Our offensive line going forward, assuming there are no cuts or trades sets up relatively economically. The highest paid lineman is last years big FA acquisition, LG Ereck Flowers. As expected, he was somewhat overpaid as free agent pickups usually are. I thought Flowers played well, especially in the run game, he is a mover, often getting the best of his man and getting a good push downfield. The big question will be who plays center in 2021. Ted Karras was signed to a 1YR deal last season and is an UFA. Third year OG/C Michael Deiter played 2% of the snaps and played in all 16 games as a ST’s player and backup. He did play most of the backup snaps at C. It’s possible he’s the answer at center next season or perhaps we acquire a center in the draft. Deiter did play 93% of the snaps in 2019 at LG The Dolphins got a first hand look at the Senior Bowl at 2 potential draftees in Oklahomah’s Creed Humphrey and Wisconsin-Whitewater’s Quinn Meinerz. Humphrey could be one of the earlier centers off the board, probably not until RD2-RD3 while Meinerz would be a later pick. It’s also possible Ted Karras gets re-signed.
1st RD draft (#18) started 12 games and played in 13 games missing a couple due to injury. He was acceptable, not dominant in any way, but consider he had just turned 21 and has a lot of growing to do. I think he clearly has his best football ahead of him. A full offseason of working out and training camp will have him in better shape to start the season. The other 2 draftees that played a good amount of the time on the O-line were 4th RD pick Solomon Kindley who played 70% of the snaps at both RG and then LG when Ereck Flowers was injured. Robert Hunt (2nd RD) played RT and played 68% of the snaps. Both of these guys are veritable mountains. Kindley did have trouble pulling which is expected from such a large man (6’3 340). Hunt while not as heavy as Kindley is still a big man at 6’5 330. Those 2 guys provided some nice run blocking when they were both on the right side.I’d say they were adequate at pass blocking. I never felt like the O-line was a sieve as I have felt in many years watching this team play.
My preference would be to draft a center, and he would compete with Michael Deiter for the starting job. The aforementioned Creed Humphrey could be one the first centers off the board. Other top center prospects are Alabama’s Landon Dickerson, Ohio State’s Josh Myers along with Trey Hill from Georgia. If T Penei Sewell is available at our pick, and he should be at #3 if we stay there, he’d be an upgrade over Austin Jackson or Robert Hunt but I don’t think we go that way. Weapons for Tua come in different packages and top OT to protect him wouldn’t be a bad thing but my feeling is we’ll continue to let young Austin Jackson develop at LT and go forward with big Robert Hunt at RT. I think we’ll be looking for playmakers for Tua with our first pick whether at #3 or later. Think Ja’Marr Chase or DeVonta Smith.
GO DOLPHINS 2021!!!
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If we take Penei Sewell might just but his jersey. Right guard versus left? Not so big these days and Tua is a lefty. Plus Hunt has guard written all over him. I’m throwing Flowers under the bus, but he’s in last year of contract anyhow.
I could see Sewell, you put him at RT and you have bookends with Jackson for the next decade, along with two mountains on the inside with Kindley at LG and Hunt at RG. Still have to figure out center though but I’m sure it’s all planned out.
I’m not big on Sewell. I just don’t think we need him. I’d build on what we got. Hunt at RT was solid and may be exceptional with further development. I’d rather get an interior guy in the second and maybe a dev project at OT 3rd or 4th round. Use the high first to trade back maybe and get some offensive weapons in the first.
I get that too. No matter how you slice it, and there are many ways, Sewell wouldn’t be a bad pick. Flowers will probably be gone in 2022 and then we’ll need a guard, I wouldn’t go crazy if we took Sewell and I definitely won’t be upset if we take Ja’Marr Chase or DeVonta Smith
Least according to some to the internet folks….. Karras is going to get a big pay day this offseason. One I saw said his FA value was ten mil per year. Might be less than that, but guessing that puts him out of our reach. Like the guy though….. and he is 27.
Wow, for some reason I thought Karras was a vet on the end of his run. I had no idea he’s only 27.
I’d guess somewhere in the 7-8mil per ranger, 10+ is elite OC range and a don’t think he meets that moniker
I think we keep him too, but draft a next man up who can play OG as well. OG is the easiest OL position. It’s easier to have another player learn to play OG than other way around.
