2019 Dolphins season in review, plus a look to the future

A cursory glance at our record in the standings might lead one to think this season was a failure. 5-11 and last place in the division by itself is not an impressive achievement. In context however, getting to 5-11 with the roster Brian Flores was given to work with in 2019 is actually pretty impressive. The final game win over the Patriots in Foxborough the cherry on top of the sundae. The Dolphins shed the roster of a large quantity of players, some with legit talent such as LT Laremy Tunsil, defector S Minkah Fitzpatrick, DE Robert Quinn, WR Kenny Stills and Kenyan Drake and a multitude of injuries that stripped the roster down considerably. Xavien Howard played (injured) in only 5 games in the beginning of the season before being placed on IR. Reshad Jones played in only 4 games. T.J. McDonald was released in August. DB Bobby McCain played in only 9 games. Charles Harris was there but he was all but invisible for 14 games. For perspective, our defensive backfield the majority of the season was Nik Needham, Jomal Wiltz, Eric Rowe, Steven Parker, Chris Lammons and then followed by half the season or less with Ken Webster, Adrian Colbert, Montre Hartage Ken Crawley, Johnson Bademosi and of course MTM sucked for 2 games for us. Get the picture? It was like GOT, a cast of too many to recall.

Our leading rusher was our QB, Ryan Fitzpatrick, with 243 yards. Neither Kenyan Drake nor Kalen Ballage were able to establish that they were a feature back, and Mark Walton who was on the precipice of doing so was then hit with an 8 game suspension for previous wrongdoings which unceremoniously ended his season. Kenyan Drake was traded to the Arizona Cardinals where he became a superstar (JKJBB) which gave Kalen Ballage his best opportunity ever. Ballage was abysmal really, awful even, averaging less than 2 YPC on 74 carries. By the end of the season we were down to Myles Gaskin who was injured in Week 16 which left only Patrick Laird and De’Lance Turner. Whew!

Bright spots! DeVante Parker realized all his wondrous potential and showed us just how good he can be. It was stunning really, that boy can play! His renaissance began about mid season but took off Week 10 against Indy and didn’t stop. The man was making catches in crowds where he simply ignored his safety and went up and snared the football with his 2 huge hands with total disregard for his body and made the catch. Time and time again we witnessed this as the chemistry between Parker and Fitzgerald was undeniable. Early in the season Preston Williams was cementing his status as a go to guy but was injured Week 9 against the Jets. Albert Wilson took a while to shake off the rust and by the end of the season, he started to resemble the guy from early to mid 2018 before his hip injury. Allen Hurns was a nice pickup and he also was returning from an injury last season and I think he will pay more dividends in the future. Rookie Isaiah Ford showed a lot of promise as well and was establishing himself as a legitimate WR by season’s end. Mike Gesicki turned into the receiving threat TE we thought we drafted. He showed nice growth and I think is just getting started as to what he can be.

On defense Taco Charlton who we picked up on waivers was our leading sack man with 5. Vince Biegel who we picked up in the trade with New Orleans had 13 QB hits. Davon Godchaux had a very solid season with over 70 tackles. Jerome Baker one of the defensive leaders on the team continues to play well and grow. Some of the youngsters in the no name secondary proved they are NFL worthy contributors and some will round out our depth back there very nicely. Andrew Van Ginkle showed a little promise in the limited time he played, he was on IR for much of the season (10 games). Eric Rowe who looked overmatched out on the boundary was a pleasant surprise when they moved him to safety. Rowe looks certain to be in the mix for one of the safety spots next season. A bunch of the no-name guys also excelled at ST’s and that’s an important dynamic on a football team. Walt Aikens continued his ST’s excellence this season.

Not getting caught up in hyperbole, I think the future is bright for our team. The Dolphins check in at #2 of teams with highest cap space available in 2020 with $94M +, just shy of the Indianapolis Colts who are only $2M higher. We have currently picks #5 and #18 in RD 1 along with one more pick which is tied to the success or failure of the Houston Texans against the Kansas City Chiefs. If the Texans lose the pick is at #25, if they win it continues to fall to the end of the 1st RD if they keep winning. THREE 1st RD picks! We also have picks #39 and #56 in RD 2. IN RD 3 we have pick #70. The good stuff ends in the 4th RD where we currently hold no picks. We do however, have three 5th RD picks. We have two 6th RD picks and one 7th RD pick. That’s a huge haul, which by the way does not include compensatory picks whose value has yet to be revealed although it’s value is likely set. Figure a 4th RD for Ja’Wuan James and somewhere between a 5th-7th for Cam Wake. That should result in a haul of 14 total draft picks in 2020. Draft party anyone???

In 2020 Free Agency, I don’t think we’re gunning for the top stars, although we have the cap space to do so. I think we’ll get some meat and potatoes, maybe even some prime rib but most likely no filet mignon. This is going to be a team, we’re not going to be shopping for “ME” players. I admittedly may be getting so caught up in that mantra that I actually believe we may not select a QB early in this draft while it’s expected our #5 pick is reserved for just that. I have been pounding the table that in the NFL you need to have a top QB. In 2020 I’m not convinced that is completely accurate. I think you need to have a well rounded team, one that can run the ball effectively and play strong defense. Defense wins championships. That still rings true. I know this will come off as a slight to Ryan Tannehill and I apologize in advance for those offended, but just look at the success of the Tennessee Titans. Ryan Tannehill is near the top of the leaderboards in a few passing categories. As per usual, he’s not a TD machine, but he has been a careful and effective game manager. 22 TD’s in today’s NFL doesn’t quite cut it. It can work if you have the leading rusher on your team and the Titans happen to have this year’s best in Derrick Henry. 303 carries for 1540 yards and 16 TD’s. Add in another 2 TD’s receiving for Henry and you can see how important Henry was to their success.

Ryan Tannehill was a complimentary player this season and he did his job very well. He had only 6 INT’s and 1 lost fumble. I’m not going to throw the game manager label on him but HC Mike Vrabel clearly didn’t want or ask Ryan Tannehill to put the team on his back, that was Derrick Henry’s job. Think I’m lying? Last season Derrick Henry had 215 carries, this season Mike Vrabel increased his carries 41%, FORTY ONE PERCENT to 303! I’m not bitter about Ryan Tannehill’s success, but I think it’s important to give credit where credit is due. I can almost guarantee that you if the Baltimore Ravens shut down Derrick Henry and force Ryan Tannehill to win the game through the air the results will be glum for the visiting Titans. So what’s my point? It sounds like I’ve talked myself out of what I was saying that this is a team game, right? I haven’t. We need a capable QB to pilot our team but I’m not convinced it has to be one of the 1st RD QB’s. We have Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen next season. We won’t need a QB to step in right away and I still haven’t given up hope that Josh Rosen could be the guy. Years ago 1st RD QB’s sat for a while, and Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons behind Brett Favre. Maybe he needs more seasoning and development. I can tell you he’s watching a fine leader in Ryan Fitzpatrick lay down the foundation of how to lead a team. I’m so enamored with Fitzpatrick and feel embarrassed by saying it would be “boring” to watch him start instead of seeing what we have in Rosen instead.

