Honestly, considering how bad our run game has been all season long, including this game against the Eagles, it’s astonishing that we were able to put up 409 yards of offense on the Eagles defense. Ryan Fitzpatrick trusted his big guys, but no one was bigger on Sunday than 5th year WR DeVante Parker. The 6’3 216 Parker looked liked an All Pro receiver, snaring everything thrown his way, and most of those were difficult, acrobatic catches where he had to not only aggressively go up to get the ball but twist his body in order to do so. It seemed liked every catch topped the previous one. Fitzpatrick challenged the Eagles secondary up top all day and Parker and Gesicki rewarded him for doing so.
I can’t stress enough how impressive the Dolphins air attack was. The Dolphins had only 17 rushing attempts for 56 yards yet Fitzpatrick managed to assault the Eagles with 365 yards passing. If you take into consideration that WR Albert Wilson broke off a 28 yard run, that leaves 28 yards on 16 attempts. All this happening after Fitzpatrick’s first pass of the game was intercepted. It was such a pleasure to watch too, such a rarity here in Miami for us to see. Wentz wasn’t bad, but Fitzgerald was just better. His receivers were a lot better. Not to leave out Gesicki who also made some nice catches, he finished with 5 catches for 79 yards and a TD. That’s 2 TD’s in 2 games after not managing a TD catch in 26 games. He’s emerging for real. Even Albert Wilson got involved, and although he’s not the player he was last year, he looked closer than he has since the injury.
Going forward this year and next, WR is definitely not a priority. Parker and Hurns make a nice duo and don’t forget that Preston Williams will be back next season too. At the skill positions, I think RB is a greater need than WR. We’ll need some depth at TE as well but the Dolphins could use a bellcow RB for sure. It’s been a long time since we’ve had one, and nothing helps a QB like a strong rushing attack. Just look at Tennessee and Ryan Tannehill for proof of that. He did well when Ajayi was a threat and now he’s taking it to another level with the Titans. I would expect us to find that RB in rounds 2-4. I’d be very surprised if we have any interest in any of the FA RB’s like Melvin Gordon, Derrick Henry or Kareem Hunt. I think we’ll find our guy in the draft.
Back to Gesicki. He now has 36 catches for 401 yards and 2 TD’s. It’s not inconceivable that he finishes the season with 50 catches for close to 600 yards and maybe 5 TD’s. That’s a nice jump from last year and a great sign going forward. Durham Smythe is still under contract next season but depth is definitely needed. As far as the O-line is concerned, seems to me that Deiter and Calhoun are keepers that are developing and at worst, Calhoun is a nice depth player who will compete for a starting job. We need to upgrade the tackles and get younger at center, find our new leader on the O-line for the next decade.
It’s clear that Flores has his guys playing hard. Look at Eric Rowe who has done everything his coaches have asked, from playing CB to safety to nickel LB. Sound familiar? One guy whines and gets shipped out of town and this guy gets rewarded and gets himself a nice new 3 year contract. Good for him. Team player, not like MEnkah Fitzpatrick, better known as Minkah the Mutinous. Things work out, which is why it was so frustrating to me that MTM bailed so early. BTW, MTM costs us over $5M dead cap next year. Anyway, happy for Rowe and it’s a good story.
GO DOLPHINS!!!
#staythecourse
Finsmob Unleashed 
Some guy on the Phinsider posted an “article” about how the reason the dolphins are stuck in mediocrity for last decade was not because of a “culture problem” but because the front office tried to prop up Tannehill by only drafting offensive players. I can’t log into the site to call him out so I am venting my spleen here; ignore if you want because it is a response to someone who will never read it. (it’ll just make me feel better.)
He is wrong of course. Since 2008 Miami has used a ton of picks on Defense
08 – 2nd, 3rd & 7th
09 – 1st, 2nd, 5th & 7th
10 – 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 7th
11 – 7th
12 – 3rd, 5th, 7th
13- 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th
14- 4th, 5th, 7th
15- 2nd, 5th, 5th
16 – 2nd, 6th
17- 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th
18 – 1st, 6th & 7th
That is a SHIT-TON of 1st and 2nd round picks on Defense in the last 10 years. Makes me want to sign up for Facebook just so I can call him out.
here is the link
https://www.thephinsider.com/2019/12/5/20997028/culture-is-not-a-magic-potion
Yeah, that’s some lack off research on their part. They should be embarrassed
* lack of research
Lack off has an interesting ring to it
I see stuff like that all the time.
