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DeVante Parker – 6’3 216
Allen Hurns – 6’3 195
Albert Wilson – 5’9 195
Preston Williams – 6’5 218
Isaiah Ford – 6’2 194
Jakeem Grant 5’7 171
Ricardo Lewis – 6’2 215
Mack Hollins – 6’4 221
Gary Jennings Jr. – 6’1 216
Andy Jones – 6’1 217
Terry Wright – 5’10 177
Trevor Davis 6’1 188
A quick glance at the depth chart shows you we have a lot of big receivers, a LOT. We have a couple of diminutive receivers too, like Grant and Wilson but otherwise we have large quantities of bigger receivers, over 6 feet. As to where some of these guys are the depth chart are isn’t important, it’s basically just a list of who’s on the roster as all of this is subject to change. I do believe that until Preston Williams shows he’s fully healthy, our main outside receivers will be Parker and Hurns, and if Wilson is able to convince coaches he’s healthy enough to produce like he did the first half of the 2018 season before the hip injury, he should be our slot receiver. After that, it’s a Battle Royale and only a few more will survive.
I’d have to say that our receiving corps is a strength of this team and one of the few units that will likely remain most intact and least changed as least as far as the first 4 or 5 of the depth chart. The order may change, but I think those 5 guys are probably going to be the 5 guys on the chart come the start of the season. DeVante Parker had an impressive season and his stats don’t even tell the whole story. While his stats are impressive in their own right, the way he got there is even more impressive. It’s like a switch went off and and it was like every ball thrown in his direction was his. He made some of the most aggressive, contested catches routinely week in and week out from game #8 non. The chemistry that QB Ryan Fitzpatrick and Parker developed was really something. Fitzpatrick had so much confidence in Parker that he was just throwing passes in Parker’s direction no matter how tight he was covered because he felt Parker had the best chance to come up with the ball and he was usually rewarded for that.
Parker wasn’t the only one who impressed. Preston Williams and Isaiah Ford both made great strides. Williams was a regular contributor week in week out until he was injured week 8. Williams used his size and frame to make catches but sometimes struggled with the easy ones, but you can see there’s talent there. Isaiah Ford saw limited work early on but really started impressing from week #13 on. It’s nice to have a such a young WR corps, with talented vets like Parker, Hurns and Wilson to keep these guys in line. Like I said earlier, I think the WR’s are our best and most solid unit, and although this is a very strong WR draft class, I don’t expect us to be very active in the draft for WR’s. If anything, finding a strong KR/PR who could either be a RB or WR will be a likely target.
GO DOLPHINS!!
#staythecourse!
Best wishes to everyone during this difficult and scary period in our lives. I hope the best for all of you both in health and wealth. I hope those of you that still remain employed continue to do so and hope that those who have lost their jobs (even temporarily) hang on strong until they are able to once again join the workforce. I hope you are all doing what you can to stay safe and help your neighbors and friends.
Finsmob Unleashed 
mornin all lol
I can’t figure out whether the virus crisis will help Trump get re-elected or prevent that.
Rock
I hope you are well today.
What’s in your White Russians?
As soon as the worst of this epidemic has passed,
we can all start to get out more. See some of our friends.
We all need that right now.
It’s too easy to get too introspective while at home all the time.
Your sparkling wit and insight still entertains everybody.
Thanks for that.
Heading into work today soon and I have to admit for the first time during this pandemic I’m actually apprehensive about any contact with patients. Being home all week and seeing how almost everyone is staying inside for the most part and even people walking down my street keeping their distance, I think it’s crazy that I’m going in to dispense and fabricate a few pair of glasses. If anyone gets sick from this, was it worth it? Hell fucking no!
Don’t take anything directly from anyone; have them set it down on the counter.
Wipe phone mouthpieces and stand far away when talking.
Let them swipe their card and/or have a wipe or tissue to take it if you have to.
Even paper money is filthy.
Open doors with shirtsleeves or elbows.
etc.
Best of luck to you.
Excellent advice on all counts. I’m going to do just that Naples, thanks!
Bonds are slow. Officers are giving more notices to appear. Only felony charges, DUI’s and domestic battery going to jail for the most part. Glad we already hit our 6 figure goal for the month. We are bracing for April though.
Thing I worry about is being forced to write riskier bonds to meet our overhead and make some money. This will result in having to chase more people and put us at higher risk of exposure to the virus.
I have seriously thought about asking my doctor for a prescription for Chloroquine to take as a prophylaxsis. Not sure if he would do that. I have taken it before as a malaria prophylaxsis when I was deployed to South America and West Africa.
Whats rubbers got to do with any of this…..lol
I posted this yesterday but no one responded. Thought it got overlooked during the Trump bashing but maybe just no one thought it was a good idea. LOL
“D (or anyone), if you are not sold on Rosen and don’t want to take a chance at #5 on Tua or any of the rest in the 1st round, would you trade Rosen to the Colts straight up for Jacoby Brissett since the Colts signed Rivers. Resign/restructure him for a couple years. He has one year left on his current contract and would cost 12.5 mil (I think) cause Indy all ready had to pay his roster bonus. Flores knows him from NE. I feel he has talent close to Fitz. Just throwing it out there.”
Or do you think it would be like adding a Tyrod Taylor to the team. I think he is much better than Tyrod.
I think its more like that, adding a Tyrod Taylor. Brissett is a much better pure QB than Tyrod, but i dont think ultimately he gives you a guy who had franchise QB potential and at the price we would have to pay for him, he’s low end starter money.He wouldnt keep me from drafting a guy either, he would just make it not necessary to ball out to get one. I thinkt he same thing can be said about Rosen, if they feel he is solid, they dont have a reason to go all in at 5 or trade up, they might just stay put and if the right guy winds up with them, they select.
I wouldn’t but I’m pretty Sonny would. He likes the Brisket QB. lol
I’d rather just see if Rosen has it, which is still possible at this point.
I went to bed incredibly early yesterday so i missed it until just now.
I watched a lot of Brisset, especially his trial by fire first few games at UF. He’s pretty talented, he handles stress well and can adapt his plays given the pressure he is under. Given that statement i would say im not actually in the group you were describing, im more optimistic about both Rosen and the prospects that would be available in the first round (even though outside of Tua and Burrow i dont think either any are worth number 5). I personally would roll with the people we have. its cheaper with about the same potential i think.
