The author has decided to take a different approach this week. It is, after all, Thanksgiving Week, and I’ve decided to look for things to be thankful for. First off, our record is actually 5-5, and that’s not a bad place to be. It’s been an odd year in the NFL, with a handful of good to elite teams in each conference, followed by a lot of average to poor teams. The Chiefs (9-2), Steelers (7-2-1) and Texans (7-3) lead their divisions, but the Chiefs are the only team that is being challenged within their division, as the LA Chargers are in 2nd at (7-3). Every other division leader is followed by a .500 team. We’re one of em, as we trail the Patriots (7-3). So there’s hope, right?
On paper this could be a tough matchup for us. The Colts are flying high, and Andrew Luck is looking more like the Andrew Luck of old. The Colts are putting up points, lots of them, scoring 29.8PPG. That’s good for 5th in the NFL. After 10 games, Luck already has 29 TD’s, and even more impressive, only 9 INT’s. Impressive, considering he’s thrown the ball 400 times already. The good news is, if there’s one thing we do well, it’s take the ball away on defense, especially in the passing game. In fact, which team is #1 in INT’s in the NFL? Your very own Miami Dolphins!
The Colts have a running game, but their offense is all about Andrew Luck and the passing game. I hope Frank Reich and OC Nick Sirianni decide to throw all day, I think we can make things difficult for them. The Colts leading receiver is the super fast and diminutive T.Y. Hilton, with 585 yards and 6 TD’s on 38 receptions. Right behind him has been TE Eric Ebron who came over from the Lions has really flourished in Indy. Ebron is having a career year with Luck, 39 receptions for 463 yards and 9 TD’s. Ebron had just 11 TD’s in his first 4 seasons with Detroit.
The Colts running game, like most NFL teams these days, is a 3 headed attack. Marlon Mack, who is finally healthy is the lead back, and he’s spelled by Jordan Wilkins. Nyheim Hines is Luck’s receiving back. While Mack has 471 yards rushing, Hines has 226 yards receiving. Hopefully, we’re able to contain the backs, and although the passing game is where the Colts live and breathe, it’s where I think we can make things tough on them.
The biggest hole in my strategy is our lack of pass rush. That, and the fact that Bobby McCain is questionable. We will once again be forced to employ many different combinations of CB’s and safeties, and Minkah will likely reach a new high in snaps this week. He’s got to be on the field, he’s bar none our best cover guy out there next to Xavien Howard. Minkah has been better than Howard, but I give Howard his due, he’s been very good himself. So Minkah will play LCB, SCB, FS, SS, LB, he probably shouldn’t come off the field unless he’s spent.
So where do we generate a pass rush? Charles Harris is quite questionable, which means that Cam Wake and Robert Quinn are going to get a lot of snaps. Cameron Malveaux is no longer a Dolphin, so depth wise it’s Andre Branch and Jonathan Woodard, unless Harris suits up. Quinn and Wake need to have big days. That’s it folks, if these guys can step it up, and hit Luck early and often, it could lead us to something special, a huge upset of the Colts.
Ryan Tannehill returns this week, and no, he’s not at 100%. He needs to hunger for this. He’s seen the team slip in his absence, he has to want to get in there and right the ship. The good news is that Tunsil and James look to be good to go despite both of them nursing injuries. Larsen is questionable, but Jake Brendel may not be such a bad consolation. It seems like our whole team is questionable for this game, but I think they’ll all play, including Kenyan Drake, and possibly even Devante Parker. I hope Tannehill seizes this day, and makes us a winner. It would be a great story. Maybe after this victory, it leads to more victories, and we have an improbably playoff run. It has to start somewhere, and this is as good a place as any.
So back to Thanksgiving. I’m thankful for the community we have here. I haven’t met all of you here, still working on that, but I have met quite a few. You’re a wonderful bunch, it’s been a pleasure to get know all of you, even the ones I haven’t yet met. I hope you all enjoy this week with family, friends, whoever you spend it with. It’s always been a holiday where I learn to appreciate my family, which keeps on growing. A Dolphins upset win over the Colts would be a great dessert, wouldn’t it?
Finsmob Unleashed 
Randy, all that may be true, but if we trot out Tannehill again next season, it’s madness
In other words, if he can’t run the offense Gase’s career depends on, he can’t bring him back again
MikeE,
Hey, I would have moved on from Tannehill long ago. I just don’t think Gase can. He got this job because he was seen as the guy who can develop Tannehill and get him to the next level. Why would he ever claim Tannehill isn’t “the guy” because that would mean Gase failed to develop him….and that means his supposed reputation as a QB guru was a bunch of horse shit. Then what do you base your decision on to keep him? He’s done nothing worth making the arguement to keep him, and he no longer has the reputation as a QB miracle worker. Right or wrong, Gase tied his success to Tannehill’s. If Tannehill isn’t seen as a success, then how can anyone say Gase is? I think they either both stay, or they both go.
I hear ya Randy. At this point, I’m all for both being gone
Randy says:
November 27, 2018 at 11:49 am
Did you ever think that maybe Gase runs the offense he believes Tanny is able to operate?
Hater’s view… but doesn’t account for the 4 other QB’s that have run Gase’s offense while in Miami who all had the same playbook and same play calling.
It is NOT because Tannehill limits the offense because he cant throw to the middle of the field. That is just bull shit.
other 3 QB, not 4
He can’t throw to the middle of the field. He’s terrible at intermediate range passes
Here is how I think things will go down. Gase will coach the Dolphins again next year. Tannehill will be the starter and will be restructured again this off season. Gase will get fired next year, the new regime will draft their guy and either keep Tannehill for the one season or bring in another stop gap guy until the new coaches guy is up to speed.
If they draft a quarterback, and I believe they will, there’s a very high probability that guy either beats out Tannehill & starts or will start early in the season after they bench Tannehill. Especially if it’s Grier or Herbert.
you are dreaming. you hatred is blind and you have no credibility on here man.
I don’t have absolute answers, but how much of Tanny’s less than explosive game is cause of him versus the scheme is a legit question. Even with horrible games against the Bengals and Pats (which may have been injury related) he’s still at a 97 QB rating for the season. So he has been efficient.
Here are the FACTS
Certainly shows he has been completing up to 20 yards over the middle when he throws there. That +20 score where Stills normally runs deep is harsh.
1. it’s only 1 yr of his career 2. it’s ancient history. we’re in 2018 now 3. if Gase’s scheme is so bad this blows that narrative out of the water. Just like Lazor sucked but he had his 2 best seasons with Lazor.
Here it is from 2016
This site has some nice breakdowns and charts of all kinds of situational stats, etc.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/
How often does he do it, Rock? I am just going by memory of watching games and was talking about how often he does it not how he rates against other QBs.
I posted the charts to show he CAN do it (and above average) There are other charts on the website that show how often he does it.
Rock,
If they keep Tannehill as the stopgap guy, how much do you pay him just to keep him around for a year? And, why would Tanny do that? If I was him and they make it clear by their moves that they want to go in another direction, I’d try to sign with another team. The only reason I can think of that he’d stay is because it would give him a year to prove he can stay healthy and increase his value.
