So the NFL draft came and went in a whirl wind weekend. I think we made out pretty well. 2 major holes filled, or potentially filled, it’s still unknown at the moment. In my mind, the order of importance for me was QB, DL, OL. That’s how I saw it, and it wasn’t going to be easy to fill all those needs completely in one draft. For perspective, we used 6 picks in this draft, next season we have 12 picks, one 1st RD pic, two 2nd RD picks, two 3rd RD picks, two 4th RD picks, one 5th RD pick, and two each of 6th and 7th RD picks. We’re going to do a lot of fixing next season, and it’s not only a substantial draft haul, we will be flush with cap money, near $100M, so we will have plenty of flexibility to continue to add quality players to our roster.
So here’s what we did so far . . .
DT Christian Wilkins 6’3 315 Clemson Round 1 Pick #13
Wilkins was one of the top prospects on the DL in this draft. A very high character player with off the charts leadership abilities, he’s a foundation player that can set the tone in the locker room, as well as on the field. A very productive player at Clemson, Wilkins was a 4 YR starter with excellent tackling ability,. He can also get to the QB with 16 total sacks in 4 seasons. He has great burst and short are quickness, and should slide in immediately as a starter in either a 3-4 or 4-3 front.
QB Josh Rosen 6’4 226 UCLA/Arizona Cardinals Round 2 Pick #62 + 2020 5th RD Pick
Originally the 10th overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, Josh spent last season with the Arizona Cardinals. Rosen started 13 games last season for Arizona finishing with 11 TD’s and 14 INT’s as well as a 55% completion percentage. It was a difficult rookie season on a very poor team evidenced by the firing of rookie HC Steve Wilks after 1 season. RB David Johnson was coming back after missing most of the previous season and was not the same player and rarely found any running room and finished with 1386 total yards in 2019 after finishing with 2118 total yards in 2016, his last full season. Larry Fitzgerald was really the only reliable target on a poor offense.
OG Michael Deiter 6’5 309 Wisconsin Round 3 Pick #78
Dieter was a 3 year starter at Wisconsin, and was actually a first team all-conference pick as a starter at LT. He played the rest of his college career however at at both guard spots and center. Obviously, Deiter is versatile and play most anywhere but is projected as an OG/C. Deiter neeeds to work hark hard in the weight room, but is a capable player who may end up playing sooner than later considering our depth along the O-line. He’s a good run blocker playing in Wiconsin’s pro style offense.
OLB Andrew Van Ginkel 6’3 241 Wisconsin Round 5 Pick #151
Andrew Van Ginkel was a 2 YR starter at OLB for Wisconsin. He has pass rushing ability and has 12 sacks in 2 seasons. Think of him as a Chase Winovich or T.J. Watt lite. He has athletic ability running a 4.56 40, a 38″ vertical, a super quick 4.14 20 yard shuttle and very good 6.89 3 cone drill. He’s a physical specimen that can hopefully find a place on our roster as pass rusher and chase and tackle LB.
OT Isaiah Prince 6’6 305 Ohio St. Round 6 Pick #202
Prince was a 3 YR starter at Ohio State, all at RT. Not coincidentally, we have a huge need at RT with the departure of Ja’Wuan James. He’s a project of sorts, not a natural knee bender and just beginning to improve with pass protection. I would imagine he will be in competition for a starting spot due to the lack of quality depth at the position with Zach Sterup and Jesse Davis. Another prospect that needs to hit the weight room (most do).
FB Chandler Cox 6’1 236 Auburn Round 7 Pick #233
Chandler Cox just sounds like a New England Patriot, doesn’t it? Cox played sparingly during 4 seasons with the Auburn Tigers. Cox was projected as an undrafted FA, but the Dolphins wanted him here. I expect Cox to make the 53. If the Patriots can get a starting QB late in RD 6, surely we can get a FB late in RD 7! Cox performed well at the Auburn pro day running a 4.7 40 with a 32″ vertical. Look for him to be worked hard to help spring the potential of our 2019 ground game, which should be exciting with the next guy I’ll discuss.
RB Myles Gaskin 5’9 204 Washington Round 7 Pick #234
Gaskin was a 4 YR starter at Washington and a very productive one at that. You look at his height weight combo you think bowling ball, but Gaskin is built more like a scat back, but he’s definitely an inside runner too, so he can do it all. Gaskin has 5323 rushing yards and 57 rushing TD’s in 4 seasons with Washington, along with 65 receptions and 465 yards receiving and 5 TD’s. This dynamo ran a 4.58 40 with a nice vertical. He’s got a lot of wiggle in him, and I think he’ll definitely be part of what I view as a very nice, diversified backfield with Kenyan Drake, Kalen Ballage and FB Chandler Cox. He has a lot of mileage but I expect he’ll continue to rack more up here in Miami.
In addition to our draft picks, we were busy as expected picking up a number of undrafted free agents. I’m not positive this is the most up to date or accurate list, but this is what I found . . .
- Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
- Preston Williams, WR, Colorado State
- Tyler Horton, CB, Boise State
- Deion Calhoun, OL, Mississippi State
- Nik Needham, CB, UTEP
- Montre Hartage, CB, Northwestern
- Ryan Anderson, OL, Wake Forest
- Wes Farnsworth, LS, Nevada
- Dewayne Hendrix, DE, Pitt
- Jonathan Ledbetter, DE, Georgia
- Trenton Irwin, WR, Stanford
- Aaron Monteiro, OL, Boston College
- Rob Rolle, S, Villanova
- Tre Watson, LB, Maryland
All in all, I’m really very pleased with the end result of the draft weekend. Am I looking at this through Rosen colored glasses? Of course I am! I’m getting more enthusiastic about acquiring QB Josh Rosen each day. I think he’s going to come in here and work very hard to be a difference maker, and although I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is a swell guy, I think his impact will be more as a mentor than a starting QB. I think Rosen will be our starter in 2019, and I think he’s going to earn it all the way.
This doesn’t mean we’re a Superbowl team, we still have some big holes. Our O-line needs to get settled, and I don’t think we’re done there yet either. Once cuts start happening, there will be a few veteran OL that could probably help us and I expect to pick up 1 or 2 there. Same goes for the D-line, we have little talent on the edge and also expect to get a little help once cuts begin for the DE position as well.
