I was watching Good Morning Football this morning on NFLN, and after showing highlights of the Panthers vs Bucs (42-28), and Saints vs Rams (45-35), yeah, it looks pretty wrong seeing 13-6, Dolphins over Jets. Kay Adams and Kyle Brandt presented it as a good ole 1990’s defensive struggle, a throwback. They got it all wrong, this wasn’t a defensive struggle, it was an offensive struggle. Jets rookie QB Sam Darnold didn’t get the memo that his team was wearing the white jerseys, because he threw better passes to the dark jerseys than he did to the white jerseys. If you want to credit our pass rush, which actually existed yesterday, feel free to do so. On our side, we couldn’t block (run or pass), we got one defensive TD and two FG’s. Light it up!
I’m not singling anyone out here, but our O-line play was just terrible, and of course as per usghe, injuries were the reason for this. Both tackles missed time in this game forcing Zach Sterup to man both the RT spot when James was hurt, and then slide over to the LT spot when James came back in and Laremy Tunsil got hurt. So now Brock Osweiler, who I will say has better pocket awareness than Ryan Tannehill has ever had, has no pocket awareness because players were on him in 1 second or less. Our O-line isn’t good with all our starters in there, but subtract one of our tackles, who are our 2 best OL, Tunsil #1, James #2, it really goes downhill.
I don’t want to knock the optimists here, because it’s wonderful that fans can still believe we’re in this, but I laugh inside (a sad laugh) when fans say “Oh, not good, the Chargers won, gonna be tough to catch them”. From what I have seen this year, we don’t belong on the same field as the Chargers, they score 28 PPG, and we’ve scored more just once this year, in OT, and never more in regulation. We’ve had injuries, but we still have Devante Parker, Kenny Stills, Jakeem Grant, David Amendola, and Mike Gesicki. We have Frank Gore and Kenyan Drake, a formidable 1-2 punch, yet our offense is putrid. Yeah, we’re 5-4, easily the worst 5-4 team in the NFL. We’re the only 5-4 team.
My guess is we’re probably going to have Brock Osweiler as QB one more time as we hit the BYE week, and then after the BYE, it will be Ryan Tannehill’s team once again. We travel this week to Wisconsin to take on the Packers in their house. This is an angry Pack team, having lost to the Patriots in Foxboro. Anyone know who the OC is for GB? Tee-hee, it’s Joe Philbin. Not even kidding. Possibly, this explains how the GB Packers are only scoring 24 PPG, just a few more than our Dolphins. Hey, is it bad that Saints WR Michael Thomas accounted for more yardage and scoring by himself with 211 yards and 1 TD, while we accumulated as a team 203 yards and no TD’s?
It’s easy for Belichick to do whatever he wants, he’s beyond reproach at this point, no one questions the master. How smart does he look using Cordarrelle Patterson as a RB? Can we get some of that ingenuity from our offensive genius Adam Gase? Don’t bet on it. I wish he would read this and it would inspire him, but I won’t bet on that either! I wish something would inspire him, maybe keeping his job, something like that.
I know Toba, Bookman and ER are attending the GB game, I hope they enjoy and I hope our team gives them a great game to watch and a Dolphins victory! Enjoy fellas, way to represent!
Finsmob Unleashed 
If Tannehill hit FA, he wouldn’t be unemployed long.
Stanger – Yes, I am a hardcore 2nd Amendment guy. I believe it is the only thing that ensures all,of the other amendments. As for the NRA, they’re the lefts bogeyman. They have not been relevant for a long time and have been losing money for years. To the point that they have been laying people off pretty regularly.
Left’s bogeyman for real solid reasons on that issue. Those guys are so very, very good. Not surprised they are having to lay people off though. Less threat to the base 2nd amend stuff than any time during my lifetime. From a funding standpoint, best thing for the NRA would have been the DC handgun case going the other way, Hillary as Pres and two new Ginsbergs on the high 9 instead of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
I know Mike. I was just rubbing some salt in our proverbial wounds.
It worked!
It’s rather funny how all here have Tannehill out the door and we’re drafting a QB next year, The problem is I don’t think the people that make those decisions would agree.
I highly doubt any of that happens next year, Gase has his QBs, he seems to lean towards veterans at that position.
They will fill needs in Fa and the draft and it doesn’t appear they think the QB position is a position of need.
Stop highly doubting me dammit!
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I don’t disagree, but I think it be because the rising QB class is very thin.
ORob,
No fairly new HC who’s job may already be in jeopardy wants to go with a rookie draftee at QB. Plus, Gase’ reputation is based on his supposed history of helping QBs win. So, why on Earth would he ever want to get rid of a veteran QB he hitched his wagon to who he thinks can, at least, get him 8-9 wins a year and possibly keep him employed? If he goes away from Tannehill, he may never get another HC job in this league, and his made up reputation of developing QBs is gone. Gase really has no choice than to stick with Tannehill.
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Besides, he’s supported several players who he cut or let go later on.
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And that’s why Gase will fail.