Yeah, if we were to do that, QB would still be a need in my book. Think I would rather draft a rookie to have along with Rosen behind Fitz and see what happens. With slightly bigger rosters we could afford to keep 3. Could even resign Fitz for another 2 years as a backup.
naplesfan2010 says:
March 28, 2020 at 6:50 am
I can’t figure out whether the virus crisis will help Trump get re-elected or prevent that.
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It can be spun both ways, so im sure you are going to heard people tearing him down over it, and people saying he is “managing a crisis” because of it. My gut says it hurts more than it helps because the overall mood about this and the quarantining is bad, but by the time its all over, who knows how much it gets spun to support him.
I think it depends on how long it takes to get over the hump with this virus and getting somewhat back to normal. The longer it takes, the more negative impact it will have on him. Also, stupid comments by people like Hillary’s tweet the other day and Biden’s bumbling will only counter balance that.
BBM – Forgot to add that I still think we need to draft a QB. I think Rosen has a chance, a small chance of being a competent NFL QB, but I think having a shot at Tua, Herbert early, or Love later, we should take it.
I have seen things from Rosen I like. Hope we see him build on that. I keep doing mocks passing on a QB with that thought in mind and end up drafting a project QB in mid or late rounds. If we do draft one early, I will be good with it no matter who it is.
Europe as a whole is much worse off than us. Spain 44mil people, 73Kn cases, and a whopping 5700 deaths, Italy 66mil people 87K cases over 9100 deaths.
Here is a good resource for it.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Besides, i will say, this shit isnt political, you dont get this virus based upon the politics you get this shit for not listening to what the government agencies tell you to do.
I think they’ve been exposed a little longer
From what I read, we have the most cases
We also aren’t testing, so there’s a concern it’s underreported here
We test when they come in with symptoms which is what most places do. Its not feasible to send people out to test everyone and you are also increasing the chances of contact by doing that when a person went to one place and came in contact with a person who LATER tests positive and they went to all the other places after.
I think it’s under reported everywhere, especially in China where it all started. If you’ve ever seen Chernobyl, it’s like that with China in this situation.
Considering China’s love to look superior in everything, my guess is they report what they want to, but even then, if they are ahead of it, then my guess is they are employing certain tactics for it that other countries, like ours, wouldnt agree with. You want to aggressively counter something like this, you control everything. You declare marshall law, you lock everyone down. Is that what you would want here and wouldn’t there be a political backlash from this? My guess is China is doing something similar right now.
My order for the Qb’s is like this. Burrow or Tua at 5, possibly Herbet is they feel good about getting past some of his issues. 18, Herbert for sure if he is still there. 26 Love if he’s there. Love is an intriguing prospect, but there is a ton of risk in that pick. Mitigate the risk by selecting him at a more appropriate position and 26 is about the right spot IMO.
I’m right with ya D
I think the Trump haters look at any and every opportunity to bitch and whine about him and this is a big one that they’re all into at the moment. “He said the Coronavirus is a hoax”, “He didn’t react seriously or quickly enough”, “He’s only taking half measures” etc etc etc. It’s just par for the course until the election happens. They point to Gov. Cuomo as a leader and a hero, they’re really desperate to get him out. I get it, but it’s so predictable already.
Its on us as the public to fucking stay inside and do what they say to cut down on this shit. 27K cases in NYC alone, surrounding NYC you have another 17K+ cases. Its a bloom type effect, but the blooming is cause by contact. That says it really doesnt depend on the population density if you fucking follow the rules. It is dependent on the population density if you dont. Again, politics doesnt spread the virus, people do.
I got into with some guy on twitter, he was saying it’s not politics, it’s life and death, and Trump is responsible for this. He made a comment that if anyone who supports Trump is following him simultaneously, they should get off his twitter and unfollow him. I responded to him in a very nice manner and he was such a dick. We both unfollowed each other, what a tragedy!!! lol
I dont think support of any candidates has anything to do with this at all i think its being made that way as each side deliberately manipulates its people to become divisive of every subject. There is no way Trump controls this shit, there is no way that Senate (reps) or house (dems) control this. This stimulus package has no control over this, lack of a stimulus package has no control over this, etc etc etc. It starts with the man in the mirror, and asking him to change his ways and STAY THE FUCK INSIDE YOUR HOUSE lol
bailbondmike says:
March 28, 2020 at 11:23 am
Yeah, if we were to do that, QB would still be a need in my book. Think I would rather draft a rookie to have along with Rosen behind Fitz and see what happens. With slightly bigger rosters we could afford to keep 3. Could even resign Fitz for another 2 years as a backup.
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Pretty sure we carry 3 for however long they feel they need to, and next year its pretty much a given. Rosen does well he moves into starter discussion, and if not he either gets moved to another team or he becomes a backup. Fitz either eventually becomes a backup or he winds up joining the staff as a coach, which as i said before, with how well the guy understands the game would be an easy transition for him.
That is a good point on Fitz to coaching. Especially this new system he is all ready very familiar with and Chan Gailey.
This is why prisons use solitary confinement as punishment, barely 2 weeks in, in much better conditions, and people are going nuts.
I like Rosen but I think Tua and Burrow are much better prospects. I like Tua better than Herbert but if our FO likes Herbert, they’ve more of both QBs than I have. I don’t like Brisket. He’s a top tier backup in my opinion and I think he’s very similar to Teddy B. If your top guy goes down, he can fill in reasonably well and get you to the playoffs if you have enough talent. Much like Moore did a few years ago but more talented.
Rosen better than Herbert above. Burreaux > Tua > Rosen > Herbert for me right now.
You think Rosen has more upside than Herbert? Interesting. Maybe because he’d be a new toy, I think I like Herbert’s chances more
Herbert had the tangibles and Rosen the experience. Herbert makes bad decisions and so does Rosen so I have them almost equal but we already have Rosen which puts him over the top for me.
Herbert is the QB with the most upside in this draft. He is bigger, stronger arm and faster than any other QB in this draft
Actually, Herbert was 3rd fastest tied with Steven Montez at 4.68. Jalen Hurts was fastest at 4.59.