No one expected us to rebuild everything in one season, that’s just totally unrealistic. That doesn’t mean we can’t get to the point of being respectable. I think we can achieve that, and not be an easy beat for any team. I want to continue to improve each week and see growth, and that will put us in great position next season where we have 12 picks, and multiple picks in the first 100, and likely around $100M in cap space. It’s very promising indeed! GO DOLPHINS!
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Josh Rosen’s introductory press conference
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D, that is why I said perceived attitude. I got sucked into the media stuff last draft. I am sure he is a good dude just a different personality than most maybe and gets perceived the wrong way. This is why I am on the patience brigade with him. He is our QB going forward and believe at least we improved over Tanny. LOL
Gotcha, and i agree, i dont know what to think about him but i thin the best way is for us to clear the air and let him show us, because i dont want him coming in and havng to carry the weight of what the media wants to hang on him while trying to start over here. The terd patrol we have reporting for us probably isn’t going to let that happen but we as fans can try to give him his shot.
Feel bad for him. He’s been bounced around the league the last few years and now this.
He actually did alright last year…… that could be a career-killer for a RB. Least as far as money — when all over.
Us cutting anyone early doesnt bode well. We are still below our 90 arent we?
It depends on why they released him.
D — for sure doesn’t bode well for Valoaga.
I think Ledbetter was one of the best UDFA’s out there, i feel him sticks on the 53. He has versatility for our multiples defense and i could even see him in rotation early on.
Tim Knight says:
May 1, 2019 at 1:16 pm
Feel bad for him. He’s been bounced around the league the last few years and now this.
Raiders’ RB Isaiah Crowell tore his Achilles during a workout with the team Monday and is out for the season, per source. Crowell will undergo season-ending surgery next week. Brutal blow for a player who signed a one-year contract with Oakland.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) May 1, 2019
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He is definitely one f those players where you felt like the guy was playing well and then a team just out of the blue gave up on him, he goes to another team seems to do pretty decent and same thing happens again. He has had a weird career so far.
Yeah that’s what I meant. The same type of thing is happening to Carlos Hyde.
I know the Miami Times is quirky, but this headline is unfair — “No Black quarterback for Dolphins.” Article did not include a pic of our current GM and HC.
What a bunch of nonsense. We looked into acquiring Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater and RGIII and they all decided to sign elsewhere. And like you said, does anyone know who are GM and HC is? We have the most diversified and minority lead front office and coaching staff representation in the NFL.
I’m not even going to read the article, that’s a bunch of shit right there. Can’t we get credit for having the only Jewish QB? How bout that? I don’t see other teams doing that.
I would like to know who came up with that ridiculous headline.
I wonder if I could guess which doosh bagg wrote this “article”???????
His name is Mark Stallworth. Not sure what his agenda is but there was no reason for that headline.
OH well I would have been wrong!
Who writes for the Times??????
That was such a ridiculous headline I had to check it out. it looks like that paper is specifically about the black community for the black community and the headline isn’t intending to be antagonistic.
More along the lines of a school newspaper and reporting one of your alumni didn’t get selected to your local team. The first line of the article mentions even though they hoped for a black QB, nobody expected to get last years 1st rd selection from Arizona.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with the article, headline, or paper, just adding context.
And I’m not from Miami, so I may be wrong about it being a ‘black community’ paper. That was just the impression I got skimming through it.
That’s why I said not sure what his agenda is. The problem I have is when black people say stuff like we all wish we would have gotten a black QB. Why? I thought race shouldn’t be an issue. It’s stuff like this that keeps racial divides alive.
He’s got some size 6-4 280 to play stout at DE.
I did not kow he was that big
He was a huge underachiever and was one of the reasons I wasn’t a big fan of the Clemson DL guys. Wilkins was the only one I was hoping for but I’d pass on Ferrell and Lawrence.
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In 2013, Kenny Stills was conducting a pre-combine workout in California. After the workout, Stills reportedly offered strong praise for the QB who had been brought in to throw. It was 16-year-old Josh Rosen. (Via OC Register).
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Just got a call from Tim (not that one) — our guy with the Phins. “Seat draft” is way earlier this year — next Monday. We will be one of the first ones in (15 mins after starts). Both Chargers and Skins are lower priced games….. which is good.
Based on the poll will be the Skins game on Oct 13 — but if people want to try and overturn the popular election before then feel free. But am gonna assume Skins otherwise.
And always try to learn stuff. He said the Pats and Jets games have a bunch of interest (but like every year). But also said the one that was off the charts was the Eagles game.
Will be hitting on y’all for tentative in/out/ maybes and tix numbers before Monday…… but right now just start thinking about The F-ing Fest. 🙂
Jackson also left out Jayrone Elliot who will be in the mix at DE.
I think he’ll be an OLB edge pass rusher.
Stanger – Pretty sure we’ll be 4 this year
You do agree is the Skins game? In the past have sent out an e-mail to clear that, but this year seems very clear.
It’s not up to me, but if that’s what the majority voted, I guess so.
12-6 is a pretty clear majority. Like said — if folks want to move around could happen…… but I need to know my Monday.
All Festers, please pay attention!
Action is needed as far as getting our group tickets, Stanger has been notified that we need to make our game selection next Monday, May 6th. At the moment, the votes indicate that the Redskins game is the clear leader. Please let Stanger know if you’re attending, and how many tickets you will need.
Thanks!
Thanks Mike E. Only thing that really needs to be before Monday is which game, but yeah will be trying my best to figure out how many seats to reserve as well. And no obligation — will have enough for the minimum and don’t have to be paid for with the Phins until like Sept (and can back out up until then).
OK cool. I just asked my better half, who must be stressed by her work day, and she kinda gave me a Linda Blair Exorcist look and said “I don’t know, honey, I don’t know if the kids want to go, and I can’t make that decision right now!”. LOL
Tim,
I don’t want to get into a big racial debate or anything, but I think it’s only natural for a marginalized group to want to see more success from their members, or any group for that matter. I know I was stoked to see a local Sacramento guy Jonah Williams get drafted. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in wanting that as long as it isn’t at ‘all costs’. This article points out that nobody expected us to get Rosen, and it didn’t go out of it’s way to denigrate him or paint the Fins FO in a bad light for not selecting a black QB, so I don’t have an issue with it.
I would have a problem with the headline if it was mainstream, but like I said, it appears to be more for the black community and it didn’t appear to have an intent to ‘rile up the populace’, so meh, not a big deal IMO.