I think we’re going to build a team, and I think QB is not necessarily the top priority like so many think it is. Hey, I’m wrong at least 50% of the time so it’s not like my track record gives me any foundation for this, but I have a feeling we’re going to hit the trenches in FA, bring in at a minimum 2-3 OL, 2 of them legit starters and one backup. They won’t be old either, probably none older than 28 or 29 for the starters. I think we will do the same on the defensive side, at least one DT/DE, a pass rushing type, and then a LB who can also rush the passer. Same formula, not likely older than 29. We have money, we have to spend some of it and we will. We hit the draft with some key holes filled and continue to add significant talent on the O-line and D-line. We must bring in talent at RB. I wouldn’t mind in the least a 1st RD pick on a RB. We need lots of help in the secondary so CB and S will be priorities. Hopefully the picture of what is going down with CB Xavien Howard is clearer before FA and the draft so we can address it properly. We need depth in the secondary no matter what, but if we know Xavien Howard won’t be missing much time if any would be a boon.

I’m ready for the assault for the Tannehill defenders, I stand behind every word I say and have illustrated my point well. Have at it, I’m here. I’m here for those who think we must take a QB at 5 as well. It’s just how I feel. Heck, I’m here for everything I say really, so if you don’t agree with anything, sling away! I think we will take a QB in this draft but I won’t be surprised if it’s in RD 2 or later. The Tua to Miami thing I feel is way overblown. Every athlete handles injuries differently. The best example of a successful player overcoming a brutal injury history is none other than former Dolphins RB Frank Gore. Gore tore his left leg ACL twice in college and then went on to play 15 years with over 15,000 yards, so go figure. If the Dolphins really are all in for Tua I can only hope he’s like Frank Gore.



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708 Responses to 2019 Dolphins season in review, plus a look to the future

  1. wyoming85 says:

    Who said we didn’t have a Rep in the Pro Bowl?

  2. Rockphin says:

    I am somewhat-more-than-a-little concerned about the coaching turnover that has happened already with the Dolphins. Flores and his staff got credit in my eyes for taking a team with a lack of talent and “over performing” to get 5 wins. Now both coordinators are gone and we are back to the drawing board changing the offense, terminology, etc, etc. I think it is still too early to rate Flores’ performance and / or to expect further progression this coming year. I am “hopeful” but still “queasy” about it.

    I’m still not convinced that Grier is the right choice either. I can totally see us under performing next season again. Nothing from this past season has given me enough confidence to breath that sigh of relief yet.

    It is very possible, if not probable that the team will suck again this year.

    I was hoping for continuity and growth from the staff this season. Now it is wait and see again.

    • dloxahatchee says:

      I tend to have reservations about a DC head coach due to the idea of building a high flying offense the OC gets the “credit” and ends up poached by another team kind of leaving you at square one,
      Yes it often happens the other way as well but doesn’t seam as often,

      Pats tend to go through it more than most and keep rolling so we will see !

    • New Age says:

      I have the same reservations. That’s a lot of turnover and it seems like his own coaches preferred coaching under other guys.

  3. dloxahatchee says:

    Anyone catch the pets news regarding McDaniels HC interviews ?
    Sounds like Bill-a-cheat blocked him from interviews even though they were already out and he missed his window.
    Not that I would be real interested if I had an opening after his Colts fiasco

    • Rockphin says:

      I was actually more interested since the reaming of the Colts by McDaniels. I was wondering who in the world would bother giving him a shot after what he did to the colts. (Accepting the position, getting his underlings under contract and then bailing) I mean the colts got fucked into hiring people the next coach they had to scramble to hire didn’t want!

  4. Rockphin says:

    I guess McDaniels interviewed with the Browns because Belicheat could not block that interview.


    Poor Poor Browns fans….

    • Rockphin says:

      there are later articles from this week that say McDaniels is NOT in play for the Browns sooo……They may have hope? LOL

  5. stangerx says:

    Both Graham and Boyer worked with Flores before. Graham was with the Pats from 2009-2015 and Boyer from 2006-2018. Curious that Graham goes to take the same DC position with the Giants after one year. Mike E might have come up with the reason — that with Flores as HC it is a DC-lite job. So actually a step up for Graham.

  6. Ken says:

    I am not too worried about the coaching changes. At OC we had a historically bad run game. That warrants a change. We could have blocked the DC change if we wanted. This is Flores defense. He is replacing one of his guys with another one of his guys. I don’t think it will matter much

    • stangerx says:

      I’m only worried about it if a sign that Flores is not a good guy to work for. But he doesn’t seem that one the player’s side at least. So I’m not overly concerned either, but sure as heck will be bringing it up if there is more down the road. 🙂

      • dloxahatchee says:

        Not too concerned, coach shuffle happens all the time
        that said a lateral move is always curious

        Really think Flo has a vision he’s sticking to, I’m always for the “upgrade where you can” even in the staff

  7. ocalarob says:

    did we get any compensation for giving the Giants our DC?

    He must have been under contract if they had to ask permission for the interview, i understand they can take him but only if they upgrade his position, the next upgrade for a DC would be HC.


    • Rockphin says:

      unless the team having control give their permission, which Flores did. I guess he COULD have blocked it but obviously must have decided not to.

      Bellicheat was able to block McDaniels from interviewing just by refusing to allow McDaniels to reschedule his meetings while Bellicheat was still in control. Flores must have been OK with Graham leaving.

  8. wyoming85 says:


  9. dloxahatchee says:

    Didn’t the NFL just have a cheating scum club basically pull a similar stunt (2nd time)
    I’d say that punishment sounds about right !

  10. TryPod says:

    Astros got caught doing things the “Patriot way”. Ouch

  11. wyoming85 says:

    Well I guess that ends it!

  12. D says:

    Tim to start playing the reade up or down game. If things remain how they are looking right now, we probably miss out n a top QB (im assuming Burrow), the top LT, the top DE and likely the top CB. If that’s the case do you stay at 5, trade back, or package up other picks to move up. If its the latter what other picks and move up to where to get whom? If its the former, who do you think you have a trade back chance with and what are you asking for in compensation.

    Assuming you didnt trade the pick at 18, do you stay put, trade back, or package up other picks to move up. If its the latter what other picks and move up to where to get whom? If its the former, who do you think you have a trade back chance with and what are you asking for in compensation.

    Finally, pick 26, assuming you didnt trade the pick, do you stay put, trade back, or package up other picks to move up. If its the latter what other picks and move up to where to get whom? If its the former, who do you think you have a trade back chance with and what are you asking for in compensation.

  13. CavalierKong says:

    WOW!! Astros get massive penalties:

    A one-year suspension for general manager Jeff Luhnow;
    A two-year Netflix ‘flex’ penalty, doubling all subscription fees for Astros employees;
    A one-year suspension for manager A.J. Hinch;
    A 5 year suspension from enrollment access to the Jelly of the month club;
    The forfeitures of first- and second-round draft picks in both 2020 and ’21;
    A one-year suspension from bathroom use during games for all Astros employees;
    A fine of $5 million, the maximum allowed under MLB’s constitution;

    MLB had to come down hard on them, but some of these penalties are ludicrous speed!!!

  14. Rockphin says:

    the suspension of their jelly of the month club rights is just too much to take! I would file for an appeal on that alone!

  15. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    January 13, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    wayyyyyyyy to many parameters to play this game! there are 31 other teams and you need two to tango. some of the potential trade partners don’t even have staffs right now.
    Has stopped us in the past. The idea is to get you play GM, think about potential trade partners, think about what value you place on a player as in enough to give up X for. its not a true prediction of what will happen because that never possible.

