From memory, this is the spot where we’re usually facing playoff elimination. Sometimes it’s the Bills, sometimes it’s the Ravens, but either way, we come out on the wrong side. Adam Gase made sure that wasn’t an issue, so thank you Adam for leaving your balls in Davie, and thus sparing us all the usual heartbreak of a major clunker against the Bills. Despite the records, the Bills are the team on the rise, while we slowly decay from mediocre to possibly sub-mediocre.
There has been much debate about Adam Gase, Ryan Tannehill, and the dynamic duo together as a pair, and while there are two sides to the debate, there’s not a soul on this blog that believes Ryan Tannehill is now, or can ever be on the same level as the best QB’s in the NFL, such as Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Phillip Rivers, or even newcomers to this group such as Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff. He’s not even close to those guys. As far as Adam Gase is concerned, his ledger is incomplete, but he’s nearing the point of no return. I’ll explain.
So much was made about the wonderful job Gase did in Chicago with QB Jay Cutler, and I think I’ve found something about his style. I don’t think Gase should be known as “The QB Whisperer”. That’s way too sexy for what Adam Gase does to his QB’s. I’d call him “The QB Programmer”. The program is “BE CAREFUL!”
In 2014 w/o “The QB Programmer”, Jay Cutler threw for 3812 yards, 28 TD’s and 18 INT’s, a QBR of 88.6. Gase became the Bears OC in 2015, and “The QB Programmer” was born! No more pesky Peyton Manning telling him to STFU and let me do what I do, now I’m in charge here! Let’s look at this amazing successful transformation of QB Jay Cutler in 2015. Cutler threw for 3659 yards, 21 TD’s and 11 INT’s, a QBR of 92.3.
Seems to me that Adam Gase puts completion percentage and less turnovers as the hallmark of his programming algorithm. Never mind scoring TD’s, in fact, safety first Mr. Quarterback, if you need to throw past 10 yards, you better damn well have a good reason for doing so! I mean look at the stats of Jay Cutler here in Miami last year, in what looked liked a hideous, grotesque year for him. He completed 62% of his passes, threw for 2666 yards, 19 TD’s and 14 INT’s in 14 games. It’s all pretty similar. Thinking of how many times Cutler threw off his back foot or just chucked it to the turf to avoid a sack, 62% isn’t all that bad.
This past week in Indy was death knell for me for Gase. He’s more interested in the appearance of the game, “Gee fellas, that was a close game against Andrew Luck on the road, we almost pulled it out” What really happened was “Gee fellas, I’m sorry, we had a shot to upset Andrew Luck and the high flying Colts, but I went into a shell, my QB Programmer algorithm told me not to throw the ball past the sticks because, well, it’s dangerous you know, there are men on the other team just dying to take that ball away, and so you see, I took the safe route, and left it in the capable hands of our defense instead”.
Soooooooooo, we play the Bills in what has now become basically a meaningless game. The Bills threw up 41 points against the Jets, we just threw up against the Jets, hanging on for dear life with a 13-6 victory in a very painful game to watch. The Bills defeated a demoralized Jaguars team, but still, a formidable defense for sure, but a team with about as much teeth in their offense as ours. It’s a damn shame, SB7 wants to get together this weekend, but dammit, I don’t have it in me to travel to NYC to watch this team play, not anymore. I’d sooner meet up and go to McSorley’s Old Ale House, and see if we can deplete them of all of their delicious dark ale, rather than languish at Slattery’s, “The House of Horrors” for Dolphins fans hoping for a crucial win to make the playoffs.
Tis a sad state friends, and I believe as long as Adam Gase is here (The QB Programmer), and good ole #17, Ryan Tannehill is here, there will be more of the same. Hell, if I was Ryan Tannehill, I’d welcome the opportunity to compete for a starting job elsewhere, maybe he can have that Rich Gannon type of resurrection.
Anyway, wish I had more positive things to say, but alas, this past week and and frustrating loss has once again left me angry and unsatisfied with the Miami Dolphins. By the way, I shit you not, I was watching SNY this morning, looking for some positive sports news about the New York Mets, and on the scroll line, I saw the Mets hired Adam Guttridge as Assistant GM for analytics, I saw the Adam G, and I was like “WTF is that, Mets hired Adam Gase!!!!!!!??????” It got me ultra-pissed for just a millisecond, but that’s how i feel about Adam Gase right now. I want him nowhere NEAR our rookie QB that we draft next season. NOWHERE!!!!!
For those of you who still enjoy the games, I salute you! Bookman, I love ya man, I wish I could share what you feel, so please continue to bring it here so at least I could share a little of it still. Even if I get a sliver of it, it will be better than not having any of it. I admit, sports has made me bitter. Losing, disappointing seasons are the norm across the board for me now, Dolphins, Mets and Knicks. The hits keep coming, and I’m feeling like Glass Joe, ready to hit the canvas.
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
ocalarob says:
November 29, 2018 at 10:08 am
Russel Wilson was picked in the 3rd round in 2012, luckily we picked up jonathon martin in the second, thank god we didn’t get Wilson then, we would have been reaching!
