So the NFL draft came and went in a whirl wind weekend. I think we made out pretty well. 2 major holes filled, or potentially filled, it’s still unknown at the moment. In my mind, the order of importance for me was QB, DL, OL. That’s how I saw it, and it wasn’t going to be easy to fill all those needs completely in one draft. For perspective, we used 6 picks in this draft, next season we have 12 picks, one 1st RD pic, two 2nd RD picks, two 3rd RD picks, two 4th RD picks, one 5th RD pick, and two each of 6th and 7th RD picks. We’re going to do a lot of fixing next season, and it’s not only a substantial draft haul, we will be flush with cap money, near $100M, so we will have plenty of flexibility to continue to add quality players to our roster.
So here’s what we did so far . . .
DT Christian Wilkins 6’3 315 Clemson Round 1 Pick #13
Wilkins was one of the top prospects on the DL in this draft. A very high character player with off the charts leadership abilities, he’s a foundation player that can set the tone in the locker room, as well as on the field. A very productive player at Clemson, Wilkins was a 4 YR starter with excellent tackling ability,. He can also get to the QB with 16 total sacks in 4 seasons. He has great burst and short are quickness, and should slide in immediately as a starter in either a 3-4 or 4-3 front.
QB Josh Rosen 6’4 226 UCLA/Arizona Cardinals Round 2 Pick #62 + 2020 5th RD Pick
Originally the 10th overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, Josh spent last season with the Arizona Cardinals. Rosen started 13 games last season for Arizona finishing with 11 TD’s and 14 INT’s as well as a 55% completion percentage. It was a difficult rookie season on a very poor team evidenced by the firing of rookie HC Steve Wilks after 1 season. RB David Johnson was coming back after missing most of the previous season and was not the same player and rarely found any running room and finished with 1386 total yards in 2019 after finishing with 2118 total yards in 2016, his last full season. Larry Fitzgerald was really the only reliable target on a poor offense.
OG Michael Deiter 6’5 309 Wisconsin Round 3 Pick #78
Dieter was a 3 year starter at Wisconsin, and was actually a first team all-conference pick as a starter at LT. He played the rest of his college career however at at both guard spots and center. Obviously, Deiter is versatile and play most anywhere but is projected as an OG/C. Deiter neeeds to work hark hard in the weight room, but is a capable player who may end up playing sooner than later considering our depth along the O-line. He’s a good run blocker playing in Wiconsin’s pro style offense.
OLB Andrew Van Ginkel 6’3 241 Wisconsin Round 5 Pick #151
Andrew Van Ginkel was a 2 YR starter at OLB for Wisconsin. He has pass rushing ability and has 12 sacks in 2 seasons. Think of him as a Chase Winovich or T.J. Watt lite. He has athletic ability running a 4.56 40, a 38″ vertical, a super quick 4.14 20 yard shuttle and very good 6.89 3 cone drill. He’s a physical specimen that can hopefully find a place on our roster as pass rusher and chase and tackle LB.
OT Isaiah Prince 6’6 305 Ohio St. Round 6 Pick #202
Prince was a 3 YR starter at Ohio State, all at RT. Not coincidentally, we have a huge need at RT with the departure of Ja’Wuan James. He’s a project of sorts, not a natural knee bender and just beginning to improve with pass protection. I would imagine he will be in competition for a starting spot due to the lack of quality depth at the position with Zach Sterup and Jesse Davis. Another prospect that needs to hit the weight room (most do).
FB Chandler Cox 6’1 236 Auburn Round 7 Pick #233
Chandler Cox just sounds like a New England Patriot, doesn’t it? Cox played sparingly during 4 seasons with the Auburn Tigers. Cox was projected as an undrafted FA, but the Dolphins wanted him here. I expect Cox to make the 53. If the Patriots can get a starting QB late in RD 6, surely we can get a FB late in RD 7! Cox performed well at the Auburn pro day running a 4.7 40 with a 32″ vertical. Look for him to be worked hard to help spring the potential of our 2019 ground game, which should be exciting with the next guy I’ll discuss.
RB Myles Gaskin 5’9 204 Washington Round 7 Pick #234
Gaskin was a 4 YR starter at Washington and a very productive one at that. You look at his height weight combo you think bowling ball, but Gaskin is built more like a scat back, but he’s definitely an inside runner too, so he can do it all. Gaskin has 5323 rushing yards and 57 rushing TD’s in 4 seasons with Washington, along with 65 receptions and 465 yards receiving and 5 TD’s. This dynamo ran a 4.58 40 with a nice vertical. He’s got a lot of wiggle in him, and I think he’ll definitely be part of what I view as a very nice, diversified backfield with Kenyan Drake, Kalen Ballage and FB Chandler Cox. He has a lot of mileage but I expect he’ll continue to rack more up here in Miami.
In addition to our draft picks, we were busy as expected picking up a number of undrafted free agents. I’m not positive this is the most up to date or accurate list, but this is what I found . . .
- Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
- Preston Williams, WR, Colorado State
- Tyler Horton, CB, Boise State
- Deion Calhoun, OL, Mississippi State
- Nik Needham, CB, UTEP
- Montre Hartage, CB, Northwestern
- Ryan Anderson, OL, Wake Forest
- Wes Farnsworth, LS, Nevada
- Dewayne Hendrix, DE, Pitt
- Jonathan Ledbetter, DE, Georgia
- Trenton Irwin, WR, Stanford
- Aaron Monteiro, OL, Boston College
- Rob Rolle, S, Villanova
- Tre Watson, LB, Maryland
All in all, I’m really very pleased with the end result of the draft weekend. Am I looking at this through Rosen colored glasses? Of course I am! I’m getting more enthusiastic about acquiring QB Josh Rosen each day. I think he’s going to come in here and work very hard to be a difference maker, and although I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is a swell guy, I think his impact will be more as a mentor than a starting QB. I think Rosen will be our starter in 2019, and I think he’s going to earn it all the way.
This doesn’t mean we’re a Superbowl team, we still have some big holes. Our O-line needs to get settled, and I don’t think we’re done there yet either. Once cuts start happening, there will be a few veteran OL that could probably help us and I expect to pick up 1 or 2 there. Same goes for the D-line, we have little talent on the edge and also expect to get a little help once cuts begin for the DE position as well.
No one expected us to rebuild everything in one season, that’s just totally unrealistic. That doesn’t mean we can’t get to the point of being respectable. I think we can achieve that, and not be an easy beat for any team. I want to continue to improve each week and see growth, and that will put us in great position next season where we have 12 picks, and multiple picks in the first 100, and likely around $100M in cap space. It’s very promising indeed! GO DOLPHINS!
#staythecourse
Josh Rosen’s introductory press conference
https://www.miamidolphins.com/video/josh-rosen-introductory-press-conference
Finsmob Unleashed 
DBolt – I totally get that, the play of the DE’s was beyond disappointing last season. I thought Quinn just missed so many times, but Harris was a non-factor, and unless Flores has some ideas, he probably will be again this year. The O-line may end up being OK but it sure doesn’t look like it on paper. I hope we’re great this season, but with new schemes on both sides of the ball and possible leaning on a some young players, I don’t expect us to be very good and up to speed until at least mid season or later. JMO
Curious as to how many are really glad that Adam Gase is gone?
I know I am.
At this time last year, I thought Gase and Tannehill were going to get it going for us. Oh well . . . . Now, I can’t stand him, and yes, I’m glad he’s gone. He was just unlikable. He may find himself in NY, or he may find himself OUT of NY. lol
I think you echo my sentiments, Mike E. I, too, thought we looked great last year at this same time. But hindsight is the ultimate judge of these matters: success or failure.
