2019 – Daniel Jones RD1 #6 (Kyler Murray #1)
2018 – Sam Darnold RD1 #3 (Baker Mayfield #1)
2017 – Patrick Mahomes RD1 #10 (Mitchell Trubisky #2)
2016 – Carson Wentz RD1 #2 (Jared Goff #1)
2015 – Marcus Mariota RD1 #2 (Jameis Winston #1)
2014 – Johnny Manziel RD1 #22 (Blake Bortles #3)
2013 – Geno Smith RD2 #22 (E.J. Manuel #16)
2012 – Robert Griffin III #2 (Andrew Luck #1)
2011 – Jake Locker RD1 #8 (Cam Newton #1)
2010 – Tim Tebow RD1 #25 (Sam Bradford #1)
2009 – Mark Sanchez RD1 #5 (Matthew Stafford #1)
2008 – Joe Flacco RD1 #18 (Matt Ryan #3)
2007 – Brady Quinn RD1 #22 (Jamarcus Russell #1)
2006 – Matt Leinart RD#1 #10 (Vince Young #3)
2005 – Aaron Rodgers RD1 #24 (Alex Smith #1)
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So that’s the list of the second QB drafted in each of the last 15 drafts. What’s sometimes more surprising than where they were taken is who was the QB drafted before them and where they were taken. Geno Smith as the second QB taken all the way at pick #54, and E.J. Manuel was the only 1st RD QB in 2013. Patrick Mahomes at #10 8 picks later than Mitch Trubisky eh? There were only 3 years where QB’s went #1 and #2, 2016, 2015 and 2012. Just so you know, I don’t believe this shows any more scientific evidence, but it’s interesting to look at the past, which sometimes reveals the future. I also understand that 15 years ago, the NFL was a different game than the 2020 version but the interesting thing is how much money these first round players were getting paid. We know it all changed after Sam Bradford was drafted #1 in 2010 and signed the most lucrative rookie contract ever in the NFL, 6 YR/$78M with $50M Guaranteed. Aaron Rodgers who slid to #24 in 2005 signed a 5 YR/$7.65M contract.
Let’s start from 2005 and we’ll work our way back to the present. Aaron Rodgers waited 3 full seasons before his 1st start with Brett Favre as the starter. Matt Leinart started after 5 games behind Kurt Warner and finished 4-7. Brady Quinn didn’t start until season 2 and started only 3 games behind Derek Anderson. Joe Flacco started immediately for a stacked Ravens team and went 11-5. Mark Sanchez started immediately for MTP and the Jets and finished 8-7. Tim Tebow started only 3 games but played a fair amount in 9 games although not necessarily as a passer. Jake Locker sat out his entire rookie season. RG III was damn well going to start after they traded a boatload of 1st RD picks for him and he was brilliant until he got injured. The only 2nd RD QB in this group, Geno Smith, started his entire rookie season but Matt Simms was their other QB (who?). Johnny Manziel started only 2 games and was just awful. Marcus Mariota started 12 games and played well but the Titans were pretty bad and they finished 3-9 in his starts. Carson Wentz started immediately and played well although the Iggles went 7-9. Patrick Mahomes started game 16 and won. He’s the guy I consider most similar with Tua. I’ll explain more later. Sam Darnold started 13 games, sat out the first 3 behind Josh McCown. Some may say this is the closest situation to Tua and Fitzpatrick and they might be right. Finally, Daniel Jones started after 4 games and played pretty well despite his 3-9 record.
Why do I think Tua/Fitzpatrick is most similar to Mahomes/Smith? I see 2 veteran QB’s who both have the respect of their HC. Fitzpatrick said it himself, he’ll help Tua in any way he can but Ryan Fitzpatrick wants to be the starting QB this season. Of course mitigating circumstances will no doubt affect how soon Tua starts and I’m not talking about Tua’s health, I’m talking the health of the nation and the Coronavirus pandemic. Having a virtual offseason is not doing Tua any favors. There are rumblings that teams may be able to start OTA’s in June but I fell that unless every single team and their respective states are able to open, that’s not going to happen. Cali is probably the linchpin because they are the least likely to be willing to open up and if they don’t, I don’t see any teams opening because you can’t have some teams working and others not, that takes away the whole parity theme the NFL is built on.
I’ve made it clear (w/o having any actual medical records for Tua) that I feel it would be best to let Ryan Fitzpatrick run this team and if there’s a point of the season where we’re out of it, and Tua is 100%, then I’m fine with giving him the reins, as long as the O-line isn’t a bunch of matadors. On the other hand, I really can’t imagine that he would start immediately, I think that would blow my mind. I want to see what Tua can do, I’m excited that we have arguably the most talented QB in this draft and the most talented QB we’ve had over the last 21 years since Dan Marino left the building. Still, I can’t help but feel that after that devastating hip injury, time will be Tua’s friend. We have so many new faces on our team and we could conceivably have 4-5 new starters on our O-line. Jackson LT, Flowers LG, Karras C, Hunt RG and Davis RT, that’s 4. Plug Kindley in at RG and Hunt at RT that’s 5. Think they might take some time to jell? I don’t want our new QB subjected to that kind of situation, no sir!
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, let em rip!
GO DOLPHINS!!!
#staythecourse
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steveccnv says:
June 8, 2020 at 11:27 am
He’s too far down the depth chart to have much of a chance, he’ll likely need injuries to get that chance.
I like Ford, but he’s JAG, similar to Hurns.
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But that is why I picked him. You can’t be a “Sleeper” if you are expected to be a big contributor.
He is down the depth chart as of last season. I feel he will (FEEL HE WILL) make the most of his chances this season and move up the chart.
I would have to say
Matt Breida – I think he could have a great season! Not sure how much of a sleeper he is though?
Raekwon McMillan – I think with all the pass rushers added he may get more tackles?
All I have to say is that Pistachio is green. Algae is green. Anti-freeze is green. Baby shit is green. MARTIANS ARE GREEN!!
Pistachio Pig! LOL, you’re going all out on the pistachio. I like red bean as an alternative for the basic chocolate or vanilla
I’m going with good ole Bobby McCain as my sleeper. Everyone has him written off, I think he plays an important part of our defense this season
I’ll counter that with Brandon Jones. It was painful watching Bobby play last year. He reminded me of the pretty sister that always came to ask, if she could help with the dishes, just as they were getting done.
When you hit the pistachio hard
Michael “Pistachio” Dieter is my sleeper
Competition gives some guys new life
I thought about him too, but then second guessed myself because although he started 15 of 16 last season he played poorly for the most part. I HOPE he does well and somehow rises to the competition to continue starting, but I can as easily see him moved on from.
wyoming85 says:
June 8, 2020 at 11:43 am
I would have to say
Matt Breida – I think he could have a great season! Not sure how much of a sleeper he is though?