Spotrac has Karras’s market value at $10.2M per. If I’m the Dolphins, I’m drafting a center.
Value yes but someone willing to pay him that much is a different story. I don’t see him getting that as a contact offer.
But I do agree we need to draft an OC capable of starting if we have to but I’d try to resign Karras at a better number
He’s not even the highest value. They have both Corey Linsley (Packers) and Austin Reiter (Chiefs) even higher, I think Reiter was over $11M per.
He had a darn fine season though. Those values might be based on PFF values. Plus he signed one year with us cause the last was not so good. I’d take Karras for say $6 mill per for 3 years.
Sorry – Linsley was actually $9.7M.
He’s hands down the best OC too
Sounds like he’d like to do that again for the next 5 years or so, in practice. 😛
Wear the shoes of Devonta Smith. Higher you go the more you get paid. You don’t want to go to a crap team either….. and only one good team in the top 10.
US?
254 players were picked in the 2000 draft.
21 stuck around past 2010.
3 made it to 2015.
1 is in the 2021 Superbowl.
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Got Pats hate too….. but that is incredible.
Najee and Parsons were gone by #18 so got best Edge in draft. Javonte Williams gone by #35 so got the best DT in draft. OC’s Dickerson and Myers were gone by #50 so got the possibly the best FS in draft. Still ended up with a very good RB at pick #81. Got a really good OC at #122.
3.DeVonta Smith WR, Alabama
18.Gregory Rousseau EDGE, Miami
35.Christian Barmore IDL, Alabama
50.Trevon Moehrig S, TCU
81.Michael Carter RB, North Carolina
122.Trey Hill OC/IOL, Georgia
198.Alaric Jackson OT(RT), Iowa
203.Marquez Stevenson WR, Houston
255.Tarron Jackson EDGE, Coastal Carolina
Got some of my favs in that list, I’d be in on this.
I think we should draft a center at some point regardless of whether we sign Karras or not.
I feel the same about it. Resign if Karras or not we need solid depth there and potential starter. I’d go OC no later than 3rd maybe 4th if other really good players fell to us that made them a bigger pull than OC at that point. There are a bunch of good starting caliber OCs to choose from so this is a good draft for the position.
Team Picks
8: R1 P8 OT Penei Sewell – Oregon
18: R1 P18 WR Kadarius Toney – Florida
36: R2 P4 C Josh Myers – Ohio State
50: R2 P18 RB Najee Harris – Alabama
81: R3 P17 EDGE Rashad Weaver – Pittsburgh
110: R4 P8 S Trevon Moehrig – TCU
120: R4 P18 TE Hunter Long – Boston College
148: R5 P7 WR Trevon Grimes – Florida
195: R6 P16 CB Nate Hobbs – Illinois
253: R7 P31 FB Ben Mason – Michigan
Trades
Trade Partner: Carolina Panthers
Sent: Round 1 Pick 3
Received:
Round 1 Pick 8
Future Round 1 Pick
Future Round 3 Pick
Round 4 Pick 8
Round 5 Pick 7
I think I got exceptional value on my picks. I don’t think most of them will still be where I picked them.
Not gonna talk bad about Grimes but he benefitted a lot because of Pitts and Toney. I love the guy, he’s a great player and round 5 is definitely good value, but I’m curious if he can’t turn that ability into success in the NFL when the talent is good enough they won’t have to double two other players to cover everyone.
He would still have Toney across from him. LOL
Iggy is a good player they chose not to play him as much because we had other solid players. Simple as that, our DBs are a good unit. We might could use some more to keep us talent deep but we shouldn’t have to sell out for any of them this year.
I think it was a good pick and not even a “luxury” pick even though some wanted to play him at NB when the coaches decided to keep him on the boundary. I think having him backing up X and Jones is an awesome position to be in. Year 2 is when most CB start to come on too. It seems every year we are down to street scrubs in the secondary. It is beautiful to have a first round talent ready to step in. (or swap out for better match ups if that comes into account)
Agreed. I’d like to see more speed added in the front 7 – Edge and LB.
BBM took Moehrig at #50, I took him at 110
Maybe the ones you were up against couldn’t pronounce the name quick enough to get the pick in.
LOL!
LOL @ D
lol, rock. Not sure what sight you use but Najee isn’t going to be there at 50.
