Player Spotlight : CB Eric Rowe

We have X on one side, that much is a given. The way the Dolphins have chosen to finish the equation is X + R = CB Bliss. It’s actually a big risk. Rowe has been a part time player for the first 4 years of his career. He was drafted in the 2nd RD in 2015 by the Philadelphia Eagles. Rowe played in all 16 games for the Eagles in his rookie year, starting 5. New England was in need of a CB in 2016 and sent a conditional 4th RD pick in 2018, which at best could have turned into a 3rd RD pick if performance measures were met. Why did Philly give up on their guy so quickly, so much so that they had to wait 2 years to get compensation back for him? Very odd.

At the NFL combine, Rowe was a monster. He ran 4.45 at 6’1 205, a 3.97 20 YD shuttle which is super quick for a guy that size, a 6.70 cone drill which shows elite agility and a 39″ vertical which shows elite explosion.. Maybe that’s why Philly took him in the 2nd RD, he Mike Mamula’d them. They pretty much gave up on the guy after one season.

Rowe started only 12 games in 3 seasons for the Patriots and played in 21 games. I’m not saying Eric Rowe can’t be the guy, but so far 2 teams, and make that 2 very solid organizations like the Eagles and Patriots can’t find a way to get this guy to work, it’s a little disconcerting. He has played well in practice and looked good in the preseason so far, but it just shows how poor our quality depth is at CB at the moment after Xavien Howard. Cornell Armstrong, Jalen Davis, Chris Lammons, Cordrea Tankersley and David Rivers. Chris Lammons has flashed some but is anyone here confident that he can handle the pressure of being picked on constantly as teams avoid throwing to the side X is on? That’s a lot to handle.

Some guys develop late, some guys just need the right opportunity to shine. It looks like Rowe is going to be given every opportunity and more to seize the job opposite X so it won’t be for a lack of chances that he doesn’t succeed here. Eric Rowe was a starter at CB in college at Utah. Who was that big Utah CB we had here that everyone loved? Was it Sun Sentinel, er Sean Smith? Smith was a lightning rod. Some hated him, some defended him. My recollection is I was a Sean Smith sympathizer. I thought he was unfairly treated by the haters although he was never a great player for us. He was at the very least a serviceable player for us. Smith started 56 games in 4 seasons for us. Can Rowe give us anything like that? The SS haters will hate this statement, but if Rowe can be as good as Sean Smith, I think we’ve done well.

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1,477 Responses to Player Spotlight : CB Eric Rowe

  1. we should NOT trade for clowney

    the guy is injury prone and we would have to pay his franchise tag, thats way too much money for a guy that will deplete the first aid cabinet

    • but if houston was dumb enough to take Parker and HArris of our hands, 2 first round busts, we should consider that

      those guys were horrible selections when much better players were available

      we value picks and try to stockpile them, but that is only half the battle at best

      we have to select guys with talent that can help the Dolphins win, and develop and retain them
      a guy like Tunsil is an excellent example of what to do with the first round pick
      the emphasis now should be to retain Tunsil, ink him up,

      we cant expose our QB to blindside pressure if some bum is in there and Tunsil isnt

    • steveccnv says:

      Clooney hasn’t signed his franchise tag, which means the new team will sign him to a new contract, unless he signs the franchise first, unlikely. He can also pick his team, which shouldn’t be us, since he likely wants to win now. You never know though, if money is more important.

  2. dloxahatchee says:

    Cory Ganer is getting his start at center for the U tonight
    Best of luck to one of our guys we have known since peewee days
    A stoneman Douglas alum

    • that must be very exciting for him and his family, its quite an accomplishment when a local area high school kid is now going to be a starter for the canes, i hope the kid does very well !

      its also a good story, inspirational, for a high school that could really use some of that

  3. sb7mvp says:

    Eric rowe was targeted in the game as many times as Ferris Bueller missed school.

  4. dloxahatchee says:

    Gaynor
    Damn auto lol

    His older brother Chris played for the horned toads and went UDFA to the rams,

  5. BailBondMike says:

    but I think his conditioning is poor.
    ———————————————-
    Vincent Taylor does look chunky compared to last year. Must have went to the Ryan Fitzpatrick off-season camp. lol

  6. BailBondMike says:

    Damn, don’t have ESPN. Boss made cutbacks and only have antenna. Says we are not paid to watch TV. What kind of shit is that. LOL

  7. steveccnv says:

    Our FO has a clue, if they’re really talking with teams about trading Kiko, Jones and Stills. When not? We aren’t doing anything this year, might as well dangle them and try to get top value. If you don’t get a good offer keep them. WR, Safety and LB have plenty of depth.

  8. steveccnv says:

    😡Brady, if we get 🤡

    🤪Brady after we get 🤡

  9. wyoming85 says:

  10. wyoming85 says:

  11. Tim Knight says:

    Once it was decided that this team was going to start over and build it from the ground up the right way with new people in charge, everything is on the table. The team will compete and play hard this season but long term goals are definitely in play. So as a fan I wouldn’t get too concerned about this or that. The expectations for success isn’t high as we all know.

  12. Tim Knight says:

    David, Clowney’s injuries was mainly a specific one at the start of his NFL career. Since then he’s only missed 4 games the last 3 seasons and has made the pro bowl all 3. He’s only 26 years old and a top shelf edge guy who can play the run and rush the passer. He’ll play 4 more seasons before he’s even 30 so yes he’s worth acquiring for any team. The NFL is about acquiring talent, there is no specific rule how you do that.

  13. steveccnv says:

    This UM game is painful to watch. FN announcers saying, well 3 guys on the OL plus the QB are all starting their 1st games, after 3 pre snap penalties when starting at their 7. TNT man, any idiot can figure out how to remember the snap count.

  14. Clowney can be elite when he is healthy

    He is a once in a generational type talent and can make tackles and sacks for loss constantly.
    He has excellent swim moves, uses hand separation so he doesn’t get stuck to the LT, and has great quickness

  15. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, I think X is the new Revis except he’s on our team. Been saying that for two years now. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      To me Revis is the best CB of the last 20 years. They’d just put him on a guy like Megatron and say don’t expect any help…. have fun. Hope you are right.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Once Howard realized film study was key to becoming a great player and not just his physical skills, his play went to another level. That’s why the team gave him his new deal. They saw it too.

