I woke up early this morning and glanced at the clock behind my bed. The clock notified me it was only 7:26AM and since I’m off from work on Wednesdays, I decided to try and fall back asleep. This is the time when the mind wanders as you try and hypnotize yourself to fall back asleep. Damn the football side of my brain, because now I’m starting to really think about Josh Rosen and if he’s worth not only the Dolphins interest, but my interest as well. I tried to remain as unbiased as I possibly could, and think of the positives and potential positives of Josh Rosen on the Miami Dolphins.
Last year the Dolphins held the #11 pick and there was just the usual speculation of the Dolphins possibly taking a QB, nothing overwhelming in that direction. At this juncture, Ryan Tannehill was mostly recovered from his ACL tear and there was optimism that Tannehill could return to the form of the 2016 season where he played his best football as a Miami Dolphin. As it turns out, 4 QB’s were chosen before the Dolphins picked at #11. Baker Mayfield went #1 to the Cleveland Browns, Sam Darnold went #3 to the NY Jets, Josh Allen went #7 to the Buffalo Bills and then 1 pick before Miami was on the clock, the Arizona Cardinals traded to the #10 spot from #15 to choose Josh Rosen. The Cardinals traded their #15 pick as well as their 3rd RD pick (#79) and their 5th RD pick (#152) to move up 5 spots to get Rosen. Why did the Cardinals trade up to #10? The Buccaneers weren’t taking a QB, they have Jameis Winston. The Redskins just acquired Alex Smith so they weren’t looking for a QB. The Saints have Drew Brees and also weren’t taking a QB. The Raiders had Derek Carr so they weren’t taking a QB. Of course they may have felt that another team might move up, or they may have thought the Miami Dolphins would have selected Josh Rosen if he fell to them.
This whole scenario is somewhat important when trying to gauge both the Dolphins interest and the value of Josh Rosen. Numerous reports came out after the draft that the Dolphins had no interest in Josh Rosen, but is that entirely true? Is it possible that they just said that to calm the fan base that so desperately wanted a new QB and felt that Tannehill wasn’t the answer? If the Cardinals hadn’t traded up in front of the Dolphins, would the Dolphins have selected Josh Rosen as their new QB? I don’t know and neither do you but I’m sure Chris Grier knows. It’s a little amusing that this article itself was spawned from a report about Kyler Murray that Charlie Casserly released about how poorly Murray fared in team interviews. I don’t know the veracity of that report, yet another report from Daniel Jeremiah indicated that the Cardinals were just thrilled with Murray in their interview. If that’s the case, then it’s safe to assume that Kliff Kingsbury and the Arizona Cardinals want Kyler Murray and will take him with their #1 pick, which of course then makes last years #10 pick, Josh Rosen, expendable.
So what about Josh Rosen? He played on an awful team and to be fair, Steve Wilkes, a first time HC was fired after just one season. That’s a rarity in the NFL. Byron Leftwich, a 1st time Offensive Coordinator and Mike McCoy shared that post. David Johnson made his return from a broken wrist that forced him to miss 15 games of the ’17 season. David Johnson had a down year from the monster seasons he previously put up. He didn’t even break the 1000 yard mark rushing, averaging a paltry 3.6 YPC. He did score 10 TD’s, 7 rushing, 3 receiving, but Johnson had over 300 total touches, so 10 TD’s is basically a TD every 30 touches. The receiving corps was led by future HOF WR Larry Fitzgerald, and then not much else. Rookie WR Christian Kirk, Chad Williams, Trent Sherfield and J.J. Nelson. I mean, besides Fitz and Kirk, what else is there? At TE it was a combo of Jermaine Gresham and Ricky Seals-Jones, and the 2 TE’s combined for 43 receptions and less than 400 yards. My question is, was this all Josh Rosen’s fault, or was he playing on a really poor team with an unprepared first time HC that got fired after 1 season?
During draft time last year, the knocks on Rosen were that he wasn’t always coachable, and some even questioned his heart, as to whether he was fully committed to the game because he came from a wealthy family and he didn’t need to play football. As far as talent was concerned, I recall many experts stating that Josh Rosen was the most NFL ready QB of the group. He had full understanding of his offense and was very intelligent and could quickly digest and comprehend any NFL offense. He played in 30 games for UCLA completing just over 60% of his passes with 59 TD’s and 26 INT’s. Not great by any means.
One impressive stat that stands out to me was Rosen completed 63% of his passes in 2017 for UCLA while being blitzed. He possesses excellent footwork and throwing mechanics. In 2017, his receivers dropped 31 passes which of course negatively impacted his completion %. He has excellent touch on his passes and also throws receivers open, and also stands strong in the pocket. The negatives are he has a slight frame and is an injury concern. His arm talent and arm strength are below average. He only completed 42% of his passes when throwing on the run. He sounds like the Anti-Tannehill. He does all the things Tannehill can’t do, and none of the things Tannehill can.
I didn’t write this article to make a case for the Dolphins to trade for Josh Rosen. I wrote it to give a little information and background in order to be objective about the possibility. I really don’t believe that Rosen is an NFL failure. His below average arm would have to be in the right system, but we’ve seen a QB with a below average arm and lots of intelligence succeed right here in Miami when Chad Pennington was here. Tom Brady himself was considered to have a below average arm, and the fact that most of his throws are short crossers adds to the credibility of that, although I believe that Tom Brady works so hard, his arm is probably better now than when he was drafted. I reiterate, we don’t know if Rosen is available, but if he is, keep an open mind.
Finsmob Unleashed 
get Haskins
Rosen doesn’t seem to be the answer, something about his game that leaves me feeling empty
for that matter i wouldn’t want carr either, i would try to get Haskins, if that doesn’t work out i would resume my franchise guy next year or the year after.
If we could get him for a 2020 pick I’d do the deal in a heartbeat and then still have the 2019 picks to build with. Then we could still get our defensive guy in the first and o line help in the 2nd, add a wr maybe and maybe another DE if we like.
it may take a 1st or 2nd in 2020 but would probably take a 3rd this year, if we are going in that direction i just as soon give them a 3rd this year than a 1st or 2nd next year.
i get it, you want all your picks this year because it’s now,
i doubt we will pursue Rosen, he looks like a run of the mill avg joe that can’t carry a team when the chips are down, i’d rather stay with Tannehill.
