Piggy Kiper Reviews Running Backs

Tired of taking Silkwood Showers only to stay home all day?  Well have no fear, the NFL Draft is around the corner…eh…maybe…

Anyway Piggy Kiper is here to help you examine some of the prospects.

Today we are looking at the Running Back position.  Like toilet paper, the running back position has a short shelf life but is always in demand, so teams also keep them in bulk.

The value of the running back position is not what it used to be.  Before the Goodell/Brady/Peyton era, teams places a lot more value on running backs.  But now, we often go a few drafts in a row without a running back taken in the first round.

There is a good chance that a running back is not selected in the first round in 2020.  But the Dolphins are one of a handful of teams with multiple picks, so there is a chance the Dolphins take a running back at #26 and het their pick of the liter.  If they do that, I can see the pick being D’Andre Swift from Georgia.

Swift is fun to watch.  He’s a patient runner, who has a 1 cut style of running.  On tape, Swift has a lot of productive runs after planting his right foot in the ground, making a cut and turning up filed.  His top end speed is not lightning fast, but you wouldn’t know it when you watch him run, because this one cut style puts a lot of early separation between the tacklers and Swift

Swift is a good receiver too.  If Swift has any weaknesses it’s ball security and pass protection.  But he is a very productive and talented back and worth a late first or an early second round pick.

Don’t worry, there are plenty of other good backs.  Like Wisconsin’s Jonathan Taylor.  For most of the season I expected Taylor to be the first back off the board.  But it’s starting to look like that isn’t the way it will shape up.  That shouldn’t scare anyone.  Taylor had a very productive career running behind some very good offensive lines with the Badgers.  Taylor had 6,174 rushing yards in three years with 50 touchdowns!   If that’s not impressive to you, go back to coveting hand sanitizer.

Taylor has good size coming in at 5’11, 219 pounds.  But he actually moves like a smaller back showing the kind if shiftiness that projects well in the NFL.  He’s been durable throughout his career even after carry after carry.  He really has one glaring weakness:  ball security.  Taylor has had a few fumbles but he’s also had close to 1000 touches, so make sure you put it in perspective.

Sticking with big numbers in the Big Ten, another productive runner that might be off the board before the 2nd round is through is J.K. Dobbins, who had 2,000 rushing years in his final year with Ohio State.  Dobbins isn’t as shifty as the two running backs we mentioned on this list.  Dobbins is more like a tough lunch pail runner who is going to be consistently productive.  He actually kind of reminds me of new Dolphin, Jordan Howard…so if you are thinking “change of pace” he probably won’t do that, but what Dobbins will likely do is have a very good NFL career.

Finally rounding out our top four NFL backs is Clyde Edwards-Helaire.  Edwards-Helaire was kind of lost in the shuffle in terms of hype at LSU because of all the attention Joe Burrow received.  But Edwards-Helaire was very productive for LSU.  In fact he had over 1,800 total offensive yards. 

Some of those yards came through the air as he had 55 catches.  He’s easily the best receiving back on this list.

A lot of people think of Edwards-Helaire as a bowling ball stout runner, and at 5’8, 209 pounds, he fits that mold, but really, both Swift and Dobbins aren’t much taller than Edwards-Helaire.

He is more quick than fast, but that quickness goes a long way to breaking a lot of tackles.  On tape you can see his toughness on each carrry as he fights for yards.  But on paper, what some people miss is that he is one of the best backs on this list in terms of ball security.  He just doesn’t fumble a lot.

These are the four backs that are most likely to be selected before round 2 is over.  But there are plenty of others backs in this draft, and we will take a closer look at them next time.




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809 Responses to Piggy Kiper Reviews Running Backs

  1. naplesfan2010 says:

    I really respect the opinions expressed on here,
    but I think it would be a real waste to draft either a CB, LB, or WR before the 4th round.

    We MUST get this o-line fixed. It’s really holding us back.

    I love Simmons, if we are going to play him at Safety.
    But we need LT, RT, RB, a HOF Sackmeister off the edge, Safety, mauler DT, and TE more.

  2. Tim Knight says:

    Based on what we did in FA, I expect us to target the same type of players in the draft. Smart, loves football, productive.

  3. ocalarob says:

    The governor has concluded that golf is essential 1 cart per player you can’t touch the pin or the cup

  4. CavalierKong says:

    Watching Philly at Miami. I completely forgot about Nik Needham. He really came on in the 2nd half of the season. Our secondary has the potential to be best in the league.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      wait until we get two months into this quarantine – you will end up re-watching the shuffleboard championship then!

    • Rockphin says:

      watch him earlier in the year. He was toasted regularly

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yep, I remember. I wrote him off as JAG early in the season. He developed quickly and had two or three really excellent games, then evened out to a solid CB the rest of the year. He should only get better too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Adding Byron Jones to a secondary this year that we shut down last year with X corner and McCain at safety, the emergence of Rowe at safety and Needham at corner. There’s your top 5.

  5. steveccnv says:

    Watching jets game II. Laird is terrible, if was any slower…not much power either.

    • Tim Knight says:


    • steveccnv says:

      He had a couple of nice open runs in the 2nd half, but a horrible play on a catch one yard short of the 1st down, ran outside instead of a time 1st down inside, like he could run away from someone. Very pedestrian like RB.

  6. steveccnv says:

    Wow the Thomas TD was horrible, never had possession.

  7. steveccnv says:

    Ford looks good.

  8. CavalierKong says:

    Did the NFL keep the pass interference replay rule for 2020 or did they do away with it?

  9. steveccnv says:

    Didn’t realize we made 7 fgs. The last PI was horseshit, the DB had his hand on the shoulder, but didn’t turn him until after the ball passed by. That’s aight though we didn’t need the extra win, I like picking 5th.

  10. pheloniusphish says:

  11. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – You’re the exception to the rule then, believe me. Between twitter and FB, it’s amazing the drama and vitriol about Trump. I constantly see “Trump said this” “Trump said that” It’s a life and death situation” and these people exaggerate no end. The other half I see is Trump supporters ripping the hell out of liberals and the guys that DBolt brought up, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff etc. I’m tired of ALL of it, it’s sickening. When Trump said last week if he could keep the death toll to 100,000 in the US he would consider that a win. People went crazy. In a month or so when the toll greatly exceeds that they will see what he was saying. If you held anyone alive to every word they said they would come up short. It’s exhausting . . . Anyways, that’s what I see.

  12. Krishna says:

    Freddie Mercury and Queen…nice.

    Trump, a long time ago, I followed him and impressed me as a savvy businessman and forward thinking.

    Boy, have things changed. In the early years, followed Rush Limbaugh, too. My NY life.

    Then, the lies, the corruption, the hypocrisy in their words and their ACTIONS (which typically follow words) have turned me off completely. Can’t stand either one now, and still try to listen to them. Always painful though, but I do do it. Mrs. K would be furious with me if I turned on Rush to just “tune in” to the bombastic, shock jock.

    Living in conspiracy theory world is the true fake news.

    I can and do change, based on what I experience and witness in my life. Do you? Have you? Can you? Are you even willing?

    Put blinders on and excuse bad behavior, poor judgement, blaming others, because he’s your guy?

    Deconstructing the central institutions was Steve Bannon ideology, embraced by Trump, his first and critical advisor, is on full display, and to me, is what is being seen today. This is years in the making, the last 3.

