From memory, this is the spot where we’re usually facing playoff elimination. Sometimes it’s the Bills, sometimes it’s the Ravens, but either way, we come out on the wrong side. Adam Gase made sure that wasn’t an issue, so thank you Adam for leaving your balls in Davie, and thus sparing us all the usual heartbreak of a major clunker against the Bills. Despite the records, the Bills are the team on the rise, while we slowly decay from mediocre to possibly sub-mediocre.
There has been much debate about Adam Gase, Ryan Tannehill, and the dynamic duo together as a pair, and while there are two sides to the debate, there’s not a soul on this blog that believes Ryan Tannehill is now, or can ever be on the same level as the best QB’s in the NFL, such as Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Phillip Rivers, or even newcomers to this group such as Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff. He’s not even close to those guys. As far as Adam Gase is concerned, his ledger is incomplete, but he’s nearing the point of no return. I’ll explain.
So much was made about the wonderful job Gase did in Chicago with QB Jay Cutler, and I think I’ve found something about his style. I don’t think Gase should be known as “The QB Whisperer”. That’s way too sexy for what Adam Gase does to his QB’s. I’d call him “The QB Programmer”. The program is “BE CAREFUL!”
In 2014 w/o “The QB Programmer”, Jay Cutler threw for 3812 yards, 28 TD’s and 18 INT’s, a QBR of 88.6. Gase became the Bears OC in 2015, and “The QB Programmer” was born! No more pesky Peyton Manning telling him to STFU and let me do what I do, now I’m in charge here! Let’s look at this amazing successful transformation of QB Jay Cutler in 2015. Cutler threw for 3659 yards, 21 TD’s and 11 INT’s, a QBR of 92.3.
Seems to me that Adam Gase puts completion percentage and less turnovers as the hallmark of his programming algorithm. Never mind scoring TD’s, in fact, safety first Mr. Quarterback, if you need to throw past 10 yards, you better damn well have a good reason for doing so! I mean look at the stats of Jay Cutler here in Miami last year, in what looked liked a hideous, grotesque year for him. He completed 62% of his passes, threw for 2666 yards, 19 TD’s and 14 INT’s in 14 games. It’s all pretty similar. Thinking of how many times Cutler threw off his back foot or just chucked it to the turf to avoid a sack, 62% isn’t all that bad.
This past week in Indy was death knell for me for Gase. He’s more interested in the appearance of the game, “Gee fellas, that was a close game against Andrew Luck on the road, we almost pulled it out” What really happened was “Gee fellas, I’m sorry, we had a shot to upset Andrew Luck and the high flying Colts, but I went into a shell, my QB Programmer algorithm told me not to throw the ball past the sticks because, well, it’s dangerous you know, there are men on the other team just dying to take that ball away, and so you see, I took the safe route, and left it in the capable hands of our defense instead”.
Soooooooooo, we play the Bills in what has now become basically a meaningless game. The Bills threw up 41 points against the Jets, we just threw up against the Jets, hanging on for dear life with a 13-6 victory in a very painful game to watch. The Bills defeated a demoralized Jaguars team, but still, a formidable defense for sure, but a team with about as much teeth in their offense as ours. It’s a damn shame, SB7 wants to get together this weekend, but dammit, I don’t have it in me to travel to NYC to watch this team play, not anymore. I’d sooner meet up and go to McSorley’s Old Ale House, and see if we can deplete them of all of their delicious dark ale, rather than languish at Slattery’s, “The House of Horrors” for Dolphins fans hoping for a crucial win to make the playoffs.
Tis a sad state friends, and I believe as long as Adam Gase is here (The QB Programmer), and good ole #17, Ryan Tannehill is here, there will be more of the same. Hell, if I was Ryan Tannehill, I’d welcome the opportunity to compete for a starting job elsewhere, maybe he can have that Rich Gannon type of resurrection.
Anyway, wish I had more positive things to say, but alas, this past week and and frustrating loss has once again left me angry and unsatisfied with the Miami Dolphins. By the way, I shit you not, I was watching SNY this morning, looking for some positive sports news about the New York Mets, and on the scroll line, I saw the Mets hired Adam Guttridge as Assistant GM for analytics, I saw the Adam G, and I was like “WTF is that, Mets hired Adam Gase!!!!!!!??????” It got me ultra-pissed for just a millisecond, but that’s how i feel about Adam Gase right now. I want him nowhere NEAR our rookie QB that we draft next season. NOWHERE!!!!!
For those of you who still enjoy the games, I salute you! Bookman, I love ya man, I wish I could share what you feel, so please continue to bring it here so at least I could share a little of it still. Even if I get a sliver of it, it will be better than not having any of it. I admit, sports has made me bitter. Losing, disappointing seasons are the norm across the board for me now, Dolphins, Mets and Knicks. The hits keep coming, and I’m feeling like Glass Joe, ready to hit the canvas.
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Tim – How good are the Seahawks right now? I think they’re pretty bad, but Wilson keeps them competitive. He’s having a great season with no one at WR, RB at TE
I like Wilson. I’ve said that you silly king. LOL
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So does TMZ get in trouble for leaking the video? And why did the NFL wait to act until the video got leaked? And why did the NFL wait until 8:20 PM EST to make a ruling, when the video has been out all day today?
