At the moment of this writing, the Dolphins have 6 tight ends on the roster, but realistically, at most we will carry 4, and even more likely 3. The two guaranteed to stick are the most recent draftees, 2nd RD pick Mike Gesicki and 4th RD pick Durham Smythe. After Gesicki and Smythe, the coaches seem to really like A.J. Derby who was picked up last season after DEN waived him. There is also 5 YR veteran MarQueis Gray, and recent pickup Gavin Escobar who played for the Cowboys for 4 seasons. Also still hanging around is Thomas Duarte, Dolphins 2016 7th RD draft pick. We have better depth at TE than any time in recent memory, and this should be a fun battle to see play out because the 3rd and possibly 4th spots should be really competitive.
Mike Gesicki TE – 6’6″ 250
2018 2nd RD pick, Gesicki is the kind of athletic receiving threat many fans have been craving for more than a decade. 4.54 speed, 41.5″ vertical, 6.76 3 cone, this guy is a fast, agile, explosive athlete. He will be in a tough battle for playing time with his fellow draftee Durham Smythe, because what Gesicki lacks in blocking skills, Smythe has in spades. Gesicki has made it clear he is willing to block and learn how to, and wants to become a more rounded NFL TE.
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Durham Smythe TE – 6’5″ 253
2018 4th RD pick, Smythe was a big part of the success of the run game at Notre Dame. Known for his excellent blocking, toughness and tenacity, he truly helped propel the Irish’s running game. Seldom used as a receiver, just 28 receptions and 244 yards and 6 TD’s in 4 seasons, he definitely has value as a receiver too. Smythe’s blocking skills should enable him playing time as an inline TE and also as a 2nd TE.
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A.J. Derby TE – 6’4″ 255
Derby is a former 6th RD pick of the New England Patriots who was eventually cut by NE and picked up by the Denver Broncos. In 2016 Derby caught 16 passes for 160 yards with the Broncos. Derby played only one season at TE for Arkansas, so he came into the NFL pretty inexperienced. He has good speed, running the 40 in 4.67 at his pro day. In DEN in 2017, Derby caught 19 passes for 228 yards and 2 TD’s. For the Dolphins, Derby appeared in 9 games, catching 2 passes for 20 yards. Not a huge body of work for the soon to be 27 year old TE, either in college or the pros, but the coaches here see potential, although he will have to realize some of that potential in TC and preseason games to stick here.
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MarQeuis Gray TE – 6’4″ 263
Gray has spent the last 2 seasons here in Miami, but has played for Cleveland, Tampa, Buffalo and Minnesota. In 2014, Gray made his NFL tour having a cup of coffee with the Bucs, Vikes and finally settling in with the Bills. The Dolphins picked him up in 2016 and has played appeared in all 32 games, with 7 starts. As a Dolphin, Gray has 15 receptions for 184 yards. Gray has lined up as a 2nd TE and also H-back/FB, and has shown decent blocking ability.
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Gavin Escobar TE – 6’6″ 260
Escobar played 5 seasons for the Cowboys and although he didn’t get a ton of opportunities, he certainly made the most of them. Escobar caught a total of 30 passes for 333 yards and 8 TD’s. Not a blocker, he’s definitely a receiving TE. Escobar has long arms and big hands, and despite the fact he doesn’t have good speed, he has good reliable hands and with 8 TD’s in only 30 receptions, he makes them count. I think Escobar and Derby are will be in a tight competition to claim what may be the last 1 or 2 posts on the roster at TE.
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Thomas Duarte TE – 6’2″ 244
Duarte has spent the last 2 seasons on the PS after being drafted in the 7th RD of the 2016 NFL draft by the Dolphins. Duarte was a WR at UCLA who has bulked up with the hopes of being a move TE in the NFL. Not a blocker, but a smooth, athletic route runner who really came on his senior season at UCLA, catching 53 passes for 872 yards and 10 TD’s. The Dolphins like Duarte, they have kept him around for 2 seasons on the PS, and I think his best bet to remain with the team would most likely be in that capacity again. He will have a hard time beating out veterans Escobar and Derby, but a very strong showing could give him an outside shot.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Guess I lived a sheltered life. Have only drank alcohol and smoked weed about 3 times. I never even took my codeine after I got my wisdom teeth out. LOL
I did masturbate to Farrah’s poster though. Yes I had one as well even though I liked Jaqueline more.
TMI
Happy Father’s day to all! Enjoy your day
Ditto!
Man you couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried. He’s frick’n 34 and played for years in the NFL.
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Former NFL tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. was arrested on Thursday and faces charges of kidnapping and rape. He is being charged with nine counts, which include two counts of kidnapping with the intent to commit rape, two counts of rape, one count of forcible sodomy and two counts of residential burglary. He faces life in prison if convicted.
Winslow Jr. targeted older women in his assaults, allegedly kidnapping 54 and 59-year-old women.
Yeah, sick dude. I think rapist should be hung.
By their nuts
Over a pit of alligators.
Disgusting!
Everyone must be busy celebrating the made up holiday.