    Coordinating FEMA, HHS, CDC, logistics, distribution, and supplies needs to be centralized and clearly to this point is abject failure due in part to this ideology and continued poor leadership.

    No testing and tracing STILL. Failure on a pandemic level. Just stupid, IMO. How can you contain and mitigate without knowing where your enemy is. Reconisence is a vital military tactic and is the best analogy I can draw regarding the efficacy of testing and tracing.

    Blaming 2-3 administration’s ago is such a cop out. Giving Trump credit the economy turned on dime as soon as he was elected is also bullshit. People see what they want to see.

    It’s hard to be fair minded and put prejudices aside. Leadership is hard. Listening and changing views is hard.

    I am not attacking anyone with this post. My references are my feeble attempt to address issues I disagree with, respectfully.

    • steveccnv says:

      Lol, I am not attacking anyone with this post. You could’ve replaced that with bless her heart.

      • steveccnv says:

        For years, and still to this day, most people bitched about the corruption in our govt, then we get someone who sticks his neck on the line, knowing he’s going to get a backlash, and tries to clean things up and all we hear from the haters is what the left and fake media are telling them.

        Who gives a shit, if he has an orange face or doesn’t do everything perfect or says something that offends a few people or exaggerates? Look at the big picture and the direction he’s taking us.

  13. D says:

    What i hate about the politics right now is there isn’t anything new brought to the argument, and definitely not a lot of factual stuff there, its 99% a rehashing of the same feeling about Trump vs arguments over what people think specifically he did wrong and what should have been done instead that made it wrong. You cant just go “Coronavirus” and then start the “Orange man Bad!” rhetoric, bring back up thirty different subjects already hashed out in the past, and bring up problems with his personality like “racist” and “twitter asshole” etc and that be you argument for the here an now issues. When you do, you look like just a person who really hates him, and every subject is just your sounding board for you hate.The same goes for support, bringing up all these other previously hashed out reasons for liking him isnt relevant to the here and now, its based off your personal opinion of him, or thing done in the past, and thusly only shows that you like him and think well of him as the President.

    My problem with all of this, is these aren’t helping anything its just an open forum to bring back up an already locked in opinion of him.Thats why i was saying yesterday, leave the politics out of the Coronavirus discussion, it only hurts your arguments because it shows blind hatred or support for one side or the other, Coronavirus is a human tragedy, its a human problem with a human solution, not a political one. People need to start behaving themselves and we need to get this shit under control by doing our part. Trump didnt cause the virus, he didnt cause the spread and he wont be the solution to the virus problem. This isnt politics it human life, so for the love of god stop using it as a sounding board for your political opinions, its actually pretty insensitive to do so.

  14. ocalarob says:

    I like Mike’s take on this shit. To sit there and point fingers left and right in hopes to gain a political edge or whatever else drives ones agenda amid this crisis when thousands are dying is ridiculous.

  15. ocalarob says:

    The projection models show that the peak will hit in May. And then we come down from the apex and it flattens out for a period of time and continuing through the summer.

  16. ocalarob says:

    With all the high priced NFL players and the diminished economy. I just wonder how the owners will pay these players. Will next years season be without fans in the stadium? Will tv revenues decrease?

  17. The Flying Pig says:

    Jared Kushner, a guy who with no public health experience, virtually no real work experience, who has defrauded the state of New York, is a notable slum lord, and who’s brother owns Oscar health insurance, is the point man for the corona virus team bc he happens to be married to the presidents daughter

    And I’m not supposed to point fingers

    Yes, people are dying, more will die if handled recklessly

    You guys might look the other way faced with lack of experience, incompetence, nepotism and conflicts of interest

    I don’t. I don’t think a global pandemic is a place to give Kushner a shot

    I’ll be pointing fingers. I believe in accountability. They better get this right and so far…it doesn’t look that way to me

    • steveccnv says:

      Why is there such a disparity state to state? Because each state handles it differently, so the local level has by far more impact.

      Why has Cuomo only made the anti-malaria drugs available from hospitals? I think he’s done the worst job in the country, yet the left is prepping him for president.

      Here the people in the stores are FN idiots they don’t observe social distancing. At Costco they have cashier shields, limit people in the store, yet they have people line up on top of each other waiting to get in, and throughout the store people bunch up.

      Until more people take this serious and do what they’re supposed to it will continue to get worse.

    • D says:

      Piggy, the politicians and their handling of this situation a a minor part of the overall problem and you are making it seem like you put full blame of it on it. Thats very cavalier to do that. You have to put this shit on the population, when you see people partying it up on beaches while this shit is in full bloom, when you see people ignoring the call to stay in side and not go out, thats who is spreading this, thats who is making the handling of the issue difficult. They could have the most appropriate person in place to handle this and they would be an abject failure because they cant make happen what needs to unless they go fucking Nazi on us and start throwing potentially sick people or people who have been in contact with sick people in fucking quarantine camps and i dont think anyone wants to see that do you?

      Thats government ability to control this situation is just managing the crisis part of it, keeping the economy from crashing, keeping the people from going broken, keeping the ill alive as best as possible. They cant make the virus stop, they cant flatten the curve, WE have to flatten it and stop the spread by not putting ourselves in contact and not putting others in contact, by quarantining ourselves. So far they have been protecting our freedoms, the next step is martial law and that is the government handling stuff, you dont want that to happen i promise ya.

      • steveccnv says:

        And in general that’s the problem we have, a large part of society, they want the govt to do it and not be held accountable for themselves.

        Above someone said they want to hold the govt accountable for their actions, which I have no problem with, but accountability shouldn’t stop there.

        We’re all in this together, that means it’s up to all of us to fix it. You’re only as strong as your weakest link.

  18. D says:

    Everything i have seen and just looking at the data from China, my guess is May is the month we should see light at the end of the tunnel and June should be the month that we start to get close to the source of the light. I feel by end of June this will be pretty under control.

    • D says:

      Like i said above though, it really depends on people doing what the fuck they are being told. You cant ignore the governments notifications and then fucking call out government officials for the cause of it.

      • New Age says:

        I really want to see our responses to China after this. They just released a bio-weapon on the world. Shouldn’t they be held accountable? China has a long history of cannibalism and their eating habits today aren’t much better. They need shunned until they can learn civilized eating habits.

    • steveccnv says:

      Lol, data from China.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Its not exactly reliable – they were beating protesting in Hong Kong a few months ago….

  19. TryPod says:

    Lean On Me- RIP Bill Withers.

  20. bookman11 says:

    I hate politics in a “normal” situation, I detest it even more now. When I see someone not following social distancing and proper hygiene, I don’t see them as Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative…I just see them as an idiot. in today’s information age, you do not need the politicians to tell you what to do, the information is, and has been out there on what to do, and not to do. when are some people going to just take responsibilities for themselves and quit blaming others? Just my 2 cents.

    Let just learn and move forward, and pray.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s the problem, you want the people to do what the govt tells them now for social distancing, but the left has been telling them all along it’s ok you can do what you want we’ll take care of you. So which govt officials do they follow? The ones that tell them what they want to hear.

      • bookman11 says:

        People just need to educate themselves, there is information out there outside of politicians….just do the right thing!

