Creating a depth chart at this juncture is really an exercise in futility because odds are we will be changing personnel there both from free agency and then the draft and also because the uncertainty of whether long time S Reshad Jones will return. This is how I see it if Reshad comes back.
S – Eric Rowe , Bobby McCain
S – Reshad Jones, Stephen Parker
In free agency there are a lot of older safeties on the market but there a few younger ones that might be able to help. Damarious Randall has played CB and S for both GB and the Browns, the last 2 years at safety with the Browns. Justin Simmons is a big safety at 6’2 220 and has played both FS and SS. Simmons has 11 INT’s for the Broncos in 4 seasons and last year which is arguably his best season he had 15 pass break ups. Anthony Harris who played for the Vikings for the last 4 seasons played his last season exclusively at safety after splitting time the previous seasons at CB and S. He also had his best season with 6 INT’s. HaHa Clinton-Dix is also a FA and has toiled at S for the Packers, Skins and Bears. He’s only 27, I thought he was older. Tre Boston is also available. Our own Walt Aikens is a FA and I won’t be surprised in the least if he returns here, mostly as a special teams ace.
In the draft, we will have a shot at the best safeties but as you know, we have higher priorities on other positions so I don’t expect us to take a safety until at least the 2nd RD. Supposedly there is a big drop in talent after the first tier. Xavier McKinney from Alabama and Grant Delpit from LSU are the 2 highest rater with McKinney at the top, followed by Antoine Winfield who is only 5’9 with short arms. Ashtyn Davis, Kyle Dugger and Julian Blackmon round out the field.
An awful lot will depend on whether the Dolphins want Reshad back and whether he has the desire to return this season. It seems as though the Bobby McCain experiment is over and he will return to nickel corner which leaves us pretty thin at the position.There are so many more safeties that Flores might have his eye on both in FA and the draft, but we do need to get some depth there for sure and if Reshad isn’t back, a starting caliber player for sure.
Have any of you seen the renderings of the draft stage in Las Vegas? Insane! They’re creating a stage in the fountains at the Bellagio and supposedly they’re going to have a boat bring the Prospects to the stage when they’re name is called. Here’s a pic of the stage that they might build.
GO DOLPHINS!!
#staythecourse
Finsmob Unleashed 
Pork confession
I’ve barely looked at the safety class this year
(Piggy buries his head in the mid in shame)
As atonement for this you must sing “Safety Dance” at the next Fest in its entirety.
NFL.com’s post combine “Final Grades” are up now. Tua just cracks the top 10 at #10. Young, Brown, Okudah, Simmons and Burrow round out the top 5. Chase Young the highest graded player at 7.4 which translates in their grading system as a perennial All-Pro
Son, your welcome and good to see you!
I know I hyped Khalil Davis a little yesterday but, TBH, I never watched any of his game tape. So I went back and watched his 2018 game tape against Wisconsin. He did improve for 2018 to 2019 but that game tape was not very good. Granted it was against that Wisconsin OL but he got washed out on nearly every running play. He is quick but with his short arm he struggled to keep himself clean from blockers. By the time he would shed the blocker he gives up several yards of ground taking himself out of the play. Don’t think he would be a good fit for us as they say he would be much better in a 4-3.
Nebraska played a 3-4
Good stuff, thanks!!
That’s what I was saying about Ngakoue. Maybe I’m GM material after all!
Well done Mike E. What I sorta of like about the safety situation is Eric Rowe. He’s one of those nuggets we dug up during the burn down season. So one slot filed. Two if Jones stays, even if for sure pick up a young buck or two on the lower end even if he does.
We sign someone legit in FA and means Jones is gone though.
Thanks Stanger. Rowe did really well here especially when they moved him to safety. It’s a good story because he’s one of those tweeners like so many before him like our own Jason Allen. He’s another NE castoff like Jomal Wiltz who got a chance and did well, more so with Rowe.
Really hoping Miami targets Shaq Lawson in FA. As a non starter this year for Buffalo he had 6.5 sacks, 13TFL’s & 18 QB hits. He fits the youth movement and wouldn’t break the bank.
I think Lawson would be OK here but honestly I’d like them to get a guy who will make a bigger impact.
I honestly think they will try and get solid all around edge guys and try to land the “impact” edge in the draft. In regards to Yanni specifically I would believe under the previous regime there’d be great chance he’d be here, but I don’t see it now. Once again just my opinion.
I could see them try to buy low on Vic Beasley & try to reinvigorate his career.
I agree with all of these posts Dbolt.
When was the last time Belicheat had a guy that was leading the league in sacks?
He likes well rounded effort players that are smart and tough.
I wonder if we’ll be a team that is ready to pounce on some FAs as soon as it starts or will we avoid the frenzy?
If you aren’t part of the initial frenzy you are likely working with a guy who has several offers and you have no assurance you get him, or you just aren’t going to be a big player. I think we al.ost have to have at least a couple guys right off in the frenzy period.