They are all made up. Like you need a specific day to tell someone you love them. But you got to keep up with the Jones’. LOL
Tru day
If Brady is talking retirement he might as well be retired. This will be his last year, and when he leaves the big cheat aka belicheat will go too.
My thought too, but not this year. Clock is ticking though. Evil Genius sticks though, whether with the Pats or another team. His last day coaching will come with a stretcher out of the office involved.
Without Brady, Evil Genius is just another .500 coach who got fired at Cleveland. Not sure if Belicheat stays after Tom-Boy retires.
Happy Father’s Day to all you Dad’s.
Happy Father’s Day to all you Dads on here. I hope you’ve had a wonderful day.
I HAD an absolutely stellar Father’s Day, thank you! Calls from the kids, Father’s Day cards, and Mrs. OD took me out for a steak dinner. Got to do some outdoor work (which I enjoy) before the temperature topped 90 plus some indoor work, too. Watched a bit of the U.S. Open on TV and noticed a guy from my old stomping grounds (West Palm Beach’s Brooks Koepka) won his 2nd consecutive U.S. Open title. Thought about my Dad and the role he played in World War II as a gunnery sergeant. Without people like him, we all might be goose-stepping today instead of enjoying our freedoms.
HOPE every Dad on this site had a terrific Dad’s Day!
olddolphan says:
June 18, 2018 at 8:05 am
Without Brady, Evil Genius is just another .500 coach
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i think you may have that backwards.
I agree, and I think if Brady had been drafted by anyone else he might not even have been as starter.
on the us open, i thought the course on saturday was great, it really had my interest, then the usga gave in to some of the cry babies like mickelson and zack johnson drenched the greens and cut the holes in easy places, made for a boring final round. one guy went from shooting mid 70s to 63 on sunday.
i don’t want to watch golf when the leader is 20 under, it’s way too boring.
these guys have the greatest and latest clubs, technology is over the top why not give the course some teeth?
Saturday was the best round of golf i had seen on tv in a while, and it wasn’t even the final rnd.
So you like to see them squirm Luke the rest of us😁
Hell yeah!
The national media, agenda driven as they are, have us as 1 of the 10 losers from mini camp, because if RT goes down… and says there’s big concern about the OL, Tunsil and James especially, because Omar and Chris Perkins said so.
The Colts though are a winner, because, you guessed it, Luck through a pass.
I actually like be on the down side of the into the season media frenzy. Would much rather be underrated than overrated and team is the same either way. Would be different if the reason for getting the thumbs down was like when Tanny went down last year.
I read that article. It was ridiculous.
What article was that?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/20-biggest-winners-and-losers-from-nfl-minicamps/ss-AAyN7II#image=3
It’s like Steve said. The Dolphins are losers and Luck is a big winner because he threw a football.
We’re losers because of our oline. HTF do you evaluate an offensive line before the pads come on? F*cking stupid
so i he going to change his twitter handle? Because I THINK I See 12 on the list of retired numbers in miami. I THINK I SEE 12 on the ring of honor and nowhere else on the team.
Yeah he’s wearing #15 now.
IThinkIsee15??
#15 Davone Bess
This game earned his jersey a spot in my closet!
And may have been the reason belicheat sent Cooks packing.
We actually got 4 votes out of 22, to be a playoff team this year, from ESPN.
Think it’d be pretty cool if Brady (this year)
We’re to do to the Pats,
What Ricky did to us a few weeks before the o4 opener!!!
“””Celebrate good times, c’Mon, it’d be a celebration””” for all not of NE!!!
steveccnv says:
June 18, 2018 at 11:14 am
The national media, agenda driven as they are, have us as 1 of the 10 losers from mini camp, because if RT goes down…
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If that does happen…I like Fales as the back-up…I’m not sure how much we lose if any from the QB position with Fales taking over, he’s a lot better option than Moore was.
How the heck are you assessing Fales being so much better than Moore, and not much if any of a drop off from Tanny?
From reports out of OTAs and Mini camps?
Or from his whopping 3 games played with 31 passes thrown and his 16.2 QBR?
From the games he played last season against Buffalo and other games he filled in and preseason, not to mention camp reports of him taking 2nd team snaps over the other 2 back-ups.
He looked pretty good against Buffalo last year.
Rockphin says:
June 18, 2018 at 1:43 pm
so i he going to change his twitter handle? Because I THINK I See 12 on the list of retired numbers in miami. I THINK I SEE 12 on the ring of honor and nowhere else on the team.
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#12 was that Garo Yeprmian?…………………
What?
Garo was #1
Kong, that was pretty weak cherry picked stuff for all teams, not just the Phins. Worthless report. LOL
Exactly, ridiculous article.
Wow just looked up Garo Yepremian on Wiki, I didn’t know he died..
May 15th 2015 from neuroendocrine cancer
Over the weekend heard a national football guy (forget which) give a brief take on the Phins. He acknowledged that some might think the Minkah pick strange since we have Jones and TJ, but insisted that the “3 safety look is where a number of teams are heading” and said makes all the sense in the world.