  21. Mike E. says:

    In general there is a palpable desperation to get Trump out of office and when you’re desperate, you will do anything and everything above and below the belt to make sure you accomplish what is making you so desperate. I think it’s pretty clear from what we’ve seen from the left and Democrats that this is the case. If I had to picture what the President of the US would be, Trump doesn’t hit on may of the points I would expect a President to be. He in some ways acts like we do right here, which is unbecoming for a President. His media and social media interactions are beyond bizarre, but I think the same way the Dems and left and liberal media are desperate to dispose of Trump, he uses social media to defend himself and get his message out. It looks childish and immature, because it is, but that’s his defense against the constant attacking he receives.

    • New Age says:

      Our media is almost completely one-sided and has been for decades. It went from an institution which was supposed to inform us of news to a political arm of the DNP. We can’t escape it anywhere because our sports media is just as bad. PBS, all through our TV, everywhere. I don’t blame Trump for his tactics. He isn’t allowed the same defenses his opponents enjoy.

      I can’t respect Dems today. They are trying to either elect a communist or a guy who is suffering from dementia. Is that your answer to Trump?!! LMAO. Maybe Cuomo can save you! Lol.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      If you are essentially saying “Trump is bad but this other person is also bad” you are looking at him the wring way.

      Can you imagine treating the other aspects of your life that way. “This tomato in my salad is rotten, but this lettuce is also horrible, I’m going to chow down on this rotten tomato!”

  22. The Flying Pig says:


    I think part of the disparity right now in states is exposure and population density. But generally I agree, states handle it differently. I think that’s a problem though in a global pandemic. A uniform approach, even if they are just guidelines, may be better. There are 10th amendment limitations to that, but there are also federal emergency powers that override those concerns.

    Aside from that, I completely agree that people need to take it more seriously. A lot of that is our of the Federal, State or City’s hands. Some of it is just individual responsibility.

  23. The Flying Pig says:


    I’m not making it seem like its the full responsibility of the federal government or any government
    But don’t ask me not to point fingers. Kushner isn’t qualified for this. He shouldn’t be in the room.

    If you start parsing responsibility out to Federal, State, City, or individuals, it doesn’t change that each of them have responsibilities of their own. I can blame idiots on spring break and still call out the lack of qualifications of people at the federal level. I can do both.

    Can everyone please stop defending Trump or his administration by saying some one else is also did _________. That’s all I ever hear. We are not supposed to hold the President to account because other people can be held to account too? I’m not buying that. I never bought that. The game of blame anyone else but me is the game Trump has been playing since Day 1. Its practically a cultural institution now to mention some one else when Trump is blamed for anything.

    Appointing his wife’s unqualified shitbag husband puts us all at risk. It not a defense that the ings other people do put us at risk too.

    • steveccnv says:

      When you only point fingers one way…

    • pheloniusphish says:

      It’s not so much a defense of Trump as it a defense against those who would place all the blame on him. Which shows complete ignorance of our government and recent history.

      Now….I’m not talking politics with you cavalier fucks anymore.

    • New Age says:

      Kushner isn’t heading the entire team though, is he? Being a part of the team, why exactly is it bad? Did he suddenly become the decision maker?

  24. steveccnv says:

    There’s no question the population density in NYC has been an issue, but even so you can’t say Cuomo has done a good job.

    A uniform approach could work, if guidelines were put in for certain thresholds, such as when a city hits this number of deaths do this, but this isn’t something we as a country were prepared for or expected.

    Just as Cuomo hasn’t done a good job with some things Trump hasn’t either, but there’s a fine line between what you can do and what you should do. They’ve got the top brains in the country trying to figure this out and it isn’t easy. It’s not like a particular stance on a foreign policy, where one side isn’t any more right than the other, just different.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think, in terms of communication, Cuomo is doing about ten times the job Trump is
      I’ve never felt misled about the seriousness of the virus from Cuomo – and I cant say that about Trump

      Cuomo shut down schools and courts belatedly – but he still took action
      encouraging people to stay at home was slower than I would like
      I don’t think his shutdown of the restaurants and bars was belated

      My brother is in Seattle and his city was hit before mine. But they were basically taking those steps at the same time. But it was already too late

      Again, I don’t blame Trump for the way its spread based on the information I know. I do think he was slow to take it seriously and a lot of people follow his lead. I think his priority was the stock market instead of public health. I think most of his daily press conference don;t offer much. But I think the spread in densly populated areas was inevitable.

      • New Age says:

        Cuomo said he made a mistake in shutting everything down. But isn’t that what he was supposed to do? Very confusing. He also was very slow to take this seriously. I see an almost exact mirror with how these men responded except Trump was trying to prevent flights from China and Cuomo didn’t or possibly couldn’t? I know Trump has higher responsibilities and maybe better information but I don;t really see a difference in how they responded…just in how it was received.

        What you like is that Cuomo is a better communicator? Not necessarily a better leader, he just sounds nice? Honestly, isn’t that part of it? That Trump sounds stupid to you?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yes, Trump sounds dumb to me. It’s part of why I don’t like him as president. I never deny that.

        I think Cuomo is a better leader too. But the reasons for that are going to pull down the blog with political talk and I’m trying to end it for now.

        A governor can’t shut down flights bc its federal jurisdiction. Likewise, I’m not sure the 10th amendment would permit the president shutting down schools. But I doubt anyone would have challenged that – still I don’t expect Trump to take that action either, that is for governors to do.

  25. CavalierKong says:

    I’ve seen the word ‘cavalier’ thrown around this blog recently in a very…well, cavalier fashion. I respectfully request people be more cognizant of their insensitivity and how this may affect your fellow blog commentors as it is part of their name (not naming anyone in particular).

    And I notice that no one answered my question above about the pass int. challenge rule. I bet it’s because no one knew the answer, just like none of us knew about the NFL free pass. I had to learn about it from the Bills fan at work!

    What’s going on here? This used to be a knowledgeable football blog. Now it’s just a bunch of old white dudes arguing with Piggy and Krishna about how great Trump is. Oh yeah, and coronavirus. Sad state of affairs. We need FMU blog 1st rd draft selection lists, projected starting lineups, win totals, the works! Ya’ll need to get your game faces on.

  26. pheloniusphish says:

    New blog milestone. The word “cavalier” has been used twice within 24-hours.

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    Okay – back to football

  28. steveccnv says:

    How much do we really know about Kushner’s qualifications? AOC was a bartender, does that mean she’s not qualified to be in Congress? Yet she’s the new face of the dem party. I don’t see any fingers pointed that way.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      She’s an elected official. Kushner is appointed. I think there’s a difference.

      She’s just outside of my district, but I would not have voted for her over Crowley in 2018. I didn’t vote for the hack she endorsed for Queens DA based on lack of experience

      I think Trump was unqualified to be president too, but he won an election.

      I can blame people who voted for ignoring experience, which I often do.

      But the blame for unqualified Kushner being appointed, goes directly to the people who appointed him, it does not go to the voter. So when I judge the response, I judge those appointments as well.

      • Mike E. says:

        Ha!!! Elected official! I’d remind you that Trump was elected too. How hard is it for any Dem to get elected in NY?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        She beat Joe Crowley on the primary Mike. I mentioned Trump is elected too. Blame the people who voted for voting for inexperienced candidates

        blame the people making the appointment for unqualified appointments

  29. The Flying Pig says:

    Do you guys want to coordinate a mock draft?