I agree. I think we probably have at least two on the radar from the get go. My guess is OL and Edge but this time of year is always filled with surprises. LOL
Have we not learned anything the past 20 years? A 5-11 team shouldn’t be trying to get rich quick. Wait until after the first wave and sign bargain FAs, guys that can play, but won’t break the cap in years to come.
i think we may have to pounce on FA, not sure where we stand in the salary cap floor but we sure have a lot of money and it needs to get spent to avoid losing draft picks.
If spending money is an issue you can also front load the contract, but I’d doubt that happens.
Don’t worry about not spending the money, they will. We may sign 10 or 15 FAs from other teams at good for us contracts, that’s the Belicheat way.
I don’t think the speed in which we approach players we’re interested in is important, it’s the amount of money we offer. Obviously if want someone we have to contact them immediately, but if the offer isn’t what they’re looking for they’re going to keep looking.
I would like this very much.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105216/article/cynthia-frelund-2020-nfl-mock-draft-who-would-analytics-pick
So not happening though
Don’t crush my dreams
Yeah I saw that the other day. It’s an analytics draft. O actually agree for all the teams that’s the smartest moves, but again, there’s what’s smart and then there is the NFL
Tom Brady to Miami???
I’d root for the Pat’s twice a year, if that happened.
Then again, it sure would fun to watch him get crushed behind our OL😉
if we are able to get Conklin, could that be a sign we are drafting Tua? The Right tackle would protect Tuas blind side.
Sounds logical, but how do you put the cart before the horse?
5th pick non-QB options.
Among the players scouts seem to agree are worthy of consideration in that area are cornerback Jeff Okudah (Ohio State), offensive tackle Andrew Thomas (Georgia) and linebacker Isaiah Simmons (Clemson).
Unless Tua is there, take one of these or one of the guys that falls.
Brady wants to win championships, not be part of a rebuild. There are really only a couple of teams that make sense IMO. The Niners make the most sense and that talk has been gaining traction. If they are willing to move away from Garoppolo, then I’d put my money on Brady signing there. It’s a complete team, that just needs some elevated QB play
How ironic would that be? Brady wanted Jimmy G gone from the Pats (and Bill B wanted to keep him). Then Brady takes Garoppolo’s place on his new team.
I don’t see how it makes sense, at least from the Niners perspective. Jimmy G already knows this offense and all he does is win. He’s 12 years younger, and Brady at 42 learning a new offense is no guarantee to be better than Jimmy G. If SF makes that trade I hope Brady either . . .
A) Gets hurt week 1
B) Brady just sucks and throws at least 2-3 INT’s the first 5 games before they sit him down.
Not much different than any other year come to think of it.
” ESPN is preparing to offer Peyton Manning $18 to $20 million per year to serve as lead analyst on “Monday Night Football,” — hope that report is right. Would love to have Gumby in the booth.
Me too, and I hope they throw in a few mil for Eli too. That would be a lot of fun
Know I’m prejudiced. But if Peyton gets $20 mil am guessing Eli is worth $8 mil.
Anyone beats what they have now in the MNF booth, even Witten. I used to hate Manning, but seemed to like him more once Marino made some comments about him, and now really like him.
I’ve seen Archie play in the OB, but neither of his sons.
Is MNF the one that has ‘Booger’? That guy is one of the most clueless announcers I’ve ever listened to, lol.
Booger is the NFL version of Charles Barkley, though I kinda like Charles better
You have to be quicker in what you are saying to get it out before it’s irrelevant and bright one of them were good about that
I haven’t watched Barkley in a long time, but i found him amusing. Booger just struck me as idiotically unentertaining, lol, but I can see the comparison.
I hope we get Conklin in FA or Will’s in draft, or both. LT is still important no matter if Tua is a lefty. Both OT position are very important these days.
Mike,
There is a lot of talk around here that Niners decision makers are not thrilled with Jimmy G as their QB. Whether true or not I don’t know, but I know every Niner friend I have has said they’d sign Brady at the expense of Garppolo in a heartbeat. And anyone that watched their games last year knows Garoppolo didn’t elevate the team in any way. He was purely a game manager. Half the QBs in the league could have done as much. Brady certainly could have. Garoppolo could have put all that talk to rest with one scoring drive in the 4th quarter of the SB, but he didn’t get it done.
So if the scuttlebutt is true, then the Niners can sign Brady, trade Garoppolo to a QB starved team for a 1st or a 2nd, and drop a HOF QB into a ready-made SB team. Obviously, if they expect him to be their QB of the future, then it doesn’t make sense. It’s all speculation based on what the Niners think of Jimmy G.
They might do that and yeah a place Brady might want to land, but if it happens no way does Garppolo get a first in a trade. How damaged could the goods be?
In a QB starved league you never know. As I say below, I wouldn’t trade for him., certainly wouldn’t trade a 1st. probably makes my points below irrelevant, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see it.
I’ll take Jimmy G for one of our 2nds right now…… but then don’t think will happen either. But I’d keep him, Rosen and Fitz all on the roster next year. That would be interesting.