True but I don’t really consider Hurts a legit prospect
I was just thinking OL. I would love it if we drafted C Lloyd Cushenberry with first pick in 2nd round and then RG Damien Lewis with the second pick in the second round. Some might think that is a reach on Lewis but I don’t think so. D, made me go back and look at him again. Lewis is stout, doesn’t get moved off his spot, moves really well and very good at the second level.
#68
Ken there you go again. Herbert is inaccurate. He doesnt read defenses well. He’s fools gold. Love is much better than him.
Love is an interception machine
With 24 m left on the cap and 10 to 16 m to sign our drafted players i think we are done with any big ticket FAs
And we don’t have many possible cuts to free up substantial money. Wilson is the only one. Could get in a middle starter or some back-ups though.
Im sure they will churn the bottom
Herbert is one of the best physical specimens in quite a while. Physically, he has everything you could ever want. He still had issues with accuracy, scoring, and being the difference at Oregon even with those attributes. It could have been bad coaching or lack of talent at UO. Maybe his WRs were terrible but their running game was really good. I’m not sure.
It’s hard for me to get excited for him because the PAC-12 was such a terrible conference during his time at Oregon. The competition was subpar so I think it was fairly easy to be the best team there. His win against Wisconsin was good except he ran for his points A win is a win but it’s harder to evaluate the QBs aspects then. The NFL is such a different experience especially if you haven’t played with and against the top talent in college like LSU, Bama, and OSU have. I’m just not sure how well he will adjust to the big game because he hasn’t really wowed me with a passing effort since he was a freshman. Look at his game stats the past three years. He looks like a bigger, stronger Tannehill. I don;t want that lol.
With, Herbert, for me, is I don’t think he has what it takes upstairs (quick processing). I think Tannehill 2.0 is a good comparison.
I agree completely.
D says:
March 28, 2020 at 11:38 am
We test when they come in with symptoms which is what most places do.
There are still shortages of tests. NOT everyone who is sick can get them. Palm beach county, where I live is an example. I got sick last week and never got tested. I have been in self quarantine since.
My fever broke Tuesday and I am totally symptom free now. Never got tested and the test that is out does not check for antibodies so we may never know if I had it or not.
I really hope I did. Then I MIGHT have antibodies to it.
The Colts now have 2 QBs from NCState. They should sign FA Glennon and make it a trifecta.
I think my White Russians have the same thing in them as everybody else’s. (unless some use heavy cream or milk to make it heavier or lighter.) Shot of Vodka, shot of Kahlua, 1/2 & 1/2
Of course I have very heavy hands. Mine are like 3 shots of vodka, 2 shots of Kahlua and 1/2 & 1/2 in a sports drink cup with a modified sippy cup top so it doesn’t spill or get shower water in it when standing in the shower in the morning the next day with a hangover…
PATRICK SHOUT OUT!
Mike I believe that a buffoon who has always been a buffoon and continues to be a buffoon is the issue. One doesn’t have to “look at every opportunity” every time he opens his buffoon mouth is a legitimate opportunity. BTW all the “things THEY say about him” are true. He DID call it a hoax and continued to for weeks.
I never said he wasn’t a buffoon, but that doesn’t mean that haters aren’t just looking for anything, ANYTHING to latch on to and make that the thing that takes him down. They have been doing that since he took office and they’ll be doing it for almost 5 more years. 🙂
Hmmmm like I didn’t hear on fox for 8 years how the previous guy was driving the country into the ground, while in fact he presided over the single longest record of continuous private sector growth in the history of the US. Trump did not inherit “the worst economy ever” as he loves to say and his supporters suck up like cotton candy flavored cocaine.
SBJ – He didn’t call it a hoax. That has been debunked ad nauseum. You are being an exemplar of TDS..
This is true. He said the Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to the new coronavirus outbreak was a continuing effort to impeach him, saying “this is their new hoax.” He didn’t say the virus itself was a hoax although at one point he did downplay it a bit.
Plus you’re a Canadian.
which makes me smarter to begin with…..
😉
That being said, Trump did not cause the pandemic and could not no matter what he said or did kept it out of the country. It was probably already here by the time we discovered it.
Biden tweeted that the CoronaVirus isn’t Trump’s fault but the way he handled it and is handling it is.
which is true! what is false about that statement Mike? I will find and post the multiple tweets and videos of Trump and his acolytes on Fox calling this a Democratic hoax.
Even Fox is getting a little hinkey about it.
They fired a woman for saying this virus thing is just another attempt to impeach Trump.
So when does the NBA start up again?
For the small businesses out there
https://www.inc.com/graham-winfrey/sba-loan-forgiveness-how-to-convert-loans-to-grants.html
Ewing Township police (NJ) broke up a party with 47 people including a DJ crammed into a 550 SF apartment yesterday. SMH one thing is right WE THE PEOPLE need to defeat this thing.
stupid is as stupid does.
Rock – Foxnews exists to do the opposite of every other news station. Even if they are ridiculously biased the other way, and they usually are, it’s refreshing to see compared to all the other media outlets. I don’t think Foxnews is always the correct viewpoint but at least it’s different.
I am watching fox news this morning. The post just above this one came from Fox. LOL
I really am pretty centrist. I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. But Donald Trump has been a lying, ego-maniacal, self aggrandizing, hyperbolic jackass for as long as he has been in the public eye. I actually feel shame that he was able to get enough support to be elected president. Hillary Clinton was a horrible choice for president, but it is the GOP’s fault that this circus barker is president.
Pretty much agree. The GOP had such bad candidates that Trump was able to hijack their party. Similar to what the Democrats have this time around. Is there a Democratic candidate that can come out of nowhere and rally people the way Trump did? I don’t know. I do think Cuomo could be that guy but at this time he’s got other things to be concerned with as governor of NY.
Piggy _ Are staying home and safe?
Yeah
I’ve barely left the apt for a few weeks now
Isn’t there an old saying in politics about never letting a good crisis go to waste or something like that? Most politicians turn every crisis into an opportunity for political gain, at least it seems that way these days. This isn’t a red or blue issue. It’s a human being issue. Sadly, many, many citizens swallow it hook, line and sinker….on both sides…often as the crisis worsens. It only works if we feed it, and most are more than happy to oblige.
No PP I have seen him say it LIVE no editing. He was saying it a his rallies. I lie is much easier to believe when you want to.
I’m just trying to stay out of the Rosen conversation above because it is too polarizing……..
