Will Tua Tagovailoa start in 2020? A look at the last 15 years of the 2nd QB taken tells a story

2019 – Daniel Jones RD1 #6 (Kyler Murray #1)

2018 – Sam Darnold RD1 #3 (Baker Mayfield #1)

2017 – Patrick Mahomes RD1 #10 (Mitchell Trubisky #2)

2016 – Carson Wentz RD1 #2 (Jared Goff #1)

2015 – Marcus Mariota RD1 #2 (Jameis Winston #1)

2014 – Johnny Manziel RD1 #22 (Blake Bortles #3)

2013 – Geno Smith RD2 #22 (E.J. Manuel #16)

2012 – Robert Griffin III #2 (Andrew Luck #1)

2011 – Jake Locker RD1 #8 (Cam Newton #1)

2010 – Tim Tebow RD1 #25 (Sam Bradford #1)

2009 – Mark Sanchez RD1 #5 (Matthew Stafford #1)

2008 – Joe Flacco RD1 #18 (Matt Ryan #3)

2007 – Brady Quinn RD1 #22 (Jamarcus Russell #1)

2006 – Matt Leinart RD#1 #10 (Vince Young #3)

2005 – Aaron Rodgers RD1 #24 (Alex Smith #1)

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So that’s the list of the second QB drafted in each of the last 15 drafts. What’s sometimes more surprising than where they were taken is who was the QB drafted before them and where they were taken. Geno Smith as the second QB taken all the way at pick #54, and E.J. Manuel was the only 1st RD QB in 2013. Patrick Mahomes at #10 8 picks later than Mitch Trubisky eh? There were only 3 years where QB’s went #1 and #2, 2016, 2015 and 2012. Just so you know, I don’t believe this shows any more scientific evidence, but it’s interesting to look at the past, which sometimes reveals the future. I also understand that 15 years ago, the NFL was a different game than the 2020 version but the interesting thing is how much money these first round players were getting paid. We know it all changed after Sam Bradford was drafted #1 in 2010 and signed the most lucrative rookie contract ever in the NFL, 6 YR/$78M with $50M Guaranteed. Aaron Rodgers who slid to #24 in 2005 signed a 5 YR/$7.65M contract.

Let’s start from 2005 and we’ll work our way back to the present. Aaron Rodgers waited 3 full seasons before his 1st start with Brett Favre as the starter. Matt Leinart started after 5 games behind Kurt Warner and finished 4-7. Brady Quinn didn’t start until season 2 and started only 3 games behind Derek Anderson. Joe Flacco started immediately for a stacked Ravens team and went 11-5. Mark Sanchez started immediately for MTP and the Jets and finished 8-7. Tim Tebow started only 3 games but played a fair amount in 9 games although not necessarily as a passer. Jake Locker sat out his entire rookie season. RG III was damn well going to start after they traded a boatload of 1st RD picks for him and he was brilliant until he got injured. The only 2nd RD QB in this group, Geno Smith, started his entire rookie season but Matt Simms was their other QB (who?). Johnny Manziel started only 2 games and was just awful. Marcus Mariota started 12 games and played well but the Titans were pretty bad and they finished 3-9 in his starts. Carson Wentz started immediately and played well although the Iggles went 7-9. Patrick Mahomes started game 16 and won. He’s the guy I consider most similar with Tua. I’ll explain more later. Sam Darnold started 13 games, sat out the first 3 behind Josh McCown. Some may say this is the closest situation to Tua and Fitzpatrick and they might be right. Finally, Daniel Jones started after 4 games and played pretty well despite his 3-9 record.

Why do I think Tua/Fitzpatrick is most similar to Mahomes/Smith? I see 2 veteran QB’s who both have the respect of their HC. Fitzpatrick said it himself, he’ll help Tua in any way he can but Ryan Fitzpatrick wants to be the starting QB this season. Of course mitigating circumstances will no doubt affect how soon Tua starts and I’m not talking about Tua’s health, I’m talking the health of the nation and the Coronavirus pandemic. Having a virtual offseason is not doing Tua any favors. There are rumblings that teams may be able to start OTA’s in June but I fell that unless every single team and their respective states are able to open, that’s not going to happen. Cali is probably the linchpin because they are the least likely to be willing to open up and if they don’t, I don’t see any teams opening because you can’t have some teams working and others not, that takes away the whole parity theme the NFL is built on.