I think its just the opposite, when he took the job it was something he told them he could do, work with the guy that they had already designed the contract to get rid of, so the FO isnt sold on Gase, but Gase told them that he thought he could make the Tanny situation work. All he has to do is admit it hasn’t worked out, they we skeptical in the first place otherwise the last contract wouldn’t have been structured that way and this contract wouldn’t have been structured as it is to give them a somewhat manageable out this next year.The easiest way to buy himself another year is to tell them that he gave it his best, it didnt work out and that he can deliver with a rookie. That will buy him 2 more years of time (an it would be the end of his contract with no buyout needed to fire him (Gase)). IMO it makes a ton more sense that if Gase wants to save his job, moving on is his best chance.
sorry not sold on Tanny
If Tannehill his FA, he wont be getting paid 26mil next year either. Sure he’s employable, but so are a bunch of other QB’s how cant be starters.
He’ll be competing with Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater, Josh McCown, Ryan Fitzpatrick etc
At least two of those guys gives you more than Tanny does, especially as a mentor.
The point isnt anything about the 13mil dead money, its the 13mil savings and yes we can get a guy who would give us at least what we get from Tanny for less than 13mil. We could get and upgrade and placeholder for 7-10 mil. thats 3-7mil in savings counting the dead money hit. We dont benefit one bit from retaining Tanny without we get him to reduce his cap him to 6-10mil. Id be completely OK keeping him at that rate, but i still think we could do better. We wouldn’t have to worry about system adjustment, but i think thats an overblown thing anyways. QB’s do it all the time, especially the journeyman type that we would be looking for for next year.
The stuff about Gase not wanting to risk that doesnt really hold water either because business men look more forward than just the next year. If the plan was to move on to another QB, you can guarantee they would basically give Gase a free pass on next year anyways so he wouldn’t be worrying over that. If he sticks with Tanny and that 26mil contract, he has a much more likelihood to not get another year than if he doesn’t.
Im not saying i think Tanny will or wont be here next year, but i am saying him being here next year with a 26mil total cap hit, would be a big mistake. Other people have to make those decisions but i dont have to say its the right or the smart decision if he does.
Also i dont know if you guys are thinking playoffs next year, but we wont be there with our without Tanny, so if you are thinking that keeping Tanny means we can push for the playoffs next year, you are really just lying to yourselves.
Terrible what happened in Cali. So sad.
Its apparently a popular place for several surrounding colleges so it was pretty packed. I also read that the place is supposed top have pretty good security too, comparatively speaking to other clubs in the area. He just walked straight up, took out the door girl, went in and took out the security guy, and then just waded in to the patrons. A cop was killed a the first responder and they said he got shot multiple times right after he went inside..45 caliber pistol, extended mag, and he also went through it and reloaded a time or two.
He knew what he was doing. Senseless.
LOL – Sounds like pretty specific answers to me . . .
Right?!! LOL
aren’t they always?
I think there are probably 3 specific matters (probably MORE) that people aren’t going to change their minds on…
1) Abortion
2) #2A
3) Death penalty
So why bother getting into these to begin with, on this blog? These are DIVISIVE issues.
I agree that they are things that people have strong feelings about, but i dont think they are divisive unless you let them be. These are opinions, sometimes based on faith but many time just on a person personal code of ethics.
Religion can be a veru divisive thing, but the divisiveness is usually about dogma of the religion, not so much about the ethics of it. Many people, even those who are atheist have a moral code and its usually pretty close to the same one that religious people have. Differeing religious groups generally share the same moral coade, its just the application/rules of those codes that are different.
I also think abortion is outside political affiliation as well, or i like to believe it is. If politics tells you what life is important and what isnt, then i question that persons heart. You shouldn’t have to be told by a people with the same political affiliation as you, which stance on which life to value you are on.
Whatever came of the Amerson visit, and did we even kick the tires on Irvin? I saw he is back with Quinn for the Falcons but i was kind of hoping he would at least visit with us and let us see if he would be worth signing.
He was notified of a certain stalker and immediately left town. 🙂
Good move!
LOL 🙂
M134 i think those issues are just no win issues because no one is going to flip their opinion on those subjects because they are too core to their personal beliefs. They can be discussed all day, and people who dont let them be will not be divided by those issues, but again, the point would be why start the argument about them, since there wont be any change in beliefs. I dont think though there is any real harm in discussing them.
Whoa, sorry i gave you an extra digit there. Typo
Is anyone gonna change their opinion on Tannehill?
I have. Several times this week alone.
We are all different, but I actually really enjoy discussing such topics. I’ll fight over facts to the death and way too long, but always come into such talks with the thought of “why does this person feel so differently from me” and see it as a chance to learn. Don’t see it as a whose right thing. More an opportunity for understanding where the other person is coming from.
LOL, but your opinion certainly will remain the same (not just YOU, Stanger).
It’s a futile effort in all but like 1% of those who don’t have convictions.
So why poke the bear?
Cause am not trying to change opinions as if there was any ever chance, but see it as a chance to learn where the other person is coming from. Long ago gave up on my words would cause someone to flip a switch to what I think.
