The Dolphins running back picture is pretty clear as far as the 3 that will definitely make the roster, but not so clear as far as which back will start, and which back will get the lion’s share of carries. Future HOFer Frank Gore has come back home to Miami, and if healthy can still carry the rock to join one of the best RB’s in the NFL the last 4 games of last season Kenyan Drake, as well as rookie draftee Kalen Ballage. Those 3 are in, but one of the other remaining 3, Senorise Perry, Brandon Radcliffe and Buddy Howell. Those 3 will be competing for the final RB roster spot, and at least one of the others should get placed on the PS. So let’s take a look at the competition.
Frank Gore RB – 5’9″ 212
A no doubt future Hall of fame RB, Gore has amassed over 14,000 yards rushing in the NFL as well as 77 rushing TD’s. I don’t expect him to crack 15,000 this season, but he can easily get halfway to 1000 in a RB committee approach I expect us to have here in MIA in ’18. Not only can Gore run, but he’s been an effective receiver his entire career as well. Gore has 443 receptions for 3672 yards and 17 receiving TD’s. Gore has done it all, and for a guy who had 2 knee injuries in college, he has been a picture of longevity with over 3000 NFL carries. He may start early on, and might even get the majority of carries too, but Gase won’t let anyone get burnt out, so don’t expect Gore to have enough carries to break 1000 this season. Gore is a bowling ball, and has always been a reliable short yardage converter, and I would expect him to get his chances in that regard.
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Kenyan Drake RB – 6’1″ 211
Drake really burst on the scene after the trade of Jay Ajayi. Although Drake shared time with Damien Williams at first, it became clear that Drake was the better talent and he earned more carries and opportunities. Considering the fact that Drake was always a 2nd fiddle at Alabama, behind either T.J. Yeldon, or Derrick Henry, it’s understandable why he wasn’t the first choice over Ajayi or even Damien Williams. The talent was always there, but various minor injuries kept him from being the primary ballcarrier. Once he got his chance here in Miami, Drake made the most of it. With just 6 starts, Drake finished up the season with 644 yards rushing on 133 carries for a nice 4.8YPC and 3 TD’s. In addition, Drake caught 32 passes for 239 yards and 1 TD. Drake showed running power as well as home run speed. Both Gore and Drake will get the majority of the carries, but don’t sleep on number 3!
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Kalen Ballage RB – 6’2″ 228
The Dolphins nabbed this big back in the 4th RD of this years draft and I for one was really happy. I read about all the backs, and there were things I liked a lot about a few of them, but those guys were going to be taken in the first couple of rounds, which i knew was unrealistic for us. I think we took a back at the right time with our priorities, and Ballage was one of my favorite mid RD picks. Oft compared to David Johnson, he has the size and physique of Johnson, as well as the speed and the receiving ability. Ballage blasted a 4.46 at the combine, so this big guy can move. He has a lot of work to do to get to being compared with David Johnson statistically in the NFL, but I think he has potential. The fact that he’s a very smooth receiver out of the backfield will endear him to Gase who truly values that. Ballage will definitely find opportunities here in Miami.
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Senorise Perry RB – 6’0″ 210
Perry has been in the NFL since 2014 and has total of 8 carries in 4 years. What Perry does well is play special teams, so already he has a leg up on making the roster. Perry is also a kick returner adding to his special teams value. He played in all 16 games last season in a special teams capacity. Beyond that, he’s not much of a factor.
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Brandon Radcliff RB – 5’9″ 216
Like Senorise Perry, Radcliff played at Louisville. The UDFA joins Miami and a crowded backfield. He was a 3 year starter at Louisville but was a non combine invitee. He did well at his pro day unofficially running between a 4.4-4.5 at 207 lbs, roughly 8-9 lbs lighter than his playing weight at 215-216. Radcliff will have to show some special teams ability if he’s going to steal that last spot, and if he can make the most of his carries in training camp and preseason, he has a shot st steal the last spot.
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Buddy Howell RB – 6’1″ 215
Greg (Buddy) Howell is another non combine invitee. Mr. Howell ran a 4.55 40 at his pro day, apparently he saw Lovey at the finish line. Usually players shed weight for their pro day’s, but Howell was up a few pounds, up to 219. Howell had a decent workload at FAU, rushing for 828 yards and 13 TD’s his junior year. His numbers fell off a bit his senior year, but not bad. Like Perry and Radcliff, Howell will have to show he can play ST’s and do it well to sneak onto the roster.
Finsmob Unleashed 
why did tanne have his best year with ajayi?
Allegorical relationship again. Why, because it was his first year with Gase and Gase’s offense.
why did we go 10-6 with such lowsy numbers for ajayi?
For MANY reasons. Defense stepped up and scored in some games, Special teams scored in some games, Offense played better after a slow start learning a new system but was more efficient AND Ajayi ran well in 4 games. (ONLY 4 but still)
Mike brings up a new blog to talk about something new, but you…
Oh nevermind this blog is about RBs
lol
You just had to do a post on RB, didn’t you?
Yep!
Lol@Rock. Let it go, man…you’re killing electrons to no avail!
and that happened due to the D keying on him, they don’t key on Drake, they don’t stack the box on drake
Really? You are stretching to the point of breaking here. go back and look at the play you posted. They had 9 guys within 5 yards or the line They must have been scared of Drake after he was AVERAGING 6.77 yards per carry up to that point in the game (5 out of 7 of those runs between the tackles) ….. you are wrong again.
ocalarob says:
June 20, 2018 at 8:51 am
Kong, you’re cherry picking…..Ajayi didn’t have enough touches in the Balt game to warrant any kind or assessment. he didn’t have enough carries in any of our losses while he was here,
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Rob, I specifically DIDN’T cherry pick. I gave you every rush Ajayi had in the Baltimore game and the Jets game. And he single-handedly put us in negative down and distance on SIX drives in that game. SIX times on 1st down he put us in a terrible 2nd down position. You are the one that cherry picks stats or plays like pointing out ONE of only two negative runs Drake had against Buffalo. I gave you every one of Ajayi’s and you still make excuses instead of just admitting “yeah, Ajayi SUCKED that game”.
We lost the Balt game 40-0. If we had kept giving the ball to an ineffective Ajayi, we would have lost 60-0, or do you honestly think if he had 7 more rushes we would have won that game.
When you give a guy the ball 10-15 times and he averages 1.8 yds a carry or less YOU STOP giving him the ball because he is killing your offense.
I already outlined for you the 20 rush win stat is correlation, not causation. They go hand in hand, one does not cause the other. If the back is performing he will get the ball more and you have a better chance of winning. If the back looks like hot garbage, he’s going to stop getting the ball.
As for Drake not facing 8 man fronts. Well the Buffalo game, he made that defense pay for not giving him 8 man fronts which is what a good back will do. He averaged 5.4 per carry and had only 2 negative rushes.
This will be my last post on the subject guys. I’m sure most of you are tired of it even though I am having fun with it, lol.