How much is he worth? He is paid like an average QB now. (17th highest in the league)
Why would he restructure? Cash in hand now. In my scenario above the team restructures him this off season. In his mind he is the starter through what ever the term of the extension is. The new coach then either keeps him or tosses him based upon how the new coaches new toy works out. I don’t see any of next year’s QB crop beating him out. As much as some dislike him, he is a veteran and knows the game better than any rookie coming out of college.
If they pay him like $8-something mil next year (real money not cap) he has no choice in the matter.
RIP Stephen Hillenburg
He lived in a pineapple under the sea
Gee those two charts show me that it is Gase’s fucked up “offensive” scheme more than it is Tannehill. Coupled with Gase’s fucked up play calling makes it even worse. Look at that video against Houston. Much more wide open scheme instead of this dink and dunk shit and Tannehill looked great. How many passes were over 10 yards. If I were Tannehill, I would restructure my deal and ask for a trade to the Jags, Giants or Raiders.
Just curious, why would Tannehill restructure, and then ask for a trade? He should just ask for a trade.
Another excuse. How many is that now? How many total excuses have people used to defend this guy? It’s always someone or something else. It’s never Tannehill. Hasn’t done shit in the 7 seasons he’s played but, yeah, it’s not him.
You guys are hilarious
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/team/season/1
These are interesting. If you just look from a high level and scroll through the QB’s and the weeks you will notice that the majority of the passes thrown in the NFL travel less than 10 yards in the air.
I don’t know Mike. I just thought his salary next year would be to high for any takers. I am probably wrong.
It’s possible, but if you think the team that’s trading for Tannehill wants him as the starter, they’ll pay him his salary, otherwise they’re not really interested in him. KnowhatImean?
Thing is, we could draft 7 QB’s this draft and sign a couple vet F/A QB’s and we will still be a .500 under Gase. Tannehill isn’t the problem, IMO. We have better talent on this roster now than we did back before Gase. It’s his scheme that sucks.
Colts are up to #9 on CBS Power Rankings. Not that I really give a flying fuck, but if Gase weren’t such a pussy, we could have beat the damn Colts, but we’ll never know . . .
Rock,
My hatred has nothing to do with anything. Tannehill is a 30 yr old qb who has shown himself to be inconsistent and now he’s been injured more than he’s been playing. So you can’t rely on the guy. Why would you want to put all your eggs in one basket and go into next season and have the same thing happen that happened this year?
And to also think that there are no quarterbacks coming out of college who can dethrone the mediocre one despite seeing evidence to the contrary is naïve, at best. How you can still sit there and defend this guy, how anyone can, is just ridiculous at this point because this team is going nowhere with him.
Yes, he IS the problem and this team will continue to be mediocre and be playing to win 8 to 9 games a season if they continue with him as their starter. There is NO doubt that’s what will happen.
Best thing for them to do is try and get what they can for him in a trade and move on. That’s the only way this team is going to move forward. I don’t care if we have a more solid o-line and two all-pro wr’s and an all-pro TE we ain’t getting it done with him at quarterback.
7 years and nothing .Nothing but a big waste of time and people still want to continue with this mediocre quarterback as the starter. Cut him or trade him and watch what he accomplishes elsewhere. If he’s not the problem then you’ll see when he’s backing up some young guy that just came out of college.
Rock,
I said before the ’12 draft that if we drafted Tannehill we would never do shit with him at qb and here it is in his 7th season and …..lookee!! I’d say I have a ton of credibility. Maybe you don’t think so because you choose to live in denial rather than accept things for what they are.
Tannheill was never the answer. Was never going to be. And I guarantee that if the Phins draft either Herbert or Grier you’re going to see how much of a difference a REAL quarterback makes in an offense.
Look…An “I told you so” moment! Shocking.
Another year of mediocre quarterback play by Tannehill and another year of excuses. Now it’s bad scheme by Gase. Jesus, when will it end?
Did you actually think we were going to do something this year? I never did. Vegas had us at 7 wins and always thought that about right. As is been a bunch of exciting games and good promise for the future. But then mainly just like watching exciting football.
well, no, I didn’t think we were going to do much this year because the team decided to stick with Tannehill and not draft a quarterback. I would have been more excited with a rookie because even if we didn’t do much at least there would be something to look forward to. but, as long as Tannehill is the starter, there’s nothing to look forward to.
I’m not sure why everything is about Gase and Tannehill and nobody is talking about the defense allowing the Colts to score on 3 consecutive drives in the 4th quarter when we were up by 10. Sure it would have been nice for the offense to do a better job late in the 4th quarter to run the clock down or score at least a FG. But nobody ever looks at it like maybe the Colts defense made crucial stops against us late in the game where our defense did not.
Can we also focus on how our WR corps is depleted and where the hell has Kenny Stills been? He has 8-108 1TD in his last 6 games. It’s kind of hard to think we’re going to score a lot of points with him playing like that, Parker being the inconsistent guy he is, Amendola getting banged up and losing Wilson and Grant for the year. There is only so much you can ask Drake to do as the main target. And even with all that we scored 24.
The defense has allowed over 400 yards in 6 games this year. We’re 2-4 in those games. They have been a big disappointment this year. They have flashed a few times and showed some potential but they’ve been shredded way too often. They are as much at fault for our record as anything else. But the narrative is about two guys every week. Even when one of them didn’t play 5 games. Kind of strange that is the only focus with this team for a lot of you.
The Rams have a ton of 1st rd picks on their defense and they gave up 546 yds to KC and 494 yds to New Orleans.
LOL, yeah two of the best offenses in the game. Our defense allows that to middle of the road teams.
Where was your boy Wentz against the Saints a couple of weeks ago?
Tim
The last 2 drives on offense for me were more about Gase, but possibly also Gase not trusting Tannehill. The defense sucks, we know that, we get gashed regularly in the run game, and still can’t regularly put pressure on opposing QB’s, but that’s a different issue. We’re talking about eliminating one (Gase), or two (Gase and Tannehill). We can’t get rid of the whole defense. We know we need D-line help, hopefully we address that next year.
It’s a different issue and a very big one. It’s a big part of being a good or bad football team. Defense matters.
On those last two drives I’m not sure what Gase is supposed to call when the passes were incomplete and one for no gain along with 3 rushes for 1 yard. We also had a PI call on offense declined because of the no gain to Parker which would have come back if there was a gain. Sometimes the defense has to make a stop.
If you want to say we should have been more aggressive and try to close out the game going for big plays, okay fair enough. But we get picked off doing that with a lead late and the next thing we would hear is we should have run the ball more and been more conservative. I don’t think it was Gase having a lack of trust in Tannehill as much as he did in the entire offense at that point in the game. We have an issue running the ball when we have to. I wish we didn’t but we do.
Another thing is I heard the announcers mentioning that we weren’t getting any separation from our receivers. How do you throw the ball down the field if they’re not open? Even on the shot Tannehill took to Carroo one on one that went for the 74 yard TD was questioned by fans saying that should have been picked. But it wasn’t.
We’re in a new age of the NFL. Look at what the Rams have on defense and they can’t stop offenses that are capable of putting up a lot of points. We NEED a quarterback who can get it done. We don’t have one.
We don’t have a lot of the pieces the Rams have on offense. That offense isn’t all about Goff. Like I said, where is Kenny Stills making plays? We all know Parker is up and down. Where are the big plays coming from? You can’t ask Drake to make up for all of it when we can’t block consistently in the run game. Our entire offense is an issue as we saw when Tannehill was out. If we go and find a real good QB there is still more that needs to be done on offense. It’s not about one guy.