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I don’t have a problem with that either. I wouldn’t campaign to get Rosen because he’s Jewish and I am too, but it’s kind of cool that he’s here now. After all . . .
LOL, nice one. They’re going to have to update that sheet of paper!
Nice little “Roundabout” riff included free of charge. lol
All I could think of was which on didn’t want him?
The Coach? or the GM?
My point is too many people focus on race and color. I live in a very diversified and multi-cultural area and in daily life as we go about our business I see people being kind to each other and not focused on it. Not saying mean, racist assholes of all walks don’t exist among us because they do, just that I don’t sense a lot of local tensions and I see it working with people of all walks co-existing together.
Rabble rousers stir that nonsense up. I just find that sort of thing exhausting when I don’t see the majority of people focusing on any of that. Most people want to live a good life and be happy. The angry ones speak the loudest. Not saying Mark Stallworth is that, just wish more people would stop focusing on race and color and think more about MLK’s words.
Cav — my problem was ““No Black quarterback for Dolphins.” If you think this author or headline writer didn’t know that was click bait and suggested something nefarious…. then we can discuss. But maybe just how the internet world works these days.
Wow, they LOVED him when they drafted him. Has he been injured or anything?
OK, he did have knee injury and was placed on IR, but not sure if he even needed surgery. I’d take at a look at him
He’s still signed with them for this year though.
Tim – Oh, I didn’t realize that, thought he already played 4 seasons. OK, never mind
We’re seeing a few teams not picking up 5th year options like BUF with Shaq Lawson which was posted above.
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May 1, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Just mentioned on @nflnetwork: The #Bills have decided to not pick up the fifth-year option for DE Shaq Lawson, source says. So he’s slated to be a free agent after this upcoming season.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) May 1, 2019
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Neither he nor his buddy Kevin Dodd, who i kinda liked a little more than Lawson. Pretty sad to see they both fizzled out already. Lawson started his career with an ACL i think Dodd just failed flat out. Didnt Dodd go to the Titans?
Yeah looks like Dodd is a FA right now, cut by the Titans.
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We have waived cornerback Dee Delaney, quarterback Luke Falk and defensive end Jeremiah Valoaga.
well, there goes Falk.
Just saw that. I guess they weren’t good fits.
that udfa cb they signed today from UTEP has got a real shot to make the 53. he’s a Flores type db who is always around the ball and is stuck to the receiver.
Who dat?
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Seems to me we’ll be scouring waiver wires and June 1st cuts for players with NFL experience to fill out the roster by TC.
Stanger,
Is it click bait? Maybe. Is it nefarious? lol, I think that is sensationalizing a bit. Clearly you took it that way. I also took it as click bait when you presented it. I would have never come across it on my own. When I looked up the Miami Times and saw their front page, it looked to me like what I said above, a paper for the black community, not targeting your (or my) demographic. Then I read the article, and it was very tame. I would think most people who care enough to read that article know Miami has a black HC and GM.
Tim,
I think it’s great you live in a diverse community where everyone is happy and nice. A lot of people don’t, lol. Either way, it doesn’t preclude the idea that most people like to see people they can relate to do well. That is all I took from that article. The black community that newspaper targets was hoping for a black QB. The horror, lol.
This is as far down this particular rabbit hole I want to go. I’m a white guy who doesn’t get riled up by minority communities wanting representation and maybe even talking about it. It just doesn’t bother me. I don’t think platitudes like “can’t we all just get along” and “can’t we just ignore race” are real solutions, and I understand that sometimes what these communities may do at times may seem abrasive to me, but possibly might be something I just don’t understand. Like I said earlier, just looking at that headline, I was like “WTF?” but after I delved into it, I realized the message wasn’t meant for me.
Anyway, I know you guys will have rejoinders, but I’ve said all I really can on this topic. Cheers guys. 🙂
Cav — said “suggested something nefarious” — but, as you say, once read the article was nothing like that. How they get you to click. What they get paid for…. least on one article.
I do get a little rild up by shit because its not right. I get what you are saying and how having a guy who your community can unify behind is uplifting, but how about this there is an even bigger community you can unify with if you stop making race your primary reason your happy about things. If you can only be happy if the president is black and the city council is black and the state government is black and the Qb and OL are black etc etc etc, are you very accepting or are you only happy when your race is represented. What about the Hispanics, what about Asians, what about whites, why cant we all be represented and that be how the world is great. I just think ny time that you are thinking race when you are determining if you are happy about something you are off to the wrong start. Having the world be all black is really no different than it being all white ya know?
Same problem with this argument as what I said below.
Kong, I didn’t say everyone is happy and nice. LOL
My stance is the same as what D just said below. I also know many different minority groups that are sick of it as well.
stangerx says:
May 1, 2019 at 2:12 pm
I know the Miami Times is quirky, but this headline is unfair — “No Black quarterback for Dolphins.” Article did not include a pic of our current GM and HC.
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Obviously meant to be a click bait article for all the wrong reasons. So many ways that could have been written and not been so divisive. This is the kind of crap thats wrong with our society right now and why people see enemies instead of friends. I dont care if you are from the black community,to want a “black” QB is narrow minded and pretty much racist. If you cant be happy unless the player selected is black you have a real problem, just as if the same is true about them being white. I know when they were thinking about Teddy B or RG3 or Tyrod, i wasnt sitting there going why cant they pick a white QB instead. I wasnt thinking abotu race at all i was thinking would this guy or that guy help our team the most. Completely stupid article. Lets say they did pick up a black QB and i wrote an article here that said “No White QB for the Phins” that would be seen as racially charge and probably not put up, even though yall are a bunch of pasty cracka-ass-crakas. I dont see any defending that article and the more this isnt called out the more this shit keeps on being acceptable.
You want even more how it was click bait? — article came out today. Think the whole Miami area that cares about football has known for many days what QB we got last Friday.
Wanting a black QB because you are black, and can’t be happy unless he’s black are two different things. You are the one that put that perspective in there with that statement. It wasn’t even part of the conversation. And that IMO, is exactly part of the problem. People extrapolate because they don’t get it. What is so wrong with a minority person wanting to see somebody his color succeed?
Whats wrong with wanting a PERSON to succeed. why is color involved at all.