Phelon – FTR – I have changed my mind on him quite a few times, but I think at some point this season, maybe a few weeks ago, that it’s time to move on
I changed my mind on him a few times too, but it was a gradual change, like i said i was as locked into an optimistic/Tanny lover stance as anyone could be early on, ut there was a point at which i started holding him accountable for some of the things that he did wrong and not excusing it as caused by someone else. From that point my opinion of him began to slide to the point to where im just like, nope, thats enough for me.
ElephantRider says:
November 8, 2018 at 5:12 pm
He was notified of a certain stalker and immediately left town. 🙂
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stangerx says:
November 8, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Cause am not trying to change opinions as if there was any ever chance, but see it as a chance to learn where the other person is coming from. Long ago gave up on my words would cause someone to flip a switch to what I think.
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Does it serve you in any way, shape, or form where another is politically coming from, I’d ask? I think it should NOT! So long as we’re all Phins fans, it matters NOT! Right?
I at least think it serves me. But remember my job used to be politics. Maybe just still a hobby for me like the Phins are.
I’m NOT trying to be harsh on ya, my MAN! I’m just sayin…
Don’t get you trying to harsh on me at all. Just explaining where I am coming from. But you are absolutely right there are a bunch of topics to tread lightly about.
Something did not know….. and assume it means Stills is ready to start.
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Wide receiver Kenny Stills will play at Lambeau Field for the first time in his career Sunday. Stills’ father, Ken Stills, was a defensive back in the NFL for six seasons (1985-90) and the first five of those came with the Green Bay Packers.
“It’s exciting,” Stills said Thursday. “My pops played for the Packers for five years. It’s going to be pretty cool for me to go there. I know he’ll be there this weekend with my little brothers and stuff. I’m excited. It’ll be a big game for us.”
As it turns out, Lambeau Field is one of only three NFL stadiums in which Stills hasn’t played a game.
https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/top-news-kenny-stills-looking-forward-to-first-game-at-lambeau
I’ve also changed my stance on RT17…back and forth.
I’m firmly now ready to move on. Hes the best QB on the roster but that’s not saying much.
I’d be fine if hes here next year as long as they bring in another youngin to go with Falk. Maybe even 2 more….
I’ve never changed my opinion on Tanny
He is the same QB he was at A&M.
Stranger – Keep on being open to discussion. We’re not in a debate group that looks to change minds. But we can all learn something and maybe get a little understanding of someone else’s position. Unless they’re socialist.
LOL, I think you just STRUCK at a certain % on this board, Phelon.
I’m trying to UNITE us PHIN FANS, as opposed to destroying our collective fandom via politics.
Well I sure as heck ain’t a socialist. So should work. Discussion helps all involved….. preaching not so much.
I think Gase will be here for a least another year. That wasn’t my point. It hurts his reputation and possibly future as a HC for him to say he isn’t behind Tannehill. That screams that he screwed up and couldn’t get him to the next level and maybe he isn’t a QB/offensive wizard. He is never going to admit Tanny isn’t the real deal and his guy because it reflects directly on him. Now, if it just so happpens that the narrative changes to Tanny being injured and a health risk….well…then, it wasn’t Gase who screwed up, was it?
Thank you for being my retarded echo, buddy! LOL
And no, I didn’t mean that in the way you’d think. 🙂
My take on Tannehill now is he has become unreliable. Whether the injuries were freak and unfortunate he’s missed and missing a lot of games. Also his last two games not being good ones doesn’t help his status. We’ll see what happens the rest of the season and how the team views him and his big salary in 2019. But I would not be surprised if the entire QB depth chart changes next year.
M13,
I’m still torn on Gase. There are things I like and things I don’t, but he is still a new coach. I get that. He can still get better. I just wish we’d seen more “better” by now. That said, he tied himself to Tanny, and he can’t go back now. Frankly, I would be pissed at him if he didn’t stand behind his QB. I expect it from him. I see no way it helps his reputation to admit he was either wrong on Tannehill all along or seen as the coach who was hired to take him to the next level but couldn’t. Not good either way for him, professionally.
Tannhill’s shoulder apparently being worse than originally thought gives Gase an out. He can make the case I’m not sure we can rely on him anymore and need to bring in competition. That could be another vet next year, a draft pick, possibly Osweiler and Falk all competing.
I’m sure there are going to be a lot of discussions about it in the offseason before the bonuses kick in and he’s on the books. Gase’s job is for the betterment of the entire football team, not loyalty to one player and a QB he believed in but can’t rely on anymore. That’s where the NFL is a tough business comes in.
Seems I was pocket dialing Festers today. Sorry Mike E and Sonny.
Soooo, just so I have this straight, tribalism is a term that shouldn’t be used because it may be belittling to some but apparently a term like retarded is fine and dandy?
Absolutely unbelievable.
Tim,
I hesitate to call Tanny an injury risk because he’s had some rough luck, but at this point he simply isn’t on the field enough. I think it would be irresponsible of the team to not address the QB situation in some way. Osweiler is not the future, and he’s an average backup too. I see no reason to keep him around either unless you just want a cheap placeholder. I think they really have to do something….even if they keep Tanny.