I considered him as well, but passed because it seems like he is part of the “plan” so I don’t see him as a sleeper.
1-2 punch, howard for the tough yards, breida the scat back, chan gailey will spread the d and should have an effective running game which will help in all facets of this team.
a good run game makes everyone shine
Piggy, what the hell is Red Bean? The only place I’ve ever seen it is in Japanese Anime cartoons. Red Bean Buns are very popular in Anime for some reason. (like mentioned way more than you would expect for a snack to be mentioned in multiple different shows)
ooops I meant this to Mike E not Piggy.
It was me
The color really varies though. Most often it’s grayish purple, which I think is pretty wild looking. I’d say it tastes a lot like vanilla, but it’s more fun to look at and the texture is different because of the beans.
Its also different in the fact that it not only can make lactose intolerant people flatulent but regular folks too.
Has Asian writing on it. Must be a Japanese thing. Like I said, I have only ever heard of red bean flavor on Anime cartoons. HUH, something new to try.
My sleeper is going to be Noah Igmahogany I think he is going to make an impact pretty much right off, which i dont think most people believe since they see him as our NCB/Slot CB. If im overruled by the left 🙂 then ill take Perry as my sleeper.
he’s got the name, im a hog any…..balls that come my way
chili beans?
Chinese cultures use bean paste in a lot of their deserts. Some of the pastries filled with bean paste are delicious.
ive dumped some bean paste just this morn
Worst shits evah, i call it the PB sjits, have to wipe for 30 minutes when you take one of those.
Like cleaning peanut butter out of shag carpet with a tissue. LOL
Deiter needed help adjusting to the NFL, most OL coming out of college struggle a little with the speed of the game changes. With a better supporting cast he probably would have been a lot better and would have progressed a lot better, but he didnt have that so this is the year i look for progress and if he does he could be a good one, he is a prototype OG.
Rock – All the hibachi Japanese restaurants around here and probably all over offer red bean ice cream. It’s pretty good, and definitely cool to look at
Some of the other Asian restaurant types do to, not just Japanese. Most of the new Asian restaurants are hybrid/fusion places anyways.
That’s true, plenty like that here
Well, i am gonna try it. I will keep my eyes open for it on the menu the next time I go for Asian food. (I am not going to run out to see if my local Publics has it though. LOL)
Last month I got sucked into an Anime fest on Netflix. (watched one and then all the suggestions were other Anime, and since I have almost finished Netflix I watched them) This one was all about a serial killer, but they mentioned Red Bean Buns like 100 times in the show so I became “aware” of a desert based upon beans, which is bizarre in our culture. I liked Garlic Ice Cream so I will give Red Bean a shot too.
Don’t be disappointed if it tastes a lot like vanilla. 🙂
I think you can taste the bean a little, but yeah its pretty much vanilla with a hint of earthiness to it and kind of “a bit nutty”
We know the truth, Mike.
You and and your pistachios – gangnam style…
…Kong gives rich, bellowing liberal laugh…
Two doughty companions hunting down some ice cream
There is a place near Knoxville TN called Tick Tock and its damn amazing icecream, their Coffee Icecream and Pistachio are something id fight over the last scoop of.
D,
I’m not much for coffee flavor, but I’d like to try some high end pistachio. I’ve got family NE of Knoxville, I might have to look that place up next time I’m back east.
Its a little SE of Knoxville in a town called Lenor i think
Sorry its Loudon TN,
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g55167-d834598-Reviews-Tic_Toc_Ice_Cream_Parlor-Loudon_Tennessee.html
They use a local dairy and make their own icecreams. Mayfield is out of the same area and use to source their milk from local dairies too but they got bought out by a corporation and im not sure where they source their milk anymore.
Im not a fan of rum raisin but they have a really good one i’m told.
Thanks D! I’m traveling to Rome, GA in a few weeks and will have to try it out either on the way or way back. I go right through Knoxville and we both love ice cream.
They have a pretty good Colombian restaurant there as well, use to be a Cuban place and it was also very good but i guess its location (which isn’t really easy to spot it) didnt work out for them. Its closer into Knoxville
Cheers!
Next time im out that way, im stopping by Asheville NC and seeing if i can catch a contact buzz sampling all the breweries they have around there. Really great beer there.One of my favorite brewries right now is called Wicked Weed, and its based there.
Piggy, are they defunding the police in NYC, i heard thats being proposed there, but i dont know if its a full defund like Minny or a cutback on the budgeting.
I doubt it
But I’ve seen a few versions of what defunding means now…
It wouldn’t surprise if they really cut their budget….it’s pretty bloated
Mike’s new home
Nice big backyard, and plenty of parking to invite friends over for an ice cream social.
You should see the shithole that’s shaped like a red bean!
Not gonna lie
I love Whoopie Pies
This looks amazing
No
No, they really don’t. They look like they were left out too long. LOL
Look pretty good to me too.
Well PFF, could you maybe elaborate a little on what that means?
He’s 3rd in yards on one stat, then the other doesn’t use the same date range. I mean WTF?
U75 at their finest🤔
It’s like saying, there once was this BB player, he was one of the best scorers in the league, but his ability to elude defenders was poor.
Then let me make up my own definition of elusive. And stats like these are available in our premium subscription package.
Ok so what’s your point PFF?
Basically RB stats from another team are mostly useless, like scouting a college RB.
And then there’s the brilliant article from the Herald, 2011 lockout offers clues for how the Dolphins will…
I’m really not putting much stock into what one of our previous coaches did 9 years ago.
Tua might love his speed
With Tua’s arm strength and accuracy these 2 could be besties😉
All I could think of watching that was oh fuck! Does he come out of the break fast or what?
I was watching some highlights of a 2019 game recently, and on a 4th and 3, from the slot he ran a drag route and got the 1st down. He looked great on that play, mostly unstoppable.
He should fit right into Chan’s O. He could be our Tyreek Hill. Wishful thinking, but the only thing that can stop him is himself or injuries.
He’s been one of those guys that you watch play and say wow! He’s the best player on the field, even though his measurables don’t match up with other great players.
He’s too small and slow, but his quickness and elusiveness make his game speed so much faster.
He’ll be fun to watch in preseason.
I didn’t pay much attention to Rowe last year, but they said he played well, after the move to S, and got a 3 year contract extension.
What do you guys think of him as an S?
I liked Rowe. I thought he did play well when they finally moved him to safety. He seemed to be more confident there.