Furthermore, if the Niners do pick up an extra 1st from say…the Chargers, the Lions or even the Dolphins then that team gets their new QB (buyer beware), the Niners could then use that pick to sign their own young QB who can then learn under Brady. Again though, it all starts with the Niners rumors.
I just hope if this large chain of supposition goes down, WE aren’t the ones making that trade, because as I said above, Garoppolo didn’t impress me last year. And I was one who thought a couple of years ago that he was going to be a stud QB.
Shaq barret may be tagged
Mcourtnet.tunney.karas.logan ryan. Some of these pats and former pats may be dolphins soon. One thing they all have in common is part of the culture that the pats had with flores and co
It would be nice to steal some of the talent off that team for a change instead of the other way around.
I heard that if they dont reach a new cba deal teams will have an extra tag taking some of the fas off the market
It’s a lot to pay 2 tags.
Can the league unilaterally do that? I would think an extra tag would have to be collectively bargained?
They will have the Franchise tag and the transition tag. New CBA does away with the transition.
Ohh, I gotcha. Thanks
Get in your place and wash your hands first stop. This bug is scary. You might just get sorta sick, but you could save someone else’s life.
Scenario:
Remember when the Texans traded Brock Osweiller and a second round pick for a 4th round pick to the Browns just to get them to get him off their books?
Jaguars want to get rid of Nick Foles and his contract. We could offer Jaguars Rosen for Foles and their 2nd first round pick (#20). We would have Foles to backup Fitz in 2020. Then have Foles take over in 2021 along with drafting a rookie in 2021 (sell the farm for Lawrence). We then could release Foles after 2021 with no dead cap hit. The only dead cap in 2022 is his signing bonus which the Jaguars would still be on the hook for. We would have Foles for 2020 and 2021 at roughly 15 mil per year.
We would end up with 2 first round picks and a vet backup for 2 years.
What say ya?
Not feeling this one. We’re in phase II now and the idea should be to start reshaping your team to go up, not doing this sort of thing anymore.
I meant 4 first round picks and a vet back up
#5, #18, #20 and #26
I don’t think JAX would give up a 1st rd pick for Rosen and to take on Foles’ contract. If we’re offering them Rosen that means we don’t think much of him so why would they?
If we can’t turn this team around with the draft capital and cap space we already have then we have the wrong people in charge. It’s not all about 1st round picks, we all know good players are found in other rounds and we have a bunch of them too.
I applaud you thinking outside the box but I don’t think we need to be so extreme. We’re already in good shape to turn this team around. Now go do it. If we could win 5 of our last 9 last season with what we had, just imagine what we could do by adding a bunch of upgrades and top prospects.
Tim, Foles wouldn’t upgrade our QB room? Heck, we could even release him after 2020 and only have a 6.25 mil cap hit (there is a 5 mil roster bonus for 2021 not sure how/if that would affect dead money). Better yet, trade him for a pick in 2021.
I don’t think Foles is that good, he had a nice run with the Eagles but it wasn’t all him. They won as a team but QBs always get the credit with wins and losses. I don’t see it happening and I would not want to take on his contract. That and Fitz doesn’t need him in the QB room. I’d rather keep looking at young QBs from all angles. You never know, we might find “the guy” outside the 1st round.
Kong – I hope those fans get what they want so I can watch it crash and burn on them. I wouldn’t give up Garoppolo for Brady. Seemed to me like he was just playing in that offense as his coach wanted him to. Controlled rushing attack
Agreed. Brady does not fit Shanahan’s offense either – lots of bootlegs and play-action. As he gets older I don’t see him becoming quicker on the move or his arm strength getting better. Brady is not a good deep thrower unless he has all day in the pocket to wind up, take a few steps and launch the ball. He does what he does well, short and medium range passes. One of the reasons I’ve never thought he was the best QB. He’s a great QB in leadership and consistency. He’s also lived a charmed life due to others around him.
I can agree that Brady isn’t going to excel at bootlegs, but playaction short and medium passing with lots of RAC was the staple of the Niner passing game, not deep passing, and it’s all predicated on a zone blocking rushing attack. I think Brady would run this offense just fine.
Mike, I’m not a Niner fan so I don’t care one way or the other, just giving you a reason why it could make sense. The rumors could be coming from Brady’s people for all I know, but it has been all over the local sports talk shows.
Tim, thanks for your input on that. I kind of agree with you on the value of Foles. The scenario actually was not my idea but was an idea of someone on “thedraftnetwork”. They weren’t pointing toward us as making that deal but a possibility for a team to make that deal. I just took it and put us in that position.
Kong, I started to see a decline in Brady late last season. The Pats were always dominant at home. They lost to the Chiefs, Dolphins and Titans (playoffs) 3 of their last 4 home games. It wasn’t all on him, the entire team started to struggle. But so did he and he looked like he was wearing down.
Yeah, that is a really salient point in this conversation. I’m basing what I’m saying on the idea that he’s still physically capable (even if not at peak), but dude is 42 and he did look old, especially towards the end of the season.
He’ll be 43 in August. Time comes for everyone. just like the Grim Reaper. LOL
LOL @ Tim. True that.