It’s funny I see Najee listed in the 40’s on a few top prospect lists but some mocks have him going to us at #18 or at other spots in the 1st round. I think he’s going 1st round but then again Derrick Henry went in the 2nd round.
I’m thinking Najee could go anywhere from very late first to mid second. I’m leaning more towards the latter I think we could get him with our first second round pick. A lot still could change before all the ore-draft stuff is done
Before
So far the top prospect lists suggest that is his projection. It would be great to land him in the 2nd round.
OL< we picked 3 last year, Im not thinking we need to select more than one this year, Center most likely, i havent scouted the Centers but we could get one in the second or third rounds.
markets have been killing it, 4 days in a row setting all time high records !
Rashaun Slater from Northwestern is the top rated C according to walters
he is listed as a C/G/T, and can be had very late first round or early second
hes big, fast, versatile, and can play anywhere on the line thats needed, if the coaches are high on him, He could be a great selection
i think the fins need to trade the number 3 down, there are alot of late first round and second round talent that could seriously help the team
https://walterfootball.com/draft2021C.php
Rock, Josh Myers from Ohio State is a solid blocker, but had some really bad snaps that ended up being turnovers. Flores offense is big on ball security, thats what they love about Tua.
hopefully he can get past that, dont want to see Tua chasing down footballs snapped over his head
Unlike most, I’m willing to re-sign Ted Karras. He’s a natty leader who’s learned the “Patriot Way”, he’s relatively young, and he wasn’t a weak-link on our O-Line. It’s very important for any O-Line to gel, and I don’t think it to be wise to allow him to walk via FA. We’ve got the cap space, so let’s just retain his services.
YES, let’s draft a Center to eventually replace him is right. We don’t need to draft a Center high like we had done with Mike Pouncey, just draft a decent prospect and have him learn behind Karras for a year or two.
MONGO himself (of Blazing Saddles fame – Alex Karras) is smiling on his great nephew, afterall.
Rashaun Slater is probably going to end up as an OT.
JMO, but Rashawn could be an OT in a zone-scheme. Otherwise, probably an interior O-Lineman. He’s an intriguing prospect.
I said this weeks ago. Draft Sewell and put him at LT. He’s a better fit at LT than Jackson, but you use practice to see who fits best where. Kindley and Hunt at guard could set us up for many years. I’d draft Linderbaum from Iowa next year, if possible, and plug him in at center. In a few years, that could be a seriously good OL.
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And while Hunt did kinda ok at RT last year, he had his struggles. I don’t see much more upward movement in his game at tackle. That’s probably why they shifted him inside to guard and played Davis at RT sometimes after Kindley went out. Lots of evaluators thought he’d fit best at guard in the NFL. I’m not suggesting he sucked, but he didn’t exactly stand out. He didn’t grade out very well, from what I’ve seen.
You and your Iowa O-Linemen(!)… you wouldn’t be wrong, man! Kirk Ferentz has been churning out incredible O-Linemen for some time. I very much like your idea of drafting Linderbaum, actually. That could work.
If we take Penei Sewell @ R1P3, he’d be *worth* (or worthy) of the pick. But if Coach Flores is trying to replicate what Belicheat* and Lady* did in New England, the ball should be out in under 2.x seconds.
Not sure we need to build a WALL in front of Tua, being the ball should be out quickly. However, Penei is going to be a great Tackle for many years to come.
I’d rather get weapons for Tua, like Mike E stated in his write above.
agree on the getting the ball out quicker, pass rushers are kinda in a hurry, lol JK but not~
Randy,
Any thoughts on Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State? I’d love to land him as our future LG.
MF13,
I’m fine with whatever they do in the draft. But you know me, I like my OL. I’d be somewhat surprised if they drafted Sewell when all is said and done.
MF13,
Davis is a specimen. I won’t be surprised if he goes in the first round, so I’m not sure he’d be on our radar. Personally, I’d prefer to draft a OT in the first and move Hunt inside if they do want to draft an OL in the first.
If we trade up and down the ladder, I see a possibility to land Davis. But yes, I don’t see it as likely. We’ll see.
As such, this would be a ‘Dream Draft’ for me…
Smith, Rousseau, and Harris in the first round? suhweet, thats a dream draft for sure
Rousseau could be the next Cam Wake type rusher, and the Bama playmakers are loaded with talent! arguably the best playmakers in the draft!