He’s part of the reason why I didn’t understand why everyone thought we had such a huge need at the S position. Between Rowe and either McCain, Colbert, Fejedelem, Parker, Igbinoghene, Brandon Jones and Kevin Frazier, I think we’re pretty good at safety
I also think McCain has a bounce back year
I’d put Igbinoghene/Jones at FS and McCain at Nickel, then I think we’re strong on the back end, but I really don’t know much about the other 8 guys that can play FS. Flores doesn’t F around, he seems to be into depth galore all over the roster.
From what I remember he played better at S.
He was always trailing as a CB, so playing S with CB skills was a good move for him.
Another thing Flores brings, move them around until they fit. Other coaches did it too, but his moves seem to work.
Another position we need someone to step up at is RG, yet again Flores has 8 guys that can play the position.
Camp is going to be a dog fight.
I expect to see guys like Kindley/Deiter if they don’t make it as a starter play in some unbalanced line packages, instead of having an extra TE on the field to block.
With depth comes weird formations, sometimes, just to get these guys on the field.
Good SI article on why Dalvin Cook is probably a pipe dream. He’s asking for McCaffrey money at 16M, he’s missed 19 games in 3 years. Last year he played in 14 games, but seemed to wear down the last 8 weeks. They didn’t mention, if the schedule was tougher down the stretch or if he was game planned against…the typical stuff that makes stats mean what you want.
Lets see if my new browser lets me past the rope in this place.
Bingo — Chrome and Internet Explorer don’t like FU. Hope others aren’t having the same problem… and part of the problem is you can’t say you have a problem.
LOL – Like screaming in a rubber room!
Are you using Firefox now?
Stanger – I use chrome at work and it works fine
2 browser man now….. and Firefox is the 2nd. Can guarantee Chrome does not work for me.
Weird part about it was just happened one night. And did to Rock as well. You guys talk to Twice and Herd about it?
I have not. Only thing that makes sense is that there is WordPress compatibility all of a sudden. I’m able to use Chrome, Firefox and even Safari which is a Mac web browser. I know on my phone occasionally with chrome I have hiccups but I figure it might be an Android issue, not chrome.
Maybe I’m just using old version Chrome, but it is the most popular out there. Hope hasn’t bothered other folks who stop by.
Ok, so hearing there some technical difficulties…for starters, I temporarily removed to Fest Poll from the sidebar, as that’s the only real (externally pointing) change that’s happened to the site recently. So now that I’ve done that, for those of you having problems try the following (warning these steps will likely cause you to have to log back into ALL your sites you visit and lose ome locally cached info so do at own risk): 1. Clear your cache in Chrome (yes, one more time if already tried before). 2. If that doesn’t work explicitly clear your cookies in Chrome. If that’s too extreme for you, then there is a way to clear or reset cookies for only certain sites in Chrome (for example, finsmobunleashed.com) and leave the rest of your visited sites alone. Follow the steps under “2. How to Clear Cookies for a Site Automatically” at the following link: https://whatvwant.com/chrome-clear-cookies-for-one-site/
Can’t guarantee any of that will work, but it’s a start. Of course the above will also require you to log in every time you have a new session to post any comments. One other thing to consider – if you keep a session/credentials open to a site for a *long* time, things can go stale and get wacky.So always a good idea to end the session and start a new one once in a while anyway. Let me know if any of that works.
Thanks Twice. I have things working now and not gonna mess. If it helps you trouble shoot…. rest the web worked just fine for me via Chrome except for here. And was using Chrome with a desk top…. as was Rock (who also downloaded Firefox). Internet Explorer was a no go for me as well.
Also if it helps on figuring out — whole board is deconstructed before for me via Chrome. And the log ins for twitter, wordpress etc became HUGE. Filled up a screen each. Could have liv ed with it actually (could read posts)….. but no reply button.
EXACTLY! I had the same issue on the USA Today dolphins page too. Like all “site formatting” was removed and only text and F’d up huge icons
And forgot to mention I haven’t been able to reproduce the issue on my stuff, but I usually connect in on a laptop not a phone so not sure if its only phone related or not.
My problems were with my phone with Safari. I couldn’t and still can’t log in. Once I put Google Chrome on my phone I’ve stayed logged on. It’s beautiful.
Maybe it is stale cookies, maybe WordPress made new cookies 🤷♂️
^^Samers^^
Same for me. I have an I-Phone. I am using Chrome now and it works. Thanks for the tip Son.
Thanks Twice
Thanks Twice
I have no issues posting from Firefox or Safari on my phone. My only issue was from my office with Chrome. Certain sites, here and USA Today both appeared “broken” as Stanger describes perfectly above. I never have any issues with Firefox. Sometimes it makes me give a site special permissions, but it blocks most crap and shows all attacks, etc real time.
There could also be issues with certain Chrome plugins or ad blockers. Tricky to troubleshoot because there could be literally thousands of settings/plugins/blockers (local or on network) where any certain combo can wreak havoc, Sounds like the page isn’t fully loading (or timing out) for you guys having trouble. Could also be javascript being disabled or limited on client. But not sure exactly why. Technology can be like a masseuse massaging your neck, then suddenly turning and karate chopping you in the throat (that’s my day to day job in a nutshell and why I rarely have time to be on here unfortunately).
I use my phone. Samsung 8. Idk what internet it is, I just use whatever it came with. I will have to hit the refresh a time or 2 in order to post sometimes, but that’s been happening for about a year. LOL
From USA Today. (I am interested if you chrome users can see the article ok. I can from Firefox, but not from chrome)
Ya it comes up.
Shit ton of pop ups and embedded vid’s on that site!
Yeah it comes up on my Iphone OK.
It seems to be the logical choice. Cincinnati has very little chance, as does Jax, and LAC. The Redskins haven’t done much, Detroit or Carolina either.
AZ seems to be the only other team that has done much in the offseason, but they have 2 tough teams at the top, and I believe need help on the back end of the D.
What a fuckin shit show this whole thing has been!
I don’t remember who mentioned this the other day?
But kudos to you!!!!!!
So he used his police power to go after a personal vendetta while three other police officers watched?
Yes it’s a shit show – it makes the Minneapolis PD look even worse
FYI – the fact that they worked together has been out there for a few weeks
It’s probably doesn’t change anyone’s mind
I new they had worked together. But had not seen any proof of relationship until now.
Was not intended as a political statement as much as informational!!
What it does introduce is murder one, at least the idea of it, which I’m all for in this instance.