  30. New Age says:

    We could see who wants to be involved and spread the teams out as much as possible? Do we want a full 7 round mock or just the juicy earlier rounds?

  31. The Flying Pig says:

    Who’s in for a mock draft?
    What are the suggested times?

  32. ocalarob says:

    Can we coordinate a mock 2020 election?

  33. Randy says:

    I wrote a 3 paragraph rant about politicians and then decided to just say: They all suck ass, and it’s time for a Revolution! Where the hell is the ship full of tea? Probably quarantined.

  34. Mike E. says:

    Just from experience here I’d say one RD is enough. Maybe we could try a couple of different ways of doing it though, in order to get it as accurate as possible

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I just love day 2….
      but this year we get 3 picks in the first, so its probably enough

      • New Age says:

        I like 3 rounds too but wouldn’t mind if we stopped at the natural 96 instead of the awarded picks. It would give us an idea of top 100 for this class.

  35. ocalarob says:

    Back in the early 1,900s the Mexicans had what was compared to the Boston tea party, they were importing Hellman’s mayonnaise when it just started getting going from England, the englisht raise their prices, and when the ship sailed into the harbor to deliver the Mexican mayonnaise the Mexicans sunk the ship, and that’s why you have cinco de mayo

  36. TryPod says:

    Wait- you’re telling me that this site is predominantly populated by old white dudes? How can you be so sure? 😳

    • CavalierKong says:


      And just to have it on record – I’m a middle aged white dude, so by the unwritten rules of holy PC law, it’s ok if I cast aspersions that direction, lol.

  37. D says:

    Piggy i thought i very clearly said that people shouldn’t be talking any political rhetoric, not pro or anti trump. I dont have a side here except that politics shouldnt be part of this discussion. We shouldnt be worried about the politics of this issue right now we need to focus on our own part and our own survival. The politics just muddies the water, there is no reason to see some of the outlandish Tumps bashing about 32 flovors of their hate for him. There should be no reason we are looking to impeach him in the middle of this shit (which i read something today that said the Dems are going to come back around to that now because of all this shit. We have bigger fish to fry than regurgitating this bullshit rhetoric, and again on both sides i see your point too, but that doesnt mean that adding to the pile by firing back to shoot down the Trump supporters does any good here. It just needs to stop. Put energies toward fixing the fucking problem before going back to politics as normal.

  38. D says:

    Cinco de mayo will never be the same to me, my Dad passed away on that holiday, so i could give a fuck if its ruined lol

  39. D says:

    Kong, whats your interpertation of the word cavalier, i consider it a nicer way to say someone isnt being fair with their statement, i guess what im saying is i dont think cavalier is very cavalier

  40. D says:

    I guess i mean i think saying you are being a little cavalier to me is said with the intention of saying, i dont know if you considered the fact that that satement is a bit one sided or unfair, its not a term i have ever associated with condemning a person, which is what i gather you are believing it is.

  41. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    April 3, 2020 at 12:16 pm


    And just to have it on record – I’m a middle aged white dude, so by the unwritten rules of holy PC law, it’s ok if I cast aspersions that direction, lol.
    I actually took this rule and adapted it to the modern acceptance that you can identify as things you aren’t and decided i just killed racism.

  42. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – I hate to even continue this dialogue but I just caught your comment about if I think Trump is bad etc etc. I’d have to be blind not to see his faults or a liar not to admit them, but regardless there isn’t a Democratic candidate I’d rather have President more than him. Biden probably wouldn’t be horrible but I’m not sure he’s mentally fit to handle this right now. Bernie is from another planet, I could never support him.

    • D says:

      Biden, i personally feel shows signs of early dementia and i think if not for lack of other better candidates the democrats would not be supporting him. He is so much like trump in the foot in the mouth departments i dont know who i would promote to director of that division. Its sad our political candidate pool and its been this way for over a decade now. Me personally, id rather have GW Bush over any of the past candidates and you know what kinda buffoon he was made out to be. Its like i always say, the best looking terd in the toilet is still shit….i purposfully abstained from voting this last time, i couldnt give my support to either candidate and feel like i did the world a service. Im fed up with it too. Im ready for a reset button, hell im pretty ready for a reset button on society as a whole these days. This planet deserves better than us.

  43. CavalierKong says:

    I understand the meaning, it’s part of my name for a reason, lol. It’s not a word you see used a lot and I’d guess most people don’t know the meaning, but it suddenly became the word du jour in the last 24 hours. I was just drawing attention to it, and the fact it is part of my name was an easy way to work in the joke.

    • D says:

      Oh i see, sorry i just broke down mentally and didnt put those two together lol.

      • CavalierKong says:

        LOL, no worries, bro.

        I’m happy it’s Friday, and I have football to watch now, so all my posts will likely be nonchalant and silly, lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Saying someone is being cavalier is typically casting a negative light on someone’s attitude towards something. It’s a mild rebuke, but still not a positive thing, so that’s why the joke, etc.

      • D says:

        Its wierd, and this is a lot of the reason text doesnt come across just like ya always want it to, but to me its more cautionary, not a rebuke. I dont tend to case many judgements, as much as i like to make people think about what they have said. If someone told me i was being cavalier i honest would immediately start looking at what i said to see if i could see their point. I dont at all take that word as a rebuke, either that or i see getting rebuked a whole lot less offensive than other do. I certainly see what ya mean though and i see the joke too lol, i just didnt put two and two together until just now.

      • CavalierKong says:

        It’s semantics so of course yours is a valid interpretation of usage too. Obviously, it’s all contextual.

        When I’m being cavalier, it’s usually obnoxiously so, lol. For me, someone with a cavalier attitude by definition doesn’t care, so it’s always had a negative connotation in my mind. But it can easily be used as a cautionary, or a way of pointing out with intent to correct as well. Cheers 🙂

  44. Mike E. says:

    Randy – I have to tell you, you were in my dream last night. We were sitting down at a dinner table with a bunch of folks, maybe 10 other people. Of course I never met you so I have no idea what you really look like but it was you nonetheless. There’s a woman opposite us and I’m looking at her thinking she looks very familiar. Right then, you turn to me and say she looks a lot like Janice. I say holy shit she does! Janice is a girl I went to High School with and was never a friend of mine. I saw her in my area in NJ once and we said hello to each other but that was probably over 20 years ago. Anyway, I say how the fuck do you know Janice? You say to me, how old do you think she is? So I ask “Janice” how old she is and she says 15. I say WOW!, you’re only 15, I thought you were older!. This hillbilly redneck type also sitting at the table with lo9ng blonde hair and facial hair almost up to his eyes says just how fucking old do you want her to look? I have a mind to go over there and bash yer fucking heads in! I’m really surprised by his response and tell him I just thought she looked a girl I went to HS with and meant no disrespect. It was totally bizarre. lol

  45. CavalierKong says:

    Sorry, Try. I’m being confusing, albeit unintentionally. I’m a 100 ft gorilla who identifies as a middle-aged white dude. 🙂

  46. wyoming85 says:

  47. The Flying Pig says:

    If this is the Bills training routine, I think we have the division

  48. bailbondmike says:

    If you are tired of all the finger pointing right now, this is only the beginning. Dems are already writing the sequel to impeach Trump by calling (all ready) for an investigation into the governments response to the coronavirus. They are watching the coronavirus outbreak in the US and working with their media to spin this crisis in the minds of Americans as President Trump’s fault. Every statement regarding the virus will have the President’s name and his responses to the disease attached to it, and it will be painted in a negative light. It’s all ready happening. They are and will continue to do this to put that little bug in everyone’s ear so they won’t be shocked when they decide to impeach him again. When we get over the hump and the # of positive cases and deaths are declining is when the serious finger pointing will begin. Much more than little pokes that have gone on so far. The true culprits who sparked this pandemic, China’s Communist Party, will get a pass in the eyes of Democrats and the media. If Trump gets reelected, you will see Impeach Trump Part II based on some BS from their investigation. It’s going to get much worse. That’s all I have to say about that. Going to wash the vehicles before I have to go to work tonight.