😉
Man, killed the blog. Sorry. I’ll go away now. Carry on.
I replied to you. 😉
United airlines is receiving 25 billion dollars under he new bill
So long as they don’t have massive firings by Sept 30
That addition wasn’t in the original bill, in fact it didn’t specifically who would get what
So thankfully that was added
But United has already found a loophole
Asking it’s own employees to volunteer for unpaid leave
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/corovanirus-fallout-united-airlines-warns-aid-isnt-enough-to-avoid-workforce-cuts.html
Think its okay to give them a bailout with your tax money?
Fucking Democrats passed the bill!!! 😉
Rock – Sorry pal, I wanted to continue the convo but I was talking to a coworker about whether we’re willing to continue to work under current conditions. They’re not really taking any precautions to make things safe at our workplace and only giving us one day per week. I’m pretty much ready to wait until everyone reopens, and know that I’m safe. It’s not worth risking getting sick for one days pay, especially w/o any safety precautions being made.
Fuck that, man!
That’s bullshit
Pigs, that is not exactly what the article says. Delta started asking employees to take unpaid leave a month or so ago. The employees continue to get their benefits (medical, etc.). What they are talking about is what happens after September when demand is still low. There will be a contraction and people are going to lose their jobs.
The airlines are a classic case of over-expansion. Also a case study of the dangers of de-regulation. Until Carter de-regulated the airlines, their routes and their prices, were largely set by the government. Eliminated collusion.
That said, I have no sympathy for the airlines. The last few years the airlines have been raking it in and expanding their size and profits while shrinking their level of service. They got greedy. Flying used to be fun. No it may as well be Grey Hound. If they go out of business,the government or someone will fill the void.
They also said that “it’s not enough”
Expect them to threaten layoffs for more money after October 1
Yes – the airlines got greedy
It’s easy to get greedy when you know the fed govt will protect you if people stop paying for tickets
The only airline I like is JetBlue. The rest can go fuck themselves!
Virgin is pretty amazing
If you ever want to feel like some one punched you in the nuts – fly spirit
LOL
Now this should be criminal.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-stimulus-money-company-paychecks
Not worried about how much cap space we have left or needing to sign the rookie class. I’m pretty sure the FO is following their plan because they showed that they had a targeted plan on which players and the type of players they wanted to sign in FA. Now they have a boatload of draft picks to work with. The idea is not to hold onto an abundance of cap space, but to use it to improve your team. They upgraded the team already.
Didn’t just upgrade the team….. they did it in 2 days. Almost seemed like they had a plan in place.
Grier has followed his game plan from day one. Find a head coach he believes in. Move on from bad contracts to vets who won’t be here during the rebuild to get cap space back, and acquire draft capital. He did that within a year. He then used that cap space to acquire players that fit his and Flores’ vision.
The only other thing I could see happening big before the draft would be some sort of a trade nobody knows about. Other than that, I’m sure they’ve moved their focus to the draft. Especially during this crazy time where they’re going to have to rely a lot more on intel from others who know these prospects, and not being able to meet with them.
If Herbert is so athletic and fast then why did he only have 1 rushing TD all season up until the last bowl game against Wisconsin? He had 58 rushes for 50 yards and that includes the Wisconsin game. He was also sacked 24 times.
That’s not really the way to evaluate a player without looking at game situations. I’m sure you’ve seen him play. Is he not athletic and is he not fast at 6-6 238?
Nobody denies his physical attributes. The concern with him is can he be a leader and some questionable decision making. I think it’s similar to what the concerns about Trubisky were. But the pure physical talent is there.
Oh yeah, the talent is there. No doubt. I just feel he make take longer to make the leap to the next level then Burrow or Tua.
I am not trying to knock Herbert. If we draft him, I will roll with it and be happy. Watching his tape, he looks robotic in his motions like Tannehill. He is not the best QB in this draft. It’s still between Burrow and a healthy Tua for me as the best QB’s.
I have no idea who the best QBs are in this draft. LOL
So basically I will roll with it like you said because the QB we draft wherever that may be, obviously impressed this regime in some way. They do a lot more diligence than we do. LOL
Then as OD always says, show me! That’s the proof of right and wrong. 😉
Yep, bottom line.
Some reading material.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article241549341.html
If we don’t draft Burrow or Tua at #5, Herbert is gone before #18 and we don’t draft Love at #26, I still want the gun slinger from Washington State in the 4th round. Many scouts liked what they saw from him at the Senior Bowl. He has a very quick release and is very accurate in tight spaces. His ball placement is off the charts good.
BBMike, I think something the NFL world is missing, is we haven’t drafted yet and we already have a good defense on paper. The offense is all about the OL and a piece here and there. We have more talent than people think. 5-6 wins? I guarantee you that will be wrong. 😉
100% agree
all you lawyers out there…if you accidently hit a car windshield with a golf ball…does your homeowners insurance take care of that? …im just asking for a friend.
Read the policy. What it does and does not cover is right in there….and no law involved. Whether someone can get sued for that is a most different subject.
It depends if you are hitting them out of your backyard toward the freeway or not.
was that you in that car? 🙂
Probably not
The latest Fox News poll has Biden beating Trump something like 49-40.
When I went to see the Giants play in MIA in Dec 2015, one of the dudes part of that group was a political journalist. “No chance Trump wins!!!”. Oops!
Everyone’s a psychic now. LOL
Biden blows goats. 👎
As soon as they start the debates ah duh duh duh Biden will get smoked.
So yesterday. 😉🐕🥃🥃
bailbondmike says:
March 28, 2020 at 6:42 pm
If Herbert is so athletic and fast then why did he only have 1 rushing TD all season up until the last bowl game against Wisconsin? He had 58 rushes for 50 yards and that includes the Wisconsin game. He was also sacked 24 times.
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He didn’t also have 24 sacks, in college a sack is a rushing attempt. His 24 sacks lost 173 yards, so his real rushing stats were 34 for 223 or 6.59 per attempt.