Candice Owens says black people are the only race that martyrs a criminal, and she’s not behind this fight. He has a long list of arrests, and the fact that he was part of a gang, that forced their way into a pregnant women’s home and robbed her while one guy held a gun to her.
She also says, stats show black men are less likely to be killed by the police, than white men.
We all know this charade is political, but I think the wrong fight is being fought. Black people are profiled by the police much more than white people, that’s what they should fight, but that message doesn’t come across as strong.
LeBron again doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Or honestly it gives people even more reason to protest…
I dont think it makes anyone’s reaction to the video a shot show or belittles what people are upset about
I did a quick google search and CNN reported they worked together almost immediately afterwards. I know that probably stings, but try it. Google it.
It’s incredible to me that some people spin this fact to mean that race isn’t an issue – but, like I said, this probably doesn’t change anyone’s mind and people desperately want to believ race doesn’t matter….so…
Because one guy was black and one white doesn’t make it racial. Maybe it was I don’t know, but to say it was, what proof is there of that?
From the little bit of evidence I’ve seen, Floyd was a repeat offender and Derek was a cop that didn’t like criminals, therefore you have natural enemies.
I agree it gives people more reason to protest, and I think, if the media makes this common knowledge it will. That’s why the media is not your friend.
Honestly trying to say this nicely – Don’t quote Candace Owens on race. That’s just my suggestion. Don’t take anything she says on the subject seriously.
It’s outrageous conduct by a police officer
It’s outrageous conduct by multiple police officers
It’s outrageous that he was on the police force after the prior complaint history
It’s outrageous that this happens so much more often to minorities
I think most reasonable minds agree with those four statements
I don’t think those messages are hurt by attacking Floyd’s character the way Owens does
The other rumor is that both Floyd and Chauvin were bouncers in the club and in constant conflict over a Chauvin excessive force – is that true? I don’t know…but the thing is, I don’t care. It doesn’t change the way I feel about it.
That’s just me though
It’s not like people are only talking about Floyd. I’ve heard Breonna Taylor mentioned a lot by protestors. She was sleeping when she was shot in her boyfriends bed by police after they entered his home by mistake.
Again why use Floyd as the martyr, instead of someone that was really innocent? Because there’s a video and the the police officers actions were as everyone says outrageous.
Can we all agree, we don’t need anymore protests, looting, rioting, and action needs to start immediately?
The message has been sent, the strong majority of the country wants police reform. More protests, riots, innocent people getting hurt isn’t going to further the cause.
The country has the protestors attention. It’s time to get down to business and make changes.
Why not quote Candice Owens on race, because she leans to the wrong side?
Because they use truth over facts😉
when it comes to Candice Owens …….FACTS are kryptonite to liberals.
Bc she’s full of shit and a grifter who is paid by Dennis Prager to say what Pragers audience wants to hear
Your going to embarrass yourself if you quote Candace Owens to a black person
Their are plenty of conservative voices of color to listen to that have a lot more credibility than her
But if you insist on quoting her – you can pretend it’s just political
I doubt the protest is about Floyd, its about getting trump out of office. ive seen cnn reporters instigating riots as if its ok to rob and detroy pers property,
Hear some of these athletes comment on drew breezes comment is laughable, they are mad because drew brees said that he doesn’t want to disrespect the flag.
That drew brees doesn’t know the reason behind disrespecting the flag.
The flagged in do anything to Floyd, it’s just a way of getting attention, get over it
To sit here and listen how these athletes are appalled at drew breezes comments is very laughable, so we should all just disrespect the flag and to not do so is unreasonable? Is that what they’re getting at
They need to direct their attention and focus on the real problem and stop using the flag as a way to get attention,
Please don’t trust One American News. That’s the same place that was saying the 75 year old who got pushed down and knocked cold in Buffalo was trying to somehow block police communications with his cell phone. And it’s like if true how could the pushing cops have known that? And if true after he got knocked cold the cops had all his stuff and did not let it out?
But guess conspiracy theories are America’s new past time.
They are the exact opposite of CNN,
CNN is not news, it’s a biased opinion.
The policeman obviously had anti-scanner scanning technology. 😉
LOL — has to be a conspiracy theory on everything. But people do love them.
It’s unbelievable what the left will resort to to get trump out of office, iguess impeachment didnt work
So let’s riot
I’m not on the left, but what I’m seeing today is really something. So we don’t think it’s racial because they knew each other. If you really think about it and you really believe Chauvin would have done that to a white guy, and that 3 other cops would have allowed that to happen, well, I don’t know . . .
To add, it doesn’t even matter what we think, there is a racial problem in this country whether this particular incident was racial or not (it was!!!). If this is the platform that launches change then so be it. The change is necessary and that’s what’s important
But what can you do about it? there are violent racist people out there do u think rioting will change theirmind
There’s no proof either way, if race had anything to do with this, that I’ve heard. I wouldn’t be surprised either way. I just hate that everytime it’s a white man man doing something to a black man, its racist. I think that, because Floyd was high it may have contributed to how long Derek knelt on him.
I don’t watch OAN news it’s too biased, whatever happened to Walter Cronkite?
And that’s the way it was!
I miss those days too. But why do you select CNN rather than say MSNBC? And to me at least One American News is a gossip rag. That thing about the guy knocked cold started with a Russian-born guy in America working for a Russian news source.
Where today do you get your news?
I totally believe it was racist, but it was 1 man being racist. and maybe the other3 that helped
One was black, but it wasn’t about him, this seems to have been personal.
I doubt this rioting is about Floyd, it’s totally political
Of course, right out of the playbook. Don’t let a good tragedy go to waste, they do it over and over.
And that’s why I say the left politicians don’t care about American citizens, just about power and money. Does anyone really think hilllary cares about anyone other than herself?
It’s most distinctly political. Same time I’m cool with some reforms.
Marcus Allen used to drive around LA with a letter in his car written by the Chief of police: “This is Marcus Allen RB for the Raiders…. yes this Mercedes sports car is his.” He’d been pulled over that many times.
Racial profiling, that’s really what the fight should be about, but the left always has to make it about them.
That damn Elmo.. is Sesame Street even his target demographic?
https://apple.news/AKc0thI45SJm5MXnWdEUswQ
Steve – You need proof of racism when a white cop dragged a black man out of his car along with 3 other cops and killed him slowly by kneeling on his neck while 3 other non black cops watched and allowed it to happen? What would it take exactly to prove it? If the cop was wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood? If all of them were? If he said I’m gonna kill you nigger? What?
One of the cops was black, but doesn’t change anything.
How do you go straight from white on black to racism, especially, when they had history?
Is every white on black or black on white murder racist?