And if no charges were filed by law enforcement, what gives the NFL the right to suspend said suspect now, as opposed to February when said incident occurred, if they are truly taking domestic violence seriously?
The NFL is skating on very thin ice, here.
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BOOM!
Seems the Chefs* are more serious about domestic violence than the NFL.
WOW!!!!
I applaud this move!
I posted the video earlier. I knew it would be bad. This shit has to stop and I don’t care what your status is in life. I applaud it too because it sends a message to every player in sports, this can’t be tolerated or swept under the rug. Walk away and stop being stupid. He had multiple chances to walk away and didn’t.
Again, I ask: does TMZ get into trouble for leaking the video that the hotel — or more importantly — law enforcement itself would not provide? And why would law enforcement NOT provide the video, which clearly they’ve had in their possession?
Let it play out.
I just saw this, and though completely removed from the Kareem Hunt matter, I feel it applies…
Yes it does as do many other countries. I worked on a campaign about this a few years ago and it sickened me. The sickest thing about it are the consumers or there would be no market for it.
I wanted to highlight the part of “Hotels are the 1st line of defense”. So being that the hotel where the Kareem Hunt incident occurred refused to provide video, we’ve had a woman-beater running loose in the NFL.
Perhaps hotels should be more forthcoming regarding said incidents. I know there’s red-tape galore, privacy issues, lawyers, etc… but something should have been done about Hunt far earlier, being there was video to back up the claims.
I don’t believe in privacy issues when it comes to crime.
Tim Knight says:
November 30, 2018 at 9:19 pm
I posted the video earlier. I knew it would be bad…
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Yup, I know ya posted it earlier, and I saw it a few hours before anything was posted about it here. I was kind of surprised at the crickets when I posted that Hunt was officially suspended by the NFL @ 8:20 PM.
Nobody else seems to be here but you and I right now. LOL
I’ll be off for a bit soon too.
Me too in a little bit. I’m feeling a bit under the weather… like I’m warding off a cold. Got it a bit in my head and chest. SUCKS!
Tim,
Allow me to ask you a question. If there is ONE (significant) position you feel we need to upgrade upon, what would it be for you? Never mind who the player is right now on our team, never mind the ’19 Draft class and names there… what position would you absolutely look to upgrade? This is not a baited question, whatsoever.
I do think we need to add QB talent to the current mix. Serious talent, not a PS QB. A guy with starter upside.
On defense a DT who makes his presence known every week.
I hear ya, man. I’d add a DE to the early want list as well.
And with ANY kind of luck, we’ll get Sitton and Kilgore back at 100% next year. The RT position will be intriguing: do we re-sign Ja’Wuan or draft a new RT to a rook contract?
Lots of things we’re going to have to look at.
I’m audi, bud. Have a good night! 🙂
QB
I know James can be good, but he also has sub par games and major durability issues. He misses a lot of games. I would go in another direction at RT.
We need a season of Sitton and Gilgore. I can live with Davis at RG but we need a more reliable RT cheaper and another quality guard added to the mix. Tunsil has stud potential.
Brendel might be our best backup C/G. He’s undersized but always plays well or serviceable when called on and sticks around regardless of the situation. He’s a younger and cheaper interior OL at 26/27 that will likely replace Larsen 31/32 in 2019 – he’s always banged up.
Larsen has a 400+K cap hit next year and a $2.2+ salary. He’s gone!
Brendel is a RFA though at 630K.
LT Tunsil
LG Sitton
C Kilgore
RG Davis
RT?
C/G Brendel
OT Sterup/?
G Asiata/?
I like Ja’Wuan James personally, he’s a good dude. I don’t like his price tag for his overall play and durability. Sometimes these dark horse candidates on the OL payoff if you stick with them. But add to it.
What’s with Asiata? Why cant that dude see playing time?
I thought he was really good in the run game and how bad can his pass pro be? Cant be worse than Larsen…can he?
Tim,
James is one of those guys we talk about when they are drafted that need to keep improving and getting better thru their first 3-4 years, so we will eventually have a solid roster. James can be really good and is sometimes. He is too inconsistent. He’s like Phillips. He will get paid by somebody. He can play both tackle positions and has all the tools to be really good. Are we the team who wants to pay him, is the question. I would but I wouldn’t grossly overpay him.
How long until the Redskins sign Hunt?
That will hurt KC
It’s amazing how Parker is always hurt, some people just physically can not hold up to the rigors of the NFL.
it looks like Amendola is out as well, that leaves us with Stills..Caroo. Ford and Brice
Hey all, hope everyone is doing well
What strange season huh ? So many guy’s hurt but still managing to stay in the mix somehow
There has been some ugly football for sure but some bright spots too
Love this Miinkah pick, X is also doing very well, this D has the potential to be special
As far as Ja’Waun goes, think we’re going to have to pay him, servacable enough tackle
Can’t keep letting first round guys walk; seriously believe that’s a big part of our troubles
“Bigger fish to fry” than needing to replace yet another first round o-line guy
Need to put a little bit of nasty on the D line, also need to start looking at DE, I really love Wake, player and the person but it’s time to start grooming
I’ve been steadfast about Tannehills current status with Miami however…….