Kong, I think Moore was to light and small, he couldn’t see over the OL, when he got hit it looked as if he was shot out of a canon, didn’t think he had a strong arm and most the time he was running for his life. I don’t think there’s any question that False is much better than Moore
Matt Moore is bigger than Fales.
he certainly doesn’t play bigger, he plays very frail and small IMO, I thought he was 5’9″ 150lbs… I looked it up… he’s 6’3″ 219, I was shocked at his size!
Fales looked much better last year
lol, Moore is an inch taller, and 5 lbs heavier.
How can you say ‘I don’t think there is any question’ when you’re comparing a guy with a career to a guy that has played one game? There is a question. Fales has some promise and very well may end up a better back up than Moore, but to anoint him that, and say there may be little to no drop off from Tanny as well is jumping the gun.
We’ve got one game he had a QBR of 16.2 (to be fair his other rating was 82), led his team to 16 points, mostly when the game was over (13 in the 4th) and some good reports out of camp before the pads have come on. That’s it, lol.
His stats are too limited to assess his skills, i rely on the Eye Test, I watched the guy with great interest last year and the way he dropped back and the way he ran the offense i was impressed.
then the reports from training camp maybe has confirmed that he is pretty good.
I believe one of the priorities this year was to add depth at every position and i think they did that with the QB position as well so I don’t see much of a drop off in the unthinkable happens
JMO
And to be fair, I do know you said it was your opinion of him. you didn’t state it as fact.
lol, cheers.
Moore aged 10 yrs last year.
I agree he looked like he hit an age wall last year. Looked sluggish and not as sharp as in previous seasons. Probably why he’s still not on a team.
I hope Fales can be a good back-up that we never have to see play..LOL
I hope we don’t have to see what life is like with Fales starting at QB this year. Right off the bat, it’s hard to trust a guy with a name like that. It’s like drafting a QB named Jonathon Picksix or a RB named Todd Looseballs.
Not good.
Think both those guys first name is joe
Never heard of that Jonathan or Todd guy 😏
Piksix & Looseballs..
Are they of British decent??
Toba,
I saw your post way up the page. I am looking for tickets and should have no problem getting some, thanks for asking.
Mike Gesicki signed his contract today so all draft picks are signed.
Just file Rob’s size assessment with his QB & RB assessments. They are as accurate
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it’s the eye test, for being 6’3 and 220lbs he plays like a pusswah!
No number 12 was a quarterback of middling skill and efficiency that was lucky enough to play in an era where he could excel and win the Super Bowl
Garo wasn’t a qb!
Backup QB is always the favorite of skeptics “”we want so & so””
This year such pessimist could cheer for the starter as well as the BU with one singular chant…
“”We want THill to Fales””
What can I say?
I’m easily ammused!!
GOFINS, ONE & ALL !!!
Fales won’t succeed THill anytime soon
(pre-the unmentionable),
or THill contract guaranteed $$ experation
GOFINS!!!
Coming off knee surgery you never know what can happen, he had surgery 10 months ago, it takes 12 months to heal, not sure if he should be doing anything at this point.
Do we only have 3 preseason games this year?
ocalarob says:
June 18, 2018 at 7:50 pm
it’s the eye test, for being 6’3 and 220lbs he plays like a pusswah!
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I was going to mention your “eye test” but I couldn’t get this to post before.
You know I play right Rob?
Play what? the skin flute??
I don’t get the joke with Garo Yepremian Rob.
I just never liked Bob Greese
Griese was an in field offensive coordinator calling his own plays study his career and you’ll understand why he’s in the hall and why his number is retired.
For any of you here, especially here, to not know who 12 is beyond understanding or comprehension. Step your game up.
Earl Morral Csonka and kiick lead us to those superbowls
12 completed 8 of 12 in Perfect Season SB,
pretty good QBR 😜
Huh…. I can’t find the Dolphins first week of preseason on most schedules if you google it.
Week 1: vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Week 2: at Carolina Panthers
Week 3: vs. Baltimore Ravens
Week 4: at Atlanta Falcons
I think this is the first time in my memory that we play Balt in the preseason. I like that we play them the “dress rehearsal” game. They have been our nemesis when it comes to the playoffs for years.
serious Rock, you are over bearing in your protection of Tannehill, I’m just not quite sure what the hell Tannehill has done to warrant such backing?
It’s like you’re oblivious to the facts and want to show meaningless stats to prove your point.
The man has never took a playoff snap after 7 years in the league.
Don’t you think that’s not good?
how can you not only defend him but think he’s a hall of famer?
I don’t think he’s a hall of fame QB. I’ve never said he was great. I defend him because there are irrational people who hate on him like he is a bad QB. He is not. He is an average to above average QB who has shown dedication and improvement year after year on his weaknesses.
As if have pointed out, statistically he is on track to be in the elite group of QB’s if his trajectory continues. The “Great” QB’s weren’t great when they started. Or at least very few of them were. Go back and research any of them.
I’ll tell you what. We’ll continue this conversation in December and one or the other of us can say damn, you were right.