    • New Age says:

      I agree. It’s been played out for far too long.

    • steveccnv says:

      You’re assuming the dems will retain the house.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      It’s not an investigation
      It’s an oversight committee to oversee the 2 trillion dollar relief package

      It’s nearly impossible to impeach Trump before November
      I don’t think that’s the goal of it

      There are republican hacks in the house, like Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes who are calling it an investigation to impeach recklessly

      But it’s really not even directly related to the president. More like the dept of treasury

      Also the house doesn’t need to scheme to impeach him
      They already did impeach him
      They don’t have to Manufacter anything
      They have the votes they need
      And it doesn’t matter what is presented to the senate
      The senate won’t impeach if he shoots someone 5th Avenue

  49. Randy says:

    So, what did I look like in this dream of yours….and was I wearing pants? Lol

    • Mike E. says:

      LOL – I just barely saw your face, you have brown hair, that’s all I remember. I assume you were fully dressed. You looked a little like Michael Madsen with lighter hair for whatever that’s worth.

  50. Rockphin says:

    Mike E. says:
    April 3, 2020 at 12:50 pm
    I keep hearing about it too which makes me NOT want to watch it. lol

    Gay older guy trying to lure young straight men into sex with tigers and meth?

    I’ll pass thanks.

  51. stangerx says:

    Think what will become the signature quote from the 2016 election is:

    “Liberals take Trump literally, but not seriously; Trump’s supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”

    From this board you can see it still applies, except the liberals take him a lot more seriously now.

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s all about the swamp fighting back to his clean the swamp. Corruption in govt will never end, but it needs to be cleaned up. The ones fighting the hardest are the most corrupt.

      • stangerx says:

        Made my living in that swamp. That some cleaning up was in order doesn’t mean that Trump is doing it in the right way though. Two different subjects.

  52. The Flying Pig says:

  53. steveccnv says:

    LSU and Alabama used to play 13-9 games, so what changed? Tua and Burrow. My answer to the question, do you trust LSU and Alabama QBs.

    • New Age says:

      I trust those two. Bama and LSU always had top guys in lots of positions. They finally found some QBs too. Guys like Landry and OBJ played at LSU at the same time and they still never had a season like this before. It’s because of Tua and Burrow(and their QB, coaches and coaching).

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think both teams opened up their offense bc of their QBs

      And that says a lot out those qbs, bc those teams were stacked even in the 13-9 days

  54. The Flying Pig says:

    New avatar

    • stangerx says:

      How is our favorite Pig dealing with the city? You guys are first and other places next.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I haven’t left my apt for a couple of days

        Not even to the grocery store. I’m about to do a grocery run though

      • stangerx says:

        We’ve found out that they will deliver stuff to you. Almost feel like am paying people to be in the line of fire…. but still sleeping at night. They are offering after all.

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    He was trying to sell them to doctors and nurses for 700% above market value

    What a trash human being

  56. stangerx says:

    NFL’s top doc on the virus situation and the 2020 season”

    “We are not at a point where we are saying that is absolutely not going to happen so we should continue our planning and preparations as if we’re going to be able to do that. But obviously we’re going to have to evaluate that along the way. And follow what the recommendations from public health officials and from our infectious disease experts and others.”

  57. Tim Knight says:

    Was watching Mike Florio with Peter King today. King said he knows that Ross loves Burrow and has told his football people at some point and sooner than later he wants them to find our QB. Then made the point about how we’ve been acquiring all that draft capital. Then think about how we attacked FA. That might have been the plan all along so we can make a move for the QB we want. Just some food for thought because it does all add up.

  58. D says:

    My mind runs to wierd places, randomly my brain will be on the subject of Cornavirus and all these facts and figures and then my brain goes, oh i wonder how the Corona beer company will be affected by all this, i mean its got Corona in our minds, but is the good press or bad press, some say nothing is bad press but……. and a little while later i completyely have forgotten the other shit i was looking at and im just like ah fcuck it no reason to try to get back on that train lol.

  59. Randy says:

    I think a particular coach or system a college may run can play a part in how a player is developed and used. But, you have to look past that when evaluating a guy for how you might use him. You can evaluate arm talent, intelligence, leadership, poise and whatever despite the system or coaching. It is part of the evaluation, of course, but you can still get a feel for a guy’s skills….especially these days with all the workouts and videos that are out there. Watching game film is just a part of it now. Were they developed the right way no matter where they went to college? Were they coached to be responsible and consistent with preparation and reliable?
    Saban, as strange as he is in some ways, is a damn good coach. Alabama recruits guys who are Flores type guys…and yes has his pick usually…and Saban teaches them how to win. I have no problem taking guys from his program. But, he has, historically, not run a high scoring, high risk offense….because he almost always has a really good defense….sound familiar? If you start for him and are a leader of the team, you’ve usually earned it. I feel the same way about players from Iowa. Ferentz is a great coach but from that same tree/philosophy. I love that a player might come from a great coach, but I still may not like the player for my team.

  60. Tim Knight says:

    So now we have Hasidic Jews being defiant including a child about socializing in public and purposely coughing on cops trying to get them to disperse. Disgusting!

    • Mike E. says:

      Lakewood which is just about 15 minutes from me has been notorious for arrests for large gatherings. Those Hasidic Jews are so disrespectful to the law and the people who have to enforce the law like the police. They are out of control. I don’t understand where the lack of respect comes from. We’re all human, and whatever religion or sect of religion you believe in I can’t imagine that this kind of thing is being taught.

      • Tim Knight says:

        My late father-in-law who was Jewish used to rant on about how they destroy communities and Lakewood was one he mentioned often. They follow their own rules then claim anti-semitism when they don’t get what they want and communities give in. It’s happening all over NY and NJ.

      • D says:

        Ya’ll got to learn how to keep ya’lls Jews under control like we do down here!

  61. D says:

    It just did it again, i wonder if the OCD germaphobes have any skin left on their hands.

  62. CavalierKong says:

    The only good thing I can see coming out of canceling the NFL season is Belicheat loses a year in his quest to overtake Shula’s wins record.