Yeah, I knew that # was skewed when I put it out there. LOL
I just saw like the 3rd mock that has us taking a WR at #18. I just don’t see it. It had us taking Herbert #5, WR Ruggs #18 and MLB Murray at #26 and then said it was not an area of need. No OL. Dude had Raiders taking Love at #12 after they just added Mariotta. I could see us with Herbert at #5 if our FO likes him that much but just not sure. SMH
One dude in comments said we are taking Tua at #5 and not Herbert. Another dude responded to his post saying “Picking up Tua would be like paying new car money for a used car.” LOL
He thinks the top 4 tackles will be gone by pick #11. I can see this happening.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/andrew-thomas-tristan-wirfs-mekhi-becton-jedrick-wills-offensive-tackle-nfl-draft-2020
Bail Bond,
In regards to Herbert vs Tannehill in college the only similarity I see is when they throw on the move. Outside of that so think Herbert is much more advanced in the pocket and has a more powerful arm. RT17 was far superior using his athletic ability as a runner and I think was more consistent overall w/ ball placement, but I attribute some of Herbert’s issues w/ the offense he was in. I think Herbert has a little Donovan McNabb in his game and could be a similar duel threat player in the NFL w/ proper coaching and development.
Good analysis and I totally agree
Thanks Ken!
I keep seeing articles saying we are going to sign Winston 🤬
That is so counter to what we’re what we’re trying to build here, makes no sense. Unless he comes here for pennies on the dollar, which he won’t. He can’t be our starting QB
I agree but I keep seeing it and that makes me ….angry 🤢
We’ve changed our cap designation on some new signings, so we only have 24.6M left supposedly. Why would we payoff these cap figures early, if we were planning on added a relatively high priced QB? We still have to our rookies 9-10M net.
There’s so many idiots out there, and they don’t use basic logic, they’re just looking for clicks.
Tim Knight says:
March 28, 2020 at 7:30 pm
BBMike, I think something the NFL world is missing, is we haven’t drafted yet and we already have a good defense on paper. The offense is all about the OL and a piece here and there. We have more talent than people think. 5-6 wins? I guarantee you that will be wrong. 😉
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I agree, but you also have to take into account the soft schedule, even though we beat some decent teams in NE, Phil, jets twice😉, Ind, and the fact that Fitz hasn’t put back to back years together. What happens if Fitz stinks it up again? How are we going to win any games?
That is why we need to draft a QB
Of course, but until we do…6 wins is about right for the betting man.
Ken, I thought you were a little harsh on Hurts not being a “legit” QB prospect. After reading this, I am leaning toward how you feel about him. I do believe he is legit for one team though. My prediction for Jalen Hurts to come off the board will be to the Ravens 3rd or 4th round at pick #’s 92, 106, 129 or 134.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jalen-hurts-baker-mayfield-kyler-murray-contextualized-quarterbacking-nfl-draft-comparison
I agree, the Ravens could make it work for him better than other teams, but if they drafted him that high they’d likely have other plans for him, such as playing WR or RB too.
They could provide QB insurance and a new weapon the league hasn’t seen before, like a twist to the Wildcat.
I think the fact that the scenario is that of a backup is proof of my point that he is not a serious prospect. My problem with Hurts is that he has no pocket skills. His accuracy goes out the window when forced to stay in the pocket just like it did in the bowl game he played this year. He is a superb athlete I just don’t see him as a successful QB at the next level
Ravens do have RGIII but his contract is up after this season and they drafted Trace McSorley last year but that is not saying much. We’ll see.
Dbolt, my only thing with Herbert is his mental processing that makes him seem robotic like RT17. Now, IMO, RT17 has overcome a lot of that and I was impressed with his play last year. I think if Herbert comes into a situation where he has a stout OL and running game, he will become very good. If not, he is going to look like early RT17 for a couple years. I think it is going to take a few years for him to get up to the speed of the NFL game. I do think he is a good legit (for Ken) prospect.
3 things that can’t be overlooked when grading out Herbert’s chances.
He’s 6’6 but not skinny or fragile, he’s a very fast runner not a post like Rivers or a stodge like Roethlis, and he has a very very powerful arm so he can whip the ball in tight places and air it out long distance with ease.
He’s also a veteran QB. Even in the sense of having endured ups and downs and less than optimum supporting cast, yet he kept a good positive attitude, is not a cry baby or a Manzielish ego. He’s known to be very smart and coachable. People like him.
He finished strong, won his league against 11th ranked team, won his bowl game against Big 10 power Wisconsin, and won MVP in the Rose Bowl and Sr Bowl.
And he had a completely perfect combine.
I was impressed with his late surge in those respects. i was not a fan even as late as October 2019.
He also had a great week at Senior Bowl
I understand. Heck we could draft him and Gailey’s system end up being perfect for him to excel. We just need a damn crystal ball. lol
“Everyone’s a psychic now. LOL”
This was not a prediction that I cited.
And it was not just a writer writing.
This was a poll of voters, taken by a combo of Dem and Repub professional pollsters, and reported by Fox News.
And the margin was significant, meaning well beyond the margin for polling error.
I know there is a long way to go, but some including me have said that Trump is unbeatable.
I was surprised by this poll, which was done before covid became such a big thing in the US.
Believe it or not Trump’s approval rating has gone up since the Covid 19 crisis which for the life of me I cannot understand 😖
Let it play out…..
I don’t think the “need” to draft a qb is there. We have fitz and rosen. This FO can not quit on Rosen as it shows that just after 1 year of spending a 2nd rnd you quit on him. That shows this FO is not that good in evaluating players.
This coach is a defensive coach. He values defense more than offense as FAcy would indicate. It wouldnt surprise me if he takes the DL at 5. Who do you think would have a bigger impact this year? The DL OR TUA?
To Rock and whomever else might care to read:
I was watching CBS News this morning, and I don’t remember the female anchor’s name who was conducting the interview with the Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin, but her line of questioning was was radically biased, she was blatantly attacking and being very adversarial during the entire interview, and to Steven Mnuchin’s credit, he stayed very calm and cool. It’s so clear where the liberal media stands, to me it’s just as clear how biased the other way FoxNews is. That’s why FoxNews NEEDS to be there, so that everything you see is not through one same agendas viewpoint.
It was Margaret Brennan
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3060501/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t13
It’s very sad that the media networks have turned this crisis political. Anytime the news gets political i seek other sources.
I hear ny.nj and conn. May be under federal lockdown soon
I think they want to eliminate travel back and forth from state to state. I have to agree with that. The less of that the better. It will help to stop the spread.