MF13,
I don’t get into mock drafts much, but you have some nice prospects there. One way or another, we should be able to improve this roster.
I like Sewell, who doesnt, only thing is he is a top 3 -5 pick, and we can get better value by trading down.
ALOT of QB hungry teams love to trade into the top several picks to get a QB, if we play our cards right, we could get multiple picks out of it, and get the versatile Slater who can play ANY position, versus just a OT Sewell that we likely cant afford in 4 years
we can count on OL injuries, unfortunately they are an annual event, making versatile OL an added bonus. either would do an excellent job blocking for the passing game, but Tua has to develop better pocket presense, and learn to step up to beat the edge rushers on their wheel route rushes.
Sewell or SLater will not make Tua better, Tua needs to make Tua better, and some added weapons/playmakers should complete the rebuild
wow this is such a better year. and a much better leader, wow!
for 3 weeks in a row covid cases have dropped, and for the last 5 days in a row consecutive , the dow has hit record highs
i have never seen the market do that.
im VERY happy the cases are down, and VERY happy we have a president that is making America great at a blistering rate of speed
wealth inequality is also narrowing, social media, crypto, and penny stocks are giving wealth to the millenials and zoomers, two marginalized groups that are traditionally scammed and mocked by the rich
the nation is moving forward for everyone, and it feels awesome!
ok Aesop
it just feels awesome after 4 years of deceit , bullshit, and fearmongering
i wish i had a dollar every time a trumptard said sell your stocks, Biden will tank the markets, SMH
of course the same idiots never bought a stock, just had someone else pick em out for them for their 401k, lol
but im happy for our children and grandchildren, they WILL need an economy to survive in when we are gone
If you knew anything about govt, you’d know Joe’s destruction won’t happen over night.
Lots of energy jobs will be cut in the next 4 years, and likely replaced with govt energy bs jobs, in other words instead of the jobs actually producing profit, they’ll be costing us money.
Then you’ll start to see other sectors production jobs sent overseas.
We’ve been around long enough on this board, that you can’t gaslight us, go pick on some stupid 20 somethings to feed your bs too, just like your party does.
sb7mvp says:
February 5, 2021 at 8:03 am
ok Aesop
WTF, lolololol this is what im talking about, obviously You are not in the market, have no idea, and cant google it either
do you need someone to show you new records every day this week? no google or bing ?
or you wish to remain ignorant and claim aesop>
SMH
facts are facts, bs is bs
https://www.google.com/search?q=dow&oq=dow+&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39i285j35i39j0i131i433j0j69i60l3.3904j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
SB7 the Russell Index tracks the top 2000 small cap stocks, greatly outperforming the dow
this is making the millenials, and wise investors very wealthy.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russell+index&oq=russell+index&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39j0l6.3772j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I don’t think SB is talking about the stocks, although if you think they’re only performing well due to Biden, well . . . . Oh, and Biden will almost surely be a one term President which in no way guarantees anything past the next 4 years, but carry on . . .
Lol @aesop
David it’s not the changes you are saying are happening it’s the source of the changes that makes it a fairy tail.
Something went over his head? What a surprise
Also are you planning on being gone in 8years the longest amount of time Messiah Joe can be in office? Is he doing anything in 8 years that is going to affect grandchildren…. Really? I mean be excited but might wanna keep that thing in your pants and do some meditation before ya go whacking off in public.
At this rate that will be signed into law pretty soon
Or at least find a parking lot.
Say hi to Toba while you’re there, but better make it a wave instead of a handshake… 😉
Lol
The market is just continuing along, as if Joe wasn’t in office.
With covid the job numbers and economic growth won’t be real until the economy gets back to full strength, then we can see what Joe’s job cutting regulations are really doing.
Until then David you and Joe are who we thought you are.
You all need to get off of face book and Youtube. Really! You are being fed BS by computer algorithms that are specifically designed to show you what you want to see. NOT the truth, just what you want to see. Confirmation bias on steroids leads to willfully dangerous ignorance. Facebook is the greatest threat to America in decades. It literally lowers the mean intelligence of the country and is fertile soil for misinformation. You are living in a fake news world while being convinced that everyone else are the fools. Get out of your feed back loops and open your eyes.
Facebook is like Candyland for liberals. Who are you thinking needs to get off FB and why?