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Reaching is subjective. Teams take players in the rounds they think they need to. By definition, them choosing to take that player in that round means that it wasnt a reach, its when they felt like they would be worth it to them.
Also you dont know if something is a reach or not until you see the outcom of a player, so its also completely hindsight driven.
We, as fans call things a reach. The talking heads call things a reach, teams dont call those picks reaches.
Thanks for the draft lesson however my post was more sarcasm than anything.
Gase had absolutely no head coaching experience and almost no direct coaching experience to speak of. Any hype surrounding him when he was hired was purely speculative. Nothing he’d done in the NFL up to that point even came close to being a HC, so there was no reason to think he could or couldn’t do it.
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I’m still torn on the guy but being a hot commodity in the coaching carousel means absolutely nothing when it comes to evaluating his performance. There have been tons of guys who were hot commodities who failed miserably.
True but until you ride that horse all the way down the trail…. you won’t know
D – Would you want Gase to draft our future QB? Do you trust him with that?
I think i do. If you look at who they liked in the last draft they had it pegged pretty good. They liked Baker, then Allen, and then Rosen. They didnt seem interested in Darnold. IMO thats pretty much the order of those 4, as far as how they look this year. It may not end up being that at the ends of their careers but for now, just going off that i think their talent evaluation is there.
Son those could have been lyrics to a song lol
Phillips can beat any guy we put out there at LG, if he wants to, and I think he wants to.
Wyoming, are you talking about who, that WAS avialable or who that will be available becuse ive already given plenty of examples of FA’s nexxt year we could get for less than we save cutting Tanny that will give us as good or better QB play.
I expect Phillips to very motivated Sunday. Eventually he will revert to the Phillips we know and get cut. But not this Sunday.
I don’t want anyone’s leftover back up or project QB. If they move on from RT let them do it through the draft. And I don’t care if they do a Ditka…get the guy.
Don’t go trading those draft picks away, you’re going to ruin everyone’s mock drafts. LOL
Replacing the QB isn’t going to change the problems with Gase so you either give them both another year to see if Gase or both of them can improve or you start clean at the end of this year. Gase has some good qualities, but I think he takes on too much and maybe it’s because he’s not good at surrounding himself with the right people or he doesn’t trust them enough to do their jobs. Regardless, it’s several years in he still has the same issues.
I feel like this front office is finally in the right place, regardless of what I or others feel about MTP, you have to look at the last few years and see how they’ve tried to build through the drafts and not sign terrible free agents. I think they’ve done a really good job, save for manage to grab a QB to replace or challenge Tannehill.
The pieces of the defense are falling into place. We’ve got some great young talent in the skill positions. Solidify the o-line, get a few more pieces on defense, get a QB and a coaching staff who can get the most out of all of them.
I wish I knew the truth about why Gase is so safe on offense. Is it Tannehill that he doesn’t want to expose, or is it just his nature? If it’s B, and not A, I don’t want him ruining any QB we draft with this offense.
I think Gase played it conservative deep in our own end. Also that Tannehill is wearing a shoulder harness might be part of it. Who knows if Tannehill was experiencing some arm fatigue late in the game. The team isn’t going to put that out there though.
Bookman – Rumors say that your Brewers are interested in acquiring Noah Syndergaard from the Mets
Do you want to trade Noah?
Very tough Tim, in the past I would think it would be ridiculous, but these days the way pitchers are used, basically 5-7 innings and out, if we got a nice package of top prospects back, I’d consider doing it, yes. Add in all the damn arm injuries pitchers get, I think in some ways it’s OK to have decent starting pitching and a great bullpen. Seems the way the sport is going, don’t you think?
Yep, I hear ya.
Tim
I don’t mean just this past game, which to me was absurdly safe, but in general. This is far from a wide open offense
I’m not sure the offense we wanted to run ever got off the ground. Remember early on Tannehill was taking shots down the field and hitting on some of them. Then he went down and I think Gase was much more safe with Osweiler who is not accurate at all down the field. Then Tannehill in his first game back, it doesn’t seem like he’s 100%. I’m just speculating by the way.
I think you have to have at least 3 legit starting pitchers, because in the playoffs, that means a lot. If we traded Syndergaard, that leaves 1) Jacob deGrom, 2) Steven Matz, 3) Zack Wheeler
Billiards??
Stitchball
we have 4 QBs on the roster right now, It doesn’t appear to me that Gase would want to draft a guy early with already having a full stable of QBs, most teams only carry 2 QBs
Stable full of broken do n nags. No Thoroughbreds, no Cracker cutting horses.
they must have some value for him to keep them, look around the NFL, there’s a shortage of good QBs that are starting so a Nag may be a good thing
if you really want a great potentially franchise QB you have to target him, how about the Alabama QB in 2020, trade down and trade the 1st this year and acquire a 1st next year in the deal. you will get that 1st at a discount, then next year you will have the ammo to get your targeted QB.
Not sure if that guy is in this years draft and if he is it would cost too much for us to acquire.