When you have a quarterback who can challenge the defense it makes all the difference in the world. You say the team can’t run block. Well, it sure as hell can’t when defenses are putting 8 in the box against you and daring you to throw the ball because they know you can’t.
Everything is tied to the quarterback position. We’ve got a guy who can’t get it done. It’s as simple as that. No need to overcomplicate it. Get Grier or Herbert and watch how fast things change.
Then people will be saying our o-line never run blocked or pass blocked for Tannehill like that.
Do you want to know what the facts are? The facts are: 2016 is over. It’s ancient history. It’s now 2018 and what Tannehill did in 2016 doesn’t matter because it’s a different year. Same shit, different day.
Facts are: Tannehill missed all of 2017 and missed a bunch of games this year. Facts are: he’s going to be 31 next year and keeps getting injured and can’t contribute. Facts are: Tannehill is done. Stick a fork in him.
Pat him on his head and send him on his way. He’s useless
The team needs to cut the cord. Try and trade him and take what you can get or cut him. Move up this year to get your guy at qb and draft a 2nd (David Blough) later and keep a vet for a backup.
We’ve been through year after year of mediocre season so who cares if we suffer thru one more with a rookie starting. Not like we’re going to do anything with the golden boy starting anyway.
I like Tanny. So am rooting for the kid. And seems Gase does too. Pretty sure he will be here next year, even if they might make a move to bring in a rookie or more serious comp. Just don’t see this team doing the major move to get a QB up high or a big name FA.
well, that WOULD be the Miami Dolphins for you. Other teams play for Super Bowls. The Pats play to win Super Bowls. The Saints play to win Super Bowls. The Steelers play to win Super Bowls. But, the Miami Dolphins play to win 8 to 9 games because, as long as the fans come to the games and fill up the seats, the team is happy with being mediocre.
The Dolphins don’t want to win the Super Bowl. They’d rather keep the mediocrity train going by keeping around a quarterback who hasn’t proven squat in 7 years but needs more time. SMH
Try to be realistic about the state of the team rather than getting all bitter about it….. but that just me. Especially since just like watching football. A piss poor team would really piss me off from that standpoint, but yeah my ego is not all that tied in with Superbowl or not. But guarantee if we make one though that will be there.
The state of the team is tied to the quarterback position and the person playing that position. As long as that guy is with the team and is the starter things will not get any better. Why?
Because, one, if he’s still here it means the people making the decisions are still making bad decisions. However, if they choose to move on and draft a qb in the first rd in ’19 to be his replacement, it means the people making the decisions are starting to make better decisions and, maybe, the state of the team has a chance to improve.
And I would fine if they made a move for a QB in the offseason….. would root for that guy too. Just a fan of whoever wears Aqua and know can’t control who does.
Tuesday…. Shit !!
So, where’s the logic in this. It’s not Tannehill’s fault but it would be difficult to get anything of real value for Tannehill in a trade because his salary is too high.
He’s NOT the problem with our team but nobody else is going to give up too much for him because ..they don’t think he’s worth it?
Wow, Just wow.
Yawn
Come’on ER…. some legit football talk up above.
Not really. I can just reread one over and over and over and over…..
LOL — think the scheme versus Tanny limitation stuff legit. Not sure why he doesn’t pile up the yards.
Just want to leave this here one more time. I was RIGHT back in 2012 before the draft when I said we shouldn’t take Tannehill.
I was right. I was right. I was right. Thank you. Thank you very much.
This is the same guy who had something very different to say about what Gase was building even with Tannehill in 2016. So what were you right about? Flip flopping when it suits you?
Yeah, right. I never said Gase was building ANYTHING with Tannehill. Not going to happen. Tannehill sucks. Always has; always will.
I’m not going back to find it but yes you surely did say it because I was surprised at how positive you were. Then you changed your tune when Tannehill wasn’t even playing anymore.
no way I ever said that Gase was building with Tannehill. Never happened Tim. Never. Now you’re just making things up.
Tannehill has never been capable of doing anything. I may have said that Gase was going to try and supply him with a lot of playmakers to help him out so he didn’t have to do as much. I remember saying that if Gase brings in a lot of playmakers and the offense line plays solid the offense could do well and it means they could do that with pretty much any quarterback and it doesn’t mean Tannehill is the reason.
But, no, I would never even somehow imply that Tannehill could be the answer at quarterback. He’s just mediocre.
I can understand you being bitter though because your boy is a failure at quarterback; just like I said he would be.
We’re not a good team period for a lot of reasons. Fire the HC and go get that shiny new QB and we’re still not a good team.
Start with don’t think the HC will be fired. Think an extra year was the deal when he made all those off season moves absent meltdown. QB move possible, even if think more likely is a rook to develop.
Both sides of the ball collapsed in the 4th qtr. Gase tried to run, got nothing. Defense seems to always play lost.
Defense played a little over a half of good football.
That Gesicki fumble really really hurt too.
The Gesicki fumble could have resulted in lost points at the time – don’t know if we score there but possible, but we survived it at 14-14 and still lead by 10 points much later in the game.
Surviving isnt the point. It’s taking advantage…especially on the road.
Meaning it wasn’t a turning point turnover for us. How do we take advantage of our own turnover?
Everything went wrong in the 4th Q — was brutal. Can understand why play calling and Gase came up….. almost like we weren’t trying.
Tim
I think the defense did a decent job against the Colts. The Colts came in scoring 34, 37, 42, 29, and 38 in their last 5. My point is we match up better with our offense against their defense than we do with our defense against their offense, so I didn’t expect more from them. The Colts are just fair on defense, so if we were going to win, we’d have to hold them to less than they usually score, which we did, but we didn’t come through on offense. That’s how I see that game in a nutshell
Like I said of course it would have good for the offense to do more at 24-14, but allowing 3 consecutive scores in the 4th qtr is not winning football either. I’m looking at the entire team, not just the same two guys every week. Unless we get turnovers we stop nobody. It’s been that way most of the season. Right now we have more flaws than just a position or two or play calling. That’s how I see it.
LOL Tim
Take advantage of their turnover. I agree that this defense seems to either get a turnover or get scored on. So the offense cant give it right back. ..
That turnover didn’t result in a score for the Colts is all I was saying. We still lead the game by 10 in the 4th quarter.
I’m a defense guy and this group has really disappointed me because I thought we’d be better. The offense has lost a lot more talent than the defense and I understand we’re not going to light it up on offense. So when we have a two score lead late, we need the defense to step up in big spots and they only have a couple of times this season. Most of the time we give the game away in the 2nd half.
We don’t play complementary football enough, either side of the ball. It sucks!
Got it.
That’s a spot most Ds want to be in late in game. You know what’s coming but ours still cant stop it.
Wake said the same thing.
Lou just wants to say he told us so. Blind squirrel, say hello,to nut.
Philbin, Campbell, Gase. Tannehill’s Head coaches and offensive designers since he came into the league. They may have broken him beyond repair confidence-wise , but to say he can’t make certain throws is just goofy, BarcaLounger coaching shit.
7 years. That’s right. 7 years. And he’s done nothing. But it’s not his fault. It’s someone or something else that has stopped Tannehill from reaching his potential.