Miami Dolphins showed a huge interest and paid a lot of attention to DT Derrick Brown at Auburn Pro Day today. I know they do that with many players in this process. I like this though!
Young, Brown, Simmons and Okudah are becoming universally the top prospects outside of the QBs. We have the chance to land one of them. Having 18 and 26 with two 2nd round picks is very rare on top of that. We have the chance to turn the entire team around for the better this year and next. Stay the course, it’s not that complicated. We’re not in a race to win it all this year. LOL
Yes! Yes! Yes!!! After Burrow and Chase Young, this is my top guy. Draft Brown at #5, trade up to get either Wirfs or Andrew Thomas, and call it a day. …day 1 that is.😉
Also, I hope that Gurley rumor trade happens. Then draft OL, DB, and RB in the 2nd round.
Use FA to get more OL, a pass rusher, and safety.
I’d rather add good players and build “our” team, rather than help other teams we have to compete with along the way.
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YOUNG STANGER: I just came across your nice comments about Pasquale and James.
Thanks for the kind words. It’s been a tough thing for me to handle.
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Y’all have a great evening. Better days are coming!
Kong – I think it’s just a short-sighted solution, and once again, I’m not convinced in any way that Brady would do more in that offense than Garoppolo. I think it’s just a perfect example of people just not appreciating what they have. It’s literally selling your soul to the devil. Desperate!
You do realize that despite his age, that was Jimmy G’s first full NFL season. While it wasn’t unbelievable, the offense didn’t require him to be. Still, he was solid, and the odds are excellent that he will get better, while Brady is so very clearly on the decline, and at his age, more likely to have his career ended with one shot. Like I said earlier, I just hope it happens, and I hope Brady either gets hurt or just stinks up the bay. On the flip side, I hope Garoppolo goes on to have a HOF career wherever he goes, they would deserve that.
BTW – Love Don’t Fear the Reaper
great link Mike. Amazing that Grier and Flores were allowed to start a day early and do an install while watching the prospects in the “classroom.” That’s intense for the kids and very informative for our coaches.
Buried in another link is a story that says J’Marcus Webb is a FA and he’ll be hitting the market. The writer’s source thinks he will not be invited back for 2020. He gave up 7 sacks in about 8 games and was inactive for the last 2 games of the year, both victories without him at OT.
Whether in FA or the draft (or trades or “buying a player”) I think we MUST get either 2 starting OTs or 1 LT and a starting OG, depending on if they think Jesse Davis can start at either RG or RT.
While both Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw would be great players to get, I think we need 2 starters at Edge Rusher more than we need interior DL.
Now if we are going to play Wilkins more as a 5-tech DE, then we do need another DT, but I think we can wait on that till next year.
Our pass rush was the worst in the NFL last year, so we must start right now to fix that. We also gave up the edge on run plays way too much. So DEs or OLBs that can rush the passer without bailing on the run game is what we need.
However, with several teams tagging their edge guys and ppl like Ngakoue being notoriously weak holding the point of attack against the run, it seems there is a dearth of quality FAs at that position.
In the draft, most of the rushers have slid down, except for Chaisson maybe, while there are at least 11 excellent DTs in the top 100 in this draft, so maybe we should just go with the flow of the draft and get our stud DL this year and shop for edge guys next year.
PS: There are 15 edge rushers in the top 100, but I feel they each have weaknesses.
Maybe that’s just me, but when you look at Taco, Charles Harris, Solomon, and the others from that draft class, it’s scary how bustable that position is.
Great article about the QBs.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/05/gms-coaches-scouts-breakdown-first-round-qb-draft-prospects?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sinow&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
MikeE., Thanks for that article! I knew they were there in force but could not find a good article about it yesterday afternoon.
Naples, with Burrow most likely off the board, I would like to see us draft the best defensive player available at #5. Chase Young will be gone also. I hope that pick is Brown, Simmons, or Okudah in that order.
I don’t think edge is the top priority over BPA at #5 or OL. If we were to add a disruptive DT like Brown to our DL, it will make things easier for the edge/OLB’s we have. We have some interesting prospects who are coming off their rookie year and hope they are able to step up their game like LB Andrew Van Ginkle, LB Terrill Hanks (PS), and DE Jonathan Ledbetter (PS). I could see us only targeting one edge guy in this draft. There is a big drop off (IMO) at DE/Edge plays this draft.
Two cases of the bug here in Broward, but guess I shouldn’t complain. Could be an Ape or a Pig. 🙂
Or bats….
Bat started the whole thing…… not worried about him. But then he always warned us what he might do. 🙂
Dan Marino’s “A Football Life” is on right now. Sorry… but if you think the greatness of a player is all about team championships you don’t know what you’re watching. Listen to his contemporaries and the great ones who followed him talk about him. That’s all you need to know. Ted Williams who is considered the best hitter of all time never experienced a championship world series win. Drops the mike. 😉
Especially, in a team sport like football. There is no one player that can win a super bowl. It takes 53.