  16. son of a son of a shula says:

    Felipe Tannehill for the Gators

    Dlox, that’s cool about Gaynor best of luck to him

  17. steveccnv says:

    Watching all 3 of our QBs play reminds me of how bad RTs pocket pressence was.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Yeah he was terrible

      Everyone forgets how well our Defense started out last year. They were good and we’re getting a lot of turnovers. But Tannehill could only muster a mere 15 points a game.

  18. Tim Knight says:

    Tannehill is like a country song for some of you, you just can’t move on. LOL

  19. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 24, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    Our FO has a clue, if they’re really talking with teams about trading Kiko, Jones and Stills

    At this point I would consider offers for every / any player on our roster. If the offer were right

  20. Randy says:

    Clowney can also play up and down the defensive front which, I assume, would make him even more valuable in a defense like we are said to be running. Plus, I still don’t trust Harris, so we have zero edge presence. Getting him would be huge. I just find it hard to believe Houston would let him go….or let him go for less than a King’s ransom.

  21. Rockphin says:

    Andrew Luck retiring??

    • wyoming85 says:

  22. D says:

    Did I read that right? Andrew luck retires…..

  23. manitobafinfan says:

    Wow.

  24. son of a son of a shula says:

    The Colts are phucked

  25. wyoming85 says:

  26. D says:

    Trade Fitz to Indy?

  27. son of a son of a shula says:

    Oh wait Indy has Brissett, at least it’s not Painter. Good opportunity for Brissett.

  28. The Flying Pig says:

    Why did Andrew Luck wait until August to announce that?
    That’s kind of a dick move

  29. Randy says:

    D,
    Don’t they still have Brissett? He’s a pretty decent QB. What a gut punch to Indy though.

  30. D says:

    OMG the refs just gave Miami a TD

  31. son of a son of a shula says:

    Toba, no more marinating that Brisket is going in the smoker

  32. son of a son of a shula says:

    Dear football Gods,

    Please don’t ever let Felipe Franks be the Dolphins QB.

    Thanks, son

  33. D says:

    That’s his best throw, the deep seam. Other passed not so much

  34. son of a son of a shula says:

    Lol figures a beautiful deep ball

  35. naplesfan2010 says:

    I feel so bad for Andrew Luck.
    He should sue the GM who never got him any linemen.
    Poor kid literally has been beaten to within an inch of his life.

    I heard where a lot of the DL guys felt bad about sacking him
    because he was such a nice guy about it.

  36. steveccnv says:

    That’s my boy

  37. steveccnv says:

    William’s has Tanny pocket pressence.

  38. The Flying Pig says:

    This is the stupid mistakes bowl

  39. naplesfan2010 says:

    So Houston just probably lost Lamar for the year. They did sign that Duke guy who was unhappy in Cleveland, but what if we sent them Stills, Parker, and RB Mark Walton for Clowney? Maybe throw in Ledbetter as a young replacement DE. That would solve a lot of our problems and be what they need.

    I do NOT want to give them any of our draft picks.

  40. steveccnv says:

    William’s is clueless

  41. steveccnv says:

    Gators with PI on every play

  42. D says:

    Wasn’t pretty but it’s a win

  43. Ken says:

    Well so much for suck for Luck

  44. Ken says:

    So the best QB of the 2013 draft is…..

  45. D says:

    The #Colts have known that QB Andrew Luck was seriously mulling retiring for at least two weeks. He’s married, he plans to travel the world, and once the love for the game waned, it sounds like he wanted to step away. So, he did.

  46. manitobafinfan says:

    So apparently they announced Lucks retirement at the game , and fans booed him off the field. Some even taking off and tossing his jerseys away

  47. Tim Knight says:

    LOL… thanks would have never known.

  48. Ken says:

    So now the Colts get to tank for Tua

  49. CavalierKong says:

    I feel bad for Luck and never wished him ill, but I’m glad Indy got what they deserved with him after the BS they pulled to get him.

    I’m torn on the possibility of trading for Clowney. With the way our secondary and LBs are progressing, a player like Clowney might make this defense a top flight defense THIS year (am I drinking too much koolaid?) But we’re rebuilding, and I like the way we’ve gone about it. Do we want to trade draft pick(s) and sign him to a 20+ mil yr contract? We have been burnt so many times in the recent past with these big contracts.

    If we can get him for a mid rd pick and a player or two like Jones or Alonso, then maybe we get him for a one year franchise tag rental which we can afford to do and doesn’t obligate us beyond this year. We get to see what this defense can look like with him, and possibly work out a contract during the year if it looks like the right fit. Just throwing out ideas.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      all of that is good except for the draft pick
      but i guess we can spare a 4th rounder if that would make the deal work.

      We could keep him a year and let him walk and recoup the pick in compensatory.

  50. naplesfan2010 says:

    Don’t we play Indy this year?
    I think we can beat them with Brissett, although he beat us when he was with NE.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Yeah , he should thank US for the contract Indy gave him , as it was basically based on the one game he played against us before we injured him 🤯

  51. manitobafinfan says:

    Clowney has not signed his franchise tag.. he won’t sign a one year deal to be traded .. he will have to pre negotiate his contract with any team they can make a trade deal with …

    • manitobafinfan says:

      In this scenario you would THINK the trade compensation would be slightly less than as if he were under contract.. not a bunch less, but some I would think

    • CavalierKong says:

      He refused to sign his tender with Houston. It’s possible he could sign it with a team he gets traded to.

      • CavalierKong says:

        But yeah, if is all about the conract for him, then my scenario doesn’t work.

      • CavalierKong says:

        **correction** He actually has to sign the tender before the trade. Obviously he can say he’ll only sign it once he has a long term contract worked out with the team he is traded to.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Basically amounts to the same thing yes

    • Ken says:

      No trades build through the draft. I like Clowney but not worth the investment imo. We are not 1 player away

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Id be fine if it was a player for player ( not Tunsil) and a swapping of our second rd for their third or something along those lines ..