He was never, ever going to be anything other than what you’ve seen but you, like some others still out there, would rather be in denial than accept the truth and the fact that I was right back in 2012.
And now it’s Gase’s fault or the scheme he runs on offense. Yet, all you guys were head over heels in love with him when his name was put out there and when he interviewed. But now, he sucks. SMH.
How can a quarterback who supposedly spends so much time with his skill players in the offseason still not have taken the next step? Because he’s not good. Never was. Never will be. Accept it for what it is and move on.
When the Dolphins draft a real quarterback maybe you’ll see the difference but I’m not sure you’d recognize it if you saw it.
Lou — I’m just happy that you care enough about the Dolphins to put so much time and energy into wanting them to be a better team. Part of why we love you so much.
I would not have been surprised if they had drafted one of the top 4 QBs if one fell to us last year. I have no problem with how they played it, but none if us know what they would have done if the Cardinals hadn’t jumped in front of us. Also, at least the Cardinals must have thought we would take a QB. Otherwise, why move in front of us in the draft? Maybe that was just their best trade partner. Who knows.
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Tannehill is not irreplaceable. He’s just the best option we have right now. If you like 8 wins a year. He’s your man.
Last sentence says it all. “If you like 8 wins a year…he’s your man”. Truer words have never been spoken. As long as Tannehill is the qb of this team, that’s all you can hope for.
The Colts had nearly 4 minutes more in TOP than us. Our Defense wore out late as our Offense couldn’t convert a 1st down late in the game (poor play-calling and game management). That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. We’re lucky we only lost by a last-second FG.
You think that 31.54/28:06 difference wore our defense down? So no credit to the Colts defense for making crucial stops against us? Just blame our offense and give our defense an out? I’m not buying that one. The offense didn’t do a good job late but the defense was worse.
What was the game management part of it? We didn’t convert any of the plays called. So if we only would have called some other plays we would have converted? What plays would those have been? We didn’t execute the plays called. Why is it always play calls and never execution?
Hey man, you can’t nutshell! I nutshelled at 4:17PM already!
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I don’t know a thing about this guy, but I think it’s time to look into replacing Dave Puloka as our Strength and Conditioning Coach. Between our late collapses (lack of stamina) and the injuries we’ve sustained, HOLY $#!T.
Tim,
I agree. We’re not a good team. We’re an average team, and who wants that? We lack talent at some very key positions. As I’ve said, I think the defense is getting close. It will take more production from our pass rush and better run defense. I think run defense is a team thing, so I’m not gonna put that on any particular level of the D. They all need to do better. I do see improvement in areas though.
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The offense concerns me. With our current roster completely healthy, I think we’d be ok. Not real good but ok. I just don’t think that’s good enough in the NFL these days. Unless you have a lights out defense, you have got to score. In a few years 27 points could be the bottom end to being a playoff team. I think we’re somewhere in the low 20s, but I’m not sure. Just not good enough anymore.
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The reason the defense has gotten closer, I think, is because we’ve added better talent. Baker, Minkah, Howard who’s finally playing up to his potential….we have some nice young pieces on defense to build around. I think we need a couple more of those sorts of players on offense.
I agree. We have plenty of individual talent at a bunch of positions on both sides of the ball, but we’re not a good team at this time. The injuries have played a factor because who knows if the OL would have been better without losing two starters and playing a different lineup every week. Then we lose two explosive players for the season, Stills is basically MIA, we know Parker is up and down and our TEs are not there yet. So there is no way we’re going to score a lot with that. Oh yeah we lost our starting QB for 5 games and even though he’s mediocre he’s better than our backups. We never had a chance to grow on offense, build chemistry and get anything going. It’s been piece-mealed all season.
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Translation: our Defense didn’t do so badly against a RED-HOT Andrew Luck. Like I said, we’re lucky they only beat us by a FG. Sucks that we caved late in the 4th quarter, but we played a good game overall on Defense.
So the offense leading the Colts 24-14 in the 4th quarter played a pretty good game overall too then. We know we’re not at full strength on offense so were you surprised we were even leading by 10 in the 4th? I know I was. We hadn’t scored a TD on offense the previous 9 quarters heading into the game. That’s when you need the defense to step up in the big spot. Not say well we were good for most of the game and hang your hat on that.
I’m not saying I was happy with the offense the last couple of drives. But I was way more disappointed in the defense. Whatever the Colts needed, we gave it to them.
It drives me crazy that we can’t ever possible win a shootout. If the opposing team goes over 28, game over for us, that’s beyond our capability, and our HC plays right into that!
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No we can’t but how do you expect us to do that? Stills and Parker aren’t making big plays, our TEs don’t make plays and we lost Wilson and Grant who actually did. I don’t know where it’s suppose to come from if the guys we have can’t do it. Drake and Gore can only do so much.
Mike, you know what it’s like as a Mets fan if the guys who are suppose to hit don’t and other big bats we do have are not in the lineup, we’re not going to score a lot of runs. I understand your frustration, we all wish we were better, but we are what we are right now and that’s a mediocre offense at best. We’re also a mediocre defense at best. Both units are sup par too often as well. It sucks!
Stills and Parker need someone to throw them the football, they can’t do it by themselves. I’m fed up with our offense, or lack thereof. In this league, it seems every team has had fireworks on offense but us. I mean the fucking Jets have scored over 40 twice this year, who the fuck do they have??? Really, look at their team, and tell me how they have more talent than we do at any offensive skill position.
So you think we don’t want to get Stills and Parker the ball down the field? Stills has been MIA since earlier in the season. Parker is Jekyll and Hyde. I don’t have the answers but it’s not happening.
I found a team that sucks worse than we do on offense. The Arizona Cardinals. I feel better now.
The team needs a real quarterback. Get Grier or Herbert and 90% of the problems on the offense go away.
Put Andrew Luck on our team with the guys we have on offense and the team is a consistent playoff contender. It’s the quarterback!!!
You might not think drafting a quarterback is going to mean much but if the team goes up and gets Grier or Herbert it means a lot. The reason for that is because the management and head coach realize they need to make a change and that says a lot. That’s a complete change in philosophy from before where they thought they had their franchise quarterback.
If they make that change in philosophy maybe they also start to draft better overall and see that we need a blue chip guy at center and DT to help on both lines instead of just picking guys to fill holes.
Mike, the Jets have scored less than 20 pts 8 times this season. Two games doesn’t make them good on offense. Sometimes a team has a game or two like that. I know we haven’t but I’d prefer wins over scoring 40 a couple of times. We didn’t need 40 to win a bunch of our games.
because of the defense?
Because what?
Tim – I don’t think anything, I just see we don’t do it. I know Stills has been hurting this year, I think one of his legs is injured, so that could be the issue.
Well if that’s the case then maybe he can’t do it.
Maybe. Even when Wilson and Grant were here, we weren’t hitting them downfield, most of their hay was made on screens or shovel passes.
There are many things about this game that can be debated. Depending on your viewpoint, blame can be placed on the D for not holding a 10 point 4th quarter lead, on the offense for not scoring in the last 13+ minutes of the game, Tanny, coaching, the scheme, the playcalling, the injuries, the whole team, whatever. We are not a good team, we’re average. That is something I think we can all agree on.
What I can’t get over, was the last two drive 3rd down calls on offense. Our coach is just flat out awful too often in these big moments. And these are some of the biggest factors in separating good coaching from bad IMO. These are the moments where good coaches can help their team win or lose.