Naples – I think not on Stanley, he will cost a fortune. Just draft your next LT
MIke, yes he should be embarrassed,but like many who form opinions based upon nothing but their opinion he, probably wouldn’t be. The REAL reason is you only typically get 4-5 “keepable” draft picks per season. You can’t afford to miss on the few you get and we have whiffed whay too much on our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. (most of my reason for not liking Grier as our GM because he has been involved in all of those whiffs)
Saying we drafted only offense isn’t an opinion though, it’s just an incorrect statement. There isn’t any opinion involved, it either is true or false. Right?
Aren’t you one of those that subscribes to “alternate facts”?
Grier’s involvement in the past drafts makes me nervous about the 2020 draft, too.
That’s understandable. It’s never just the GM though, he’s doing the shopping for what the HC wants, and we have had some real sh*t in that capacity for the last decade or so.
It’s all been shit….a collective consciousness of shit.
Krishna – I agree. I do have faith in Flores, and like I said earlier, I don’t think we’re looking at the same type of players we used to, not looking for the guy who put up the best numbers but a guy who does things right, is versatile, smart and coachable. Whether that actually works out or not or whether we properly identify those players remains to be seen.
I have to say since Grier was elevated to GM, it appears he’s picked up a good coach and teams well with Flores. Let’s hope they can work well together with draft.
And, he’s scrubbed the team of dead space, dead weight, and added draft and FA capital. So far, stay the course!
Lack Off
Lack On
Lack Off
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That wasn’t supposed to be a reply. Sorry Krishna…my random signing to weird typos
Karate Pig
It’s also the first time Grier has been the true head honcho. And it’s not like we never drafted any good players in the past. We did, we failed at putting together a good team in all phases at the same time. Our former HCs also didn’t get the job done in games. We lost plenty of close games. Let’s see what kind of team we have in 2021. That’s when we’ll know if Grier had the right plan to build a team from the ground up.
Then he is coming out
No guaranty he will be even if that’s the word on the street.
That’s a little disappointing!
I had hopes for that Prince. Thought he was just injured, but maybe was more.
Prince might go on the PS.
They cut the dead weight. Don’t hang on to them for years…
Prince was a late round flyer. No big deal.
The funny thing is
Washington signed a WR from the Colon Kaepernick tryout.
Really? Lol
Rock – Alternate facts? Not sure what you mean. I definitely have my opinions on certain things but whether we draft offensive players or defensive players in the draft isn’t subject to an opinion, it’s facts.
Yeah that dude was just plain wrong.
Maybe he just took offense to all the draft picks? 🤪
Ha! I get it! Lol
Dallas once again in trouble. The NFC East has gotten really bad.
Yeah, they are all tanking…🤪
It’s the new fangled way. LOL
If the Cowboys lose tonight and they most likely will, there will be 16 teams with losing records in the league. That’s not a good look for the NFL.
That post about Flores spending significant time scouting talent throughout the season is something he said he’s been doing for 15 years. That’s more about how he coaches the entire team, not specializing. He’s entrenched with every player on this team.
I wanted a defensive HC this time around but coach Flo is much more than that. I think we found a leader, motivator and teacher as our HC. He’s already shown multiple times that he will throw some razzle dazzle at you. LOL
Jerry Jones speaking for his team is the problem. Your HC is an afterthought.
That’s why Jason Garrret is his coach
That’s a big reason why they’re 6-7. They have no leadership at HC. It’s not all Garrett’s fault either. Jerry Jones thinks just having a lot of talent is all you need. Well you have the talent, so why are you 6-7? But they’re still the top seed in the NFC East regardless of what the Eagles do this Monday Night. How crazy is that? LOL
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DrakKe00.htm
Why did you put up Drake?
To illustrate that after his first game he hasn’t done much?
Yes! I’m a Drake fan but I’m pointing out how people react week to week. You haven’t heard a peep about Drake in weeks. LOL
Can Am – Patrick shut down Dolphin Shout? What happened?
Not sure Patrick shut it down. I believe it may have been Paul, the site’s owner. It’s for sale for around $3200.