  63. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    April 3, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Was watching Mike Florio with Peter King today. King said he knows that Ross loves Burrow and has told his football people at some point and sooner than later he wants them to find our QB. Then made the point about how we’ve been acquiring all that draft capital. Then think about how we attacked FA. That might have been the plan all along so we can make a move for the QB we want. Just some food for thought because it does all add up.
    Thats what i have been saying. they didn’t get all those picks to hoard them, they got all those pick to make their move. This year i think for sure, they will take a shot at a QB trading up to do so if they have to to get them. I dont think they would think twice to give up all three first to move up to 1 and get that guy.and while i am kinda a hoarder myself, i get it, thats the whole reason we are where we are with the number of picks we have. We set ourselves to start this process this year and to start the process with a new QB of the future, and we added space to give us extra picks next year to be able to add more around him. I completely think that the actions im seeing from our team, and again, it makes total sense, just have to be open to the idea to see it,

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah it made sense to me how they laid it out. Like I’ve said before, fans love all these draft picks but it might be about doing exactly this.

    • steveccnv says:

      Slmetimes w 7thhen I wonder what the right thing to do is, like trading up, signing a certain FA, I think of how I’d feel if one of our division rivals made the move.

      So would I trade 3 1sts or whatever for Burrow? Following this logic yes.

      • CavalierKong says:

        That makes a lot of sense. I’d be furious if the pets moved up to get burrow no matter what they gave up.

    • D says:

      I do though thing that Tua is the target, and the reason being is, it was Tua Tua Tua, they were going to his games and all that, people literally penciled him in for us, but soon as the “process” started, they start talking nah its Herbert they like best, nah the love Love, nah they are going to go all in and get Burrow, so what is smokescreen and what is realy, to me you look at the point that all the other information started coming in, all the its not Tua stuff started comeing in and around combine, which smells funky to me. Im not saying that i think we pick him but i am saying it seems more likely that the disinformation is that we arent locked in on Tua, because the disinformation started during spin season, not the love affair with him which seems to have been going in since last year.

  64. Tim Knight says:

    D says:
    April 3, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    Ya’ll got to learn how to keep ya’lls Jews under control like we do down here!

    And how do ya’ll do that?

  65. Tim Knight says:

    For me whatever we do in the draft, it’s about what the team looks like on the field and not how we got there.

  66. D says:

    Hint to those on here, if i put an ! in my sentence, good chance im joking lol

  67. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    April 3, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah, he’s going for that record. I’m hoping age catches up to him first, so an extra year makes that a little more likely.
    He seems to have too much left in the tank for that to happen. I want to crush his spirit and make him give up on that goal.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I think he’s too good. IMO the only way he doesn’t get the record is if his health prevents him.

  68. D says:

    And before you guys get all huffy, i identified as a Jew before i said any of that shit so im ok, im allowed.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I know you’re not anti-semitic. 🙂

    • D says:

      Ok so earlier today, probably 10amish i looked up the total case number and it was 258214 in america, i just checked it again, same source, 266671, 8k more CONFIRMED cases in the span of a few hours. Damn.

    • stangerx says:

      D — I’m a jew too , but more in the Tim Whatley way. And not a joke…. the real deal.

      • D says:

        Your a succeful northerner who now lives in south florida, i kinda guessed lol, jk

      • D says:

        I remembered, you and Mikey, Part of being a blonde redneck from the south, gotta keep u on all the Jews when you know they are around….8) BTW i am neither blond, nor have long hair or face beard.

      • stangerx says:

        Reason I brought up Whatley was converted for my first marriage. But my name is still on a scroll in some synagogue somewhere…. so I still get to joke about it. 🙂

  69. D says:

    D says:
    April 3, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    Ok so earlier today, probably 10amish i looked up the total case number and it was 258214 in america, i just checked it again, same source, 266671, 8k more CONFIRMED cases in the span of a few hours. Damn.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah – we are about to get hit with pretty depressing numbers

      I already know about a Nee York Judge I appeared in front of before who died from it.

  70. D says:

    Had a cop buddy of mine down here said he was on duty with 2 or three cops who tested positive. He started getting symptoms too but his test came back negative. His was hayfever which is the ironic part down here is allergy season is in full bloom down here, ok i kinda intended that one. So you start getting symptoms and you are not sure which it is until it really gets bad.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’ve already had a few times when I’ve been nervous bc I didn’t feel good
      Then in felt better the next day
      There’s also a element of paranoia
      Everyone I know in ny has gone through a moment where they say “oh shot do I have it?”

      • Mike E. says:

        I know what you mean, I got an itch in my nose yesterday while I was in the supermarket and I was afraid to sneeze, thought they might burn me or shoot me or something.

      • D says:

        I can imagine, thats such a busy city and the shit has such a long span where people are asymptomatic that it would have to be nerve-racking.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Sacramento is in a valley and has a ton of trees and vegetation. Our pollen levels are always high and it just sits here. 99% of people who have lived here for years have allergies. It may be difficult to know the difference between mild coronary symptoms and allergies.

  71. Mike E. says:

    Those Hasidic Jews don’t even consider “regular” Jews as Jews. We’re not good enough for them. They’re like a radical sect if you ask me.

    • stangerx says:

      Lot of judging in amongst the Chosen Ones. My first wife’s Mom was Conservative and her step Dad Orthodox. Man did he throw some serious shade on his wife’s place and people. Just didn’t do it right apparently. Reformed was like “don’t even talk about it.”

    • D says:

      Yeah i have seen enough of them to know, thats like the Quakers, Mennonites, etc. Some of those guys, which they all are very similar religions sects, some are way crazy with their obedience of their shared beliefs, and others, not so much. Some have somewhat blended with the “english” and others are hard core outsiders to our world and us to theirs.

  72. The Flying Pig says:


    If you sneeze or cough in a grocery store, they take you out back and beat you with all the Sunny Delight no one buys


  73. Mike E. says:

    LMAO Piggy! I tried so hard to stifle the sneeze, you never know how people will react.

    • CavalierKong says:

      People are crazy and react to everything right now, and the funny thing is from what I’ve heard and read, sneezing is actually one of the ways you can tell allergies from the virus because sneezing isn’t a coronavirus symptom.

      • Mike E. says:

        Kong – I actually didn’t know that. So it’s just coughing, or turning blue from respiratory issues?

    • D says:

      Lol ill be really honest and tell you i was being a jokester when the panic first set in and people were buying up shit and i would fake cough when i was a little ways away from someone, not right by them, but i just wanted to see how they would react. I dorpped that shit really fast when it got more serious, that coulda ended up being what cleared a person to shoot me because of stand your ground laws.

  74. D says:

    Almost 58k confirmed in NYC alone. Jesus thats scary.

  75. ocalarob says:

    My friend told me we traded up to 2?

  76. D says:

    D says:
    April 3, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    Ok so earlier today, probably 10amish i looked up the total case number and it was 258214 in america, i just checked it again, same source, 266671, 8k more CONFIRMED cases in the span of a few hours. Damn.
    Now its at 273,880, a rise of around almost another 8k in an hour.

  77. CavalierKong says:


    This is just what I’ve read from a couple of sources, and I saw on a news broadcast, but I don’t know this for actual fact, so take it for what it’s worth. The covid creates respiratory issues and some symptoms similar to allergies, such as loss of taste, coughing, sore throat, etc, as well as fever, but it doesn’t create the nasal congestion, sneezing etc.

    So if you have a stuffy nose, along with those other symptoms, it could be allergies. But in all honesty, who’s to say? Maybe you have both, so I don’t actually know how much it helps knowing covid doesn’t cause sneezing, lol.