I dont want a White QB because im white.and i shouldnt. We should not care about color or thats going to be the only thing we care about.
You didn’t answer the question. You deflected.
You don’t have to want a white QB. For most of your life, they’ve all been white. Again, it’s about understanding the perspective, which is hard to do from our position.
It’s akin to complaining about why is there a BET channel. Well for most of our lives most standard programming has been made up of predominately white people. It’s easy for us to relate to that, and hard for us to understand why other people don’t.
Ahhhhhhh Falk it.
I wanted him to get a shot with us, but he must not be what they are looking for. Rudock might be gone too, those are finge guy that the previous regime picked up. I know Grier has spoken pretty well of Rudock though, specifically, maybe he sticks.
Fitzpatrick, Rosen, and Rudock right now.
It is kind of interesting because I thought they would keep four for camp arms. I thought they usually go with 4 in camp and not 3 unless they have something else in mind.
Caldwell was HC of the Lions when they drafted Rudock so there is that connection.
I fundamentally disagree with some of you on some of this stuff, but I respect the quality of the conversation guys. Unfortunately I have to get back to work. Have at it 🙂
Cheers.
There is nothing wrong with your point.
but I’ll give you a question.
If we had drafted Haskins? Or if he was Caucasion. and the Article had read “No White QB for the Fins”
Would it have gotten the same reaction?????
Just askin?????
I understand exactly what Kong is saying a don’t disagree with it in the least. Forget the article for a moment, and the headline of the article. I agree there is nothing wrong wanting a person like yourself , either race, religion or geographic area or whatever, to succeed or be in a position you would like them to be in. There’s nothing wrong wanting a black QB, as long as it’s not like you hate the team for taking whitey instead.
Isn’t that though the tone of the article? Its certainly the tone of the headline, disappointment because the dolphins didn’t take a black QB……
Yes, but I said forget the article. lol
If Rosen was black and Jewish, now that would be sumpin! Talk about a minority
I guess i shoulda known he was Jewish with a name like Rosen, Dr. RosenRosen ahem….. but again, i didnt because he is a QB to me and im not looking to make him more identifiable to me to make me like him.
I wasn’t sure if he was Jewish or not, not everyone that has a name that could be Jewish is. I had to look it it up, and then found out. I actually wanted the black QB though. It’s not going to make me give him any more rope because he is, I just think it’s kinda cool. Being there are so few Jewish professional athletes, I enjoy seeing one succeed.
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May 1, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Yes, but I said forget the article. lol
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Ok well im pissed about the article lol.
isn’t he?
I thought his full name was Joshua Baumgartner Rosen.
Its easy, just switch the word black and white and see what the reaction is. If its called racist if you used the word white or you get the feeling thats insensitive because the word white was used then the narrative is the same is you use the word black. Its simple as that man.
That’s the problem I have with it. Like Omar and #blacklove. Is black love different than any other love?
The more there is a difference, the more that we as a world are different and that bothers me.
I hear that, I brought that up to you. I didn’t know love had a color.
Mike, I thought I posted it originally and then you said “Is black love different than any other love?” Then I said what about a black and a white person in love? It’s so absurd to me.
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Kong, I know you just left the board but I grew up watching “Good Times”, The Jeffersons”, “Sanford and Son” and other shows that had mixed races like “The Mod Squad” etc. That was in the 70’s. In 2019 people still need to identify with people who look like them? I find that sad.
I’ve been sensing a lot more reverting back to a time when race relations were much more hostile than I remember even 10-20 years ago. Some minority groups are creating a narrative as if these are the worst of times and that couldn’t be more asinine. It’s as if they want to remain victims of racism rather than focus on the progress that has been made. I find it fucked up.
Idris Elba needs to be the next James Bond. Not because of any race relation or anything like that but because he can do it. No doubt about it. Being Bond is about a persona, the accent, the actions, etc. It has nothing to do with color.
I’m a fan of his and I agree he’d be excellent in that role.
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May 1, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Mike E. says:
May 1, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Yes, but I said forget the article. lol
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Ok well im pissed about the article lol.
Huh, I wonder why they cut Falk at this point? Like Lou said above, I thought they would have at least 4 camp arms.
Maybe they are going to sign a black one? (Eye roll)
Lou – Stephen King had Idris Elba as the Gunslinger in his Dark Tower movie even though all the illustrations in the books, which were written in the 80’s and 90’s all depicted the Gunslinger as white. Idris was great in that role, and yes, he could definitely do James Bond. As long as they make Felix Leiter white, because he was black in the originals. lol
I’d love to see him as Bond and Ricky Gervais as M. That would be a hoot.
And I just saw Dark Tower about two weeks ago and was very entertained.
usually, going into camp with a 90 man roster, teams like to have 4 qb’s on hand because they need the arms. IMO, it would be unlikely they would cut Falk if they didn’t have someone else in mind that they were going to bring in. maybe this is where they sign Ta’amu.
I’m sure they’ll sign another arm for camp. Not sure why Falk was cut other than they’re not fans of his ability and don’t want to waste time knowing he’s not part of the future here.
Tim – Yeah, that’s definitely possible that you did first, didn’t mean to “snatch” credit from you, I just Roger Clemens misremembered.
I remember posting the link and saying what the hell does this mean? LOL
Tim — no doubt some people in some minority groups or even majority groups (see white nationalism) are making those kind of pitches. And they work with some…. the “need an excuse for how bad my life is” folks.
Can’t even start to explain how much less prejudice there is these days compares to when was growing up. And for whoever wants to say it still exists — well then will say you are right and ask you to find whatever perfect world you haven’t yet.
Anyone who comes to the next Fest is welcome to use an ethnic slur when I am around and see what happens. If we haven’t met yet — I’ll be the guy with a wife of a different race.
Ya see I don’t see white nationalism as a majority mindset. They’re also minority fringe groups that do not resonate with the majority of white folks. I don’t even know anyone who associates with those groups. Or at least I’m not aware that they do. If I did know they were I would not associate with them anymore, family or friends. Because we surely wouldn’t be friends and I’m not a fan of every family member either. I don’t need to be around that hateful nonsense.
Caucasians are the majority in the US at least. But a small subset of them still want to take on the angry victim mentality. When it comes to that stuff — who in their right mind would complain about being white?
I hear ya on that. They’re ignorant.
Oh man, this is not what he wanted out there. Have no idea if it’s true or not but he definitely does not want this out there.