Not one of the greats,
But Rich Gannon couldn’t even lock down the starters spot no matter where he was
Until his 10th year where he won a SB under Gruden/Raiders!!!
Philly/Randall Cunningham went to the playoffs 11 consecutive years via Andy Reid and couldn’t get a SB trophy!!!
It’s all about right place, right time!!!
Time & Place via Gase is coming soon for THill!!!
GOFINS!!!
McNabb NOT Cunningham!!!
PS Rock, totally agree with your 8:36
Pot kettle
Is this an auto biography
did is start “I was born a poor black child”? no? then it’s not.
U forgot bastard in your bio opening
I didnt respond to you Rock.
AFTER THills “”6″”, NOT 7 years,
“””never seeing a playoff snap can be said about most!!
And actually he started every game for his first 4 & 3/4ths years…
That 5th incomplete year and the playoffs that year was his doing under Gase year one!!! He didn’t take a playoff snap but we wouldn’t have got there minus what he did the first 3/4ths of o16!!!
Minus the injury, he’d have had that playoff snap in year 5 (post however many OC’s, Schemes, exclusions from game planning)!!!
And did so in his first year under Gase/new OC/scheme!!!!
And o17 would have likely been very similar, (if not for o16 injury)…
With that year at Gase’ side,
He’s farther along mentally than ever before!!!
Healthy, with this OL, and weaponry, he’s gonna shred in o18!!!
GOFINS!!!
Wins is a team stat not a QB stat. The great Don Shula and Dan Marino could never win enough.
I know someone posted earlier that Giseki signed!
But we’ve signed them all now!
Wyoming, you just posted a tweet that spelled GESICKI’s name correctly! LOL
😀
😉
Rockphin says:
June 18, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Wins is a team stat not a QB stat. The great Don Shula and Dan Marino could never win enough.
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But can’t you see the difference in Dan Marino vs Ryan Tannehill?? Marino lit the stadium up day 1, Marino was a regular in the playoffs year after year.
If you did not do your job Marino was in your face!
I don’t see the same intensity with Tannehill, he’s too passive IMO
Marino/Shula finished third or worse in 6 of their 13 years together!!!
Stop with the bs stats. The Fact is they are both the GOAT…..
If you’re talking to me, that’s not BS,
And I agree they are both the GOAT from my POV
EVEN THOUGH!!!
You guys got a lot of nerve calling Dan Marino and Don Shula a damn Goat!
GOAT
Greatest
Of
All
Time
!!!
GOFINS!!!
I haven’t given up on Tannehill as yet but if he continues status quo we should be looking to get someone else in there.
Rob, of course I can see the difference between them.
13kvFINS says:
June 18, 2018 at 9:32 pm
U forgot bastard in your bio opening
I actually have my fathers’ last name. So technically I am a son of a bitch not a bastard. LOL
I knew you’d get it, 😝 LOL!!!
Dan Marino’s record 86 – 91 I guess he sucked during this period of time?
8-8
7-5
6-10
8-8
12-4
8-8
He only had 10 wins or more 6 out of his 17 years. Wins are not a QB stat.
Nothing is worse than his record and of course lack of a championship for the greatest passer of all time. It’s a shame. Such is why it’s the ultimate team sport.
AFTER THills “”6″”, NOT 7 years,
“””never seeing a playoff snap can be said about most!!
And actually he started every game for his first 4 & 3/4ths years…
That 5th incomplete year and the playoffs that year was his doing under Gase year one!!! He didn’t take a playoff snap but we wouldn’t have got there minus what he did the first 3/4ths of o16!!!
Minus the injury, he’d have had that playoff snap in year 5 (post however many OC’s, Schemes, exclusions from game planning)!!!
And did so in his first year under Gase/new OC/scheme!!!!
And o17 would have likely been very similar, (if not for o16 injury)…
With that year at Gase’ side,
He’s farther along mentally than ever before!!!
Healthy, with this OL, and weaponry, he’s gonna shred in o18!!!
GOFINS!!!
Opps
The only thing I am listening to coming out of the OTAs is all the chatter about RT17 taking what seems to be that next leadership step.
He has done nothing but work hard every year to improve in certain areas. He seemingly has improved the long ball, even the braided coconut has said his pocket presence looks improved, and now that leader thing everyone harps on.
I’m in full optimism mode concerning his play this year.
GO PHINS
Rockphin says:
June 18, 2018 at 10:15 pm
Dan Marino’s record 86 – 91 I guess he sucked during this period of time?
8-8
7-5
6-10
8-8
12-4
8-8
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cherry picker, does that make you feel better about your agenda?
ElephantRider says:
June 18, 2018 at 11:55 pm
The only thing I am listening to coming out of the OTAs is all the chatter about RT17 taking what seems to be that next leadership step.
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he’s the MVP of OTA’s
Marino made the playoffs in 90, lets look at what you forgot to mention.
83 12-4 playoffs
84 14-2 SB
85 12-4 afc champ game
92 11-5 afc champ game
93 9-7 did not play
94 10-6 playoffs
95 9-7 playoffs
96 8-8 DNQ
97 9-7 playoffs
98 10-6 playoffs
99 9-7 playoffs
Any questions???