I keep reading how Tannenbaum is watching these QBs with great interest, first he was at a WV game scouting Grier next he’s at a Duck game scouting Hebert, and they say that’s his target..
I can’t see how that’s possible, Hebert will probably go to the first QB hungry team, maybe the Giants. it would take a wealth of draft picks to move to the #1 spot and i’m sure Oakland would be open to that conversation, I certainly hope they don’t do that, it would almost be another Mark Sanchez move by T Baum but even worse as far as losing picks go.
Herbert completed 221-of-371 (59.6 percent) not too accurate.
https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2018/11/nfl_draft_2019_oregon_ducks_ju_1.html
Then there is Thill, complicated
Not a hater, can’t really defend him either
He’s not bad in the big picture of things but he’s just not great
Just a guy
That said I’d be very reluctant to just walk away, be careful of what you ask for type thing
Beck
White
Lucas
It’s a really long list, really long
But I feel we need to upgrade the position
Not saying it’s all on him but he is a part of the problem
Can’t struggle to put 10 – 14 points on the board and expect to get anywhere, his fault or not it’s time to move on
Not to mention that when he does pull the right strings and has a receiver over the top or wide open somewhere his QB either doesn’t see him or throws a piece of shit pass.
This should have been to the post below Re: Gase
Gase is a different case for me, not real sure what we have with him yet,
Have not been a big fan of this offense but not convinced this is the offense he’s offering
By that I mean due to injuries, young player development, needed upgrades etc
I question how much his hands are tied ?
The fact that we got hit so hard by the injury bug, all teams do throughout the year but damn man
He still has managed to win a few, came close in a few, thinking we may be better off to see what he can do with a complete team effort
But hey I’ve been wrong before lol
Happy Birthday Piggi
🐽🎂🍻🎉
You’re awesome, have a great one
I watched videos of Dwayne Haskins last night – yes
Great arm
Great vision
Size
Leader
He tops my board at QB right now as it stands
He and Brissett would make a formidable group.
Smart guy too. My understanding is he’s asked to do a lot in that offense and he’s always looking to get better at his reads, progressions and in setting protections.
Good matchup of top QB’s going against each other with Northwestern and Ohio St.
Thorson and Haskins should be a good one.
👍
I like Thorson a lot. He may be around even into the second round
Happy Birthday to Ocala Howie too
Come visit bud
Herbert is extremely accurate. His numbers mean NOTHING.
I’d sign Hunt. If a white supremacist is standing outside my hotel room for 30 minutes calling me a ni**er I’d go out there and kick the shit out of her too.
Decisive action by the Chiefs. “We asked you about it, you lied about it to us……you are gone.” And it is frick’n Kareem Hunt on a team with legit thoughts of making the Bowl. That’s drawing a moral line in the sand that every player for them will know they can’t cross.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE PIGSTER & OCALA HOWIE!! Hope the Fins give you a birthday present tomorrow. I’ll soon be leaving Tampa Bay and heading south to Pompano Beach in preparation for the Bills-Fins game tomorrow. Will take my brother-in-law Jim to the game. Mrs. OD’s bad back put her on the DL for the rest of this season.
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Going to Buffalo games always brings back pleasant memories. Like OJ Simpson losing EVERY GAME his Bills played against Miami!! –Like the Dolphins going 20-0 against the Bills in the decade of the ’70’s. –Like a certain Dolphins’ fan bringing a model of the Super Bowl VIII trophy to show to a Bills’ fan at a game in the Orange Bowl in 1974! I said then and I say NOW, “This is the closest Buffalo will ever get to a Super Bowl Trophy!!!!!!”
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YES, the city of failed sports franchises has NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL; HAS NEVER WON AN NBA TITLE (the old Buffalo Braves NBA team); HAS NEVER WON A STANLEY CUP and has NEVER WON a college football national championship nor a major college sports title (such as March Madness or the College World Series)!! All they do IS LOSE!!
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In honor of that losing tradition, I was going to make a large poster and take it to the game tomorrow.
ON THE TOP of the front of the poster I’d have;
BUFFALO FANS’ VACATION (then below I’d have–
#1-Lose to the Lightning Thurs.
#2-Lose to the Panthers Fri.
#3-Lose to the Dolphins Sun.
#4-Go home to Blizzard Mon.
But the sign was so big I could not bring it to the game!!
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SO I guess I’ll just have to giggle about it on my drive back home after the Dolphins beat the Bills tomorrow. I’ll take a MIAMI victory 23-20, in overtime, of course. As the French say, “The more things change, the more they stay the same!!”
Would have been an awesome sign OD, but yeah too long. Have fun at the game. We’re warming up — should be in the low 80s.
Kareem Hunt had two years left on his rookie contract. He’s on the books for 2019 and 2020 at least than a mil per year. Even if they think he will get suspended out of this season, have to believe some team puts in a waiver wire bid for him…..probably more than one. Betting the farthest he gets is the Jets.
I’d claim him. The video was a joke.
Yeah it was hysterical 😲
Was suspendable stuff for sure, but no more than half a season….. my guess would be more like four games unless more comes out.
There was a second incident where he punched someone. No charges but 2 incidents that were only months apart
I think the fact that he lied and there were multiple incidents was the key for the Chiefs’ decision
YOUNG STANGER: Would Oakland’s Al Davis have picked-up Hunt and offered him a pay raise back in the ’70’s?? Those Raider teams were not made up of choir boys!