I like what Gruden is doing, that was a good move to trade Mack before the dead line, that’s when he would be most valuable.
how many #1s does Oakland have this year? i think 3….and 2 next year
Stable full of QB’s eh? Just because they’re in the stable now doesn’t mean they’re worth more than a mound of dung in the hay
Lol yeah a stable full of three-legged cross-eyed Clydesdales.
Cept Falk, he is to young to know if he will also grow up to be cross-eyed
I think the 2019 class of QB’s have players we should be looking at and we need to make an investment. Every year you find guys in the same boat as this one where you dont really know about them because you hear flaws on all of them. I think there are probably 3 that deserve to be considered 1st rounders, maybe 4. I mean legitimately good enough to g to a team and start the next year at some point, but with all of them it would be better if they had a year to acclimate to an NFL system. They could all learn on the job, there would just need to be some expectations that the first year might not be a blow the doors off success.
There are a group that are going to need a full year at the least, but they are also good enough to become starters eventually and be upgrades over Tanny. I dont see a reason not to make a move next year in the draft, cut Tanny and get a stand in guy, like a McCown or Fitzpatrick, veterans who understand the game a good bit better than Tanny that could help the rookie transition. We could get either of them for less than 13mil. We could get Bridgewater too and not only get a pretty good transition guy, but someone who might also fit our system and make the rookie a plus, one of them becoming trade bait.
I dont think any of the moves we can do, preclude drafting a guy next year and i seriously hope we dont waste another damn year before starting this rebuild project.
LOL @ D – If any of them have value and some team would like to trade for one of them, I’d be more than happy to oblige
I’d be down with a rookie or 2 and signing Bridgewater. I also think it would be the same as keeping RT17 for 1 more year. But if cutting him and signing another average guy makes everyone happy, so be it.
It wouldn’t be the same because it wouldn’t be staying with the same old thing and expecting different results. We might not be much better, but it’s more likely we’d be better with a change than not changing anything. It certainly would bring some hope.
At thispoint Fitzpatrick is significantly better than Tanny. He isnt an elite QB but he is an upgrade and he is really football smart and could help a rookie transition. McCown is a pretty smart QB, those guy just werent giften with elite ability but they do pretty well with what they got. Both of them are smart QB’s who know how to play.
I dont want anyones throw away starter but thats not what those guys represent to me.
I find it funny that people are like “im happy to see Caroo is salvaging his career” WTF are they seeing? He has 2 friggin catches and 3 total targets in 4 games since they brought him up.and the one last week was on a busted play.
Who said that?
Nobody here! LOL
🙂
Was on some comments on an article about offensive players to watch. Caroo wasnt on their list but someone was saying they should add him and then in that discussion a few started talking like he was making a big comeback.
I personally feel Bortles has more upper end ability as a passer than Tanny too, but i wouldnt want him because he hasnt shown that that ability is doing anything more than Tanny is doing. He’s probably damaged goods by now and wont bounce back.I wouldnt want he or Winston.
Fitzpatrick? LOL. OK
Now it’s just anything is better. I get it.
How can you say he isnt better? His performance have been better. Their OL is pretty shitty too. He knows what to do with the ball and when to do it. He doesnt have the physical talent of Tanny but he is a more skilled QB for sure.
He knows like throwing 5 INTs and 0 TDs last 2 games he played before being benched again. That’s been his career. Couple big games and then stinker after stinker.
Thats why he is a transitional QB, he isnt the solution to the QB problem, he’s a stand in until there is a solution. I dont expect any situation we have at QB next year is going to be playoff talk type stuff. Next year is going to be a rebuild year.
Rather see one of these older vets come in and coach rather than play. If next year is already written off as failure, might as well get playing time for the new kid on the block.
He’s 36, but guess that adds up to transitional.
A lot of people bash lawyers…. feel like bashing dentists today after my visit. Everything is sell, sell, sell, including bringing out the hard press woman who checks exactly what your insurance will pay for. Which is apparently the key to what you need.
Can I say what is needed or not?….No, but the game is clear. Smoking gun was when the doc said “we need to take pictures to figure out what to do.” Looked at him and said “did the full set you are looking at two months ago…why do you need more?” He had nuttin as he gave a look like a dog who had been caught tearing up the garbage.
Dont get one if you visit them and they have red walls or extremely sound retardant (im just talking about inhibiting) walls.
Was mant as a reply to SB7 below
My last dentist was awesome. Sucks that I’ll have to find a new one now that I’ve moved.
As tough to find as an honest mechanic. Ask people who they use. And if the answer starts with “my friend, brother, cousin or sis-in-law’s best friend” downgrade the rec.
I’ll give you Wilson as a better middling QB than Tanny.
But you can’t say with a straight face that he’s more than middling.
Come on Son you come with Brisset? That’s not even worth thinking about?????????
Look Tanny is who he is and who he’s always been!
I want to upgrade too!!!!!!!!!!!!
but I want to make sure it’s an upgrade! Not another 8-8 Non-closer!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d list the names of the QB’s from Marino to Tanny!