  78. Tim Knight says:

    This virus is making many of us who not hypochondriacs become that with any weird feeling, sniffle, cough or sneeze when this time of year especially up north it’s typical. We need warmer weather and sunshine and it’s been fuckin rainy and cloudy in the 40’s and 50’s. Lets go spring, kick it up a notch will ya!!!!

  79. ocalarob says:

    That was bs D. I checked and found nothing. I didnt think it was true. A trade like that would not happen until the last minute

    • Tim Knight says:

      The big trades usually happen prior to the draft – see Redskins with the Rams for #2 with Luck and RGIII available, and Eagles with the Browns for #2 with Goff and Wentz available.

  80. ocalarob says:

    The only reason i would trade up to 2 would be to get chase young

    • New Age says:

      Exactly but Flores has already shown a desire for an elite DE with the Clowney chase. I doubt we spent so much this FA period to do that but he really seems to like his guys on D. For QB, you either go all in for Burrow or hope your guy is at #5.

  81. ocalarob says:

    If we were to trade up to rwo. Would we give up 26 and out 2nd…2nd? The thing of it is taking 3 first rnd picks may be very expensive in the long run

    • Tim Knight says:

      It would probably be at least #5, 18 and our first 2nd and a 1st or 2nd in 2021. Trading up to #1 would be even more. Just look at the deals Redskins for RGIII and Eagles for Wentz to move up to #2.

  82. Tim Knight says:

    This is cool!

  83. son of a son of a shula says:

    My new home burglary business partnership
    Dewey, Skrewem & Howe
    as you can probably imagine is off to a slow start. What with EVERYONE home, Can we qualify for a small business bailout?

  84. son of a son of a shula says:

    I’d put Baker in the Burrow deal if I had to. McMillan or Baker would be a nice sweetener on the deal. I wouldn’t want to put Parker in play on this deal, he’s arriving. Nice friend to any QB with his catch radius.
    5, 26, highest first next year, a second this year and next plus Baker.

  85. Krishna says:

    Is it Friday?

  86. The Flying Pig says:

    The only thing I hear outside of my apt is ambulances all day

  87. The Flying Pig says:

    Turns out bourbon tasted exactly the same during a pandemic….good

  88. Krishna says:

    I saw a video of some dude walking through his neighborhood on recycle day and all the bins were filled with empty bottles of various types of alcohol.

    Yikes…I thought it was just mine.

  89. Tim Knight says:

    Areas that are so heavily concentrated like NYC and surrounding states are naturally going to have bigger numbers than most. People live on top of each other and right next door in buildings. There really is no social distancing.

    This would be the best time in history that you decided you want to live in a cabin and isolated.

  90. The Flying Pig says:

    Apocalyptic song night

  91. The Flying Pig says:
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  95. Tim Knight says:

    Hey Piggy, how about you post one song and let someone else get a chance. LOL

  96. CavalierKong says:

  97. CavalierKong says:

  98. Tim Knight says:

    Great military motivational song. Metallica could have never played this. Not talented enough.

  99. CavalierKong says:

    My favorite Megadeath song…at least today. Love their stuff.

  100. pheloniusphish says:

  101. The Flying Pig says:
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  103. Krishna says:

    LOL…this old white fuck doesn’t know how to add to the playlist.

    Helter Skelter
    Don’t Stand So Close to Me

    Maybe one of those can be added by someone who can do this. I can post the link, but not the visual….

  104. CavalierKong says:

  105. CavalierKong says:

  106. Mike E. says:

    Dig the kettle drums!

  107. Mike E. says:

    Krishna – I went to the liquor store yesterday and spent about $250. It ain’t just you! 😀

  108. Krishna says:

    LOL….thanks all. Not to be a downer but Fridays are hard for me. The music is a respite.

  109. Tim Knight says:

    Kong, do you think Trump and Mustaine are brash? LOL

    That’s all I meant by it. They are both like that and not shy about it.

  110. bailbondmike says:

    I needed something funny.

  111. ocalarob says:

    From the words of freddy mercury.
    Im doing my sentence but committed no crime

    • rich0322 says:

      Yea, I knew the secondary was going to be a focus along with the trenches/edge rusher this off-season. I’ve been saying for a while that CBs were just as important as pass rusher when having a top defense.

      Also, nice shout out for 2 of my all-time favorites, Madison and Surtain. 👍

      • pheloniusphish says:

        If there is a season it will be an interesting defense. Honestly, I expect a trade up for Burrow using two of this year’s 1st rounders and one of next year’s. Then drafting an OT in the first, interior OL/RB/OT in the second.and third.

      • rich0322 says:

        I can definitely roll with that. Though I would like to get another safety and a NT. I wouldn’t mind trading a bunch of day 3 picks to pick up another 3rd rounder too.

  112. TryPod says:


  113. son of a son of a shula says:

    I miss going out to breakfast

  114. ocalarob says:

    Parker was great last year as shown in this video. I just dont understand why anyone would want to give up the plethora of early pick we have to move up for burrow. QB pos is not broken so why fix it?

    • ocalarob says:

      Fitz looks great on these throws

      • steveccnv says:

        Imagine what he’ll look like behind an OL. We heard last year during mini camps what a great connection Fitz had with Parker. I always thought check down Charlie held Parker back. Now he’s making 30M per to hold back Titans WRs.

      • ocalarob says:

        Tanny was unaware of his surroundings. He still is. When he was here he was the most sacked qb. And a lot of that was on him. His success last year had to do with derek henry.
        That said Fitz looks great and we have a huge investment in Rosen. I dont see the qb position as a weakness

  115. son of a son of a shula says:

    Tim, I forgot Aikens was a FA, I thought I remembered him signing an extension early last year.

  116. son of a son of a shula says:

    Cav, glad to see you on top of the Belichick win count. It’ll be sad day if he were to pass Coach Shula

  117. ocalarob says:

    The models show the apex around the beginning of may however this virus will still linger into august and sept or so the experts say.
    If it was just as simple as strapping your chinstrap amd playing there wouldnt be a problem but what about the fans?

    • steveccnv says:

      I’m not sold on the models, but once it slows down I expect them to test all the players/coaches, then put them in a team sort of quarantine, and have an extended training camp. No one else allowed into camp. Then re-evaluate the situation to see, if fans can attend the games. I don’t see any missed games.

  118. ocalarob says:

    Are you actually going to put 60k fans in a stadium sitting side by side within the next maybe minimum 8 months? I doubt it.
    So does the NFL continue to play without fans? That would be a big hit in the wallet for owners.

    • steveccnv says:

      Wouldn’t it be a bigger hit to not play the games? The tv revenue should keep the league afloat. Since players get 47% it would affect them too, maybe not this year, but in the future.

      • ocalarob says:

        Teams dispurse 47% to players however players are under contract for a specific amount. Im not sure if that could be amended as i doubt they thought of that prior to signing the cba. Not sure about that though

  119. ocalarob says:

    I doubt you will see any stadiums with fans at a sporting event until there’s a vaccine.
    That’s a huge problem going forward for the NFL.

  120. Mike E. says:

    Thinking ahead . . . If the games are played in empty stadiums, I’m still down for coming down to FLA for a Fest. We could do everything the same except for the game itself. For the game we could go all to a place like Bokampers and get a big table or a couple of tables and watch the game there. Thoughts?