A know a few of you who follow me on Twitter probably saw this mentioned by me…..I’ve recently have been under the feeling that the QB Miami ultimately targets and cones away with is…..Jalen Hurts. Rip away, but I think he’s the one prospect who checks all the boxes within the organization….especially with Flores.
Was just talking with my friend about the draft and how unpredictable it is. If you haven’t seen the show ‘Elway to Marino’ which is about the 1983 draft, go watch it. We’re going to look back on the 2020 draft in a few years and we’re going to say yikes, that’s not how it was projected. LOL
Definitely unpredictable. My reasons for Hurts being high for Miami:
4yr starter, greater than 2-1 TD/INT ratio. Handle the biggest ass as a HC. Handle one of the most demoralizing situations in college history and carried himself w/ class for the better of the team. He definitely has that undefined it factor and is a leader. I think Flores probably loves the kid. The biggest thing for me….not a single peep linking him to Miami….at all.
I’m not a Hurts rah rah guy & I personally don’t trust fully as a passer, but he’s the one guy in this entire draft I’d never bet against……EVER.
When you spit in the face of a pandemic
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1235974551487623168?s=21
dbolt, I agree. Teams have different boards than mocksters for all sorts of reasons. Nobody really knows the outcome. We can’t miss on all of them is my albatross. LOL
DBOLT: I TOTALLY AGREE with your analysis of Jalen Hurts. Right now, I’d rate him #3 among the draft eligible QB’s after Burrow and Tua. Herbert, Love, Fromm, etc., are NOT, in my view, at Hurts’ level. His ability to succeed BOTH at Alabama and at Oklahoma speaks volumes about his ability to be a team leader and a man who earns RESPECT from his fellow players. If Burrow and Tua are both gone when the Dolphins pick at #5, I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami takes Hurts at some point in round 1.
I really hope we hold onto our picks and just take good players. The hit rate needs to be good over the next couple years with all these high draft picks. We could easily be looking to draft 40-50% of our future starting lineups in the next couple years. With about a dozen 1-3 rounders alone over the next couple of years, I’d like to hope they come away with 7+ good starters…and a couple high end playmakers. Am I being greedy? Lol
Nope! That’s what should happen. LOL
I don’t trust Okudah to be good in the NFL. But I would be perfectly fine with Derrick Brown.
Isaiah Simmons is in danger of being a tweener, but he has a great attitude,
so maybe he can be a new breed hybrid Safety/LB.
To me Simmons is a LB more like Baker who can play nickel because they’re quick and fast. Baker is 6-2 225 and Simmons is about 6-4 235. He’s not a safety. Simmons fits what we do on defense with those “Amoeba” as they call them – formations, who’s doing what?
The game is about matching up, it always has been.
btw
Before you guys start in with how much $$$ we have under that cap to sign guys with,
we have some FAs of our own to resign. (That is, if we even want any of these guys.)
P Matt Haack 26y/o yikes
DE John Jenkins 31y/o
DE Trent Harris, 24y/o
OLB Chase Allen, 27y/o
OLB Deon Lacy 30y/o
OLB Vince Biegel 27y/o
CB Aqib Talib 34y/o LOL
S Walt Aikens 29y/o
WR Trevor Davis 27y/o
WR Isaiah Ford 24y/o
TE Clive Walford 28y/o
OT J”Marcus Webb 32y/o
OG Evan Boehm 37y/o
None of our QBs or RBs or FBs are FAs.
None of our ILBs or Centers or DTs are FAs.
https://twitter.com/theflyingpig44/status/1236469701468971008?s=21
Sunday morning reading.
This article kind of goes with the original subject of this blog.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/will-defensive-back-depth-of-2020-draft-alter-free-agent-strategies
I factor that into Tua much more than Burrow. Makes me wonder what Herbert might have done with that WR talent.
Some boom or bust players and the reasons why. Some names will surprise you.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-2020-boom-or-bust-yetur-gross-matos-grant-delpit
Three possible landing spots for Joe Thuney. Yes, we are the first choice.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/joe-thuney-free-agency-nfl-team-fits
RB comparisons for 4 top RB’s in the draft.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-comparisons-for-2020-running-backs
Good article BBM. I would think having so many good DB in the draft would push down the trade value of bets like Slay. On one hand he is a proven commodity. On the other you have to give up
Picks and pay big bucks for him, rather than using the picks for 4 years of cheap, albeit riskier, labor.
I agree. I would not trade (give up any picks) for any DB’s. Good luck Detroit! With what our coaches did with a mixed bag of DB’s the second half of the season. I would much rather go with the cheaper riskier option of bringing in a rookie. Though would not mind signing a free agent. Hopefully this good DB class will affect the price tag of the free agents.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/1236664217760980993?s=20
Naples – Not one of the guys you mentioned that are our “own” FA’s will be getting big money. We’ll have plenty to spend elsewhere
In fact, some of those guys are either ERFA or just RFA, so those get a very small tender, especially the ERFA’s
We are in a great position right now can you imagine tom Brady coming to Miami
NO, ROB, I CAN’T imagine Brady to Miami for 2 reasons:
1) He’s over the hill at 42. No longer
a Top 5 quarterback.