But the only break from throwing up, is Herds Noodle Arm! 😉
I’m talking anybody!
Draft?
FA?
Figure out a trade?
I’m open for any “upgrade”!!!!!!!!
No need to upgrade this.
Wyo – Tell me you’re not serious about Wilson. He is light years better than Tannehill, he’s a top 5 NFL QB
ORob,
To me, having 4 QBs suggests that they are not happy with who they have. Why keep 4 if you’re all in on a guy? I think Tanny’s health is probably a bigger issue but you don’t keep multiple guys at a position if you are really confident in your top guys. That’s where the old adage of: “If you have 2 QBs you don’t have 1.” comes from.
Or maybe they are planning on losing Oswieler to a better contract with another team and are sorting out who should be the next back-up.
I’m not sold on Gase being unhappy with Tannehill, or at least from what he is saying that doesn’t seem likely.
Tannehill has played 6 games this year and is 3-3, why are we ready to dump him? do you think that’s enough play to know he needs to go?
5 games left, we shall see if he bounces back.
ORob,
Bounce back to what? The same QB who scores about 1.5 TDs a game his whole career? He’ll be playing this season out if he can stay healthy. The conversation is whether or not he’s the guy you want to move forward with. He is what he is. Is that good enough?
Is Wilson better than
Brady
Rogers
Mahomes
Goff
Bree’s
???????????????
NOT top 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rothlesburger
rivers
luck
“Superman” that ones for Son
Wilson is top 10 probably?
It’s arguable!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks and don’t forget my other favorite Deshaun although it’s early I’d take him over Wilson too. I wish they listened to me and went after him, I lament.
Mike E
Tell me what the fuck Wilson has done without that Defense???????
son of a son of a shula says:
November 29, 2018 at 8:07 pm
Thanks and don’t forget my other favorite Deshaun although it’s early I’d take him over Wilson too. I wish they listened to me and went after him, I lament.
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So your saying Wilson is not top 10??????
I never said he was but I do think he’s pretty damn good
Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, Wilson seems top 5 to me
You put Wilson above
Wents
Mahomes
Rivers
Luck????????????????????????????????????????
That’s what my list said.
So I guess I’m wrong that the narrative here is about mostly about Tannehill and Gase. Oh and now dentists. LOL
This year Mahomes and Goff may be ahead of Wilson, but throughout his career, Wilson is a top 5 QB. Name a WR or RB now on Seattle. Wilson is still having a great season
So you put Wilson above Rivers and Luck?
Look at the talent Mahomes and Goff have right now. Look at what Ben has had the last few years
Wilson is better than Rivers
I don’t agree!
I think Wilson does more with less around him than almost any other QB. He’s had very, very average talent all around him on offense almost his whole career. He’s around the top 5ish. He’s also done it awhile, so I give him more credit than guys like Goff or Mahomes. Just me.
Beast mode?
The Leagon of Boom?
Doug Baldwin has been pretty damn good. Marshawn Lynch was a beast for them. Jimmy Graham. That defense gave him the ball back a lot which helped quite a bit. But I agree Wilson is very good.
His talent had nicknames for Christ sake!
Tim/Wyoming,
I said on offense. You named 3 players in 7 years. Lynch, definitely. Graham only really played with him for about 2 and a half years. Baldwin, meh. Decent…not great. So, really just one other upper echelon guy…..and lots of average to bad ones. His OLs have been horrible, so he gets the Tanny excuse. Lol
Baldwin has been better than meh.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BaldDo00.htm
Jimmy Graham was productive for them.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrahJi00.htm
You have a weird criteria for average. LOL
Randy, I would just like to know what above average talent has Tannehill had since you always said we didn’t have any? LOL
Don’t get me wrong!
I like Wilson’s Grit and fire!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t see him getting more polish with experience?????
still just running around making plays!
Tim,
I don’t think I said Tanny has played with above average talent, but I’m watching hockey and football while I post.
No you didn’t, you said Wilson never has which isn’t true.
Tim Knight says:
November 29, 2018 at 1:09 am
M13, what happened to not addressing the OL and all that? Now it’s all about Gase dink and dunk? Interesting! So now you throw deep all day with a sub par OL do ya? Just wondering how to do that new math. LOL
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You lost me on this post, and I’m not trying to be a d!ck at all, man: I’m honestly confounded.
I was JJ/BB because you always had concerns about our OL yet you want to see us be a sling it offense instead of Gase’s dink and dunk. That doesn’t add up.
Jaylon Smith is turning into an NFL STUD.
Yes he is and I’m happy he overcame that bad injury.
Tannehill’s talent had nicknames too.
Tim,
Actually, that isn’t what I said. My comment was more nuanced than that. Lol
Tim,
It just struck me. When I say average, you can just think Tannehill. That pretty much explains it. Lol
Okay, we’ll just lead every discussion with Tannehill from now on and forget everything else. LOL
Tim,
I’m not sure where you live but football fans typically spend a lot of time talking about their QB. You act like it’s out of the ordinary when it’s not. I’m happy to talk about the OL for the 10,000th time too if you’d prefer.