I think Steve Ross screwed up again by choosing Adam Gase as our HC to begin with.
The problem with Gase was he was a rookie HC, we have another rookie HC now however we have hired some veteran coaches, i hope they make a difference.
I don’t recall to many people bitching about Gase early on. And the majority of us thought last year was going to be a breakout season for the offense.
I don’t know what happened but it all turned to crap.
I don’t blame Stephen Ross for hiring Gase. He was terrible here and look, the stej immediately hired him…..
i was bitching about him as soon as he let ajayi go.
I think Van Ginkel could break into the starting rotation…we have a deficiency at edge
I think he’ll be a sub who develops into a starter maybe next year or the year after. I have a feeling J. Elliot will probably serve as that DE/ LB Hybrid player to start. I do think Van could develop into a long term starter though.
If Van Ginkel starts this year will be because we are either not going with a 4-3, Alonso gets traded or one of the LBs gets injured. Do think he will play some though.
Jets are hoping he’s Belichick 2.0. If he can learn from his mistakes, he could improve, but he’s an arrogant cocksucker, so I’m betting against him
I never cared for Adam Gase. Wish I could go back and find my original post when the coaching search was going on in 2016, but it went something like this…
I can think of about 1,354,912 people I’d rather have as HC of our Phins before Adam Gase:
1) Hue Jackson (was I ever WRONG about him!)
1,392) Daffy Duck
32,020) Inspector Gadget
240,241) Jar-Jar Binks
929,046) Mothra of Godzilla fame
Now in all fairness, I got aboard the Gase train after year 1: yes, it was warranted! Then, he started cutting our studs. Mike E will remember my famous “STRIKES” over the years. After trading Jay Ajayi, I said, “Adam Gase: STRIKE 1”.
I despised Gase ever since… and he kept on doing his little Gase things after Ajayi was traded. He lost the locker room, the team as a whole, and acted like Tannehill’s and Cutler’s frat brother from way back.
Total failure.
Would we get the twins if we brought Mothra here?
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NICE!!!
I liked Gase a whole lot to start. Saw the potential. Very smart. Just wasn’t good at managing a team and some personality flaws showed up that weren’t apparent at first. Would have been fine if they tried one more year with him, even if not with full optimism.
Still think he could end up a good coach in the league if he develops. And seems so did the Yets.
Fun fact on the Ajayi trade. The day the trade occurred I was listening to the Dan Patrick show and he had said that an opposing teams GM informed him that Ajayi demanded a contract extension in the 2017 off season & after Miami informed him that it’s something they weren’t going to entertain he became an even bigger problem than he was in 2016 prior to the Seattle game.
In regards to Gase I supported him up until post game vs Minny where you had OL saying they weren’t prepared for anything the Vikes threw at them even though it was nothing different than what they did the entire year. I still have no problem w/ Landry and Sjayi being shipped out, but I do have an issue w/ the lack of accountability placed upon their own coaching staff. I think he’ll get off to a good start w/ the Jets because of Williams being there as DC & all the talent on that side of the ball, but not sure how it will play out if your players commit pre snap penalties all the time on offense.
I don’t want to cut into great football discussions on this great board, but what’s going on in Venezuela right now is HISTORIC. It will be written about for all of history to learn from. Scary stuff.
It will be history for sure, but will it be more like the Berlin Wall coming down or Tiananmen Square?
You’re an intelligent man… and you already know what’s going on. Innocent people are getting murdered.
M13 — yes have been following the news. Guaido went all in. Only Q is whether he gets arrested, killed, flees to another country or takes over from Maduro (and hopefully sets up a new election as promised).
I think overall we are in for a worse record than last season. We got a guard and a tackle but were VERY thin on the Oline to begin with. a 6th round RT? he will have to show it. Our young players hopefully will progress and get better, but they will go through the whole learning curve AGAIN. All new terminology, new playbooks, new concepts (on D and on O)
The new “multiple” D will test the players and the Erhardt-Perkins offense is NOT going be automatic in these guys heads right away. It is a great offense because of the options that are built in, but it will take the players a while to grasp all the concepts and be on the same page.
on off-season is not going to do it IMO. so there will probably be a step back due to the things I list above.
The level of play from the new guys is yet to be seen so I will with hold comment on that until we see it.
overall I think there is a good chance we will be drafting higher next season organically without having to “tank” . Growing pains will be enough to cost us a few games.
I think that’s definitely possible
Rockphin,
NO OFFENSE, whatsoever! But I see you throwing the term “Erhardt-Perkins offense” around like it’s some kind of brand new concept or you just discovered it for the first time recently. It’s ‘EPO’ for short, and it’s been around for a long time.
Yes, I think that’s where we’re headed, too… I agree with you, man.
He knows what it is. The Pats offense is built off of it but it’s been modified through the years. Pass to score and run to win is the motto.
No doubt Rockphin knows what it is. And no doubt that’s what the Patsies* have been running for years. Yes, we know the motto.
no offense taken. It’s not a new concept at all, but it is not an easy concept to master either. More than just the Pats run it. But they seem to be the best team running it for decades now.
Agreed, Bro! If we get the right personnel (and proper coaches to teach it), we’re going to take the Patsies* out of their own game. What’s more… we could become the newest NFL powerhouse in time.
AND it IS a new concept to some of the players who have never seen it before so there will be a learning curve. It depends (like all offenses do) on all the players being on the same page. It cuts way back on terminology in the huddle but EVERY player better know what his assignments are when they get to the line. the SAME phrase can mean multiple things to different players once they line up and the defense shows what they are doing.
The QB can call Cat west (or what ever phrase they pick because this changes from team to team) and the WR BETTER know that he is supposed to cut off his route, or alternately go deep instead, depending on the situation.
^ Totally agreed, Rockphin.
stangerx says:
April 30, 2019 at 3:09 pm
M13 — yes have been following the news. Guaido went all in. Only Q is whether he gets arrested, killed, flees to another country or takes over from Maduro (and hopefully sets up a new election as promised).
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But what about outside interference? Maduro has been propped up by the Russians (communist/socialist others), while Guaido has been propped up by the West (U.S. and others).
This is going to be something to monitor, my friend.
What about it? No one is doubting it is there. And for sure it is something….. one of the biggest news stories in the world.
Yessir! It’s the biggest story in the world right now.
What about it? Watch how the story is spun by the left-leaning US media, so as to make communism/socialism look good… in the midst of innocents being murdered. They will say that we (the US and our President) have NO BUSINESS getting involved.
We already all are involved. And our moves so far have had the support of both parties. Whether we use military moves…. now what might cause some divided opinion. I’ll leave to follow how the media reports what is happening (couldn’t care less), but are you for a physical intervention?
It’s always a possibility we have a worse record this year than last. When you look at all the teams on our schedule most of them did improve on paper from last year and had somewhat of a nucleus to begin with where we really didn’t have as much.
However, when I look at what/whom we got at the helm with this team, the Rosen trade and the other players we’ve brought in to this point I’m getting a Walsh-like San Fran dynasty building feeling here. I know it’s weird but that’s just what hit me as I looked at everything that’s happened so far this offseason.
It’s a QB driven league, if you can get your QB playing at a high level anything can happen. We could be worse personnel wise across the board, but get better QB play and end up 8-8.
The wildcard is Caldwell. If he gets Rosen to that next level in his 2nd yr there’s no looking back. Then, with 12 picks next year and all that cap we’re looking good.