Fl has checkpoints on I 10 & I 95. if you’re not a FL resident you will be turned away
That’s smart Rob. Keep your illness to yourself! No sharing please!
From the 24th to the 25th in NY. ONE DAY 20k new cases. In the last 4vdays 15k new cases. Have we reached the curve there? I sure hope so
We have 20 cases in marion county. Ive been playing golf. I have rubber gloves. I pay. Get my cart. Drive it to my truck. Spray it down with lysol. Theres hardly anyone on the course and ive been playing by myself.
I dont putt at all. My putter stays in the bag. I dont want to reach my hand in the hole where other players were. I simply reach the green. Bring my 60degree wedge and take a couple of chips then onto the next hole. Great practice
Do you take your glove off to putt?
I dont putt
Florida is setting up highway checkpoints to try and stop travelers from Louisiana who could be carrying the new coronavirus.
“We will be authorizing the use of the checkpoints on highways coming into Florida,” DeSantis said. “New Orleans obviously has got a lot of problems. There was a concern in the Panhandle that this could impact them.”
Executive orders issued earlier this week mandating two weeks of self-isolation for travelers from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut coming into Florida were expanded to include people from Louisiana.
Law enforcement will be looking for out-of-state license plates and “If you blow through the checkpoint, they’ll be able to pull you over,” DeSantis said.
This is NOT what I think the FO will do.
It’s just my personal post-FA preference for this draft
5-Wills, Thomas, or whomever they like at OT.
18-McKinney or Delpit @ S
26-Swift or Taylor @ RB
39-Queen or Baun @ OLB or Terrell Lewis off the edge
56-Cole Kmet @ TE or DL Marlon Davidson
70-The FO’s BPA @ TE or Damien Lewis OG
141-LSU OG Lewis if he’s there or BPA @ OG
153-Use to trade up or BPA
154-Use to trade up or BPA
173-Use to trade up or BPA
185-Use to trade up or BPA
227-Use to trade up or BPA
246-Use to trade up or BPA
251-Use to trade up or BPA
They can take Eno @ RB or Safety Tanner Muse or one of those 4.4 WRs.
even if they’ve already drafted at that position or think we have enough at the position.
That’s interesting. Does this mean you’re willing to give Rosen a chance once Fitz is done or do you go all out for a QB next year?
I’d like to see more of a blend of Fitz and Rosen this year. See if Josh has IT.
But keeping Rosen as a viable and cheap back-up is also a sensible plan.
Then pick from a deep QB class next year.
If the OT & RB stacks were not so talented this year, I might not feel this way (above).
Also, we were so successful in FA, we can afford to be greedy for those 2 and TE/DL/Safety in the draft.
Normally, I would not draft S in the first, but why not get a real stud there for a change?
Another good sign is there are now 5 cases in NY of people that have recovered. Thats good to see
I hope they are also roadblockiing I-75.
I have relatives in both New Orleans and Pensacola (and Mobile in between).
All of them think of the Saints as their “home team” to root for, not any of the Florida teams which are much farther away.
Just saying it’s going to be tough to keep that NOLA traffic out.
I live int hat area, so does BBM. Actually i have lived in 2 of the three places you names, both P’Cola and Mobile, and i also lived near New Orleans for a little while when i lived in Baton Rouge.
cool
beautiful areas
great music, great parties, and GREAT FOOD.
seafood and veggies are both very fresh.
I also have people with Baton Rouge Indians in their heritage.
No lockdown for CT, NJ and NY just travel advisory
Stay safe, brother. Keep your people close to home.
👍
Ken says:
March 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm
Herbert is the QB with the most upside in this draft. He is bigger, stronger arm and faster than any other QB in this draft
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Herbert at best has 3rd best arm of the draft, and i feel its more like 4th. Eason, Tua, Burrow and then Herbert IMO, Love might even have a better arm than him.
Fastest is a worthless stat unless you want your QB running free…. free free free downfield all the time, and Tua is faster than him as well as Montez and hurts as mentioned earlier. A lot of them are better laterally quick. Still my complaint about Herbert is he mental makeup, he dosent make the best decision a lot of the time, he doesnt seem to read defenses well past his first read being open, but again, thats the college game, not a whole lot of deep read progressions in most systems. and when that friggin awesome OL he had some who did get beat, he breaks down under pressure. Coachable items, cept the last one which maybe he gains confidence and settles out some and his reactions become more natural, but Tanny was that way, and thats is one aspect he still is pretty bad in. Thats basically who i see, a little more polished Tanny coming out of college.
I think, like with Tanny, he has 1st round potential, Id take him at 5 BUT id feel a lot less risky about taking him at 18. I do not at all think he is anywhere near as close to a complete or finished product as Tua or Burrow, That said though we dont need him to be a ready made guy this year, we need someone who can get to their potential and if he gets to his we have a franchise guy.
Not sure where you get the info on his arm he had the fastest rpms at the combine. He has a monster arm and if you think speed doesn’t matter watch Herbert in the Rose Bowl
I do agree that Burrow is a more finished product and a safer bet but doesn’t have Herbert’s upside. I feel similar about Tua but for his injury history I think he is the best QB in the draft
I think Rosen has what it takes to be a franchise QB i just dont know if he will get out of his own way to get there. Cutler, as BBM compared him to yesterday is someone i have thought about when i watch how he interviews and plays. The guy is legit talent he just doesnt seem to have a fire in him, no passion to play.
I think Rosen has shown with 2 different teams that he doesn’t have what it takes and I was a Rosen fan and big proponent of the trade
Agree with the exception that maybe he can do something behind a good OL. Know any QB looks better with that, but might be even more true of him.
I would like to see more of Ruddock this preseason but if we draft a rookie QB high, I don’t think that happens. Though, not sure if he has the goods (decision making) to make the jump at this point. He does have good footwork and pocket presence.
Random thought. Is dedicating a Milli Vanilli song to a girl, like saying I love you with your fingers crossed behind your back?
Guess no problem if you met her at a bar and used a fake name.
LOL
but that’s pretty god damn random.
You must have some extra time on your hands or something
from maybe like a frickin’ PANDEMIC.
Btw, this is how I feel how 90% of Americans watch/listen to the media unfortunately.
LMAO!
I’ve got two cats, and now I know what project I will be working on the next time I get bored.