Well there goes the foam finger!
I’ll never be able to put one on again! 😉
Tim – Just a quick note on ping pong, Alonso and McNeil have been unbelievable, more than you could have expected. Can you imagine if they both weren’t here?
LOL i saw ya say something about ping pong after Tim posted that shit about the video with Kraft and i was like OMG this is about to get real on here. First fingers up the butt and now ping pong balls…..jesus.
Well there is a colonpokey that shows up around here. LOL
Yeah it’s awesome. Alonso has natural power and is more of a contact hitter with immense power than a swing for the fences of strike out guy. McNeil is a flat out hitter. Talk about a late bloomer.
LMAO @ D – He usually likes 3 fingers and 4 regulation ping pong balls in his ass during every massage
We’ve got plenty of cap ($37+M) to sign some vets or players with some NFL experience to short term deals to help this mostly young team make the transition under this new staff. Most FAs left or guys who get released who will be available will not be getting big contracts. But players trying to revive or save their careers will see us as a team that gives them a shot to compete.
Yeah, I’m just not expecting them to sign any vets to 1 yr contracts and give them a starting job at the detriment of developing a potential roster guy for the next few years.
It’s going to be a wide open competitive camp. Yeah we know who some of the guys are who will lock down jobs, but nothing is being handed to anyone. And a team like that isn’t tanking. They never were and they still aren’t.
So Kraft likes to be “bowling balled”
Who was first, DeSean Jackson?
All I’ll say from what I saw with our pass pro in recent years was, not sure if it was scheme and/or once again miscommunications, but those jailbreaks through the A and B gaps need to stop. If a talented defender beats his man, tip your hat. When a DT, LB and DB are in the backfield before the QB can set his feet or the RB can get moving a bit, you’re not going to be a good offense.
Even if we don’t have enough talent in the trenches to be a top DL or OL, you have to be able to compete and not be knocked around. I hope that’s the first thing we work on and improve. TEs and RBs are part of blocking, WRs too. Offenses that do those things well always have a chance in a game.
Big time QB play takes you over the top.
Our OLine ranking was second to last to ARI…..there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home. At least Rosen will be used to it…..
it’s one month until the team is going to look at any bigger dollar free agents. If they do. That’s when the FA’s don’t count against the comp picks.
That seems to be the plan. We also didn’t add Fitz and trade for Rosen with the idea of tanking in mind. It’s a rebuild and a new direction. Maybe not good enough to be a playoff team, but definitely gonna compete and try to win. We needed a re-start.
That is being mediocre though. They came out and stated flatly that they don’t want to continue to be mediocre and that being bad for a while is better. that’s where the whole tanking narrative came from
Come on, man! How do you rebuild then? What you have to suck for some luck in the draft? That’s dumb, IMO. You could do that like CLE has since they became a franchise again. They’re just getting better now. You’re mediocre because you’re mediocre, not because that’s the plan? You don’t have to be the worst team there is to get better. At least have the patience for phase one. Geez! LOL
We are not going to FA in a big way….no way.
Not in a big way. We’re definitely signing players with some NFL experience though. Even UDFAs from 1-2 years ago trying to stick with another team. We still need about a dozen players for TC.
Krishna, in today’s NFL you cannot build or maintain a team without signing FA’s. We have cap room available. If someone who the front office covets comes available, you betcha they will sign him.
It wonl’t be a friggen Suh deal, but they will sign big free agents if they are available (again after the comp pick deadline) At least that’s the way I see it.
if Grier thinks it’s good for the team he will do it. I think he will be more conservative than Tannenbum was
though
The Dolphins are still in the FA talent acquisition business. We’re just not big spenders. The draft is over. There are only FA options now.
I just counted 65 on our current roster not counting draftees and UDFAs. So we only need 6-8 players or something like that. But it’s going to change in the next few months too with releases and additions. Then injuries and other factors. Always happens. Try to be the best you can be and go from there.
Tim,
NICE new avi, man! I dig it!
Tim Knight says:
May 1, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Who was first, DeSean Jackson?
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I didn’t realize that DeSean had a minimum of 285 drop-backs, silly. 😆
Oh I missed that. He was sacked the most this season at 60+ so I thought Houston had the worst pass pro. No biggie, we need to get better is all I’m saying. Tired of watching guards stretch their arms out like street signs and allow blitzers to run right past them.
And I think ya meant to say Deshaun Watson, not DeSean Jackson… just sayin’! 😉
Cards looking good right now, going for a 4 game sweep in Washington tomorrow. Our offense is dynamite and our starting pitching is beginning to come around. Blues tied up in Dallas hoping to go up 3-1. It’s been a fun sports month for me.
I’d trade all of it and be bottom of the league crap in every other sport I like just to have a competitive Dolphins team, lol.
I can’t get too high and I can’t get too low. I won’t get too high and I won’t get too low.
Tank talk vs playoff talk… hmmm, much emotion, there is! It will be what it will be, and my expectations are tempered in year 1 of our rebuild. Still, I’d take the over of what Vegas gives us.
I wonder what James Holzhauer thinks of us right now. I’d follow his gut.
I’ve gotta chime in on this whole Miami Times ordeal…
Shame on them for using ‘click-bait’ in the form of preconceived racism, via their headline. This is the bullshit that keeps people divided and why people continue hating one another, due to race.
If I were to make a track called, “Fuck Whitey”… but then I wasn’t really talking about ‘fuck Whitey’ when ya listened to the song, I’d be accused (and probably RIGHTFULLY so!) of inciting a race war… based on the title, alone.
I can’t tolerate racism, PERIOD. White, black, yellow, brown, red, “candy striped” (<– that's Shock G with the "candy striped")… it SUCKS. And that's one of the reasons I no longer follow Omar… he's a racist SOB: I won't be lumped into that deck of "black love", as he foolishly stated.
I think it only divides us if we choose to see it as divisive, some people will always be offended. I’m white and not up in arms about it. The article was literally just a guy saying he wished the Fins had gotten a black QB, but Rosen became available to us. No anger, no panning the decision, just that. I honestly don’t care if a black guy roots for a black guy because he’s black, or wants to see a black guy in a certain position. Most humans do it on some level.
Who do you root for in the Olympics? Do you have geographical preferences in regards to players drafted? Why do I root for players from the Sacramento area first, California second, and then the rest of the country? Why do I want to see a white guy succeed at CB in the NFL?