LMAO at the idea of ‘cherry picking’ 2 full games worth of stats out of what? 7 he had with us last year.
Ok, I lied, sorry. I just can’t help ,myself, lol
Rob, I could have been considered to be cherry picking if the object of my posts were to point out that Ajayi is a shitty RB. That wasn’t my point at all. I think Ajayi is a solid RB who had some bad games last year.
As I stated in one of my posts, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying you are ‘concerned’ about Drake because of some negative runs in a game where he was really solid, but you’ll defend Ajayi to the death when he had whole games last year where he was terrible. I listed 2 of those games in their entirety to emphasize that point.
OK, for real DONE! lololol
Oh boy, it’s going to be a looooong day on the blog today! LOL
I’m just glad we signed all of our draft picks and are ready to go into training camp in the next few weeks. This is going to be a fun training camp and preseason to watch. Lots of good roster battles
Keep your eye on this kid!
http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/article-1/Davis-Mission-To-Prove-Doubters-Wrong/054730ac-cddc-4966-9938-ea106780db94
MikeE, nice article. Thank you once again for keeping this place running. (Thanks to the other admin’s too, I am not excluding you)
I disagree with your first paragraph. I think we do know who the starter will be and who will get the majority of the snaps. Drake earned it last year. He will continue to be the starter unless he loses the position. IMO of course. I can’t see the future better than anyone else.
Gore has earned it his entire career. Not so fast Rock. Gore looks like he’s in fantastic shape. In any case, it doesn’t really matter who starts, both guys will be getting lots of touches.
Yea Drakes our #1,
But I think Gore (if for no other reason)
Gets the first carry in tribute to his career & homecoming!!
GOFINS!!!
Coulda got a lot off our chest if this was a post about
Camp Battles Punters…
GOOD STUFF MikeE,
Thank You for the entertainment!!!
PS.
Can’t wait to see Ballage play like (his resemblance)
Eric Dickerson, IMHO
And I see some LeVeon Bell in Drake !!!
GOFINS!!
Thanks Rock
Man check out 1:47 how he trucks 1/2 the Pat’s D for extra yardage.
He’s definitely a fun watch !!!
Lotta LeVeon Bell!!!
Love that commit between T’s,
Stops, gets defender leaning, hops backwards, slaps defender helmet to the side/off balance, and is gone through once plugged hole!!!
Go KD,
GOFINS!!!
I honestly don’t care who starts as long as we can run the ball.
What more discussion about running backs lol
I’m beginning to buy into the hype. As I posted yesterday, I think Drake is poised to have a HUGE year behind an upgraded O-Line. If he was able to do what he did last year — leading the NFL in yards after being contacted in the backfield — he’s going to BEAST this year behind our new O-Line. And to have Gore and Ballage with him… NICE!
It’s all (or mostly) about the O-Line, y’all. I just hope we have enough depth on our O-Line for when one (or more) of our starters goes down… and I think we do.
The idea is that this strong running game will get more Defenses to play us with 8 in-the-box. And once that occurs, we saw how strong Tannehill performed in ’16. It opened up our deep-passing game, and Tanny finally delivered in that department.
In short, I think Tannehill is going to BALL this year… granted he remains healthy, and I see no reason to believe otherwise to this point.
GO PHINS!!!
If I were to put a ‘magic number’ on the number of team rushes (running) we’d like to see over the course of the season, it would be 400(+). We had 406 rushes in ’16, which got us a wildcard berth.
Let’s split it like… Drake 200, Gore 150, and Ballage 50.
Based on this and coupled with Drake’s career numbers, he’d end up with roughly 1,000 yards, 5.0 YPC, and 6 TDs.
Now then… allow for a better O-Line this year (HUGE point, here!), Drake’s experience entering his 3rd year in the NFL, and that Drake’s put on roughly 7 pounds of muscle this offseason (per Drake himself): I firmly believe he replaces Ajayi’s production in ’16, easily.
This is NOT about bringing Ajayi back into the convo or crying over his trade… it’s about replacing the production that got us into the playoffs in ’16, and I DO believe that Drake alone can do it. Then, add Gore and Ballage to the mix.
Now ALSO understand that Drake is an outstanding receiver… radically better than Ajayi. We’re going to see more production in that department, alone.
If our O-Line stays healthy and can do what it looks like it can on paper, I can all but guarantee y’all that our RB room WILL do their job, and VERY WELL.
I feel Drake is on the cusp of becoming ‘the next big thing’. Dare I say… a Marshall Faulk of sorts.
That’s definitely possible, I can see a breakdown being close to that. Don’t be surprised if Gore has more TD’s though, he’s so tough near the goal line and in short yardage situations. He just gets low and powers his way forward
I absolutely agree with ya, Mike E. I hope none of our fantasy football players aren’t thinking that Drake is going to set the single-season record for TDs this year.
Gore is likely going to be our ‘bread-n-butter’ in short-yardage sits.
And by the way, nice write, Mike E! 🙂
Thanks M
GoodStuff Mff !!!
Hey thanks KV!
BOLD prediction…
After this season, most are going to forget that Jay Ajayi was ever on our team.
Ajayi WHO ???
Mike E — as always thanks for giving us great stuff. Gonna be interested in how Ballage works out though. Don’t get me wrong for starters, thought he was great value in the 4th.
Can’t complaining about the size, straight line speed and catching ability, but didn’t see a lot of shifty cut in him against. And I am the last one to talk about what saw on tape, but just didn’t see football instincts with the rock in his hands. …and that is a god given gift more than anything.
So not saying he couldn’t pop the middle on short yards, break a drop off with space or act like a wideout in the spread…. just didn’t see HOF back making three defenders miss and cruising to the TD in there.
That’s the knock on him, not very shifty or instinctive, waits too long to make his move.
We’ll see what happens, but he could be both a short yardage and a long yardage back (assume at his size he can block). Interesting combination that.
MikeE,
I’m still waiting for the article about the QB camp battle………..
Coming soon Randy! Be patient young padawan. lol
😀
13kvFINS says:
June 20, 2018 at 12:56 pm
GoodStuff Mff !!!
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Thank you, 13KV!
To predict how many carries each RB will get is kind of pointless, even Gase really doesn’t know. They’ll all get their chances, it’s what happens during games and game situations, the effectiveness of each that will determine the carries.
And it really doesn’t matter, what matters is can we run enough to keep the D honest? Can we run effectively? Can we control the clock?
Who does what is for fantasy football.
Agreed, Steve. It’s just a ‘rough guestimate’, so as to predict success. Every situation is different, thus there’s the ever present element of unpredictability. As such, WE’LL SEE what happens this year.
I’m not trying to get too high or too low… but I can see good things happening on paper.
I don’t care who gets how many carries as long as the running game is effective. The fact that we have a debate about it is a good thing though. That means we have more than one option.
As for Ballage, I think his running style is more like LeGarrette Blount. Get the ball and go, not much creativity.