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HEY, if you’re at the game, come on by and say “hi” to Jim and me.
Had a feeling wouldn’t be able to keep Jim away from the stadium no matter what he said….and this is his 3rd game. 🙂 Won’t be there, but give him my best.
Sorry, but the person who allegedly was punched in the face didn’t press charges and when you read the account of what happened at the hotel I wouldn’t have a problem if we claimed him.
So it was okay as no charges were pressed. Got it
Yeah. It is.
No charges in the main incident either. But as Ray Lewis learned the key Q is whether or not there is a vid. Guess no North Dallas Forty options for the teams and league at that point.
Kicking myself for being a fantasy dope. Saw news of the Hunt vid on this board right after it came out. Should have added Spencer Ware to both my teams right then. Release only learned about this morn….. but by then he’d been scooped up. Good job ER!
I don’t think Hunt will be on the wire for very long at all.
I thought Haskins was just another product of Ohio State’s system and be just average in the NFL. But, watching him and listening to you guys, he is starting to grow on me. Closed the door for me on Browning last night. He was sloppy.
Son, even though I am a Memphis homer, I hope UCF wins today. Keep the streak alive!
Happy Birthday Piggy!🥓🐽🎂🍻
Lol @ white supremacist….. yet had no problem partying with her all night til she didnt put out for his buddy……according to more of the story.
Fact is he had plenty of chances to call the cops on her if she was indeed a problem all night…… he didn’t. He chose to have that confrontation. He chose to lie to his employer about it.
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Happy Birthday Howie! 🗒
Stanger – I’m screwed in my FF league w/o Hunt. Right about playoff time too. I’ll have to run with what I got and hope for the best. Not looking promising at all though.
Least you ain’t playing Hunt in the Toba league this week….. cause I had him. So feel your pain. Least even if the guy with a bye who picked up Ware in my other league lost Hunt as well. But would have been a huge win if I’d picked him up instead.
The kicker for me is, the guy who picked up Ware in my league is in last place with no chance to make the playoffs.
Do you guys have a consolation bracket for the guys who don’t make the playoffs? My money league has one. Not much, but least if you win covers your pay up for the next season. We call it the toilet bowl.
The whole thing is hypocritical. The video comes out, and for PR reasons, the Chiefs are basically forced to cut him, which basically allows some other NFL team to swoop in and take their prize. That’s complete garbage if you ask me. If we lived in a normal society, the Chiefs could discipline Hunt as they see fit, along with whatever punishment the NFL doled out, but this PC world we’re in that can’t happen, which frankly IMO, is a sham(e)
You can see the scene at bar close every night of the week. But in his position he knows hes got to be smarter than that. But I don’t think he should lose his job over it
That’s the thing ER, it’s come down to optics and how things appear to the PC crowd. Years ago a team would just handle that stuff in house, they didn’t give a flying fuck what anyone outside the organization thought.
I figured he’d get 1 or 2 game suspension. Everyone was wrong in that video. That’s the way of drunken madness…..
RIP George Herbert Walker Bush. You always seemed like a good guy. If not always my agreement, you had my trust.
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Happy Birthday to Piggy and Howie.
I’m getting ready to watch the Herd take on Virginia Tech, a game that was added on when both teams had an early season game cancelled due to a hurricane. VT needs a win to get bowl eligible. The Herd is already at 8-3. I see the ESPN College Gameday crew has split on the pick for the game. If VT loses, it will be their first year being out of a bowl in 25 years, which is why they wanted to add this game. I have to think they’d rather have found a different opponent. This isn’t an automatic win for them.
Go HERD!!
My 2 fav freshman QB’s to watch are Taylor Lawrence of Clemson and Sam Ehlinger of Texas. Those 2 seem to have “it” and think they are going to be special.
Ehlinger looks good so far today against Oklahoma.
Stanger – No consolation bracket, just the top 4 teams. The team that took Ware is 2-10 😦
I decided to pick up Javorius Allen because Alex Collins just went on IR. Not quite on the level of Kareem Hunt, but another option if my other backs have bad matchups
If you own an NFL team nothing is more important that your brand, you cant be reputable when you have a woman beater on your team. maybe some teams (redskins) don’t value their brand as much. but i’d bet Ross would never allow that guy on our team, (see ritchie incognito)
Lamar Hunt was one of the people who started the AFL, and you can bet the Hunt family holds their brand an the NFL shield higher than any one player no matter how good he is.
this guy should be facing assault charges and i’m sure there will be a civil suit down the road, in fact i bet piggy and ken have already contacted that woman.
it takes a real dirtbag to kick anyone like that when they are down especially a woman.
If he gets charged, then it’s in the hands of law enforcement. If not, it should be up to the discretion of each team to handle it as they see fit.
That is exactly what happened. The Chiefs chose to release. That is what they saw fit
the redskins and snyder took an image hit when they signed that guy from SF, Maybe they jump on this guy too. any team who has the balls to pick this guy up is saying they condone woman beating, good luck with that. not to mention he’s on the commishes exempt status so he won’t be playing anytime soon.
I would take the case
I hate Direct TV. Damn rain!