I don’t want him.
We already suck at QB stop perpetuating it.
Parker for Dobbs 👍💥😎
I would rather have Haskins as well, but will he be there for us?
hell no, he won’t. that’s why you go get him.
I hear ya. I just hate trading away picks but man do I want a great QB here again.
we have a good nucleus, we will have 90 mil next year to bring in FA help, if it cost our #1 2020 pick to get a franchise QB i would go for it, or maybe we save that 2020 1st rnd pick and draft another Dion Jordan…Devante Parker or Charles Harris???
I’d take Rosen. Again, if you can get your franchise qb and still have all your current year picks to build your team with and all you gave up for him was one pick I’d do it in a heartbeat.
You know if we need to move up next yr to get a guy it’s going to cost us a lot more to do so and if we wanted to move up from #13 high enough to get Haskins it’s costing a lot more.
Of course, if the team feels Rosen isn’t the guy then that’s that. However, I’m still convinced he’s in Miami if ARI doesn’t move ahead of us last yr
If you give up picks for next year and Rosen sucks then you really can’t move up.
Josh Dobbs is the answer for right now. Parker for Dobbs, they’re losing Brown and have the QB we should have taken last year ( can’t think of his name).
and if you give up multiple picks to move up for a qb in 2020 and he sucks then you’re out multiple picks. if you could get the guy you think could be your franchise qb for only one pick it’s a better option. you’ve got three years of his rookie deal to find out if he’s the guy.
I just wonder if the Giants really have interest in Haskins @ #5, that’s a high pick to give up when you already have Eli Manning and i think Manning will be their starter in 2019 regardless who they pick.
The Raiders may have interest in Haskins, The Jags seem to be going in for Foles.
you never know…he may drop to us.
MIke E — great topical post with throwing info on Rosen out there. Yeah could talk about draft guys, but Rosen is probably more likely to end up on the team than any of them.
And yeah I’d trade for Rosen. And thing is we wouldn’t be tying us to him as the QB of the future. Contract would be cheap and if didn’t work out could take another in 2020 or do a big FA deal. That might seem like a wasted possible 2nd for him…… but the QB position is that important.
thing is, if you believe he can be your qb of the future and you can secure him then you go get him because you have no idea what it would take to get it done moving up in the draft or if you’d even be able to move up to get a guy you like. It would be the easiest route to getting your franchise qb.
Personally, I thin Rosen has exactly what you’re looking for to run the offense in Miami. On top of that he throws a beautiful deep ball and he’s very accurate; ball placement is very good.
Would be nice to have someone who is a possible QB of the future on the roster, and Rosen would be that at a relatively cheap price. Main risk factor is the Cards chose him to be their franchise last year…. and are now shopping him around. One thing for sure is that if they trade Rosen before the draft then they are taking a QB.
I would not trade for Rosen. I’m on the Hell No Brigade on that one, LOL.
The Flying Pig says:
March 5, 2019 at 9:26 pm
What’s the biological phenomena called
Where you have to go to the bathroom
But have to hold it bc you aren’t near a bathroom
But as you get closer to the bathroom
Your body senses it
And makes you have to go even more
How does my body sense the toilet is near?
Does anyone else lose sleep over this stuff?
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Its the 3rd law of Murphy’s 40+ year old spastic asshole. The principle is, when a bathroom is near, Murphy’s asshole will seek to release. There is apparently some correlation to passive, or polite, personal habits such as saying excuse me or waiting for your turn politely and how badly this hits you and how quickly the timer ends. This is to juxtapose the inclination to be polite against the desperation not to shat on ones-self.
You guys are missing the point and asking the wrong question. The question is…Piggy, did you shit yourself?
Stanger – A lot will depend on what type of compensation the Cardinals are looking for, and of course if Grier and Flores want him.
For sure that part of it. They want #13 and I say take a hike. I’d give up our 2nd for him right now though.
I think its going to take a second, i have been saying this for a while. I dont thats too rich for us, BUT i am not 100% he is a Flores guy. He doesnt seem to be a mentally tough guy. Its the one character flaw i see in him that doesnt match up to Flores and you can see those differences when you watch either of them talk. Flroes comes off as a man of few words but firm on everything he sayd, and Rosen to me doesnt completely match that. I dont see anything “wrong” with Rosens character, i just dont know if its matches with Flores. Again, they will know, and we will if they pass or if they get him.
when he was at UCLA some people didn’t like how outspoken he was on certain topics. but, he stuck up for his teammates by saying there were guys there who couldn’t afford to stay in a fancy place like him because his family had money and those guys were playing football for the team and making the university money but they were stuck in dorm rooms the size of a closet.
to me, that’s a high character guy
there’s a number of ways to look at it. of course, we’d have to want him and think he’s our qb of the future. otherwise, the point is moot.
but, if we do want him and we can get him for less than what we see it has cost teams to move up in the draft to get their qb’s then it’s a no brainer.
so, if we could get him for one pick vs multiple picks then the answer is yes.
I just wonder how much Gase and/or Tannenbaum had to do with them saying no last year. It’s a new regime so just because we felt that way last year doesn’t mean these guys feel the same way.
Lou – Thing is, at this point we don’t know that Rosen will be less than what it will cost to get a QB in the draft because it hasn’t happened yet. Maybe Haskins falls to #13. If it’s a 2nd RD pick then obviously that’s less than the 1st RD, but they have to want Rosen more than they want Haskins, it’s not just the pick. In other words if the Dolphins really want Haskins they’d probably be thrilled to take him at #13. What if the trade happens draft day, so the Dolphins wait and see if Haskins is there, and if not, they give the Cards the 2nd RD pick? A lot has to play out here, but it’s definitely going to be an interesting saga to follow.
You have to look at this from a leverage perspective.
If Arizona is trying to deal him, then they have other plans for QB, advantage buyer, which means they probably cant expect a 1st unless you just have a team that wants him that also has no needs in the first. Then there is when is that team selecting int he second. This affects buyer and seller, as a high second might have to be countered with a lower level pick in combo with Rosen where as a late second wouldnt. Then they every buyer is in a different position driving their demand, and that will affect Arizona’s negotiations.