The question was posed earlier, what if you changed black for white? I don’t care about that either. I don’t see it as some travesty to root for the white guy if you’re white. Who cares? Yes, if you switched the words, many people would be up in arms and railing against it…just like the people that are railing against it now, lol. It’s all hypocritical IMO.
If you have a daughter or a sister or a niece on a softball team, when you watch them play, which team do you root for? Why?
It’s because there are certain things that tie us together. Culture and community are a couple of those things, just like regionalism, nationalism, blood relations, civic pride, etc. It’s not a crime or racist to desire to see your people do well. IMO it’s only a problem if you root for that to the exclusion of all else.
I”m guilty, I keep confusing Baker’s and Foster’s and Watson’s and Jackson’s. I must be racist. LOL
I inherently believe I’m superior based on skin color and race. I make way more money than “them” based on skin color in The USA. NOT!!! LOL
Can we stop the madness once and for all?
I knew I shouldn’t have posted about the Blues. Getting our asses handed to us now.
Everyone is biased, jaded, has favorites, dislikes certain flavors or tastes……..
BUT, there is NO room for HATE!
Rooting for a personal individual relative is a completely different thing than the inference of that headline and the small mindset behind it.
This is my take as well. It’s incredibly small minded and backwards to root for someone based on the color of their skin. Someone from the same community? Sure. Same nation in national events? Sure. A relative or friend? Sure. Some dude you’ve never met and know little about but he’s black? That sounds regressive. Which would be fine if that was the narrative being sold and the type of nation that wanted that. But I thought we were supposed to be a melting pot? A place where merit wins and everyone is provided the same opportunities? A place where race doesn’t matter…except it always matters for people looking for victimhood.
If the black community ever wants to move forward, they need to quit using this garbage and have an honest conversation about their problems. Why is education so low of a priority? Why aren’t SBW shamed for constantly pushing out babies with random dudes? Why aren’t those dudes shamed for not being fathers? Why is thug, gang, basketball, rap, etc culture pushed so hard when real success stories like Ben Carson, deGrasse Tyson, Oprah, Dr Beth Brown, MLK, Julian Abele, Kenneth Frazier, etc, etc, etc. should be focused on more? Why give people like Al Sharpton your support and why not hold your elected black officials to higher standards? Why are there serious discussion about reparations today? This list goes on and on but a welfare entitled, victim seeking, shielded from criticism culture that isn’t really looking out for it’s own people turns into the terrible places littering our cities today. That’s not a skin color issue, it’s a culture issue.
The headline said what the author of the article wanted said…or why go with that headline? I’m glad we didn’t just want a black man as Miami’s coach or we could have gotten a Marvin Lewis for 20 years. Flores is here because he’s considered the best man for the job. It should always be that simple.
I think we have to break this down into separate issues. The headline on its own is wrong. The article itself doesn’t seem wrong to me at all. As far as whether rooting for a relative is the same or different than rooting for a school you went to, a player from an area you live or lived in, I think it’s all the same. You root because there’s a relation to you. Isn’t that what relatives are?
Mike,
This is exactly the point I was making with relationships and our inherent bias. Thank you for not conflating that point with the argument about the headline or article. Two different things.
I believe when any man or woman wakes up in the morning and identifies themselves first by the color of their skin, they plant the seeds of racism. And from their it doesn’t take much watering to make them grow. White man, black man, red man – all start the day as racist.
That’s all I have to say about that.
New Age – I have to disagree with you on the skin color thing. If I turn on an MMA fight or boxing match, I’m not going to root for the white guy because he’s white and facing a black man. On the other hand, I freaking loved Jason Sehorn who played for the NYG because he was a white man playing a position predominantly occupied by black athletes. It wasn’t a white against black thing, it was a novelty watching a white man playing a position that white men rarely succeed at.
That also ties into the black QB thing too, because it wan’t that long ago that black QB’s were the minority at the QB position in the NFL. It’s turned around quite a bit in the last decade, but 20-30 years ago, not too many black QB’s compared to white QB’s.
Yes, I rooted hard for Doug Williams while he was in the NFL. I loved when he stomped that entitled Elway in the ground and won that SB. He was making progress but sometimes people just look for ‘first black QB, etc, etc instead of looking at the person. Doug Williams was a pretty good QB. Warren Moon, much like Marino, should have a ring. One of the best QBs ever…what was his skin color again? Who cares? No one really should.
Sure, but that’s more of an underdog thing isn’t it? It would be no different than rooting for Mike Tyson’s opponents(no matter their color) in his heyday right? Rooting for underdogs is human nature since early in our species history. Nothing wrong with it. We are all people. We are mainly built the same but also very different. You can choose to focus on the inner aspects of what makes you different, unique and wonderful…or you can just have a skin color. It’s that simple to me. When your focus is skin color first, you are already ignoring the good parts. Melanin is just a skin pigment.
I instantly thought of the white CB thing when this whole conversation started, and I completely relate. It’s rooting for the underdog in one sense. Your last sentence sums it up for me as well. I think we have selective bias, and find it completely hypocritical to say it’s ok to root for all these other relations and connections to you (nation, region, blood, civic, religion, military brotherhod, etc), but oh don’t you dare root for someone of your culture or race. That thinking doesn’t make sense to me.
I’ll say again, I’m not defending the headline of that article. My first impression was ‘how absurd’, to the point that I wanted to see what it was actually saying. When I read the article, I didn’t have a problem with the article itself. I don’t know that guy. He may be a known race-baiter like Omar. The conversation turned into is it ok to root for someone because they are the same race or color as you. And on that front, I think I’ve said all I can say. If you think it’s inherently wrong to do that, I disagree, but we can still be friends, lol.
Kong – Who did you root for in King Kong vs Godzilla?
Kong lives matter.
the poor people getting squashed by their rampaging that’s who!
New Age – Sure, it’s definitely more of an underdog thing. Is it possible the author of the black QB feels that way still about black QB’s? We don’t know the answer to that, probably never will, but that’s entirely possible. We choose to see it from a black/white perspective, but maybe it’s not.
Very possible. I love that black QBs are now pretty common and good in the NFL. It breaks stereotypes and that’s one reason I’d love to see more white CBs and more white guys in the NBA. I want talent, skills, training, etc to drive these conversations. I want to see our white QB throwing 100 TDs to his now primarily black WRs because we have the BEST damn team in the NFL.