Doesn’t that piss you off? I hate that
Hated that part of it, but man do I miss the NFL ticket.
Good news. Hes going to just get better!
Happy Birthday Piggy and Howie!!!
Dcoral, the main issue with James is he has durability issues and misses a lot of games. Yes he can play very well at times and he looks the part, but he also struggles at times as well. He’s not going to be cheap so the team has to add all that up to determine if he’s worth trying to keep or go in another direction. I wouldn’t be annoyed as a fan if we retained him but I wouldn’t be surprised or pissed off if we went in another direction either.
Extended O’Leary, NICE! Tough dude!
Texas defense can’t get out of their own way with all their penalties.
Ken – What I’m saying is, if no video existed, I’d be willing to bet large sums of money that Hunt wouldn’t be cut. Due to the fact that there IS a video, the Chiefs were basically forced to cut him due to optics. Do you disagree with that?
It didn’t help anything especially since it proved he lied to the Chiefs so yes in a way the video does get him that and the fact that he lied about the severity of the incident.
The lying they could have handled internally I believe. The fact that the public saw it on video sealed his fate.
Yes but it was the proper fate. The behavior is unacceptable. Yes he was caught on video and that is why he is out of a job but it doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision to let him go
Hunt also reportedly punched someone else in the face in June.
I don’t think the Chiefs had much of a choice (or if did made the right one), but different with one that picks him up as a very promising project.
Ken — remember me telling you how much I liked how he plays the game? But then felt the same about OJ. 🙂
Mike E,
I hear you… perhaps more than you’ll ever know, regarding the Kareem Hunt matter. This isn’t “cryptic”, because I’m for due process, innocence until proven guilty, and I’ve not trusted the media for many moons.
I’m not walking back my stance that Kareem should have been disciplined/suspended/released, but he’d better have his day in court. And IMO, the NFL saw the video and did NOTHING since February until TMZ put it on blast yesterday.
Once again, Roger Goodell didn’t want another black eye to his league regarding DV, despite the allegations back in February and the so-called “ongoing investigation”: he tried to bury this. Somebody had this surveillance video put under lock and key for a reason.
From what I read, “sources say, the NFL couldn’t get the alleged victims to talk to them and couldn’t get the video from the hotel or from the Cleveland Police Department.”
I suppose what I’m saying here, is that I do NOT believe it.
Oh okay. If they did see the video and stayed mum about it that’s a mistake. Because if it comes out later and it’s known they did see it, it’s even worse for the league.
That said, if they were not given access to it by the hotel and police, they should have had access to it because the NFL is such a public sport. It’s not like other businesses where it’s not public and can be dealt with internally.
M13 — they put out a public statement saying they asked both the police and the hotel for the vid and were told no. How could them not making those requests not come out? And as is, from a legal standpoint neither should have given up the vid. Imagine if I or your boss asked a hotel you stayed at for vid of you while you were there. Should they give it?
LMAO @ Stanger
I honestly thought the video would be far worse. If nothing else, the Chiefs have shown these young men that they may be held to higher standards and that the incredible benefits that come with the NFL also have some higher responsibilities. A smarter person would have walked away or sent a calmer person out to discuss their problems. Young people aren’t very smart though.
A big part of it is Hunt lied to the Chiefs when they asked him about it. Then they saw the video and it confirmed that he lied. They are setting a standard for their team and I commend them for that.
Thank for the birthday wishes oinkeroos
Stanger, I think it’s different with a such a public sport and business like the NFL. The masses don’t see other businesses live at work like they do in sports.
Why should whether it is you, me or Kareem Hunt change what is right as far as giving vid of what we do in a hotel to the public? And yeah there is a difference — it is TMZ paying off either someone in the police department or the hotel to get vid that otherwise would not have been released.
No not give it to the public but the league so they know what one of their players did and then act accordingly. It’s a lot worse when a guy is still playing and then it comes out to the public and they feel the league swept it under the rug. Not a good look.
But the league is just a company, even if a big one, and Hunt was on vacation. I sure wouldn’t want the place I worked for to be able to get vid of what I did in my hotel in say Key West or Vegas. But maybe that just me with too much to hide after good times on vacay. 🙂
Being a member of the NFL you are held to a higher standard, a code of ethical behavior, and if you break that code there will be consequences.
I agree with New Age. I thought the video would be far worse. People say he could have called security but the people in the hall didn’t back off. Based on the story from friends that were there I think the whole thing is ridiculous
He kept coming back and being physical with others when he could have walked away. Who the hell kicks people like that? It was also against women which everyone knows is a no-no. He was also accused of punching someone in the face in June. Gotta avoid that shit and he didn’t.
Jesus Tim. Did you see the video? They kept going back too. And the”kick” wasn’t much of a kick
Yes I did. Hunt should have just kept moving the first time and get the hell out of there. What… the women were going to overcome an NFL player that has superior strength? There were no weapons involved.
So now you’re going to critique the velocity of the kick? Do you kick people? Do you literally kick them when they’re down?
Mike E. says:
December 1, 2018 at 1:03 pm
If he gets charged, then it’s in the hands of law enforcement. If not, it should be up to the discretion of each team to handle it as they see fit
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i Totally disagree Mike, leaving it in the discretion of teams could be a disaster for the league, it hurts a team to lose a valuable player like that so if you left it up to the team they may overlook it when weighing the fact that they wont be as good without that player, then you have a league full of pussy woman beaters and thugs, it would definitely hurt the NFL.