My feeling is in a buyers market we get him for a third, but to me Arizona holds too much of the negotiation leverage (especially if we ask the to include Tanny in the trade) to not expect them to at least find a suitor that is willing to part with a second. I think thats still a doable for us, and i think we should consider it. If they are a match for what Flores wants to do, get him Rosen and call it a day. If not then save the pick, and make an alternate move.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
March 6, 2019 at 11:11 am
when he was at UCLA some people didn’t like how outspoken he was on certain topics. but, he stuck up for his teammates by saying there were guys there who couldn’t afford to stay in a fancy place like him because his family had money and those guys were playing football for the team and making the university money but they were stuck in dorm rooms the size of a closet.
to me, that’s a high character guy
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Not character….toughness. Flores is very admant about his players having a toughness aspect to them, and thats the one are i think Rosen is a little weak in. Not pronounced weakness, just not as tough as Flores seems to be looking for. I think Rosen’s “character” is fine.
well, I watched his ARI games. he looked plenty tough. Brady isn’t tough. lol
Stanger,
When you look at what is being said about Murray when it came to his interviews you have to question how good the Cardinals are at evaluating talent if they really want him #1. So, if they’re willing to trade Rosen for Murray I don’t think it’s on Rosen as much as it’s on the Cardinals.
I’ve watched Rosen’s UCLA games and his ARI games and he’s got the “IT” factor. He was on a terrible team with terrible coaching. Yeah, the interceptions were on him but I think he was trying to do too much because he didn’t have the talent around him, nor the coaching
You have to question a lot of things about the Cardinals FO. Why they hired and fired Steve Wilkes in 1 year. Why they hired Kliff Kingsbury and why they might allow him to take another QB they year after they spent 3 picks including a 1st RD pick taking one the previous year. That’s a lot of major screw ups in a short period of time.
Lou — if we get him hope you are exactly right on. Same time am guessing even non-talent scout me would have caught on if Rosen looked liked like a young Marino last year. How bad could the Cards’ coaches be?
Mike E,
I hear what you’re saying but if Haskins doesn’t fall that far or if they feel that they have no shot at him and can get Rosen for just one pick and it’s less than what it costs to move up it’s a different story.
Again, it all depends on how they feel about Rosen so this is all speculation. But, if they do like him enough then you just get it out of the way and have your franchise guy and then you know what you’re doing come draft time rather than wasting time worrying about a qb.
It’s just like any other position. teams pick up guys in FA or by trade before the draft and then they cross those positions off going into the draft. So if you can get your franchise qb out of the way it’s one less position, and a huge one, you need to worry about.
Do all of you think Rosen is traded before the draft, or will he be a draft day trade?
Just a bookie for sure, but they put their money on the line when they set odds. The three top favorites to land Rosen:
Washington Redskins 3-1.
Miami Dolphins 5-1
New York Giants 7-1
Lou – I guess what I’m trying to say is if the Dolphins really love Rosen, they would be willing to trade their 1st RD pick this year, right? I mean if they really feel he’s the guy they would do that. Once you change it to a 2nd, that’s more of a we think he might be a guy that can help us, and at worst, he gives us solid depth at the QB position so we’re in for a 2nd RD pick. Know what I mean?
Yeah, I hear what you’re saying but why give up more than you need to if others aren’t offering more? If it only takes a 2nd then why use your 1st?
I’m not saying we should give them a first if they’re asking for a 2nd, but if we really want him, we should be willing to do that if want to get him and other teams are in on him as well.
Right now I don’t think a 3rd gets it done. Even if the Giants weren’t interested you still have Washington and possibly the Pats interested and you just know Billy would throw his late 1st at them to get him. He doesn’t care about 1st rd picks.
Stanger,
I mentioned it on the last blog and so did someone else. Peyton Manning looked pretty bad his first year. The Bills took Josh Allen and he had a terrible year last year. Equivalent to Rosen’s. But, if you watch Rosen play and you see his throws and some of those where he’s dropping dimes he is very impressive.
He avoids pressure well, his ball placement is REALLY good, he’s accurate and he seems to have a really high football i.q.
Again, it depends on how the team feels about him but any qb is a big ? until he actually shows he’s not. I love Haskins and the team may too but it doesn’t mean he’s going to turn out great until he shows it. You have to project what you think a player can be. That’s all these teams can do and coaching will make a huge difference and I think we’ve got the guys.
I actually agree with your assessment on his QB skills. The things i saw him do that did not look good were rookie shit and will work themselves out. The other issues i saw looked like chemistry issues, which are to be expected from a rookie QB that was thrust into starting earlier than expected. I dont see any major issues with him as a QB.
Mike E. says:
March 6, 2019 at 11:24 am
Do all of you think Rosen is traded before the draft, or will he be a draft day trade?
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Feels like a prior to draft type of trade. It actually strengthens their position if they want to trade the first since they are like, give us what we want or we just sit here and make our selection.
Thanks for the answer D -I wasn’t saying we should give them a first when they’re asking for a second, but if we had to give a first because of a bidding war, if we did surrender a 1st, that would indicate to me that we’re all in on Rosen and we’re not just taking a flier.
Ha, this was a reply to your next post at 11:51.
Mike E. says:
March 6, 2019 at 11:27 am
Lou – I guess what I’m trying to say is if the Dolphins really love Rosen, they would be willing to trade their 1st RD pick this year, right? I mean if they really feel he’s the guy they would do that. Once you change it to a 2nd, that’s more of a we think he might be a guy that can help us, and at worst, he gives us solid depth at the QB position so we’re in for a 2nd RD pick. Know what I mean?
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I think i answer this one Mikey in an earlier comment. Its about leverage, Arizona really isnt in a position to ask for a first. They MIGHT find soeone that can be persuaded to give them a first but ultimately they know just engaging in a trade negotiation lets the other team know they have different plans than for Rosen being their QB. That takes a first off the table because they aren’t in the position to leverage a 1st anymore, not from 90% of the teams that might be interested.
You are right that us being willing to part with a first boils down to how much we see him as the answer (which i dont think you have too many “guarantees” available this time of year) but we also know that we can get him for less because of the position Arizona is in, so why would we offer a 1st, when we know they arent really in the position to demand one.
I’m gonna guess that Rosen ends up on the Skins cause of the simple fact that have complete faith that Dan Synder never entered a bidding war he couldn’t win….. even if winning means he looks like a fool after.