I want to, but I just don’t have the energy…
Didn’t mean to re-start this!
Just saw an update on information.
Sorry some of you think the source is shit. Won’t happen again!
The source is shit man. 🙂
But wasn’t going after you either. And ORob just put out CNN is the same…… relative views.
I don’t comment on these things on here often because I hate talking politics, and unfortunately this has become political in some ways.
People who kill others each have their own internal motivation, sometimes it is known, other times it is not. These motivations can differ, but one thing does not differ: it is one human being killing another…and that in its basic form is the problem with the HUMAN race…it is flawed since the days of Adam and Eve, and while we live here, will always be.
Identify, arrest and prosecute ANY body who takes a human life except in self defense or military action, regardless of motivation, and we take steps forward.
The human race is a mess and always has been, good luck solving these issues by mixing in politics
JMHO
What you so eloquently write is why we will always need police, or something under some name that performs the same function. Seems we can get that function better though.
Sadly, this is yet another example of our society today. Nobody actually engages in thoughtful and respectful conversation anymore. People shout their opinions…informed or otherwise and demand that everyone agree with them. If they don’t, the dissenters are demonized and marginalized.
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Instead of talking through a subject, we yell and scream at one another until one side or the other is silenced. Unfortunately, it encourages exactly what we say we don’t want. Hatred, resentment and a feeling that we are being silenced and told our beliefs or thoughts….and therefor our person…is not valued or respected. This whole thing saddens and sickens me when I see what we’ve become as a society. We are ALL to blame. It starts at home and in our own life. Hell, we see it here on this very blog day after day. It’s not enough to have a difference of opinion and agree to disagree. We have to shout down and belittle anybody with a dissenting view. This problem is FAR more insidious than a racial issue. I hope we can change things, but I’m not very hopeful.
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But hey….I’m the curmudgeon….maybe I’m just old and out of touch. Go Dolphins!
This blog is exactly what is like. The screaming is by a few. The middle is what matters most, even if the extremes move it.
FWIW Wyoming
I’m generally very suspicious of OANN but I did NOT find that article to be particularly biased when I read it And I think, no matter the source – it’s worth a read before assuming biases
You guys are free to post whatever works you want to as far as I am concerned
But I rarely post CNN as a source for information bc I know it gets under some people’s skin and probably won’t persuade people (I even mentioned that CNN was reporting similar info in reply to your post)
I’ve probably strayed from this But generally I try to post things like the actual link to the proposed PPE plan or something like that
I’m pretty sure I’ve never posted an AOC tweet on this blog – I cant even imagine how much steam would come from the collective ears of the blog…lol
That’s just where we are
It’s very hard to post anything where some one can argue some kind of political bias but some are a little more likely to get a reaction than others
So it’s always your call – use your judgment
I can tell you if you want to know my thoughts on them – OANN doesn’t feel conservative to me
It’s feels conspiratorial…it feels a little like the National Enquirer of broadcasting
That doesn’t mean their reporting is wrong per se and it certianly doesn’t mean you aren’t sharing information by posting it…
“And I think, no matter the source – it’s worth a read before assuming biases”
You got me on that one. Figured out how to get back on the board but not how to access links like that. Pretty sure about what OAN is like though.
Oh…I agree with you about OAN
But I read the article and it wasn’t really biased IMO
Just my .02
Boy you can really watch the puppets dance sometimes. Dance puppet! Dance!
Steve and Top
In terms of Candace Owens. I’ve been in a lot of discussions about race, politics and discrimination in a lot of different crowds and I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective. Same with Shaun King actually who’s the opposite politically
This isn’t exactly a diverse crowd on this blog in terms of backgrounds, so with all due respect to you guys, I don’t go to you to get a pulse of how minorities feel
You can take that fwiw but I don’t think she’s giving audiences any perspective. She’s just telling her audiences what many of them already believe. It’s a grift. And that’s the feedback I usually receive about her in different more diverse crowds when her name comes up
She publicly states BLM is a terrorist group funded by white democrats. It’s kind of silly. Things like that are a much easier argument to sell
for some one who doesn’t have a cousin or a friend they grew up with who may be involved with BLM or believes in what BLM stands for.
But you guys do what’s right for you and I’ll do what’s right for me. I’m just telling you my experiences – she’s not taken seriously on these topics in most circles that are even a little diverse
Steve – If you think exactly the same thing would have occurred with Chauvin and Floyd and the 3 other cops if they were both white, then I guess you really don’t think it was racist. I can’t for a second believe that it would have/could have played out the same if Floyd were white.
I don’t assume racism, the way some people tell it is. I have no idea what occurred between the two.
You’re suggesting anytime a killing takes place outside the ordinary we should assume racism. That falls right into we should believe women every time.
I think people are generally good, until they are poisoned by someone or something.
Diversity is needed in some form or problems start to occur, when they have to deal with others not like themself.
I grew up in Miami, my first school was 50-50 white/ Cuban, my next school was 50-50 white/black, my next school was all white, then mix of white/black/Cuban. When I left Miami I didn’t face culture shock, because of the duversity.
MSM is trying to divide the country, don’t fall into the trap.
steveccnv says:
June 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm (Edit)
Again why use Floyd as the martyr, instead of someone that was really innocent? Because there’s a video and the the police officers actions were as everyone says outrageous.
Can we all agree, we don’t need anymore protests, looting, rioting, and action needs to start immediately?
*****
He’s actually innocent until proven guilty
But he never got a shot to have his day in court
The reason some one who’s not perfect makes a good martyr is bc none of us are perfect
But all of us have basic human rights
I actually don’t agree that we don’t need anymore protests and I don’t think protests stop action from occurring anyway
I don’t whether it’s will be effective given where the majority of Americans seems to be. But I suspect the protests will fade in time – people will stop when they don’t think it’s necessary, and not based on how each of us feel about it. People probably have to see results to stop protesting.
He’s had his day in court many times, that was the point, he’s a repeat offender.
My take on what happened to Floyd — if I tried to buy a pack of smokes with a bad $20 the cops would ask me where I got the twenty from. Would be different if my wallet or car was filled with them, but assuming if that was the case we would have heard about it by now.
Steve – I’m just going by what I saw, the media isn’t making me think anything I didn’t think when I watched it. I saw that and immediately my mid told me this was a racist/hate incident.
That’s sad, that you think that way.
Tony Timpa
Nobody has ever heard of this guy from last summer. Why? The cops actually laughing about it while they killed this man same fashion as the guy in MN. All on their bodycams…..