I’ll cheer for all of them but I’d also love to see the black QB narrative die. Because after Warren Moon, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Doug Williams, and especially Cam Newton, Russel Wilson, and Watson, there is no reason for that kind of talk anymore, is there? What haven’t black QBs accomplished? Are not some of them the best in the NFL today? What is the reasoning for this narrative still? I don’t see a good reason for it except to push a racial narrative which is trashy, low effort, and divisive. I’d tell that writer…be better.
New Age says:
May 2, 2019 at 8:51 am
This is my take as well. It’s incredibly small minded and backwards to root for someone based on the color of their skin. Someone from the same community? Sure. Same nation in national events? Sure. A relative or friend? Sure. Some dude you’ve never met and know little about but he’s black?…
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This is what I’m talking about. You root for some guy you never met in the Olympics because he’s American. I bet Phel roots for some guy he never met because he’s a Marine. I bet everybody on this board has certain schools they root for, and on and on. But don’t root for someone because you feel a connection based on skin color or culture.
I’m not attacking you for your opinion, New Age. I respect your right to it. I just don’t see it that way. I feel there is a hyper-sensitivity about race, and this is part of the way it manifests. We instantly look to say “no, that is wrong” then go about our lives doing the same thing in myriad other ways we deem to be acceptable.
Except the fact that they aren’t the same things.
First this is all opinion and perspective, not fact. Second, do you have something substantive?
Rock – Be thankful you don’t live in Japan. Monsters have been wreaking havoc there for a long time, whether it’s Godzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah, Rodan, Gamera etc . . .
It’s amazing how many giant monsters there are wreaking havoc in such a small country.
Just saw a headline on the local news that read ‘Assange refuses extradition’. I didn’t realize people had a choice when it came to extradition, lol.
LOL – Me either
what the falk!…..miami dumped luke falk….
Brady Quinn says Rosen is better than any QB drafted in 2019, said arizona was a mess, had two ol who were taken off the streets
Brady Quinn just likes white QB’s . . . Doh!
you can bet the house Rosen will start every game this year, even though Flores said everyone has to earn their position Miami needs to know if they have to draft a qb next year…..if not that would put them in a great position with a pick loaded 2020 draft.
i believe Ross started the idea of blowing everything up much prior to when he announced it, he decided that when he stopped signing top shelf long term FAs.
somewhere between march 2017 and march 2018, i think jones was the last long term big ticket.
Kong,
I offered two posts. Just because you want to ignore the content doesn’t make them unsubstantiated.
Your first post conflated two arguments which means you were arguing against something I wasn’t putting forth. Your second post was the equivalent of “nah-uh”.
If your opinion is they aren’t the same things, provide some insight into that reasoning. If you disagree with my premise, provide some substance. Saying “your wrong” isn’t substantive.
Or better yet, let’s just agree to disagree. Over the last day, this conversation has been cordial, but I think lines have been drawn, we’ve wrung most of what we can out of it, and the board as a whole would probably like to move on.
**you’re**
ORob – I would think Rosen failing to outright win the starting job would be enough of a trial for Miami to know they needed to draft another QB high next year.
Agreed
It appears I just need something to argue about during the offseason to keep me busy. Rob, what do you think of Drake? 😉
HA! ROFLMAO!
I do commend all of you for keeping things cool and respectful during this entire discussion, which could be a very sensitive topic. Well done
Fuck off
In regards to the article….I think the author should be more embarrassed about the fact that he mentioned very little in regards to why Haskins would change the culture outside of his skin color.
The tone was set with the headline and follow up by the article which didn’t change the narrative nor the pre-set tone. In fact it seemed like he was insinuating they (the dolphins) didn’t want a black QB by passing on him. Just to point out, we did select a black DT with our top pick, wouldn’t he also represents the community?
As far as Rosen is concerned, Flores is saying the right thing, but I think unless Rosen is really way behind Fitz, Rosen will be starting. As long as he’s worked hard, understands the offense and doesn’t shit the bed in pre-season, Rosen will be starting.
I think this is your Rosen colored glasses speaking.
I think it’s my logical glasses speaking
FEST — Get on the list
Seat draft is next Monday and need to get a sense of how many people might (and only mean might) be there. Don’t have to set the actual number until like 8 weeks before the game, but after Monday can’t get more.
Skins game on Oct 13 is the clear winner (12-6) in the poll and will go with that unless some serious talking about it on board (sorry Krishna).
Started the list based on what what people have said on the board, but could have forgot some. And yeah that means if you said the Skins date was good counted you as in, but can correct.
Who else is thinking Fest? And if you aren’t sure just become a possible.
IN
Hulk
Mike E (+1-3)
Pig
Doggy (+2)
Son (+ ?)
stanger (+2-4)
OD
Toba (+1)
POSSIBLE
ElephantRider
Brian NY (+1?)
Twice
No ROCK?
unfortunately Oct 13th doesn’t work for me buddy.
ocalarob says:
May 2, 2019 at 9:53 am
you can bet the house Rosen will start every game this year……
Reply
Rob, I don’t want to be the house, I need it to keep the rain off my head and for a place to keep my stuff, but I will bet you $10.00.
Whoa! Christian McCaffrey must be working out with DK Metcalf . . .
Look at him last season
Wow, gotta wonder if that extra size makes him more injury prone this year. Adding bulk isn’t always a good thing.
Yeah, definitely gotta keep a close tab on him this season.
Rockphin says:
May 2, 2019 at 11:30 am (Edit)
unfortunately Oct 13th doesn’t work for me buddy.
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MAKE it work!
I’ll just tell my sister that I’m gonna miss her wedding because I have to go to a football game.
that should fly huh?
Your sister will always be your sister. LOL
That sucks Rock — if you mentioned before didn’t catch. First your bro and now your sis screwing up our supply of homeraid.
having only one game at home in October really limited the choices for the group (who understandably have issues going in Sept with kids starting school or Nov with all the holidays, etc coming up.
Yes, that sucked. We’re missing Krishna and yourself so far, not sure who else.
Mike E. says:
May 2, 2019 at 11:33 am
I think it’s my logical glasses speaking
Gee, how can a 14 year vet who has seen 6 or 7 offensive systems every be way ahead of a 2nd year guy who has seen 2 systems? But could be my RDS glasses tinting things too I admit.