You gotta wonder if the Jags get into the mix. They’re in negative cap hell right now and are trying to clear some cap space. So I’m not really convinced they sign Foles and if they could get Rosen instead on a rookie deal why not do it?
If I’m a team looking for a franchise qb and I’m interested in Rosen I just call ARI and ask them if they’re really looking to trade him and if they dick around I say “well, I was interested in making an offer but if you’re going to dick around then I’ll see you around” and hang up.
Are you calling from a smart phone or a land line? I’d call from a land line so you can slam the receiver down for effect. Just swiping end call doesn’t work that way.
Jim Gaffigan?
I know who Jim Gaffigan is, he’s a comedian, Did he say that? I just thought of that myself, but if Jim did it first, I guess I’m late with the joke.
yeah, it’s funny because I was watching one of his Netflix specials two nights ago and he said the same thing. one other thing he said which I couldn’t stop laughing at was he has a landline just in case all the cell towers go out. then he can call……………………nobody. LMAO!!
Mike E,
to answer your question from yesterday about who was asking the questions and who was answering them it was NFL Draft Diamonds was asking the question to 12 NFL scouts and that was the answers they were getting.
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From last night about Branch being waived – he’s no longer listed on our roster on spotrac.
$7M and when Tannehill is gone it’s another #13M
Goes to show how much I pay attention. I didn’t realize we already exercised the 5th yr option on Parker and he’s signed thru 2019. Just hope it’s worth it.
Don’t think so, the decision doesn’t have to be made until the new NFL year March 14.
it was exercised in April of 2018, believe it or not. I thought the same thing
They can rescind it. I just read the other day I think it was Armando suggesting Parker would be one of the vets released. We had the same situation with James last year but didn’t rescind the 5th year option.
yeah, I see now. they must pick up the option after the player’s 3rd yr and they can rescind up until the beginning of the year or it becomes fully guaranteed at that time
I also didn’t realize that 5th yr option on Parker has zero dead money so they could either trade him or cut him with no negative effect on the cap. That’s cool
Once you take the option it only becomes guaranteed because of injury. So can cut away until then even if not sure when becomes locked in. And Tim’s start of the league year makes sense.
well, he’s signed thru 2019 at this point. I didn’t think they did it yet either. I thought the same thing, they wouldn’t need to do so until March 13 but they jumped the gun.
There is a 5th year option deadline that they had to take last year or he would become a FA and they chose to do so. Given that he didn’t get hurt and became locked in financially….. lets just see what they do. Can cut if they want.
Who McShay has us taking in his latest mock (and yeah he has Murray (#1) and Haskins (#6) already long gone.
“If the Ryan Tannehill era is indeed coming to a close, Lock would give new offensive coordinator Chad O’Shea a quarterback to develop. Lock has great mobility and arm strength, even though he needs some work with mechanics and ball placement.”
yeah, let’s get another project
Beat writers jumped to The Athletic which you need an online subscription to read. You can read all the stuff you want for free and that rag thinks people are going to pay to read what Chris Perkins has to say about the Phins?
Yeah I noticed that a couple of weeks ago. Everything I clicked on was The Athletic.
Lou, right with Parker. If he had gotten hurt the 5th year would have been guaranteed and on the books for 2019 but that didn’t happen. I’m sure we’re looking to see if anyone is willing to trade for him.
Yeah 5th year is a wierd thing, you agree to exercise it but you ca rescind, unless the player gets hurt then there is o guarantees until the beginning of the new year at which it becomes fully guaranteed lol.
Sorry should have read …..unless the player gets hurt than you cant rescind. Also it has 0 guarantees until the beginning….
Releasing Tannehill, Quinn, Parker and Sitton would give us $40.6+M in cap space. Amendola and Spence would be another $9.25M.
so we’re in good shape with cap
whats the desd cap space though?
Oh you motherfu……..
I don’t know what the dead cap is but we could end up with upwards of $60M in cap to spend depending on who we cut.
$13+M for Tannehill and $2M for Sitton. The others have no dead cap.
He’s being a smart ass lol……
now you know why people eat pork
If i was Flores and i liked Amendola, id just extend him, tack on a year and shift his deal from 1 year 6mil to 2 years 8 mil 4 guaranteed. gives a couple mil back from the cap and he gets a guy to help transition the offense. I think Amendola is the rigght type person to have on board for Flores in particula. Like a coach/player
Spence to me isnt anything specia so cutting him isnt a big deal, and he isnt overly expensive so keeping him isnt a big deal either.
Yeah that’s why I added him and Spence as an afterthought. Both might stick around as transition players.
I’d be hard pressed to do that. I know there’s no guarantee what kind of production a rookie will have but with Stills, Grant and Wilson we have a veteran presence and we could save money by drafting a couple of guys and even bringing in a few udfa’s to look at.
It’s not secret how much I like Zaccheaus and he’s smaller but he’s got great hands, almost Landry-like, and he’s quicker and faster than Amendola. I’d take a flyer on him in a heartbeat. Great person too. Just the type Flores would love to have on the team.
If we released all of the players I mentioned above we’d have about $67M in cap space.
Well looks like we dont have to worry about Brown going to Gase and the Jets. Still gotta worry about them getting Bell though.
We’re in a phase where we don’t need to worry about what other teams do. We need to just stick with our plan and then kick all their asses 3 years from now. LOL
Lou, something else i somewhat agreed with you on from earlier is that the WR’s in the class arent as bad as everyone said, BUT what most of them are are speed merchants. There aren’t a ton of great route runners in this group. This is one of the faster groups however i have seen in a while so if speed is your thing, its a strong group.
That’s why I like Cody Thompson and Olamide Zacchaeus so much. They run really good routes.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
March 6, 2019 at 2:04 pm
I’d be hard pressed to do that. I know there’s no guarantee what kind of production a rookie will have but with Stills, Grant and Wilson we have a veteran presence and we could save money by drafting a couple of guys and even bringing in a few udfa’s to look at.
It’s not secret how much I like Zaccheaus and he’s smaller but he’s got great hands, almost Landry-like, and he’s quicker and faster than Amendola. I’d take a flyer on him in a heartbeat. Great person too. Just the type Flores would love to have on the team.
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Im more into it as Amendola being a Flores personality person, tough, gritty full of heart. Team first guy. He helps with the culture transition as much as he does the offensive transition. Im sure others could come in and do the same but you already know Amendola will, you have to guess on a new guy.