I agree with both of you. There’s too much misinformation out there.
People need to think for themselves, but they aren’t going to get the truth from social media.
EVERYONE Mike. It damages individuals from ANY side of an argument / discussion. The very nature of the site and the way the algorithms run send both libs and cons down their respective rabbit holes. 52% of Americans get most or all of their news from Facebook which has no responsibility at all (not being a “publisher” ) to police if what is posted on the site is true or not.
Agreed but Twitter is worse, and this TikTok thing is just insane.
I would think everyone here should be happy with the Tua saga.
This week he mentioned he’s working on presnap reads.
Looking back at past QBs, we had RT that didn’t face much risk of losing his job the entire time he was on the roster. You could say the same about Henne.
Tua has been put in an uncomfortable position, either improve or risk being replaced.
He was put under similar pressure in the QB camp he attended after HS, and succeeded with flying colors.
Almost makes me think Flores is trying to do the same thing. Not sure it’s needed, but Tua will be 100% focused this offseason on improvement, like all great players do in the offseason.
So if he’s a bust in 2021 it won’t be for lack of effort on his part.
That was one thing that bothered me about Tanny’s time here. They was so worried about a fragile ego they didn’t challenge him. During the 7 years they should have at least once brought in a guy who would and some others that had potential to. I mean look how it worked out for him when he had to come from second place to take the position, when he had motivation. I would let Tua settle into the job hopefully next year and if he doesn’t Id start bringing in people who have the potential to push him
I don’t think motivation was his problem. It was more a lack of talent around him and on the line in front of him. Once he didn’t have to be the Be-all / end-all he excelled. We saw a sliver of it with Ajayi here and have seen a full diet of it with Henry. IMO of course.
Rock – I’m going to have to disagree with you somewhat as far as information is concerned. I’m going to honestly tell you that anything with a conservative bent or specifically is anti-liberal it gets fact checked immediately and there is a pop up statement attached to the post stating it is either untrue of only partially true. On the other hand, liberal posts or anti-conservative posts don’t face that same scrutiny. I’m telling you I’ve seen hundreds of examples of what I’m telling you. You could put up a meme saying that Trump killed over 400,000 with a machine gun and it will stay up there intact, no fact checker. It’s amazing to me how skewed the whole format is.
I was on FB the other day, for the first time in a long time, and I got one of those pop ups and was like WTF in there is even debatable?
So good point Mike
YOU do not see all of facebook. YOU only see what facebook wants you to. That is the issue. Your experience is a perfect example. YOU ARE IN THE RABBIT HOLE and don’t even realize it.
OK, so what is it they want me to see?
I was thinking of going back to my office this week and spending less time working from home
But this week we have two emails blasts that some one else was infected with covid
The entire building (which is 30 floors and has thousands of people working there) has a database where they send email blasts out about building news
And they’ve done it for news of covid infections
We get about one a week
This week – two
I was so ready to go back to work normally, but I guess not
🙁
I am always leery of the government getting involved with limiting private companies with anti-trust laws, and I don’t even have a clue how one could break up the “monopoly” of Facebook (although I know they purchase and shut down competitive small on-line publishers) but if the whole platform went the way of myspace I think the US and the WORLD would be a much better place.
Much better😷
Twitter has become the slum of the internets. I wish it would just end even if it does cost me my sports updates. I don’t hardly use Facebook do I won’t miss it either and will be estatic watching TikTok, Snapchat, etc burn
I talk to a bunch of friends on FB, so I go on every day. Not on it long, usually in the morning before I go to work
I hate Facebook
I still enjoy slumming it on Twitter. But I get the negative feedbacks. Sometimes it just seems like a place for everyone to insist on getting their .02 in
I recently started with tik tok – and imo tik tok leaves a lot to be desired. It’s very repetitive. Everyone uses the same songs, which ta the same joke over and over again….it’s just the same thing over and over again
I only like the dog videos now. I don’t mind the same joke over and over again with an adorable pup
*woosh* there it is
https://youtu.be/vDAg3VkZPg8
LMAO
My favorite part is when the dad starts breaking it down and the little girl rolls her eyes and walks off
D,
That’s my favorite part too.
Mike E. says:
February 5, 2021 at 11:46 am
OK, so what is it they want me to see?
what ever they have determined will keep you on their site. There are very sophisticated algorithms that track your habits and what you follow / click on and in turn push more of that type of stuff and less of other stuff.