I guess my point is I think even it’s close, and Rosen is a little behind, we still might see Rosen, as long as he’s busting his ass. It’s really important we get a long look at Rosen so we know where we’re at with the QB position
Rock – look at Theon and Yara for an example 🙂
I’m glad you didn’t say “look at Cersei and Jaime” cus that relationship is just F’d up. LOL
LOL!
LOL
Only if incest bother you.
LOL @ Stanger. I didn’t bring it up before because it doesn’t have any baring on what you guys should do. Majority rules. My Brother’s birthday has always been Oct 22nd, but I only had plans to celebrate it for his 40th a few years ago. Y’all will have a good time without me. I just know it.
Man shouldnt this be seen as a blessing, no big loud mouth at the fest……JKBB
No reason not to bring such up….. a can make one but not the other is stronger than “can make either one, but prefer…” This year think which date made sense was clear, but some year factors like that might swing it.
After seeing those pictures of McCaffery i smell a PED suspension in his future. That shit is abnormal.
That’s why I brought up DK Metcalf. I’d bet they’re both using
I have no frame of reference for metcalf, only that he seems abnormally ripped. McCaffery’s year 1 to year 2 photo shows an incredible amount of difference, that kind of gain isnt natural at all. I still see that LaRon Landry photo and remember how he blew up, oddly enough when he joined the Panthers. Thats just not a natural growth over that period of time.
Fitz has been a very inconsistent QB over his career. So, unless Rosen comes in and just blows everyone away, let Fitz start and bring in Rosen when Fitz, inevitably, falters. Personally, I gotta find out if Rosen is a player because it impacts what I do next year, so he plays sooner or later. Later is probably better for everyone. Give him time to adjust and learn and make him earn it.
Next year doesnt concern me as much as 2021. I think it happens like you are saying, unless Rosen just come in and grabs the reins. I thinkt he idea will be to treat him like a rookie and let him sit until its time, though i do think there is a timetable as to when it will be time. Before middle of the season Rosen will be our starter or we will already know we are going to be looking for a QB in 2020 or 2021.
LOL @ Rock “I’ll just tell my sister that I’m gonna miss her wedding because I have to go to a football game.”
I’m cracking up here. Thinking about what the look on her face would be as you seriously tell her that. Not that I know what she looks like, just in general what her expression might be. LOL
If you want to make it funnier, think of her looking exactly like him but with long hair and have him tell her on her wedding day with her/him in the dress. Im getting a good laugh right now about picturing it that way.
LOL
Sister: You can’t go to a game another time?
Rock: Nah… I’m meeting people from a Dolphins blog that I BS on about the Dolphins and all kinds of other shit.
Sister: WTF!!! Are you serious, bro?
LMAO!!!!
D,
I don’t get why people are saying 2021. Lawrence is gonna be the #1 IF he continues to ball out and comes out early. And, lots of teams will want him. So, if the team picking first doesn’t take him, which is highly unlikely, it’s gonna cost a king’s random to get him. After Lawrence, I don’t think the pool of QBs is any better in 2021 than it is in 2020. Plus, it’ll probably cost less to move up and get someone in 2020…both because we’ll probably be closer to the #1 pick and it won’t cost as much to get Lawrence. So, 2020 seems like a more realistic option for getting your QB. Lawrence is the gem, but is it really realistic to think we have a shot unless we have the #1 pick?
MikeE mentioned Yara and Theon above.
SPOILER ALERT! TURN AWAY TURN AWAY
Did you guys see when Theon rescued Yara from his uncle? He untied her and she stood up and head butted him in the face?
Yeah, MY sister would have followed that up by slicing me from my bellybutton to my sternum and then pulling out about 8 feet of intestine.
DO NOT mess with Aimee. (I’ve already tried to talk the poor bastard out of marrying her, JK/BB)
I honestly don’t get what you’re saying D, you too Randy
You’re saying treat Rosen like a rookie. Which rookie out of the 4 QB’s taken last year in RD 1 didn’t start right away? NONE. Now Rosen has a year of experience under his belt, so what are we waiting for? That’s what I don’t get. If he and Fitz are equal in preseason then I think it’s obvious you let Rosen play. What’s the reasoning in having Fitz play?
We know Fitz isn’t the answer, he’s a place holder, but the book is still out on Rosen. I agree. If the competition is even remotely close, we should be giving Rosen every chance in the world to show us what he has.
D
Here’s DK Metcalf at Ole MIss, probably early on.
And after the combine
Stranger – I’m in for the fest whenever but won’t need tix. Count it as me plus two
Your response to Mike above nearly made me spit coffee on my ‘puter, lol.
Cool you ticket snob. 🙂 You coming with your bro again?
MikeE,
I’m fine if they let Rosen start out of the gate. That’s why i said “personally” because I really don’t have a problem with whatever the team decides to do. What I do like is giving Rosen some time to adjust to his new team, new division and new scheme and making him earn the starting spot. Fitz has quite a few years playing in our division, so I do think he’ll have an edge in experience. I just like making young guys earn a starting job. As I said, if Rosen comes in and blows everyone away in practice and earns the starting job, then so be it. If he doesn’t, I’d go with the veteran unless it’s clear he simply doesn’t have it anymore. I think teammates will respect Rosen more if he earns it than just handing it to him.
I’m sure they’ll give Rosen every chance to start right away. Everyone is learning the offense for the first time so he’s not at any disadvantage. This is the season to get him going and see if he’s what you thought he was.
Mike E. says:
May 2, 2019 at 12:47 pm
I honestly don’t get what you’re saying D, you too Randy
You’re saying treat Rosen like a rookie. Which rookie out of the 4 QB’s taken last year in RD 1 didn’t start right away? NONE.
This is incorrect. there was ONE………………Rosen himself didn’t start until game 4
Because ARI had Bradford. They weren’t planning on starting him immediately
yeah, I know. I was just being a dick with MikeE correcting his error.
I think he means they all started as rookies. Mayfield, Allen and Jackson didn’t start right away either but they eventually did and now they’re the starters.
I would bet Metcalf doesn’t juice. He doesn’t have the acne…and we’ve seen him shirtless plenty….or the jawline you typically see. He just looks ripped. You can tell, drugs or not, he works out hard and eats correctly.