Yes, why was he not good enough to win more than 9 games in 11 of his 17 seasons? I am just using your scale I am not cherry picking. By your Reckoning Dan Marino wasn’t good enough to win more than 9 games most of his career.
By my Reckoning wins and losses are not a quarterback stat
Marino had a career avg win loss record of 60 percent, that’s avging 9.6 wins per season over 17 years! tannehills win loss record is 48 percent that;s an avg of 7.6 games per year over 7 years ,
a losing record
I cannot remember how many times Dan Marino would drive the team down the field in the closing minutes of the game to put the Dolphins ahead only to have the opposing quarterback do the same thing with no time left and when the game how many games did he win 40-something to 40 something?
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT WINS NOT BEING A QB STAT?
Rock quit cherry picking, you’re making yourself out to be the fool 😉
More talk about Brady retiring. Once we kick their ass in NE early in the season, leaving them 1-3, the game will no longer be fun for him, and he’ll announce its his last year.
It will be forever known as the “Minkah effect”
Rockphin says:
June 19, 2018 at 6:10 am
By my Reckoning wins and losses are not a quarterback stat
Rockphin says:
June 19, 2018 at 6:17 am
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT WINS NOT BEING A QB STAT?
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you see, that’s where you’re wrong!
Every year out of 12 teams that make the playoffs 80 percent of that teams QB is in the top 10 in QB rating. out of 32 QBs hardly do you ever see a QBs team get into the playoffs that is in the bottom 16.
So how the QB plays has a direct relation on wins and losses.
It’s the most important position on the field.
You should write this down so you don’t forget
Rockphin says:
June 19, 2018 at 6:10 am
By your Reckoning Dan Marino wasn’t good enough to win more than 9 games most of his career.
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Having a 17 year career avg of 9.6 wins per year 60 percent is incredible! you act like that number is blah??? anything over 8 is great! Tannehill is at 7.6 after 7 years, at the current #s even if he plays 10 more years he would be hard pressed to reach 9.6 he would have to avg 11 wins per season.
he has never smelled the top 10 in QB rating
Rob – I don’t think it’s fair to attribute W-L’s to a QB. In baseball it’s much closer to being fair, and yet look at Jacob deGrom who as a 1.50 ERA and yet is 5-2 instead of 13-1. There’s too many other factors in a football game to make it just about the QB, even though there is a stat for it.
Mike E. says:
June 19, 2018 at 10:36 am
Rob – I don’t think it’s fair to attribute W-L’s to a QB
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Top 10 QB ratings 2017.
1 Carson Wentz*…13-3
2 Case Keenum …13-3
3 Tom Brady*+…..13-3
4 Dak Prescott….9-7
5 Matt Ryan….10-6
6 Alex Smith*….10-6
7 Ben Roethlisberger…13-3
8 Matthew Stafford……9-7
9 Drew Brees*………..11-5
10 Aaron Rodgers….7-9 BTW Rodgers was hurt and missed games.
If you’re trying to tell me that if a QB has a good season his team will likely do well, I can agree, but it’s far from the only factor. How many SB’s does Aaron Rodgers have, he’s easily the best QB in the NFL by a wide margin.
Where is Blake Bortles on that list? Why did the Jags get in the playoffs the year Bortles had an 84.7QBR and the team was 10-6, but the year he had an 88.2QBR, the jags were 5-11? How can that be?????
He’s won a superbowl, and has been a regular in the playoffs
The offseason has been nothing but positive for Tannehill. Why all the negative? Let’s see this team play some games to get a better feel for the entire product, not just Tannehill, but the entire team.
why would anyone think that the off season has been negative for him? do you think they would say he sucks? every team this time of year is super bowl bound.
why be negative? it’s not negativity it’s called reality. I just can’t see him having a 100 QBR, i hope i’m wrong
Not sure who said super bowl bound or a 100 QBR. The guy hasn’t played in over a year but so far this offseason his knee has been fine, leadership and command of the offense is up. Let’s roll with it until we see otherwise. It’s also not impossible for him to reach a 100 QBR, he’s finished two seasons over 90.
The other QBR was ESPN’s not sure how they calculate but this is the QBR of 2017 in relation to wins, seeing that the 2 QBS that were in the superbowl were both over 100 leaves Tanne a hell of a hill to climb!
,,,,,,,,player…………..w/l……………qbr
1 Alex Smith*….10-6…………104.7
2 Drew Brees*……..11-5……103.9
3 Tom Brady*+…..13-3………102.8
4 Carson Wentz*…13-3……..101.9
5 Jared Goff*…….11-5………..100.5
6 Matthew Stafford……9-7…..99.3
7 Case Keenum…13-3………..98.3
8 Aaron Rodgers…11-5……….97.2
9 Philip Rivers*……9-7………..96.0
10 Russell Wilson*…9-7………..95.4
Tom Brady’s first 100+ QBR was in his 8th season. Alex Smith his 7th. Brees did it in his 4th not throwing very much when he was with SD. He didn’t do it again until his 9th season.