Let the commish handle these matters. he does a good job in punishment!
stangerx says:
December 1, 2018 at 6:27 pm
M13 — they put out a public statement saying they asked both the police and the hotel for the vid and were told no. How could them not making those requests not come out? And as is, from a legal standpoint neither should have given up the vid. Imagine if I or your boss asked a hotel you stayed at for vid of you while you were there. Should they give it?
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Welcome to the red-tape zone… where BIG corporations always control biz.
Without giving myself up, I know too much.
And I am standing up for privacy rights against just that. Not sure why some folks seem to think if an NFL player is involved that they don’t matter any more.
Dude, this whole thing comes down to battery (DV). Not sure what you’re talking about.
I hear ya on privacy rights, but this violent episode was caught on camera. Why was this condemning video suppressed from the prosecutors?
I move that the NFL (Roger Goodell) tried to suppress the omission of the video. Reason? It would further make his league look even worse.
NFL asked both the hotel and the cops for the video and according to them did not get it. I think that right. Slippery slope otherwise. Not sure if ever mentioned M13, but used to teach law school….. not always about what you want in a given situation but how it impacts more generally.
Sorry… double-negative above! LOL
Stanger, I do believe assault which is what this was is not something we hide in society. Partying, being a little wild and doing silly stuff is one thing, not the assault of others. This country had an ugly past of doing this and officials sweeping it under the rug as you know. You can’t be a civilized society if you condone uncivilized and violent behavior.
Police investigated and no charges where filed and they had the vid. And never heard from these young women before now (which assumes they were probably paid off). Same time…. if the cops don’t charge on something where do you draw the line on where a hotel room can release vid of you?
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Chiefs fucked up. They have a genuine woman beater on the team but let go of Hunt.
stangerx says:
December 1, 2018 at 7:24 pm
NFL asked both the hotel and the cops for the video and according to them did not get it. I think that right. Slippery slope otherwise. Not sure if ever mentioned M13, but used to teach law school….. not always about what you want in a given situation but how it impacts more generally.
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We’re talking in circles, and I hear ya… that’s what makes me RIGHT. Had “Joe Blow” done this, the case would have been over and done with… dude would have already been spending time behind bars.
Our judicial system is so, so very wrong.
But Kareem Hunt was selling jerseys for the NFL… don’t touch him! Keep the $$$ rolling in! SMH
Lets not act like the woman was an innocent victim in this, but main charge that should be brought against Hunt is NFL player trying to lose many millions. Any criminal charges on him if brought would have ended up a couple weekends picking up trash or maybe a week behind bars. Unless he had priors, in which case could have been more.
Happy Birthday, Pork Chop.
M13, what do you mean by “Welcome to the red-tape zone… where BIG corporations always control biz.”?
The reason I ask is because I know where you stand politically and this is why some people believe in socialism. To not allow free market businesses to control the means and ethics of business through greed, but to have it regulated and controlled by the people as a whole via the government, with equal representation.
At the end of the day both ideologies are humans deciding what is best for society “the people” as a whole, or for “specific” humans/people. Corporations and government are not entities in and of themselves. They are both made up of multiple humans/people deciding whether to be ethical or unethical.
Not trying to call you out or anything, just wondering what you think. I often think about this and say to myself, are we just using semantics to describe how our American society is or should be? Doesn’t it come down to one power over another? Laissez-faire vs. equal representation. Or maybe that is what the debate in this country during election time is always about. Maybe that is the balance we need to sustain The USA. Neither ideology should have full power.
Imagine Haskins with Drake, Stills, Wilson and Grant.
Wouldn’t it be great if Wilson and Grant were still playing? 😉
Yeah it would. Wouldn’t make a great deal of difference with our qb’s though.
Yeah it would and it did. Stills can say whatever he wants. Playmakers make plays. Wilson and Grant were then went down for the season. Stills was making some plays early on and then got banged up and disappeared. I’m sure the OL has something to do with it because they can’t block the deep drops, but Wilson and Grant were making it happen on short and medium range stuff with both Tannehill and Osweiler. So is Drake. Sorry Stills, where are you?
Yeah, I’ve also climbed aboard the Haskins Train. We should do whatever we can to get this guy but he’s probably a top 3 pick by draft time.
We’ll be in top ten. Teams move up.
I’m hoping. Have Herbert #1, someone else #2, we give up our first and 2nd this year, next year’s first and get pick #3.
Maybe you think no rookie can come in and replace Tannehill but you can’t tell me our offense would be any worse with a guy like Haskins playing as a rookie.
I gotta be honest, I expected the video to be a lot worse. All I saw was drunken buffoonery by both parties.
Exactly. Idiocy at it’s best. That’s why the police didn’t care because it was a misdemeanor
Yeah, she egged it on with the battery and some guys have too much testosterone and too little smarts at that age. His crew didn’t do a good job of stopping him from stupidity.
His crew tried to stop him multiple times and he kept coming back. I’m surprised that some of you act like Hunt was some victim who could not have avoided this. The women were going to overwhelm him? Come on! LOL
Yeah, definite stupidity on his part because he is the one with everything to lose. Once she left the room, they should have just shut the door.