Sorry for the late reply, dsl in and out, mostly out last few days.
Lots of talent will be on the field tonight!
I’d have no problem drafting him in the 1st. He’s somewhere between Josh Allen and Daniel Jones as a young QB. I think his upside is huge.
UCLA
Darnay Holmes, CB
Holmes was the No. 3 cornerback recruit in the nation in the 2017 class according to 247 Sports. And while his tape hasn’t always been steady, Holmes has undoubtedly flashed in his first two seasons at UCLA. He tallied three picks as a freshman with three pass breakups and had three more interceptions in 2018 while boosting his pass-breakup figure to eight. Blessed with elite speed and insane twitch, Holmes is more of an athlete right now than a polished corner. With more refinement to his game — with press at the line, staying in phase down the field, and learning to not bite on double moves — Holmes will skyrocket up draft boards, potentially into the first round.
I think he’ll be on radar too. He’s a gamer and a playmaker. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.
Tim, “Elite speed and insane twitch” caught my attention. I’ll be watching him.
If we can get a bookend CB for Howard we will be one stop closer.
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Wyoming, it will be a good one to watch for sure. My prediction is Herbert will struggle against the pass rush and very good DB’s of Utah and will show why he is not worth picking with our first pick.
Again, I feel he is no better than Rosen and wouldn’t select him with our first pick. IMO, Herbert = Eason so why draft one of them early when one will be there later.
Tim, don’t get me wrong. I think Herbert is a talented QB but just think we should of seen more from him with the # of games he has started and a stellar OL in front of him. After Burrow and Tua, I think the remaining QB’s are more projects to work with. It will be interesting who they can work with the most. If we take Herbert with our first pick, I will be surprised but also will trust our staff for their decision and not bitch about it. LOL
BBM, get yourself an avi my friend!
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simply use the same log-in you use here and you can upload whatever you want.
BBMike, so one person will struggle against Utah’s pass rush and DBs. That disqualifies Herbert as a top NFL prospect?
What this comment really says is Oregon can’t block or get open against Utah. LOL
I’m sure you all have heard about the active shooter here on NAS Pensacola. I have finally got in touch with all my friends who work on base and all are well. This is just terrible. NAS Pensacola was my last duty station. Where this happened was where the new pilots come in. Makes me wonder if this shooter could have been an officer/pilot trainee. It also makes me wonder if it was terror related as we train pilots from many countries around the world. Mainly middle east countries. Not pointing a finger as most of the foreign nationals we trained were really cool. The Pakistani officers were a bit arrogant and standoffish but still cool. My guess is it’s just a mentally unstable jackass who wasn’t going to make it through training.
Hurts even more when it hits close to home.
Rock You’ll have to watch him on Youtube! 🙂
UCLA is not bowl eligible!
How did Tua do against Clemson last year in the championship game? Drops mike!!! LOL
I want to see Moss show out a little better than he did against Washington!
Hebert could struggle tonight!
That is a sure enough talented D Utah has!
Utah is a good team
I would like to see them in The playoffs
But if Herbert doesn’t struggle you can bet, no one will give him credit for beating a good team
That disqualifies Herbert as a top NFL prospect?
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Tim, not at all. I just have not seen him improve on that over the last 2 years. I think if it something our staff feels they can make him better at and they select him, I will be happy that we got him. Heck, he could end up being the best of this class. Burrow’s main fault is the deep ball. He does not have the arm strength of Tua, Herbert or Love. He tends to float his deep balls. Like we all have said, it’s a crap shoot in most cases.
BBMike, I’m not saying anyone of these QB prospects this year are great. My point is did you know what the 2018 QB class would be? Lamar Jackson at #32 is on his way to being MVP and more. Would you take Josh Allen over Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold at his point? I would. You can’t teach size, athleticism and arm strength.