  52. Tim Knight says:

    No team is getting Clowney on the cheap. He wouldn’t be traded if that was the case.

  53. D says:

    Clowney probably is aquired in trade for a lot less than you would expect. He is on a FT which means he has a large guaranteed contract and it’s pretty much a rental unless we pony up a lot to extend him which means you aren’t giving up a lot of draft capital for him. He is a young player at the top of his game and a top talent so it’s going to cost us something but I’m expecting that it might not be number one picks

    • manitobafinfan says:

      And I believe it would position Houston for a 3rd round comp pick already two years down the road .. needless to say more forces factor into that as well

    • D says:

      He won’t be cheap no matter the trade amount, since we will have to likely part with a player in return. I would trade Stills and Alonzo to Washington for Trent Williams and then trade Williams to Houston for clowney

    • Tim Knight says:

      A team has to be all in on him. He fits what we’re doing on defense though as an edge DE/OLB. Once again a proven elite edge guy at 26 years old. They don’t grow on trees. 😉

  54. manitobafinfan says:

    I did watch some of the Texans game and a lot of what they talked about was OL needs based in last year performance . they also did mention SOME of their OL issues were attributed to watson holding ball way too long

  55. manitobafinfan says:

    Based on our defence looks so far we may not even be in serious need .. we look swarming , quick to ball and very improved at tackling and discipline.. time will tell very soon from the sounds of things

  56. manitobafinfan says:

    Interesting: Luck’s dad Oliver is CEO and Commissioner of the XFL..

  57. ocalarob says:

    good morning clowneys

  58. ocalarob says:

    i bet frank reich isnt happy with lucks decision.

  59. i listened to Luck on his exit presser or whatever they called it

    he made a compelling case, of walking away while he still can
    we all love football, but no one can deny its a dangerous sport, that can cripple and maim the players

    Luck has enough money to retire, and he still has some health. he has had some tough hits to the head and other assorted injuries, and he came to a tough decision

    maybe it would be tougher to understand for Colts fans, because the aquired Luck the wrong way and probably want luck until he is no good, then they get to run him off, typical

    a man has to do what is best for his own health, and for his family, and i believe Luck did that

    will he be back, of course!, hes married, lol

    wifey will start saying oh,, the money is going away and i needed a few more coach purses and was eyeing a new 24 bedroom 16 bath house down the block

    he will think for a brief second of employment on the outside, then remember he is only 30, and nobody in the working world will pay what Indy does

  60. ocalarob says:

    i think sam equavion has beat out kiko alonso, not sure he’ll be with the team come sept 8th

  61. sb7mvp says:

    Real fans would support his decision. Decent people want the best for others and they know theres more important things than football or championships.

  62. BailBondMike says:

    Cav, Cubs are shitting the bed Fred like I thought they would this time of year. Cards are hot like they always are this time of year. Cubs got the Mets and Cards-Brewers this week. Will be interesting.

  63. BailBondMike says:

    Eagles trade Nate Sudfeld to Colts. Sudfeld returns home to Indiana. Palyed at IU.

  64. BailBondMike says:

    Bleacher Report breakout performers:
    Based on the buzz out of training camp and his performances during the preseason, linebacker Sam Eguavoen could push a veteran out of a roster spot. According Barry Jackson of Miami Herald, the 2015 undrafted linebacker out of Texas Tech, who spent three seasons with the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the Canadian Football League, could significantly impact the veterans at the position.

    “Sam Eguavoen’s emergence and Jerome Baker’s evolution—and the fact Miami is expected to play three linebackers less than half the time—have left Kiko Alonso and Raekwon McMillan in a tenuous position,” Jackson wrote. “McMillan obviously is not going to be released, but his playing time likely will be impacted.”

    Eguavoen has flashed all over the field, making several stops in each of three preseason outings. He also forced a fumble on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ second offensive drive last weekend. He’s not at his best in coverage, but he will help patch up the Dolphins run defense, which ranked 31st last year.

    At 6’0″, 236 pounds, Eguavoen can move in space—field awareness will play a part in his development as a pass defender on 3rd-and-long situations. He got a late start to his NFL career, but the 26-year-old has the tools to become a mainstay in the middle of the Dolphins defense.

    2019 Projection: 56 solo tackles, 3 PD, 2 FF

  65. steveccnv says:

    It’s always a good thing when you can get better and cheaper at a position. Letting Kiko go should be a no brainer, as long as there’s a savings vs replacement, and I think there is.

    Forget about cap hit look at straight savings of what Kiko costs vs the last LB we keep and not Sam.

  66. BailBondMike says:

    Teams are starting to trade players before cutting rosters. Wonder if we will be in the mix? Parker, Alonso, Jones, Stills maybe. I don’t see Houston trading for a RB as there be numerous available after cuts. Going to be a crazy interesting week.

  67. wyoming85 says:

  68. The Flying Pig says:

    Russell Wilson was 2013 Ken

    I guess now he gets the crown of the best in 2013

    RG3 is probably the worst

    I guess tannehill has a shot at being the best QB of 2013
    It’s only a matter of time before Mariotta is hurt…lol

    Mariotta/Winston was all a pretty bad draft

  69. wyoming85 says:

  70. The Flying Pig says:

    Suck bc of Luck starts today
    Fully expect the Colts to intentionally have the worst record in the nfl now

  71. Sports Illustrated

    @SInow
    Andrew Luck was booed by Colts fans after his retirement news broke, and he heard them loud and clear.

    “Yeah, it hurt. I’ll be honest, it hurt”

    (via @CBSSportsHQ)
    Embedded video

    858
    11:19 PM – Aug 24, 2019

  72. The Flying Pig says:

  73. The Flying Pig says:

  74. Listen to the boos, unbelievable. I’m now thinking when Luck returns next year, it WONT be with Indy.
    And agree with piggy, the colts are the worst Or one of the worst teams now

    Brisket, didnYou see this? you are next

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andrew-luck-retires-appears-to-be-savagely-booed-by-colts-fans-in-indy-after-stunning-news-breaks-during-game/

    • steveccnv says:

      He doesn’t have a choice, unless he plays that force out game, but I don’t see him being that type of asshole…

  75. Colts fans will BBQ brisket, smoke em and toss him in the garbage when he gets overcooked

  76. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s the key to the D, if he plays pretty good, then it opens up everything we can do. You wanna blitz both outside receivers are covered that leaves the middle and check downs. Would be nice too for cover zero when we really need a stop.