  16. Rockphin says:

    Freaking Giants!

    It appears the 2020 Giants coaching staff is going to have a 2019 Dolphins feel to it.

    The Giants are hiring Patrick Graham as their defensive coordinator after he spent the 2019 season running the defense in Miami. Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that the Giants are also expected to hire Jerry Schuplinski as their quarterbacks coach.

    Schuplinski was the assistant quarterbacks coach on Brian Flores’ first Dolphins staff. Flores, Schuplinski and Graham all worked together with the Patriots and Giants head coach Joe Judge was also on that staff.

  17. D says:

    From ESPN artcle.
    ” If the Dolphins make an internal promotion for the offensive coordinator job, Caldwell and assistant quarterbacks coach Jerry Schuplinski appear to be the most likely candidates. Running backs coach Eric Studesville would be another experienced, capable candidate.

    Schuplinski, another former Patriots assistant, took over the quarterbacks room when Caldwell left, and he also has a lot of respect in the building among players and coaches.”

    • D says:

      I mean i know they hired Gailey, but he seems like a temporary hire. Maybe they are doing the adopt a geezer thing to get old dudes no one would come along and snatch away

  18. D says:

    So Boyer is going to be our new DC, a position which im sure is more partnership with Flores on the scheming and play-calling. Chan Gailey is our OC and probably assistant HC? We brought in a HS guy for the DB coach position that Boyer vacated. We added Roddy Brown to help coach the QB’s, we potentially will have Caldwell coming back, which he was slotted to be the QB coach and assistant HC last year. That just leaves us needing an OL coach? Anyone heard who we might get for that spot?

  19. Tim Knight says:

    Did anyone see a recent video of Antonio Brown cursing at police? It’s pretty bad.

  20. Tim Knight says:

    The Browns hired Kevin Stefanski as their new HC.

  21. CavalierKong says:

    It is kinda weird to see a mass exodus of Dolphins underling coaches happening when this staff seemingly had a good season.

  22. CavalierKong says:

    Tim, unless it becomes criminal, some team will give him another shot. Let’s just hope it isn’t the Dolphins, lol. That dude has serious issues.

    • CavalierKong says:

      That should read some team will *probably* give him another shot

    • stangerx says:

      Something is real wrong with him. My guess is down the road he’ll fess up to some mental illness diagnosis, say he’s been in treatment, that meds saved his life….. and that he is ready to play again of course.

      And he did look darn good in the opener against us. That’s the last tape.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Well his rant was filled with racist and vulgar words. Not sure how a team could sign him and explain that away to anyone.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Did the Patriots care he used racist and vulgar language towards his previous GM?

        Did the Saints care he has an open rape accusation case, got fired from the Patriots, and used racist and vulgar language on his previous GM twice removed? lmao

        I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see some team give him another shot unless he gets convicted of something.

        Of course there are still some weeks before the start of the offseason. AB still has time to blow up a building, rape some animals, and pee on sidewalks all over town before another team may have a chance to sign him, lol.

      • CavalierKong says:

        All it will take is a few weeks of staying off twitter and an act of contrition, and some GM will start looking at what adding that talent will do for the team, and bang, he gets a workout.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’ll believe it when I see it.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Or you could be right, the entire league gets smart, and no one ever looks towards this clown again.

  23. CavalierKong says:


    I sincerely hope you’re right. I hate seeing these cesspools of human garbage getting chance after chance to play in the league.

    But all you have to do is look at Ritchie Incognito to know AB could easily still get a gig if he cleans up his act for a minute. Incognito has no business being in the NFL after the stuff he has done, which WAS criminal, not just mean words.

    • D says:

      I think it also goes a little deeper. Both Incognito and Brown’s level of mental stability in decline, progressed so fast that it seems to me that teh NFL and their supposed concern about CTE should have them both banned from playing again, until a full study and treatment for the condition clears them to play again. Who cares about the affect of the concussion as to when you are being let back on the field, sometimes you have to protect people from themselves and say look bro, you have already taking too many bumps on the brain and we need to focus on getting you right before you kill yourself or someone else.

      • CavalierKong says:

        n’t you have to be dead to be evaluated for CTE? I mean I’m not necessarily against either one of those guys leaving the earth, but I doubt they’ll be able to play again even if they are cleared… 😉

      • CavalierKong says:


      • D says:

        I thinkto have proof of it year, but to have the signs of it, no. They can determine by prossess of evaluation that you are acting as if you have CTE. Brown really went off the deep end after that Burfict hit that gave him a concussion. Incognito is a a meat head who probably had serious issues before he even got out of college. Im sure though with some examination and medical history that it could be at least highly probable in both cases.

  24. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    January 13, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    It is kinda weird to see a mass exodus of Dolphins underling coaches happening when this staff seemingly had a good season.
    It bothers me a ittle because the team seemed to have cohesion and this is a bad sign that at least that could disrupted. We might be adding more vet knowledge, and we might be bringing in fresh minds, but last years group seemed a lot like progress and its just kinda scarey we might be hitting the reset button on that.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yeah, agreed. At this point I guess it just has to be in Flores we trust. Hopefully he sees these as positions that can be upgraded.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It might be a case where Flores wasn’t able to hire who he really wanted in his first year so now he’s trying to change things up to where he wants it moving forward with the new influx of talent that will be coming in.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Good point, that could easily be a factor at work in the turnover we’re seeing.

  25. Tim Knight says:

    It’s pretty wild that tonight’s NCAA Championship game features this year and next year’s likely top NFL draft pick QBs.

  26. wyoming85 says:

  27. CavalierKong says:

    Did any of you guys catch JJ getting the news about his Hall of Fame induction? It was pretty emotional in the best way. It made me bummed I missed Cowher’s earlier in the day.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes it was awesome, and seeing Troy Aikman tear up. Cowher’s was less emotional from what I saw but I might not have seen the entire clip.

  28. son of a son of a shula says:

    I’m going Clempson!

    Final answer

  29. Ken says:

    I want Simmons

  30. The Flying Pig says:

    Simmons can be what Minkah refuses to be for us

  31. rich0322 says:

    Could you imagine if Miami landed both Simmons and Delpit. …Safety blitzes and LB coverages. It would be fun watching those 2 play together, never knowing where they would line up or come from.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Throw Baker into that mix.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That would be fun
      They can do a ton
      And they make up some of the elite talent in this draft

      But I don’t want to spend two first rounders on those positions and still have to find a pass rush and OL

      • rich0322 says:

        Depends on Free agency.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No I wouldn’t draft both but remember we can address pass rush in FA and it’s not like there are none outside the 1st round. We get so caught up in the 1st round that we seem to act like you can’t find top talent in other rounds when we all know that’s not the case.

  32. The Flying Pig says:

    That’s my favorite receiver in the draft

  33. rich0322 says:

    Damn, Tee Higgins is a beast. This draft is stacked with wrs.

  34. The Flying Pig says:

    This guy 47 is all over the place

  35. rich0322 says:

    Major wr talent on the field tonight.

  36. D says:

    Btw that’s not a page or Paige turn up there is a boner builder.