2) He’s going to demand an enormous, multi-year,
contract.
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HOWEVER, I CAN IMAGINE Brady coming to
Miami as the starting QB for the visiting team!
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE IMAGINING?
I think it’s highly possible you never know what’s going on behind the scenes
If we were a draft Brady that #5 pick becomes huge we would not have to draft tua
get brady
He is linked to Tennessee but does Tennessee have the money to pay him are they gonna go away from Ryan tannehill they have to tag derrick Henry they may also have to pay conklin
Our wide receiver cores are great and that’s what Brady needs
We have the cap space to build a formidable offensive line and we have the draft picks to add more weapons
It wouldn’t surprise me if Dan Marino was in contact with tom Brady as they are buddies
Marino’s calling Brady to set up some tee times!
That’s one of the “perks” of retirement.
What would it do to tom Brady’s resume if he were to take a 5 and 11 team to the super bowl
It would mean Tom bought about 50 tickets to Super Bowl 55 in Tampa.
We are just in a great situation right now we have the caps base in the draft picks to turn this team around quickly getting tom Brady means we can add some serious weapons to this team tom Brady is not ready to retire yet he still has some game in him
I SAW TOM’s game at the end of last season.
It consisted of HOME LOSSES to Miami and Tennessee.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE, Brady is NOT worth what he’s
going to demand. And New England knows that.
We shall see you never know what Chris grier and Brian flores has up there sleeve
Tom Brady did not have the weapons around him at wide receiver last year
Floors and Brady have history who knows it’s just a thought
If you draft tua he sits a year, you blow 5 on a player who will make no imediate impact
Tom Brady came out and said that if he goes to another team Antonio Bryant will follow him because he did not have wide receivers that could create separation last year and that was a huge problem
No way Brady comes here. We are not in win now mode. As Tim tells me (lol) it would defeat what we are trying to accomplish. I can see Brady as a Charger before a Dolphin. A couple other teams including back in NE also.
Florez has history with tom Brady does San Diego
I believe it comes down to 2 choices either Tennessee or Miami I don’t think Tennessee has the money to do what Brady needs to do and Miami does we also have the draft picks
You never know I’m just playing GM right now it looks like a good fit tho
I would love to see us sign LG Joe Thuney and RT Conklin. Then draft LT Thomas or Beckton and C/OG Ruiz, C/OG Cushenberry or C/OG Hennessy. That would be a killer OL!
I like your thinking
I think Tennessee is going to do with they have to do to keep conklin I know they have to tag derrick Henry and where would they be without conklin with Brady want to come to that team
If you were to get tom Brady you could move back in the draft with that #5 pick and pick up some great talent you could pick up Jordan love as well to sit behind tom Brady
You dump Albert Wilson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and save 15,000,000 on the cap
Sorry orob. I could never in my wildest imagination entertain or see Brady as a Dolphin. Never gonna happen.
I know a lot of you think Brady was mostly responsible for his low sack totals vs having a decent oline.
Also, I doubt Brady would want to retire after getting killed behind our oline.
No one wins with Brady coming to Dolphins.
Yeah Krishna. If Brady doesn’t retire he goes to something close to a contender.
ORob — only reason Brady comes to us is if he wants to be a coach and/or part owner here after his playing days are over.
Florez has history with tom Brady does San Diego.
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Probably not. I don’t think that matters. So do you just release Fitz then and take the 4 mil dead cap hit or keep him as an 8 mil backup while you pay Brady 1/3 of your entire available cap?
Fitz knows Gailey’s system inside and out. Who better to implement it this year and train whoever our next young QB is? Not Brady. Gailey and Fitz together both took the Jets and Bills to 11 win teams (I think) or at least 10 win teams.
Not busting on your idea. I throw scenario’s out there all the time like I did a day or 2 ago that Tim busted on. Maybe because it is just the idea of Brady being a Dolphin that makes me want to puke. LOL
LOL, then you should have been puking when they hired Flores, we already have a NE stench,
just throwing an idea out there, I think Brady is still one of the best QBs in the league.
another thing Miami has going for it is no state tax, the money he and his wife make would be a considerable gain vs Los Angeles.
i don’t think you can rule it out, you also have to consider your job if your Grier and flores, you cant keep putting a mediocre team out there and building for the future, at some point you have to take a shot and what better time than right now?
Stanger, I don’t think Brady would agree with you, It’s just a thought, the thing is no one knows what is going on in the heads of the people who make the decisions.
a way to look at it is how much do they want to lose before fielding a winning team and the bottomline is they have the resources to do that right now.
they have the money, they also have the draft picks, and they can plan for the present and the future.
Brady can still ball, however bad you think he is he did win the east last year and took a talentless team at WR with him. didn’t he go 12-4??
what would bringing in Brady and Bryant do to the QB and wr corps of this team? you get OL in FA trade back at #5 get more early assets draft a tackle you could also draft Love for the future.
with a good OL, a good RB and the weapons we already have at WR
the sky is the limit right now for Miami,
Why wait?