He’s not the only one. If you think race is a reason cops do this shit, you’re sadly mistaken. Do they profile, hell yes they do. They are a narcissistic egomaniacal bunch of thugs. Plain and simple. There is no accountability and not enough good ones to outweigh the “bad apples”. They don’t need defunding, they need actual policing of themselves.
To me, it doesn’t really matter what the officer’s motivation was. His actions are what matter. Yes, I know it makes a difference in how you charge him, but it doesn’t change what happened. He killed someone. Whether it was because of race, incompetence or he’s just an evil schmuck. A man is still dead, and that sort of outcome was simply not warranted nor should it go unpunished. I am not a big fan of how cops do their job. I’ve been mistreated by cops on more than one occasion. It’s not a black issue. They kill lots of whites too. Cops need to be held accountable for their actions just like the rest of us when they do something wrong. I understand giving them some limited protection due to the difficulty and dangerousness of their job, but that shouldn’t be used to protect them. These are not simple issues. If these protests bring about a change in how the police do their jobs, then something good will come out of all this….for all of us.
+1
I think the chances of nothing real coming of this is very slim, there’s too much public outcry. The day, when these bad cops can no longer sweep it under the rug, is fast approaching. It may take a while for some new laws or whatever, but any cop that does something bad will be publically humiliated.
What do you do if your order come s back like this?
https://twitter.com/antonio_305_/status/1270521367881015298?s=21
I want to buy a 2/3rds cheseburger with a side of Chili and then hit this. Miss Fuddruckers.
The major police reform this country needs is the breaking up of the good ‘ol boy network that persists in law enforcement departments across the country. I use the term loosely to mean a certain code and not to mean racist. Because of the danger inherent in the job, it is natural for a system of ‘got each other’s backs no matter what’ to perpetuate itself. Similar to military units in the sense that everyone stands united in order to survive.
This system is what allows incidents where one ‘bad apple’ does something horrific and 3 others stand by when simple intervention would have saved a life.
In the past, not supporting the actions of a fellow officer (right or wrong) has been treated as betraying a code and can ruin careers. Simply put, this is what needs to change. The black community has been railing against this system for decades.
Prior to civil rights movements which continued the process of moving towards equal treatment for black folk, in many places a cop could do pretty much whatever they wanted to a black person with little to no consequence. We’re not talking the 1800s, we’re talking recent history – 60’s, this lifetime.
I always find it incredulous to see how some people treat this as if black folk have had it good after the antebellum south and these are ancient issues. Sure, we’ve moved in a direction of equality when compared to that era, but Jim Crow laws were enforced as late as 1965. In other words, many people were still alive who lived with segregation, mistreatment, racism, etc.
My meandering point is, yes, cops do this shit to white folks and every other race as well, but Incidents like Tony Timpa, while also horrific, are not going to create change. And we white folk, don’t really care about Tony Timpa incidents. Oh, I’m sure everyone here who read about it will say ‘that’s horrible’ and ‘the cop needs to be prosecuted’, but we’re not outraged about a system that allows these incidents to happen. And we will never care enough to change it for ourselves.
When life is good and the world is your oyster, it’s easy to shrug off these incidents because we don’t really think it will happen to us. But a black person living in America has a very different life. A lot of black people living in America experience racism on some level nearly EVERY SINGLE day of their lives. If you don’t believe that statement, you are ignorant. The black community is fed up with these incidents, and they want a change to the system.
Blaming the victim as deserving because he had a record, saying ‘it happens to all races, not just blacks’, dismissing it as an isolated incident, blaming the black community because they kill each other more than cops kill them. All of these are the real ‘game’ that take eyes off the actual issue, which is the system needs to be reformed.
I am staunchly against looting and rioting. And I will NEVER be for defunding police forces, but I am wholeheartedly for an overhaul to the system which will allow cops who see a fellow officer doing something wrong the power to speak up and to act without fear of repercussion.
NIcely said Cav. Cops are like a football team. A reason for that, but a problem as well.
The reason you have to Google Timpa is because the media chooses what train they are riding. That’s a big underlying problem that needs addressing.
We might be able to create some sort of affirmative obligation on police to stop other police officers in the act if they are using excessive force
Right now a big problem is police covering for each other
I genuinely think the reaction by the police to protests around the country was some sort of suppression of speech as they view the protests as an attack on them (and in some cases, some more direct than others, they are)
One of the big challenges I think we will have when people are ready to take these things seriously and start acting is that’s there won’t be a uniform policy
Standards for police vary from city to city and state to state. If some change, some won’t. Hard to get everyone on the same page when law enforcement is local
But I do think the civil right prong of the DOJ can be used for this oversight of police around the country and can set minimum standards that way. At the end of the day we are talking about basic constitutional rights of American citizens and the fed govt certainly can make sure police are in compliance with conditional standards under the 4th amendment or due process and equal protection under the 5th and 14th…and of course
Speech and the right to assemble under the 1st amendment
Protection clause
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chad-daybell-charged-bail-set-grandmother-jj-vallows-remains
A sad end, which we all knew was coming, to this terrible story. I’d happily pull the lever, drop the pellet, or pull the trigger on these two assholes.
ER,
The reason you have to google Tony Timpa is because it was a year ago. At the time it was covered by ‘left, liberal, mainstream’ media (see below). The reason it doesn’t stay a story is because nobody cares about a white dude killed by the cops, especially white people, except for when they can use it as a talking point example to ‘disprove’ racism or prove unfair coverage by the media.
It has very little to do with the current conversation and serves as nothing more than distraction from the real issue of police reform when his story should actually reinforce the argument reform is needed. Or do you think the black community wouldn’t be upset about Floyd, et al if the media rode the Timpa train for longer last year?
Don’t get me wrong, I agree our media is as jacked up as we are. It has become completely polarized and biased on both sides, and you really have to understand how to navigate the dissemination of information in order to stay well-informed, which unfortunately most of America cannot do. But media coverage doesn’t change the need for call to reform. The issue with our media is another huge problem on its own IMO.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-bodycam-footage-released-showing-moments-before-death-of-unarmed-man/ar-AAF8zwt
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dallas-police-body-cam-footage-captures-death/index.html
The Timpa footage is body cam footage
No none shot it on their phones So it never went viral
The footage was released a year ago
But it actually occurred in 2016
The Dallas PD suppressed the release of the footage for 3 years
And they were able to bc it wasn’t some ones phone recording – it was a police body cam recording
That’s how the Dallas PD avoided media scrutiny
If it weren’t for a citizen filming Floyd’s death and it was body cam footage – would we know about his death today?
Thank you for the correction and clarification, Piggy. I found the stories and just posted them without reading, which is hilarious when you consider my remarks on disseminating information and navigating etc, lol.