  77. steveccnv says:

    Don’t burn your bridges, until you’re positive you don’t ever want a return.

  78. steveccnv says:

    Phinphinatic says we should trade Drake to Houston in a package deal to get Clowney. I see the logic, if we aren’t going to rs-sign him. That would leave Ballage, Walton, Gaskins and Laird, who the team likes.

    I’d really like to see Drake used in his proper role as a 3rd down back, he may be the best pass catching RB in the league. At least keep him one more year.

  79. Colts have not only burned the bridge, they dried up the river and Luck will never return to Indy

    On colts .com, many fans are claiming Luck got a big contract in 2016, then barely Played, then retires and leaves the team hanging, etc

    They are accusing him of getting the money and do nothing afterwards, a sandbagger.

    Some other negative shit, but all in all, he needs to go somewhere else if he returns.
    Which of course begs the next what if question, would the Dolphins be interested in Luck next year if he were available?

  80. Ken says:

    Okay Wilson is definitely the best QB of 2013 but RT has taken over the #2 spot

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Mediocre is still mediocre whether it’s #2 or #3 or #4

      We should all be estatic that the tannehill era is over in Miami

      • Ken says:

        I will be ecstatic when we finally have someone better. Right now I am not convinced we do although Rosen may have the potential to be better. Fitzpatrick makes me want to puke

      • The Flying Pig says:

        There’s only one way to improve on Tannehill – try somenone else

  81. wyoming85 says:

  82. wyoming85 says:

  83. vegas is scrambling to play catchup to Lucks retirement,,,

    The Circa Sportsbook at the Golden Gate in Las Vegas immediately pulled the Indianapolis/Los Angeles Chargers Week 1 game that had the Charges favored by four. Circa later reopened that game to bettors at Los Angeles -6 and as of late Saturday night, had Los Angles at -7 with an over/under of 45.5. Circa listed the money line for the favorite in that game at -320, meaning a bettor need to lay $320 on the Chargers to win $100.

  84. wyoming85 says:

  85. wyoming85 says:

  86. Steve, We were right, it’s lucks wife
    Breaking news today, she’s pregnant with their first child!
    https://heavy.com/sports/2019/08/andrew-luck-wife-nicole-pechanec-married/

    • manitobafinfan says:

      They mentioned that last night, also that he just got married this off season … so yeah same thoughts went through my mind .. she’s driving the bus

  87. Mike E. says:

    My nephew texted me last night that Luck retired. That’s some shit right there. I get it, the guy can’t seem to get healthy, and he would like to have some quality of life after football. Since they make more in a day than we make in a lifetime, it’s easy to make that call. He can always change his mind if he gets healthy and wants to play again.

  88. manitobafinfan says:

    Steve: Texans broadcast team described Duke Johnson the same way Orob describes Drake , and that they need an inside the tackles bruiser to augment what Johnson does … not I ever considered Miller a Bruiser.. I more remember him as a pauser , dancer behind the line looking for holes

  89. wyoming85 says:

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s a shame, I like Kiko. He’s been a good player for us. Doesn’t really make sense regarding cap savings either. At some point we’ll probably have an injury and wish we had him.

      • wyoming85 says:

        He’s not cut!
        Just another reporter being a douche bag! 😉

      • stangerx says:

        Drake is on that same list of 5 too. $2 mil in cap savings on a Kiko cut. Only reason to cut is cause want to work with the LBs for the future, but that is a reason.

  90. wyoming85 says:

  91. stangerx says:

    This was supposed to be the year the Colts were ready to break out. I smell a QB trade coming, but think they will be looking for someone better than Fitz. That’s hard to get though.

    • steveccnv says:

      Everyone talks about Fitz always being the QB he was last year, either hot or cold, but how soon they forget how good he was that first year with the jets.

  92. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – Sometimes where there’s smoke there’s fire. I hope it is just reporter douchebaggery. I don’t think Kiko should be cut. He played great for us last season, he’s a high motor guy that always gives his all. If they decide not re-sign him that’s a different story, but he should play out his contract or they should trade him.

  93. wyoming85 says:

    i wonder if the colts would trade Quenton Nelson for Rosen?

  94. wyoming85 says:

    It’s official!

  95. wyoming85 says:

  96. wyoming85 says:

    Steve they don’t even have numbers to start with!

    It’s just speculating like we do!

    • steveccnv says:

      The FO and coaches tell these reporters things, such as teams are asking about trading for Kiko, Jones…these same reporters watch practice, and the games and see what guys are standing out, E, then speculate based on what they’ve seen and heard.

  97. wyoming85 says:

  98. wyoming85 says:

    • stangerx says:

      “They said I won’t be traded this year” is the paste already had after the cut. Does sound like the right trade offers just weren’t there. He’s cuttable next year though, which feel cruel saying since like the player.

  99. BailBondMike says:

    That was interesting. Philly traded up with us to draft Rowe in the 2nd round giving us their 4th round pick which we used to draft Ballage and now we have Rowe also.

  100. Ken says:

    My completely unfounded trade rumor that would make sense: Eli to Indy

  101. naplesfan2010 says:

    So Luck pulls a Larry Csonka and goes to play in the XFL.

    • Ken says:

      Can’t he is still under contract with the Colts

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        XFL is not NFL,
        so that contract thing does not apply, right?
        I mean he could go work for Wal Mart ,right?