I mentioned something about talent around a QB and you said average is Tannehill. The entire discussion on this blog is about Tannehill, Tannehill, Tannehill and he did not play poorly in the Indy game. Then everyone blames Gase for playcalling at the end of the game and then back to replacing Tannehill. You don’t see a hint of monotonous? Then I get told that isn’t what happens here. LOL
Bitches
Tim,
This whole blog gets monotonous in our topics. You know that. You are just a fan of Tanny don’t like the negativity. When people are pimping him, I don’t see you saying it’s getting old and complain that we should talk about something else. That’s fine, but you know as well as I do that we repeat the same damn conversations around here over and over again. Lol
It has nothing to do with me being a fan of Tanny and don’t like the negativity. I’ve said many times I’m all for drafting a QB and if we move on from him I’ll root for the next guy. Which gets ignored anytime I say that like it never happened.
But monotonous is monotonous. I mean it’s like a mentally ill person banging their head on the wall over and over. It’s the same thing over and over and over. The blog has become Home. LOL
Son – Got word today. Won Punta Gorda. 2 bottles of Cristal into the win party.
Tim Knight says:
November 29, 2018 at 9:30 pm
I was JJ/BB because you always had concerns about our OL yet you want to see us be a sling it offense instead of Gase’s dink and dunk. That doesn’t add up.
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It goes back to Gase’s now infamous statement in the offseason (paraphrasing, not a direct quote): ‘the QB will have the ball out of his hand in under 2.x seconds, we don’t need to have a beast O-Line in pass-pro’.
What doesn’t add up is what Gase is doing. Neglect the O-Line (pass-pro being the focus in this instance), then one MUST get rid of the ball so quickly (2.x seconds)… hence Gase’s dink-n-dunk Offense.
This demonstrates that the plan all along was to play dink-n-dunk with Tannehill this year… as opposed to when Tanny looked really good back in ’16 for a stretch, before his knee injuries (note the PLURAL of “injuries”).
You forget the deep passes before he went down?
Who’s been playing in place of my MAN LT Terron Armstead? Yeah… that guy that a certain someone here always dissed: Jermon Bushrod.
Jermon has been kicking AZZ for the Saints at LT!!! I feel really good for our former Phin! We probably should have re-signed him.
Who always dissed him?
His name rhymes with Loffesor Pou.
LOL
Vander Esch is making a SERIOUS case for DROY!
Loved him in the draft. Thought he was going to be a player.
Tim Knight says:
November 29, 2018 at 10:18 pm
You forget the deep passes before he went down?
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No sir, I do not. I felt as though Tanny was developing VERY well in ’16… ESPECIALLY his deep ball. But unfortunately, our O-Line has only gotten weaker (in pass-pro), injuries have occurred (both to our O-Line and to Tanny’s throwing arm), and Tanny isn’t seeing a wide-open Kenny Stills anymore.
Did ya hear what Stills had to say today?
I was talking about this year.
Yes I heard what Stills had to say today which speaks to the 10 different OL we have started this year. That is why we dink and dunk now. Tanny has played one game with Stills the last 6 games. Osweiler couldn’t hit anyone deep.
Bro, whatever the hell we’re doing on Offense, it ISN’T WORKING. And I’m not talking about this last game against the Colts… I’m talking about the whole of this ’18 season. Actually, I’m talking about Gase since he took over in ’16.
I showed y’all this last evening: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/index.htm
Gase’s Offense isn’t working, and it’s not even as good as it was in ’14 with Philbin/Lazor with Tanny as our QB.
I saw NO throw a bubble screen on 3rd and 10!! LOL
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
M13, Tannehill, Moore, Cutler, Moore, Fales, Tannehill, Osweiler. Think about that.
And none of them took us to the ‘promised land’. NEXT MAN UP.
Carson Wentz went down and Nick Foles took the Eagles to the ‘promised land’ just last year. Our Bob Griese went down in ’72 and what happened?
I told management to sign Case Keenum before he blew up into an NFL starter… what happened? We could have signed him for $910K, Brother.
NO MORE EXCUSES.
Oh… that was to sign Case Keenum as a mere backup to Ryan Tannehill.
My record stands for itself.
NO MORE EXCUSES.
Oh okay. If only you were HC all would be just fine. I mean really, man? The Broncos are 5-6.
Gase has had to use 5 QBs over 2+ seasons, not two.
M13, did Philbin and Lazor ever have a winning record and make the playoffs?
You’re not taking into account the bad Defenses that Philbin had… and that’s on the HC, Philbin. Same thing here as it applies to Gase, if you want to blame a HC’s Defenses.
Tim Knight says:
November 29, 2018 at 11:11 pm
…Gase has had to use 5 QBs over 2+ seasons, not two.
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Then I’d say that either Gase has fragile QBs, or he’s not protecting his QBs enough via a strong, pass-pro O-Line.
NO MORE EXCUSES
I’m seeing bad trends being set.
Okay… Tannehill got hurt, Gase called out to Cutler, Moore and the rest are backups. Fragile QBs? You sure about that?