I’ve made it clear (w/o having any actual medical records for Tua) that I feel it would be best to let Ryan Fitzpatrick run this team and if there’s a point of the season where we’re out of it, and Tua is 100%, then I’m fine with giving him the reins, as long as the O-line isn’t a bunch of matadors. On the other hand, I really can’t imagine that he would start immediately, I think that would blow my mind. I want to see what Tua can do, I’m excited that we have arguably the most talented QB in this draft and the most talented QB we’ve had over the last 21 years since Dan Marino left the building. Still, I can’t help but feel that after that devastating hip injury, time will be Tua’s friend. We have so many new faces on our team and we could conceivably have 4-5 new starters on our O-line. Jackson LT, Flowers LG, Karras C, Hunt RG and Davis RT, that’s 4. Plug Kindley in at RG and Hunt at RT that’s 5. Think they might take some time to jell? I don’t want our new QB subjected to that kind of situation, no sir!

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, let em rip!

GO DOLPHINS!!!

#staythecourse

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  1. Rockphin says:

    So I read today that Florida is / has entered phase 2 reopening…..Bars are allowed to reopen with 50% capacity “with the exception of barstools” WTF does that even mean? You can go to a bar, but you aren’t allowed to sit? You can sit in a chair but not a stool? I cannot find in any of the literature what the “exception of barstools” means. Not at all surprising with Desantis running things..

    • Mike E. says:

      I guess barstools are so close together so they don’t want that. Tables you can move apart, but people might move barstools close together even if you space them out

      • Rockphin says:

        BUT I WANT TO SIT AT THE BAR! LOL

        I am over this whole thing. Just infect me already! (I may have already had it in March, but testing wasn’t available at the time)

      • Mike E. says:

        I hear ya. As busy and crazy as it has been in my place, it’s practically impossible to maintain enough caution. So many times I go from person to person w/o washing my hands in between because it’s so damn busy. I’m just going to have to hope no one coming in either has it or is carrying it. I’d feel safer min a restaurant or a bar. lol

  2. wyoming85 says:

  3. wyoming85 says:

  4. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Iggy Mahogany

  5. wyoming85 says:

  6. wyoming85 says:

  7. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I’m going either with Noah or Ig.

  8. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, did Tua have carnal relations with Chris Simms’ wife and daughter?

  9. TryPod says:

    I was thinking Igby.. kinda like Mike E.

  10. CavalierKong says:

    So the NFL is considering cutting the preseason this year to 2 games. I don’t see why not. Isn’t next year’s plan to add an extra game to the reg season, add a 2nd bye-week, and cut the preseason down to 2 anyway?

    Although, this will give them fewer games to work out any kinks that arise in whatever measures they put into play for COVID.

  11. CavalierKong says:

    Only 2 of our draft picks are left unsigned now. I don’t know if you can read anything into it about our FO or not, but only 3 of the entire first rd draft class have signed so far, and we have 2 of them.

  12. Randy says:

    I think of him as Noghene. I pronounce it “noggin” in my head.

  13. Rockphin says:

    Not gonna call him Nog-Henne

    Just not gonna do it

    Igbino it is.

  14. Mike E. says:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/

    Steve – So now what? If Chauvin didn’t know Floyd previously, are we back to it being racist, or is that just my fucked up take on this?

  15. steveccnv says:

    How do you guys feel about CHAZ Seattle?

  16. son of a son of a shula says:

    Some good ones for the rookie, I like Igby the best. But I do like the rhyme with Mahogany.
    Ever work with Mahogany anyone? It’s so beautiful to work with. Soft and easy to work with but so durable and long lasting, the dust is fine and insidious but who cares it’s worth it. Just clear coat it.
    Phin pup is probably the only one who has.

  17. son of a son of a shula says:

    I did 2 whole kitchens in Mahogany back in the day. I bought a whole pallet of 6-7’ S3S boards, the size lended itself perfectly for a kitchen. Planed, jointed, squared every board, which I did with any species, cut, installed, sanded each cabinet piece, raised panel doors. Mahogany is different and special. Rich. It’s gorgeous.

  18. son of a son of a shula says:

    I made a fucking huge detailed gorgeous wall unit for a former MLB pitcher, he was active at the time. Then he moved so I went to the new house to reinstall the unit. I had been after him that I wanted to catch as he warmed up. Well one of times I was there he “finally “ let me. I embarrassed the shit out of myself lol. I threw 2 back that sailed over his head, omg. Then some curvey fucking screwball came, wtf is this, bounces off the heal of the glove and nailed the top of my foot. I was limping for days. Mind you the only mitt he had was an undersized catchers mitt that had Tony Perez and Andre the hawk Dawson real autographs on it, not the imprinted one when you buy one. Still the mitt was no excuse for launching a couple over his head.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I should have mentioned, that MLB pitcher pitches even when he’s just getting loose – COME AT YOU FAST!!!

  19. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger or Wyoming might know of him he came up with Pittsburgh and after that he played for a bunch of other teams including Padres, Yankees and Marlins where he was when I met him. He was going back and forth to Cocoa each day in his Dodge Viper for Spring training from Winter Springs about 45 minutes. Dan Miceli.