I think they will. Luke Falk is a dark horse because he does have traits scouts like and Gase has said he likes a lot about his game. But like many QBs who get drafted late or go undrafted they obviously have limitations.
Was just listening to Mike Francesa the other day and the subject came up that he personally knows one of the sports doctors (who did and maybe still does) who gives physicals and assessments on draft prospects. He said that doctor told him Tom Brady was the worst physical specimen he’d ever evaluated and could not imagine how this guy would survive in this league. But Brady worked his ass off in every way possible to improve his mobility, arm strength, mechanics, all of it. The competitor in him pushed his limited natural physical ability to another level and that along with his game smarts is the guy we know now. So you never know where that next guy will come from.
The ironic thing about Luke Falk is he was drafted the same round by the Titans 6th rd and the same #199 as Brady. LOL
pheloniusphish says:
November 8, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Rock – Your first point is correct, and especially so with veterans. The culture is suck it up buttercup, so they rarely willingly seek help. Your other two points are wrong
Phelon, I’m not just talking about violet crime and mental illness. There is a huge population of homeless people that have severe mental health issues but cannot or will not pay for it or have family that will. That is well documented. I’m not saying necessarily that the shooter today is of this group. There a lot of homeless that should be in mental heath facilities, but there are very few to no state run facilities left anymore. (Whether asylums were beneficial is a whole other argument. ) But society as a whole in the USA has / is failing the mentally ill.
Agreed. We kind of treat mental illness like animals in nature leave the weak behind.
You guys realize that Tannehill already has the 13 million in dead money? that’s why it’s deat? you get that right? He already has the money in his account guys, it is bonus that is prorated over the length of the contract extension he did last year to free up cap for the team. His pay next year is 13 mil.
Just a friendly reminder from someone who has worked with the seriously mentally ill and the homeless for 30 years, the individuals I’ve worked with find it extremely insulting and harmful to simply be lumped in with the individuals who commit these horrific crimes as if all mentally ill people are the same and are risks to do something of this nature. It also perpetuates the stigma of the mentally ill as being “dangerous” and suggests they are “these people” who could blow up at any minute and kill us all. It simply is not the truth…and paints a whole lot of very wonderful people with an extremely broad and vicious brush. It can be very damaging, and I have seen that damage first hand. I have had clients tormented by having to answer questions from family, friends, coworkers or even employers who know they suffer from mental illness and expect them to somehow explain how someone could do something like that…..or worse yet….ask them if that is something they could or would ever do simply because they have a mental illness. It is extremely shaming and very stigmatizing.
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I’m not preaching…I hope….just sharing what it’s like for those groups of people…..whose lives are typically already extremely shaming and difficult…..no offense intended towards anyone.
I think that stems from anyone who has decided to kill innocent people has mental issues. Not meaning they are all the same.
Not all mentally Ill are mass murderers but all mass murderers are mentally ill
I was going to go with not all idiots are Dolphin’s fans but all Dolphin’s fans are idiots.
Same thing, right?
idiot masochist
whichever
I am in middle of jury selection so I have not been on much this week. However I did have a significant medical exam this week including a PET scan and I wanted to share with my fellow mobsters that it came back clean. No sign of the tumor. Now back to trial prep
I believe the deserves some superlative profanity
FUCKING A YEAH! Love it man!
Good to hear, Ken.
Great news Hulk!! Very happy to hear that!
Should be a good game tonight, despite the fact that TNF blows chunk!
Great to hear Ken!
Don’t worry they will eventually ask that question that will get you kicked off the Jury!
No I am the guy asking the jurors the questions
That’s funny Wyo, at first I thought the same thing, then I said DOH! He’s the lawyer. lol
Well then your just at work for Christ’s sake!
Thanks for all the well wishes
Ken, you being a lawyer I’m surprised you’re still there. No lawyers want a lawyer as a juror or do they? I got kicked off immediately one time for being in marketing and advertising. The seat wasn’t even warm yet and I was out. LOL
No, he’s the lawyer that’s going weeding out the jurors he wants and doesn’t want
Oh I get it. He’s the lawyer making the selections. Duh! LOL
I have seen some lawyers on juries. It’s not common but it happens
Ken, that’s awesome! We just got back from Mayo yesterday with equally good news as all tests results show continued improvement. Cautiously very happy.
Excellent news Krishna. Keep the faith and my best regards to you and your wife
Thank you, sir.
Great news Ken!
Great news Krishna!
Glad to hear Krishna! That’s excellent!!
Krishna and Ken glad to hear good news for both of you and your families.
One for the good guys!
Great news for both Ken and Mrs Krishna. That’s a true win win in my book.
Thank you all! I will pass these wishes on to Mrs. Krishna. We firmly believe in the butterfly effect and welcome its power.
With no disrespect to Herd, the above comment was meant for all…..not sure how I it got captured.
We are grateful.
Son what up with your boy?
He looks like Fig Newton not Superman??????
Crash Jenson is on FB saying Cam looks hungover.