      • Ken says:

        No the Colts still have the contractual rights to him regardless of what league he is in. If he plays football in the CFL or XFL they would have to come to terms with the Colts. When Csonka, Kiick and Warfield went to the WFL they were not under contract

      • Ken says:

        He can go work for Walmart because he is not playing football

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It really depends on the contract language

        I don’t think, unless xfl and nfl have a deal, the contract with the colts necessarily prevents him from playing in the xfl or another league – but that’s not a simple answer

        I managed to find the nfl contract online
        https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1573683/000104746913009713/a2216998zex-10_3.htm

        I think this is just the nfl standard contract and the teams have other contracts

        And yeah it prevents him from playing football anywhere else

        If luck did that the colts may have remedies for breach of contract, but preventing him from entering into another contract in another league is probably not one of them

        I’m pretty sure Luck can say, sue me Colts and just play in the xfl in spite of the breach

        If that happens I can imagine the colts and the nfl going to court to seek injunctive relief and stop it from happening (claiming he agreed not to) – I’m just not sure that’s enforceable

        I doubt that plays out though

      • Ken says:

        PIggy:
        The Colts can move for injunctive relief to enforce the non compete clause which would prevent Luck from playing for another team unless the Colts agreed to some form of compensation from that team. This is exactly how it works in MLB when they sign from the Japanese league

    • The Flying Pig says:

      But I don’t think the order of an injunctive relief in a certainty to occur

      Noncompete clauses aren’t exactly foolproof

      • Ken says:

        In sports contracts they are pretty bulletproof. As I said in MLB specifically to negotiate with a Japanese player you have to pay the Japanese team for the rights to negotiate and potentially sign the player. It would be no different in football

  102. Ken says:

    Ultimately I think the Colts do nothing but tank for Tua

  103. naplesfan2010 says:

    Indy does not need a starting QB. Brissett will do just fine.
    Jnless he doesn’t.
    in which case they have a high draft pick and get a shiny new rookie.
    “Fuck it for Frommmmmm”
    is the Colts new mantra.

  104. stangerx says:

    Vegas had the Colts over/under at 9.5…… tied for 5th in the NFL.

    • ocalarob says:

      let the dust settle and take the over, brissett and reich won’t go down easy

      • stangerx says:

        That was the number from before. Will be interested in what the new one is. How much was Luck worth?

      • ocalarob says:

        I understand that and everyone probably scrambled to take the under, now vegas will have to drop it real low to offset the bets, all they want is to have as much winners as losers and take the vig.

      • stangerx says:

        Guess it would depend on how quick they reacted. If took the bet off the board soon as the news hit should be left with even amounts at the first number and now just have to re-set…. and do it again with a new number that evens out.

  105. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think I owe Ken $250 for the consultation.

  106. manitobafinfan says:

    Doug Martin just became available ( Texans ) ??

  107. naplesfan2010 says:

    I’m beginning to think Flores is dekin everybody about Rosen
    and he has been planning to start him all along.
    Then right after i type that I think
    No, Rosen will not play until he’s “ready.”

    Then I think there is a “Grand Plan,” like “Play Rosen after the bye, no matter what.”
    Or “Play Fitz until the magic turns tragic. then go to Rosen.”

    What would be cool is if they do the same pattern in the Regular season they have done in the preseason, which is to start Fitz so we don’t give the game away early, then bring in Rosen all fresh and having watched on the sideline and BOOM we win in the 4th.

    But that only works in college, i guess.

  108. naplesfan2010 says:

    Ken
    *Naple$ rate$ i.e. the city, not me.

  109. CavalierKong says:

    BBM,
    I think it’s gong to be a good fight to the finish. The Cards and Cubs have both been streaky this year. It seems to me like all season we win 5 of 6, then lose 4 of 5. I think we’ll swap the division lead a few more times before it’s all said and done. Heck, the Brewers have been hanging around all season too, and may still have something to say.

  110. wyoming85 says:

  111. Tim Knight says:

    FYI Luck and the rest were not the 2013 QB class it was the 2012 class.

  112. D says:

    Here is my take on Luck. He heas a right to his life and the direction he takes it and he shouldn’t be booed or disrespected for it. Still fandom is akin to the days when people use to go to the arenas for gladiator events. There is little care for the participants and humanity has shown time and again to be selfish, self-gratifying and callous when it comes to it’s heros. The word hero might as well be removed and replaced with the real world we already have for it. Slavery.

    • D says:

      I don’t blame the fans for acting like that because that’s the people that most of society is. It’s ugly, but that’s reality.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        .. I originally brought up the XFL because Jerry Jones in his reaction to Luck retiring said “ I hope he goes on to be POTUS.. I recalled his dad Oliver had been in politics and googled to see what became of him , and was surprised to see he was CEO/Commissioner of XFL …The XFL model is , from what I hear, set up as all players are hired by the League, and not to a very high salary which is same for either everyone or same for all positions.. once the league has hired the players , they will have a draft to disperse players to teams.. and they don’t play until next year.. Andrew will not get rich playing there, but with his dad running the show , if he finds he misses playing or being involved, it could be a future option for him … if the league lasts that long

  113. manitobafinfan says:

    Not meant as a reply there I just woke up from a nap 🙃

  114. mf13ss says:

  115. son of a son of a shula says:

    D, I don’t get how you invoke the word slavery to guys who of their own free will play a sport and become multi millionaires. Fans are pissed off because they lost their starting QB 2 weeks before the season is about to start.

    • steveccnv says:

      Go read it again, he’s not talking about for the players, but through the eyes of the fans. It’s how the fans portray the players. Its skin to he was my hero while he was a Colt and as soon as he’s gone he’s a bum.

  116. son of a son of a shula says:

    I’m not a lawyer but I play one in Piggi’s nightmares and there is no way Luck can just go and play in the XFL without the Colts say so ie; he gets out of his contract with the team.

  117. Ken says:

    I get why Luck quit and I get why fans are pissed. No big surprise or big deal imo

  118. mf13ss says:

    manitobafinfan says:
    August 25, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    M , he has not been dressed for any PS games has he ?
    ————–
    I don’t believe so, but I don’t know for sure.

  119. mf13ss says:

  120. manitobafinfan says:

    Thank you.. good to see ya popping in regularly again 👍👍

  121. steveccnv says:

    Cutting TJ just shows how idiotic it was for him to even be on the roster. I mean, if you’re going to cut someone to save $1M

  122. Tim Knight says:

    Wow McDonald was released. He’s been hurt a lot this TC and PS so maybe that played a role in it but maybe they don’t feel he’s a fit either.