Because we’re building for the future and Brady is not that!
ORob — I think Brady would agree with me, but turning to whether we want him…..just don’t think so. And heck yeah they could do whatever they want. Just don’t think maxing out the team to try and be a contender is part of the plan for next year. If you put out such thoughts a year from now — maybe.
they have to spend the money regardless due to the cap floor, the money is not problematic for now or the future if they structure it correctly.
But the spending floor is over a multi-year period (forget if 3 or 5). And you can front load contracts, which gets spending up and like putting cap money in a savings account. So wouldn’t worry about that part. So only real question is if maxing the team out would be a sound move. Least doesn’t seem the direction they are taking.
John Jenkins – wants to play here, will probably sign for a 2YR – $2-3M deal
Vince Biegel, Chase Allen, Matt Haack and Deon Lacy are all RFA’s
Isaiah Ford, Trent Harris and Adrian Colbert are all ERFA’s which is the lowest tender
Walt Aikens would probably sign for somewhere between $1-2M
No one contract is going to eat a lot of cap space, nothing to worry about
Yep – We burned the team down so well last year that no FA worries. Guess that’s a positive of it it. Negative is we don’t have a chance in the world of getting comp picks in 2021.
Us paying Brady $25-30M per now makes so little sense. It’s not happening, besides the fact that he wouldn’t want to play here this season. Maybe next year, but why would he want to come here now?
Because we have the cap space and draft picks to build a great team, i do think Tenn may be a better fit. they will have 50 mil however they have to resign conklin and henry.
just a thought, who knows what the miami brass is thinking??
Lady? Really? 🤮
Just say HELL NO to Brady
Exactly the reaction ORob was looking for….. but give him credit for sparking convo.
Already have Bridge QB for this year on the cheap.. he is familiar with the playbook, and will not Alienate the entire fan base.. we actually like the guy .. then there is the Rosen/Tua/Love/Hurts future starting next year .. or if they somehow decide/manage to pull it off , All Hail King Burrow … << that would me my dream situation 🙏🤩
Wife would not be happy with Brady in SF either , again a one year bridge, and would cost losing Garropollo who she likes going forward
LOL at the inadvertent? Love/Hurts 🙂
I chuckled at as I was proofreading it as well
I did say we might not even want any of those guys back.
I personally would keep Biegel and the punter.
And I’d keep Trent Harris, as he showed some potential last year.
Then there is Jenkins.
He’s ok to keep as depth behind the rook we draft at DT.
I am not sure Aikens is as well liked by the new regime as he has been.
They could’ve re-uped him last year during season, like they did several others.
Every year I list all of our FAs in one post, so we can see what we need to do.
Some years we are facing serious problems with our own FAs.
Not this year.
Bottom line is none of these players has been signed as of this posting.
Some won’t be back.
You need 53, and they were in our 53 last year, so those are holes to fill somehow.
The trouble with the Brady discussion is that ORob is correct in every way
except NEEDING Brady. So his proposal makes scary good sense.
Grier and Flores have no pressure to go more than 9-7 in 2020 IMHO.
So thank god Brady to Miami won’t happen.
probably
I’d almost love it to happen, just to laugh in the face of the pasty fans.
Projecting Herbert onto a team with legit NFL WRs is an interesting scenario.
He can throw the ball harder and farther than any QB in the draft except maybe Eason.
He is huge AND fast, mobile AND accurate.
The knocks on Herbert are
1) he is a quiet kid, maybe not an alpha who has “it”
2) he has not been trained under center
3) he appears to be slow reading through his progressions
(although that might be a result of his WRs not getting open)
and
4) he doesn’t show good anticipation or throw guys open or fit the ball into tight windows.
(see 3 above)
These are very large issues, but they can all be taught. (maybe)
6’6 236 and a 4.6 40 with a 60mph fast ball and 65 yd range cannot be taught.
I’d accept him if the FO loves him.
That’s the thing Naples, I don’t think I’d rule any QB out. The thing that I’m most adverse to is trading away too much to get any of these QB’s. If they really like Love or Hurts or even Eason, I’m down with it. Hopefully they get it right.
Anyone know why FA is later this year? It’s usually March 14 but it’s 18 this year?
They want a bunch of hungover GM’s making very important football decisions?
LOL
Not sure. I was thinking they just wanted to start the Team/Agent convo on a Monday like this year (Mar 16) but I think it started on a Tuesday last year. So, I don’t know.
Leap Year.
They’re trying to push everything back as far as possible to keep interest all year.
They may have to extend the league year, they will do that if they have not got the CBA approved, they’ve done it in the past.
March 18th could very possibly not be the start of FA
naplesfan2010 says:
March 8, 2020 at 6:35 pm
I did say we might not even want any of those guys back.
I personally would keep Biegel and the punter.
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try to resign Biegel, let the punter Haack go, he avg’d 45 yards a punt; very average, you can get a free agent rookie who could do that on the cheap, why pay Haack?
Nooo don’t cut the guy who threw the winning TD pass.