QBs get better in time. Like a lot of pitchers. You see some pitchers who were average but have good stuff all of a sudden become Cy Young candidates in their 30’s. It’s called honing your craft.
Rob – Rodgers has 1 SB win. Marino had none. It’s not just the QB. It never has been, and never will. It’s the most important position, no doubt, but there are so many other players in a game.
Mike, Mr Rock said
“WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT WINS NOT BEING A QB STAT?”
I totally disagree, and the stats show that wins and losses are directly tied to QBR.
There are other variables but if the QB sucks so does the team, it’s that simple
Well that’s 2 different things. If a QB sucks, it’s hard to win, but Tannehill hasn’t really sucked except for his rookie season, and that was almost expected. He hasn’t been great either, but he was good to very good his last 9 games.
and his QBR was 93, still not that good, you have to be in the high 90’s to low 100’s to be a contender IMO, maybe he can improve his career best, i sure hope so.
It was 93 because the team was horrible to start the season, but the last 9 games his QBR was about 100 or over 100
he only played 9 games and he was part of the horrible start
Mike E. says:
June 19, 2018 at 11:19 am
Where is Blake Bortles on that list?
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Read earlier comments, i said 80 percent of qbs make the playoffs that are in the top 10 in QBR, there are some exceptions and another one was Eli Manning. Maybe it has something to do with coughlin…not sure?
A lot goes into a QBR, if he’s put in a favorable down and distance situations so the D has to guess what the play will be he will have success and a better QBR, so running the ball effectively can put him in those situations…but that’s another boring story……
🙂
A good overall team can help a QB immensely because he doesn’t have to try to win with his arm all the time playing risky. Very few QBs have great seasons without good support around them. All phases compliment each other.
as the QBR goes so does the team in most cases
And a big part of that is the support around them. Does the OL protect well, does the team run the ball efficiently, does the defense get stops, turnovers and get off the field often. When that happens, you usually see more efficiency from your QB.
Rob – Tanny played 13 games in 16, and game 1, Tannehill led the team to a TD that SHOULD have been the game winner, but the defense blew it and let SEA win the game on the final drive. It’s not always the QB, and this is getting stale.
Is that the game Stills dropped another sure TD pass?
I don’t remember Kong. All I remember is that Tannehill drove us for the go ahead TD, but the the Seahawks marched down the field and won the game with less that 2 minutes, or about 2 minutes left.
I think that was the same game. Something like 3rd quarter, Tanny throws a 40 or 50 yard deep pass to wide open Stills, hits him in the hands, DROP. Would have put us up 2 scores. (if memory serves)
I remember that play, just didn’t remember that it was the first game against the Seahawks. That sucks. Could have changed the whole complexion of the season
That was against Seattle, but I thought it was earlier in the game, the TD would’ve given us the lead.
He’s just trolling Mike, been doing it for a while now, since he started talking about Ahayi, it must amuse him. If he really believes half the stuff he posts…
And here I thought that wins were a RB stat.
Not sure why people can’t accept it’s a team game and when all phases are playing well, everything looks better and the results are better. When parts of a team are broken, it’s hard to have a lot of success. No team sets out to say if we just have this one thing, we’re good to go. It doesn’t work that way.
Rob,
Since you’re going by QBR as the determining factor for QB proficiency, I have a question. Fales had a ridiculously bad 17 QBR in the Buffalo game last year. Yesterday you said he looked good in that game. Does that mean your eye test isn’t worth shit? 😉
His QBR was 83.9 in that game. You’re probably going by ESPN’s own QBR that nobody understands. LOL
An official QBR of 17 would likely be 2-20 for 20 yards 0 TD and 4 INTs.
I saw QBR and assumed he was using ESPN since they are the ones that use that terminology. Other stat machines just call it rating.
ESPN should get rid of their dumb rating. Do they do it just to be different? wtf
ESPN’s QBR is not official. Might be fantasy related.
ESPNs QBR gives marks for a ruining QB, so a Brady would have a lower grade than what you’re used to seeing. I agree it’s a bad stat.
I think we can all agree we hope Tanny breaks into the top 10 this year. If he does, we’re having a good year.
In 2016 his QBR was 12th, comp. pct. 6th and YPA 8th.
Not good enough. He has to be top 10 or it doesn’t count. Plus that was all Ajayi. W-L are attributed to the RB unless they are attributed to the QB. So even if Tanny had been top 10 that year it wouldn’t have counted due to the Ajayi factor. Haven’t we covered this already?
ESPN subtracts 40 points from your QBR if you play for the Dolphins
Kong – when ESPN goes down the tubes, and it seems like that day may actually come, their dumbass QBR will go with it.
I take it back, Rob. Your eye test is clearly top notch. 🙂
A QBR in the 80’s isn’t good enough. Not even 90’s, it has to be high 90’s. 😉
Just noticed Pro Football Reference also uses both ratings via ESPN since 2006. I don’t get it – Rating vs. QBR? So Brady’s Rating vs. QBR is 102.8 or 70.2. Why are their two different ratings?