Oh and i have a few WR’s really wouldnt mind seeing on our team that i also thing represnet the right kind of player, like Hunter Renfrow. Still Amendola might be a good keep, but id like to get his cap hit down some.
Id rather them get rid of Stills than Amendola.
You would get almost the same amount back cutting Stills as cutting Amendola. Stills actually has some value as a trade too. I dunno, Flores im sure is getting his list of guys together and he is figuring out what players are his guys and who is worth what to him. Grier just has to make it happen.
I’d keep Stills. He’s got more value to the offense than Amendola and he’s a high character guy. If this offense is anything like they want it to be Stills could be a huge asset in it.
Try to get a short guy to stand next to him so you have gauge.
Combine pics have some out on Murray.
LOL
So, is Jamie Collins a Flores guy?
I dont think so. I think as far as a scheme fit yet, but not a personality fit.
yes not yet
What is the issue with this guy getting bounced from teams?
Tim – Sorry to break up the football talk, but what do you think about the Mets hiring Al Leiter, John Franco and Jessica Mendoza (ESPN)? Silly, but it kind of reminds me of the Dolphins bringing in all these good people. To what end or result it will have, I have no idea but both teams are bringing in a bunch of good minds.
In what roles? I heard about Jessica Mendoza as a consultant or whatever.
I don’t follow spring training closely, but I heard Dominic Smith is playing really well.
Both Franco and Leiter are going to be consultants to help with scouting and player development. As far as Mendoza, this what they said she will be doing.
“With the Mets, Mendoza will focus on player evaluation, roster construction, technological advancement and health and performance, offering a particular emphasis on the latter two areas.”
would you take him? due $10M this yr and next:
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Don’t be super surprised if the #Browns clear even more cap space and move G Kevin Zeitler. Told his name has been thrown around some. After all: it’s the old regime that made him the highest paid guard, and this regime drafted Austin Corbett to be an interior OL.
I’d s too pricey at this time for OL. We’re going to have to extend Tunsil in a year or two.
I dont think Zeitler is that good. I was in on him when he had his FA year, but he got over paid then and he is overpaid now. Wait until the cut him and try to sign him as a FA for a more reasonable price maybe but im actually feeling we aren’t too awful off on OL, unless we lose James. We need some depth and probably at least one day 1-2 pickup.
Browns are making moves right now. Have over $80M in cap. May be looking to BUY a championship.
I don’t get cutting Zeitler. They have a great O-line, why make it worse? They have plenty of money w/o cutting him. What would be the point?
D – Everyone in FA gets overpaid, he hit FA at a good time, and he was the best OG available, so he got paid. I’m not interested in him here, but I don’t get why CLE would cut him. They have tons of cap space already, and they’re further along towards being a playoff team than we are, so why take a step backwards when money isn’t an issue?
Oh i know man, he was the best option at OG that year so he got paid top money. Im not discrediting that, BUT that was then this is now. He so far hasn’t really lived up to being paid top money and he’s older and not the top guy other there right now. Im not inheriting a bad contract just because he hit it hot at the right time.
Like I said, I have no interest in him now, talking only about CLE and why they shouldn’t cut him.
Doesnt sound like Cleveland is cutting him, Lou made it sound like they were trying to trade him. You dont inherit the contract if Cleveland cuts him. If they cut him and we pick him up it would be as a FA and we could negotiate the contract.
Our OL, with James is one piece from being completely set. We do need to add depth badly though. I could see us doubling down on the OL with one early and one late, and probably bring in some OL help in FA just not spending a ton on them.
How so? We need 2 OG’s and a C? Kilgore is just keeping the seat warm for someone better, and Davis too. I don’t like Larsen at all.
I dont like Larsen, he makes and ok emergency backup but we can do much better. Davis to me held up fine, Kilgore was playing fine until he was hurt. We can add every year for a little while but we arent in an emergency to restock right now. How would you do it?
With you MIke E unless it is just about next season.
Depends on James coming back (which actually not a fan of), but even with him it is him and Tunsil looking forward. Maybe Davis if he progresses, but a question if does. I’d go OL hard. Sitton and Kilgore will not be on the roster two years from now.
OK, makes sense then, thanks Tim
Just like any other player. Zeitler is not the current coaches guy, he’s expensive and he hasnt lived up to his contract. They are looking to offload a bad contract. Its a business move.
D – OK, I agree with adding a little each year on the O-line. I thought you were inferring that we’re OK on the O-line. If we could add at least one solid guy early from the draft, I’d feel better about the line. Like you said also, we need to add some better depth too, and maybe one of those guys pans out.
Mikey,
OL is a area ya never are “settled with” its one you try to keep adding talent yearly. You have to have a good next man up scenario so my belief is you add to the OL every year and depending on your strength of that next man up situation, you add early or later.
To me Kilgore at $2.4M could help us during the transition while we develop a young center.
I agree with D that we could double down on the OL with one early and one late. I could see us signing two in FA as well. Not top tier but guys with experience.
You guys are too prone to panic. The OL is not that unstable, we need depth and one person that could fight for a starting spot. We need young talent that can grow with the system. Kilgore is young and not too bad, Davis too. We also need to see how this system works out. We may have guy who sucked for theprevious system but are fine for this one. I dunno i just dont see OL as a panic spot. We have a lot more work thats needed on the DL than the OL, and DL isnt panic mode either. we have good pieces in my opinion now we just have to get more out of them. DL we just dont have anyone to truly build around thats why i keep suggesting going for guy we can do that with though FA. My FA money would go to DL looking for starters, to OL looking for depth. In the draft id look to add to both pretty early as well.
We will still be getting in FAs even if not high priced ones. Trenches and QB is how I would be rolling to the future, even if the true QB might have to wait. If we are gonna rebuild…. then rebuild right.
We have two 7th rd picks this year. We had three but I forgot we traded one for Spence.
There’s our QB! lol
LOL
It’s possible we trade some late picks to move up in the mid and late rounds or even trade down to get more picks, but if we stay with our 8, I could see us drafting;
DL – 2
CB – 1
OL – 2
QB – 1
RB – 1
WR – 1
It’s crazy Zeitler is the highest paid guard but has never been all pro or made a pro bowl.