Ben is chucking it tonight something we need to do.
Some of what I have been reading to catch up over the last few days gives me a sense of hope. If discussions, the sharing of ideas, while fiercely, but civilly, defending one’s position with reason, thoughtfulness, and humor by everyone on a Dolphin’s blog gives me pause.
I agree with stangerx….the dialogue enriches my understanding and makes me look at a position from a perspective I may never considered. …I learn.
Therefore, i don’t believe we must stay stuck in our tribe….especially politically in two. Their’s too much diversity….and so many solutions.
It starts with healthy disourse. Kudos to this blog!
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There’s……..discourse. ….
Randy – PTSD/ mental illness/ whatever is no excuse for what the asshat in SoCal did. Doesn’t matter that he was a Marine or a that he served in Afghanistan. He woke up and decided to be evil. Fuck him.
KEN and Mrs. Krishna keep on rockin’
Good to hear, Krishna.
mf13ss says:
November 8, 2018 at 6:21 pm
LOL, I think you just STRUCK at a certain % on this board, Phelon.
I’m trying to UNITE us PHIN FANS, as opposed to destroying our collective fandom via politics.
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How’s that? We’re discussing current events. Civilly. Unless you are a socialist. I have no use for socialist.
And why do you put some words in all caps? Very annoying.
Great to hear Ken!
Also great to hear Krishna!
I’m glad to hear good news for both Ken and Krishna. Nothing better than to hear healthy news.
FYI Wisconsin festers
Thanks Piggi
I emailed him, hope spots are left
Thanks Piggí
Tell him “The Flying Pig” sent you…lol
SUPER NEWS FOR KEN AND MRS. KRISHNA!!
Maybe there’s still hope for the Fins this Sunday in Green Bay??
Of course there is hope! I have a one game winning streak attending Dolphins games at Lambeau! LOL
That’s funny. ..thank you OD.
1-4″ of snow up here today. 38 degrees and possible snow showers on Sunday.
So painfully obvious that we need to draft a QB. Even if Tannehill was on the Steelers now, he doesn’t have that DNA, he’s a careful guy, he’s not made for this high scoring air it out league. Osweiler isn’t good enough either. Must draft a QB
The question is who? Is there a rising QB who is worth a ransom to trade up for? Do you wait and take one later?
I always skeptical about trading up
Even more so – trading up for QBs
Everyone is saying Herbert (Oregon) is the top QB
I also hear ramblings about Lock (Missouri) Greir (WV) Finley (NC State) and Stidham (auburn) Haskins (Ohio state) and Patterson (Michigan) & Browning (Washington)
Everyone will have an opinion on who is 1st round worthy if you ask in November – and you will get a lot of different responses
But come March or April – it will be a little clearer whether some one is worth investing in with a trade up or even a first rounder at all
Honestly – I don’t think it would be crazy to take OL or pass rusher in the first and take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd with an eye at taking a QB again early on 2020 and having those guys compete with each other
You need a solid starter and a Solid backup
The last couple of years Osweiler and Cutler have been our #2 – yuk
stangerx says:
November 8, 2018 at 3:47 pm
Left’s bogeyman for real solid reasons on that issue. Those guys are so very, very good. Not surprised they are having to lay people off though. Less threat to the base 2nd amend stuff than any time during my lifetime. From a funding standpoint, best thing for the NRA would have been the DC handgun case going the other way, Hillary as Pres and two new Ginsbergs on the high 9 instead of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
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Man, I am glad I didn’t read this last night. That last sentence is the stuff of nightmares!
I may need to go buy 1,000 rounds of ammo for one of my guns just to recover.
Phelon – Doesn’t have to be 1st RD, just identify a guy who has “it”, a gunslinger with arm talent. Game managers, at least in the current NFL are lost.
for Tannehills huge salary, he’s the 17th highest paid QB.
Legal or no?
For today
And just today, can you guys call me
“Piggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”
Make sure you get the write number of “e”s too
Hmmmm….How about we just call you Bacon for a day?
i was thinking “pork chop”
Since when has Tannehill been a careful guy?
Mike – I think it’s more the play calling than RT’s abilities.
Phelon, was there ever a time during Tannehill’s tenure you looked at him as a gunslinger?
No, but then was ever allowed to be? Let’s face it….it’s not like Miami has had anything but cautious coaches during RT’s time.
SB – careful as in reluctant to take chances throwing the ball past 10 yards
Gase has decided he wants a dink and dunk, “get the ball in the hands of playmakers” offense in hopes they will break off a big play. And occasionally they do, but that’s no way to consistently score lots of points. And too much of Gase’s dink and dunk is too close to the line of scrimmage. To Gase, intermediate routes are 5-yards deep, not 10-15.
i doubt that’s the case this week, osweiller said he’s going to have to pull out all the stops to keep pace with rodgers.
Well, then Gase will need to be fired, so he can dink and dunk somewhere else. Ball must be thrown past 10 freaking yards!
not sure why we are having a tannehill debate, he was 3-2 this year and the 2 games that were lost were on the ol playcalling and defense.
i can guarantee one thing, he will be on this team for the rest of this year.
and if he does play again this year we should wait till seasons end to judge him.
i don’t see him as injury prone, it was a freak thing in cincy and he was trying to make a play.