Oh right, Josh Rosen too. LOL
Tim
I think Herbert is much better than Allen of Jones ever was
He’s suffering a bit from hyper analysis especially among Dolfans who have been salivating for a QB since August
But he has far fewer warts than any of those prospects, as does Burrow and Tua
Personally I think all 3 of those guys would have went before any QB selected and j the last couple of years, expect maybe Mayfield making an argument to be taken before then but even iMO mayfield was not the qualifty prospect either of those 3 were
I’m Tua’s cass I’m speaking about him irrespective of injury or injury risk
Herbert reminds me of Roethlisberger after Eli and Rivers. It’s about upside at the next level. Not college stats. If that mattered Tim Tebow would be the greatest of all time. LOL
Steve Young 3.0 is what they were saying. Yeah right! LOL
bailbondmike says:
December 6, 2019 at 11:16 am
I’m sure you all have heard about the active shooter here on NAS Pensacola
4 dead, including the shooter. Shame.
Ugh!!!
So we did move on. No biggie – a 2018 7th DL for a 2019 6th OL. In a year or two nobody will care when neither is on the team. However I’m rooting for Sieler. 😉
My top 3 were gone so I traded down:
Round 1 Pick 7 (ARI): Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn (B+)
Round 1 Pick 22: Alex Leatherwood, OG/OT, Alabama (B)
Round 1 Pick 25: Yetur Gross-Matos, DE/OLB, Penn State (B-)
Round 2 Pick 4: Creed Humphrey, C, Oklahoma (B+)
Round 2 Pick 7 (ARI): Jordan Love, QB, Utah State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 28: KLavon Chaisson, DE/OLB, LSU (B)
Round 3 Pick 4: Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah (A+)
Round 4 Pick 7 (ARI): Josh Metellus, FS/SS, Michigan (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Zack Moss, RB, Utah (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Julian Blackmon, CB, Utah (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: Michael Pittman, WR, USC (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Harrison Bryant, TE, Florida Atlantic (A+)
Round 7 Pick 24: Logan Stenberg, OG, Kentucky (A+)
How did you get three 2’s? Someone traded you a shoe and a stick of gum? LOL
Yeah, the trade down w/AZ. Gotta love Firstpick, LOL.
I could see us trading a lot this year. When you have all those picks you both have a lot to trade up with and after you trade down the next pick for whoever you want ain’t that much of a wait.
I don’t care what we do. We need to add difference makers. 3 from FA and 5 from the draft along with who proved themselves this season. That can change everything in 2020.
I think the players I am going to focus on tonight will be:
Utah
RB Zack Moss
CB Jaylon Johnson
FS/CB Julian Blackmon
DE Bradlee Anae
Oregon
QB Justin Herbert
Oregon OL (Specifically OT Throckmorton and their center)
I just stepped outside and got caught up in a crazy game of Hopscotch!!! LOL
Was it a bunch of ladies? lol
Them 8 year olds whoop you? 😉
What made the game crazy? Were they using crazy pastel colored chalk for the boxes?
How do you get “Caught up in” a game of hopscotch? Was it all women in short skirts?
It was crazy bc Tim was wearing a skirt
I didn’t want to speculate or stereotype earlier but I am hearing the shooter was from the middle east. Have not confirmed but one of the local news stations reported that.
I’ve heard he is a Saudi National
But nothing is reliable at this point
https://www.foxnews.com/us/naval-air-station-pensacola-active-shooter-reported-shelter-in-place-issued
Saudi flight student
A Saudi
Whens the last time you heard that?
Before I retired, I worked at the Naval Survival Training Institute on NAS Pensacola. We conducted all the aviation physiology on the new pilot trainee’s to make sure they can handle the physical affects of flying fighter jets. Some of the foreign students would try to refuse some of the training and become very upset when it came down to them having no option but to do it. TBH, some of them did make me nervous when this happened. Though I can never remember going though that with a Saudi student. The main thing they would refuse to do would be the Multi-Place Underwater Egress Trainer (cause they couldn’t swim or didn’t want to do it blindfolded) or the Multi-station Disorientation Device (better know as the “Spin and Puke”).
pheloniusphish says:
December 6, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Saudi flight student
Reply
Was he only interested in how to takeoff and not how to land?
Had to see what I could do with “thedraftnetwork” simulator:
4 Chase Young, EDGE Ohio State
22 Justin Herbert, QB Oregon
25 D’Andre Swift, RB Georgia
36 Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn
60 Rashard Lawrence, IDL LSU
68 Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
149 Bradlee Anae, EDGE Utah
150 Denzel Mims, WR Baylor
163 Patrick Queen, LB LSU
180 Saahdiq Charles, OT LSU
188 A.J. Dillon, RB Boston College
215 Tariq Castro-Fields, CB Penn State
© 2019 The Draft Network
That would be a dream scenario. …Chase Young and Justin Herbert.