  123. steveccnv says:

    Against the cap, actually less than $1M, then it’s obvious he’s playing out of position and not getting it done. Gase…

  124. son of a son of a shula says:

    We loved Ajayi when he was here scoring touchdowns and getting 200 yard games and as soon as he got traded we, as a fan base, went into defense mode about him. Oh he was a malcontent, oh he didn’t want to do what he was supposed to, yards yada. That being the case I never considered him an indentured servant to us. He was just another ex-Fin like the many before and after him.

  125. steveccnv says:

    First I tried adding to the first post and it posted, then this was supposed to be a continuation of my last post.

  126. steveccnv says:

    Bobby McCain playing safety should’ve been the first clue one of our safeties were leaving.

    Changing OL coaches, giving E some 1st team reps…putting players in position to succeed.

    The more moves that are made, the more credibility Flores will get.

  127. steveccnv says:

    I don’t know anything about Josh Jones, but if he’s a FS he may be a good get.

  128. naplesfan2010 says:

    TJ was always a bad hire, always redundant to Reshad, always inferior to Reshad.
    I like the guy, but he needs to be on a team that needs an in the box SS.
    We barely need one of those guys, not 2. (starters, earning starter money)
    It’s ok to have a back-up, but Lammons plays ST, soooo …

  129. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mariotta sacked for a safety.
    Promote Tannehill.

  130. Tim Knight says:

    I think we’ll see some more releases that might surprise a bit. I’m not shocked we released TJ but a little surprised.

  131. manitobafinfan says:

    This camera angle is strange … not sure I like it

  132. mf13ss says:

    Tannehill is in the game.

  133. manitobafinfan says:

    Holy Hell he was sacked !!!! 🤯

  134. steveccnv says:

    Tanny still no pocket presence.

  135. manitobafinfan says:

    That was an amazing punt

  136. mf13ss says:

    Mason Rudolph is in the game.

  137. mf13ss says:

    RUDOLPH to WASHINGTON!!! TD!!!

  138. manitobafinfan says:

    Nice throw !!

  139. manitobafinfan says:

    He always could throw on the rollout well

  140. mf13ss says:

    FWIW (some will appreciate, some will not), I had Mason Rudolph rated higher than Josh Rosen heading into the 2018 Draft. I still can’t believe Rudolph lasted until the 3rd round.

  141. manitobafinfan says:

    Holy Hell he threw to a TE 🤯

  142. naplesfan2010 says:

    Boy Mayfield looked awful the other night.

  143. naplesfan2010 says:

    Tannehill throws a 12-yd 1st down and his OL gets a hands to the face so instead, it’s 3rd and 17.
    Just like in Miami.

  144. mf13ss says:

    Miscommunication INT

  145. manitobafinfan says:

    Lol. Oy vey

  146. The Flying Pig says:

  147. naplesfan2010 says:

    So on 3rd and 12, Tannehill throws for 10 and the WR fumbles instead of getting the 1st.
    Punt.
    Just like in Miami.

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    I always hate the dead money

  149. The Flying Pig says:

    • steveccnv says:

      Sometimes you have to cut loose, you cant worry about how much dead cap money, if it benefits you. If it makes sense now just do it.

  150. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mason Rudolph regressing to the mean.

  151. manitobafinfan says:

    Texans signed Ajayi….

  152. naplesfan2010 says:

    Titans RBs are 5 att for 5 yards
    oops, 6 for 10.

  153. manitobafinfan says:

    Naples: I also don’t think his shotgunning a beer at the Baseball game was smiled upon by management either

  154. steveccnv says:

    I hate dead money and trading away draft picks, but sometimes it makes sense. As for the TJ cutting I dont see it yet, unless it’s to get Bobby on the field and give TJ a chance to play else where. Its costing us money to cut him, so why not just use him for depth.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Maybe they want the roster spot for a Young un .. I dunno but this staff seems to have a plan and focus , which is nice to see if not unusual

  155. steveccnv says:

    Statue

  156. manitobafinfan says:

    Just crushed …..

  157. naplesfan2010 says:

    Ajayi to TExas is a great get for them and a great landing spot for Jay.
    I was always a big fan of Ajayi.

  158. naplesfan2010 says:

    annnnnnd Tannehill takes a drive-killing sack in the 2 minute drill.
    There is that stereotype again. C’mon, man.

  159. steveccnv says:

    Its costing $1M to cut TJ, so why not just keep him and save the $500K his replacements counts against the cap and cut him next year?

  160. naplesfan2010 says:

    There’s a place here called the Children’s Museum of Naples.
    Officially, they call it
    CMON
    I kid you not.
    google it
    Some rich Golisano (sp) family funded it.

  161. manitobafinfan says:

    Anyone else not comfortable with Preston Williams on punt/ kick returns ?

    He does not appear fast enough to avoid tacklers, or injuries for that matter .. hope he gets back to his earlier Balling out, and makes the team straight up as a WR …

    • mf13ss says:

      There aren’t too many players who have the size of Preston to be legit PR/KRs. They generally lack the quick twitch and swiftness to be great at such a role. The only exception that comes to my mind? Cordarrelle Patterson.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think he’s Ok, but not if he’s going to be a big O contributor.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        HE looks uncomfortable and slow… I fear he will get injured as a result of those factors…

  162. steveccnv says:

    Luck will never come back, I saw the look on his wife’s face that David posted yesterday😠

    • manitobafinfan says:

      My wife came up with an interesting thought.. perhaps either it comes out he has a condition that inhibits recovery ALS, fybromialga.. drs advise best help to heal is under banned substances .. take 2 years off use the “illegal” drugs to get better , have time to flush from system without the risk of being suspended..

  163. mf13ss says:

    Logan Woodside has entered the game.

  164. naplesfan2010 says:

    Notice they signed TJ xxxing or something to run back kicks after watching Preston get almost killed back there, because he is so slow and such a juicy target.