  20. son of a son of a shula says:

    Want to hear a true story?
    Good. It was for the second Fest we had, maybe third but very early on, I wanted to show you guys what I do(did) sort of. I made this badass box, humidor size, with a nice laquer finish in Mahogany (left over from the kitchens) and I was going to give it away at the tailgate based on who won Howies Pick ‘em. Whoever won got the box, all concealed hardware, magnetic catch, velvet interior. Well I wasn’t happy with the finish necessarily and Howie never showed despite him having walked right by us. Plus the whole thing didn’t unfold really the way I had anticipated so I held off saying anything. The box was in Jim’s truck but I never said anything. I also had a nice Dolphin logo sticker I was going to put on it which was very hard to find. The box never came out at the Fest, the sticker still unstuck never went on anything and the box is now my wife’s jewelry box.

  21. Mike E. says:

    Sonny, mahogany is beautiful wood. I dont do woodwork, I suck at stuff like that. The only woodwork I ever did was sand down all her furniture so she could paint it. It was a lot of work but I did it for a huge bag of weed. lol

  22. son of a son of a shula says:

    After I met Miceli naturally I followed him. He was getting towards the end of his career and started floating around to different teams. I think it was for the Giants in a playoff game he coughed up one , the game/series winner to Todd Zeile that I don’t think has landed yet. Yes I cautiously gave him shit about that several months later.

  23. son of a son of a shula says:

    This is it. Not Zeile it was Edmonds and it was game 6 not the series winner

  24. TOP SECRET says:

    my reply to PIGGY ;

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Google Candace Owens and Degree180 and see what comes up for you

      She was a vocal liberal in 2015

      • steveccnv says:

        She was fed lies by the left for years, she’s come to her senses and switched sides. She believes the govt gives financial support to blacks to keep them in the dem party, not to help them grow and better themselves.

        Do you think Al Sharpton likes blacks dumb and compliant or educated and able to go at life without financial support. I saw an old clip yesterday that showed some left politician saying giving blacks financial support will keep them in the dem party for the next 200 years. Why is that Ok?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        5 years from now, when everything she says is the opposite of what she is saying now, I hope I remember to say I told you so

        She’s just a grifter telling you what you want to hear and making money off it

        I love the story about how she married the son of a British baron after knowing him two weeks via FaceTime….that doesn’t raise an eyebrow or anything….

        Sometimes the last people who realize that a a con is going on are the marks

    • TOP SECRET says:

      the left is attacking her because of “BLEXIT” they don’t want black voters “waking up”.

  25. TOP SECRET says:

    and this ;

  26. TOP SECRET says:

    here’s a couple of black dudes who refer to her as a good source…….. just sayin.

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 10, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    Steve and Top
    In terms of Candace Owens. I’ve been in a lot of discussions about race, politics and discrimination in a lot of different crowds and I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    in response to my real experience with real people you post videos of people you’ve never met

    I really hope everything you learn about different people doesn’t come from YouTube

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t want to get in the middle of your and Tops discussion!

      But as a side note: I doubt any of the Beer joints I go to have the same views as the establishments you frequent? 😉

  28. ocalarob says:

    I just wonder if tua tagovailoa will start.shouldnt he be able to beat out fitz?

    • steveccnv says:

      Why should a rookie QB be able to beat out a solid vet? Sure Wilson did it, but didn’t have a vet there.

      I want Fitz to start, because it gives us at least 2 chances to get great QB play this year. I want to make the playoffs this year and I think Fitz starting week 1 gives us the best chance to do that. Unless he lights out, which only has about a 30% chance of happening, I expect to see Tua get a real chance before the year us over.

      I don’t want to start the year off in NE and give belicheat a chance to Fup Tua.

  29. ocalarob says:

    It should be easier to make the playoffs this year, they have added 2 more teams to it. Can Miami make the playoffs?

    • steveccnv says:

      Yes, but we have to get off to a fast start, no time to waste on rookie QB growing pains.

      The rookie QBs that get off to fast starts are generally running QBs and u don’t think we want Tua running wild.

  30. steveccnv says:

    Fitz was great his first season in NY, because he had big receivers to throw to, a running game, a good team behind him and Gailey.

    This season is setup perfect for him, just like it was in NY.

  31. wyoming85 says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 12, 2020 at 9:40 am
    At Slatterys?