I also am expecting one nice player trade in mid to late June. Grier keeps talking about trading for a player at that time and there’s no reason for me to doubt him.
And, finally, there’s still cuts to come from other teams where we could pick up a couple players who could help us out.
I just hope us fans give Rosen a chance here, not that it matters to him or the team. He’s going to have a lot on his plate trying to beat out Fitz, learning a new offense, and once again dealing with a less than average OL
Fans talk shit all the time, but mostly the root for the current players, so I dont think Rosen will have an issue, unless he stinks it up.
Fitz will face pretty much the same, but same time hoping they don’t start him right away. talk about the ultimate #2 QB people call for after a loss though.
today I was told that “the assumption was the team was going to wait until 2020” to take a quarterback but they ended up trading for Rosen, which wasn’t part of the plan and that is why Rosen’s time in Miami is limited and they’re taking another quarterback next year.
did you ever hear anything so ridiculous?
I responded by saying, “you know what happens when you assume. you make an ass of yourself”
Who told you that?
some fan blogger/podcaster on Twitter. if they have a podcast or blog they’re an expert
Matt Infante
@MattyInfante
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Something being overlooked: Dolphins should be commended for trading for Josh Rosen and voluntarily putting themselves in what some consider a difficult position (Rosen vs 2020 QBs) when the easy thing would’ve been to punt on QB decision until 2020. Take a shot, you never know.
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the takes just get worse and worse. now they put themselves in a “difficult position”. interesting
Bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush…
It’s disturbing. I don’t go for any of that crap
Y’all read ok?
Matty I Said they should be commended for what SOME would say….
He is saying that it was good
I disagree but that’s what he is saying
what he’s doing is just pulling stuff out of every orifice of his body because NOBODY said the team put itself in a difficult position. if someone did it’s probably nobody who matters like Armando or Omar or one of those fanbloggers like Si Clancy, CK Parrot, Wingfield, etc
It was a backhanded compliment. Hey, you really did a dumb thing but now you can try and work thru it?
This guy doesn’t have a problem with Rosen, per se, but according to him we got fleeced:
Three Yards Per Carry
@3YardsPerCarry
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So @UptownReport wrote something. let me be clear. No problem with the player. The Trade? We got fleeced.
https://www.fivereasonssports.com/voices/4866/
Rock – He’s saying that we’re taking a shot, which to me indicates he doesn’t think the team is committed or is at least implying that, and to that I couldn’t disagree more.
It is the only reasonable way to look at it Mike To assume he is the savior is just foolish They are taking a shot with him There are plenty of folks out there that do not think he will succeed including myself. The people who are crowing to the skies that we finally got our franchise quarterback are idiots. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is a franchise quarterback All evidence so far is to the contrary
55% completion under 6 yards per pass, more ints than TDS 66 passer rating
Barely 60 in college just barely over 2-1 RD to in in college it’s not like he was tearing up the college ranks He was the fourth best quarterback maybe the fifth in the draft last year in a weak draft year
That’s just not true. The reasonable way to look at it is as if he were drafted in this draft. We took him because we want him to be our starting QB. It wasn’t because it was just too good a deal to pass up, we like him as a QB. That’s what you don’t want to accept. You seem to look at it like a 1 YR audition, I don’t see it that way.
Leading up to the draft, Chris Grier was asked about the possibility of taking a quarterback in this draft or if he felt like he had to take a quarterback in this draft and he said he wasn’t going to take a quarterback just to take a quarterback.
If he felt there was one there he really liked and everyone else was in agreement he’d be good with taking one but he also wasn’t going to pass on what they thought could be someone who was a better prospect at another position just to take a quarterback.
This kind of puts into perspective what took place in the 2nd rd of the draft.
Well said
ElephantRider says:
April 30, 2019 at 4:36 pm
It was a backhanded compliment. Hey, you really did a dumb thing but now you can try and work thru it?
I don’t see it as backhanded at all he is saying they should be commended for having the balls to do it against popular opinion ( obviously unpopular opinion on here )
I think that Grier, Flores, & O’Shea went in on Rosen because they think he’s the longtime trigger man, but also protected themselves in case this doesn’t prove true. Solid move. If he proves to be the man then there’s plenty of capital to fill around him and to trade for future assets so it becomes cyclical. If he doesn’t end up being the guy you can move up in rd1 to get another player and you’ll still have assets after the move up, though not quite as many, but nothing like when the NYJ’s traded for Sanchez.
I guarantee you the are not putting all their eggs in the Tosen basket. If they were they would’ve named him the starter They are going to give him a shot. You will be allowed to compete for the starting spot. He has NOT been crowned the Savior by the front office. They are on record saying taking him will not stop them from taking a quarterback next year. Will they? I guess that depends on Rosen.
If they drafted Haskins at #13, they would name him the starter now?
Rock – You’re a great guy, but you’re a dick about Rosen
All right man I will stop being a dick and keep my opinion to myself Belly up to the Bukaki Bar And join the celebration circle jerk
Nah man, you can say whatever you want, I was just complimenting you. 🙂
Rosendick !!
If Rosen becomes the starter I will root for him. I never rooted against Gesicki. I just pointed out that he was soft would get pushed off his routes and couldn’t block ( and I was right ) but I rooted for him to succeed anyway. Unlike others on here to win against players they don’t like Whether they are on the team or not
Everything is right in the world
The dolphins found their Savior we are going to the Super Bowl this year
Woooo hooo
I cannot see a basis for saying we “got fleeced.”
I also see no evidence that Arizona took a huge hit on the deal.
I see it as the ultimate win-win-win situation.
I think they got a new coach who wanted to go in a different direction, which happens almost every time, but this time he had the opportunity to draft a new guy at QB which is a quintessentially important position. Leaving the other guy (Rosen) in place could only have made things impossibly awkward for the HC and the new QB as well as the locker room, the fans, the media, the FO, etc.
The elegant thing to do was to trade Rosen. It is the kindest thing to do for Josh as well. Rosen could not hope to beat out Murray as it would not be a fair competition, so the Cards did the right thing by sending him to a QB needy team where he can compete in an open way for an open job.
They got a 2nd for their lame-duck guy; we only gave up a 2nd for a possible franchise QB.
The 5th round throw in was for them paying his bonus $ for us.
Win for us, win for Josh, win for the Cards
If you say Rock is a dick about something, is that not a strong negative criticism?
This is eerily similar to saying he has a hard-on for the QB.
Having a hard-on for something means the person with the hard-on likes the thing (person) he has the hard-on for.
Not saying Rosen is the Miami savior, but Peyton Manning threw twice as many picks (28 INTs) his rookie year. And he only had a 56.7% comp. rate.
Not saying Rosen is Manning-level, but there are some similarities.
I’ll let Rosen decide if he’s good or bad with his performance. The guy just turned 22 years old this year. Young players do get better at their craft in time.
I heard Mike Francesa say just a few minutes ago that the Giants and other teams did not like Haskins’ workouts – they felt he looked a bit out of shape and slow.
I don’t think teams usually like to come out in the press right after the draft and say that so and so will be handed the starting job. With Murray and a few others it is done simply because there is no real way to deny it and not be accused of lying.
Coaches especially seem to always say “everybody must earn their spot on the team” even when it seems unlikely that the new first round draft choice has any real chance of being cut.
In fact i think some coaches are TOO harsh in that way and end up holding back the development of some of their young guys. Gase is a good case in point. He under played Drake, Ballage, Gesicki, just to name a few.