Rob – you’re killing me!
i “highly doubt” that
I can’t find it now, which is pissing me off, but I just read an article that was not Dolphins centric but was talking about quarterback needy teams and how they are screwed because there are no franchise level QB’s going to be available in the 2019 draft.
Something pissing Rock off!?! Say it ain’t so!
but then again they said the same thing the year Alex Smith was taken #1 overall and we picked Ronnie Brown #2 overall and Green bay picked Aaron Rogers #24 overall……
I’m not saying there are
I don’t know
But I’m saying that statement has been said before in years past – or the opposite, and it has never been reliable
I actually like this year’s prospects better than last year
But last year I was told through most outlets it was a good year for QBs
The year that was predicted to be the best in recent years gave us Luck, RG3, Tannehill and Weeden in the first round
And the lesser QBs taken later: Wilson and Cousins may actually be closer to the franchise QBs
People miss this mark all the time
I’m not saying that reading reports and analysis is not productive – it is
But predicting a “franchise QB” is a tough one to make and more often than not – wrong
You can predict who has the talent and skill set to succeed in the nfl though
So forget about predicting who is the next franchise
And instead look at the measurables and take the plunge of you need to
Let’s not forget the year they passed on drafting Drew Brees, then passed on him again in FA.
Agreed dink and dunk is not going to get it done this week.
wyoming85 says:
November 8, 2018 at 6:02 pm
I’ve never changed my opinion on Tanny
He is the same WR he was at A&M.
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There i fixed it for ya.
Also as an alternate plan we could drop his pau to 8mil a year and play him at WR, i mean its not like he isnt use to getting hit.
I’ve never seen him play a down at WR!
But I have watched his QB play a lot!
the key to beating greenbay is with burke and his defense, we cant let wrs run free like we did in houston
I think you almost have play man against GB because Rodger’s scrambling. And you have to spy Rodgers to keep him from running.
maybe spy him with Baker
herdfan says:
November 8, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Soooo, just so I have this straight, tribalism is a term that shouldn’t be used because it may be belittling to some but apparently a term like retarded is fine and dandy?
Absolutely unbelievable.
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For the record im from the south so i am pro tribalism and retardation 🙂
the key to drafting a qb is accuracy, you search for the most accurate passer in the draft, the rest is easy.
And arm strength, because you can’t teach it.
Falk was very accurate at Washington and we picked him up on waivers
I think accuracy is one of the most important attributes
But, the numbers can be skewed by dink and dunk offenses that can be very productive in college
However – if QB is not accurate, it’s a big red flag to me
So I’m careful to praise accurate QBs in college too much
But I really hate inaccurate ones
Tannehill has played like this for so long, I don’t think that all of a sudden he can be a different guy. Very possible his coaches have ruined him, but ruined he is.
He can be assimilated. We’ll send him to a re-education camp.
I agree with Piggi
What did Bacon say?
That the experts who say this is a weak QB class aren’t necessarily correct
“Crisp, crackle and pop”
Yep, spy him with Baker. Although Kiko might be better. He’s fast enough and a better tackler.
Rockphin says:
November 8, 2018 at 6:53 pm
pheloniusphish says:
November 8, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Rock – Your first point is correct, and especially so with veterans. The culture is suck it up buttercup, so they rarely willingly seek help. Your other two points are wrong
Phelon, I’m not just talking about violet crime and mental illness. There is a huge population of homeless people that have severe mental health issues but cannot or will not pay for it or have family that will. That is well documented. I’m not saying necessarily that the shooter today is of this group. There a lot of homeless that should be in mental heath facilities, but there are very few to no state run facilities left anymore. (Whether asylums were beneficial is a whole other argument. ) But society as a whole in the USA has / is failing the mentally ill.
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IMO mental illness is something that while a burden economically to address should be budjeted for and offered as a free service. We should make some room to treat those that are in this spot for several reasons.
The upfront cost isnt as significant as the long term cost of not treating them. As Rock said many of the mentally ill find themselves unable to maintain a job, therefore an income and therefore wind up homeless. Homless are destitute with backs against the wall so crime is a natural progression in their life, even if the crime is petty vagrancy. Think of the man hours of the police dealing with this issue. Think of the property damage and falling property values. Think about the victims of the crimes.Obviously its not just the homeless its othesr still contributing members of society that also unable to manage their issues and maybe too proud or unable to seek medical attention,
if it were free and confidential maybe more come forward for help. There is no way you can say that the cost of treatment for these people outweights the lives lost, or the crime that coule be prevented, or the loss of productive members of society. Short term year it is going to look hella expensive, but look at the friggin big picture, this is going to save tons in the long run.