The Colts are the #4 scoring offense in the league with nearly 30 points a game. Prior to our game the Colts previous five games they scored 38, 29, 42, 37, 34. Luck has been the hottest QB in the league with 3+ TDs in each of those five games. The rules favor good offense over good defense. If you have a top 5 offense that is clicking, it will shred most average to good defenses. If you have a top 5 defense, MAYBE you can hang your hat on them getting a stop. Otherwise you have to get some scores. At the very least you want to make that high powered offense go the length of the field.
We don’t have a top 5 defense. By nearly any criteria you choose, our defense is bottom 3rd of the league. Points, yds, rushing, passing, all bottom 3rd. The Colts offense was clicking in the 2nd half. Their QB has been money in big moments. And we essentially give up on 3rd down our final two drives, helping to hand the game to them.
The thing that made me lose my shit was the ridiculously inept situational playcalling at the end of the fucking game. It has been a constant theme with this guy (poor situational team management).
You want to say the defense should have held in the 4th quarter, fine! It would have been nice, but the Colts moved the ball into scoring position on every drive of the 2nd half except their first! Our defense wasn’t getting stops. Was our coach not watching the 2nd half like the rest of us? When we punted it from inside our 10 with less than 3 minutes left, was there anybody that thought we actually were going to hold? You figure even with a good punt and coverage they get the ball around the 35 to 40 yd line. At most they need 30 yds for a game winning FG. It was a foregone conclusion once we punted that ball.
Does our coach not know this and understand the situation?! Apparently not. Or maybe we just don’t have a 3rd down pass in our bag that is capable of travelling the 10 yards needed for a 1st. IDK, whatever the issue was, to run it there was the final straw for me. I’m convinced there is an ego issue, or an intellect issue, or maybe the moment just gets too big for him at this stage of his career. Whatever the problem is, I’m over Gase as our offensive playcaller.
I’ll reiterate, I’m not saying any of the things I listed at the start didn’t contribute to the loss. Sure they did. Even if we pass the ball on 3rd and long the last two drives, I personally think we were still going to lose that game. I could have lived with that and just been angry about the loss. But for our coach not to understand that 3rd down play inside our 10 was THE GAME ON THE LINE, and to fucking run it for the 2nd series in a row on 3rd and long, essentially throwing in the towel on both of those offensive series’, was unforgivably dense. He did’t even give our offense a chance at redemption or a chance to fail.
This is what I’ve been saying for the last few days. Obviously, I’m in complete agreement with you.
I’ve only read back on the board the last few hours, but it seems a number of us agree on this point, which never happens, lol. Those last two 3rd downs are about as indefensible as it is possible to get though, smh.
Exactly. Playing scared all the time.
Go for the throat, or die trying.
Lou – Yes, I liked the Gase hiring when it happened, but he has not lived up to the hype. He’s not entirely bad…I like that he dumped big contracts and big egos. It his play calling is questionable to say the least. And I don’t blame that on not trusting the QB. If you don’t trust your QB and you want to protect your job, you expose the QB by calling a good game. But I’m sure you told us all of this before he was hired.
RT is not an elite QB. Nobody here has argued that. But to say things like he can’t throw to the middle of the field, just to support your claim of I told you so is just inane. This is why you are staining Naugahyde and not working as a GM.
he can’t throw over the middle. it’s a proven fact. a few stats from one season means nothing when the remainder of the time he played qb for this team he was just plain bad throwing over the middle.
Proven where? Other than you saying it repeatedly, show us the numbers.
Those stats were from this season….. and he was out most of the two before. What season should we go off of. 2016?
I don’t need to show numbers. We’ve seen it.
Ah…The old eyeball test (sorry ORob….it was too easy!).
“RT is not an elite qb. Nobody here has argued that”. Bullshit. When people constantly come to his defense and say he’s not the problem and that we can win with him at quarterback and he should be given more time that’s exactly what they’re saying.
When people see him in his 7th season and he’s still as ineffective as ever but they’re now using the excuse that Gase’s scheme is what is holding him back that’s exactly what people are saying.
He’s average at best. He would be a good backup. A guy you need to come in and give you a game or two if your starter goes down because he’s too inconsistent to be in there to help your team win games over an entire season.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 6:41 pm
“RT is not an elite qb. Nobody here has argued that”. Bullshit. When people constantly come to his defense and say he’s not the problem and that we can win with him at quarterback and he should be given more time that’s exactly what they’re saying.
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False equivalency
no. it’s not.
Randy – I was hoping Mayfield would fall to us.
Put Luck on Miami and have Gase call 0-3 yard passes and all the weird shit he calls and you would have a consistently mediocre team. Just like they have now.
Put Luck on Miami and Gase wouldn’t be limited to what he could call. Luck gives you a lot more options. Tanenhill isn’t close to being in the same class
I think Luck would tell Gase to fuck himself, and he would do what he wanted to do and would change the plays, and then he would be traded. lol
Lol….Precisely.
I’m not sure when I say things like “I understand your frustration, we all wish we were better, but we are what we are right now and that’s a mediocre offense at best. We’re also a mediocre defense at best. Both units are sup par too often as well. It sucks!”, that it gets treated differently than when others say it. We’re not a good team.
Okay, if we had an “elite” QB we’d be better. If sports teams could find elite where they need it every team would be awesome. It’s not that easy.
Tannehill didn’t lose the game Sunday, he didn’t throw a game changing pick or get strip sacked etc. We had two stalled drives and the defense couldn’t get a stop down the stretch. But apparently that doesn’t mean anything anymore. It always comes back to the same narrative.
we had two stalled drives because we have a quarterback we is incapable of getting us a first down when we need it. Mr. 3 and out
Other people get treated differently because you are a silly English knigguht. And we are French.
CavKong,
STELLAR post above! CHEERS!
It was a much needed catharsis, lol.
Cheers. 🙂
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This is a domestic violence case, and Goodell decides NOT to outright suspend Foster? WTF?!!
Lou – So you’re saying that The QB should not run the play when the coach calls WR screens and 1 yard passes? The QB should say fuck that and wing it?
Tannehill is in his 7th yr as a starter. QB’s who are in their 7th year are usually given some leeway to make a change at the line if they see something they can take advantage of. Tannehill isn’t given that leeway.
Kong, we don’t have a top 5 offense either. To me there is too much if we did this or that instead we would have won. If we can’t execute simple stuff, how are we suppose to execute more low percentage explosive plays? Maybe they just aren’t there and that’s why we aren’t that good. I think too many of you are just wishing for a much better team than what we are. I think we all want that but like many other fans our teams are not that good in a lot of phases.
We don’t have a top 5 offense because we don’t have a good quarterback. Draft Grier or Herbert and we’ll have a much better quarterback and a much better chance of putting points on the board.