  37. The Flying Pig says:

    5: R1P5
    18: R1P18
    26: R1P26
    39: R2P7
    56: R2P24
    70: R3P6
    142: R4P39
    162: R5P16
    173: R5P27
    185: R6P6
    197: R6P18
    202: R6P23
    245: R7P31
    251: R7P37

  38. New Age says:

    Burrow has the best touch I’ve seen in a while in college.

  39. D says:

    Bad when college football is less pussified than pros. That hit on Lawrence would been a penalty in the NFL

  40. rich0322 says:

    Very entertaining first half.

  41. wyoming85 says:

    Old Joe might not be done yet!

  42. New Age says:

    Well, that turned ugly fast. Best two QBs in the game making for a fantastic championship.

  43. bailbondmike says:

    OMG what a first half!!!!!!!!!!!

    Simmons is everything as advertisied #5 ok

  44. Tim Knight says:

    Yeah we know, you’ll say anything to try to sound right. We get it! You don’t talk QBs either. LOL

  45. Krishna says:

    Burrow is a better QB than Taylor tonight. He’s so impressive. The drop off to Tua at 5 would be a waste pick. We need edge or db or Burrow.

  46. steveccnv says:

    Trevor Lawrence popped his cherry (lost his first game).

  47. Tim Knight says:

    LOL… oh please!!!! When does it end? Mando just wrote about Davie being cursed and now it’s not Tua, but Borrow. Stop!!!!! LOL

  48. D says:

    New Orleans should sell the farm to move up to 1 to get Burrow. Not only would he be a good eventual replacement for Brees but he’d pack out the Superdome every week. Brees also being his hero. Pay that bill New Orleans.

    • Tim Knight says:

      They’d have to give up the farm and they don’t really have that.

    • New Age says:

      Cincy isn’t selling…to anyone. Burrow will sell jerseys, tickets, and hope. There’s not a cache of picks worth that in this year’s draft. Good luck to Joe cause he’ll need it.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We’re the only ones who could pull it off and I doubt we go there. Joe Burrow revives Cincy like you said. It’s an easy pick for them.

    • D says:

      It would probably take 2020 1 and 2, 2021 1, and 2, and with what they need on that team they could afford it. Also from what I hear Cincy really likes Herbert too. Unlikely, but again, I’m telling ya, asses in seats for years to come.

  49. Tim Knight says:

    D, all Cincy has to do is take Burrow at #1. It’s so simple. They’re not all in on Dalton. They’re rebuilding too.

  50. ElephantRider says:

    I’d rather have Flores than any QB in the draft.

    I don’t care what the Fins do. Ireland could run this offseason and Flores would make them winners.

  51. Tim Knight says:

    So the four QBs left in order of standings in the playoffs are – Garoppolo 2014 2nd round #62, Rodgers 2005 1st round #24, Mahomes 2017 1st round #10 and Ryan Tannehill 2012 1st round #8.

    So why do we have to be #1 again?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Anyone want to know who the other 4 QBs in the final 8 were and where they were drafted? 😉

      • Tim Knight says:

        Jackson last pick in the 1st round 2018 #32, Brees first 2nd round in 2001 #32, Watson 1st round #12, and Cousins 4th round #102 4th round.

        So why do we have to be #1 again?

  52. Tim Knight says:

    Watson 2017 and Cousins 2012.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    My bad Russell 2012 3rd round #75.

    Not one top 5 QB was in the playoff mix this year. Tannehill at #8 is the highest. LOL

  54. pheloniusphish says:

    After listening to the games this weekend (driving), and with Burrow being pretty much unattainable, I would prefer the team build from the trenches out. Draft a killer defense and an offensive line. Take a QB later. This weekend showed that defense still wins championships. And I think Tennessee beats KC because of their defense and KC’s lack thereof.

    • Rockphin says:

      History may very well show that Burrow winds up not being the best QB in the draft. it will all depend on the development these young guys continue to get when the reach the NFL.

      I don’t remember seeing anyone on here banging the desk for Russell Wilson who has arguably been the most successful of the 2012 QB’s that came out. His teams have won 33 or more games than anyone else in that draft class(86 wins) . (Colts were next with 53 wins)

      The most successful QB in this upcoming draft may very well be Love, Hurts or Eason. Or someone I haven’t even heard of.

      If it weren’t Grier picking I would have more confidence.

      As Tim pointed out above, all the QB’s left in the playoffs were later round picks. (T-hill being the highest taken!)

  55. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – That’s pretty much how I feel, said as much in the article. I think we’re going to build a team, not just go all in on a QB. That’s how I feel we’ll proceed, but time will tell.

  56. ocalarob says:

    i think tenn beats KC because of the ball control run game and the D, I also think we should focus on the trenches with FA and the draft however we’ve been trying to do that for the last umpteen years and it hasn’t worked!

    we need to trade back and acquire more early selections for future years, maybe having so many early picks will change our luck.

    throw enough shit on the wall some is bound to stick.

  57. The Flying Pig says:

    We have 6 picks In the top 70

    Spending a pick on a QB isn’t going to derail building in the trenches or building a defense

    The titans actually drafted 2 QBs and 2 WRs with their 9 first rounders since 2011
    The tackles in the first they picked in that period have been staples of their offense though (Lewan and Conklin) And they obtained Henry with a 2nd rounder

    Interesting tidbit
    In 2016 when they drafted Henry in the 2nd, he was their 3rd second rounder that year

    The other two players are really recognizable names , but they are still on the titans and still contributing

    I honestly think those type of qualities are part of building a competitive team. Hanging on to your guys, building a team identify, building team chemistry

    Shuffling guys in an out to accommodate the salary cap or regrets you have in spending $ isn’t generally productive

    I think we can get a chance to bring in foundational players and build a core of players
    A lot of them might be role players in time

    6 picks in the top 70 is a lot
    But I doubt we land 6 perennial pro bowlers

    So you can afford to spend a pick on a QB, who doesn’t work out, and still focus on being a physical team

  58. steveccnv says:

    I love what Flores has done so far, with the coaching aspect and changing the culture. Taking nothing and getting 5 wins is remarkable.

    It also gives hope for the future, and gives the team an angle in FA.

    I have no problem gutting the talent, it takes balls to do that, but we paid the price with Minkah.

    What I’m not sold on is what he’s done so far guarantees anything for the future. We’ve seen other Fins coaches finish the year strong, not making the playoffs, then fail the next year.

    It’s not the same when you succeed with nothing on the line, but it surely beats the alternative.

    Just trying to keep things in perspective and not get ahead of myself like I’ve done previously.

    With all of that said, I hope we make a run at the playoffs next year, even though we play the west and west, so tough schedule unlike this year.

    The Saints had a great draft a few years ago, Dallas in JJs early Dallas years, Pitt early 70s…we have the ammo, now get it done Grier!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m predicting KC to win

      The other side of the coin when you look at a ball control heavy run team like Tennessee, is that the Titans really can’t afford to fall behind. They will have a tough time playing catch-up

      That said, it’s worth noting that KC doesn’t defend the run very well.

      Make no mistake about it. Each of these teams has a blue print to win. KC, get ahead early and take away their running game and the titans will be looking to keep doing what they have been doing

      It’s a clash of styles

      I don’t personally subscribe to any mantras about what wins championships or big games. We’ve seen teams win either way in the past. It’s really going to be about execution on Sunday.

      KC was clicking on all cylinders last weekend by the end of the game. I tend to think they will start the game that way. And it doesn’t hurt to be at home either. So they are my pick.