    What do you think goes on there? lol
    —————————————
    Hopefully Dolphins football?
    But that wasn’t the subject at hand

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The places I go to drink beers are not hotbeds of liberal advocacy. They are just places where people unwind

      In terms of your generalization about ny, it’s just a false equivalency
      We get all types in nyc. We accept all types. A huge chunk of our population is originally from outside of nyc

      I don’t know how to say this delicately, but it’s obvious to me that when a lot of people on this blog talk about issues that affect minorities, they don’t actually know any. And saying to me, well in the places I go, where there are few minorities, everyone agrees with me, doesn’t really flip the tables the way you think it does

      Exposure to other cultures makes a difference. Not lack of exposure.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Are you fucking kidding me???????

        You do remember I work in the Industrial construction industry right?

        I have people I work with from all over the world!

        I have MS13, arien nations, and Bloods on the same crews!

        I have several friends that are members of the Non-Stop Riderz that were in Houston the other day.

        I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole any further! But just suffice it to say I might have some exposure!

        SMMFH

  32. wyoming85 says:

    If Tua beats Fitz out he will start!
    I have faith in Flores to play the best available person!

  33. ocalarob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 10, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective.
    __________________________________________________

    Sorry Piggy, i totally disagree with your thought process here.

    it’s not about what you think of her, she may be a bad person or not?
    it’s about what you think of her statement? that’s the issue at hand.

    classic leftism.
    a way to cloud the issue at hand and kill the messenger because it isn’t inline with their beliefs.
    there is no regard for the actual truth if it doesn’t support the agenda.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Don’t be sorry about being wrong
      Try to correct it

      My thought process is she is giving people who lack diversity in their lives a person of color to rally behind bc she is selling them what they already believe

      And it sells very well

      • ocalarob says:

        AKA the truth?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        But it’s a false sense of a security

        And in real life, it’s really not a good source of information on how a community feels

        I’m not going to waste more time with it

        The real life exposure is there for you if you want it

        I encourage you guys all to get out there, go interact with community groups in urban settings where there is a heavy population of minorities and see what you think

        I can’t post something here or on social media that’s a substitute for that

      • steveccnv says:

        If that’s true, then you’re saying the left does something for blacks, please tell me what that is that they do.

        My thought process is she is giving people who lack diversity in their lives a person of color to rally behind bc she is selling them what they already believe

        This is exactly what the left has been doing for years, and yet some how, if you believe someone on the right is doing it, it’s a con. Well maybe Candice isn’t a con, because two opposite sides can’t both be in general lying.

  34. steveccnv says:

    Joe Biden exposed the left for who they really are, when he said you ain’t black, if you support Trump. He proved what I said above, that they take the black vote for granted. Candice Owens says the same thing, please tell me how in 5 years that lie will be exposed?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m 5 years Candace Owens will be selling a whole different can of lies that conflicts with the ones she is saying now

      I’m not telling you that your political leanings are wrong or will be proven wrong
      Or political won’t be just some one opinions and we are all wrong and right at times

      I’m telling you using her quotes to express anything about how a community feels or should feel is wrong. Because she’s a grifter. I’m telling you she’s going to be selling whatever sells in 5 years and it won’t be close to saying what she says now

      Biden was heavenly criticizes by a lot of people for those comments. The guy you mentioned earlier, Sharpton, has actually called on Biden to apologize for quite a few things

    • Mike E. says:

      Or Nancy Pelosi deciding the confederate statues have to come down in NYC now, while she’s been in congress for 30 years, they were fine, but now with an election coming in Nov, think she has a false agenda?

  35. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – NYC is definitely a melting pot of different cultures and different political leanings although when the elections come around, it’s predominantly a liberal group at the polls. That’s not necessarily represented in the bars and clubs though.

    • wyoming85 says:

      I’ll re-post it for you too!

      Are you fucking kidding me???????

      You do remember I work in the Industrial construction industry right?

      I have people I work with from all over the world!

      I have MS13, arien nations, and Bloods on the same crews!

      I have several friends that are members of the Non-Stop Riderz that were in Houston the other day.

      I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole any further! But just suffice it to say I might have some exposure!

      SMMFH

    • The Flying Pig says:

      For fucking Christ’s sake! I’m just telling one person is a grifter and not to use her as a source of you want to get perspective of how a community feels

      I feel like I can slap a Trump sticker on turd and get you guys to defend turds

      I have plenty of problems with Democrats and race. There wouldnt be anything worth fighting for if one party one good and the other evil and all that was necessary was waiting for for politics to shift.

      When you protest discrimination, you aren’t protesting a political party or a politcal posture. You are protesting discrimination. It doesn’t matter who aligns themselves with it, whether it’s republicans or democrats

      But Owens saying that BLM is a terrorist group funded by democrats is what people want to beleive that don’t want to support BLM. And the fact that a black woman os saying it is the cherry on top of the bullshit sundae

      It’s a ridiculous thing to beleive that a community has to be politically sponsored terrorist to express discontent with what is going on around them. And you guys would know that if you were actually interacting with the community instead of posting YouTube clips or quoting talking heads.