Burrow went #1 and Tua went in the teens somewhere.
Yea, I figured Burrow, Andrew Thomas, and Jeudy went 1 through 3. I only say dream scenario because we get Young and the 3rd rated QB. ….Burrow is my #1 and has been since September.
Ooooh….I would like that draft
Crazy thing is, before the season started, Burrow was not being considered in the top 5 QB’s in most circles. Now, he is #1 in most circles. Before, it was Herbert and Tua talk. I know that view has changed in most fans eyes but wonder how much it has changed in the eyes of scouts and GM’s. Maybe I am not being fair to Herbert. I was looking at Oregon’s roster of skill players. I have not heard of one of them. I was expecting to see more of Herbert this year with a solid OL but may have overlooked that they may be lacking a supporting cast of skill players.
BBM, The thing that I heard about him that concerns me most is the amount of screen passes he threw and dump off passes that increased his percentage greatly. It was something like 60% of his passes were less than 10 yards or somesuch
Herberts pretty accurate
Herberts pretty accurate
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Rock Said:
“BBM, The thing that I heard about him that concerns me most is the amount of screen passes he threw and dump off passes that increased his percentage greatly. It was something like 60% of his passes were less than 10 yards or somesuch”
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I have to agree with Rock. After watching his last 2 games, I am just not seeing “it” but I am trying to give him a chance. Come April, we will see what our team feels about him.
Herbert’s accuracy on intermediate passes is what I question. He just hasn’t been as consistent as Burrow or Tua. His ball placement isn’t at the same level as Burrow or Tua either. Also, I would like to know his completion percentage on contested passes. …Something Burrow seems very good at and something essential for the next level.
I think Herbert is definitely a top 3 QB prospect and 1st rounder, I just don’t think he’s in the same league as Burrow or Tua right now. Though Tua’s injuries do complicate things.
Me tonight
This is CBSSPORTS mock draft for us right now including comps (4th & 5th round) no QB either:
CB Jeff Okudah, Ohio State
OT Alex Leatherwood, Alabama
OL Austin Jackson, USC
C Tyler Biadasz, Wis
Edge Jabari Zuniga, UF
RB Jonathan Taylor, Wis
CB Troy Pride, ND
DT Tyler Clark, UGA
LB Jacob Phillips, LSU
SS Reggie Floyd, Va Tech
LB Cameron Brown, PSU
TE Mitchell Wilcox, USF
WR Gabriel Davis, UCF
That’s OL heavy but pretty good
Zuniga, Taylor and Wilcox would make me very happy later
Go Rosen!
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 4: Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia (A)
Round 1 Pick 22: Grant Delpit, FS/SS, LSU (A)
Round 1 Pick 25: DAndre Swift, RB, Georgia (A-)
Round 2 Pick 4: CJ Henderson, CB, Florida (A-)
Round 2 Pick 28: Kenny Willekes, DE/OLB, Michigan State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 4: Creed Humphrey, C, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Parker Braun, OG, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Julian Blackmon, CB, Utah (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: Ty Tyler, DE/OLB, Marshall (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Anthony McFarland, RB, Maryland (A+)
Round 7 Pick 24: Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor (A+)
Blackman!
Wow Julian Blackmon
There’s that immobile QB everyone keeps talking about
Is Gase the HC of Oregon?
Utah needs to throw some screens!
Well, neither team looks like one of the top 4 so that makes one decision this weekend easier.
Moss has been very disappointing tonight! 😦
That Utah QB is terrible. Without Moss, they look really one dimensional.
They are run blitzing! Need some screens to slow them down!
He’s made some really poor decisions tonight. He’s only thrown the ball more than 24 times in a game twice this year. He lets Moss and the defense win games for him.
This is going to end up a fuck scrum!
I want to thank Oregon from keeping another bad PAC-12 team from the College Playoffs. I want to thank Utah for showing just how bad Herbert is to a national audience. He’s truly subpar for such a talented specimen. I just hope we aren’t the team dumb enough to waste a high pick for 5 years of disappointment.