Kong
Mike E. says:
November 25, 2018 at 9:55 pm (Edit)
Piggy – I understand full well that we were deep in their territory on that last drive, but I knew, I’m not a seer, or a prophet, but knew we lost the game right there. Think about this for a second. Who would you bet on with the game on the line, Andrew Luck or our defense? Run for no gain on 1st down, a screen pass for no gain on 2nd down and then a run for 4 on 3rd down. That’s a give up. You know how in baseball you play for a win on the road because the other team gets last licks? Same premise here. You give the ball back to one of the best QB’s in the NFL with enough time to beat you, he will beat you. By playing it safe on the last drive, he gave them the win, handed it to them. You have to throw the damn ball past the sticks, and all too often we don’t. That pass that Carroo caught for a TD was atrocious. A terrible rainbow that took forever, but you know what, it was fucking TD! Luck threw 2 INT’s on 2 deep passes, but who won the game? I’m so tired of this “safe” shit when “safe” means an L in the standings. People can say it’s lack of talent, I say it’s lack of balls by our head coach.
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Mike E. says:
November 25, 2018 at 10:13 pm (Edit)
Son – it’s “safe” to punt, but if you miss a long FG, you give Luck a short a field to with, kinda like punting him to him at the end of the game after a pathetic 3 and out. I don’t want my coach to be doubting we can do something all the fucking time, I want him to go for it.
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Mike E. says:
November 25, 2018 at 11:16 pm (Edit)
It’s OK Tim, I just don’t agree with it. You’re playing a team that scores nearly 30 points, and their offense is hot. Why give them the chance with their best unit on the field in their house to just take the game? Neither unit of our team is a juggernaut, but why bet on your defense against a great QB like Luck in his house? If he really trusts his QB, let him take a couple of legit shots on one of the last 2 drives to actually score ourselves? Our defense was OK today, they did more than I expected actually, but I knew as soon as wen’t into a shell on that last drive that we were going to punt and lose.
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There are more today, I just got tired of looking. 🙂
I think it’s safe to say, we are in agreement, lol.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 8:42 am
Tannehill is finished. Stick a fork in him. They’re not restructuring a contract and giving him bonus money with the possibility he gets hurt again and then is out for another season.
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this sounds more like you are stating a fact rather than an opinion. I disagree, they will look to get stronger this offseason, so unless gase feels that tanny is not his guy, which by the way he’s saying the exact opposite; they will not restructure but if he does like tanny they most certainly will restructure to gain cap space. if they don’t restructure tannys contract this off season that to me is a clear sign he is not the QB of the future for miami. at any rate he will be the starter for 2019.
he isn’t the quarterback of the future and they will not restructure his contract. they will attempt to trade him and get what they can for him just like they did with Landry.
they’re not going to restructure him and give him upfront bonus money when they have no intention of him being their future at quarterback. they’re finished with him.
when your head coach has zero confidence in a guy to put the ball in his hands in order to win the game then I’d say it’s pretty obvious Gase doesn’t think he’s the guy anymore. he’s as good as gone. deal with it.
Oh, and the #1 way they can “get stronger” is to draft a quarterback of the future who can get the job done. Do that and 90% of the problems on the offensive side of the ball are solved.
I think I’m going to duck out of here before $#!t really hits the fan, LOL.
Okay, I think everything that can be said has been said. I wish we could presto our team to being a top team too. I hope whatever it is that has to happen to make that happen… happens. LOL
I hope so too! 🙂
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 6:52 pm
We don’t have a top 5 offense because we don’t have a good quarterback. Draft Grier or Herbert
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Hebert will be a bust, and not one in the hall of fame, he has a flawed throwing motion, he throws off his back foot, reminds me of Jim Everett of the Rams back in the 80s
Sounds more like you’re stating fact than opinion. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
yes that is a fact he throws off his back foot and with a 50% completion % he’s also very in accurate. all factual
he doesn’t throw off his back foot. you should really get your eyeglass prescription updated. secondly, he’s very accurate but……stats
Phish, I am part French too. A small pct. but it is there. LOL
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Oh, and the #1 way they can “get stronger” is to draft a quarterback of the future who can get the job done. Do that and 90% of the problems on the offensive side of the ball are solved.
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no…i don’t think you get stronger drafting a QB who has a 50% accuracy rating and will cost you an abundance of early picks this year and next, he won’t even play.
Gase has his QBs, if anything Falk will compete, he’s 6’4 220, and he has a little seasoning
welp. I’m finished with this conversation. not wasting my time on nonsense.
Tim,
I think looking at ‘we lost for this reason or that’ at this point is an exercise in futility. Our team is so decimated we are going to struggle to be competitive the rest of the season. None of us agree on any of this stuff anyway, lol. That is why I listed every aspect of the team as a possible ‘reason’ for losing.
Honestly, the dynamic between scheme, gameplan, playcalling, and team execution is too varied and complex for us to be able to truly make a valid assessment beyond the general anyway, especially without knowledge of plays, assignments, and a full view of the field. We all really just stroke ourselves more than anything when it comes to ‘assessment’. We are nothing more than the talking heads we talk so much shit about. Some of us know that, others…not so much, lol.
So I make my own little assessments, and have my own little thoughts about which players are up to the task, which aren’t, what schemes work, and which don’t etc, etc…(like we all do). I don’t really take myself very seriously when it comes to this aspect of the game regardless of how it may seem.
IMO, one thing we CAN look at is how the team operates, including situational play and with that in mind, I feel Gase keeps making indefensible mistakes. As I said in my original post, I think even if we threw it both of those 3rd downs, we still probably lose that game. I could live with that, but I can’t forgive not even making the attempt.
At times it comes down to percentages. In my opinion, that is what situational football is all about. If you are in the 1st quarter, 3rd and goal from the 10, whether you throw it or run it, the playbook is open. It’s not game on the line, and maybe you want to show unpredictability, set up a bigger play down the road, whatever, you can live with a run play there, and 3 points. Same situation with only 3 seconds left in the game, down by 5, to run it is idiocy. There is no percentage in that play. IMO that is essentially what we did, and it’s not the first time Gase has taken really low percentage plays into big moments.
I think I hit my quota for post length today, lol.
I think a lot of it is a confidence thing in what’s happening in the game at the time. Like I said if we can’t execute some simple plays what plays should be run? The run didn’t work and the short passes didn’t work so Gase likely said I’m not going to turn it over here and put it in the hands of the defense and that didn’t work either. Was that conservative, yes, but sometimes you go with your gut. If it works everyone is happy. When it doesn’t work everyone is pissed off.
I was disappointed in the defense because I didn’t think we were going to give it up the way we did. I thought we were going to stop them. We didn’t. 😦
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 6:53 pm
no. it’s not.
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Sigh, it’s textbook false equivalency, and not debatable. Do I really need to break down the statement to explain it to you? If you’re going to truck in logical fallacy, at least own up to it when you get called on it, and move on to valid points. You do make plenty of valid points without having to resort to flawed logic.
^ impressive!
Without getting into the definitional aspects of the phrase….. if someone on this board is claiming Tanny is elite they are doing it in a real, real subtle way. Don’t even see anyone saying that as to what he could possibly be. Bigger fan of his than most, but think a top 5 QB he will never be. Average starter up to say #6…..could see.
That’s the problem with Naugahyde…It’s not real leather and it really doesn’t even look like it.
there’s people on here who think that a no college qb can come in and beat him out. that implies those people think he’s elite. maybe it’s flawed logic to you but we’re not dealing with a lot of logic on this board to begin with. see: ORob
Stanger – I think he’s pretty damn near close to his uniform # if you ask me
Think that is what he is now…… was talking high end where he could be if all went we.
we = “well”
C’mon Hater…he’s at least 10 or 11.