It’s strictly a cost saving move. If you read this, you’ll see Zeitler had a very good season and is still playing well, they just want to get this younger, cheaper OG on the field. If they already have a player, it makes more sense.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2019/02/06/cleveland-browns-will-kevin-zeitler-pushed-town/
The Cards are on the hook for 10mil of Rosens Contract, so it would cost the team who acquires him a paultry 7 mil over the next 3 years.
That said i think we’d be better off with Tannehill
He’d come cheap as any back-up QB we ever had except for Fales, except for what it takes to get him on the roster. And having him here would not stop you from doing something else at QB.
Good write as always Mike E
If anyone is wondering….NO on Murray. NO on Rosen.
I’m still rolling with Rudock/Falk and drafting Tyree late. After all, we are supposed to be tanking right?
I like going with those 3 QBs.
I could absolutely roll with that! Thanks ER!
D says:
March 6, 2019 at 4:34 pm
Mikey,
OL is a area ya never are “settled with” its one you try to keep adding talent yearly. You have to have a good next man up scenario so my belief is you add to the OL every year and depending on your strength of that next man up situation, you add early or later.
Yeah D, I agree with that. It’s nice to have 3-4 guys that are constants though or close to constants so they can play well together by learning each others tendencies and weaknesses.
I dont think we would see any trade details early in free agency, though its possible a Josh Rosen trane would carry more ummph than before other teams made other QB arrangements. So its possible we would know where we stand in this Rosen thing as early as next week but it could go all the way up until draft time before we know if the guy is or isnt going to be traded and who the team is that gets him. Hell it may all be over with already with Murray flunking some of the early tests.
vague but coming clearer
Dolphins pick spots as of this moment:
» Round 1: No. 13 overall Rashan Gary DE/DT or Dexter Lawrence DT/NT or Bradbury C, Dillard OT or Taylor OT
» Round 2: No. 48 Chris Lindstrom OG or Cody Ford OG or Elgton Jenkins C or Jones QB or Grier QB or Eric McCoy C
» Round 3: No. 78 Brian Burns Edge or Tyree Jackson QB or Demarcus Christmas DT/NT or Darrel Henderson RB
» Round 4: No. 116 Charles Omenihu Edge or Darrell Henderson RB or Lonnie Johnson CB or Ta’amu QB
» Round 5: No. 151 Stidham QB
» Round 6: No. 188 ST player either a Safety or a LB
» Round 7: No. 234 ST player either a Safety or a LB
Safety? We’re stacked at safety. I know late rd depth. 😉
not seeing where we have 2 7ths Tim, but you probably know best.
from NFL.com
Miami Dolphins Record: 7-9 (.469) Total picks: 7.
» Round 1: No. 13 overall
» Round 2: No. 48
» Round 3: No. 78
» Round 4: No. 116
» Round 5: No. 151
» Round 6: No. 188
» Round 7: No. 234
Biggest needs: QB, edge, OL. There’s plenty of work to be done here, starting with deciding about the future at quarterback. Cameron Wake is headed for free agency at 37 years old, and whoever is under center needs an improved front five.
We traded Jordan Lucas to KC for a 7th. We got a 7th for Landry but traded it for Spence. Then we have our own 7th.
Did i mention as part of my job a good portion of the day i stare at tits? Granted they are mammography’s so its not the most flattering look, but just throwing that out there. Lol. Actually im pretty tired of tits at this point because of my job. Every damn issue we have had recently with our system seems to be with these damn tits.
They arent even good titties either, well not all of them, most are 60+ year old tits that look more like a scrotum in the mammography than titties. There is one weird thing though thats becoming a pattern. A lot of the women in their late 50’s and early 60’s are from generations when the boom of plastic surgery hit and every woman seemed to be getting some sort of work done, so it really wierd to see grandmas with perky titties and a big blob (the implant) in their titty tissue.
Fun part of this job is there is some bizarre shit you see from time to time, like xrays of people who have swallowed their keys, all kind of weird shit shoved up their butts, saw a xray of a dude (dont know if he was deceased or not, but likely) who had about 20 nail gun nails in his head. Must have pissed off the wrong person. You get can tell what and what kind of fillings a person have in their teeth by the way they give off a pattern in the xray. Whether a woman forgot to take out her body piercings when they went for the exam and after looking at enough of them you can play games like “whats wrong with this person” without cheating and looking at diagnostic results.
I call Bullshit !! There is absolutely no way you could be possibly tired of Tits at this point.
LOL
You guys are in love with Tyree Jackson, jeez.
I dont see it but im outnumbered on this one.
Whoa … I almost read that wrong.
No. That is all.
Son, why are you all up on Josh Dobb’s jock? He has done nothing for the Steelers but throw Ints and his college stats were less than stellar.
I didn’t realize Asiata played in the outfield.
I know what the fuck is OF? LOL
Offensive Fatty?
Tim – I also can’t find anything that says we have 2 7th RD picks. Is it possible we traded Lucas for a 2018 7th?
It’s weird, this site only lists us as having one 7th under picks by team but they have the trade listed. But they’re not always up to date.
https://gbnreport.com/future-traded-picks/
D = You just need a school bus load of cheerleaders to come in for mammographies and then you won’t be tired of tits anymore
Tim – We traded the other 7th to move up and get Durham Smythe according to this website.
https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Dolphins.htm
That website actually says the Lucas trade was for a 2020 pick, you’ll see it if you scroll down a bit
No it’s under 2019.
Not on that website it isn’t
Which site?
Hmmm… maybe that’s it. Oh no we only have one 7th!!!! LOL
Been sitting on a beach in Maui for the last 5 days. Love it here. Played the Kahili golf course yesterday and shot a smooth 120, lol.
That’s awesome Kong. Did you scare the bathing suits off of all the women? Any good mammography candidates?
LMAO, if I could scare the bathing suits off women, I’d never leave the beach.
In the news today…a giant ape was found on the beach apparently dead of starvation, but he died with a grin on his face.
Tim
https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/09/02/jordan-lucas-trade-analysis-chiefs-dolphins/
Well than gbnreport is wrong. Usually they’ve been accurate with listing trades. I’ve been using them for a long time and it’s always been accurate. Maybe not.
They must be still thinking Asiata can develop. We’ll see…..