I’ll let Randy speak to the potential for the mentally ill to voluntarily submit themselves for treatment. I’ll just say that there currently exists a lot of free and confidential options. They are just under-utilized. As for treatment facilities, are we talking involuntary commitals? Not that I necessarily disagree with that, but it does run counter to most of our constitutional rights. And the asylum/treatment facility has been abused in the past. One of the reasons they have mostly gone away is that they are sometimes, at least seemingly, inhumane. And mental illness is not something that can “cured.” Treated, yes, but that is a lifetime endeavor.
As for homelessness, to try to pin it to one cause is futile. I would say a lot, if not most, is caused by substance abuse. Now you may consider that a mental illness or bad life decisions. I don’t know.
If we spy Rodgers, make sure the guy can disrupt the pass like Jamal Adams did last week. Be was in the passing lane a s deflected at least 3 throws
We have the safety talent to do it.
I see probably 3 guys that i feel strongly could become franchise level QB’s in this next draft and one dark horse guy that i have had my eye on since his freshman year in college.
This board hates me and even when i refresh the page it still keeps me in the reply boxy when it shows me adding a new post.
I think accuracy is a refinable talent. If there is a guy who is accurate but not as accurate as you want for NFL, i dont see that as a n issue that cane be resolved. A lot of ime that accuracy issue is a mechanics issue. Being able to diagnose a defense, is important and its a hard skill to teach so being more developed in that way to me is a puls. Arm strength is a big thing because Phelon said, it cant be taught and it really cant be improved on. Pocket awareness is another thing that is very difficult to teach, so having some natural ability there is important. To me i look at a QB as set of weighted pluses and minuses, but im not really down on any one of the guys unless they severely lack in one of the more important natural ability ones because thats going to really limit the QB’s ceiling and its going to make the road to competitive a lot steeper slope.
It can probably be taught
But ho many teachers have tried to teach something that the pupil rejects
Couple years into college the average blue chip prospect has heard it all already
If they are still inaccurate – it might be a bigger issue
D says:
November 9, 2018 at 9:46 am
I see probably 3 guys that i feel strongly could become franchise level QB’s in this next draft and one dark horse guy that i have had my eye on since his freshman year in college.
Posting in third person, yer Majesty?
ocalarob says:
November 9, 2018 at 9:18 am
i was thinking “pork chop”
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I’m going with “Squigglydick”
the old cork screw
Phelon I guess they didn’t believe the “cold dead hand” comments?
Yeah, the socialist state of Maryland fucked that up to a fare thee well.
Or they just accepted the terms of his reply.
They went totally Krystallnacht on him. Showed up banging on his door in the wee hours of the morning. All on the word of an extended relative.
I wasn’t necessarily speaking to his reply. As I was to the gun owners as a groups reply!
It is a good strategy though.
Pit 2 of your hated foes against each other!
I just think you can’t predict HOFers, record breakers or franchise QBs
But you can predict who has the tools to succeed
drew brees doesn’t have great arm strength, but he is accurate, Jeff George had arm strength so did ryan leaf, out of those three who do you take?
JaMarcus Russel anyone?
IMO thats a big difference in the two. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, and Jeff George all had one thing in common. Egotistical lazy guys who got by on talent and talent only. They were accurate in college. Tebow was a 67% passer in college.
Drew Brees arm strength is pretty good too though. Its not a on or the other thing. They are both important.
i take accuracy above all other standards when deciding on a QB, it’s the hard part of throwing a football, most starting college qbs have decent arm strength anyway.
look at the jets qb, he threw a lot of picks in college and is now leading the nfl in that category.
he has an accuracy problem
Accuracy coming out of college doesnt necessarily lead to accuracy in the NFL. I have seen guys go from 50%’er in college to 65+ in the NFL and vice versa. Its all about taking the coaching and putting it to work. I dont care what their attributes are in college, you cannot predict what kind of guy they will be in the pro’s.
Drew Brees himself was barely a 60% passer in college, but he is a 68% passer in the pro’s.
it’s a crap shoot anyway, you have to try to increase your odds by a certain protocol, what is that protocol? to me it’s accuracy, it’s the hardest part of the position, leading a guy on a pass and being accurate takes skill. arm strength is more of a miniscule factor because there’s not a lot of difference in college qbs today.
are you going to draft a qb who has a little better arm strength but has a 10% less accuracy rating than the other guy?
which guy do you draft?
when the draft rolls around look at the accuracy of all the prospects, the one with the best accuracy is the one who will make it in the nfl
Baker Mayfield. He will be fine, even in Cleveland..
Its not just one thing, there are a lot of intangible stuff too. Accuracy isnt the end all be all, neither is arm. The accuracy issue might be mechanics too which means they can be improved on. I dont disagree its an important stat but i dont think it tells you the success of the QB in the NFL
Mike E. says:
November 9, 2018 at 9:13 am
SB – careful as in reluctant to take chances throwing the ball past 10 yards
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I’ve never seen Tannehill be this way unless he was coached to be
SB – Really? When you think of Tannehill, you think of a gunslinger who uses the whole field, and doesn’t focus on short, high percentage passes? He did it with Bess, and then Landry became his guy. If it really is coaching, then we need a new QB and a new HC. It’s also possible that coaches think Tannehill is limited, and play to his strengths
There have been multiple HC’s and OC’s across that period you are talking about.