Anyway, I do not think it is unusual for Flores to say Rosen must compete for the job.
Where is the records room? It’s me, Dr. Rosenpenis. Can you collate these for me please?
LOL! Fletch baby! Love it!
It’s a never ending stream of Fletch quotes in my head as I read ya’ll debate Rosen, lol.
Lol, can’t have enough Fletch.
Naples – Google “someone having a hard on for someone in anon sexual manner. You’ll find what I mean. I’m surprised you never heard that before. Maybe it’s a NE thing, not sure.
all of those examples say the same thing I am saying
Rock,
I don’t think I was ever as vitriolic about Tanny as you are about Rosen. But, are you feeling my pain now? Lol
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For what it’s worth. I have no problem with your opinion of Rosen. I think the kid has some nice skills and potential. But, as of right now, that’s all it is. We’ll all find out soon enough whether he burns out or sets the league on fire. My guess is he has a decent year but nothing more. Our whole offense is gonna be limited. My fear is he’s just good enough to make them not draft a QB next year and then plateaus and never gets better than average. Leaving us spinning our wheels yet again.
stangerx says:
April 30, 2019 at 3:42 pm
We already all are involved. And our moves so far have had the support of both parties. Whether we use military moves…. now what might cause some divided opinion. I’ll leave to follow how the media reports what is happening (couldn’t care less), but are you for a physical intervention?
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NO(!), our moves so far have NOT had the support of both parties: you’re WRONG. You say you “couldn’t care less” about the media reports, but it’s clear they sucked you into their narrative, Brother… what/why is THAT, man? We have NOT had the support of both parties.
Am I for physical intervention (as in warfare)? Hmmm… I’m not sure, yet. Surely, you realize that the drug cartels put Maduro in power, no? I THINK (and strictly my opinion), if Maduro won’t relinquish his power shortly, we SHOULD intervene. Why? I think the answer is most obvious.
Stanger, you’re obviously older than I… and obviously far removed from everyday people such as myself… consider yourself blessed, my friend. But how many people have you known that have died from drugs coming across the border?
And here’s a fun FACT for you: way up here in Pennsylvania, there are mortuaries so overfilled with drug overdoses that dead bodies are being DENIED. And this isn’t just in PA (I CAN tell you about PA), but it’s being reported in many other states, cities, communities, etc.
Get out of your home and put your eyes and ears on the streetz… we have a REAL DRUG problem in America, dude. It’s really easy to ignore when one doesn’t care about the welfare of an entire NATION.
Stanger, you and I should probably move this matter to email, instead of congesting this matter on a football blog. I REALLY respect you, and I hope you can help to bring an end to the drug epidemic in America. It’s time for us to BLOCK Venezuelan drugs… and FUCK Maduru. JMO
M13 — somehow our conversations go wrong. Not sure why but they do. For some reason often ends up like you think I am in favor of what am not. Not sure why… but does.
In this case am actually in favor of physical intervention in Venezuela cause think the cause objectively right and just. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter…. but seemed you thought I was against for some reason.
Given that did you think I was pro-illegal drugs for some reason? Never even came up before but somehow seemed you thought I was. And again 100% agree with what you suggested as far as Venezuela.
And have followed the politics about this on the Hill, but feel free to call me wrong and will call your right…. cause am sure you know more.
Just gets confusing sometimes cause you put positions on me that are 100% what do not hold.
Randy – I don’t think anyone here is saying Rosen is our savior. I think he will be treated as if he were drafted this year as our starting QB when he’s ready. Just like if we took Haskins at #13, we wouldn’t be naming him the starter now, but if he shows he’s ready, he would start.
Do you disagree with this?
Nobody has a starting job right now. Flores is saying show me. We know some guys will be and will play a lot, but nothing is being handed to anyone. Every player has to prove it to this new staff.
MikeE,
Yeah, some here have suggested Rosen is a franchise QB, so I understand Rock suggesting they are misguided. For me, I just don’t give a shit about all this talk. Rosen will have a chance to prove who he is as a QB. Opinions, negative or positive are superfluous. It just reminds me of the Tannehill talk. Some claimed he was a franchise QB and others felt differently. The difference is: Tannehill had 7 years to prove himself. Rosen has had 1 year in the league. It’s a little premature to claim he’s this or that. I’m willing to give him another year at least to show us what he is. Rock might be right….and so might lou or David.
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Bottom line: you let him come in and compete and let things fall as they will.
LOL…everyone’s overly concerned about Rosen….I just want to see our OL coaches to pickup stunts and to quit w/ pre snap penalties😂
Let’s start here……
Do we have an OL yet? NO QB will succeed here until that is solved. Period.
I don’t think we have anything settled yet, how could we? We haven’t even had a practice?
I can promise you this much, we will field at least 5 guys on the O-line when the season starts, so I guess the answer is yes. lol
Krishna — having an average NFL OL would be a major victory, but didn’t try to shore it up till the 3rd round. Little steps.
LT Tunsil
LG Deiter/Reed
C Kilgore
RG Davis/?
RT Davis/?
It’s not settled yet by any means but we have some starting pieces to build on.
Kong – Everything is ball bearings these days
Trying to find the quote and I can’t, of Fletch interviewing Stanwyk’s parents when the mother asks if he’d like to see the pictures and he says no I’m trying to quit. LOL
Krishna,
I think there’s ability on the OL, but I just believe the lack of coaching was one of the biggest problems at least last year.
I’m going to jump on your bandwagon. We had too many penalties and communication breakdowns under Gase. He never corrected it and sulked more and more as it continued to happen. If this new staff can correct that we’re on our way to being better already.
i have really mixed emotions about taking Rosen vs starter OL or DE in second,
I think Dieter was about as good of a prospect as you were going to get outside of RD1. I think a combo of Dieter Kilgore Reed interior is probably better than anything we saw from week 2 on of last year. I also think Davis at RT may prove a boon for this team.
hope so
Will give the QB a CHANCE to succeed. It doesn’t work the other way around, imo.
I think the most important thing is coaching and player development. I still can’t get over the comments of OL after the Minn. game last year.
And, I do believe the risk is less with OL or DE vs picking QB in the 2nd round…..picking a QB is a lot harder and sets you back years.
Whether you believe FO or not, they first goal was to get more picks, including a 1st. They got a 2nd. Rosen “fell” to them so they must have valued him at the end of 2.
So far so good, but think trenches are so important to foundational football.
Definitely won in the trenches.
imo, too.
Have we had a decent OL coach in a while? I’m almost wondering and wishing if RI was still around or available. He could probably be managed properly….but easier to find?
LOL….I could never trust RI at this point. Honestly not sure who our last really good OL coach was.
I agree with Rock that it’s an audition but a heavily favored one. Rosen will have to show little signs of growth for them to look elsewhere but they are prepared. That’s one thing I love about this new group. They are prepared. No one was prepared when Tanny went down the 2nd time. No one was prepared for an old OG to suddenly get…old.
The preparation of the new group is noticed The old OG getting old????
I see the the Rosen thought, but felt there should have been greater emphasis on shoring up the lines. After the rop-off in talent in the draft, we went for RBs and ……..
Hope you can evaluate QB play when the QB is being harassed all game….. I think that’s tough to do Brady had NEVER had to deal with that…..think about this concept.
^. ^drop-off, ^. Brady NEVER….
LOL….can you figure out what I’m trying to “write”.
Krishna – We basically used 3 picks to help the O-line, Deiter, Prince and Cox. We do draft again next season, and we have a bundle of picks. With a QB already in hand, we have potential to turn that into a mega-bundle if a team wants to trade up for one of the QB’s.