Our OL has had no fortune staying healthy since like 2010, I’ve lost track. LOL
C’mon man. I wasn’t the only one who dissed Bushrod and you know that when he played in Miami he couldn’t block for shit.
Tanny ranks 15th in the NFL with passer rating of 97.2
play calling options are more limited without Wilson and Grant.
2018 is a wash because of the injuries. 2019 Gase will be on the hot seat.
can you find a better qb for 13 mil? i doubt it. Tannehill isnt going anywhere, Ross likes him and so does Gase. in fact they may extend his contract to acquire some cap relief.
$26 million
If we cut Tannehill, we have $13M to play with, he has a $13M dead cap hit
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kenny-stills-says-dolphins-receivers-are-getting-open-but-cant-throw-the-ball-to-themselves/amp/
Yeah…yeah…the little bitch rec throwing his team-mates under the bus. I have seen Stills shy away from contact, he could be cut start of the league year at a 3 mil hit on the cap.
While I don’t agree with players doing that, doesn’t it seem like there are quite a few current dolphins and former Dolphins who have said things like that? Since Stills insulted wonderboy, he’ll be sent packing too. We’re going to run out of players to cut
Stick up for a worthless qb and diss a guy who is underutilized because that worthless qb can’t see the field
D, come on man. I agree with a lot of what you say and like your input on players and I agree that Tannehill is an average starting QB. But, come on man, Bortles is better than Tannehill? I have to disagree on that one.
Wyo
You pick the criteria for a QB, WIlson is probably top 5-10 for most of them, and some of the most important criteria like TD’s and INT’s, and passer rating, he’s right there almost every year. It would be exhausting to put up all the links, but you can find it on either NFL.com, or pro-football-reference.com. I’m not putting him anywhere where he isn’t. Do some research instead of just going by what you “think” he is. Add in his rushing yards and TD’s from those as well, and he surpasses most of the QB’s you mentioned. If you want to go by W/L, he’s at the top there too, although I don’t personally believe QB’s should have that stat attached to them.
Are we really paying Tannehill $26M next year if we keep him and don’t restructure? That’s over a million per TD. Totally worth it. Can’t wait.
Most of that is already paid cause he restructured. So depends if you are talking cap hit or in terms of real money in 2019.
$13M is the dead cap hit
Not most, that’s basically half. 🙂
And that is the realistic number they are thinking about back in Davie. Why worry about what is already done and gone?
Tim – What do you think of that big trade that’s possible going down with the Mets and Mariners?
Reportedly, Mets trade Jay Bruce, Anthony Swarsak, 2018 1st RD pick Jarred Kelenic (#3 Mets prospect), RHP Justin Dunn (#4 Mets prospect), and RHP Gerson Bautista
Mets get OF Robinson Cano, and closer Edwin Diaz
It’s creative, but how many times have we seen great older players come here and flop, like Robbie Alomar, Carlos Baerga, Mike Bordick, Todd Frazier etc etc
I don’t enough about our prospects and I didn’t realize Canó was 36. Jay Bruce makes sense for an AL team because he can DH there. I don’t know, what do you think about it?
Why assume Stills was going after Tanny? He’s only been back one game after 6 games out.
I’m sure it wasn’t just aimed at Tannehill, but the timing would indicate he’s part of it, no?
For sure…. but seems Brock the more likely suspect.
stanger,
What is he actually paid next year, I guess including his guaranteed money that’s spread over the contract, if that’s how it works? Is that the $26M?
$26 mil is his cap number for next year. His cap number for this year is like $9 mil. But part of that is cause he got a lot paid up front to lower his cap this year. Real money and cap money don’t always match up.
MikeE,
I’m not a capologist. I don’t even know what dead cap money is. Lol
It’s money that counts against our salary cap even if we cut the player or trade him.
Stanger – I’m not worried about it, but to say that Tannehill is here no matter what because of the $13M cap hit doesn’t make sense to me. You still have $13M to work with, and if you can find someone better or as good for less, why not?
Who knows what will happen, but am not someone saying Tanny here no matter what. Just not one of those he is gone for sure folks. If the actual cost was $26 mil would be different.
BTW — you have one nice team going in the Toba league, which checked cause we are playing. Good luck.
Thanks – Good luck to you as well. Bad start with Michael Thomas. I have MT in my money league, he’s hurt me the last couple of weeks. 2 very small games for him.
Not like Ingram lit it up for me. Only played him instead of Drake cause he was going on Thurs. Drake went IA and had no one. Hope he Kenyan makes me look like a fool.
I’m remembering why I don’t pay attention to contract crap. Lol
Stills needs to shut the hell up but that’s not how these whiny little douchebags work in the NFL now. That said, he’s not saying anything that hasn’t been said before. We all know he was really ripping the OL anyway. Lol
LOL
Stills went back to media room to reiterate his comments. He wanted to make sure it was clear he wasn’t talking about one guy.
Probably meant Gase, Osweiler and Tannehill together, and he’d be right!
Frustrated….. can’t blame him.