Blount is pure power,
Ballage displays great vision, burst, speed, balance, moves, strength, and power, All on one play time and again!!!
Perhaps (post Gore), a similar style to
There are better ones, but I’m working…
GOFINS!!!
HULKFEST — Sunday 10/21 vs Lions
Sat eve meet-up as always plus our new to be usghe event — tunes with the Dog on Friday on Hollywood Beach. And traditional Chef Warren spread at the tailgate.
Ended up with Sec 317 (like the 40) and way down lower than we normally get. Seats in rows, 10, 13 and 15 in Sec 317 to be had at $65 each….unless they run out of course.
IN
Hulk
Mike E (+2)
Pig
Doggy (+2 or +3)
Son (+1-3)
Rock
stanger (+2-4)
OD (may sit with the crew)
Phelon (+1 and own seats)
Toba (+1)
Bookman (+1)
POSSIBLE
ElephantRider
Naples (+1)
Herd
Boulder
Twice
(tell me if missed someone who popped on with interest)
Just the periodic reminder…..and in this case time for you guys coming to get your flights and hotels done. Earlier the cheaper. Any updates? No problem bring extras.
Cheaper to fly into Miami or Ft. Lauderdale? Anybody got tips?
The Lauderdale airport is closest to everyone and everything will be.
Or get an early Friday flight into Orlando and I’ll drive you down.
You don’t want to fly into Orlando, anytime you go to Orlando the tickets are expensive due to Mickey Mouse
I think it’s cheaper to fly into MIA
LaDainian Tomlinson’s 28 rushing TD’s in one season is a pretty fucking hard act to follow, let alone pass. IMO it will be a long time (it’s already been 12 years) before we see that record broken.
Yeah that was a season for the ages. He had a great career.
the last 9 games we went 2-7! however many games Drake played we only won 2 of them.
Drake was not injured when we dumped Ajayi, he was Williams back up and stayed that way until Williams got injured. so obviously Gase didn’t think that much of Drake to let him start over Williams.
I’m not sure but i think the heat of june is making some around here delusional, It’s like you guys are in a big circle jerk patting each other on the back. there’s clearly no room here for objectivity,
where was this big circle jerk in december?
Mike E. says:
June 20, 2018 at 1:16 pm
That’s the knock on him, not very shifty or instinctive, waits too long to make his move.
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Another reason why they brought Gore in (besides him being a stud) is they hope he can teach these younger backs a thing or two.
Thanks for the article Mike nice job, I wish you would have told me i could have helped you out with this subject 🙂
You’ve been helping me for months! 😉
Randy says:
June 20, 2018 at 1:13 pm
MikeE,
I’m still waiting for the article about the QB camp battle………..
Reply
Mike E. says:
June 20, 2018 at 1:15 pm
Coming soon Randy! Be patient young padawan. lol
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Only 6-8 years to go Randy.
remember when you do that Mike, key on (PASSER RATING) and the lack of it.
Heck, I’m still gonna call it QBR. I couldn’t give two shits that ESPN has their own QBR, the passer rating IS a QB rating system, so I call it that.
Me too, it is QBR
Thanks guys. I thought Ft. Lauderdale was a better choice. I’ll look into all of them including Orlando.
FLL is the way to go ER. No reason to fly anywhere else, unless for some odd reason you could get less expensive flights. MIA wouldn’t be terrible if was much cheaper, but FLL is close to where we’ll all be.
ER — MIke E is spot on where you would like to land. Check out the flights and costs. Live like 12 minutes past FLL from Miami, but sometimes get flights out of MIA for a cheaper price or direct flight. But either way…. Fest is way cool.
13kvFINS, when watching Ballage videos I didn’t see much razzle dazzle and I’m not knocking him because of that. Not all backs run that way. Gore is a duck and cut – run low to the ground back. Ballage just gets it and goes. Most big backs like him run that way. Dickerson ran like a horse.
No Ballage don’t have scat-back razzle dazzle but he got some nice moves, quickness, balance, speed for his uncharacteristic RB size!!
I’m not concerned about our RB top two (post Gore)!!!
GOFINS!!!
Tim Knight says:
June 19, 2018 at 10:38 pm
M13, yeah you say it over and over but leave out guys like Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Landon Collins and Minkah Fitzpatrick who may be the best of all of them like they don’t exist from your Saban/Alabama bias.
But many of your former prospects you love who are no longer in the league and never amounted to anything are still prominent? You’re not a pro scout no matter how much smoke OD blows up your ass. Be realistic and stop pretending. We’re all amateurs here.
None of us are in the room or on the field with any of these players.
Sorry to be so harsh, just tired of being told things as fact that don’t add up.
No matter how many times people say PFF is not a factor you still post it like it’s significant. It’s not. Who does the grading?
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I’m not sure how to even address this one, Tim. For the love of God, I do NOT think I’m a pro scout… nor was it cool of you to insinuate as much while throwing Old Dolfan under the bus while you were at it. I’m sorry, but some of our Phins’ PROFESSIONAL GMs over the last 2 decades have a worse track record than even some of us very lowly hobbyists.
I posted the PFF numbers on both Drake and Stills, PROVING they aren’t chopped liver (contrary to many). I didn’t realize that I shouldn’t have posted POSITIVE things from PFF regarding our team. WOW!
And lastly, I’m out here DISSIN’ myself, showing y’all that Minkah is an exception to my ‘Saban-rule’ regarding DBs. I’m not sure what more you want me to say. I’m TOTALLY on-board when it comes to Minkah, and I overlooked him due to my biases.
Do you now want me to hang myself?!! SMH/LOL!!! WOW!!! 😀
I didn’t throw OD under the bus. I pointed out how he has said many times you’d be a better GM than the one we have. That should have had a LOL at the end of it.
The point of the post was about sometimes we take ourselves a little too seriously when we don’t have all of the information on players.
I said “Sorry to be so harsh” as I was writing it because I knew it would come off that way.
You say you’re on board with Minkah but still bring up your anti-Saban DB critique all the time. If you think Minkah is the exception, why keep bringing it up? I pointed out two pro bowl safeties from Alabama. Some guys didn’t pan out and some did just like from every other school.
I’m going to call it ALL GOOD, as I didn’t take any offense by it. I just wanted to bring attention to this post, thinking you were out of your gourd last night! LOL 🙂
It probably came off more hostile than I intended it to be. Sorry bout that.
When reading up on ESPN’s QB rating they try to calculate too many variables like scrambles and even penalties. Their rating has been criticized by many. Some stats are just too much. Like many coaches say, football is not that complicated.
EXACTLY!
WAIT! You can’t throw a PFF stat up there that shows one of Phins to be GREAT!!! LOL
All you need to do is watch Wake to know this. He gets voted a top 100 player just about every year for a reason. 🙂
I can!
LOL @ Wyoming!
HELL YEAH!!!