I by the way heard about Timpa last year
But it’s wasn’t on cnn or msnbc or fox
It was on twitter bc I follow the ACLU and they reported it
FYI The Timpa Family attorney is this guy and from reading his thread, he sees what happened to his client and Floyd as a systematic problem
Piggy,
Your response above is exactly the way these conversations should start going IMO. We need to stop pointing fingers and trying to champion ‘our side’. Let’s get past the left vs right, fox vs cnn, black vs white thing, and start having real conversations about what police reform might look like.
I think most people are entrenched in their own ideas, and par for the course, no one is moving off their spot, but what I am hearing is most people are open to reform.
As you briefly outlined, the proposition is rife with issues and complexities that will be hard to overcome to implement any real change on a wholesale scale. But it needs to start somewhere.
Oinks
I think arguments are part of the process honestly
Differing ideas will usually create conflict and argument is its expression. You can be sure any reform will be fought over and debated. But arguing over entrenched positions that give no path forward or room for compromise is pointless. And right now it seems that is so much of what consumes our discussions.
Oinks to that
Also Timpa was a schizophrenic
People with mental disabilities are among the most vulnerable among us
I think the general public pays a lot more attention when race is involved but what happened to him is a serious problem and shouldn’t be ignored
But you guys should be aware, his family had to fight a long legal battle just to have the cam footage released, so that took a lot out of the stories sails IMO
Click to access 1903856116.full.pdf
Is it just me, or does this basically say the data they looked at is inconclusive?
It’s like all data. What it says depends on your viewpoint. But what the numbers say is that the bias is individual not systemic and that the system is not racist.
What I got out of that is that the only data they had through 2015 was fbi data, which was supplied to the fbi by local police voluntarily (which is crazy and bound to be inaccurate unless you think people voluntarily confess to crimes) and that the data they looked at was gathered from different news agencies through FOIL requests and then stored in a database accessible to them
But that info was missing info the racial background of the officer
However, they do say an officers race doesn’t indicate how much force he/she uses (which I feel like a lot of us already agree with)
But does that mean it’s not systematic problem? I don’t think so
The systematic problem I refer to when I use that word is not that white officers are some how more likely to kill/hurt minority civilians. I don’t think a race is inherently trying to hurt another race. Or that it’s some kind of undercover KKK unit
I mean that minority civilians are more vulnerable to police abuses bc their communities are often overrun by a police presence. That’s going to increase the likelihood of these sort of things – and that’s just scratching the surface of it
There is also wholesale lack of accountability by police who commit acts, unless some one catches them in a video
And then the more complicated part is just things that have been routine but really create something that might escalate – and I would have to write a novel about that part, but in short the demands of what is admirable evidence in a criminal trial create burden for police to find probable cause where it wasn’t ordinary risky visible. And this is a snowballing problem since the 80s bc of the war on drugs.
I guess if some one said it’s systematic racism of putting people in place who err more prone to dose franchise minorities – I would disagree with that
But if you said it’s a systematic problem that leads to racial disparities – I would agree with that. And I think that makes it racist
I guess it’s semantics, but while systematic is synonymous with planned or methodical, it’s also synonymous with routine. I think it’s practices that have to change. It’s not necessarily people. But people who harmed others need to be accountable.
Kong
It’s one of a thousand examples, not a distraction. I agree with you and Pigs. My view is that there is too much of a race bait thru the media. The stats are there and the problem is this has been going on forever no matter what you look like. Why can’t the focus be on that? I think it would be much more successful in changing things if you include all races in the discussion. That’s all I’m getting at. I know minorities are hit the hardest on a daily basis, but the fact is this thing needs to have everyone behind it. Instead of coming together seems they want to tear us apart. Just my viewpoint.
I think we’re probably closer on this subject than we at first appear. I despise what our media has become. The problem is so often the media issue is presented in a logical fallacy, using whataboutism to discredit or distract from a valid argument. Accordingly, I have a tendency to blow off statements about the media, but it doesn’t mean I don’t agree the media is f%^&ed.
Where we may disagree in part, is I personally think all races ARE more involved in this discussion than at any time in the past. Upheaval can be used to good effect sometimes, and if we get more people behind police reform because of the recent upheaval, then maybe something good can come of it, which is good for all of us in the long run.
But right now there is too much arguing over the precise degree of racial motivation and racism we need to assign to these events and the problem in general. I wish we could just agree, most of us, there is a problem that needs to be addressed (even if it is 37% racism instead of 74.8%) and move forward. lol
Anyway, I’m probably done for the night. Agree or disagree, I respect you. Cheers!
I get it. And I’m right there with you to put it simply. LOL
I’ve said it before, and I’ll mention it again. The way to handle part of the reform of policing is having people from the community they live in step up and become police. More black cops in black areas would have to help the situation. Incentivize kids by creating a clear career path to becoming a cop. People who are known and respected in the community. That’s a win.
Come on, that isn’t going to do anything. Complaints need to be taken more seriously, and maybe even handled by an outside unbiased FIRM, unlike what the American Cancer Society does.
That isn’t going to do anything? What makes you say that?
Because the police force in big cities is already diverse, these guys of all races are part of the club, adding more diversity isn’t going to affect the bad apples.
The media doesn’t have to explain to me the difference of being white and black with police. I have never feared being dragged out of my car and killed by a cop, because I’m a white dude. I can’t even imagine how black people feel when they see those lights behind them. I always feel like I killed 10 people when I get pulled over, and I’m ready to confess. Thankfully, I haven’t had to deal with cops trying to beat one out of me. It’s just so different, it really is. My wife brought this up to me, that she gets nervous when she’s driving and she gets lost and ends up in a black neighborhood that doesn’t seem like a good area. I suppose you can that racism, and maybe it is., but it exists. I’ve been there too. I remember getting lost coming home from Philly and driving through what seemed like a bad neighborhood and I felt nervous about it.
Systemic racism is just another talking point for police departments, sure there’s racism, but not at the department level. So how would that work, if a police department like Minneapolis, had 50% white 30% black and 20 Hispanic?
I can possible see it in middle America, but that’s not what is being talked about here.
You’re always going to have some bias, but that isn’t even the issue being discussed. The police reform is for cops, not white cops. Cops of all races benefit from the good ole boys club, but the ones the media always makes public are white on black, because that’s the narrative they want talked about. Statistics prove this.
Everything about protests are political, this instance is more political, than ever, if that’s even possible.
Police gotcha back or good ole boys club is as common and widely known as what was going on in Hollywood with movie producers like Harvey Weinstein.
