero movies, they won’t be made anymore. 😉
Mike E. says:
April 12, 2018 at 4:03 pm
SB – The mob is fickle…
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Mike E with the quote of the day, but at least nobody is saying we should have kept Landry at his price or feeling sorry for Omar. 🙂
Tim Knight says:
April 12, 2018 at 5:13 pm (Edit)
The fanbase = market is saying that. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Keep in mind, sponsors too. Companies that sponsor the NFL may not like a team that has Kaepernick and will drop their sponsorship of that team, or the NFL altogether.
Absolutely! Products and services. Do we like it?
Also, those who think it’s a knock against those who served and gave their lives and limbs etc. for this country. If you don’t see that you’re being ignorant. And there are a lot of them. Military and service is very much connected with football in this country. When they bail it’s a problem.
That is a very good point. Loss of sponsorship may actually be a bigger hit to the pocketbook than pissing off fans.
There is a report that Reid was grilled about kneeling by the Bengals owner too.
Out of curiosity for our lawyers: Can a team put a clause in an agreement about not kneeling?
Yes they can
Actually the NFL takes it even further. The NFL allows teams to set their team rules in a document that is given out to all the players on that team every year. It lays out everything that is a fine-able or suspend-able offense, etc. If the players violate it the team doesn’t even have to consult the NFL to suspend them without pay, up to a maximum of i think 4 games. We hit one of those last year with Timmons AWOL thing. So it doesnt have to be in the contract, it just has to be in the rule book for this coming year.
For what it’s worth, Ken, the only reason I don’t suspect collusion is because to me it just makes too much money-sense not to sign Kaep. So I don’t see the need for collusion. I have little doubt that Goodell and team owners can do and will do whatever they can to make more money. If it ever is proved they did collude on this subject, the only thing that would surprise me is they felt a need to.
I do think his activism is part of the reason he doesnt have a job, but i also dont think its the only reason. I think it boils down to choices, decisions that are made between this player and that player and and if Player A is goo and Player B is better but player A doesn’t come with as much baggage, that plays into the decision to choose player A over B. If Kaepernick was so good that he could change a teams trajectory, he’d be on that team. I feel pretty certain of that.
I also have not seen any evidence of collusion and collusion by nature takes planning and a good bit of behind the scenes shit that i dont see in this day and age being able to be kept quiet, so i just dont feel like there is any. If there is, and it comes out, then Kaepernick shouldn’t have to play football again to get paid by the NFL, the lawsuit will take care of that.
Completely agree. If he was Brady, Newton, or Rodgers he could do whatever the hell he wanted to, and still get signed.
Kaep can probably be signed on the cheap right now so I am not sure I get your point
I’m not talking about what it would cost to sign him, that isn’t even a factor. It’s about how much he would cost the team that signs him with pissed off fans and loss of sponsorship.
Why do teams, or the league in general, need to collude for each owner to say I want nothing to do with this headache and potential loss of profit? Again, if he was a bonafide starter or elite player, he’d be signed, but to deal with this headache for a marginal starter/backup doesn’t make sense.
Most of what we talk about with Colin Kaepernick is not about football. There’s your answer. Why would an NFL team have a middle of the road QB being the face of their franchise wearing friggin pro-Castro t-shirts? Time to move on.
EXACTLY, Tim. What’s more, he’s not coming to Miami… home of the Cuban refugees who fled Fidel’s totalitarian rule.
WONDERFUL WOMAN!!!
Interesting!
Why only 24 Charlie? There are 32 teams.
Again, Kaep is not the problem. It’s the people crying about him. Be an adult an let the man kneel. He’s not hurting anything or anybody.
How can the reaction not be directly related to the action?
^^^
He’s hurting BUSINE$$.
No he’s not.
Let him kneel with his turtle and live his life. Nobody wants him to be their QB. Boo hoo!!!!
OMG I absolutely love Dane Brugler’s draft (see above) for us. If it went exactly like that we would be a 20% better team right away. I pray it falls like that or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
1-Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech (6-4, 253, 4.54)
2-Hayden Hurst, TE, South Carolina (6-4, 250, 4.67)
3-Kerryon Johnson, RB, Auburn (5-11, 213, 4.52)
4a-Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech (6-3, 329, 5.24)
4b-Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (6-4, 215, 4.88)
6-Javon Wims, WR, Georgia (6-3, 215, 4.53)
7a-Eddy Pineiro, PK, Florida (6-0, 185, 4.84)
7b-John Franklin-Meyer DE, Stephen F. Austin, (6-4 283 4.75)
Yessir! Dane is one of the very best in the biz, man!