ElephantRider says:
June 20, 2018 at 2:01 pm
Cheaper to fly into Miami or Ft. Lauderdale? Anybody got tips?
Depends where you fly in from, when, etc, but TYPICALLY flying into Miami (or out of miami in my case) is less expensive than Ft. Lauderdale.
I just hate the miami airport and everything around it and it is a lot less convenient to where everyone else is staying. (hollywood is a cheep uber ride from the airport)
The only time I fly out of Miami is if I fly overseas or if I fly to the west coast. They have a lot more direct flights for some reason. Other than that, I stay the hell away.
Tip: if you use expedia or one of the other search sites ALSO do an independent search on Jet Blue and SouthWest. they do not always show up on expedia or Orbitz searches.
https://twitter.com/Super_bash_br0s/status/1009457985616318465
Is this ‘QBR’ yet another type of passer rating? The standard max is 158.3, and the ESPN garbage rating tops out at 100 I think. How are these guys in the 160s?
ER – I’m just glad that you’re going to make it to the Fest man. You will be too, and it will make it hard to miss each year. It’s a great time for sure. All of it.
Working on it. Trying my best.
ER Google Donde nast traveler, or you might try MSN.com they had an article today saying when to purchase tickets. How many days out and buy them on Sunday.
Conde Nast Traveler
Cool. Thanks
ocalarob says:
June 20, 2018 at 2:13 pm
I’m not sure but i think the heat of june is making some around here delusional, It’s like you guys are in a big circle jerk patting each other on the back. there’s clearly no room here for objectivity,
where was this big circle jerk in december?
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Every one of my posts on this subject is purely objective using stats and actual data to back up my points.
You are the one that uses subjective reasoning like the ‘eye test’ regardless of facts or stats. Or Moore is ‘smaller’ than Fales because that is what you see. Or we lost the Oakland game because of time of possession in the 4th quarter because that’s what you ‘saw’ (even though it wasn’t true). Or Drake can’t get the ‘tough’ yards.
None of these are objective.
And you continually confuse causality and correlation. (a logical fallacy which is the very definition of non-objective!)
FYI, bro, just because you’re a circle of one, it doesn’t mean you aren’t still jerking off. lol
It surprises me to see Wake in the top 3 of pressures for edge defenders. He seems so hot and cold from game to game, I would have bet he dropped off last year.
He’s going to same spot on every play, it’s up to him how wants to get there either by speed or going over you. The spot right where the handoff would be or a quick pass. A little deeper perhaps on an obvious pass play.
He gets close to that spot a lot.
ER, make sure the locals up there understand that you are making this pilgrimage to make sure the rival gets beaten, and badly. Shit they’ll probably send you down in a Rogers jersey.
Kong..my opinion is unbiased, the eye test on Fales was the Buffalo game and how he carried himself on the field vs Moore…Did you see Moore in the pittsburgh playoff game? he looked like a pin ball.
Thats how i perceived the size difference without googling it like most do around here to prove a point. Fales seems more confortable in the pocket and looks as if he plays bigger
we lost the Oakland game because we were only able to run the ball 16 times, Your boy Drake had 9 carries for 60 yards
but i don’t remember discussing that with you?
impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced is being objective
I don’t recall you ever having concerns with our 6-10 team…..
along with a couple of others…cough…. choke….rock…..you have a tendency to be bias in support of Miami, that is not being objective
Rob,
You say your opinion is unbiased, but then proceed to illustrate your bias in using the ‘eye’ test by referencing Moore size and what you perceived.
An ‘eye’ test is purely subjective. It can’t help but be influenced by the person experiencing it, and is in its very nature biased. It isn’t objective factual data.
In your opinion Moore looked like a pinball, therefore the conclusion you came to is he is smaller than Fales. This was factually incorrect. This is how a subjective opinion works.
Subjective: Moore looks smaller, therefore he is smaller.
Objective: Moore is 6′ 3″, Fales is 6′ 2″.
As for the Oakland conversation, it was a couple of days to a week after the game. You kept saying we lost the game because of TOP in the 4th quarter because we don’t have a RB that wears the other team down (or something along those lines). I posted the stats which literally contradicted what you were saying about our TOP the whole game and the 4th, and your response, almost verbatim, was that “wasn’t what you saw”.
More examples of subjective vs objective. From the above post:
“we lost the Oakland game because we were only able to run the ball 16 times” this is a subjective opinion.
“Your boy Drake had 9 carries for 60 yards” this is an objective fact
What I pointed out in my earlier post was a direct response to you saying there is no room for objectivity on this board. (that was a subjective opinion by the way) Pretty much everything I have been saying to you is objective fact, so not only was your statement about objectivity completely wrong, but it is also hypocritical.
You’re attempt to prove me wrong at every turn is twisted dude.
I see Moore listed at 6-3 225 and Fales 6-1 219.
CavalierKong says:
June 20, 2018 at 4:13 pm
It surprises me to see Wake in the top 3 of pressures for edge defenders. He seems so hot and cold from game to game, I would have bet he dropped off last year.
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He had tons of pressures, but i do thinkit came in spurts. I can remember some games where he was really quiet out there, and others where he was getting around the corner a lot and just falling short of a QB hit. He also gets held (without getting calls) more than any DE i have ever seen. I swear to you there have been some years where the guy would have had at least 30 holding calls against him if the refs would have just been looking is way.
I almost mentioned the holding in a post above. It’s crazy how often it doesn’t get called. I think he gets held more than any other player I have ever seen. (subjective opinion, Rob)
I swear Wake seems to get held at least a half a dozen times per game that are obvious. It’s like they don’t call it because he would get too many QB hits or sacks.
what’s wrong with being subjective? what does that have to do with my earlier post?
thanks clearing up the definition, and you may want to duck as the point i was trying to make earlier flies by your head.
you are one sided, you have never agreed with me on any points, instead of realistically talking football your agenda is to prove me wrong, but what puts a flaw in your biased agenda is the fact the team you’re defending at every turn went 6-10
you should stick to relevant issues as to the subject instead of drifting.
LMAO! Perfect example of changing the debate. There is nothing wrong with being subjective. When did I say there is something wrong with it? I didn’t.
What I said is most of the stuff you put out is subjective so it is hypocrisy to talk about objectivity not being allowed on this board. I then also pointed out that in my arguing this subject with you I am almost entirely objective.
It was a direct response to your post. Do you remember what you post?
Again, changing the debate. I have never defended the 6-10 team from last year. Show one post where I defend the 6-10-Dolphins. I talked about quitting watching football last year because I was so sick of it, lol.
You are the one that drifts all over the place whenever your opinion is shown to be wrong. You start in one place, get pointed wrong, then shift, and shift, and shift.
Drake had 9 carries for 60 yards (actually it was 69 yards) – 7.6 yards a carry. Not bad. Cutler had one of his better games – 311 yards and 3 TD passing, no INT. TOP was pretty equal – 2-ish minute difference in Oaklands favor. Wonder why they lost that game? Oh wait, I was there – Defense couldn’t stop Oakland from making a long drive and scoring in the 4th quarter.