SMH at the TMZ label he ‘brutalized’ her. This is a great example of what is wrong with us. Ray Rice brutalized his GF (wife?). That would be an appropriate use of the term ‘brutalized’..
Police called it a misdemeanor. The video was a joke and charges weren’t filed because both parties would have been charged. The Chiefs fucked up.
Tim,
He’s a strong young man with lots of testosterone and muscle. His job is to get beat on weekly. He’s not a victim but I’ve seen lots of dumb young men and women. She egged that on as much as he allowed her to get to him. Cav is right. He had everything to lose and was stupid but wasn’t the only stupid person that night.
I’m well aware that there was stupidity all around. But the guy who is living a dream and had everything to lose stooped to that level and he’ll pay the biggest price. Most of the others will continue to be what you saw or just a part of society. Not a great football player and entertainer in the limelight. He’s the only one who loses here on a big scale.
Message to all people and public figures, walk away when you can unless it’s “really” self-defense.
I hate that this happened on so many levels. I’m also tired of hearing millennial 22-23 year olds don’t know any better. That’s BS! Not fair to the many who do. Violence is the worst reaction.
Sorry we had that scrum and you can’t see out of one eye anymore, or your broken ankle never heeled, or that I went to your funeral.
Maybe we as a society can make violence a super taboo in every instance other than self defense? Don’t cause it, no self-defense.
Hunt controlled most of the situation and was never in danger. This was a verbal pissing match that got physical. He kept it going. Walk away young man.
But it didn’t get that physical. I could see a suspension by the team for a few games for stupidly but the “domestic violence” label being used because a woman was involved is wrong. TMZ is a glamour rag.
The video is the key, not TMZ.
Haskins never seems to panic
Northwestern doesnt have the horses on offense to compete with Ohio St
That’s what I don’t like about college matchups. Some teams don’t belong on the field with another. But it’s all about money.
Well, recruiting has a lot to do with it and your top high school players are going to Alabama first
ZERO panic in Haskins. Very impressive performance today
Yep. Haskins has my vote. He comes out we need to go get him.
Going to be great going to the Super Bowl in 2021 with Haskins as the Phins qb
Lou looking at X-mas 4 years into the future. LOL
4 yrs? It’s 2. The 2021 SB is for the 2020 season
Thought you meant 2021 season.
CavalierKong says:
December 1, 2018 at 9:04 pm
I gotta be honest, I expected the video to be a lot worse. All I saw was drunken buffoonery by both parties
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can you imagine what he would have done to her if there was no one to get in the way. he showed he was willing to beat the shit out of a woman, he kicked her while she was down, typical thug pussy, i wonder if he would beat on someone who can beat back.
please pardon the grammar
ahh the buffoonery around here is getting thick, it may be time for another vacation.
Haskins leads college football with a 69% comp percentage so yeah, that would be my first choice if i was drafting a QB, him or grier
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Just like I thought. The NFL wasn’t even serious about investigating this.
I thought you said they did knew everything and likely saw the video but swept it under the rug? This story shows they didn’t have very much detailed information to do much about it.
I think it shows that but bc they didn’t take it seriously enough to find out about it.
I don’t know what their protocol is, maybe they wait for criminal investigation and go from there. But interviewing Hunt isn’t really too much to expect
My post was that M13 was saying yesterday that he didn’t believe that the NFL didn’t see the video. This story shows not much intel for them to do much.
Maybe they went by the discussions the Chiefs had with Hunt and that witnesses they talked to said Hunt wasn’t involved. Also that the alleged victims at the time weren’t available. I’m sure they get stories like this about players all the time and many of them there just isn’t much to it. They got blind-sided by this one as did the Chiefs.
That’s why I said yesterday I believe if the hotel and police had the video they should have shared it with the NFL. It tells the story without hearsay.
Interesting fact didn’t know about the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List — games you miss because of it don’t count against whatever suspension you ultimately get. That makes it a serious weapon. Bit unfair actually. A game missed for whatever reason should count as part of the punishment, but certainly give the league leverage.
Haskins is starting to become a Dolfan favorite
Is he considered a top pro prospect or he just another impressive college QB? I know there is a bit of a stigma with OSU QBs and the NFL.
The Michigan game was a game-changer for me. Sure, it’s not Bama but Michigan is a quality opponent and he showed the goods. He’s been solid all year but the Purdue game gave me Tannehill flashbacks. He dropped a fantastic TD yesterday. The other options are really poor this year(HERBERT).
Thorson did not look good last night. He is way down on my draft list along with Browning. My top 2 QB’s for the next draft would be Haskins or Grier. Depends on who else enters the draft, though. I am totally against trading picks to move up to get one.
Georgia QB Jake Fromm looked real good and poised against that Alabama defense. Draft Haskins/Grier in 2019 and Fromm in 2020.
I watched Grier all year. He is not a good option. I think there will be better options in 2020 than Fromm but maybe he changes my mind by then.