Might as well give it a shot with the new regime and see if he finally gets it. Lots of OL don’t do well early, bounce around from team to team before finally becoming serviceable or good. Davis went that route. Even Evan Mathis as a 3rd rd pick went that route and became an all pro and 2x pro bowler.
LOL Tim, our draft is ruined
This rebuild is going to take forever now. LOL
This is interesting. It seems we may not have dead cap with some of these players if we release them at the right time.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article226523110.html
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Prayers up
Sad. Watching icons pass away is a reminder that the clock is ticking for all of us.
Not Good
Anyone who doesn’t like Alex Trebek then just has something else they are working out. A true good guy. He’s got one of the bad ones (not that any “C” is good). Not sure when was filmed but watched last night. He for sure knew he had it but you never would have known.
I doubt we draft Haskins, my gut feeling is that Haskins will be gone at 13 and there’s no way this FO trades away picks to get him.
we either trade back and acquire more picks or we draft an offensive or defensive lineman with the 13th pick.
I think this FO will start to build from the trenches out unless of course they think Haskins or Lock is their future QB and have a chance to get one at 13.
even if one is there at 13 i think its not a high probability that we use 13 on a QB, DL and OL is where that pick may go.
The thing is you always take a shot at a QB if you have the chance. If he doesn’t pan out you keep trying. One pick at #13 doesn’t set you back too much, it’s when you give up the farm or back up the brinks truck for a player and he fails that sets you back. Finding an elite QB or good enough to win a championship isn’t easy to find. Add good players and build it the right way and go from there. This FA class and draft is not the defining moment. It’s just the beginning of a new era for this team. We need to just roll with it.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Ferrell, Clelin, DE, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 16: Benzschawel, Beau, OG, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 3 Pick 14: McCoy, Erik, OG/C, Texas AM (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Beckner Jr, Terry, DT, Missouri (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13: Nixon, Keisean, CB, South Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 15: Renfrow, Hunter, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Warring, Kahale, TE, San Diego State (A+)
I also like that McCoy guy to gradually take over at Center.
Ed Oliver followed by Chase Winovich would make me really happy!
Agreed. I know people are down on Charles Harris… but him, Winovich, Alonso, Baker and McMillan moving around with Oliver, Godchaux and Taylor on the interior DL could be a really good front 7.
Would love to see us land him. I actually view him as a top 5 prospect. QBs whether right or wrong always effect top 5 though. This is a guy who’s tough to block and will never stop chasing you. He will make Godchaux and Taylor better. All three are relentless type players but Oliver has another level to him.
He’s realistic at 13 too
Most of the time I see him mocked around 10
But he’s right there
A good prospect will be there for us at #13. This draft is pretty deep early on. We should get a good player in the 2nd (48) too.
Pancreatic Cancer is the worst
A former employer, colleague, mentor and friend died from it years ago
Very sad
Hopefully Trebek can beat it
Also just realized Alex Trebek is 78 years old
He looks like he’s in his 50s
We know what you meant. Positive vibes to Alex and sorry about your friend / mentor piggy.
I’m sure there is a Trevino somewhere that is close to 78…
13: R1P13
DL RASHAN GARY
MICHIGAN
48: R2P16
EDGE CHASE WINOVICH
MICHIGAN
78: R3P14
C GARRETT BRADBURY
NC STATE
116: R4P14
QB RYAN FINLEY
NC STATE
151: R5P13
G NATE HERBIG
STANFORD
188: R6P15
DL ED ALEXANDER
LSU
234: R7P20
G MARTEZ IVEY
FLORIDA
Gary reminds me of a Ravens type of defender. Tough and plays physical.
Lots of good guys there Piggy
13: R1P13
QB DWAYNE HASKINS
OHIO ST.
48: R2P16
C GARRETT BRADBURY
NC STATE
78: R3P14
G BEAU BENZSCHAWEL
WISCONSIN
116: R4P14
WR ANTHONY JOHNSON
BUFFALO
151: R5P13
DL DANIEL WISE
KANSAS
188: R6P15
EDGE CARL GRANDERSON
WYOMING
234: R7P20
OT DERWIN GRAY
MARYLAND
Grier has said publicly he’d like to have him back. It’s up to James who will get other offers.
I’m on record offering him 4/$48. Hope he takes it.
He’s one of the very few tackles with sweet feet capable of pulling like a Guard in traffic and taking out a LB or even a Safety on the fly.
It will probably be at least that.
My Ed Oliver opinion just went way up.
If he’s 85% Aaron Donald he’s a win. You need guys who can cut down on pocket time for QBs – especially inside. Also play the run and blow some of them up.
We’ve got some playmakers, we need to get nasty up front on both sides of the ball and find a QB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbc8dntrlNA
My Mom and her sibs were fans. Grew up listening to him.
KC is switching to a 4-3 DEF under new DC Steve Spagnuolo. KC is a team trying to win a SB. They were not good on defense last year and they’re making changes. I’m just speculating but Quinn and Alonso makes sense for them. Maybe even one of our vet safeties. I could see us making at least one deal with KC.
I’m not saying either of these guys would fetch a 2nd but what a year to have an extra 2nd rd pick. This draft is loaded with talent and one extra 2nd would make a good dent in the roster.
That’s why I would like to see them trade back a little if they can.
Charlie Weis on NFL radio going hard to defend Kyler Murray against Charlie Casserly’s allegations.
The gist of what he said was Murray is coming off a great season for Oklahaoma, he signed a big baseball contract, and some of the teams he interviewed with weren’t looking for a QB so he didn’t really pay attention or try to impress those teams, but the teams that are looking for a QB, he’s sure Murray gave them his full attention and effort.
who is charlie Weis compared to Casserley? Cass was the gm for several teams and drafted great players, Weis was a coach.
who’s more qualified to make that assessment?
Rob – I agree – It’s just spin. I mean I’m sure Weis knows the process very well, and has been through it many times himself, but I agree that Casserly is more involved and had been more involved. Another thing Weis said was that Casserly probably speaks more to the old school crowd of coaches, not the younger more radical coaches.
So Murray shuts it down if he doesn’t see anything in it for him? Doesn’t pay attention if it doesn’t suit him. What’s he going to do when the team is down? Leaders put forth their best all the time, even when it seems hopeless. Sounds like Casserly is spot on. No Murray to Miami.