      I got to say, discussing race on this blog – Maybe the least productive thing I can ever do. You guys just want to argue about stuff you are not actually exposing yourself to

  36. wyoming85 says:

    Telling me I’m to WHITE to understand the issues??????????

    WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s the left’s talking point, it plays right into identity politics, which is the real scam, just to get people to vote for them. Just like open borders. The left politicians don’t give a rat’s ass about any of the people they claim to stand for, nor the parts of the Constitution they are trying to change, the proof is in how they live their lives vs what they tell us we should do and think.

  37. ocalarob says:

    I agree that there is racial injustice in this country, but it comes in all walks. there are black people who kill whites as there are white people who kill blacks.
    Anarchy is not the solution.
    there is no easy solution, you deal with it case by case.

    Floyd was a thug!
    the cop that allegedly killed him; when convicted will be a murderer!

    that’s the truth and the truth shall set you free.

  38. Krishna says:

    “Too” WHITE, for the grammarians.

    I don’t think anyone said that.

    Sensitivity and awareness. Perhaps.

    If you can’t see racism in our country, you ate fucking clueless. That’s what this about. Any white who has had the “talk” is clueless or racist. Period.

    From the ramblings of a histrionic dipshit.

  39. Krishna says:

    ^are

  40. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – Not sure what you’re shaking your head about. I was referring to your “bar” statement, that you don’t think you’re drinking with the same people Piggy is. That’s about it bud, just explaining who you might find in a NYC bar, nothing more, nothing less. Not sure what got you so excited about it.

    • wyoming85 says:

      Well he’s a single lawyer.
      I’m a married construction worker.

      I don’t see many single lawyers in the bars I go to!

      • Mike E. says:

        OK, that’s fair. I have no idea who goes to the bars you frequent in Texas and wouldn’t even hazard a guess. Do married lawyers drink there? 😉

  41. steveccnv says:

    Changing sides once doesn’t make you a grifter.

    Changing sides on issues after 30 years to fit the current narrative makes you Joe biden.

    Mr tough guy pushup challenger can’t even stand up, let alone do a pushup.

  42. ocalarob says:

    if Biden is elected president he will be impeached by the same method the left tried to use against Trump, The right has already stated this. what the left did at the impeachment trials is a slippery slope.

    in Biden’s case there is rock solid proof unlike the lies they tried against Trump.

    I doubt Biden will get elected, Trump for another 4 years.

    and guess what happens after that?

    our first woman president, she now resides as Senior Advisor to the President,

    That’s right! Ivana in 2024!

    she’s got my vote!

  43. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t know how to say this delicately, but it’s obvious to me that when a lot of people on this blog talk about issues that affect minorities, they don’t actually know any.
    ————————————————-

    Piggy this is the condescending statement that I took offense too.

    As I told Mike above.

    Your a single lawyer.
    I’m a married construction worker.

    I don’t see many single lawyers in the bars I go to!

  44. ocalarob says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:19 am
    AKA the truth?

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:20 am
    But it’s a false sense of a security
    _______________________________________

    The word “but” at least tells me that in a certain way you think there is truth in what she said.
    baby steps (trotters)

    in a few years you may be wearing a Tua jersey and a MAGA hat

  45. Krishna says:

    LOL, from the histrionic dipshit!

    Prevalent from the people who are oppressed??? WTF are you saying. It sounds racist and ignorant me.

    • steveccnv says:

      Your last 2 words say it all. Ignorant you. White people that come out with this holier than though BS…

    • steveccnv says:

      You sound like a brainwashed product of liberal schooling. No where in the world is this type of shit prevalent, but here, from our great dem party.

      • Krishna says:

        So good at capturing others mistakes, but can’t look in a mirror. You are out of touch, ignorant, and a racist. So obvious.,..

        If don’t think I’m calling you as racist…..you are clueless. Straight up, I am, and you are disgusting to me.

  46. Krishna says:

    I can never follow blogs/discussions as they go to fast for my thumbs. Needless to say there is racism, ignorance, and defense of both on this blog. It’s obvious who you are steveccnv.

  47. wyoming85 says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 12, 2020 at 11:09 am
    OK, that’s fair. I have no idea who goes to the bars you frequent in Texas and wouldn’t even hazard a guess. Do married lawyers drink there? 😉
    ——————————
    Older couples that Like to 2-step

    • wyoming85 says:

      If I go hang out with the guys after work. I can tell you, not many of us white folks in that crowd!

      • Krishna says:

        Go hang out with guys and tell the truth. It’s called xourage.

      • Krishna says:

        Fair enough and as it should be. What a concept of a white guy living amongst “coloreds” when “coloreds” live amongst white guys their whole life. Kudos.