Plus, you can bet we will be picking up a vet OL or maybe 2 post June 1st cuts.
I think we’ll see us add 2 vet OL and an edge guy in phase two of FA. Not saying nothing else because we still need more bodies for camp. But I do think we’ll target OL and Edge.
Definitely can see that.
Mike E…..like I said I have mixed emotions. Prince or Cox are not 2nd round talents or at least according to all the evaluators. We don’t know if Rosen is an NFL QB or not, but that’s the gamble.
We have a back up with the draft picks and capital. At least it’s a well reasoned plan.
We know Rosen is a 3-13 QB…at least that’s one way of measuring him.
Let’s be realistic, ARZ was not a good team. You’re asking a 21 year old rookie QB to carry a bad team? They started off 0-3 with a vet QB in Bradford scoring 20 points in the first 3 games. Rosen had no chance to do anything special. They fired their OC in-season, promoted a 1st time OC to replace him and fired their HC at the end of the season. Not exactly a solid foundation for a rookie QB.
Taking an OL in the 1st or 2nd RD is just as much as a gamble as taking a QB though. Every draft pick is a gamble. I understand your worries, our O-line was poor last year and we lost at worst a decent RT. We have work to do. We spent a 1st RD pick #19 on James and then let him walk 5 years later.
Not really…I don’t believe that. The chances are much greater picking a successful OL or DL than a QB at that level.
How’s Ereck Flowers doing? Greg Robinson is on his 4th team in 5 years. Jonathan Cooper? Don’t kid yourself, it happens all the time.
Of course it happens all the time, but the risk is greater to lose on the QB in the second round vs a lineman. I believe that is my comment.
I think the time to throw stuff is over blown. Drew Brees gets rid of the ball quicker than almost any QB. 2.5-2.7 seconds is kinda where they say you should be. You want your QB to make quick decisions and get the ball out fast. We were told constantly about how we were gonna “play fast”. You know how you do that? Get the ball out fast. That takes a QB who can make presnap reads and quick decisions. It also takes an offensive philosophy that backs off a defense. Our OL has been constantly put in horrible positions due to play calling and philosophy.
Completely agree….and that is on the QB…..Does Rosen have that? The good QBs can see the play of D when they get to the line….a lot of QBs don’t see it.
Krishna – Rosen is a 3-13 QB? Wow! I have never attributed wins and losses to a QB. I may state their record, especially when they have been in the league for years, but ARZ was a horrible team, it’s pretty unfair to pin the team’s record on the QB. That was a horrible situation for him to be in.
That’s all he is presently…..SHOW ME!
And, I sure hope we have better coaching!!!! Perhaps that will be huge, too. And, I’m counting on it.
T was in the same position and was most sacked in 3 year span from inception. Better coaching?????
Rosen has to show Flores that he’s worthy and capable of leading his team. He won’t be handed anything. I just hope he shows up!
Speaking of risk with drafting OL, I’m watching an E-60 show on Tony Mandarich. Lol
Doesn’t really address risk, but like I said it happens all the time. Lots of 1st pick busts…..how many are QBs vs DL or OL? Maybe I’m wrong.
Krishna – And that’s 1st RD picks, you get into the 2nd and 3rd RD picks and you can find as many OL misses as you can QB’s.
I would clarify that the percentage of 1st, 2nd, 3rd round QB busts vs percentage of 1st, 2nd, 3rd round DL or OL busts is much greater. Maybe it all averages out as there are so many more OL and DL positions that need filling and that are available vs 1 position for 1 player for a team.
OK, look at the playoff teams last year and what RD their QB was drafted in.
NE (6th)
BAL (1st)
HOU (1st)
IND (1st)
KC (1st)
LAC (1st)
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DAL (4th)
PHI (1st)
CHI (1st)
NO (2nd)
LAR (1st)
SEA (3rd)
8 of 12 are 1st RD picks. Sure, some are busts, but odds are if you find the right one, you will be a perennial playoff team
Would love to see the Defensive ranks of all those teams, if you can? Please?
I’m more concerned with our coaching staff at this point than our roster. However, I was ready to roll with Fitzpatrick and focus our draft on making the D top notch while being able to grab some online. Get our QB of the future next year.
What needs to happen now for Rosen is he gets acclimated with his teammates, coaches and the facility, and gets away from the Murray/Rosen drama. That’s over! No need to speak of it again. You’re a Dolphin now. 2019 season is all that matters.
Krishna,
I was just commenting on the irony. I would tend to agree that it’s harder to find a good QB than an OL. My guess is the numbers would probably support your opinion. But, we just lost a QB and a RT who were former 1st rounders, so it can happen with any guy. It’s why there is such a premium on finding QBs….and I think that premium is why it actually works in reverse and teams are more willing to take the risk on drafting a QB.
Thus my mixed emotions…..I truly hope he works out and steps into the role. Whatever his “success” I still think we have to try and get a top tier QB next year if we think there is one better than on our team. Management thought this year getting Rosen had greater value than what they had on their board. I hope so.
I sure hope we have good coaches this time around. They are the leaders of the team starting with the coach. Flores might be the man. Tough talk, tough love, no bullshit. I like that.
Someone can correct me, but I believe one of the scouting positives on Rosen was his ability to read defenses and his pre snap recognition. I seem to remember that being said of him last year in the draft.
It’s really the key to being an excellent QB, imo.
If that’s the case he should be really good because his arm is well above average. He can sling it!
I was of the opinion last year that of the four qb’s taken in the top ten Rosen was going to be the best and that’s still my opinion. So I’m thrilled that we got him because I feel we’ve got our franchise guy. You can look at it from the point of view that he had a terrible season and there’s no proof that he’s a franchise quarterback but, if that’s the case, then there’s no proof that BUF or the NYJ got a franchise qb either because they didn’t do any better.
You don’t know the situation in ARI but I look at it from this perspective. The Jets and Bills both needed franchise guys and starters and they got Darnold and Allen and treated them as such from day one working with the coaches and the starters to get them ready for the season.
Arizona had the guy the viewed as their starter when they took Rosen in Sam Bradford and I don’t believe they viewed Rosen as the guy who would start for them immediately and he probably didn’t get the benefit of working with the coaching staff and starters that the other two got.
Most likely with Bradford being viewed as the guy they were going to sit Rosen for the year behind him and allow him to learn and bring him along at that pace rather than having a sense of urgency to it. So you gotta think Bradford was getting most, if not all, of the reps with the first team while Rosen didn’t get many.
And then he was thrown into the fire after leading the team to an 0-3 start, throwing 2 td’s, 4 ints with a qb rating of 62.5. They lost to WAS 24-6, Rams 34-0 and CHI 16-14.
So, to me, I don’t think anyone can look at Rosen’s season with the worst team in the league and say it was all on him or a good portion of it was. I think he was mishandled from day one and we’re going to see the difference this season and the nice thing about than is we’re the team he is on.
I meant to say he was thrown into the fire after Bradford led the team to an 0-3 start. They are Bradford’s stats for the first 3 games
Let’s see the new offense and who steps up. When you’re in this rebuild situation as a fan, you have no choice but to accept it and you should enjoy the ride. We’ll see!
I’m going to enjoy the ride Tim because I know we’ve got our guy and we’re in good hands at the qb position.
I feel great about the people at the top with Grier, Allen and McKenzie, having Caldwell on staff to help our young qb’s and the new coaching staff.