I’d be thrilled with that
Tim,
Do ya still listen to Mark Levin, man? I DO. I don’t want to make this political, just wondering if you still listen to Levin…
His libertarian views will always resonate with me because I agree with them. When you get personal it’s a decision.
Well you can nit-pick Brugler’s draft as in I have no idea who the last pick is but Brugler does do his homework and that guy on paper looks like a great developmental DE to bring along on the PS and then replace Fede when one of the old guys retires.
And you could tweak it with say Freeman instead of Kerryon at RB, but hey wasn’t Kerryon PotY in the SEC? Not too shabby.
Brugler:
“I did my best to incorporate team need, team interest (workouts, top-30, etc.), what I’m hearing and also draft/team trends.”
Cool
YUP! He’s a good dude, as well.
Wyo,
I never said the reaction isn’t related. I said the reaction was the problem and it is. If you want to continue to be blind to it that’s your choice but don’t complain that Kaepnis hurting business when he’s not. Its the people throwing a fit over something that doesn’t hurt them.
I respectfully disagree. And THAT is why he’s not been $igned: he’$ hurting bu$ine$$.
SB – You can’t absolve Kaepernick because you support him. He is the root cause of people not spending money on football. Not the consumer who choose not to spend it because they are offended in some way. There is no reaction without the action.
I had club level season seats last year. I didn’t renew because of players kneeling. Not necessarily because they were kneeling during the anthem…although it’s pretty stupid and more about getting attention for themselves than building support when they do something that they know will just piss off a lot of people…., but more because the cause was and is bullshit. What they are kneeling for is that they want society to accept bad behavior. Criminals who resist arrest violently tend to get shot. So if you are going to be a criminal, don’t get caught. If you get caught, don’t resist arrest. There are bad cops (the one in SC that was just convicted comes to mind), but very few of them are out looking to kill someone, especially for the color of his skin.
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Soooooooooo, how about those Miami Dolphins?
isn’t there something called the NFL draft coming up in 13 days?
Lol…good plan Rock.
SB
I was listening to NFL radio this morning on my drive to work, and I think Ross Tucker put it very well, maybe the best viewpoint anyone has brought up. What he said was it’s not the message Kaepernick is trying to get across, he has some valid points, but that he is not the ideal ambassador to push the issue. I think he has a great point there. The fact that he wore the “pig” socks, the Castro shirt just make him a reviled figure and not a reviled respected one. Someone who was better spoken and more knowledgeable on the subjects of what he’s protesting, and better able to carry the message would be a better choice. Tucker brought up Malcolm Jenkins, and I thought of Kenny Stills. The message isn’t the problem, it’s how you choose to push the message across and who was pushing it across that’s the problem.
Yes, Stills has taken the time to study the problem from both sides and work at solutions, rather than apportion blame.
Phelon – I think of MLK, and how charismatic, intelligent and captivating he was when he spoke. Kaepernick just comes across like a jerk. He’s inflammatory instead of engaging. You have to respected to get the message across, and I don’t think people respect Kaep.
Mike E,
Great points. I’d respect the message much, much more if the discussion was allowing to deviate further into why these communities continue to push out criminals and why what we are doing isn’t working. My brother was a Richmond, VA cop and he says the job has gotten at least 10 times harder and the same terrible pay. My nephew was a cop…for 6 months. These people protect us and the law. They deal with massive disrespect and danger frequently. Yet, the criminals didn’t do nothing wrong. Just came from a bad background! They can’t help themselves. That side of the equation gets way too much of a pass today. Follow the law. Cops don’t have time to just walk around harassing people. Unless you make it a priority to them. Unless you have a history of being a problem.
On to football, that Brugler draft looks like a fans lol. I’d be estatic if we landed that haul. Great set of players that I just can’t see lasting that long in some instances. I almost dread the draft because the long summer comes right after lol.
I think the most intriguing part of this year’s draft is what do the Giants do at 2? They could take their QB of the future, they could take Chubb as the replacement for JPP or if they think they still have a window with Manning they take Barkley and give them a featured back to balance out the offense. I think what the Giants do at 2 is going to have a big impact on whether or not one of the top 4 QBs slides to a spot where we may have a chance of getting one.
I agree to a point but if they don’t want QB, I believe that Buff, or someone tries to get that pick.
If I am the Giants I am not trading with Buffalo. Big difference at what is available between 2 and 12
Yeah, Giants and Broncos both have a pretty big impact. Both may take QB’s, or neither might. That changes drastically what happens the rest of the 1st RD
If the draft breaks the way I think it will then I have a hard time seeing the Broncos passing on Quenton Nelson
Every time I see a mock draft with us taking Vita Vea at #11 I get so angry, especially when either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds, or even Josh Allen is still on the board. I will absolutely hate that pick. I really hope we don’t go that way.