He’s at 15, he really upped it with is 2 TD’s and no picks, completing 68%.
See…now you’re coming around!
Phelon – That is pretty close to his uniform # . . .
Math for Marines…It’s a third less than his number so it’s twice as good.
And before you say it’s not a third less…If lou can just make shit up and say it, so can I!
So let’s say Tannehill is middle of the pack. Some think he can be better than that, others think he’s worse. Okay fine. The problem is our offense isn’t middle of the pack and neither is our defense. They are both towards the bottom. Neither is because of just a few players. Lots of decisions will have to be made in the offseason.
I personally don’t care what has to be done to make this team better. I’m a Dolphins fan first, not a fan of the owner, FO, coaches or a handful of players first. I want us to be good and win just as much as anyone.
#12 was his bestest, he likely will never see better than that, not on this team with Gase as the HC. Not that I agree with ESPN’s own QBR, but they give credit for a more dynamic QB, and Tannehill is always near the bottom with their rating, even this year and 2016, his best seasons
Tim,
To be honest I don’t understand the statement ‘if we can’t execute some simple plays what plays should be run?’
This wasn’t Cincinnati, where we were allowing free rushers every pass play after our tackles went out. It’s not like we were getting sacked every dropback, or fumbling every snap. We also weren’t turning it over every drive.
We had a couple of drives that didn’t go anywhere. That means we suddenly can’t execute a 10 yd pass in a critical moment? Or two critical moments? So we essentially give up our possession of the ball. To put it in the hands of a defense that hadn’t got a stop since the first drive of the 2nd half?
If that was our coaches thought process, I hate the end game decisions even more. This offense goes through stretches where it doesn’t move the ball. Then suddenly it can. That is who we have been all year. We see it almost every game. It happened in the 1st half of this game. We scored our opening drive, then struggled, then scored again.
Maybe one of those end game 3rd downs we could have completed a flippin 10 yard pass. It’s not a 40 yd bomb down the field we’re asking for. It’s a 10 yd pass. It’s a much higher percentage play than a 10 yd run.
I think our coach made another poor play call decision in a critical moment that gave us next to no chance to win. I feel I’ve seen it enough to not want him calling plays anymore.
I understand you disagree, and think the coach was trying something because he felt the other things weren’t working, and you are ok with it. We both have our opinions and both are valid points of view. We can agree to disagree about this.
It’s not that I disagree, but like you said earlier none of us know all the details that go into the decisions. Like you also said earlier we’re decimated and going to have a hard time competing at a high level anyway. The coaches have to deal with that too and have to try to win the game the way they think they can. It’s easy for us to sit back and simply say should have done this or that. We struggle to finish games. We all know that. Even in close games early on it always slips away from us in the 2nd half.
At the end of the day we’re not matching the better teams this year even if we made the playoffs. I think we know that now.
‘The coaches have to deal with that too and have to try to win the game the way they think they can.’
This is the crux of the matter for me. To think our ‘best way’ to win is to run it on 3rd and 10 twice with the game on the line is an inexcusably poor decision to me. My opinion is just that, but I bet you’d be hard pressed to find many people that would disagree.
And just to be fair. I know my last point is garbage, lol. Argumentum ad populum, appeal to the masses. Just because a majority believe it to be true, it doesn’t lend your point any validity.
We’re circular now, Tim. Let’s move on, yah? 🙂
Kong, it’s all good. I’ve already come to the conclusion that we’re not that good and Gase believes that too. Put it this way if he’s the HC next year and he probably will be he won’t survive another sub par season.
Cheers, bro. I have no doubt he’ll be HC next year, and to be honest, I’m not even sure I wouldn’t mind him as just HC. I like his no-nonsense attitude. I just want a different playcaller.
Tim Knight says:
November 27, 2018 at 4:24 pm
Like I said of course it would have good for the offense to do more at 24-14, but allowing 3 consecutive scores in the 4th qtr is not winning football either. I’m looking at the entire team, not just the same two guys every week. Unless we get turnovers we stop nobody. It’s been that way most of the season. Right now we have more flaws than just a position or two or play calling. That’s how I see it.
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Tim, I agree with you on it being the whole team, but that boils down to ONE guy and his name is not Tannehill. Gase is the problem. HE allows Burke to run a scheme that allows teams to pile up 400-500 uards per game. The defense has playmakers, it just is very young and the scheme has inherent weaknesses. I forget who suggested it but I like the idea of Rizzi as the HC. I just don’t like what Gase has done.
Ok, Lou. I feel I may have erred in starting this with you. For some reason I just thought you’d understand. I have never engaged David in this topic because I understand it’s pointless. But you did exactly what I would figure he would do if we ever got into this conversation. You countered my statement by doubling down on the exact same logical fallacy that you started with, lol.
(Sorry, David. That is twice I’ve maligned you recently with no provocation. But it’s the truth.)
Ok, Lou.
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professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 6:41 pm
“RT is not an elite qb. Nobody here has argued that”. Bullshit. When people constantly come to his defense and say he’s not the problem and that we can win with him at quarterback and he should be given more time that’s exactly what they’re saying.
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The argument: Nobody here has argued that RT is elite (paraphrased)
The counter: People have argued RT is elite (paraphrased, as the actual statement was “bullshit”)
Counter point: “When people constantly come to his defense and say he’s not the problem and that we can win with him at quarterback and he should be given more time that’s exactly what they’re saying.”
Substance: (Equivocating) people coming to his defense saying he’s not the problem, we can win with him, give him more time…is equal to…RT is elite.
Fallacy: Equating two opposing points of view as equal. (This fallacy is often cloaked because of apparent similarities between the statements or views, but they are not equivalent, hence the fallacy.)
Example: People could be defending RT, saying he’s not the problem, we can win with him, give him more time because they think we can win with an average QB and you don’t need an elite QB to win, etc.
Conclusion: The entire counterpoint statement, with the exception of “bullshit” as the premise of an argument, has no substantive value, and contributed nothing to the validity of your argument.
Hence, False Equivalent.
I really only posted it as a joke figuring you’d laugh it off, or acknowledge and move on. I didn’t expect an actual back and forth, lol.
People don’t have to come right out and say “I think he’s elite”. That statement can be implied and when certain people make certain comments about him like “no rookie is going to come in here and beat him out” and “he knows the Gase’s system better than any rookie does”, the latter being the funniest of all, and I’ll explain in a bit, they are making statements, along with other statements, implying they think he’s irreplaceable and, therefore, elite.
The last statement was a good one because people have been bashing Gase’s system and then you see that comment that nobody knows Gase’s system as well as Tannehill. But, I’m the idiot.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 8:44 pm
there’s people on here who think that a no college qb can come in and beat him out. that implies those people think he’s elite. maybe it’s flawed logic to you but we’re not dealing with a lot of logic on this board to begin with. see: ORob
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look here you goofy fuck’n moron last year you had benkert as our savior so excuse me for thinking you don’t know shit. your rants are moronic.
you’re right any conversations with you are over.
what a fuck’n douchebag!
When Tannehill was ranked 12th in 2016, he was almost the same distance from the 16th ranked QB as he was the 10th. I’m going from memory, but I’ll go with it. He was just as close to being the epitome of mediocre as he was to being top 10. He’s just not that good. Average among your peers isn’t good. Sticking with mediocre because you’re afraid you may get worse is how you stay mediocre.