Ahh a word from the Nutty Professor, Hold the responses, no more time for you, we’re done, just politely go away.
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professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 30, 2018 at 11:06 am
Stick up for a worthless qb and diss a guy who is underutilized because that worthless qb can’t see the field
ORob — you don’t get to speak for the board. Way I see it he is head of the grave yard shift. And nice to have the board get going then while most of us sleep. But bottom line is none of us have to read or respond to any given post.
I’m not speaking for the board, just myself, if the moron can’t hold a reasonable convo without throwing insults i have no desire to carry on a convo with him.
I want him to go away from my posts.
But thanks for asking.,
My bad — by “we’re done” you meant you and him. And that played right into my don’t have to read or respond to any post comment. Good for you man. Just sorry misunderstood.
Stills later tried to clarify his remarks by saying he wasn’t criticizing Brock Osweiler or Ryan Tannehill,
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Maybe he should man up and disclose who he was actually throwing under the bus?
if it wasn’t the QBs there’s only one guy left and that would be Gase.
I like the way he did the MJ moonwalk after he made those comments.
Mike E. says:
November 30, 2018 at 1:02 pm
Stanger – I’m not worried about it, but to say that Tannehill is here no matter what because of the $13M cap hit doesn’t make sense to me. You still have $13M to work with, and if you can find someone better or as good for less, why not?
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how much will you actually save? at 13 mil you’re breaking even, could we get a guy for 9 mil and save a whopping 4 mil? will that guy have a 97.2 passer rating?
and please don’t say Fitzpatrick!
Main thing Tanny has going for him is who he is at his age. In a weird way those two lost seasons work in his favor.
I suspect you’ll see another three year deal for Tannehill, I’m thinking a 20 mil signing bonus to trim his cap hit.
No way, at least a 10 year contract, because he’s awesome!
Stills went back into the media room to say he wasn’t knocking the QBs and that it’s not about one specific thing with the offense.
But here’s the thing, Stills did have better numbers before Tannehill went down and then he got banged up. Osweiler is the one who didn’t get him the ball, and then it continued last week with Tannehill back. But that’s one game.
Tim, you’re right and I think that had a lot to do with us having Wilson and Grant. Teams had to focus/worry about them making things easier for Stills.
I understand what Gase has been trying to do on offense. All that quick stuff and really quick guys running around have to be accounted for, or you get those explosive plays. That brings guys focusing up front then you start hitting them deep.
However it has not worked out. Saw glimpses early in the year, but that was short lived.
I agree. When we had all of our WRs healthy we were a better team. They all complemented each other.
Now its all the offense can do. Looks like hes got no confidence in them, but will never say it.
ER, exactly! Then the OL started to come apart and deep drops became an issue. When Osweiler took deeper drops he got sacked a lot because we couldn’t block it long enough.
I also think this is what Stills was referring to but he didn’t want throw the OL under the bus either.
I saw @ the GB game, Stills wide open a few times. Brock never saw. And I mean wide open like we see against us every week but never see our guys getting that huge separation.
Kareem Hunt is going to be in some serious trouble.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs-kareem-hunt-attacked-kicked-woman-surveillance-video/?vtest=100
LOL
They are all idiots in this video. Got Hunt’s guys pushing all women and the women keep coming back for more. Seems they kept escalating the situation….call the frickin cops and let them handle it.
That said how stupid is Hunt? Go to your room, call the cops if need be. Cant do that to women….trash. Gotta know to walk away, no matter what.
Agreed and that last kick was bad. Besides his own legal issues this could really hurt his team down the stretch.
Last kick was funny. Not like it could have hurt. Just the drama of drunk/high people is entertaining. LOL
No it wasn’t a devastating kick but it shows no restraint.
BailBondMike says:
November 30, 2018 at 11:42 am
D, come on man. I agree with a lot of what you say and like your input on players and I agree that Tannehill is an average starting QB. But, come on man, Bortles is better than Tannehill? I have to disagree on that one.
I didnt say Bortles was a better QB than Tanny, i said he has better QB tools. Neither are any good, Bortles has a higher ceiling, but he hasnt reached it so thats why i said i didnt want Bortles or Winston here.
I got ya, and agree. Bortles just needs a better arm. Some of Bortles INT’s aren’t bad decisions, it’s just that the ball doesn’t get there at the right time.
I know it’s sick, but I can’t watch that video, I might cry. My hopes for a FF championship just went down the drain.
It is not on Ray Rice level….
He prob only miss 1 game if that. I guess this is from February….
That said, I went and grabbed Ware
LOL
Some tidbits about this and that.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article222390435.html
I tried to grab Ware, but he’s gone. I did however put in a claim for Kerryon Johnson, the guy who picked up Ware dropped Johnson. I hope I get him, not a bad consolation when he’s healthy.
Mike, I’m battling my friend for our division title and a bye week in the playoffs and Kamara didn’t help me too much last night. Only 6 points. I didn’t see a 13-10 Dallas win coming. 😦
I had Michael Thomas last night, that was a killer. I’m already figuring I lost, I’m up against a really good team, that 9 points from MT hurt me bad. I was already a 20 point underdog as it was, now it’s about 41. Still, anything can happen, but I need Hunt to play this week, or I’m definitely going to lose.