Lol at the faces they make after they ring the bell
A beach in St. John’s County yesterday….. so wrong. The empty part of the beach is cause right on the line with Duval County and they did close.
5: R1P5 OT JEDRICK WILLS ALABAMA
18: R1P18 QB JUSTIN HERBERT OREGON
26: R1P26 OT JOSH JONES HOUSTON
39: R2P7 RB D’ANDRE SWIFT GEORGIA
56: R2P24 C CESAR RUIZ MICHIGAN
70: R3P6 S ANTOINE WINFIELD JR. MINNESOTA
141: R4P35 WR ISAIAH HODGINS OREGON ST.
153: R5P7 LB LOGAN WILSON WYOMING
154: R5P8 TE JACOB BREELAND OREGON
173: R5P27 WR AARON FULLER WASHINGTON
185: R6P6 S JORDAN FULLER OHIO ST.
227: R7P13 DL TYLER CLARK GEORGIA
246: R7P32 K RODRIGO BLANKENSHIP GEORGIA
251: R7P37 P MICHAEL TURK ARIZONA ST.
This might be the best draft I’ve seen. One thing about passing on QB at 5, is having someone fall, if Herbert or Love are there you take them, if not…next year.
In the NFL you want your QB it be quick and elusive but how many times you want to see that 40 time in full view. I personally wouldn’t want to see him in the open field full speed heading towards a safety who is going to clean his clock. That’s not a stat to care about with a QB. Again, that’s my opinion I’m not saying you should feel the same I’m just not good too over a QB 40 unless it’s incredibly slow.
Goo goo
Ga ga
The faster he is the better chance he outruns rushers behind the line, so I like the 40 time.
HA I love the cats above. LOL
Also my observations about his arm speed is seeing him in games vs the others in games. A lot more to zip on deep passes than just rpms, it’s release point, spins and a lot of other throwing mechanics. He has a decently strong arm but watch tua throw a deep pass or hell watch old tape of Marino, there is a snap to those throws that Herbets don’t have. I know in baseball a lot has to do with the pop in your wrist right before releasing. My guess in football it’s likely the same and a lot has to do with grip of the ball and tightness of the spiral.
What you talkin’ ’bout Willis? RPMs are RPMs, the way you get to reach a certain speed varies, but if the dude doesn’t use snap or something else and just use raw talent he has an even stronger arm.
Those cats are like Biden and Trump.
Biden the white one’s a little slow to get it
and the other one is like Trump
reaching over to get some of the other cat’s in addition to his own.
It’s insane how quickly the cases are spreading in NY I will be over 60K confirmed cases today. (131K total in US)
I think, if you take the deaths anywhere and divide by 1.5% you get pretty close to the actual number of cases and not the BS numbers reported around the world.
With that said, we aren’t close to having the most cases.
I think this is one of the more outcome-in-doubt drafts we’ve had in a while.
That is an awesome draft Rock.
Yeah, I know right? I thought so too. Thanks
Lol
I hope the dow doesn’t open as low as the futures are showing right now. Right now futures are trading at -2,997 (12.93%)
oh the graphic was wrong. Nevermind. They just retracted the info after coming back from commercial
D:
I have watched a lot of Herbert and I disagree with you about his arm. Its a cannon and almost every scouting report talks about him having the strongest arm in the draft
I think D might be our best draft analyst here, but he’s wrong on Herbert’s arm.
Yeah I agree. Not sure why D thinks Herbert’s arm is less than what everyone else thinks it is. At Herbert’s pro day, he finished up throwing three passes from the goal line flat footed and threw it 65 yards.
I’ve been watching some analysis of Herbert, what I see is Josh Allen, but more accurate. I’m starting to lean more towards him than Tua, I think he has the most upside an an NFL body.
I wouldn’t be pissed with Tua, but I would be on a trade up. I don’t think we can Rock-it, if we really like him and wait for him at 18.
I think I am in the same boat. I am a huge Tua fan and I won’t be disappointed if we draft him but given the injury history and how good I think Herbert is I think I would go with him
Rock, That was a KICK ASS draft. Excellent value on every pick including LB Wilson in 5th. LOL at kicker and punter picks. They are good though.
Our # of positive cases will sky rocket very soon with this new testing being provided by Abbott. You will have results in 5 minutes. I believe they are going to produce 50,000 tests a day.
Yep — always been about the more you test the more you find. Just wish we’d been able to do that before. Germany and South Korea did and helped a lot.
These were cons and one summary from 5 different evaluators on Herbert. Now, there were a laundry list of Pro’s and we know what they are. I just want to list these to see if you agree and/or if they are fixable. I know some of it is fixable.
– “He has a tendency to lock on to his primary read at times and wont get through a full progression. There are other moments where if his primary is covered, he may get to his secondary read but usually will tuck it and run. He has worked exclusively from the gun and will need to improve at the nuances of the position from under center. Like handling the protections at the LOS.”
– “Stays on his first read quite long into his progression, and when he moves to his second read, it’s often from a place of panic; accuracy notably drops off on throws beyond the first read. Internal clock seems a little too quick, but return from injury may have exacerbated this phenomenon. Often a first read-scramble QB. The sidearm release becomes more prominent when he’s hurried or when he wants to release the ball quickly, and thereby short throws can spike down.”
– “Most interceptions on tape clearly tied to presence of pressure, which DCs will note. Doesn’t do well to acknowledge the blitz pre-snap and has poor pocket presence–will step up into pressure or fail to sense it and become rather statuesque.” (See RT17)
– “You can tell his comfort is lacking when his first read isn’t available. Will often lock in and is too slow to keep working his progression. While he is generally an accurate quarterback, Herbert has some frustrating misfires. Pressure affects him, especially with his mechanics that leads to inconsistent throws. Has to do a better job ID’ing pressure packages pre-snap and knowing when his process will need to speed up.”
Best Trait – Arm Strength
Worst Trait – Consistency
Best Film – Stanford (2018)
Worst Film – Auburn (2019)
Red Flags – None
Player Summary – Justin Herbert has all of the physical tools to become a franchise quarterback in the NFL, particularly for a vertical passing offense. Herbert presents as a player with consistency issues on timing throws and troublesome lapses under pressure. Ball security is another issue, so Herbert will need to be aided by high level interior OL play to protect him from consistent duress. If everything clicks, he’s a top tier talent. But the wrong situation could be nuclear.