Like I stated before, I get the sense this is going to end up as a Walsh-like San Fran dynasty rebuild that we’re looking at here.
I hope this is the case. We have a history of mishandling QBs, too.
Nobody is here from that part of our history. Jim Caldwell is much better at developing qb’s than the “quarterback whisperer”. Feel good about this. It’s going to be fun.
Randy: from CBS.com in 2018 predraft
Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA: Strengths: Clean, quick delivery. Strong arm. Experience under center. Very accurate at intermediate levels. Flashes of full-field reading and pocket maneuverability. Can make impressive anticipatory throws. Weaknesses: Can lock onto first read. Occasionally “overextends” plays and makes bad decisions forcing passes. Can slide into pressure and take huge hits. Downfield accuracy isn’t as good as his intermediate accuracy indicates it should be. Two concussions in college.
I get that maybe some are so tired of getting pumped for this team only to be let down that they don’t want to get their hopes up only to have it happen to them again and if you want to do that then it’s your prerogative.
I just can’t. I have too much evidence for myself in seeing what I’ve seen to this point with all the hirings in the front office to the way they assemble the coaching staff rather than having a mishmash of guys they just brought in to work together and you have no egos here.
We don’t have a head coach who is arrogant and thinks he knows everything or who wants total control of the team from top to bottom, we no longer have Tannenbaum wanting to go out and sign those high price free agents like Suh and we don’t have a coach who wants to bring in washed up old vets like Foster and Julius just so he can try and get his 9 wins and claim he had a winning season.
There is an actual plan in place as to how they are going to go about building this team and I get it. I get what they’re doing. I’m not sitting here screaming while other teams are signing free agents to big contracts saying “why the hell didn’t we go after this guy?” I’m not sitting here thinking we should go after Suh for a 1 yr deal or try to sign Ziggy to be our star DE.
I don’t care about any of that because I get it. This team is nothing like it was in the past so I’m not living in the past and that’s why I am so positive. If we had brought in Rosen with Gase still here I wouldn’t think much of it. But with the guys we’ve got here now I’m thrilled.
Randy, I don’t feel like I have any vitrol towards Rosen. I just don’t want them to “settle” of the guy I didn’t want us to take last year. I think there are some really good QB’s in next years class and I though last years class was very week and over hyped. All but maybe Mayfield looked like crap.
why didn’t you want us to take him last year?
I thought he was the worst of the group which wasn’t a good group. That’s why.
What I saw was his WR either wide open to stop or “turn to the left” to catch his passes or WR’s making fantastic catches. He seldom turned his head after the snap locking on to the first guy on the play, and seemed to huck the ball
interesting.
fucking cant type on this iphone
Randy:… from fansided.com
Rosen’s Strength: Intermediate Accuracy
The sexiest play a quarterback can make is a deep throw that leads his receiver. Thus, many fans—and even some general managers—have fallen in love with the quarterbacks who can air it out and utilize the deep ball to their advantage.
What Josh Rosen has going for him, however, is the ability to throw accurate passes on the intermediate level—a skill that successful general managers salivate over.
He had the highest grade in the draft class when throwing to the intermediate (10-19-yard) level.
Rosen completed 62.6 percent of his passes in 2017, but that’s a somewhat misleading statistic. That percentage was negatively impacted by the fact that his teammates dropped 31 passes this season—an egregiously high number.
For those who are concerned that the drops may be a product of Rosen throwing poor passes, the numbers display that his accuracy actually sets him apart.
Josh Rosen’s accuracy sets him apart from the other top QBs in this year’s draft class
Any quarterback who can consistently fit throws between the linebackers and the safeties will intrigue scouts and general managers. Rosen’s ability to do so is exactly why he’s emerging as one of the more coveted quarterbacks in recent NFL Draft history.
Coupled with the poise that Rosen has displayed under pressure, he has the look and feel of a high-level NFL quarterback—especially in this intermediate-driven era.
there is a touchdown pass he throws in the comeback win vs Texas A&M between two defenders into the endzone, on a rope, that is just a thing of beauty. he sees the field extremely well, goes thru progressions very well, has great footwork, nice pocket presence moving around well to avoid pressure, he doesn’t panic under pressure, he’s able to buy time and makes plays with his feet and he throws an extremely accurate ball that’s easy for his playmakers to catch.
Radio.com:
“Jay Gruden liked Rosen coming out of UCLA, as did O’Connell. Washington is a heavy play-action team that likes to throw from the pocket—both strengths of Rosen—and also likes throwing to the tight end. That’s up Rosen’s alley. Seems like the best match of need and availability.”
In the 2018 Draft Combine, it was emphasized that Rosen’s footwork and mechanics made him an attractive player in that year’s draft. Some of his strengths that were noted were his pass completion rate when being under the blitz, his coordination between his eyes and feet and his ability to trust his protection enough to not lose focus on his receivers and not throw the football without complete confidence. He has the foundation to become a successful quarterback but it all relies on the system he is in to develop him into the ideal quarterback he needs to be.
Like I said before, I was of the opinion last yr that Rosen was the best of the four taken top 10 and nothing has changed my opinion of that.
Right now, I can care less about who is in next year’s qb class and “missing out” on one of those guys because of Rosen. He’s the guy right now. There is no crystal ball that any of us can look into and say that any of those guys next year will be a definite no matter how good they play.
So if there’s people who feel jaded because we didn’t get their guy or aren’t going to get their guy next year that’s up to them but this was the right move and we got the best qb of the 2018 class. So enjoy it rather than worrying about anything else.
This is a “throw away” season in a certain way, so it is the perfect time to take a chance on a player like Rosen. If he’s awful, we draft another one next year, if he’s ok, we give him another year and then draft another QB if his second year with us is also only ok, if he’s great, we keep him and develop him.
Regardless, we continue to build up all the other position groups, especially the OL and DE.
Mixed emotions……just not looking through rosen-colored glasses. Just trying to see clearly and play devil’s advocate. I hope with new coaches, better development, and fresh start, it all works out. I have doubts, because it seems he’s being set up to fail again ala NO OL. Isn’t that the definition of insanity.
KM will never have the luxury he had at OU playing in the Big 12 (the no D league) now that he is in the NFL. Another potential star whose light will dim because of the misconception that all you need is a 1st round QB to take you to the promise land. I just don’t buy it.
Behind every successful QB is a great team. No QB is ever successful without an OL, RB or WRs. (HMMMM……all the excuses Rosen wasn’t successful in AZ). It’s the most important position and it takes the other 10 plus an excellent D to be successful.
It’s the ultimate TEAM sport. Hopefully, we’re putting together a great team. I love what the new guys are doing so “stay the course.”
I hope the stars align and Rosen’s reset is successful and he doesn’t get killed in the process.
https://www.phinmaniacs.com/news/its-okay-to-change-your-mind-about-dolphins-qb-josh-rosen
OK I’ll take a breath
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article229384254.html
Some stuff about our undrafted rookies
Fresh start, clean slate, call it what you want
He’s here now and I for one hope he turns out to be one of the greats
GO PHINS
Krishna – It actually made me laugh when you asked me what the defense’s ranked for those playoff teams that had 1st RD QB’s, yet you boldly proclaimed Josh Rosen as a 3-13 QB with no regard for his defense, so I’ll give you the full story on everything you asked for and more! 🙂
NE (7th)
BAL (2nd)
HOU (4th)
IND (10th)
KC (24th)
LAC (8th)
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DAL (6th)
PHI (12th)
CHI (1st)
NO (14th)
LAR (20th)
SEA (11th)
Oh, if you’re interested, Arizona’s defense was ranked 26th. I thought it was the O-line that was more important though? You know how bad Arizona’s was last year, they had a bunch of injuries, and weren’t playing well before that. Sam Bradford was 0-3 in his 3 starts when the O-line was at full strength with 2 TD’s and 4 INT’s. You really have to look at the whole picture when trying to gauge the QB. I know you know all this, we all conveniently add or subtract info to help our side of the discussion. Anyway, just give the kid a chance.