  48. Krishna says:

    ^too. Before I’m corrected by worldly, pseudo intellectual bullshit.

  49. ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:56 am
    No one thinks there isn’t racism in this country, but it’s as prevalent on the black side as it is on the white side.
    __________________________________________
    i had a guy tell me black people can’t be racist?
    i questioned that? why cant a black person be racist?

    https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/black-people-can%E2%80%99t-be-racist

  50. Krishna says:

    ^courage

  51. wyoming85 says:

    Krishna says:
    June 12, 2020 at 11:24 am
    Go hang out with guys and tell the truth. It’s called xourage.(I’m assuming you meant courage?)
    —————————————————————
    I’m not sure what you mean?
    If you think that I don’t go drinking with them your wrong!
    If you think we haven’t had the same discussions that we have on this board your wrong!

    I don’t let anybody pigeon hole me into a label!

    And for Piggy to think because I’m a white conservative that I don’t have friends of all races particularly lite my fuse!

    I don’t categorize anyone until I know them!
    So please don’t categorize me!

    • Krishna says:

      Fair enough, and I am wrong to categorize.

      I have reached out multiple times to connect with you face to face. We are close enough geographically to make that happen, imo.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Don’t get up you way to much.
        going through SA to Junction is about as close as I get.

        Next time your around Houston tell me!
        I’m in Galveston working during the week!

      • Krishna says:

        Is there a Dolphins’ game in Texas this year? If so, let’s do it . Is there something nearby, I’m there too.

      • Krishna says:

        Let me say this more clearly. If there is a Dolphin game you can go to, I can, too.

      • wyoming85 says:

        No game in Houston this year.
        I was thinking of the New Orleans Pre-season game?

        But there is a lot up in the air right now!

      • Krishna says:

        If we can, I want to.

      • wyoming85 says:

        WEEK 4 · Thu 09/03 · 8:00 PM EDT

        AT

        New Orleans Saints

  52. wyoming85 says:

    • Krishna says:

      That sounds cool! Let’s do it! Do you want me to try and get tickets? If so where? We can do a sidebar and figure this out.

      • wyoming85 says:

        I think the pre-season games are still up in the air? 2 or 4? Don’t know which ones will get cancelled if any??

        I’m waiting on another person to decide if they are in or not also.

        We at least should wait until the Pre season is locked down?

  53. steveccnv says:

    You’re a typical hardcore leftist, that thinks anyone that doesn’t think like you and is white is a racist, water off of a ducks back.

    What you say hear means nothing, your head is so far up your ass.

    Visit any other country and tell them how you feel about white people in the U.S., excluding globalists, and they’ll laugh in your face, because they know what an idiot you are. Hoodwinked by leftist politicians and somehow believe the BS they’re feeding you. It’s really sad how ignorant someone can be.

    • Krishna says:

      The ignorant displays ignorance…LOL.

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s a Radmussen poll out that asked blacks, whites and Hispanics, if they thought blacks, whites and Hispanics were racist. Blacks were overwhelmingly voted to be the most racist, by each group, including blacks themselves.

      • Krishna says:

        There is prejudice in the entire world. Isn’t that the point of this discussion?

        When will there be 1 love? Oops, sorry for histrionic dipshit comment.

        It starts at home. Look in the mirror.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes, the world would be a better place, if everyone got along, but that’s never going to happen. Trying to disgrace people, because they don’t want what you want doesn’t help anything.

        I’m not in an anti-racist fight like you seem to be, and that’s fine, if that’s what you want to do, just don’t berate me, because of it. I think we need police reform, but not a defunding of the police. I believe in the law and don’t like it when politicians are corrupt or looters take advantage of innocent protestors and the rest of us. I hate media bias, it’s a dangerous thing for this country, as we’re now seeing with what the Obama admin did.

  54. sb7mvp says:

    There are too many old people in this world and not enough adults.

  55. wyoming85 says:

  56. stangerx says:

    Son — “Howie never showed” is right up there with “Scotty doesn’t know.” lol. I’m glad your lovely got the box….. and sounds like an awesome one.

    Has anyone actually met Howie? Cause I’d never even heard he passed by at one of the early Fests. Miss the dude though.

  57. stangerx says:

    After having now read today’s posts — my comment is that you are all good guys. Reminds me of why my parents said never talk politics or religion at a dinner party. Some things even good folks will never agree on….. and gets’em going too if discussed.

    • TOP SECRET says:

      that was before the LEFT “openly” wanted this once great country destroyed ……….. some of us find it difficult to witness the end of America without saying something.

    • stangerx says:

      My best hope is Trump resigns and Pence is the next Pres. Absent that will be voting Biden. We could go into it….. but think about me like one of the NeverTrumpers on the Lincoln Project.