    It’s Grant’s job anyway and he is perfect for it, tiny and blazing fast.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Oh okay so not just me then 👍👍 , hope they give up on that idea , and again hopefully he makes team based on WR skills IE reverts to looking like he did week one not week 2?

  165. naplesfan2010 says:

    Luck is tired of being the punching bag behind that crap OL.
    He has taken some serious injuries with internal bleeding and such.
    And then stupid Frank Reich goes and fires the one OL coach who finally got Luck some protection schemes that work
    (plus they drafted one good guy).

  166. naplesfan2010 says:

    Tannehill finished 6/9 for 62. Not too bad.
    But he took 14 sacks.
    Mariota was 0/3 for 0 yds and a safety.

  167. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jeez I can’t believe it’s bedtime.
    I need to get into football shape…
    gotta get my game face on so i can stay up late
    for Sunday night football
    and Monday night football
    and Thursday night football
    and not get fired for nodding out on the jobsite.

  168. naplesfan2010 says:

    Logan gives up a sack/fumble to Alualu.
    Those Samoans ought to be banned.

  169. mf13ss says:

    Yikes!

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Cordarrelle is a freak of nature.
      If he had a measurable IQ, he would be in the HoF.

      • mf13ss says:

        Many NFL players didn’t have a measurable IQ, yet still made the HOF. This is fact.

        Cordarrelle is a 2x All-Pro on STs. Dude is really nice on KRs. Wish he was cerebral enough to run a full route tree, but it seems he’s not going to be able to do as much.

  170. naplesfan2010 says:

    Joshua Dobbs is not a legit NFL QB.
    Rudock is better than almost any 3rd QB out there except maybe Trace McSorley and a couple others.
    btw I think Jarrett Stidham is the real deal. He might be the heir in NE.

  171. naplesfan2010 says:

    Vrabel is such a wuss.

    4th and 1 on the 4 in the preseason and down by 2 TDs and he kicks a FG.

  172. manitobafinfan says:

    Okay I see the Dobbs/James thing now

  173. mf13ss says:

    WOW, Herron!!!

  174. naplesfan2010 says:

    INT Dobbs.
    Called it.

  175. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      Here’s why stats can be so misleading: Baker six quarterback pressures (that’s great), and has allowed just 12 yards receiving on 35 (very impressive) coverage snaps. Yet the QB rating was 64.6. Seems to me that you should get more credit when the ball isn’t thrown your way, because you may actually be covering someone.

      Defensive stats for QB rating is ass backwards. They should figure in how many times you’re in coverage, then get additional points for incomplete when thrown to your man and ints, but points removed for catches and yards (with short/negative receptions a plus and also a plus for short receptions on 3rd down not resulting in 1st downs).

  176. wyoming85 says:

  177. D says:

    Dobbs and James and Shazier all have the same condition that makes them lose all their hair, eyebrows included. It’s called alopecia I believe

  178. ole mcdonald had a team, ei ei o
    and on his team they had better talent ei ei o
    with a Minkah here and a Reshad Jones there, here a corner, there a safety, everywhere a nickel nickel
    now old mcdonalds needs a job, ei ei GO

  179. steveccnv says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    August 25, 2019 at 10:22 pm
    You’re in desert time out there, Bub.
    It’s the real world here in the 13 colonies.
    —–
    Lol at real world – 13 colonies. In what real world is Florida a part of the 13 colonies🤔

    • steveccnv says:

      CMON Naples😉

    • LMAO
      maybe this will help shed some light

      Spain’s hold on Florida was tenuous in the years after American independence, and numerous boundary disputes developed with the United States. In 1819, after years of negotiations, Secretary of State John Quincy Adams achieved a diplomatic coup with the signing of the Florida Purchase Treaty, which officially put Florida into U.S. hands at no cost beyond the U.S. assumption of some $5 million of claims by U.S. citizens against Spain.

  180. steveccnv says:

    Lammons sure got the job done on STs, but I haven’t paid much attention to him in coverage, anyone, anyone…

    • BailBondMike says:

      Steve, I have seen him with a couple PD’s and always seems to be on his man. He is versatile also. Can play safety as well. Plus, he is a hitter as we have seen on ST’s and in run support.

      • steveccnv says:

        Nice find, making the TJ cut more and more worthy.

        This place may not have all the answers, but it sure has a lot of them.

  181. steveccnv says:

    With TJ now gone it makes sense why Minkah has played some SS, and why guys like Omar should just STFU sometimes.

  182. steveccnv says:

    Who do we have as the first team dime back?

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I’d say Minkah at nick
      Jones and McCain at Safety
      X and ex patriot at Corner
      So any of Lammons, Armstrong or whoever else survives the cuts as the 6th DB

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s likely 20 sub packages we’ll be using, so each guy will have a role somewhere at sometime.

  183. steveccnv says:

    If it works out well with McCain at FS, we surely needed more of a coverage guy back there, then Flores really does know what he’s doing.

    I feel like the move was predicated on Flores wanting the larger Minkah closer to the LOS.

    If it doesn’t work we can always switch them back and may from time to time based on matchups.

    • D says:

      I think TJ didn’t really fit what they wanted to do. We all thought he would fit the multiples thing because we see him as a hybrid LB/S but it must be that he hasn’t really shown he could be that guy, or that they would rather have a hawk in the secondary than a mountain ram. They seem to prioritize pass defending skills, and truthfully i would tend to agree. I dont want the guy at the back half of my defense being the guy im prioritizing to make the tackles. Id hope my LB’s would be the primary ones in that group, preferably DT’s and DE’s but there are reasons their tackle number are generally low.

  184. D says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    August 25, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    D, I don’t get how you invoke the word slavery to guys who of their own free will play a sport and become multi millionaires. Fans are pissed off because they lost their starting QB 2 weeks before the season is about to start.
    Reply

    steveccnv says:
    August 25, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    Go read it again, he’s not talking about for the players, but through the eyes of the fans. It’s how the fans portray the players. Its skin to he was my hero while he was a Colt and as soon as he’s gone he’s a bum.
    ——————————————————–
    Thanks for the assist Steve, and yeah you are spot on. its more how its so easy to dispose and move on and forget these guys are human. It is a business and sometimes they do get treated poorly being cut or whatnot, but i just think we as fan forget sometimes these are human beings too. That wasnt an easy decision for Luck, so he has the weight of his decision already laid heavy on him and then fans just throw more bricks on the load as they walk him to the door.