I usually assume rumors about some ones personality and work ethic are greatly exaggerated
So I don’t really go over the top with the sort of criticism Casserly wrote about
In murrays case, I don’t think he’s the best QB in this class and it just seems like some people are infatuated with him without justification.
He was good at OK but I don’t think he is anywhere near Baker Mayfield
I doubt the Miami must pass on Murray train needs to get started bc I’m pretty sure AZ is going to take him 1
I don’t think that’s a smokescreen – I think it’s for real
Yeah? What about all the rumors in law circles that you were a pig? Huh?
Rumors?
I proudly admit to that!
Yes, but they started as rumors. See what I’m getting at?
Also as an FYI, i dont take the mammography images, i develop a software to diagnostically review them and other radiological images. In some ways im glad i dont take the images, because, like i said its nearly never a young woman getting a mammography. Its like a prostate exam for males, 40 is when most are told to start getting them, an most wait 5-10 years before they actually get around to it. So my view of them is always from the inside.
So like this….
Yeah that’s not great to look at, unless you let your imagination go wild. lol
I was also hearing this morning on NFL radio a possible OBJ to CLE trade my be in the works. “Reunited and it feels so good” lol
Yeah i actually had a feeling it was going to happen before the G-men gave him that big extension, so i wouldnt be shocked to see it happen this time around.
I have gotten to where i can look those images and pretty much get the age of the woman, here general size and a couple other physical factors regarding the patient right without looking at the demographic information. Its kinda like the guy in “The Matrix” said, “I have been staring at this shit so long i no longer see the Matrix i see blonde brunette red head….” for me i see that picture up there i see 60ish C cup, average weight, medium small to smallish nipples. Also looks like a clean screening, though sometimes there are really tiny instances that i would miss, the stuff a real radiologist would spot and ask the patient to come back on in 6months instead of a year.
When Dwayne Haskins said he models his game after Warren Moon I basically had my kind made up
It’s not just that it’s a great comparison for him
It’s that he shows he knows the history of the game
The fact that he knows who Warren Moon is, being born in his generation is impress Be to me
Contrast thatnto Tannehill not knowing the divisions in his rookie year…lol
Little things like that make a difference to me
It shows a cerebral nature
He didn’t grow up knowing Warren Moon like we did
He has to learn about him
And I happen to love Moon’s game
If the rules were what the rules were now during the Marino/Moon era I think both of them would have multiple championships
Remember the run and shoot and how controversial it was not to let your defense rest…lol
Speaking of cerebral players
On the DL, one guy I like a lot of Jerry Tillery
I wouldn’t mind at all if he ends up being a Dolphin
Was watching film of Ed Oliver and Rashan Gary yesterday
In Oliver’s case he officially cemented being my favorite player
If you don’t know Oliver is a great athlete, he was a 5 Star recertification coming out of high school
The guy has natural gifts
But when you watch him – he doesn’t play like a guy with natural gifts
He doesn’t take plays off
Every play is effort
He often comes in at the end of the play when other plays have stopped
He guy is a beast
He also plays smart pulling back to contain the play when necessary
He’s completely unselfish
Last year Houston played him at NT and that greatly reduced his ability to pressure he QB – but he still took on double and triple teams with ferocity
He would be a great pick for us
I though the difference between Oliver and gary was night and day
I didn’t think Garywas bad and he’s a heck of an athlete
But it wasn’t quite as awe inspiring as Oliver’s consistent fight
I tend to think Gary is a bit overrated
The guy who kept showing up in the tape was his teammate Winovich
Part of that is bc Offenses focus on Gary but I don’t think that’s the only factor
If we came away form the first 2 rounds like we did in that kick somenone posted yesterday (Oliver then Winovich) that would really go a long way in our rebuild
I like Oliver a lot too. I’d be happy with him as our pick
Those are the oinks
Back to work now
Its interesting to me that they cut Branch first, and not Quinn. I wonder if they are thinking about extending him and gettng his cap hit own vs just cut and move on. Just seems like he wouldnt have been target 1
I agree with you on Moon Piggy, he was one of my favorites. The Haskins comparison to him is much better than the comparisons that were made of him to Marino IMO. Haskins is a bit more athletic than either of the other two even though thats not his strong suit either. My issues with Haskins keeps coming back around to the fact that like Tanny he is a limited experience college starter and that one of his worst traits is his pocket awareness and mobility. In particular the reasons he bother me are some of my major complaints about Tanny, so it feels like to me that with Haskins its closer to trading in a new Tanny for an old one. I agree though with the fact that he seems to be more student of the game than Tanny, so maybe some of those difference would mean he wouldnt follow the same path, but it does concern me,
I think Montez Sweat may be the best overall player in this draft now. Definitely think he is for us, but i also think he isnt going to make it to us. I think Bosa is probably the most purely talented but even though i understand his decision to bail on the season to be ready for Combine, i also wondered if that may set him back some. Between the injury that stopped his college career, and the voluntary removal of himself frm competition, those ass questions i dont think you have about Sweat. Quenin Williams is a close second, and tehn i have Josh Allen and Bosa about the same, one would be 3rd in some systems and the other 3rd in other systems and with our hybrid system i see them about the same.
My big board top 10 would be:
Montez Sweat
Quinnen Williams
Josh Allen/Nick Bosa
Juwann Taylor
Ed Oliver
Clellin Ferrell
Jonah Williams
Christian Wilkins
DK Metcalf
I actually wouldn’t have any of the QB’s in the top 10 of my bigboard, BUT i might select them over someone that was IF they were someone that really impressed me in the pre-draft process and they fell to me. I expect there will be 2-3 QB’s taken before my top 10 players list is gone, which mean that if its 2 we could still get a potential franchise QB at 13, and worst case we can, we still get a stud player on the OL or DL.
Is your top 10 in that order?
Like Sweat is your top prospect
That’s what his first line says!
I just skip to the middle and read every few words before and after…lol
So people are saying that 5/75 gets it done with Flowers. Id like to get him for 4/48 or 5/60, another rumor was 17per would be what it took. I dont think we should be players if its 17per, but 5/75 isnt completely out of the question for me. If i could sell him on options that would give him guarantees and drop the per year cap hit, like back to the 5/60 or even 5/65 but with 70% or more guaranteed, i much rather structure it that way. There is your piece to build around, you give him a contract that represents a long term investment in him being your building block, and we lock up one of the biggest targets on our radar this off season.