I will always think the QB is the most important player on the field until the NFL does something to make that not the case. I know your feeling is that it all starts in the trenches, and we’re both right. Grier and Flores said they need a QB, and they got one. I’m hoping he can be our starter for a long time, and a successful starter at that! Cheers man!
they have 4 actually
I didn’t boldly proclaim anything, except you need a top 10 defense….how many the playoff teams have that and what was the rank of D and what round was Brady selected? Just the facts maam.
The last SB was one with a 6 round draft pick for QB and a 7 ranked D. That’s all I’ve been saying.
According to the stats you provided.
Good morning Rock! How are ya bud? Who has 4? 4 what?
Ohhhhh, QB’s. Yeah, they said they need a QB when they already had 3. Imagine that?
LOL, yes they have 4 QB’s now.
Oh, and Gesicki still could not block by the end of the year last year. 😉
Krishna – You said Rosen is a 3-13 QB. It’s not important, I know what you meant.
and you said “no one” assigns wins and losses to QB’s……
Unless that is his name begins with T and ends with annehill.
😉 tongue sticking out emoji
I fought for Tannehill until last year when I couldn’t stand watching him anymore. We all “assign” things if they help our argument. It’s always been that way, always will be. You only tell the part of the story that suits your side.
Brady is completely the exception to the rule. That doesn’t happen very often. There may not be a QB in the NFL with more drive than Brady, even now, and with less physical talent. He never had a plus arm, never had speed, but that guy has such drive, it’s unbelievable. I could only wish that Josh Rosen has 1/2 the drive that Brady has.
Rock – Gesicki was a disappointment last season. You don’t think I was disappointed? Thank goodness he still has time to do great things, and this year with Flores it’s gonna happen. Gase ignored the TE, Flores will embrace them.
My whole schtick with Gesicki is basically busing YOUR balls. LOL I thought Goedert was the better prospect and “picked him as my guy” and we had a little rivalry going about it. I do really hope he turns into the seam threat scoring / first down machine we all hoped we would draft.
John Denney on the other hand…..
The interconnection of everything on the web is really freakin disturbing. There is a web-site called the “blue book of construction” that lists all kinds of contractors and sub-contractors all over the country. I use it as a tool to find companies to do certain scopes of work in towns where I do not have a large base of sub-contractors.
Anyway, they recently updated / upgraded their site. I logged in today (with a separate business e-mail and password than ANYTHING I use personally) and my profile name shows up in the upper right hand of the page with a freeking out yellow emoji (my avi here) as my profile picture!!!
There should be NO direct or indirect connection between the two. I asked another guy in the office to log in and look and he sees the freak out avi as my profile pic to. I might have to go back to the good old mr. blankie. I don’t want my business persona to be connected to my REAL self! LOL
Creepy
Internet connectivity is really creepy. There is no right to privacy in the modern world and I hate that.
Shoot, this guy has a nice resume, but he looks like nervous nellie, let’s go with the other guy . . .
I give us a B+ due to the Saints second rounder we got next year will be in the 60’s. Here’s to the Saints going 7-9 next year. lol
I don’t get the talk about 1st round QB’s vs 1st round OL. You can draft an OL in the 1st and he does not have to be top 10 at his position to get you there. Doesn’t matter if you drafted him as an OT and he ends up playing guard. If he is solid at his position for the next 10-12 years, he was a great pick. IMO, you are taking a much bigger chance on drafting a QB in the 1st cause he needs to be a top 10 (90% of the time) to get you to deep into the playoffs. But it is a risk you have to take.
Mike – What it comes down to is do they help your team. You draft Ereck Flowers and move him to 5 different positions in 2 years before you finally give up on him. On the other hand, just for fun since it’s relevant, you draft Josh Rosen who has poor season, and then you trade him for a 2nd RD and 5th RD pick. It’s all relative.
Or, since we’re Dolphins fans, you trade up to #3 for DJFF, and he tortures you for 4 years until you finally give up. No more palatable than missing on a QB, it’s all the same. When you miss on a 1st RD pick, it sucks no matter what position he plays. Devante Parker for instance.
Krisnna has good points but only so much we could do in one draft and QB is always more important than OL, DL. Not even debatable considering the effort, cost, and low success rate of QBs. Now, it can be argued that it’s a bad bet considering failure rates but the only QBs given enough of a chance to win are usually 1st rounders. There’s a reason Brady is unique beyond being Brady. 6th rounders just don’t get that opportunity. With OL, later picks can compete and win the job.
This year is the growth year and we should expect it to be ugly. We seem to have more talent than Zona did last year so maybe Rosen fools us like Lou says. A year’s worth of practice, learning, and execution will tell our coaches what they need to know. I will say that Keim did such a terrible job last year that Zona supposedly has THIRTEEN WRs right now. Rosen could have used a bit more support than Fitz, rookie Kirk and the unstoppable RSJ and it seems Keim finally realizes that.
Also David Johnson was not himself last year. Not sure if it was rust, but that guy was a one man wrecking crew in ’16, a juggernaut. Last year he wasn’t even average.
well yeah, Johnson played all of one game in ’17 and then had to play behind the same line as Rosen is getting excused for.
Preston Williams is suppose to be a good wr, he had some off field problems,
Why are we still talking about “FAILED” who are no longer with the team??????
Tanny, DFFJ, Who ever else you want to bring up???????
They have already been fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only one left is the owner!
And as much as OD don’t like it, he’s not going anywhere!
But he keeps swinging!
Because it’s relevant to the discussion as to which hurts you more, drafting a failed QB in RD 1 or drafting a failed anything else in RD 1.
Both will get you fired!
the dice are already cast, so it’s a pretty moot point??????
(well him and Grier who has been here for decades and says he was the final say for the last 3 drafts)
Failed regimes that is
Rock – That’s a great point with David Johnson. Very true
Love the way David Gettleman says QB. KWATA-back
TO in his infamous speech, when he faked a cry, said it the same way.
Mike E
That’s not how I see the conversations going?
Most of them are just a form of I told you so’s!
That’s blogging for ya!
What are we hoping will happen this year, that Rosen shows he can be a franchise QB or that he somewhat flops? If he flops and we get the top pick we should get Tua, if he shows positive signs, but doesn’t quite light it up, maybe we dont take Tua.
Its draft day 202 we’re sitting with the top pick, what do we do, trade down for a kings randsome or take Tua?
You know what I want. I want that kings ransom, I’ve been saying that for months!
I WANT for the team to be successful and I want to know by draft time next year if Rosen will be the guy moving forward. (Great, not good) because I WANT a GREAT QB.
I just don’t feel like that’s what we got right now. I hope I’m wrong, but I am sick of hoping.
Gesicki has put on 10lbs of muscle this offseason. Most TEs dont do much their rookie seasons, so I’ll give him a pass for last year, but he better bring it this year.
I really don’t have a problem with how Gase handled him last year, because he was trying to make him a complete TE, which seems to be what he wants himself, based on the muscle he put on.
I’m expecting above average this year and maybe a breakout year, but I’ll hold off on the expectation, because of the rebuild, especially if Rosen is week 1 starter.