You and another person can have 100% the same friends and contacts but the content that is pushed to you will be different to the point where your screens will not look at all the same.
This is not an attack on you or your beliefs it is an indictment of Facebook and their policies to keep users engaged.
Facebook just puts on each person’s screen what they are most likely to read…. and that is the rabbit hole. Cause it naturally goes in more in whichever direction over time. You said it already, but it is worth repeating.
OK, this much I know and understand. I’m aware of all of this. Still, that doesn’t change the fact that the platform itself is so strongly slanted toward liberal, constantly fact checking conservative posts, and by that, I’m not talking about if someone writes their opinion, I’m talking about political memes. This started within the last few months, most likely during election campaigning and is still in effect now. I know my FB is affected by friends with whom I engage with and click on and respond to but that other thing I’m talking about, basically built in political fact checking to only conservative posts is really something.
Not just political memes but articles as well. Mostly articles.
Mike E. says:
February 5, 2021 at 9:17 am
I don’t think SB is talking about the stocks, although if you think they’re only performing well due to Biden, well . . . . Oh, and Biden will almost surely be a one term President which in no way guarantees anything past the next 4 years, but carry on . . .
o contrare Mike, these are called Biden Stocks, i listed some of them before, and YES, Biden stocks are doing awesome due to President Biden, lol
is it really so difficult, lol i dont know what the markets are doing ? even though im in the markets 7 days a week? i dont tell you that optometry is blah blah this or that, You are the expert in that field, not Me, well, Im an expert in Mine as well. Good for US, this is great news for the kids and working class,
i met a guy that used to sell BBQ in a gas station parking lot, but the gas station closed, and because of his earnings in Dogecoin explosion, he now opened up a BBQ resturant in the same location, and has several new employees.
wealth inequality has prevented the poor, working class, and others, but due to the social media, crypto, and the russell index. the billionaire shorters are losing and guys like You and Me, and that BBQ guy have an opportunity to set ourselves up with financial security.
i Know your boys are probably buying dogecoin, lol it was a fraction of a penny and went to 8 cents each
and his bourbon and buffalo wings are to die for, not that i would know, ahem, lol
Wonder how he will fair after the new tax plan is put in place. I am my bosses #1 and he tells me a lot. He already has plans in place to cut 3 employees (25% of staff) if Biden’s tax plan hits him to hard. Also making preparations if they try to do away with cash bail. FL will be one of the hardest states to achieve that though.
Biden has been in office 16 days. Do you honestly believe he has anything to do with the rate of COVID infections going down?
Also wait and see what happens if he raises the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour. There will be so many layoffs and unemployment will skyrocket
Biden didn’t have much to do with the recent Covid decline and he won’t with the increase that is coming as the new more contagious variants take over either. Hopefully in both cases he will put in the right moves to mitigate though.
FYI Mike E — the minimum wage got voted out of Biden’s stimulus package last night. Could come back, but that didn’t happen without some dems voting against.
sb7, that’s a good one and don’t get tired of seeing it. They should have saved that for a SB commercial.
Pinterest and Snapchat are destroying Facebook in the market, i guess they are becoming more popular lately
“Miami’s rookies played more snaps this past season than any other rookie class, yet there was very little positive play to speak of among the group. Their first-round picks — quarterback Tua Tagovailoa (No. 5 overall), tackle Austin Jackson (No. 18 overall) and cornerback Noah Igbinoghene (No. 30 overall) — all ranked in the bottom six at their respective position in PFF grade this season.”
– Pro Football Focus
I don’t use any social media. On FB but 7-8 months since last time I was on there.
Stanger, Three rookies starting on OL with no mini camps/OTA’s or preseason. I am not disappointed in them in the least bit. I expect a big jump in their PFF grades next year. Also, with us hiring OC(s) from within, I expect a smooth transition with whatever they implement.
Was pleased with the OL guys. The others were more wait and see for me, except maybe Davis (he came on at the end).
Stanger – Yeah, those same Democrats are trying as hard as they can to push through “cancelling” up to $50,000 of student debt. Who do you think is going to pay for that? Yep, folks like me who have debt of their own putting their own two kids through college. Now I’m supposed to pay for everyone else’s too?