When he’s allowed to do so he does it. Why has Kenny Stills had such success and healthy a Devante Parker? When Tannehill first started he didn’t have any deep threats to throw to and that was the game he was forced to play, then he had Wallace who refused to get on the same page and couldn’t trust. Then Gase came and opened up the offense somewhat, but would rather get the ball into the hands of playmakers and let them do the rest. Tannehill is limited, but the coaches definitely aren’t playing to his strengths. We aren’t even playing to the strengths of the team. We have several talented running backs and fail to use them properly on a consistent basis. That’s why we aren’t consistently successful no matter the QB. This offense is a combination of a few things, which have little to do with the limitations of Tannehill.
A) Gase’s play calling overall
C) O-Line issues
D – That’s why I said coaches, not just coach.
I was adding to what you said. How can you blame it on coaching when several coaches with several different offensive schemes have made the same decision with him. Either he has never fit any of those schemes which means he is only oging to excel in a different one, or he is limited in a way that prevents them from utilizing him in that way. I do think SB’s things play into it, but i think there are limitations in him as well. The biggest i see is read progression. He doesnt not know how to look at the first read and judge if its likely by the way the CB is playing that WR that he will get open, go on to other reads to draw the safety off and then go back to the hot read. This limits his ability to help that play get open on the timing it is supposed to which is why he a lot of times doesn’t have the time to make that play because he wastes time staring that route down.
SB – How can we possibly know when he’s allowed to. Shoot, he has the ball, he can throw it wherever he wants, right?
not when the play call limits where he throws the ball.
Not buying it. Look at Mike Wallace’s stats. His 2 worst years as far as YPC average were here in MIA with Tannehill. I remember arguing on Wallace’s behalf that Tannehill couldn’t lead him properly, very often underthrew or overthrew him. That’s not on Wallace. He killed it with Ben in Pittsburgh. He also did better in Baltimore.
D says:
November 9, 2018 at 9:58 am
Or they just accepted the terms of his reply.
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pheloniusphish says:
November 9, 2018 at 10:02 am
They went totally Krystallnacht on him. Showed up banging on his door in the wee hours of the morning. All on the word of an extended relative.
wyoming85 says:
November 9, 2018 at 10:02 am
I wasn’t necessarily speaking to his reply. As I was to the gun owners as a groups reply!
It is a good strategy though.
Pit 2 of your hated foes against each other!
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I was somewhat joking, but if you do say you are going to pry this gun from my cold dead hand, you might get someone that goes, ok if thats what it takes lol. I get your point about it going to come to some serious situations when and if they decided to take the guns from those that are hard core about keeping them, and i know you are right.
Thats a right that most people who care at all about it are extremely passionate about it. It also was a second amendment for a reason, meaning it was an important one to the men who founded this country and wanted to keep it free. I completely get it even though myself i am not a gun owner.
Leg 1 of Lambeau journey completed last night .. 1 of 3.5 hrs spent night driving in driving straight on snow 45 MPH in a 75 zone .. whose idea was this ?? 😂…
Bit of shopping in Fargo then highway to Minneapolis… at least it’s daytime from this point …
At least you were driving straight. It’s a bitch turning in the snow. 😂❄
I don’t want to harp on this one point too much, but Adam Gase was asked about our O-Line (pass-pro) before camp opened. He stated that it will be just fine, that the QB will have the ball out of his hands in less than 2.x seconds.
This tells us that his dink-n-dunk Offense is by design and not accident. He could have used the Draft to upgrade the O-Line, but he did not feel the need to do so.
It’s kind of difficult to allow a receiver the time to run a deep route when the ball is coming out in under 2.x seconds. Thus, I believe it’s Gase who is at fault here. And it doesn’t seem to really matter who the QB is (Tannehill, Osweiler, Moore, Cutler, Fales, etc), they are all equally ineffective.
What’s more, we only have one WR over 6’1″: DeVante Parker. This Offense really is built for the dink-and-dunk.
Lastly, I really do believe that Gase designed this Offense to minimize and/or mask deficiencies with Tannehill’s game (pocket presence, perceived deep ball issues, progression/reads, etc). Yes, it has worked to a certain degree… but it’s also taking away some of Tannehill’s assets (scrambling ability, throwing on the run, the deep ball he DID develop in ’16, etc).
Everything has now been skewed by the injuries our starters have sustained on the O-Line, so it’s difficult to really know what this Offense could have done, firing on all cylinders. Nevertheless, I don’t think it would have been significantly better: it’s a design flaw, IMO.
I found this to be extremely interesting regarding Brock Osweiler. Now mind you, this was a study of his first 7 starts in Denver, and Gase had already moved on to become the OC of Da’ Bears.
Note how terrible his O-Line was, how he’s not dinking-and-dunking, and how much his footwork improved over the course (another shout out to my man ORob!). But also keep in mind, it didn’t work out for Osweiler in Houston: new coach, new teammates, new system, and he was paid $18M to deliver an $18M performance.