  59. steveccnv says:

    It’s no secret teams with RBs that have had big seasons running the ball have also had big seasons. Titans this year, Gurley last year, and we even had success with Ajayi.

    I’ve always favored the tough runner Czonka, Henry, Zeke, Campbell…to the homerun hitters like Bell, Dorsett, Peterson…

    I want ball control, run when you want to type of an O, but not the run 50 times a game offense. Run/pass balance and power, 3rd down efficiency type.

    I’m not sure what type of O Flores would like, but Gailey hasn’t been that type of OC lately, he was his first stint with the Fins to some extent, even though he was limited with Feidler.

  60. steveccnv says:

    I’ll be rooting for Tenn, but I dont think they will win. KC started slow last weekend as teams sometimes do after a psuedo double bye, but they sure seem to be clinking on all cylinders now, and I don’t think the Titans D can slow them down enough, nor do I think RT can compete in a shootout.

  61. CavalierKong says:

    IMO, for Tennessee to win they have to play a near perfect game. They can’t fall behind early, and they can’t turn the ball over. They need to shorten the game to limit KC’s possessions. Tanny will have to make some big throws, and the D will likely have to create at least one big turnover. Basically the same thing they did the last two weeks.

    I’m also picking KC. I don’t think Tenn can keep up this perfect run, and the KC offense is humming at the right time. I’m betting Tennessee makes it a good game though.

    And I think the Niners beat GB handily like they did earlier in the season. I don’t think the GB offensive line will be able to hold up against the Niners defensive front. The GB running game will be non-existent, and the Niners will be in the GB backfield all day harassing Rodgers.

  62. New Age says:

    Talking QBs, we don’t need to be #1 but the best one will go there. We all watched what he did and he’s done it all year. That was the most dominant team I’ve seen in college. They could have easily run up the score.

    Teams need to do more of following successful drafts of the past. If a player was super successful in college, then he has an extremely high chance of success in the new NFL. Stop drafting like it’s 2000, and take a chance on that extreme talent…early.

    Henry- Running type and hands were considered weaknesses.
    L Jackson- running QB. needs seasoning, size
    Mahomes- lacks discipline.
    Watson- accuracy issues, never had to use full reads, needs work
    Wilson- too small

    These guys had unreal production in college and fairly unique skillsets. Every one of them had a round 1-2(Wilson was much lower) projection based on perceived weaknesses. The teams who took a chance on these guys have an engine for success. I love guys like Jackson and Henry because no one else can do what they do. Isn’t that worth a lot? Maybe Tua fits that? Simmons? We need to find that guy somewhere in the first.

  63. Rockphin says:

    All I want from this draft is 3 probowl players. That is not too much to ask is it?

    • Rockphin says:

      if I can ask for one of those probowl players to be a QB would that seem greedy of me? (who cares, call me greedy! )

  64. Rockphin says:

    we still have a better than average chance to come away with a good / great QB this draft.


    The Best QB of the bunch went the last pick of the 1st round.

  65. Rockphin says:

    Follow Follow @schadjoe
    Since 1960, no NFL QB has had more than Ryan Tannehill’s 6 games with a passer rating of 130+. Tannehill did it in 10 regular-season starts.

    10:29 AM – 14 Jan 2020

    Hmmmm Just a fluke I guess right?

  66. Rockphin says:

    Joe Schad

    Sammy Baugh, Joe Montana and Ryan Tannehill are the only QBs in NFL history to complete 70 percent of passes with at least 9 yards per attempt in a season.

    Pretty Elite company for a bum

  67. stangerx says:

    An LSU official claims that cash was fake….. but even if so OBJ had to know he was causing trouble.

  68. steveccnv says:

    7-14 88 yards, 8-15 72 yards. Those playoff stats seem to be a recipe for disaster pretty soon.

    We all know RT can put up decent numbers, but there’s a reason he was able to complete 70% of his passes with 6 games of 130+ rating, Henry. There’s also a reason why they’re running Henry so many times a game.

    You need more than just a great running game to win an SB, for that reason I think the buck stops here.

  69. Mike E. says:

    Has Tannehill thrown enough passes to qualify for whatever Rock is gushing about? Just wondering . . .

  70. Rockphin says:

    I’ve got a gusher for you Mike E


  71. Mike E. says:

    Rock – Is Joe Schad posting them here? 😀

  72. Mike E. says:

    Rocko – Can we agree that Tannehill is just in a really good situation in TEN? Be honest, if they were playing in a game like the Chiefs and Texans played, do you really believe Tannehill would be able to dig his team out of a 24-0 hole? You might actually, but I don’t think that’s what he’s about.

  73. D says:

    Senior bowl looks like a really good list of players. This year, when i start getting some news coming back from the practices ill let you guys know, but im feeling this is going to be a talented bunch, and probably have a lot of standouts.

  74. naplesfan2010 says:

    Concerning Tannehill
    If you did not get a good look at that long TD pass, go find that clip.
    It was officially about a 46-yd TD pass,
    but it was not the type where the ball is thrown to the WR who runs it in for the score.

    This one was caught at least 6 yards deep in the End Zone.
    Tannehill threw that ball about 60 yards on a line drive trajectory.

    There are not many people in the Solar System who can physically do that,
    and it was accurate to the half inch.


    • D says:

      Its was a bit overthrown. I saw the play and he did throw a very good pass, but Smith also made a very good catch too. Smaller receiver and that would have been incomplete. I dont think there is any reason to talk up or down Tanny at this point.

      The facts are he is playing better than he ever did for us, and the other fact is he isnt having to carry the team so he is at his best, which was the case when he was here too. He is a good QB to manage a game, give you a few exciting throws, and keep the defense honest with a strong running game behind him and good protection in front.

      There is no denying though that a person how has 14-15 attempts isnt as involved in a game as a person who has 30-35 carries. I mean if there was a back who was a grinder and he scores three TDs in a game but only rushes for 15 yards, and another back that has 185 yards rushing but no TD’s, you wouldnt at all give credit to the back that punched it in from short yardage over the back that got them into those scoring positions with his 185 would ya? Same thing here, Tanny is doing his part, he doesnt have to carry the team, he just has to do his part and keep the defense from being able to stack the box.

      He’s doing that, he is being successful, but he hasnt magically transformed into an elite QB, and he hasn’t shown us that we are inept for not having the same success with him. We actually did for those games when Ajayi rushed for 200+ yards, and when the running game was a threat, he looked pretty good with us too.

      The only reason i’m irritated by some of this overblown worship of him is that i know you guys are reasonable people and i know you all have solid football knowledge, so i know you know what your saying isnt logical or accurate. I get it, you love the guy, Tim even named his testicles after him, but come on admit it, the guy is in a great situation and making the best of it, and that’s it.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        Tannehill threw 2 TD passes and ran for a 3rd TD.
        He accounted for 3 of their 4 TDs.
        He also ran for 3 first downs.

        What I am saying is logical and accurate.

  75. D says:

    stangerx says:
    January 14, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Would actually be legal if he gave real cash to seniors, but he gave to two juniors as well.
    He can give it to any of them that have declared for the draft. They are officially pro’s at that point.

    • stangerx says:

      Most true. The article I read made a big deal out of the two juniors and tried to clear it up with was fake cash….. but have no idea if they had declared or not.