1 or 2 of the QB’s in this draft will be “good” starters. the rest will be mediocre or worse. that is the track record. The 1 or 2 aren’t even guaranteed to come from the “top 4” Shit Luke Falk could be the “one” or it could be Tanner Lee or Mike White…no one knows.
Wilson has had the most success of all the 2012 QB’s taken.
Please Buffalo reach for one of these QB’s. PLEASE NY reach for one of these QB’s.
I really like Brugler’s draft above as well. Swap out Goedert of Hurst and it would be better.
11: R1P11 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS, VIRGINIA TECH
42: R2P10 TE DALLAS GOEDERT, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
73: R3P9 C FRANK RAGNOW, ARKANSAS
123: R4P23 QB LUKE FALK, WASHINGTON STATE
131: R4P31 DL RJ MCINTOSH, MIAMI
209: R6P35 RB JUSTIN JACKSON, NORTHWESTERN
227: R7P9 OT COLE MADISON, WASHINGTON STATE
229: R7P11 LB CHRISTIAN SAM, ARIZONA STATE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbAUdNJ77qk
I couldn’t ask for a better draft. There’s changes coming to the current personell on D that may make drafting an LB at 11 a luxury pick, but just get me a difference maker at 11.
Forget all the meaningless stats, we need someone that can make a play on 3rd down and when the game is on the line. Edmonds may be that guy.
I like this one better than Butler’s, except you forgot the most important position😉
Brugler’s
Full Back?
We are now under two weeks away from the draft.
Mike E. says:
April 13, 2018 at 8:13 am
SB
I was listening to NFL radio this morning on my drive to work, and I think Ross Tucker put it very well, maybe the best viewpoint anyone has brought up. What he said was it’s not the message Kaepernick is trying to get across, he has some valid points, but that he is not the ideal ambassador to push the issue. I think he has a great point there. The fact that he wore the “pig” socks, the Castro shirt just make him a reviled figure and not a reviled respected one. Someone who was better spoken and more knowledgeable on the subjects of what he’s protesting, and better able to carry the message would be a better choice. Tucker brought up Malcolm Jenkins, and I thought of Kenny Stills. The message isn’t the problem, it’s how you choose to push the message across and who was pushing it across that’s the problem.
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This is how i have felt for a while on the subject. The cause, i support, the people who are taking things to the next level and making it about the cause and not them kneeling have my support, but Kaepernick was and is a bade role model for activisim and this cause because his intagative tactics make everyone feel this is about him, and this is about him getting attention drawn to him, and not about finding a place of harmony, but rather shifting the focus of hate from the cops actions to the cops themselves. Why bounce hate around when you can do something about getting rid of it.
Kaepernick to me isnt a good enough player to justify the media circus around him, agree with it or not, think it hurts your business or dont, its just a distraction. If a player can win games though, you will find a lot of these hypocrites turning around and getting behind him, at least as a player, but he isnt that guy. He isn’t going to turn a failed franchise around. He isnt going to elevate a somewhat successful one to the next level, and these are the hard facts about him as a potential starter or backup for a team. He isn’t good enough to offset what you have to put up with to have him.
I completely support some of these other players who are protesting and then taking it off the field to do real good and to make a difference in the world. The kneeling was to draw attention to the need for change, the kneeling isnt the change itself. Those that dont get this arent in it for the right reasons and Kaepernick is one of those guys. I whole heartedly believe that had this activism been started by some of these other guys with their hearts in the right spot, this message still gets acorss and i think with less feelings of resentment by the large majority of those who currently resent it. Thats not to say everyone would have been happier, but i think there were moderates on the subject who were put off by Kaepernicks actions and it turned them cold towards this subject. I know it did for me, and it took Stills and a few others to join in and start showing their intentions for me to soften my heart to the subject.
Yeah D, I think a lot of people got turned off to the message way too fast because of how Kaepernick came across. It’s a shame really, because he’s right that things need to change, and guys like Stills who are working hard by meeting with community leaders and police to invoke this change is great. I guess the good thing is Kaepernick did get the ball rolling, now they just need to find a better person to take over and keep the ball rolling.
Kaepernick is more Jesse Jackson, and Stills is more MLK is kind of how i see it, though i feel guilty giving anyone the MLK designation since he was a truly unique and special person with conviction stronger than i have rarely seen in any others.
You heart is drawn to support people like MLK, well as long as you are a person that will listen to it. The same people are turned off by Jackson and his rhetoric.