I would be very happy with Herbert as our top pick. He is going to be good. Big Ben 2.0
I like Herbert, but I don’t love him. He’s clearly the #3 QB in the upcoming draft. He is an improvement over Tannehill or any of the QBs on our current roster, so if we draft him I’ll support the pick. Trust me, we could do worse.😉
The way I see it… Burrow I love, Tua worries me, and Herbert I like. The other QBs are really not an improvement over Rosen or what will be available in FA. …Though Jordan Love is intriguing.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 4: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 22: DAndre Swift, RB, Georgia (A-)
Round 1 Pick 25: Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 4: Tyler Biadasz, C, Wisconsin (A)
Round 2 Pick 28: Lucas Niang, OT, TCU (A)
Round 3 Pick 4: Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 19: David Dowell, FS/SS, Michigan State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Carter Coughlin, DE/OLB, Minnesota (A+)
Round 6 Pick 4: Patrick Johnson, DE/OLB, Tulane (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Drew Richmond, OT, USC (A+)
Round 7 Pick 24: Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor (A+)
Are you using “FirstPick”? Everytime I do, Burrow goes #1 to Cincy.
Doesn’t seem that way this morning?
They took Herbert.
I’ve decided to go Wirf’s if they go Burrow, Young, Thomas
Herbert is Mariota 2.0 without the success. Big Ben has been better in all phases of his life. Herbert is closer to Jamarcus Russell 2.0…but again without all of the college success.
Yeah, still not impressed. Even though he made some big plays to wide open receivers, he seems to almost panic when his first read is not there. All most like he doesn’t know where his second read is supposed to be. IMO, he looked frantic scanning the field after his first read. That RB won them the game. On that long TD to the wide open WR he did a good job on the pump fake and turn to look off the safety then go back to the WR for the TD but it just seems he has to think himself through the right motions instead of it being natural to him. I think that is why he sucks a bit when under pressure. Any pressure and it screws up his thought processing. I think I am turned off him again as a 1st round QB.
That’s just my opinion but who am I to judge. LOL
Someone may turn him into a good QB but he hasn’t been one for FOUR YEARS of college. CJ Verdell(that RB) has been the MVP of that team for the past two years. A first round QB shouldn’t be playing second fiddle to a RB but Herbert does. People like his size just like they liked JaMarcus Russell’s size. He will end up being a bust.
Wyoming, you are right. Wonder if it will change again after the LSU/UGA game. LOL
Round 1 Pick 4: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 22: Alex Leatherwood, OG/OT, Alabama (B)
Round 1 Pick 25: Yetur Gross-Matos, DE/OLB, Penn State (B-)
Round 2 Pick 4: DAndre Swift, RB, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 28: Creed Humphrey, C, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 4: Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 19: Jon Greenard, DE/OLB, Florida (A)
Round 5 Pick 21: Troy Pride, CB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 6 Pick 4: Julian Blackmon, CB, Utah (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Tyler Johnson, WR, Minnesota (A+)
Round 7 Pick 24: Corey Bethley, DT, TCU (A+)
Doesn’t look like we are done playing WHO?????
I liked Lammons from preseason but he wasn’t cracking the lineup much. Good on ST’s but guess they are setting the team up for the next off season with the back end of other teams rosters. I like what they are doing.
Let’s see if Baylor can seal the deal this time!
I personally really like Herbert
I don’t understand why so many people hate him
Ideally we can draft another position with our early first and nabb him with our 2nd first rounder
But I’m not zeroed in on one QB
The only QB I really don’t want is Jalen Hurts
Piggy,
I’ve researched the guy a lot since last year. He was very intriguing until he got injured his second year but he just doesn’t produce. Do you know he’s averaged 4 games of 1 passing TD the past three years? So 12 games out of 34 were 1 TD games. Doesn’t that remind you of someone? Did you watch the game last night? He was 54% with 1 TD. That’s Justin Herbert the past three years. Low completion rate against good teams, low output, let the RB carry the team or you lose.
If he couldn’t carry a talented Oregon team…how in the world can he carry an NFL franchise? When the running game is shut down, how does a QB who doesn’t bite as a pup, in college, suddenly bite as a NFL player? The PAC-12 is a really, really weak conference. He’s not been exceptional in it.