  76. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    January 14, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    I’ve got a gusher for you Mike E

    Leave my moniker out of this lol

  77. The Flying Pig says:

    • D says:

      They should have never re-instated the victories to Paterno and i feel like they should have gotten the death penalty for their program. I really feel like those kids never got truly vindicated because they still care too much for the program and not enough for the kids. Ill even say it about my own team, if they had been involved in that level of shit, id want the same for them, id be ashamed to be a fan of PSU.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I dont really want to see the death penalty for any program. There’s a lot of good things to come in keeping programs alive even if they’ve been involved in regrettable incidents

        I hear you though. Kind of seems like the victims deserved more than what they received

        I don’t know the details of this beyond the headline. No ready to pass judgment on the program if some players said some insensitive things and that’s the worst of it.

        It’s just a bad look for penn state

    • Tim Knight says:

      Wow Penn State really needs this. SMH

  78. D says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 5: Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia (A)
    Round 1 Pick 18: Rashard Lawrence, DT/DE, LSU (B-)
    Round 1 Pick 26: Yetur Gross-Matos, DE/OLB, Penn State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 5: Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia (A)
    Round 2 Pick 24: Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 5: Jordan Love, QB, Utah State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 17: Patrick Queen, OLB, LSU (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 5: Cameron Dantzler, CB, Mississippi State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 17: Michael Pittman, WR, USC (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 31: Lamical Perine, RB, Florida (A+)

  79. D says:

    Maybe not a permanent death penalty but certainly if SMU gets their program taken away for a chunk of time, something like this certainly deserves a chunk of time to let the sports program see if they can find there way back to whats important. You know in law when a precedence is set, other cases use it to determine the best action to be taken in others, and imo they did a lot less for a less severe issue of paying players than rape of children. I lost all respect or empathy for that program.

  80. stangerx says:

    Maybe I’m from the old school days, but nothing in the Penn State article really shocks me. Wasn’t on one of my teams, but for the hockey freshmen in college included clippers down low before manscaping was a thing. And anyone know that an “atomic sit up” is?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      It might just be sensationalism

      I saw a TMZ version of the story
      And if it is circulating via TMZ, it’s probably click bait

      • stangerx says:

        I’m guessing as usual a slimy lawyer was involved. 🙂

        Seems the guy’s real beef was what came later in the story — he thought the coaches on the team blackballed him, including about transferring. But the sexual harassment stuff gets TMZ and the media to pay attention.

    • New Age says:

      Lots of that stuff is beyond childish if true but we’re only seeing one side of the story. The other side is this guy wasn’t good enough, his dad complained because he thinks differently, and they cried to anyone who would listen. We won’t be seeing this guy on Sundays…and I’m sure he will blame someone for that too.

      I think “I’m going to Sandusky you” is hilarious especially between male athletes in football. Some people are too sensitive for the game.

      • stangerx says:

        Sorta did remind my of Jonathan Martin , but then there was a lawsuit involved. People throw in stuff that was no big to deal them at the time.

  81. CavalierKong says:

    “I get it, you love the guy, Tim even named his testicles after him…”

    LMAO! That’s hilarious. I must have missed that episode of ‘As Finsmobunleashed Turns’

  82. Rockphin says:

    Mike, absolutely we can agree he is in an excellent position in Tenn. I just think you and others just aren’t giving him the credit due. He absolutely benefits from playing behind a good O line and having an awesome running back BUT THEY are fortunate to have him and have benefited from having him under center. I’m am not the only one who thinks so.

    Yes I believe he can throw for 400 yards and 3 TD’s if he needs to. I’ve seen him do it.

    I just leave this here.


    • New Age says:

      What is the endgame here? I think everyone thinks he’s doing fine and wishes him success. He’s not here though, so I really don’t care too much and I don’t know why anyone outside of Tennessee would. I know for Mando and the media hypocrites, they love the drama of we missed on another one! They forget all the guys like Wake who have done almost nothing but that doesn’t fit narrative.

      Tannehill wasn’t a good fit for what we wanted to do this year. He was for Tennessee and that’s awesome. Maybe he can extend his career for a lot longer but I have no desire to pine after another team’s players at this point. He’s a limited QB but very good for what Tennessee needs.

  83. Rockphin says:

    Coincidentally Henry got better when Tannehill took over as starter. But let’s not pretend that Henry got 30 caries per game. He averaged 20.2 touches. Tannehill averaged 26 passes per game. The offense that Tenn called was BALANCED and VERY efficient. Both in the pass and run game.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think the comparison was more about the playoffs, where Henry had more Carrie’s and RT threw 14 and 15 passes.

  84. Tim Knight says:

    I’m not playing dumb, that comment came out of left field and I have no idea where it came from. No biggie.

  85. Rockphin says:

    and piggy, end game?

    I am wasting time blogging with a bunch of guys, a gal, a dog and a pig

    What possible end game could there be?

    If you guys don’t want me to post about it, I’ll go away without getting in my feelings about it

  86. naplesfan2010 says:

    If Tennessee wins this week (I don’t think they will, but …)
    Then Tannehill will be the Super Bowl QB for the AFC in Miami Stadium
    in a year where the majority of his paycheck comes from the Dolphins.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Oh the irony….

    • D says:

      Tim, it was something i said earlier, i just threw in a little joke into my post. You have to remember me accusing you of Tanny being your love child, because of all the love you heaped on him for years, it was just a play on that lol.

      • D says:

        opps not meant to be a reply but its at the bottom currently so meh.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Oh okay. If it was a post about Tannehill I skipped it because I’m not not interested in going back and forth about him. I’m just happy for the guy. I don’t think all of a sudden the light went on or anything. I think he’s just part of a nice run by the Titans.

      • steveccnv says:

        I think RT got healthy too, his last yr here he wasn’t quite right. Before his injury he was coming into his own.

  87. D says:

    New Age says:
    January 14, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    So…going from left to right, I guess lefty is Ryan? That’s very strange Tim……
    I seem to remember him saying something about the left one being on a loose chain so to speak, so right one is Ryan and the Left one is Tannehanger.

  88. New Age says:


    I said endgame and I just don’t understand the comments I guess. I agree that Tanny has gotten crapped on a lot over the years but going in the opposite direction seems far fetched as well. You posted tweets by Joe Schad that he’s using to promote his propaganda. I wouldn’t ever compare Tannehill to Montana or Baugh. The game is too different but he’s not at their level. He never will be. The 130+ rating means almost nothing in a vacuum. It’s one of those selective nothing-burger stats that need more info to be valuable. He could throw 10 passes and get that rating.

    Tannehill has been very good this year. He’s been extremely valuable to the Titans and helped them win enough to be in the AFC championship. He’s thrown some awesome passes, and been the primary mover in some of their wins. He’s not been a negative all this year. At the same time…

    He’s not elite. His team did not go to him as their rock during the playoffs. He hasn’t broke 100 yards passing in either game. He hasn’t had a 55% completion rate in either playoff game. He’s been a complementary player. A good one but just a complementary player. That’s all he is when the going gets really tough. Sure, many QBs are in the same boat but I don’t see where anyone has been unfair to him. He’s not elite at all. He’s barely above JAG for NFL standards. The Titans extend him more than two years at their peril.