Wow D! In what universe is Kaep like Jackson and Stills like MLK?
😉
I think it will only be clear if we did or did not feel the need to take a QB this year lol. I dont see how it predicts anything past that. Too many other factors involved with what the future holds for us.
That picture will send some on the board into a tail spin! 😉
Also, in business it doesn’t matter where the true source of the loss of business is, whether the people are making a conscience decision to not buy things and the protesters and they could still buy things if they wanted by just ignoring the kneeling, the ultimate at is it is causing those people to do that. There are a bunch of reasons people boycott products in order to influence the company to make changes they want, and it doesn’t matter the legitimacy of their claims, what matters is the bottom line. If that’s affected, business react.
Whats im saying is SB7, your comments are spot on, but it doesn’t matter, it IS affecting business, and there IS a loss of revenue, and despite the source the way to correct it is to control the factors you can, and in this case the kneeling is a fact they can control through conduct policies, team rule-books, etc. They cant control the other side and force people to pay for things they dont want to, so they give them what they are asking for to get the situation straightened back out.
Im not trying to argue the right or wrong of this, im closer to how you feel than not, but business and capitalism is what it is and it dictates things through money not always through right and wrong.
The players have a right as US citizens to kneel, but their employers also have a right to fire them based on conduct detrimental to the business. So Kaep has no legal stance.
I came on to make a comment about the draft… decided to scroll and read… noticed that others are getting the same gut feeling:
Desperation is gonna leave a couple teams “RGIII’d or Sanchez’d”… one good year, then injury/butt-fumbled.
As important as QB is… I don’t want Fins to be one of those ‘gamblers’ and let a future pro-bowler drop to us at #11 at ANY position.
If one of those 4 QBs is available (and both LBers we like are gone)… perhaps Cards would want to jump in front of Buffalo. What is the cost for Cards to go from 15 to 11, and who might be the BPA at #15?
There is 0 chance i would trade back, i can definately see staying put and not trading up but trading back to me is pointless when we can get a great player at 11.
CB DENZEL WARD
OT MIKE MCGLINCHEY
OT CONNOR WILLIAMS
G ISAIAH WYNN
DL MAURICE HURST
RB DERRIUS GUICE
CB JOSH JACKSON
If we thought we could get Jackson at 15, for sure, then I think trading back is ok.
What I really would like to know is what would Cards have to give up to move up 4 spots? I think there is a ton of talent between 15th and 45th picks, and the more picks we could get in that range the more talent/depth we can get.
D – Spot on with Jesse Jackson, or even more so with Al Sharpton. Can’t listen to that guy for a second, and personally, I think he looks for trouble more than helping any cause.
One guy kneels and can’t speak, the other is a crowd inciter, but speaks very well. Where’s the comparison?
There were a lot of responses to me last night that don’t have anything to do with what I’m talking about. I agree that he hasn’t been a great ambassador for his cause or his message, but he has done more than just kneel. He’s been willing to engage in respectful dialogue with people and change accordingly. If you remember, at the beginning he was just sitting on the bench, then he met with member of the armed forces and came to a compromise of kneeling. He’s also met with other groups and donated money so to say he’s not doing anything other than being a jerk isn’t a fair assessment. He’s kind of stuck with the kneeling thing at this point because he’s getting bad counsel. He could come out and say that he initially began to sit/ kneel to bring awareness and create discussion and that has been achieved and that now it’s time to move into another level of action. I also don’t agree with the movement he’s associated with. None of these things aren’t my talking points.
My point is that Kaep has no control over how people respond to his actions. He’s not responsible for them, so if people are boycotting and causing a business to fail it is on them. If the media is constantly reporting on it, it’s on the media. If people are talking about it on blogs, that’s their decision. Kaep isn’t forcing anyone to do anything. A woman wearing a skirt at night is not responsible for being assaulted. A disobedient or crying child is not responsible for a parent abusing them, and a football player kneeling during a part of the game that no one cares about or bothers to watch is not responsible for someone who acts like a child and decides to bully his employer.
The reaction to Kaep is not an equal or appropriate reaction. Neither is a cop shooting a person for “resisting arrest”. Resisting arrest is not a death sentence, but again, this has nothing to do with my point. It’s a completely different conversation. Kaep is not responsible for the actions of others and he’s not doing anything that requires anything other than someone disagreeing with him or calling him stupid. You can disagree, but what I said is a fact. People are responsible for their own actions.
All that may be true, but in business you can’t do whatever the hell you want. It’s not the right way of doing it. You don’t use your work as an outlet for such a thing. Why is this any different from people apposed to the N word?