I think the time to say no more has finally come to all of these Male chauvanistic pigs (no double pun intended).
I saw an article on QBs ranking their velocity, release, and processing speed. Tua, like I mentioned before the draft had the weakest arm, but quickest release even faster than Marino. Burrow had the quickest processing time, which I think is BS. I can clearly see Tua processing so much faster than anyone in this class.
It’s all BS anyways, some guy trying to use science to show the strengths and weaknesses of QBs.
I think he just picked out the QBs he liked the best and backed into the stats🤔
Hope all is well with everyone. 🙂
The thing I noticed about Tua is he’s very accurate and mobile enough to extend plays and run it. We might have a left handed Russell Wilson on our hands.😏
I’ve thought the same thing, but I don’t any longer. Wilson actually sucks as a pocket passer, he extends plays, then throws up those highly accurate floaters. His strength is his ability to avoid the past rush, then adlib his passes.
Ok, maybe he doesn’t suck in the pocket, but it’s not a strength.
Tua has Brady like quickness getting the ball off, and his accuracy might be better, he can also read and move a D like Brady. Where they differ is where he’s similar to Wilson, arm strength and mobility.
I don’t think Tua is as limited as Wilson is in some areas and I don’t think he has any weaknesses. He has a highly catchable ball, because of his beautiful touch on all passes.
If there was one semi weakness it would be how far he throws it, only about 55 yards, but not sure how that comes into play. We’ll see how he does in the windy cold northeast/midwest in December.
I don’t think he’s played too many cold weather windy games coming from Hawaii and Alabama.
CNN Headline – “ https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/10/politics/donald-trump-medical-supplies-thrown-out-factory-tour-coronavirus/index.html”
The story – “ Puritan Medical Products said it had decided ahead of Trump’s visit on Friday to throw away the swabs it produced due to the number of people who would be visiting the facility, including government officials, security personnel and the media.
“Production was limited on selected machines to a reduced 15-minute demonstration period during which the President was actively touring our manufacturing floor,” the company said in a statement posted on Twitter”
Steve – The police have to root out the bad apples on their own. What I’m suggesting helps limit the unnecessary arrests and hassles that cops from outside the community do. You have guys that know the neighborhood and know the people in the neighborhood, the relationship is way different. Do that significantly in inner cities where the crime levels are out of control and I think over time that will really improve things.
As far as the bad apples, I’m sure all precincts and stations know who the bad guys are. Have peer reviews which are anonymous and get rid of those fuckers!
I don’t agree, and while there isn’t systemic racism running rampant, I do think the good ole boys club breeds these bad apples.
I don’t think too many of these bad cops started out saying I want to be a cop, because I want to harass black people. They started out with good intentions, then when they saw how things worked and hardened over time they developed a hatred. There’s lots of live police shows out there, it isn’t too hard to see how bad people treat the police. I don’t agree with it, but I can see why cops harden over time. Those stopped by them lie, deny, and flat out disrespect cops.
Now you’ve got a 15 year veteran officer, that’s seen this BS for a long time, and something happens, maybe he was a little too rough with someone, and it was reported, but nothing happened. That’s how the breeding of hate starts, then it happens again, but maybe with a little more force…
No different than being a kid and you do something and your parents let you get away with it, before long you’re doing all sorts of shit.
The problem isn’t just with the officers, it goes up the chain of command.
Also not sure you want a cop on his home beat. It breeds corruption. It also has to be tough on the officer. Johnny, how could you arrest Jimmy? He’s your friend or at least he used to be, you sellout.
Criminals and Petty thieves are ruthless, and when they need to steal for an addiction…
Something that might work is taking a cop from one hood and have him work in another one, but this problem of treating blacks poorly needs to be solved in all areas, not just in their own neighbirhood.
You know what, while that may be true to a point, I think it’s better that what we currently have. At least a mutual respect between police and citizens would be there. If they want to let some things slide, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone in the process, it’s all good. I also agree with you on chain of command and the good ole boys network. No one wants to be the rat, but if they can set up anonymous peer reviews where there are no ramifications for those who weed out the bad ones, that’s progress. Fuck, it’s like teachers in NYC who get tenure. They can be the shittiest teachers on earth and do a lousy, uninspired job but can’t be removed because they’ve taught a certain amount of years. That’s union garbage.
Pre season may be shortened to 2 games
Hopefully permanently
With all the new guys and rookies that isn’t a good thing.
This year for us, that kinda sucks, bc we have a rookie QB and it would be nice to see both Tua and Rosen get some snaps
Will miami trade for Dalvin Cook?
Has he ever played a full season?
Are you giving MN a 1st and 4th, then paying him 16M a year to play 10 games? Only to have him fade as the season goes on.
I brought this up 2 days ago, the article on Cook said as he got more carries, the 2nd half of last year, his production went way down and he wasn’t good in the playoffs. They did fail to mention what may have been the reason his stats were down, but they were in the camp of don’t make the trade, so…
Hell No!!!!!!!
He’s really talented
But he’s had injuries and hard to give up good value for a RB these days
I would give up a 4th rounder and make sure I’m not tied to him financially long term
If we wanted a RB that badly we could have drafted Swift, Edwards-Helaire, Taylor or Dobbins. I think we’re content with Howard and Breida
^
So now the Chris Simms bias comes out, he says Stidham is more talented than Tua.
Did he really say that? His dad (Phil Simms) is awesome, but I guess that apple fell pretty damn far the tree.
Nah, I think the old man is a prick too, his head was so far up belicheat’s ass…everything was Neeeeew England this and Neeeeew England that.
https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/stidham-more-talented-than-tua
Ok, we’ll see. I won’t be shocked if Stidham isn’t bad with Belichick as his coach, but that doesn’t mean he’s more talented by any means
If Belicheat actually stays around long enough. He babied Brady the first year and lived off of his D. I think their D has been depleted enough, that it can’t carry the team to the playoffs, but that might depend on how well they are in the division W/L, so if we make the playoffs it could spell the end for belicheat in NE.
So what are we gonna call Noah Igbinoghene? Cause sure as heck ain’t gonna be typing that last name every time. Just Noah…. or is there some nickname in there some where?
On my phone it spell checks, so once I type igb it pops up.
Not an option for me. Gonna be Noah or maybe Igbe unless we come up with something better.
Noah-I
Igbino
Igbino the bambino
https://phinphanatic.com/2020/06/11/2020-miami-dolphins-players-get-cut-week-1/
I can see this and agree with the premise on most EXCEPT for the last one. X is not an option IMO!!
I told you guys Chris Simms eats glue!
So? I eat crayons and it’s never hurt me…