  89. The Flying Pig says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I really would love it if he somehow fell to 18

      But right now I think most projections have him going before 18

  90. son of a son of a shula says:

    On this date 47 years ago in 1973 the Miami Dolphins completed the perfect season beating Washington 14-7 in Super Bowl IIV. 17-0, still the only undefeated team in NFL history.
    It was 46 years ago to the date yesterday in 1974 that the Dolphins beat the Vikings to win their 2nd consecutive Super Bowl. Csonka Bowl 24-7. (33 carries,145 yds and 2 touchdowns -MVP)

  91. Mike E. says:

    Rocko – I agree with you, they are definitely lucky to have him, never disputed that. Mariota was garbage and Tannehill is light years better them. He is doing exactly what they need him to do, and mind you, he’s doing it extremely well.

  92. olddolphan says:

    Been off the board for more than a week due to the F.U.N. Convention last week in Orlando and also because our computer stopped working a for a few days (beginning Sunday). Our state numismatic organization (Florida United Numismatists, a.k.a. “FUN,”) just completed its 65th annual winter convention. It was a smashing hit, with nearly 1,000 tables and many thousands of attendees. STILL tired from the hectic pace of the big show. But I take some pride in completing my 41st straight year on the board of directors, including 4 straight years as president. NOW I need to sit back and relax. But our certification service is ultra busy right now. And Mrs. OD still needs my help getting around to doctor’s appointments, etc. That said, I am truly blessed to still be able to do all this.
    NOW back to the Dolphins!!
    The Titans win over the big, bad, Ravens reminded me of the rumbling Dolphins in the Early 70’s. Less than 100 yards passing. And a ton of yards rushing!! WHAT MEMORIES!!
    Former Dolphin and former FAU kicker Greg Joseph is now kicking for Tennessee. And Aziz Al-Shaiar, former star LB at FAU, is now playing for the 49ers (while also raising 3 of his siblings as he did while at FAU). I’d say he has a “Full Plate” to deal with!
    Talk to you folks tomorrow.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      “Cleaned out in way that it’s never been cleaned up out before”…

      Did they throw out his tampons

      What does that mean? It literally says suites are routinely cleaned out at the end of the season in the next paragraph

      Did they finally clean out a hard to reach corner this year?

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Lol…Maybe Gazelle cleaned it out for the first time. Threw out the trash and caught it too.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Routinely cleaned out like Tom routinely Smashes his cell phones when he gets tired of them ?

  93. Tim Knight says:

  94. pheloniusphish says:

    For those who think the Chiefs are a lock, remember that Tennessee beat them in the regular season.

  95. Tim Knight says:

    Football always comes back to mano-a-mano. Match-ups and skill, not trickery – maybe once or twice a game. But you win because each guy does his job and beats his opponent.

    In the aftermath of the Ravens loss to the Titans, pundits were still talking about Lamar Jackson’s stats. Did anyone watch the game? Those yards meant nothing. 12 points!!! Lamar and the Ravens got outplayed physically all day by the Titans. They were out-coached too.

    • steveccnv says:

      His passes early in the game were so bad, fluttering out late and off target. The 3 weeks since his last game made him look like his first pass of preseason game one.

      Harbaugh deserves a lot of blame for not playing him week 17, knowing they already were going to be off the next week.

  96. D says:

    So you are a collector who pays money to collect pieces of money that will never be spent?

    • stangerx says:

      @D — he’s the guy who collectors pay money to evaluate their pieces of money. Like an expert on Antiques Roadshow.

  97. D says:

    Very young age to retire, but as a song about once taught me, you gotta know when to walk away and know when to run. Better to be early than late to retire in the NFL

  98. D says:

    Yeah I look at the future for Tannehill and I see the Titans as his best place, they will most likely try to extend him a couple of years at probably something in the range of 20mil per and begin preparation to draft a guy behind him that can be ready in a couple years to take over. I don’t see him being a franchise solution for them. I wouldn’t doubt they could make the playoffs again during those two years too, but I bet by the end of that extension they will be making a QB change. Thank me will tell but there really isn’t any reason to believe it will be anything more. I’d like for he and the Titans to get a Superbowl to be honest, I just hate the months of I told you he is the greatest ever stuff that will roll around this board for the entire off-season if not for years to come

    • D says:

      Time will tell, dunno where thank me can in. Phones do crazy shit with the autocorrect.

    • steveccnv says:

      Let alone the BS, the usual suspects, like the bearded coconut will spew. Especially with the game being in Miami.

      I’d bet Ryan’s former teammates are pulling for him too.

  99. olddolphan says:

    47 YEARS AGO TODAY I WAS recovering from the worst hangover of my life. The day before, our beloved Dolphins had just completed the one and only PERFECT SEASON!! The date was January 14, 1973. And I celebrated — boy, did I celebrate. A friend said, “Isn’t tomorrow your birthday?” I responded “YES!” He suggested that we just keep drinking and celebrating for ANOTHER DAY!!!!!.

    Well by the end of January 15, I was in “Recovery Mode!” And, yes, today, January 15, is my birthday AGAIN. It will always be special to me because of what it commemorates.

    100 NFL seasons. ONE PERFECT SEASON!! I tip my hat, again, to all those players & coaches who made the Perfect Season a reality. And, THIS TIME, I’ll celebrate it with ONE glass of wine!

    GONNA BE A GREAT DAY!!! And who better to celebrate it with than my beloved Mrs. OD? –I am so-o-o lucky!!

  100. son of a son of a shula says:

    Happy Birthday OD

  101. The Flying Pig says:

    Happy Birthday OD

  102. Mike E. says:

    Happy Birthday OD!!!

  103. steveccnv says:

    Red Sox fire Cora🤔

    Who woulda thunk it, cheating in Boston.

  104. steveccnv says:

    Happy Birthday OD🎂

  105. pheloniusphish says:

    You lot are boring me today. You are supposed to entertain.

  106. D says:

    Happy 200th birthday OD!

  107. pheloniusphish says:

    Who knew Piggy was into rafting?


    • D says:

      I did, he told us about his white water rafting trips with this new group of special friends he made a while back.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If it weren’t for these new streamlined feathers on my wings, I would never be able to manage my day job in nyc with my rafting job in Montana

      Luckily, these streamlined wings, a running start off the Empire State Building and some well time gusts of wind get me back and forth so I can manage both

  108. stangerx says:

    Happy B-Day OD 🙂

  109. D says:

    stangerx says:
    January 15, 2020 at 10:38 am
    @D — he’s the guy who collectors pay money to evaluate their pieces of money. Like an expert on Antiques Roadshow.

    Ah well that’s pretty cool

  110. Rockphin says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    January 15, 2020 at 10:37 am
    You lot are boring me today. You are supposed to entertain.


    The censors on here cracked down on what I am allowed to talk about so do you have an approved subject that you prefer that will be entertaining?

  111. Rockphin says:

    Herbert of Tua?