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Sounds like a plan to me.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Maybe see if we can get a private room set up somewhere.

    • stangerx says:

      Think we have to see how it plays out. But been thinking at some point we might take a year off and if there was ever a year for it….. Getting people to fly in to watch on TV would seem to be the one.

      But lets just see what happens.

  121. pheloniusphish says:

    I love Fitz. He will be a great mentor for another year. But Fitz isn’t the answer.

  122. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – The game itself has never been the focal point of the trip. Especially as bad as we have been. Now we’ll finally be competitive so that will change but I’d love to see everyone, hang out during the week and then I don’t see any real downside hanging out a place like Bokampers and stuffing my face and drinking with all my friends. Could be a helluva lot worse!

  123. son of a son of a shula says:

    In the event that this all ends nicely and the season goes on as planned think of this possible scenario. Miami plays in Jax and then the following week at home or vice versa. Could potentially Fest both games. If it played out like that in October that would be cool.

    • Mike E. says:

      If it doesn’t end up where we can watch at the stadium, we actually have more flexibility because we can go watch an away game too. We’ll see what happens, either way it’s gonna be good

  124. The Flying Pig says:

    I got up at 8 and since I had nothing to do
    Went back to bed

    This sucks

  125. The Flying Pig says:

    My nieces wedding was postponed to 10/24
    So FYI if the fest is 10/24 – I won’t be able to make that date or weekend

  126. The Flying Pig says:

    Thank you Oregon

  127. stangerx says:

    Mike E — people watching the Phins in South Florida and I am there. We don’t know what will be going on yet though. But what Fest Fever!

  128. bookman11 says:

    I am not taking much vacation right now and will probably have many days to burn, a whole week actually might be nice, right on the beach.

  129. son of a son of a shula says:

    Piggs, aren’t you supposed to be raising pigeons up on the roof? Isn’t that what New Yorkers do? That should keep you entertained.

  130. son of a son of a shula says:

    It’ll be tough not hugging all over Piggy though

  131. son of a son of a shula says:

    My mother told me today that her own grandmother died form the 1918 influenza pandemic.

    • stangerx says:

      Sad who you never had the chance to meet. Only met one of my great-grandparents and she had dementia at the time.

  132. CavalierKong says:

    Cheers, Son. I knew you’d be right with me on that one. He’s on a trajectory to break it in 4-5 years. With Brady gone, maybe we can add a year to that (although he won 11 games with flipping Matt Cassell, so we can’t count on it). Throw in a potential lost season and the high end is now 7 years.

    He’s too good, only his health can stop him. But in 7 years a lot can happen. Maybe in two years he’ll start talking like Biden, and we can all breathe a collective sigh of relief and watch him slip into dementia. lmao

  133. The Flying Pig says:

    In case you are nostalgic about how awkward Booker can make the fest

  134. son of a son of a shula says:

    (son checks off box – seed planted to Stanger about Jacksonville game)

  135. Mike E. says:

    Fuck, my friend’s dad just passed away from the Corona Virus. He died a couple of hours ago.

  136. Ken says:

    Did someone say fest?

  137. Tim Knight says:

    So sorry to hear about your friend’s Dad, Mike.

  138. Mike E. says:

    Not sure how old he was, I’d say about 80 or so. Not a very close friend, but a good friend

  139. manitobafinfan says:

    I’d love to do a double up again … Houston/Pats was a lotta fun. Wife wants to go to SF game in CA

  140. manitobafinfan says:

    Our HOF road trip in June is not looking promising at the moment

  141. Randy says:

    So sorry to hear that, man. I remember when one of my closest friends lost his dad. He called me up right after and we had a great conversation about fatherhood and family. He was really close with his dad. It was gut wrenching but so cathartic. Condolences to your friend and his family too.

  142. Mike E. says:

    Thanks all! My friend is such a nice guy, what’s worse is he is also sick with COVID-19, he caught it from his dad. I know he was very close with his dad, my heart goes out to him.

    • stangerx says:

      I’m sorry for your friend’s loss…. even more so that he is dealing with the dastardly thing. Stay safe.

  143. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s pretty much what it would take. That’s one of the benefits of having this kind of draft capital. It’a rare, take advantage of it when you can.

  144. manitobafinfan says:

    Wishing speedy recovery for all affected with this damn thing ..
    Mike : sorry on friends dads passing
    Ken :,stay far away from those family members. You especially need to watch carefully

    • Ken says:

      Believe me I don’t need many excuses to stay away from my brother. Don’t get me wrong, I love my brother but I just don’t always like him

      • manitobafinfan says:

        lol, I hear ya. I have 2 , one I make a point of talking to once a month so doesn’t get passed at me , and another that I have not spoken to outside of Fantasy Football for 4 years, since our Mom passed .. << he is a classic waste of skin

      • Tim Knight says:

        LOL, you’ve talked about that before.

      • Mike E. says:

        LOL @ Hulk! Stay safe pal!

      • Ken says:

        I have another brother that I am very close to but he is out in Oklahoma. So far they have not had it to bad there but they are starting to get cases

  145. Mike E. says:

    Thanks Toba

  146. manitobafinfan says:

    Waiting on line for Geek Squad to assist with running photo slideshows from PC to one TVs in basement… gonna be a long afternoon …

  147. manitobafinfan says:

    Planning to watch Wrestlemania with photo slideshow on side tv .. if that’s the worst of my problems I guess I’m doing okay 🤔🤷‍♂️

  148. manitobafinfan says:

    2nd death of 165 cases here.. still small potatoes compared to most areas

  149. The Flying Pig says:

    Hey Mike if you aren’t going to post a new post. I’m about to. Is that okay or do you have something planned?

  150. Krishna says:

    So sad to see this and I haven’t even turned on the news today. Don’t want to see yet.

    The only way through this, that I see, is a United States acting as one, unified and testing 10x what it is today.

    We’re not doing either. The more each state does there own thing, it’s like pissing in the wind.

    Without testing and tracing you can’t effectively, surgically, isolate, monitor, and assess.

    Another need is quartermastering that vast distribution of supplies from wherever they are to wherever they need to be within hours, days not weeks and months. That’s a federal responsibility.

    Hope we can all come together to make this right sooner rather than later.

    I built a squirrel picnic table today. It’s all the rage.

    • Tim Knight says:

      A friend of mine who is a big cyclist both road and mountain does these crazy long rides from his house in Bergen County, NJ along the Hudson River into NY State and he said people were out and about and the boat basin on the river was mobbed because the sun finally came out. As long as that kind of thing keeps happening, this virus isn’t going away anytime soon.

  151. manitobafinfan says:

    Sitting here hitting refresh over and over to have a shot at first lol

  152. The Flying Pig says:

    New blog up

  153. D says:

    Jesus, up another 50K since yesterday at 5:30, NY has 122k cases of our total 322K……

    • D says:

      Looks like Joisey is catching the spill over, they are number 2 state now with almost 35k cases.

    • D says:

      You NE peeps need to stay the fuck indoors, this getting crazy up there. Specially you elderly types, *stares at Mikey*

      • Mike E. says:

        Well, I’m not working anymore, and I keep my distance from people when I shop. The only other time I go out is to play frisbee with my son or to take a walk down my street while keeping a safe distance from other people. I definitely have not been careless.

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