You might be right about Haack, but average distance can be misleading. Having to punt from jjust across the 50 can shorten a guy’s average as he tries to get them to land inside the 20 instead of booming them after constant 3 and outs.
For example Haack improved his year to year average in 2019 but had 18 fewer punts and 12 fewer inside the 20.
Grier and Flores will have to start producing soon, it may get a little uncomfortable for them if they go 5-11 again. I’m sure these guys want no concern in keeping their jobs, it makes sense to start getting the pieces you need now. who’s available?
starting with the OL
Tunney
Glasgow
Mcgovern
Conklin or Baluga
then trade back Draft Wirfs OL solved,
dump kilgore, dump albert wilson and rashad jones, that would almost pay for the OL FAs,
get Brady and antonio brown, draft Swift.
there’s your offense
spend the rest on edge rushers and DBs
how good would this offense be?
antonio brown…….conklin….tunney..glasgow..Wirfs..baluga….parker ……williams
………………………………………………….Brady………
………………………………………………..swift
I love this lineup except for Brown, Brady, “baluga.” and Thuney.
I’d rather have Hurns, Fitzmagic, and a 1st round rookie OT in those first 3 spots
and try our rookie LG from last year another year before dumping him.
And Glasgow’s a guard not a center, I think.
But Parker, Williams, and Hurns is a very challenging WR set for any defense.
And Swift is my fave draftable RB.
Antonio Brown?!
Come on man! Now you are just trolling.
Damn, an entire morning of scrolling and not a thing to discuss.
We could discuss COVID-19
Justin Trudeau?
Antonio Brown?
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 5: Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 18: Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa (A+)
Round 1 Pick 26: Yetur Gross-Matos, DE/OLB, Penn State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7: Tyler Biadasz, C/OG, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 2 Pick 24: JK Dobbins, RB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 6: Lucas Niang, OT, TCU (A-)
Round 4 Pick 39 (COMP): Jake Breeland, TE, Oregon (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Carter Coughlin, DE/OLB, Minnesota (A)
Round 5 Pick 16: Jalen Elliott, FS/SS, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 5 Pick 27: Kendrick Rogers, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Rodney Smith, RB, Minnesota (A)
Round 6 Pick 18: Jaron Bryant, CB, Fresno State (B+)
Round 7 Pick 32: Benito Jones, DT, Mississippi (A+)
Round 7 Pick 36 (COMP): Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia (A-)
excellent
Looks great on top, but there’s something about Gross-Matos that I’m not sure about/sold on.
Good draft but 3 players concern me with serious injury history. Tua, Biadasz and Niang. Biadasz has fallen a bunch. Many predict him to slide to 3rd round as the #4 center behing Ruiz, Cushenberry and Hennessy. His play fell off quite a bit last year. Not sure if he was fully recovered. If he is 100% with no future concerns, he would be a 3rd round steal. Niang in the 3rd is good though as he was considered top round 2 pick at one time.
gross matos is definitely boom or bust, but Flores’s scheme might help him.
Badass is a mauler and a brawler, but his tech has gotten slammed this past season.
He ain’t coming here:
https://apple.news/AHQKH0KtNQ2eJncel3eS4rg
Exactly, and F that shit!
Since we miss out on a lot of talent between our 3rd and 4th round picks, I traded down twice from #18 and got 2 more 2nd round picks.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 5: Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn (A-)
Round 1 Pick 25 (MINN): Austin Jackson, OT, USC (A)
Round 1 Pick 26: Jordan Love, QB, Utah State (A)
Round 2 Pick 7: Cesar Ruiz, C/OG, Michigan (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (BUF): Antoine Winfield Jr., FS/SS, Minnesota (A)
Round 2 Pick 24: Cameron Dantzler, CB, Mississippi State (A)
Round 2 Pick 26 (MINN): Jonathan Taylor, RB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 3 Pick 6: Kenny Willekes, DE/OLB, Michigan State (A)
Round 4 Pick 39 (COMP): Ben Bartch, OT, St. John’s (A)
Round 5 Pick 7: Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton (B+)
Round 5 Pick 16: Carter Coughlin, DE/OLB, Minnesota (A)
Round 5 Pick 27: Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (B+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Jordan Fuller, FS/SS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 18: Gabriel Davis, WR, Central Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 32: Tavien Feaster, RB, Clemson (A-)
Round 7 Pick 36 (COMP): AJ Green, CB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Winfield is too short for my tastes at FS.
Otherwise this is a great draft.
oh except that Feaster transferred to Carolina.
Good back though and a very good choice that late.
3 post combine sleepers. Good Stuff.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-combine-sleepers-draft-2020
every time I see this photo I think……dude throws like a girl…….lol.
Matt Stephens has us picking Becton @ 5, Love @ 18, and Ruiz @ 26.
That could work.
Then Julian Okwara the Edge Rusher out of Notre Dame @ 39 and RB JK Dobbins @ 56.
Taken all together, those round 1 and 2 picks would start off a very nice if somewhat unusual draft.
But that mock shows what a wide range of options we have and still be successful because of all those picks.