That’s the stickler on the student debt proposals. What about the parents and students who paid for it themselves? Obviously they would have done something else if they knew what would happen.
Increasing the minimum wage by doubling it over night is a mistake IMO. It has also been a mistake to ignore the issue for 12 years. There should be a structured incremental increase stretched out over time. IMO How anyone is supposed to live on $290.00 (About $240 after taxes) per week is beyond me. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.
The ‘tearing off the Band-aid’ approach will cause a lot of issues, including increased unemployment as Mike pointed out, but also INSTANT inflation making many things more expensive.
The good thing is that most employers already exceed the minimum and many states already have higher minimums than the antiquated National rate. Only 17 states areas low as the Federal minimum. 33 already exceed it.
Minimum wages should be adjusted at the state level, some states have better economy than others, so you kill the economy in the poorer states.
business owners can not afford to pay employees and customers cant afford the higher cost assoc with the minimum wage increase.
But don’t let that stop you, hell most you voted for this.
Yep — a flat minimum wage makes no sense. Should be adjusted not just state to state but area to area. Cost of living is a whole lot more in NYC than say upstate NY. But not like it hasn’t been done before. Military housing allotments depend on where you are stationed. Amount of HUD housing support as well.
We do it at the state level
The Federal min wage is just the level the states can’t drop below
A fed min wage increase to $15 won’t affect NY bc we are already there
Fl is like 8.50 so that’s a big jump for them, but I’m pretty sure fla can do more without being a hardship on business in Florida
The real problem you is so,e people pushing for a fed hike to $15
And then some states pushing for no hike at all instead of something like $11 or $12 min
They completely take themselves out of the discussion of what a reasonable min is for their economics
There has to be a federal threshold in my opinion.
Trade
Received 5, 37
5 DeVonta Smith WR • Alabama
18 Christian Barmore DI • Alabama
35 Zaven Collins LB • Tulsa
37 Terrace Marshall Jr. WR • LSU
50 Najee Harris HB • Alabama
81 Creed Humphrey C • Oklahoma
123 Talanoa Hufanga S • USC
203 Alaric Jackson T • Iowa
210 Tarron Jackson ED • Coastal Carolina
217 Cole Van Lanen T • Wisconsin
Overall Draft Grade A-
Wonder why TDN and PFF have us with a different draft order after #81
TDN has us with #’s
122.Trey Hill OC/IOL, Georgia
198.Alaric Jackson OT(RT), Iowa
203.Marquez Stevenson WR, Houston
255.Tarron Jackson EDGE, Coastal Carolina
I like the Collins pick from Tulsa. I’ve seen him go in the first round in a bunch of mocks.
Somebody has a crush on barmore
Stanger – Yeah, those same Democrats are trying as hard as they can to push through “cancelling” up to $50,000 of student debt. Who do you think is going to pay for that? Yep, folks like me who have debt of their own putting their own two kids through college. Now I’m supposed to pay for everyone else’s too?
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The debt is owed to the bank, not the taxpayer or us govt
If it’s cancelled, it’s the bank that does not get paid
The tax payer doesn’t have to make up for that loss
I dont get this perspective at all
I put myself through law school on financial aid and I paid it off
I still favor cancelling debt (to some degree) – somots cpmes very directly out of my pocket just like yours. It’s irrelevent to what we should do.
Banks (and schools) clearly exploited the generation of students who followed people our age in higher ed
And it’s very bad on the economy to sit in this bubble and not take steps to change it
It’s not much different than the mortgage crisis in 2006-2009
It’s a time bomb waiting to burst
Personally I think of it as trickle up economics
Rather than tax breaks to corporation in hopes that it trickles down (which often does not happen)
You give debt break to students hoping that they will put that money that would be paid to the bank right back in the economy
At a selfish level, some of those students are just going to take that money and high me as their attorney for something….lol
But seriously, that’s capitalism and how you stimulate the market
Put money in the hands of consumers and they will spend it on restaurants, movies, prescription glasses (helping you), video games, stocks, or even lowly attorneys like me
The structure of tuition financing today requires graduates to pay a monthly fee to the bank, much of it going to internet. It’s not good for an economy that thrives on buying and selling goods to take money out of the hands of consumers to pay the bank
I do t think you are looking at the big picture of the debt crisis we may be facing as a country
Not buying this at all. Canceling the debt is not just going to be making the banks take a hit. Don’t even think Congress can do that.