  58. bookman11 says:

    They crossed the line when they pulled “Gone With The Wind” because of racial insensitivities……..where in the world does this shit end?

  59. bookman11 says:

    I read a comment the other day (not on here), that I thought was pretty interesting and funny, given the “I am offended by everything” era we seem to be in. It was something like: “we will know when we are progressing towards people not being offended by anything when “Blazing Saddles” is just thought of as a funny movie.

    I agree with this comment.

  60. bookman11 says:

    Have reruns of All in the Family been pulled from TV yet?……wait for it………..wait for it……

    • stangerx says:

      I don’t even know if they are still out there, but imagine that show on a network today. Would have to include in a science fiction novel.

      • bookman11 says:

        They are still shown on some networks, I watch it from time to time. I have to search Spectrum to find it…..was on a few months ago daily on one of the networks, but who knows now.

      • stangerx says:

        I’m surprised — can’t even find MASH on Uverse. That show and the Jeffersons never really caught on with me though. For whatever reason. Can say cause was young, but not when watch the repeats either. Cheers…. now we are talking (and can’t find that either).

  61. bailbondmike says:

    Go ahead and blow me up but I do think this racial tension is being fueled by the far left. It is a tragedy and the cop deserves max sentence IMO but there are those who are exploiting this incident and making things much worse to make Trump look bad and don’t give a rats ass about George Floyd. In 2016, Trump only captured 8% or so of the black vote. By the end of 2019, Trump was pushing a 34.5 percent approval rating among black voters including a January Gallup poll reporting a 14 percent increase in satisfaction over race relations among Americans. The Dems saw this. First they stirred shit up with how Trump was handling COVID-19 including starting an investigation to how the admin was handling it. Now they jumped on this incident. I was having a beer with my next door neighbor this week who is black. She said she is going to vote for Trump cause she sees what is going on. She was a Democrat her whole life and now feels taken for granted, manipulated, and lied to by Democrats. Says she knows the dems are not going to fix this problem with law enforcement and race relations. Says they are just going to make more false promises and make the president look bad just to grab votes. Her words, not mine. She hopes more black people wake up. I won’t go on about what she said about the rioter and looters. She did say those people don’t give a damn about Floyd and would steal a 100 dollar bill from their own momma given the chance.

    • stangerx says:

      BBM — if I was you wouldn’t even worry about it. Not cause you aren’t a real smart guy but cause your vote doesn’t count. Lived places where it did and where it didn’t. Us FLA folks count….. but also means we are gonna get hit with calls till November real bad.

      But yeah the left sees the whole racial justice angle as an angle. Just like Trump is going with the whole Law & Order thing.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I’m not a smart guy, but I am not stupid either. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        BBM — you are crafty and fun as anything. Sorry if too many negatives and turns on that one (cause didn’t end up with you stupid). But point was sometimes your vote doesn’t count. When live in Washington (NOVA) the GOP didn’t even put up a candidate for congress.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I meant to add to that first post that if my neighbor can change her mind and her views on the Democratic Party then why can’t Candace Owens. Georgia State Rep. Vernon Jones (Democrat) has said the same things as Owens and has endorsed Trump for re-election. I guess he is not allowed to change his views either.

  62. Mike E. says:

    Bookman – Little Rascals can’t be too far behind All in the Family

  63. son of a son of a shula says:

    Howie is the same age as Ken, me and BBM. Howies the youngest, his birthday is 12/1 like Piggs. Me and BBM are 5 days apart (I’m older lol) and Ken’s is Tax day.

  64. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger, BBM is in the panhandle his vote counts, need a big turnout from his county.

    • stangerx says:

      My bad — thought he was from MS off the panhandle. Maybe my ego is too big these years on my vote counting. Sure didn’t in CT or Mass.

  65. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger, Virginia is a swing state you’re votes mattered for a while but more so down here.

    • stangerx says:

      Didn’t matter when I was there as far as the Pres election went at least. But heck yeah times have changed there.

  66. son of a son of a shula says:

    Bookman, I remember you said you were in Toilet Paper, you don’t by chance work in the fuzzy math department do you?

    12=46
    18=74

    Good gig if you are.

    24=106

  67. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, thank god we have the benevolent, conservative right looking out for us against the malevolent, liberal left and their evil schemes. Muahaha…

    Today’s blog rally brought to you by:

    “Trump 2020 – Despite the constant negative press, covfefe. It’s not a slogan, it’s a lifestyle. Trump 2020 – coming this fall to a kind and white charitable nation near you, there is no escape.”