I think there’s more to winning than just having a great QB, Tannehills best season was when he had run support. he needs help, most QBs in this league can not carry a team by themselves, I was more concerned with how our Defense folded at Indy.
What a stupid post…Look at what this fuck’n moron writes, is his last name Ross???
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professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 7:00 pm
he isn’t the quarterback of the future and they will not restructure his contract. they will attempt to trade him and get what they can for him just like they did with Landry.
Oregon QB Hebert
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Has rockback issues in his lower body mechanics that affect accuracy, especially when looking to throw a frozen rope. Base widens and weight leans back onto back foot. Will also regularly sail balls downfield, in part due to the whip motion of the arm, but also due to the inefficient weight transfer of the rockback. Stays on his first read quite long into his progression, and when he moves to his second read, it’s often from a place of panic; accuracy notably drops off on throws beyond the first read. Internal clock seems a little too quick, but return from injury may have exacerbated this phenomenon. Often a first read-scramble QB. The sidearm release becomes more prominent when he’s hurried or when he wants to release the ball quickly, and thereby short throws can spike down.
Generally struggles with pressure–again, considerations given for return to injury–and will panic, putting the ball in dangerous spots as he throws under duress. Will radically step in bucket/lose mechanics in the face of even faraway pressure, which affects accuracy. Most interceptions on tape clearly tied to presence of pressure, which DCs will note. Doesn’t do well to acknowledge the blitz pre-snap and has poor pocket presence–will step up into pressure or fail to sense it and become rather statuesque. When emphasizing over-the-top motion, a hitch will occasionally appear that slows down motion–but release process is generally speedy, if you don’t time the rockba
Nah uh! I see what I expect to see
ORob,
Ya win or lose as a team. In the end, neither side played well enough to win. I thought the D played better and felt the O was lucky and inconsistent but none of that matters. We still lost.
I would like to see Falk develop, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
What I liked about the kid coming out of school was he threw over 2000 passes and had 112 TD’s and 39 ints.
All I’ve ever said is Tannehill is an average NFL QB, and I’ve gotten ripped for years. Kinda suggests many here did not agree with that take, until now. Lol
Randy says everyone who ripped on him over his Tannehill opinion believes that Tannehill is an elite QB.
hmmmm, too lazy to search for proof, but I think this is inaccurate. I’ll let it go though. I believe your stance has been “below average” at best, but…..
Rock,
You would be wrong but go ahead and look. I have said his pocket management is below average.
Kong,
That isn’t what I said, but I do believe the phrase “high end average” was suggested. That was a good one. Lol
You didn’t say it, but it was implied……….
I’m just messing around, Randy. Lol, I know that wasn’t what you said or even implied.
Is it Groundhog Day ? I’ve read these same posts before I just can’t remember where… oh wait 🖕I will go back to chasing my tail and dropping yard cigars 🐕💩
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Randy, after the 2014 season I said I don’t think Tannehill is a sit back in shotgun and throw all day type QB yet we kept being that. He’s better under center with a running game, play-action, bootlegs, roll-outs and some ROP stuff. I still don’t understand why the game can’t be played like that anymore. It still all starts up front to run that stuff. WRs, TEs and RBs still have an advantage in the passing game in today’s game. Why does it have to be spread 3, 4 and 5 empty backfield all the time? All that does is create more nickel and dime defense. I’d rather put skilled players on LBs all day.
LOL Kong
Glad to see this place hasn’t changed. You come on here to post your opinion on the state of the franchise and when people don’t like your opinion they start with the attacks. Way to go.
that’s exactly what you did, you didn’t like my opinion so you insulted me. are you nuts or just a hypocrite?
There’s people here who think a 6th rd quarterback who was cut by another team and picked up by Miami is going to be the savior. Nobody is attacking them.
Face it. There’s people on here who attack you for the a difference of opinion because they are so hell bent on wanting to be right they’d rather attack others and call them names then admit they are wrong.
When I said Landry would be traded I was attacked, called idiot, moron, etc for my opinion. What happened.
When I said Suh would be cut same thing happened and what was the result.
Can’t come on here an have an opinion on something without some small-minded individual or group of individuals come back at you and attack you for your opinion.
What a fucking joke this blog is.
Love the counter with the “expert” analysis. Like they’re never wrong and there’s plenty of instances where they were. Even our own “experts” have been wrong in the past. Like trading down for Odrick instead of taking Earl Thomas, taking Tannehill instead of Keuchly and trading up for Dion Jordan. Yep, those “experts” really know what they’re talking about.
ocalarob says:
November 27, 2018 at 9:24 pm
What a stupid post…Look at what this fuck’n moron writes, is his last name Ross???
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People like this should be banned from blogs like this. If others can’t come onto a fan blog and post an opinion without being attacked by others there’s something wrong. But, this is the state of the country we live in to because we have a president who attacks people on a daily basis so we have other people who use that as an excuse to validate their bad behavior.
I totally agree you fuck’n moron, never said a bad word to or about you and then i get this! what are you a fuck’n quack? Go Away!
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professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 27, 2018 at 8:44 pm
we’re not dealing with a lot of logic on this board to begin with. see: ORob
Lol@Randy. “High end average” was mine. I kinda liked it. Poetic.
Above Average = 1-10
Average = 11-21
Below Average = 22-32
See, RT at 12 would be on the high end of the average scale. It is very scientific.
I thought RT had the potential to become above average. Now I’m not sure. Whether he never had the mentality or it was beaten out of him early on by Philbin RT al, I dunno. I do think the team’s current woes are tied more to coaching and play calling. If a WR runs a 3-yard route when he needs 4 yards for a first, the WR ran the wrong route (poor coaching) or he ran the correct route (poor play calling).
Trying to blame the collapse entirely on the QB in a team sport, like Lou does, is silly. Then to get offended, like Lou does, is sublimely silly. Rock is more on point with his faux “Denny must go burn it all down” rants than Lou is with “everyone is saying he’s elite/I told you so/I don’t need numbers to support my statements.” Being right about Landry or Suh and gloating about it is the epitome of throwing shit prognostications against the wall to see what sticks just so you can say “I was right.” Most guys here will make an effort at doing and providing some analysis when they disagree.
My scale as well with the the subcategory of 1-5 as elite, which I don’t think Tanny will ever be but apparently has said he will by saying no rookie we take would beat him for the starting job in 2019.
And reason I never got the feel for elite was his mentality, or maybe something else in his brain. Whether “feel for the game” or “the game slowed down” that great QBs have is lacking….. that part just not there.
Dolphins are 3-1 when Drake gets 10 or more carries. 10 not 20 not even 15. Get him the ball.
He is dynamic, i’m starting to like him, only in space though, you can’t force him up the middle on a continuous basis.
you can’t force any running back up the middle on a continuous basis.
Yes you can, and his name is Frank Gore.
No more Professor quack for me!
If you look over the years Tannehill hasn’t been that good but neither has the team, I don’t see him in the same light as a bortles,
along comes Gase and Tanny has a decent season. then he gets hurt, after his knee injury he was still in good standing with this board.
comes back and plays 5 games goes 3-2, lost to @NE and should have won the cincy game, at that point everyone soured on him.
I just don’t think the Tanny/Gase combo has been given a chance yet due to injuries.
NEW BLOG UP!!!