Hey Oinkers
How is the pork these days?
Slow roasted and seasoned to perfection!
Gross
Salute Mr Piggs
🐽🥓😎
🐖
We’re all Dolphins fans but sometimes I feel like we’re not suppose to be excited or happy with our team. It’s like we’re suppose to dwell on the negatives of the past, specifically last year which was a shit season for many reasons. We can be good again. We can do it! 🙂
I agree if they take the right approach, if they come out throwing 50 times a game and running 15 times like they did last year in 10 of the 16 games we will lose.
Well I don’t think we ever even ran that many plays in a game last year. LOL
Doubt we’ll trail by 14 plus for the large majority of practically every game either!!!
MikeE,
I don’t know a ton about the ESPN QBR stat. I looked at it a year or so ago, I think. It seemed confusing to me….and didn’t really seem objective in how it weighted certain things. But, it is just another stat…or way of compiling data and saying it means something, I assume. It’s no better or worse than other congregate stats.
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What I don’t like about just the QB rating…not QBR….is that it is very narrow in what it evaluates, and it is really a useless stat these days with how the game is played and officiated. The game has been modified to make throwing the ball much, much easier than it ever was….or should be, in my opinion. You should be good. That’s why I’ve been saying for years that you HAVE to be good enough to take advantage of how the game is now played. It should almost be a given. Average or just okay isn’t good enough. It’s obviously not all on the QB, but their ratings have jumped markedly because of it….even for very average players it’s much easier to put up good stats. JMHO though.
It’s an efficiency rating. The core of the traditional passer rating is mostly about comp. pct., YPA and TD/INT ratio. It’s obvious because the highest rated QBs excel in these areas.
QLHTM
ocalarob says:
June 20, 2018 at 6:03 pm
You’re attempt to prove me wrong at every turn is twisted dude.
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No, we’re basically having one argument that you continually twist and turn into other things. Perfect example is this post of yours. Now you’re turning it personal because you can’t escape the logic.
On that note, we can call a truce if you want. This isn’t personal for me. I just love to argue.
If you love to argue….you found the right guy. 🙂
Three months from right now, a bunch of us will be hanging at Dave & Buster’s and talking about the Dog show the night before.
you can’t kick me in the teeth and call for truce!
this is WAR MO-FO!
I didn’t call for a truce, lol. I offered to stop since you feel I am targeting you.
now you are talking 🙂
Tim,
The league allows holding! It helps the offense. You see it in all the games. It’s not just Wake. They complain about it here in MN with Vikings players too. Lol
You’re probably right I just see it more with Wake being a fan and watching all the games. LOL
Tim, you gotta admit that despite how fired up and bought in we are we keep getting screwed. 16 of last 18 no playoffs we’re jilted.
I buy in every year and without Minkah I would have had a hard time this year.
I don’t go back that far. We made the playoffs in 2016 and I think our roster is better this year. Last year was a shit show and I threw it out. LOL
Apparently Vegas has Adam Gase as the second most likely coach to be the first coach fired this year. I wonder what they feel about the odds of being fired period.
Well then Vegas is wrong, about the odds at least. No way we did what we did unless next year is the actual hot seat absent a meltdown.
M13 i see a conflict of interest for you coming soon when Patrick Surtan’s son grduates from Alabama as the top CB prospect in the nation. Will that be enough for you to pull for us to draft a UA DB? 🙂
Randy says:
June 20, 2018 at 6:22 pm
Tim,
The league allows holding! It helps the offense. You see it in all the games. It’s not just Wake. They complain about it here in MN with Vikings players too. Lol
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Randy what they do to wake is way past the holding thats allowed. I know the difference and can say that wake gets dragged down with the OT having one arm around his neck/head and one hand on his back with a handful of jersey.
Yep!
Oh and i know others get similar treatment, but not on the scale that Wake does. I would be Quinn is going to get similar treatment since they are very similar players. I mean the option there is let your QB get killed by a blindside hit or take a penalty, i guess they are just saying screw it ill take the penalty, but the refs are not calling it and its egregious
Rob, I specifically DIDN’T cherry pick. I gave you every rush Ajayi had in the Baltimore game and the Jets game. And he single-handedly put us in negative down and distance on SIX drives in that game. SIX times on 1st down he put us in a terrible 2nd down position
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why didn’t you include the 200 yard games?
you see this is the kind of crap i have to read from you, this is obviously being biased to my opinion.
it isn’t about Ajayi, you’re bashing him just to prove me wrong.
you’re end result is telling me Ajayi wasn’t that good.
the only reason Ajayi didn’t perform better in the Balt game was that’s the first game moore started and they only gave Ajayi the ball 13 times, same with the jets game, a severe lack of carries for what ever reason.
if you take a look at the 22 games prior to that game we went 13-9 after Ajayi we went 2-7
I’ll take 13-9 over 2-7 all day!
Saying Ajayi was terrible is not smart to put it nicely.
don’t bother responding i’m outta here,
furthermore in those 22 games when Ajayi was given the ball more than 20 times we went 13-0 but i get it….he’s terrible LOL
This post covers it:
CavalierKong says:
June 20, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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Rob, I could have been considered to be cherry picking if the object of my posts were to point out that Ajayi is a shitty RB. That wasn’t my point at all. I think Ajayi is a solid RB who had some bad games last year.
As I stated in one of my posts, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying you are ‘concerned’ about Drake because of some negative runs in a game where he was really solid, but you’ll defend Ajayi to the death when he had whole games last year where he was terrible. I listed 2 of those games in their entirety to emphasize that point.
I don’t think Drake has the power like Ajayi did, the eye test remember? (subjective)
I don’t think he belongs in that back field in the ist quarter on first down.
he’s fast and runs well but not between the tackles.
we need to pick up a steady amount of yardage on 1st down to give us a better chance of tannehill converting 1st downs, we cant be in long down and distance.
now i have seen this with my eyes, i don’t know the stats, but i believe if you check the 1st down runs that Drake had a lot of them were for 1 yard or minus most of the time, i know this because i was kicking the dog everytime it happened and the dog has a limp, (just Joking) I love animals….
anyway i gotta go see all you guys later
Peace, Rob. We may be at odds on this subject, and I am just as stubborn as you, but I respect the fact you can argue and get heated and not get too personal or nasty. I’ll argue with you all day long, and I have tried to give you the same respect and keep it from getting personal.
Cheers bro!
D,
I really don’t think so. Wake doesn’t stand out in my mind to other top edge rushers I watch get held. Watt gets mauled, for instance. But it’s okay. Wake is our guy, and it feels worse anyway. Lol
Tim,
That’s what I mean. The traditional QB rating values specific stats higher than other and doesn’t even consider all the stats or relevant data. But, most people look at that rating and say a QB sis “good” or “bad” when it doesn’t necessarily equate to that because it only looks at certain things. And, the things it looks at have become emphasized and made easier by how the game is now played and called.