    I am in the Herbert court. I only have watched highlights of each, but it seems that no one has challenged Tua (at least in the highlight videos) his receivers always seem to have 5-10 yards separation and Tua just chucks it to them. (not precision passing)

    Herbert may have played against lesser competition, but his surrounding cast seems less than Tua’s as well. Tua has three of the top 10 ranked WR’s in college. (Jeudy #1, Ruggs #5, Smith #9) while you have to scroll all the way down to #47 to find Juwan Johnson an there are no others in the top 100.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Herbert is a good prospect with a chance IMO to be a special QB

      But that’s an unpopular opinion

      I think Tua is a better prospect

      But being a “better prospect” at the end of the day means nothing

      I would be very happy if we drafted Herbert, along with a RB and drafted it signed multiple OL

      But unfortunately Hebert seems so hated by the “tank for Tua” crowd, that he’s going to be unfairly judged the moment he is drafted

      I don’t judge Tua just bc some of his fans say everyone else sucks

      But I also keep a very open mind to who we may draft and I think this draft has multiple options

  112. Rockphin says:

    I didn’t realize that Herbert played in three different systems in four years at Oregon. He had the same coach and system his junior and senior years.

  113. Rockphin says:

    Happy Birthday OD!

    Hey how much is the quarter worth?
    OD: $0.25

  114. Rockphin says:

    Barry Jackson

    Verified account

    Follow Follow @flasportsbuzz
    Per source, Dolphins new offensive line coach will be Steve Marshall

    10:22 AM – 15 Jan 2020

  115. D says:

    Tua is definitely the better prospect, there really is no comparison in the two that makes it a close choice. The only real issue is concern over Tua’s injury, and in my opinion it only depends on if the injury isnt healing right. With advances in modern medicine, the recover from injuries such as his really leaves no cause for concern for re-aggravation of the injury as long as there are no scar tissue problems or degradation in the meniscus, etc. Both these worries would be able to be determined by medical personnel at combine so im not really worried about it as long as he is cleared.

    I don’t think though its our opinion on the players that matter much its on the coaches and FO guys to determine who they would rather take, or if there is even any QB on the board they want to select at 5. There are so many different ways we could go, im certain of only one thing: The guy we pick at 5 is going to be a awesome addition to the team.

  116. Rockphin says:


    On December 18, 2018, Marshall was announced as an offensive line coach for the Memphis Express in the Alliance of American Football.

    A highschool coach, two guys that have never coached their positiion in the NFL and now an arena league offensive line coach. (do they have offensive lines in arena ball? LOL)

    Boy this is looking good. (Eye roll)

    • D says:

      You do realize that there are a lot of OL coaches in the NFL but probably very few that are doing a great job that they want to make a lateral move to be ours. We are going to have to take a chance on some of these guys, because our choices are, OL coaches no one wants or OL coaches with no experience.

  117. Tim Knight says:

    Happy Birthday OD!!!!

  118. naplesfan2010 says:

    Happy Birthday OD. Celebrate all weekend, man.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Why does that look so funny typed out?
      It doesn’t feel like it sounds funny when I say
      “See ya, man.”
      but it looks really weird on the screen.

  119. D says:

    My issue with Herbert is he really breaks down when pressured. I know that most QB do worse under pressure, but he loses composure, which is a bad trait. Can he change and work that out out? Sure, so i wouldn’t be worried about it affecting him long term. Some confidence has to be put in the development of a guy with his other positive traits. If the coaches select him at 5, over Tua, then he was worth the pick, and the people that matter most thought he was the best guy, its that simple.

  120. naplesfan2010 says:

    Hey Od, I have a 1881 Silver dollar in excellent condition.
    Is it worth anything?

  121. naplesfan2010 says:

    We have about 82 players on our roster right now.
    As you all know, 90 is the off-season limit.
    I don’t remember having so many at this time of year in the past.

    PS: I am glad we resigned Rudock as I feel he has a chance to develop.

    • Rockphin says:

      Does that include all the guys we signed to “Futures” contracts the day after the regular season ended?

      • Rockphin says:

        linebacker Jake Carlock,
        linebacker Terrill Hanks,
        wide receiver Andy Jones,
        tight end Chris Myarick,
        tackle Chidi Okeke, defensive
        tackle Durval Queiroz Neto,
        wide receiver T.J. Rahming
        wide receiver Terry Wright.

        Is that Big Brazilian guy still on the team (Defensive linemen that the Dolphins were switching to O line?)

      • Rockphin says:

        nevermind, yes, he is right there in the list you posted numbscull!

      • D says:

        Glad you called you out on it before i could.

  122. Rockphin says:

    Barry Jackson

    NEW: All the details on the Dolphins’ new offensive line coach, Steve Marshall: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article239318848.html

  123. Rockphin says:

    OK, he has worked with Gailey and does have experience.
    From Barry Jackson’s Article

    Marshall has spent 40 years coaching offensive linemen and has worked 10 seasons in the NFL, most recently as the Jets’ offensive line coach from 2015 through 2017, where he was a colleague of Chan Gailey, the Dolphins’ new offensive coordinator. Marshall was among several offensive coaches dismissed by the Jets after the 2017 season.

    In his past six seasons coaching in the NFL, his offensive line units ranked in the top 10 in the league in sacks allowed four times and in the top half of the league five times.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I knew his name sounded familiar.

    • sb7mvp says:

      I cant tell if that’s good or bad. Did his teams allow the most sacks or not allow the most sacks. The way its worded sounds bad

    • stangerx says:

      There’s the answer — “where he was a colleague of Chan Gailey, the Dolphins’ new offensive coordinator.” Seems like “My guys” is a theme on this team now. Not saying wrong or right….. and is an advantage to people you’ve worked with.

  124. wyoming85 says:

  125. Tim Knight says:

    So it seems that all the coaching vacancies have been filled so now it’s time to prepare for FA and the draft. That will be here before we know it.

  126. wyoming85 says:

    What a fucking pariah!

  127. son of a son of a shula says:

    Rock, (agreeing with you scares me first of all) I also like Herbert over Tua. Every time I watch Tua I keep waiting to see all this supposed greatness and I just don’t. He’s really good but so are a lot of other guys. So he’s BFD (big fucking deal) AND he’s a leftie. Herbert is a gamer and he likes to play physical, arm, leader and he’s very smart. Has a lot of starts too.

    Burrow is the real deal. He’d be worth what it would take to get him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Maybe I don’t know what I’m watching but I feel the same way as you do when I watch Tua. I don’t see him make contested throws. He usually has time for receivers to not only come open but wide open. I’m not knocking his football IQ or his ability to move around and buy time and make positive plays. My concern has always been when he doesn’t have that kind of time and wide open, how good is he? That and he’s not the biggest guy who has already dealt with multiple injuries in college.

      In comparison I see Burrow make NFL type throws in tight windows. I see NFL QB in him when I watch him. He looks refined. It’s not a bias thing because I have no fandom for their teams, bias or anything. Just going by what I see.

      • steveccnv says:

        Fair enough, but how did you rate Lamar Jackson? I think Tua surely has a better arm, and he can move around with the best if them, not sure he can run like Lamar, but close enough. I think the disparity in passing abilities is greater than in run abilities.

        Why do you think guys like Lamar and Tua always seem to have guys wide open? Couldn’t have anything to do with their running abilty.

  128. Tim Knight says:

  129. Tim Knight says:

    Mando and his silliness getting schooled by people who know more about the guy than him.

  130. Tim Knight says:

    Here’s a thought I had about Flores hiring some young coaches or guys who have never coached at a high level. Coaches in football know about each other all over the country for all different reasons. They’re in the same biz just like Hollywood or the music scene. Networking and connections.

    What’s the next phase of players for the Dolphins? Young players! We did go a bit old school with Gailey and Marshall on offense, but we’re super young on defense. Interesting! Thoughts?

  131. Mike E. says:


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