  185. steveccnv says:

    I’m guessing Lammons’ versatility, Flores special, has earned him a spot on 53.

    Jones SS and some LB, McCain FS aand CB, Lammons S and CB, X is X, DTs seem to be interchangeable all over the line, Harris DE and LB, Baker all over the field, E coverage, blitz, run stuff,

    Minkah defense

    Flores has already put his stamp on this D.

  186. BailBondMike says:

    I really like Wingfield’s breakdown on plays. Could you imagine if Omar tried to do that for us on Rosen’s scramble and long completion to Ford.

    “Notice how New Bea dropped back to far allowing pressure to get to him. Would have been a sack but the defensive player had an off night. If Ford hadn’t made a huge play by continuing his route, New Bae would have taken a sack or thew an INT. LOL

  187. steveccnv says:

    Every week in preseason different guys have flashed that weren’t on the team last year. Does anyone remember this many new guys flashing in preseason like this before? Is it because we have so many new guys or because Flores knows how to use players to their strengths?

    Who will be the guy this week?

  188. some crazy acronyms

    CMON = Colombia Mountain open network
    PISS Phoenix Islands Settlement scheme
    SCAT sarasota county area transit, and also the space coast area transit
    TIT tokyo Institute of technology
    TATA tenth anniversary trans am
    FUC First Union Center
    SEX software exchange
    VOMIT Voice Over Misconfigured Internet Telephones
    PEDS performance edge dance center
    NUDE National Union of Domestic Employees
    ASS After School Snack
    HOE Hands-On Experience
    ESCORT Eastern Stream Center on Resources and Training
    ANAL Ammonium Nitrate and Aluminum
    FREAK Free Evolutionary Algorithm Kit
    PERV Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus
    LICK Life Improvement for Cats and Kittens

  189. players arent as much slaves as we are,

    the matrix and government enslaves us all with oppressive taxation without representation,.and corporations expect us to work for almost nothing, while CEO’s take the majority of the money

    but players are bought and sold like slaves, and often not respected or treated as equal humans

    what if Murray says i would rather play for Atlanta, can he just go there?,
    no need to answer that one,
    He HAS to go to Arizona to receive his punishment for being the best college player

  190. i bought a coffee this morning and the waitress was complaining her manager was cheating her on her hours

    waitresses make less than minimum wage i n FL, and yet the companies cant even pay that?

    the employer must pay tipped employees a direct wage that equals the Florida minimum wage minus the 2003 tip credit. Accordingly, the minimum wage for tipped employees in Florida will increase to $5.44 per hour in January 2019

    if a company has to cheat hours of someone making $5.44 an hour, WTF

    the blue haired manager came over and asked how i was doing, lol big mistake

    i said Good morning Cruella Deville, , i am fine because i DONT work for You

  191. stangerx says:

    TJ cut shocked me, especially given the contract. And the guy could close and hit. Perfect for a zone scheme.

    Same time remember how Jones sulked cause wasn’t playing every snap? He should be close to that now.

    • the Fins have cheaper options than Mcdonald, so of course they are going cheap

      cheaper options are always preferred over pricey veterans in Miami, we have seen dozens of veterans released over the years because we were too cheap to pay them

      here come the salary cap excuses, but when is the last time Miami was in cap trouble?

      and why do our players leave for more money, and other teams have more money than we do?

      • stangerx says:

        David — yes here come the salary cap excuses. They paid a million in cap to have him not play for us this season.

        And Ross is not cheap. You can bash him in any way you want but not for that. Spends every single cent allowed on the roster. Many owners don’t do that.

      • are we in salary cap trouble this year?

      • steveccnv says:

        This is a very ignorant post. We were in cap hell to start the league year.

        It’s not about being cheap, it’s about managing the cap. What do you think they’re talking about when they say a team has a big advantage when their QB is on his rookie contract?

        If we were cheap we wouldn’t carry over cap from year to year, the team has spent as much as they were allowed and even more if you count the stadium renovations.

        Please describe how the team is being cheap?

  192. actually Miami ISNT in cap trouble, we have 22 million available

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/

    so cutting Mcdonald has NOTHING to do with getting us out of trouble, we arent there

    but everything to do with being cheap

  193. steve, no need to be ignorant on the cap space, google it

    • steveccnv says:

      That has nothing to do with it. TJ was cut, because he didnt fit with what Flores was trying to do and didn’t want to hold a roster spot for him at the expense of another player that fits.

      As for the cap space, we actually took a hit on the cap to get rid of him.

      • stangerx says:

        I’d actually like to think they cut him cause there was no way he’d ever fit in the new scheme and were willing to do him a favor to get him somewhere his skills would fit.

  194. stangerx says:

    Long as Ross keeps carrying the cap over from year to year….. just think of it like a bank account. Don’t spend it now…. it’s there for later.

  195. pheloniusphish says:

    I like McDonald, but he has always been considered a liability in coverage and Miami already has a box safety in Jones. With the premium they seem to be putting on coverage skills and their inability to cover TE and RB in previous years, McDonald’s release isn’t that surprising. Nothing to do with salary or cap, just doesn’t have the skillset to fit this defense.

    • stangerx says:

      Surprising cause they are paying a million in cap over his 2019 number not to have him on the team. But yeah that is why not about salary or cap on steroids. Still think he would be good in a read and react zone scheme….. and man can he lay dudes out.

  196. pheloniusphish says:

  197. CavalierKong says:

    Mike E. says:
    August 26, 2019 at 8:44 am
    Oh, so the Mets lose 3 and now they’re out? OK, I’m still watchin’!
    ————–

    LOL, BBM and I were talking about winning our division. Only teams like the Mets care about that 😉

    • CavalierKong says:

      damn, I messed that up. It was supposed to say – “You’re talking about the wildcard. Only teams like the Mets…”

      But the burn loses its sting when the guy who posts it can’t even get all the words written, lol. DOH!

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