Not trying to knock him at all cause every player in the draft has a list of cons and these aren’t all bad if they all can be fixed/improved on. The last 2 sentences is exactly how I feel about him.
Day 19 of the apocalypses;
I watched Dukes of Hazzard on Netflix today.
I don’t know how much longer we can hold on.
Not the worst thing to watch.
The original is always the best
Not really thinking about watching anything with this pic… LOL
It really wasn’t my fault!
BBM:
I pretty much agree with the list of cons on Herbert above. That said there is nothing there to me that says deal breaker. Most of those criticisms are common place to many young QBs. His positives far outweigh his cons. He will need some polishing at the next level but there is no reason to think he can’t shine
I agree. People focus too much on college career as the upside not realizing 22 year old guys can get better at their craft in time. Which is usually the case.
^^^^
Will anyone be surprised if Burrow is not all that early on in his NFL career?
No but I suspect he will be okay out of the gate but ultimately I would not be surprised if Tua and Herbert are better
Playing on that LSU team was a big advantage. He’ll now be trying to revive the worst team in the NFL. We’ve seen this story before.
Most rookie QBs are not polished enough for the NFL but the way the league is setup these days, they are forced into action before they should have been. I think we’re rolling with Fitzpatrick in the Phase II 2nd season so we don’t have to rush anything with a young QB.
I know it’s not popular and maybe it’s too much positive thinking for Josh Rosen, but he’s only 23 years old. He’s had to deal with a change of offense (OC) every year going back to college. No different then this year under Chan Gailey now. But Fitzpatrick has played under Gailey with both the Bills and Jets. So he already knows that offense for the most part. Could change a bit based on personnel but that is always the case year to year with every team. Nothing wrong with continuing to develop a young QB under Fitz for another year.
My hope is we have some asst. coach on offense that will replace Gailey in the future so it’s not another change on offense. Build a system is what I think we want to do. Rosen can be a part of that. Maybe he won’t, but not sure he’s already done.
we need that bong video to leak on burrow already
I’m actually not sold on him. He played on a great LSU team. He had a historic college season, no doubt! But it wasn’t all him. Lots of playmakers on that team.
One season it is. Nothing to talk about before this season.
That’s really the whole thing, where you go (which team) and when you get there. If you go to a really bad team and you’re forced to start right away it can be a tough road. Any QB that comes here (Can’t believe I’m actually able to say this finally!) will be coming into a very good situation. Our team will be on the rise, there’s no pressure for them to start right away, even if Fitz gets hurt or doesn’t play as well as he did last season because Rosen is here.
I actually think Cincinnati is that bad of a situation. AJ Green will be back, Mixon and Bernard Henry are there. The D needs work
Not that bad ^
Mixon is great. A.J. Green we’ll see if he can get back to what he was. I was looking at his stats, when he was healthy in ’17 75 catches on 143 targets. What happened there? I’m sure you’re going to blame Dalton . . .
It is not all on Dalton but he is part of the problem especially with deep balls
That’s not enough, they’re not a good team. I also think their HC Zac Taylor is overmatched. Our former QB coach with Tannehill, and our former OC Mike Sherman’s son-in-law. I wouldn’t be that excited as a Bengals fan.
Coaching can be an issue but there is talent on offense
. I think ya’ll misunderstand me, well at least partially. I dont think he has a weak arm, i dont think he has a bad arm, he just doesn’t have what some of the others have. I have him as third to 4th. Eason is hands down the strongest arm. Tua has a stronger arm, just watch the videos of their deep passes and you will see Tua throws his like darts, even on the move when he cant plant, his deep passes are lines not arcs. Herbert throws his more on a n arc, which doesnt mean he cant make the deep pass, he can, and he is accurate with them, but the throws that Tua makes are a lot harder to pick off. After Tau and Eason it gets harder to dissect, Burrow and his deeps passes are pretty similar, they are more touch passes than they are with zip. Again, they canmake the deep passes but we are talking about strongest arms, and thats how i see them. Love has a pretty decent arm as well, just cant really tell where the hell its going when he lts go of it lol.
I agree Tua has a cannon but I still think Herbert’s is stronger. I can’t really say about Eason because I have not watched enough of him
I also agree Tua is a more accurate deep ball thrower..
Of course, but look at Tua’s receivers.
BBM that analysis matched what i have been saying about him. His mental makeup bothers me most, followed by his ability to read the defenses. The latter can be fixed, im not worried about that but the mental breakdowns when under pressure, it may can be worked out it may not be able to, thats one of those scarier things to me and i see it in him.
We haven’t misunderstood you, you just said the same thing you’ve been saying.
Herberts arm doesnt worry me in a “he cant make all the throws” kkinda way so i guess it was splitting hairs to argue the point about who has the stronger arm. Still i stick to my views lol.
Eason may have the overall best ceiling, but i dont think he ever gets there. I dont like his attitude, I dont think he is very coachable and i think he needs some to reach his potential. He has a overly confidant air to him, like too good to compete and show he is the best he just wants to be called the best.
Love is a huge risk to me, i like what i see as potential but he has a pretty long way to go to get there. Im really down to the top three and pretty much in the order they are in, Burrow is such a finished product it would be easy to just get get him and be done, it wont happen, but if it could we would be happy right off. Tua is the best overall QB talent in the group, take out any Injury concerns and we wouldn’t be talking about getting him at 5 anyways lol.. Herbert is a classic prototype, i like the idea of getting him i just think he is risky,There are things that worry me about him and i probably would take him at 5, just because im not thinking he makes it to 18, but i definitely would feel i didnt take the best player for us at 5 doing it.
Pretty much agree with that assessment. Tua would easily have been number 1 had he been healthy. I do think Burrow is the most ready to go and Herbert has too much potential for him to slip to 18
The thing with Burrow is he does things already that aren’t easy to teach such as pre-snap reads, anticipation on throws, having very good pocket presence, throwing receivers open, and having great accuracy. …among a bunch of other little things that often separate good QBs from great QBs. I know it’s high praise, but when watching him in September the first QB that came to mind was Brady. I obviously don’t know how these QBs will ultimately turn out, but I think Burrow has a very good chance at being very good at the next level.
Also, I’m not saying Herbert can’t be good, but IMO there is a big drop off at QB after Burrow and Tua.