    • CavalierKong says:

      And just to be clear, I’m making a joke, not solving our national issues with a few well engineered sentences. If I’d desired to be a part of today’s wonderful conversation, I’d have posted something substantive instead of taking pot shots at Trump, lol.

    • stangerx says:

      Cav — what I don’t like is extremists….. left or right. But just you watch — whether if Trump loses this year or retires in 2024….. there will be a third party, a centrist one that I’ll be part of.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I would give my conservative right nut for a true centrist 3rd party that could get itself firmly entrenched into our political system. Ah, to dream…

      • stangerx says:

        Cav — WF Buckley used to come over to my parent’s house for dinner. Think he’d be with you and me on that one.

  68. bailbondmike says:

    Son, There is a large population of retired/former military in Escambia County who are huge Trump supporters. You see quite a few Trump 2020 flags around. Don’t remember seeing any Biden flags. Maybe one Biden bumper sticker. lol The Trump rally’s here in 2016 were massive.

  69. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll be 55 in July if that helps with the age thing.

  70. Mike E. says:

    As you get older, you find most young people are dicks . . . 😛

  71. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, no wonder the blog always smells like vitamins, Gold Bond medicated powder, and consists of people who can’t figure out why none of their grandchildren want to mow the lawn for a shiny new nickel. LOL

  72. TryPod says:

    Actually, as I get older, I find most old people are dicks…

  73. TryPod says:

    Finsmob Unleashed- where America goes to get the answers on how all problems could be solved if people would just do what middle aged white guys told them to do, now featuring a discussion on racial inequality, because hey- who knows more about racial inequality than middle-aged, knocking on social security’s door, white guys?

  74. Tim Knight says:

    None of the issues today that we’re all talking about is not about politics. It’s a human condition, not which party you vote for. Humans discriminate all over the world for all sorts of reasons. We just happen to be Americans in the great melting pot experiment. It’s not easy but we’ve come a long way, and yet not so much at the same time. I took a break the last week from blogging and social media because I’m sad and tired of it.

  75. TryPod says:

    I just find it funny that we are supposed to evolve and yet so many people dig their heels in against it.

  76. Randy says:

    Anybody watch The Deuce on HBO? It’s about the prostitution, political, cops, mob situation in the ‘70s in NYC. I like it, but I wonder how accurate it is. I figure one of you know-it-all NYers would know. 😄

  77. bookman11 says:

    I am an old white guy: 57. My vote and opinions still matter, do says the constitution.

  78. bookman11 says:

    Son, I am stupid, I did not get your TP comment

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      The marketing on the packages. There’s a pack of Cottonelle in the house right now that says 12=48 with a small picture of 4 rolls supposedly equals one alleged giant roll. I see it on paper towels too. If they divided that wimpy ass roll into four it would be the tiniest rolls ever.

      • bookman11 says:

        Ahhh, ok. We don’t have shit like that. All of our stuff is away from home…not consumer. Kind of like 70 grit sandpaper… JK….. maybe

  79. TryPod says:

    Not the biggest fan of southern rock, but there are a few from these guys that I’ve always liked:

  80. manitobafinfan says:

  81. son of a son of a shula says:

  82. TryPod says:

    The way things are going right now, this song seems somewhat appropo:

  83. TryPod says:

    Another oldie I’ve always liked:

  84. manitobafinfan says:

  85. CavalierKong says:

    strangelhold ted nugent

  86. CavalierKong says:

    LMAO, I’ve (been drinking since 3 and am goo d and lit. I thought typing the name of song and artist in the post comment box would bring the video up

  87. TryPod says:

    If any of you are fans of double entendre and innuendo:

  88. manitobafinfan says:

  89. ocalarob says:

    All I can say is, just when you thought you had seen everything! chicago is in ruins , walmart there was destroyed,walmart along with other major stores said they wont be reopening there and the dem mayor is cheering these looters on!

  90. ocalarob says:

    What about the people who owned businesses in the CHAZ zone?

  91. ocalarob says:

    Reality is stranger than science fiction

  92. ocalarob says:

    I know for all you muscle head democrats it’s gonna take more than CHAZ to change your mind about current events. What if they turned dolphin stadium into a CHAZ zone, and wouldn’t let the games go on? I’m sure all these muscle head Dems would be in it uproar on this page. reality doesnt hit home unless you have something at stake. no way do i vote left!

  93. ocalarob says:

    I had seen Pelosi take a knee, that is very laughable, she’s just trying to get votes for the left that’s all that’s about. these dems dont give a rats ass about injustice . theyre just using the next crisis to land votes.

  94. ocalarob says:

    Let’s support looting and RIOTING because that will get us votes

  95. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Kong goo d and lit .

  96. ocalarob says:

    The democratic party is very apparent, they will stop at nothing to get into office. impeachment didnt work lets try covid and now social injustice.

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