They want to be able to distinguish the real better QB, according to their own fact checker😁
It’s not just wins, QBR or passing the eye test, it’s revolving, based on the given content.
Steve, is that what the QBR is, running involved? It’s definitely for fantasy then. It’s not the official passer rating. 2006 being the year it started seems to speak to fantasy.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Fantasy, I just think they wanted a way to give value to a QB that runs with the ball, the so called real value of a QB.
And I get it, but they didn’t do it correctly.
Whatever it is I don’t value it. I’ll go with the one that has been used forever. The running part devalues the passing part which is the key for all QBs.
Yeah I just looked it up but they’re playing with too many variables that may not be due to the QB. Kind of like when a QB hits a receiver in the hands and he loses control and it gets picked off. The INT is still on the QB.
I was wrong about QBR.
QBR uses win probability to assess how “clutch” a situation is, it uses expected points as the basis of evaluating QBs. Basically tge QBs contribution on a given play.
Must’ve mistaken it for the runs you get from PBR 😶
SOS “””The Minkah Effect”””, I like it !!!
Minkah (The Matrix) Fitzpatrick
GOFINS!!!
I hope he’s our Ed Reed, which is why I wanted him so much as our top pick, just didn’t think he’d last so long.
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Marino couldn’t win a SB. I guess we are screwed.
Anyone who watched that game knows why we were beaten so badly. Couldn’t run the ball or stop the 49ers offense. The 49ers played a dime defense doubling Duper and Clayton. We were one dimensional. Rushed 9-25 against a dime defense. Ugh!
mf13ss says:
June 18, 2018 at 9:24 pm
Wyoming, you just posted a tweet that spelled GESICKI’s name correctly! LOL
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Spelling Shmelling! 😉
CavalierKong says:
June 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm
Rob,
Since you’re going by QBR as the determining factor for QB proficiency, I have a question. Fales had a ridiculously bad 17 QBR in the Buffalo game last year.
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Fales didn’t play the whole game, has not had any real reps in game exp, come on man, i thought the guy played well, just opinion based
He did play solid. Gase was impressed with what he saw in Fales. That’s why he’s back this year and the frontrunner so far for the backup QB role.
I was just givin ya grief, Rob. 🙂
I know everything you are putting out there is all just your opinion.
steveccnv says:
June 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm
He’s just trolling Mike, been doing it for a while now
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to insight people by calling them offensive names, offensive behavior.
You keep saying this stupid shit???
What a moronic thing to say, do you know what a troll is?
i talk about football and you personally attack me, so who’s the troll??
where did i even mention your name??
I try to keep it football unlike others, these are the facts, Tannehills QBR leaves much to be desired at a career 86.5 It sucks and that’s a fact.
just because you’re up tannys ass and don’t want to hear the reality of the situation doesn’t make me a troll.
All this QB talk is why I want a top 5 defense. Screw the QB. I want a defense that can hold a team around 20 or less points and a chance to win games on the road. Then, a QB that throws about 25 TDs a year could translate to more wins! 👍
It would be nice to rush for more than 4 TDs as well. A little balance please. 🙂
And topless cheerleaders 🙂
a good offense and Keeping the Defense rested is the key,
Agreed and the defense making some impact plays on top of that – sacks and turnovers.
Tim Knight says:
June 19, 2018 at 1:51 pm
Yeah I just looked it up but they’re playing with too many variables that may not be due to the QB. Kind of like when a QB hits a receiver in the hands and he loses control and it gets picked off. The INT is still on the QB.
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as it should be, when you pass a ball it’s like writing a check, it doesn’t matter if it bounces off the rec’s hands as a QB you own it.
Disagree as do many who have said receivers should have an INT stat. Oh sorry I hit you wide open in the hands or bread basket and you couldn’t handle it. My bad! That’s BS!
NFL coaches all say to receivers if you get your hands on the ball you should catch it, that’s your job.
as a QB you have to make the right decisions, to avoid this just don’t throw it there, once you throw it you own it.
It’s like hitting a golf ball in the trees on roots, some say i should get free relief from the roots, i say if you want free relief just don’t hit it there
Okay that makes no sense and no football coach agrees with you.
Coach: Why didn’t you throw it to him, he was wide open?
QB: I thought he’d drop it.
Coach: Don’t ever think that again. He’s on the field for a reason.
Lol Tim, of course it makes no sense, that’s why he’s trolling, he’s just throwing BS against the wall to make others react.
If tannehill had a great QBR everyone would be pumping up that stat, you have to agree a good QBR goes hand in hand with winning for whatever the cause, it’s just like rushing attempts that go hand in hand with winning and losing.
these are key stats and if i were calling the shots this is what i would strive for and the rest will take care of itself.
I think you sometimes debate yourself. Who here said that not having a “great” QBR would not be a great thing?
Go back and read tim,
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Rockphin says:
June 19, 2018 at 6:10 am
By my Reckoning wins and losses are not a quarterback stat
Rockphin says:
June 19, 2018 at 6:17 am
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT WINS NOT BEING A QB STAT?