Randy, if a QBs numbers are good in those specifics, at least the offense should be pretty good. It’s the core of passing the football – completing more than you don’t, distance per pass and more scores than turnovers. That’s the core of good QB play.
son of a son of a shula says:
June 20, 2018 at 6:02 pm
Salute Mr Piggs
🐽🥓😎
Reply
Wow, just wow. I thought you were friends with piggy. To post dismembered body parts of his kin on here? severed noses and flayed belly flesh…….Just wow.
Honestly I can afford to lose a few pounds
The best explanation of the flaw in the passer rating was this;
If a quarter back throws a perfect touch pass to a RB on a screen and the running back drops it he the QB gets a 39.6 passer rating fro the play.
If the quarterback completes the pass for -3 yards, the running back jukes a couple of guys and runs for 80 yards and a TD the QB gets a perfect 158.3 passer rating……
but that is why it is called the passer rating and not the QB rating. it is an “individual” stat grossly affected by team performance.
(if the guard hadn’t pulled perfectly in the imaginary play above to throw the spring block the RB wouldn’t have scored)
Randy says:
June 20, 2018 at 6:22 pm
Tim,
The league allows holding! It helps the offense. You see it in all the games. It’s not just Wake. They complain about it here in MN with Vikings players too. Lol
You could potentially call it on every play.
The Flying Pig says:
June 20, 2018 at 8:36 pm
Honestly I can afford to lose a few pounds
Reply
That reminds me of the old joke.
Want to lose 10 ugly pounds? Cut off your head.
Where’s Ajayi? LOL
CavalierKong says:
June 20, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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. I think Ajayi is a solid RB who had some bad games last year.
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he didn’t have bad games, he had DC’s game planning to stop him, which should have opened up other areas like it did in 2016.
OBob – Drake averaged 4.6 rushing yards per first down last year. For comparison Anahi averaged 3.9. If you are going to use an eye test, you have to actually watch the whole game not just the pieces you want to see.
i watched the early downs specifically 1st down, because that is when you need the tough yards to put yourself in desirable 2nd and 3rd down situations.
most of his avg YPC came from his long runs.
i’ve said over and over that he’s a good RB but not a bell cow.
And i really think this front office has that same opinion of him, why else would they sign Gore to a 1 M contract if they had confidence in Drake on 1st down.
He would be great on 2nd or 3rd down with a spread offense, he’ll beat any LBer that tries to cover him but you have to put him in the right situation, you can’t pound him up the middle in short yardage situations on 1st down. he gets stuffed too many times.
having 2nd and 9 or worse will kill the whole team, you become predictable and DC’s play the pass because they know you’re in that situation, their DE’s are pinning their ears back, you go 3 and out and your D who just got off the field is back on it again. you fall behind and abandon the run, now you’re in quicksand.
you may even succeed in picking up 2nd and 9, but not on a continual basis
Rockphin says:
June 20, 2018 at 7:41 pm
The best explanation of the flaw in the passer rating was this;
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There doesn’t seem to be a flaw as every year 80 percent of the top QBs in Passer rating are in the playoffs and SB.
How could that be a coincidence?
Kong, you damn dirty ape….it wasn’t Ajayi’s fault!
Can we stop with Ajayi, Suh, Landry and Pouncey. It’s not a big deal. We went 6-10 two out of three years with them. Can we just focus on the current team or is that too much to ask? LOL
Just saying, the convos are getting…….
I don’t know if you read the great blog posted above by the great Mike E….but this blog is about Running Backs
LOL… okay Rob. Such new and exhilarating commentary. 😉
besides that record isn’t broken….yet
Ajayi is the bench mark, and Drake isn’t at that elevation
Drake was actually on a better streak of production than Ajayi was in 2016, so that’s not accurate.
let’s see??? Hmmm…..2-7 vs 10-6…hmmm????
I guess I should clarify. Passer rating is flawed as an individual stat for quarterbacks because it doesn’t isolate the quaterback’s performance from the team performance. It is a very good indicator of the performance of the pass game, but not the QB’s performance.
another example can is this; a QB throws a wild wobbler that slips out of his hand like a benny hill skit and somehow another player catches it and runs 60 yards for a TD. The “QB” is credited with a PERFECT passer rating on the play. Similarly, if a QB dodges 3 blitzers, pulls it down, scrambles, dodges another tackle and then hucks it 60 yard through the air across his body into a tiny window and hits the WR perfectly in the hands while leading him perfectly so as not to break his stride into the endzone but the WR drops it……QB gets a 39.6
Successful pass play bad QB play, unsuccessful pass play awesome QB play.
sounds like a wash to me, i believe taking everything in consideration it works at the end of the day
Sure, it’s imperfect but it is a good indicator of the success of the pass game. Again it doesn’t show the QB’s skill ONLY.
(don’t argue this now Rob….You can use it later in the season to argue that Tannhill’s good passer rating isn’t because of him) LOL 😉
I think the 3rd string LG has a lot to do with Tannehills passer rating
Mike, i was wondering if you could leave this RB blog up until the season starts?? This way we can really get into Ajayis successes.
Oh what fun it will be for everyone!
48% of his runs for 1 yard or less.
and Tannehills 93.6 career best passer rating was the result of those 1 yard runs, they had no one to cover our recs
I guess (statistically) I’m old school as since a little kid and to this day I go into seasons asking only of our QB to please just gimme a two to one TD/int ratio..
I know all that other stuff now exist,
but figure twice as many TD’s to picks should gather some W’s…
Top of my head, think our QB might have had 2/1 once or twice,
And close another time or two..
That’s what I’m looking for as always in o18..
I’d like to see him eclipse 30 TD’s
With one to several fewer than half in int’s…
33 & 16 works for me
With 25 rushing TD’s..
What’s that about 400/25 per..
If the O isn’t quite that productive
I’m sure that ST’s & D ate capable of 50 plus
That goes toward the TEAM in the PF column…
Didn’t the jags or somebody have something like 8 consecutive games with DTD’s last year?? Crazy!!
GOFINS!!!
4000 from QB, with 1100 rushing & receiving mates!!!
GOFINS!!!
That’s all been my early September Christmas list to Santa since childhood!!!
A Healthy DP can easily eclipse 1100 receiving,
If not, Stills neared the century mark when 14 got the grand..
Drake runs somewhat similar to o17 for 16 games,
And he easily gets 1100…
Go 2018 Phins!!! Holy fuck!!!! LOL
Hell YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimminny Crickets, What I miss ???
Yeee Haaa about whatever it was, LOL!!!
Wooo HOOOO, GIGGITTY
GOFINS!!!
Defense!
Brent Grimes II?
Game 1 – put us behind 5 drives
1-10-MIA 38 (11:24) 23-J.Ajayi left end to MIA 38 for no gain (93-D.Philon).