It’s an insult to Big Ben to be compared to him. Ben raised the level of play at small Miami of Ohio and they ended up rated #10 when he left. They beat much bigger programs and won a lot of games. Herbert can’t beat weaker programs like ASU. Oregon may end up in the top 10. Oregon should thank their real stars, CJ Verdell and the OL for that. Or even their defense that played very well. Herbert did very little yesterday. He’s done very little all year(and last year).
I don;t hate Herbert. I just don;t want him here unless we take a flyer with one of our 2nd rounders. He’s just not been good enough to waste first round options.
Here is one of those quick small water bug RB’s who could be brought in as an UDFA.
Here is a bigger back who might be avail in the late rounds if he declares. Fast forward to about 1:05 in video.
Another who may enter the draft and be a late round RB:
RB Caleb Huntley Ball State, 5′ 10″, 226 lbs, 248 for 1,275 12 TD’s
I am watching the game but been at work 4 1/2 hours and haven’t done a bond yet so I playing Draft Diamond Saturday!
Another who could enter after 2 real productive years is RB Darrynton Evans of App State.
Herbert will transfer faster and better than most of the QBs because of the amount of playing time he has had and playing in a pro style offense
Well, I sure hope the Bengals feel that way. LOL
Here’s one for you BBM
Yeah, I think he is underrated because his team sucks. He will go in the mid rounds. I was looking at guys we could get in the 7th or UDFA. I think we should draft 1 RB and bring in a few UDFA RB’s.
Just another thing about Herbert being on a very talented team and not lifting anyone up. That is totally not True. Oregon football was in shambles when he got there. They were 4-8 in his first season. Now they are Pac 10 champs
Shambles? They were 9-4 the year before and ended ranked 19th in the country. The only reason Oregon struggled was two bad rookie QBs in Herbert and Prukop.
Shambles
Its so hard to project QBs. You can assess skills but you really just never know how they’ll end up adjusting and adapting to the pro level where the stress and expectations are huge. Herbert is a solid prospect. I don’t get the Big Ben comparisons, as far as their games. Physically, maybe. He’s a smart kid, so you hope he’s coachable. I don’t dislike him, but it doesn’t feel like he stands out to me either.
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I think Burrow, Tua and Herbert are all good pro prospects for different reasons, but I don’t think any of them are great prospects. I also don’t think they are that much better prospects compared to the next few QBs in this draft. Then again, who knows, right?
I pretty much agree with you but I would put all 3 as borderline great prospects but the best QB in college is Lawrence but he cannot come out until next year
OT in the big 12!
I would rather draft QB Anthony Gordon of Washington State than Herbert. Not sure why he has not been in any discussions. He is a one year wonder and a project (some things to be cleaned up) but also a hell of a gun slinger. 465 of 647, 71.9 comp % for 5,228 yards, 45 TD’s and 16 INT’s.
Watch him place the ball away from defenders right where it needs to be. Tell me he does not look better than Herbert.
He doesn’t look better than Herbert. 16 ints in 12 games. Yikes
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I wonder if Kirby Smart ever wonders how his program would be today with Fields over Fromm? I guess Fromm was the safer pick but he’s been pretty bad the last month. I can’t see them winning now without him though so I hope he isn’t hurt too bad.
Burrow is the smartest QB in this draft. He’s agile enough to escape pressure too. I’m going to hate to see him go to Cincy.
I hope the Bengals going back to Dalton starts a 5 game winning streak.
I really wish we could get Burrow.
There’s still hope if the Giants get the #1 and we trade up.
He doesn’t look better than Herbert. 16 ints in 12 games. Yikes
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Yeah, he also threw the ball 240 times more than Herbert this season and completed 465 passes which is 57 more passes than Herbert even attempted. He is only a 1 year starter who completed 71.78% of 652 passes thrown compared to a 4 year starter in Herbert who has a career completion of 63.87% playing against the same competition with a better OL. Herbert’s quarterback rating is ranked 21st in college football. There are 20 other QB’s with a better rating, including Anthony Gordon, and you guys want to draft him with our 1st pick? I don’t see it.
I will take Herbert. There is a reason why he is rated higher. His talent translates to the NFL. Don’t go by the stats if that was the case Johnny Manziel would be a pro bowler. Although one stat I do look at is ball security and 16 ints in 12 games is a problem and I don’t care how many more attempts there are. You give the other team more than 1 extra possession a game and that’s a problem
I agree with Randy that it’s not easy to project QBs at the next level for all sorts of reasons that doesn’t even include talent.