How can a QB predict the WR will bounce it off of them? Lol
I guess Rob thinks QBs have to be psychic too. LOL
Coach… why did you throw it so hard into such tight coverage?
QB….I thought i had him coach.
It’s not always the rec’s fault.
anyway it’s just and old QB saying, maybe some here are too young to know this….
“throwing a football is like writing a check…” the QB owns it
Wow, do you really believe the BS you write?
So everyone here us off their rockers and you’re spot on?
Living in your own Private Idaho
That’s not what was being discussed. You’re all over the place. Comparing hitting golf balls at static tree roots to moving humans in football? LOL
There are lots of times that receivers save their QBs ass by breaking up an INT or making a great catch on a crappy throw. If you think about it, “great catches” are usually mad on shitty throws. If the throw was accurate, it’s usually a routine catch. The whole INT thing is what it is. The ball was last in possession of the QB so the INT is on him. It works both ways, and I think it probably evens out in the end.
Weren’t you ever told not to feed the wild animals?
Tim,, i remember you use to make similar excuses for Chad Henne
I’m discussing all QBs not anyone in particular. You have me confused with someone else about Henne. All I ever said was give him some time to see if he can put it altogether. He never did and after his 4 year rookie deal was up I agreed it was time to move on.
“…you have to agree a good QBR goes hand in hand with winning for whatever the cause…”
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This is too rich.
Lifetime Passer ratings:
Ryan Tannehill 86.5
Dan Marino 86.4
Maybe his age and the fact that he had a 67 qbr as he gimped into his last year has something to do with it, not to mention Marino was hurling the ball 60 times a game
Marino 17 years highest QBR 108.9
Tannehill 7 years ” ………..” 93….the rest in the 80s
also passer ratings have gone up since the late 90s when rules changed to favor passing. If you look at the top passer ratings of all time, they are almost all QBs from the new era (post 80s).
They can do QBRs on retired players? I did not know that….and why bother? Lol
They originally did it to prove Rob wrong, but found there were all sorts of applications, such as bar fights, watercooler disagreements, and such.
Actually wikipedia says the NFL has been using this formula since 1973, if you believe wiki.
Ryan Tannehill > Dan Marino. End of discussion!
Kong,
Do you mean QB rating….or ESPN’s QBR? Aren’t they two different things?
He’s talking about the NFL’s Q rating. ESPN has their own bullshit formula
^ QB
Sorry, I meant passer rating. Everybody here keeps saying QBR which to me means the stupid ESPN thing. I thought you were using QBR interchangeably like everyone else keeps doing.
Kong,
Gotcha. I meant that ESPN stat.
steveccnv says:
June 19, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Wow, do you really believe the BS you write?
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Let me know when you have something intelligent to say, write it all in caps so i know when to read your comments, otherwise i’ll just ignore your stupidity.
Rob – Stop cherry picking Marino years that suit your argument. Hi QBR is lower than tannehill’s. End of story. 😉
Tannehills career unlike Marinos isn’t over
And he’s about to peek, & camp near the summit for the next 5 years or so !!!
Highest standard QB ratings of all time.
(Marino is 28th and Tanny 27th…Griese is 94th).
1 Aaron Rodgers 103.8
2 Russell Wilson 98.8
3 Tom Brady 97.6
4 Tony Romo 97.1
5 Steve Young 96.8
6 Drew Brees 96.7
7 Peyton Manning 96.5
8 Philip Rivers 94.8
9 Ben Roethlisberger 94.0
T 10 Kirk Cousins 93.7
T 10 Kurt Warner 93.7
I know i’m hated here…But what i’m saying is QBR goes hand in hand with contending for a championship, some get off base just trying to prove me wrong because Tannehill hasn’t produced these stats, and how dare i take your Kool-aide away in June!
but these are the facts. Do you really think this is coincidence?
,,,,,,,,player…………..w/l……………qbr
1 Alex Smith*….10-6…………104.7
2 Drew Brees*……..11-5……103.9
3 Tom Brady*+…..13-3………102.8
4 Carson Wentz*…13-3……..101.9
5 Jared Goff*…….11-5………..100.5
6 Matthew Stafford……9-7…..99.3
7 Case Keenum…13-3………..98.3
8 Aaron Rodgers…11-5……….97.2
9 Philip Rivers*……9-7………..96.0
10 Russell Wilson*…9-7………..95.4
For funsies:
Kirk cousins has the 10th best passer rating of all time, but he hasn’t made the playoffs once. (or was he on the team the year RG3 was starting and the Skins went to the playoffs?)
Tony Romo- 4th best passer rating of all time, only made the playoffs 3 times, 1-3 record. never even made a championship game.
Jim Plunkett- lifetime passer rating 67.5, 2 SB wins.
Terry Bradshaw- lifetime passer rating 70.9, 4 SB wins
check the end of each year, who makes the playoffs and who doesn’t and relate that to passer rating, you may be surprised at what you find. at least 80 percent of the qb’s in the top 10 are in the playoffs and there is 12 spots.
I’ll catch you guys later