1-10-LAC 31 (9:47) 14-J.Landry up the middle to LAC 38 for -7 yards (20-D.King).
2-2-MIA 20 (2:49) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 18 for -2 yards (93-D.Philon, 51-K.Emanuel). (included this one because we needed two and he fucking lost two)
1-10-MIA 17 (13:35) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 19 for 2 yards (99-J.Bosa).
1-10-MIA 47 (10:52) 23-J.Ajayi left end pushed ob at MIA 46 for -1 yards (95-T.Palepoi).
1-10-MIA 34 (7:13) 23-J.Ajayi right end to MIA 33 for -1 yards (37-J.Addae).
game 2 – put us behind 6 drives
1-10-MIA 46 (12:24) 23-J.Ajayi left end to MIA 44 for -2 yards (33-Ja.Adams). MIA-23-J.Ajayi was injured during the play
2-6-MIA 39 (4:38) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 39 for no gain (92-L.Williams; 56-D.Davis).(2nd down but first run of drive)
2-12-MIA 20 (14:22) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 18 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
2-10-MIA 25 (7:13) (No Huddle) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 23 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).
1-10-MIA 15 (4:06) 23-J.Ajayi right tackle to MIA 17 for 2 yards (96-M.Wilkerson).
2-10-MIA 25 (14:54) 23-J.Ajayi up the middle to MIA 20 for -5 yards (99-S.McLendon).
Every game is like this. I won’t keep this up anymore.
YES these are cherry picked from the first two games, the third game is worse. You just don’t see it or you forgive it in the moment if you do because he was “great” in three games the previous year.
Ajayi had 624 yards in three 200 yard games. in the 9 other games he had 648 yards 72 per game ave. that’s not good. This was BEFORE all the game planning….
qocalarob says:
June 20, 2018 at 9:17 pm
I think the 3rd string LG has a lot to do with Tannehills passer rating
FINALLY you are fucking getting it.
Of course that 3rd string LG was starting on this team, but he ABSOFUCKINGLUTLY impacted Tannehill’s passer rating negatively.
would have been the RG in 16
I think I need a new needle on my turntable. LOL
We have a pretty nice RB group and the OL is a big part of it. TE will open some stuff up too. Let’s hope we’re trending the right way. 🙂
Only when Smythe is on the field, that big slow WR not so much.
JBB! I like Gesicki
^ goofball LOL
“most of his avg YPC came from his long runs.“
He had 355 yards on 77 first down carries, with 10 first downs. So 87% (67 of 77) of his runs were less than 10 YPC. Now, I can see where you might get the impression that he wasn’t effective on 1st down. 51% of those carries went for 3 yards or less. But… Your “bell cow” prototype Ajayi had 400 yards on 102 first down carries (3.9 YPC) with 57% of those carries going for 3 yards. Gore went for less than 3 yards on 58% of his 146 first down carries for 3.8 YPC average.
Gore’s $1 M salary is the league minimum for a 10+ year vet. They wanted a proven veteran back up so I wouldn’t read too much into his signing.
Nice Stats
As an opposing DC in 2016, if you were playing Miami your number 1 focus was to stop Ajayi. that wasn’t the case with Drake in 2017.
Most of Drakes runs came from the shot gun, that’s not a bell cow
Ajayi and Gore are more powerful running backs than Drake IMO
Would you GOOD peeps stop talking about the fictional, Mickey Mouse (Disney owns ESPN) ‘stat’ of “QB Rating”, for crying out loud?!! It’s not recognized by the NFL.
Mickey Mouse has fucked up Star Wars… do y’all REALLY think that Mickey Mouse should have a say in the NFL?
HELL NO!!!
LOL Agreed
😀
Tim Knight says:
June 20, 2018 at 9:49 pm
Brent Grimes II?
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Don’t know if he’ll be Grimes II, but what do I know? I’m the guy who endorsed/introduced him to our Phins, way back in November… and without Old Dolfan giving me the green light. 😉
I know.
The traditional passer rating for most players is a team stat, that’s why the best teams QB has a high rating. When your OL sucks it’s tough for most QBs sans Brady, Rogers, Brees to have a high rating, and I could say something similar about other positions on O.
Look at Carr, last year they sucked and his rating reflected it, compared to the year before when the team was good.
“Traditional passer rating”? There’s only ONE passer rating stat: it’s called passer rating. Just sayin’! 😉
Just meant not ESPNs.
And when that breaks down from time to time they struggle too, it’s the nature of the game.
Question above, why did Gase sign Gore if Drake was a #1 back? I think you need more than 1 RB on your roster to run the ball from game to game, and in pretty sure every team has more than 1.
Don’t worry about it, it will work itself out. 2,000 yards rushing should be the minimum goal. 🙂
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YUP! Don’t care HOW it’s done, just get it done. Again, the ‘magic number’ would be 400+ carries as a team, for the year.
That doesn’t mean that we MUST have 400+ carries, it’s just an indicator of success. Game situations will dictate who, what, where, when, and why.
the team doesn’t throw the ball, The OL can only hold off defenders for a certain amount of time so holding the ball too long is on the QB namely Tannehill.
Like Randy said earlier, the rec’s screw up but on poorly thrown balls they also defend so it’s really a wash.
I’m sure there is a team influence on passer rating…. but how much of an influence is that?
i wouldn’t think that much, it’s mostly on the QB
You have never seen this current team play, none of us have.
Orob, Tim is RIGHT on this one. This current team just might surprise the living daylights out of EVERYONE!
TIME SHALL REVEAL, my Brother! 🙂
No doubt from thou that this o18 team is/will be far better prepared with better starting talent (for the most part via 13 different starter to o17 game one), with overall more talent via serious depth throughout!!!
And I also believe that most greatly underestimate how much all those off-the-field-outside-distractions of o17 weighed upon the previous years 10-6 team!!!
GOFINS!!!
“Most of Drakes runs came from the shot gun, that’s not a bell cow“
Nope. 62 of 133 (47%) of Drakes runs came from the shotgun. Ajayi ran out of the shotgun 47% of his runs.
If I was DC, I would worry more about game planning for the RB with the 4.8 YPC average and home run speed, than the one with 3.9 YPC average and pedestrian speed.
And that home run threat that Drake is– coupled with a new and improved O-Line — is why I truly believe that Drake is going to BEAST this year.
Ditto M
Drake is gonna be a big weapon for this offense. I’m loving him, Gore, and the rookie….
RT17 is back baby!!
Let’s go score some damn points this year!
HELL YEAH, my man, ER!!!
GO PHINS!!!
Alright, it’s past midnight, and I’m stayin’ up for just a bit…
LOVE this song from the 80s, and I’ve ALWAYS been in love with Bay Area music (that’s what I produce)!
MF
Ever hear of Bear West Studios on Howard St SF back in the 70’/80’s
Or engineer Mark Needham
My pops owned BW back in the day, he was a musician too,
I was the BW gopher & roadie for my pops …
Good times met lots of famous musicians!!!