I would like to see us play a good game today and come away with a win. I think we could all use a little fun. 🙂
It’s a league where talent rules. There should be a more fair system in place for situations like this. The team that has the contract with the player is forced to save face by cutting him, and then another team gets the opportunity to swoop in take the prize, and then sometimes make a feel good story out of it, how they made a reclamation project out of that player. KC basically had no choice to do what they did, and when a different team picks Hunt up, no one will blink, because that’s what happens. If somehow Reuben Foster becomes a great LB for the Redskins, will anyone care how they got him? Of course not
I think the player should be suspended by the league, say 6 games or more, and then the team that has that player should have the first option as to whether they want to keep him or not, rather than be forced to cut that player so the optics look good.
The problem is the team that then picks that player up says to everyone we don’t care what he did. I think he should be suspended for at least a year by the league. Most people believe in second chances but that sort of behavior should not be treated with a slap on the wrist. Set the precedent that this sort of behavior is not tolerated. Do something like that again and you’re done.
You hit the nail on the head. The team that picks up the player says we don’t care, and that’s a fact, because talent rules. That’s why they should take it out of the hands of the team that has the player under contract, and they have a chance to get that player straight, rather that the team that picks him up from waivers after the team is forced to take a black eye and cut that player
New Age, the reason I mention Fromm is I liked what his coaches are saying about him. They said he is very smart and very good at reading defenses. When they call a pass play he is very quick to read the defense. They said he has a knack for quickly processing his options pre-snap and instead of changing a play he will go to his 2nd or 3rd option first since he predetermines who would be the open target. He did very well last night against Alabama. Unfortunately, when Alabama’s QB went down, I think the Georgia D relaxed a bit and Hurts caught them off guard.
I like Fromm a lot
Amendola, Swanson and Derby inactive today. Brendel starts at C and Larsen at LG. Parker is active.
Inactives
#9 QB David Fales
#66 C Travis Swanson
#68 G Isaac Asiata
#74 T Zach Sterup
#76 DE Jonathan Woodard
#80 WR Danny Amendola
#85 TE A.J. Derby
So our WRs today are Stills, Parker, Carroo, Ford and Butler. Want all of them to do well but would like to see Ford show something.
I’m glad to see Parker out there!
I want to see Kalen Ballage get more carries
we run very well to the left, we suck going right, if i were buffalo i would concentrate on the left side of our OL to stop the run.
Not sure why that is, maybe it has something to do with be dominate right hand and players perform better going in a certain direction than the other way.
Tunsil?
maybe so
seems the blocking flows left very well with Oleary coming in motion from the right side to lead the way for gore who normally tries to stay in the middle of the left side OL
looking for the cut back
Tim, my point of points regarding the Kareem Hunt ordeal is that the NFL claims to be very serious about DV allegations. I think that we what we know right now (there may be more coming), they didn’t take it very seriously at all. Last thing they’d want to do is damage their brand further by bringing attention to yet another DV matter.
Being no charges were filed in the case, the NFL likely figured that it had no legs… so just let it go. And let it go they did… until TMZ released the video on Friday and they suspended him (commish’s exempt list). I’ve been sayin’ that this thing reeks. Why? If Hunt warranted a suspension, it should have been done a long time ago… not out of a knee-jerk reaction to a video… where no charges were even filed. See what I mean?
That’s why I believe the video should have been shared with the NFL a long time ago. They got blind-sided as did the Chiefs. The witnesses lied and so did Hunt. But being that the NFL isn’t a court of law the only thing they could do now is suspend the player and the Chiefs cut the player which is what happened. Now let’s see how long the NFL’s suspension is for Hunt. That will show how serious they really are about this sort of thing.
Agreed!
Vikings better check the air pressure in those footballs since they are playing in the cold rain at the Pats.
How was Dick Anderson not already in it?
The PC crowd was holding it up because of his first name. It’s the same people who say they should stop televising “Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer” because it shows Rudolph being bullied.
LOL @ BBMike!
LOL
The Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer thing is absurd. That story is about perseverance. Everyone realizes that Rudolph’s special gift saved the day. It was about not judging a book by its cover. It was an anti-bullying story! DUH!!!! LOL
I’ve met Offerdahl, he owned a Bagel place right on Hollywood BLVD, there was a Basketball court right next to it, the ritual was to go play sunday morning basketball we got there real early, then hit Offerdahls, he was always there. he would actually be behind the counter working.
And was Offerdahl cool? He was my Fields before there was a Fields.
bagels with cream cheese lox and capers!
Lox of Lox
ocalarob says:
December 2, 2018 at 11:47 am
I want to see Kalen Ballage get more carries
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I want MY ballage to get more carries as well, lol!
allrighty then!
HOWBOUT THEM FINS???
I’m not sure if i would put the league under a microscope, The video came out, Hunt Kicked a woman on the ground. Just get him off my TV set, which the league did.
Since Son is not here….. It’s Game Day bitches. 🙂
Stanger, please dont speak for Son.
we don’t do that around here! 🙂
Today’s objective is simple: win, and we’re still in it… lose, and we’re all but out of it.
— Pretty good chance the Ravens lose @ the Falcons
— Two 5-6 teams (Broncos and Bengals) face each other (Bengals have the tie-breaker over us, GO BRONCOS! GO CASE!)
— Hope the Jags upset the Colts
Am done worrying about that stuff after last week. Just want the team to play well. If things fall later that still in the hunt, then they do.