They also brought in Dwayne Allen, and Clive Walford to compete with Oleary, Smythe and Gesicki, so there is some none-to-subtle motivation right there.
I hope (there is that freakin word again, blah!) that the rookies from last year show some real development this year. But as you said because of the rebuild there may be a hiccup in their growth.
Tua, to me, is not like a Murray or as good. Give me Fromm. They want a guy who can read defense in a split second. Not saying Tua can’t but Fromm has been praised for his smarts and ability to read defenses. From the time he breaks the huddle and and walks to the line he already has the defense read and knows where he is going with the ball before he gets under center. It gave him the upper hand and lit up Alabama last year This is why he took over as the UGA QB in the first half of his freshman year.
Also, the system you guys mentioned we will be running on offense, I believe Fromm’s OC at UGA is one of the original designers of that system.
IMO, right now it’s 60/40 we don’t draft a QB next year. I think Rosen gets 2 years to prove himself. If he fails, we will sell the farm for Lawrence in 2021.
From is my guy too.
From
GOD DAMN IT SIRI!!! THERE ARE TWO M’S IN FROMM!
LOL @ “rosen-colored glasses”
Thanks Kong for that! I thought it was slightly clever. 😉
BTW, I think Rosen has the talent. I just did not like him because of his (perceived) attitude. I am a long time member of the Patience Brigade and I am back on that train for now. LOL
come on over to the RDS!! LOL I have switched sides. It is cathartic to let the hate out. JK/BB
How can you completely judge that though with the media feeding their opinions on everything. He supposedly got a standing ovation at Fitgeralds charity softball game, he apparently is liked very much by his teammates who took to social media to defend him. Gotta watch what narrative you latch on to when listening to these talking heard all barf the same stories around with a “source close to the issue” who is never named and who never comes forward to say out loud what they supposedly said in darkness.
Mike E. says:
April 30, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Can you tell me why we’re way better? Way better where? I don’t know how you can say that right now. You’re plugging Deiter and Prince in at RG and RT respectively, and you put Wilkins on the DL and now we’re way better? van Ginkel is better than Robert Quinn? That’s pretty damn optimistic. Understood that you hope Rosen is also better than Tannehill. BTW, not arguing, just think you may be a little optimistic using the addition by subtraction theory here.
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Im looking at it from a 90 ft perspective.
I do think i explaind some of it in my post, but i think coaching wise, we were in chaos, whether it be Gase himself not being able to get things moving int he rght direction or put a good staff together, i dunno but our coahing cstaff was not a good one and the team was all kind of dysfunctional because of it. Thats a good chunk of us being in a better spot. We dont know who Flores is yet, but we cant get much worse than the last couple of years.
I think we are in a better spot at the FO position, with a rebuild mindset that is set to build correctly not just throw shit on top of a shaky foundation, we are building the right team the right way.
Player wise, we needed a dominant DT and we have one. Cant judge the success of the pick just yet, but i think we are improved on the DL having added one of if not the best DT in the draft. This statement i get comes down to opinion, so i can see how you might feel differently, but you ar asking me how i an feel it much improved. LB’s remaing the same with some better depth. Secondary remains the same but with a more true outside guy than we had last year with McCain out of position. McCain now can go back to a role he is much better at. So i take that as an improved defesne, much better than we had last year having added depth with Carradine, Van Ginkle and Harris in a role that fits him a lot better. I also think Flores influence on the players and his defensive mind is going to make a ton of improvements. So Defese improved.
On offense we have a young QB who was a top prospect last year and has most of the skills necessary to become a good player, and just needs the right coach to get it all put together, Jim Caldwell is a great coach to make that happen. We have added an OG who will help strengthen the inside of our OL (again, im assuming and its my opinion, but how i feel) We have an All Pro LT, and a solid OC returning, and we added depth behind the two for a incase of emergncy situation. We arent significantly better on the OL but we are definately improved there. We added some good TE’s to the mix so we are stronger there. We already had a solid pair of RB’s and now we have added a third back thats kind of slippery and could be used well in the passing game. Our WR’s were already deep but we even added some nice depth there. Offense improved.
We are pretty much were we were for ST’s so even there.
Overall i think you have to assume since we have improved ourselves on offense and defense, that we are a much improved team. I also say this because our last year was complete garbage, and it doesnt take much to be better than that. As i said in my post, we might not be good, but we are definately improved and this is a wor in progress im not expecting competitive next year but i do believe we will look like a real NFL team next year and thats a lot better than 2018.
You left out we got a FULL BACK!!! WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO
well said D, it’s not the players, talent is mostly equal due to the draft and the way the NFL is set up, they want parity. the difference is the coaches.
i believe the taking of a FB in the draft shows good signs of this coaching staff, run oriented, unlike the last coach.
we may be better at the qb position due to scheme and running the ball
maybe we take a hit at RT due to the loss of james, as far as quinn goes he wasn’t really lighting up anyone, and you can bet our base D will be a 3-4, not this D we had last year that gashed us up the middle.
we may be a better team now as opposed to last year.
Fromm is a good QB, Tua is a a good QB. I think Fromm is a more pure pocket passer and Tua is more razzle dazzle, al la Murray or Baker Mayfield. I think Tua is better than Murray not worse, and i think that Tua has more pocket passer in him than Murray. In fact its probably a better comparison to Baker Mayfield than Murray for Tua. Fromm is actually a lot like Rosen, except i think Rosen has a more misinterpreted attitude, he definitely comes off a little standoff, at least right now, but i probably would too if i had 30 reporters asking me the same fucking questions over and over and over, salting a brand new wound. Those of you who like Fromm i really cant see y’all not at least seeing the potential in Rosen.
There is potential neither of these QB declare for the draft, there is a possibility that either of these guys could sustain an injury that either makes them go back for another year to build their draft stock or make them a ? health wise. Same for Lawrence so now your adding in 2 years to give time for that shit to happen. The best move we could make for our team is to do what we needed to to take a guy we believed in and so we did.
i don’t trust Tua, you cant get a good sample size from him as he plays on a dynasty, what would happen if you put Tua on a bad college team? he won’t be behind a dominant team like alabama in the pros.
I have been feeling this way since people starter talking abotu tanking for Tua. Im an SEC football guy and i think he is good but i dont think he is so good that he is just night and day better than what was available this year. I think thats a media narrative.
what worries me is Rosens passer rating at 67.7…..oh wait…that’s a team stat!
Lol, they were a bad team, i dont think anything was working on offense last year. The only concern i have is that that shit show didnt leave a stink on him as a player. If he can bounce back i think we are fine, if he is damaged goods then we have another Tanny situation in the making.
I mean look at David Johnson last year. that dude is a beast of a RB and he couldn’t get anything going either.
I think Gesicki will benefit from having a QB who uses a TE and other outlet receivers better. One of Arizona’s TE got more targets than all of our put together, and had a higher per reception than all of ours put together or any of ours individually.
Apparently Kyle Rudolph might get shopped or cut if they cant trade him. Vikes are having cap issues and they save close to 8mil by getting rid of him. Not that we have a need at TE, but i could definitely see NE taking him.
I think our new offense will utilize the TEs more regardless of who the QB is. The coaches seem to value them more. It’s one of the first positions they addressed this offseason.
Laquon Treadwell also might be on the outs, the Vikes just declined his 2020 5th year option and he has never really put it together for them so he could get cut too.
Flacons just cut Brandon Fusco, there is a depth OG if we dont find better options.