Badly miss the city, and entire Bay Area,
Spent 24 years there, Lived everywhere between Marin & Santa Cruz Counties, MISS IT BADDD!!!
Here’s one I REALLY LOVE!!! And YES, Karyn White are friends! She is such a GRAND woman! I can’t say enough GOOD about her! Only thing that sucks (Mike E knows this)… I’ve never met or talked to Jimmy Jam or Terry Lewis (my musical IDOLS!). They produced this one for my girl Karyn…
*Karyn White and I are friends!
We’ve actually talked to one another on a multitude of occasions. She ROCKS!!!
13kvFINS says:
June 21, 2018 at 12:24 am
MF
Ever hear of Bear West Studios on Howard St SF back in the 70’/80’s
Or engineer Mark Needham
My pops owned BW back in the day, he was a musician too,
I was the BW gopher & roadie for my pops …
Good times met lots of famous musicians!!!
Badly miss the city, and entire Bay Area,
Spent 24 years there, Lived everywhere between Marin & Santa Cruz Counties, MISS IT BADDD!!!
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Ah, man!!! I’m a generation behind ya!
I’ll check out Mark Needham, Bear West, etc…
I CAN tell ya that Marin County produced a LOT of Bay Area rappers. Leila Steinberg represented Shock-G (Humpty Hump/Digital Underground), 2pac, Ray Luv, and many others.
For whatever it may be worth… our man CAV KONG has actually met E-40! I envy that cat!
I lived in Novato/Marin when I first got to CA 1975
Spent a lot of time in San Rafael, San Anselmo, Mt Tamalpias & SF
Chris Hayes was my dad’s guitarist before hitting it big with Huey Lewis/News
When I was thirteen 72 I visited my dad in SF and at that time Peter York of the Monkeys was his guitarist..
Tried to teach me, but I was into sports, made friends and played sandlot ball with the local HS’ers in Height Ashbury Park for the most part of my visit!!!
Peter TORK (of the fricken Monkeys), not york
How cool, I was still watching the Monkeys comedy hour reruns on Saturday mornings
WOW, man!!! You DO have some connect to the music industry… and I can tell that you aren’t just ‘name-dropping’ for the sake of it.
I’ve ALWAYS loved Huey Lewis & the News, and the Monkees! Peter Tork came up here to NEPA about a decade ago for a fest of sorts. I didn’t attend, but it made MAJOR headlines in our region.
I miss Davy (Jones)… he owned property up here in NEPA, which I didn’t know until after his passing. I wish I’d met ANY one of the Monkees, as they are near and dear to my heart.
Cool Bro!!!
Gore was signed for a variety of reasons , none of which are to be our “#1 RB”
1 ) high character PROFESSIONAL
2) Player Coach to teach tounguns how to be above
3) tough as nails in short/ goal line situations
4) a complimentary skill set to the younguns
I see him as a one year investment in the professional and personal development of the RB room.. Amendola also falls into theses categories except for the one year usage..
Gase wanted high caliber professional veterans to influence the locker room , and i am very happy with the direction he went.
GO FINS .. 13-3 baby.
Now off to bed
^^^
13KV,
This is my favorite Monkees song…
Mickey Dolenz, & Mike Nesmith or something like that 😎
LOL, whatever works for ya! 😀
This is my pops on cover of one of his albums,
Scroll down for backside of album band photo,
And you’ll see Chris Hayes and others!!!
Lotta popular/famous musicians of the time contributed to my dads albums/music!!!
I could go on forever!!!
Forgot the link, hope it works
https://www.google.com/search?q=chuck+vincent+shuffle&client=firefox-b&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc65iChOTbAhXtuFkKHeyiDA4QsAQIFQ
mf13ss says:
June 20, 2018 at 10:59 pm
^^^
YUP! Don’t care HOW it’s done, just get it done. Again, the ‘magic number’ would be 400+ carries as a team, for the year.
That doesn’t mean that we MUST have 400+ carries, it’s just an indicator of success. Game situations will dictate who, what, where, when, and why.
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I’m afraid 400 carries won’t get it done, it would be better than last years 360 but the 4 teams in the champ games all had close to 500 and above running plays.
pheloniusphish says:
June 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm
If I was DC, I would worry more about game planning for the RB with the 4.8 YPC average and home run speed, than the one with 3.9 YPC average and pedestrian speed.
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after back to back 200 yard games don’t you think they game planned for ajayi more than they would Drake? wouldn’t the difference in YPC be attributed to the DCs game plan?
sure Drake was faster but it’s like comparing a ferari to a bull dozer, do you need speed or do you need to move earth? you need to move earth on the early downs.
That’s your opinion, don’t take it as fact. I hate in the worst way negative plays, which all RBs get, more than anyone, but it’s really hard to compare 2016 Ajayi to 2017 Drake, because of how bad the OL was in 2017. Comparing the styles is different.
The biggest thing Ajayi lacked was pass catching a trait Gase wants, backed up by our top 3 backs all be able to run and catch.
3 interchangeable RBs, a TE that can actually threaten a D, Gase must be beeming.
I think DC’s did game planned for both of them, because they wanted Miami throwing the ball. And, yes, I think Drake scares them more than Ajayi. If anything they stacked the box more against Drake last year because Tannehill made him them pay in 2016 before he went out, whereas Cutler didn’t scare anyone. Ajayis’s 200 yard games were anomalies. When opponents loaded the box, they stopped Ajayi and his stats outside of those three games became pedestrian. They also stacked the box against Drake last year, but were unable to stop him. Especially on early downs, when he was much better than Ajayi.
Ajayi wasn’t much of a threat catching the ball end of story.
Rob – There’s no set number of carries necessary. Most of the teams I looked at had about 400-475 carries, and remember that each time a QB kneels down in victory formation, that counts as a carry, so that balloons the count somewhat. I’m sure we’ll end up over 400 this year if we make a commitment to run the ball, and we’re not behind by 2 TD’s in every game
When you win 12 games you get a lot of extra rushes you wouldn’t get on a 6-10 team, so while the top teams had a lot more rushes than we had, it most likely wasn’t the reason they won, but a product of winning.
That goes hand in hand with our winning when we rush for more than 25 times. Let’s say on any typical day we run it 17 times through 3 qtrs, then in the 4th when ahead we run it 8+ times, and less when we’re behind…
Chuck Klingbiel, former Dolphin, dead at age 52. RIP.
Played in Coach Shula’s 300th win.
Yeah, just saw that this morning. That sucks, way too young. RIP Chuck
Hero of Shula’s 300th win, scored a TD.
“Ajayi wasn’t much of a threat catching the ball end of story.”
Which is what makes Drake a better, more complete back, especially on early downs. If you don’t stack the box, he’s liable to rip off a long touchdown run. If you do stack the box, a wide out is likely to get behind your defense. And if you cove the WR, Drake is liable to slip out of the backfield and turn a short pass into a long gain.