The problem with top pick QBs is they go to really bad teams. This means they have lots of things that will probably go wrong. You don;t want your top picks to throw one TD a game for 33% of his games when your team already has lots of issues. That new QB can’t depend on excellent coaching, great OLs, top talent anymore.
He needs the ability to show he can somewhat carry a load. LSU runs through Joe Burrow. He is a huge part of that offense and he leads it. He has an average arm at best but some of these other guys….they haven’t looked good with lots of talent surrounding them. I don’t see where they will lead an offense when they are just a piece of it. Just a guy throwing 1 TD a game 33% of the time. Or throwing an int every game on average or throwing 50% a lot of the time(not focusing on Herbert alone) That won’t cut it on a bad team. That won’t win NFL games.
Joe Burrow just showed why he should go #1. Fantastic play. Great throw on the run, awesome escape.
Ken, I understand what you are trying to say. That is why I called Gordon a gun slinger and needed to clean up some things. Those things are easy fixes in ball security and foot work.
The problem I have is Herbert is a 4 year starter and played the same teams for 4 years, has a solid supporting cast and better OL but has not elevated his game since he was a freshman.
Gordon came up from junior college, starts his senior year after sitting behind Minschew for a season and lights up the same competition with a poorer supporting cast.
That tells me Gordon has more upset/potential than Herbert.
You are right, you can’t go by stats which should include INT’s. Peyton Manning had double digit INT’s his junior and senior years. Tom Brady only attempted 638 passes his whole college career with 17 INT’s which is a higher ratio than Gordon. Phillip Rivers threw 34 INT’s his college career.
Drew Brees threw 45 INT’s as a 3 year starter. Patrick Mahomes had 29 INT’s in 2 1/2 seasons. Rothlisberger had double digit INT’s each of his 3 seasons as a starter in college. I just don’t think you can use that stat only to gauge a QB.
upside not upset, lol
Burrow is unbelievable! Fromm showing his lack of zip on the ball.
On Wisconsin!
Looking good so far!
Yeah, they almost need to be perfect, and so far they have been, not sure it will hold up though.
If your QB keeps that up they will have to get off the extra’s on Taylor!
Then he will tear off some good ones!
That fake seems to have changed momentum? 😦
JK dobbins is the back I want us to draft!
Wisconsin defense is flying to the ball
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-downgrade-leveon-bell-to-out-vs-dolphins-leaving-bilal-powell-as-presumptive-starter-vs-dolphins/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/leveon-bell-out-for-week-14-at-dolphins/ar-BBXUzW3
My first post disappeared so I thought the site didn’t like the link. I got it from another source, then the first post showed up.
I really like Taylor…but Dobbins is awesome too. Can’t go wrong either way
I agree with Wyo… Dobbins is the back I would love to draft. Dude is a beast 🐕
Don’t get caught up in the big names with what the media thinks. Let Grier/Flores do their thing.
This team competes with a backup roster. What happens when we add premium talent?
The blow it up turnover cycle has begun and had to happen.
They were wallowing in the mire. Why not change it? Go with the flow. 🙂
Go Phins!!!!
I am laughing.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/odell-beckham-jrs-talent-has-been-wasted-in-what-multiple-sources-describe-as-a-dysfunctional-browns-offense.html
College – It’s the QB
NY – It’s the QB
Mia – It’s the QB
Cleveland – It’s ??????????
Must be nice to have a fall guy!
Instead of making him better, just throw him under the bus!
SMH
But they have those superstar WR….how can they not win?
Maybe they should let Landry be the coach and QB. Then Beckham can have the ball all they want. I swear the two of them should come out of their closet.
Team > superstars
Swift is my favorite
I take Dobbins and Taylor too
I really hope we draft Herbert and Swift just to make everyone lose it….lol
I just don’t want to take a RB before the 2nd 2nd.
Swift Taylor, and maybe even Dobbins will be one by then?
Hubbard and Moss aren’t bad plan B’s!
I would not lose it if we drafted Swift. Also, would not lose it if we drafted Herbert either…… in the 3rd round 😉