That’s tough. I replied about the Mets. What do you think of that trade?
LMAO!!!
I think part of Stills’ frustration is that he is getting open but in Gase’s dink and dunk offense he is not the first read. By the time the QB sees him, the open window has closed or the QB doesn’t have the time.
That’s what I said earlier. We struggle to block the deeper drops where the QB needs at least 3 seconds because the receivers need time to get open deeper.
I don’t love the trade. It’s typical NY desperation to stir up interest for the short term. Kelenic is a blue chip prospect, for whatever that’s worth. He’s a highly regarded prospect, but he’s 19, and you never know. Bautista throws 100MPH, but has no control. Dunn the team had apparently soured on, so that one doesn’t bother me. Cano is likely to give us at best 1 or 2 good seasons, not great, and then fall off a cliff. Diaz is the real prize in the trade, because he’s a great closer, and he’s either 25 or 26, so he should be for a while. Seattle is reportedly going to may about $10M per season towards Cano’s contract, so that means the Mets will pay him $14M for the next 5 years. They dump the salaries of Bruce and Swarzak, so good in that regard. Still, to me it seems like a short-sighted move, short term gain, long term loss. If Kelenic turns into a great player, it’s a huge mistake. If Bautista learns control, it’s a mistake. I’d prefer to build a young team, not a fan of signing a 36 year old player, who will deteriorate quickly, they always do when they come to NY. I also have a feeling Cespedes won’t be back until late in the season if at all, so maybe that’s why they’re desperate for offense. Glad they won’t give up McNeil in the trade
I agree with your assessment. I had no idea Canó was 36, didn’t realize he’s played for as long as he has.
cespedes
I’ll take RT17 over Bortles every day of the week.
Same here.
Mike E
I am not going to look up stat’s!!!!!!
Just start naming the best QB’s and see if he gets into the to 10???
If you’re talking about Russell Wilson he’s been top 10 and higher in passer rating every year he’s been in the league except for 2016.
LOL @ SB
Tim – FWIW – A-Rod says it’s a great trade for the Mets. He says Cano is in excellent shape, he loves NY, can’t wait to come back, he’ll knock in 100 runs for the next 5 years, he doesn’t strike out, he’s not a HR or nothing guy, he knows how to hit to all fields with power, and that Cano will have a chip on his shoulder to prove to the mariners and Yankees that he can still produce
No doubt Canó is a very good hitter and 2nd baseman. It’s just as Mets fans we know what happens to guys when they come here later in their careers.
Yes, Alomar and Baerga are two that stick in my craw. They were a shell of what they used to be.
What’s a craw? LOL
Wyo – Best QB’s according to what?
Your eyeballs Mr. optometrist!
Just a lowly optician sir, not an optometrist. So now we just let our eyes determine stuff? I don’t go solely by stats, but when I watch Russell Wilson play with that O-line leaking everywhere, he has fantastic pocket presence and elusiveness, and throws a real pretty ball. Plus, he can run to make things happen, but doesn’t look to do that first, always looks downfield. I think Rivers is a better pure passer, but Wilson is much better athlete that can beat you with more than just dropping back to pass. If you think Rivers is better, why hasn’t has team been to the playoffs a lot, and why didn’t he win playoff games? Rivers has been to the playoffs 5 years out 15, Wilson has been to the playoffs 5 of 7 years. Wilson is 8-4 in the playoffs, Rivers is 4-5. Rivers passer rating in the playoffs is 85.2, Wilson’s is 94.1. How is Philip Rivers better? Rivers had one of the best RB’s in the game in LT, and still couldn’t win games. Why?
The Chargers have gone through quite a few seasons where they weren’t very good. I think Rivers is good enough to win with.
Rivers is a passer. Wilson is a quarterback.
Wilson’s a football player. If they asked him to play defense, I bet he could, and probably better than some of the guys they have right now
Wilson is bad ass. He is the best QB from that draft.
Luck is the most talented of the group.
Like I said before!
I like Wilson for his Moxie!
But if you add the 10 best QB’s he doesn’t make the list!
Brady
Rothliswhatever
Rogers
Bree’s
Luck
Rivers
Mahomes
Goff
Fruiten Newton
Watson ( I’ll give you this one)
Staford??
You picken up what I’m puttin down yet?????
I’m not touchin’ some of what you’re puttin’ down. Mahomes hasn’t even played a full season yet, Goff looks promising, but man does he have a heck of a team to play with. Cam Newton??? Lord, please! DeShaun Watson is incomplete like Mahomes. Stafford? Why? WTF has he ever done? Wilson has been the better QB over Luck over his entire career, more consistent. I’d concede Rodgers, Brees and Brady. Probably Roethlisberger too. I’d slot Wilson as #5
That’s the way I had it. Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, and Wilson.
I think Goff is more a product of being on a really good team. I’m not ready to put him up there yet. I would take Wilson over Stafford and Newton too.