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The debt is owed to the bank, not the taxpayer or us govt
If it’s cancelled, it’s the bank that does not get paid
The tax payer doesn’t have to make up for that loss
Why? It doesn’t matter of it makes banks take a hit or not. It matters that it frees up money for consumers. Can you say that cancelling debt doesn’t free up money for consumers?
I’m saying the legislature can’t just make a law that cancels billions in private debt without reimbursement. But heck yeah that would free up a lot of money if possible.
It might have issues with the contract clause of the constitution
But that’s not really the point I was making
It’s good for the economy to forgive debt
I would rather do it for the average consumer than do it for banks
And we do quite a bit of it for banks
You might not be able to pass legislation that explicitly forgives debt that’s own by a private bank
But you can certainly put strings attached to other legislation to achieve that goal
The next time a bank asks for a relief of any kind from the govt, okay, but you need to forgive these debts can be the answer
You can give private banks incentives to do it even if the contracts clause does not permit it
So it’s possible to achieve it
They can forgive debt if they want, but the gov will be paying for it. My guess is after long negotiations the Gov and the banks would figure out how many pennies on the dollar about the total debt….. cause yeah no way was ever going to be paid back 100%.
They won’t be paying for it
Our govt subsidizes every bank in America.
I feel like you guys are missing this critical point. We give five tax breaks to banks and have for decades – and we have increased those tax breaks substantially for the last few decades
Understand the gov helps keeping the banking industry going. Guess where we differ is how willing the 50/50 Senate is to use that fact as blunt leverage to change the current dynamic. I’m thinking not.
Yes, I agree with that
It would probably fall more like 10-20/90-80 in favor what of I am saying
I don’t think a lot of democrats would get behind it either
But that’s not my point
If your point then is what you would like to happen rather than what might….. surge on my brave warrior.
how else do you make change happen?
I passed a lot of laws in a lot of states, but never tried to put one out that couldn’t happen. In this case, student loan cancellation is very possible. But will take federal money.
👏 Sprinkles!😀
I’d love for 50g in student debt to be cancelled. That is money in my pocket, but I gotta go with Stang here, Piggy. I haven’t looked into it, so I don’t know the all the mechanisms in place, but you can’t just take billions of $$$ away from these banks and just say ‘deal with it’. I’d think they have to be compensated somehow.
Yeah, but time they ask for a bailout or a tax break you can say, okay, but you must do this to achieve that
It can be cyclical and be functional
Piggy – It might be the banks, then the banks go into bankruptcy and the Federal government bails them out, like they have before. If that happens, then taxes have to be increased to pay for the bailout. Listen, I have no sympathy whatsoever for shit like this. No one forced anyone to go to a high priced school they couldn’t afford. there are plenty of state schools that are quite affordable or community colleges. To me, it’s like people who take a $400K mortgage on a $500K house and then can’t pay their mortgage. Yes, you can say the lender is at fault in that case but they should be doing the same for these kids who have piled up thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.
I’m kind of in the middle on this one. Even going to a community college before transferring to get a higher degree, you can still easily rack up a lot of debt. And I don’t think a college education should only be available to those with a lot of money.
IMO, there needs to be a change to the way we look at higher education. Keep some of the high priced universities, but also create a system where even the poorest can get an education without going into 10 years of debt.
And maybe it’s different than here in CA, but you can’t get most bachelors or above at a community college (there are some, but not a lot of choice). You are required to transfer to a university where even the more affordable ones, the costs are crazy
While I agree with you that an education shouldn’t be just available for those with money, that’s how capitalism kinda works. What if they decided tomorrow that everyone who has a car payment will be totally forgiven? How can the government decide these things? Like I mentioned, state schools are a fraction of the price of private universities so there’s that too. Besides, the big problem is the schools charging insane tuition prices, how about clamping down on these liberal institutions and force them to make it more fairly priced?
That is where I can meet you in the middle, the cost of tuition is what should be addressed.
I don’t know what you always have to make these things about “sympathy”
It’s not about sympathy
Debt, enormous debt, owed to limited entities like banks is a destructive force in an economy driven by consumers
If an entire generation owes debts to banks, there is no money to buy the good you sell
And when you are 80, there’s no revenue for social security, your roads or your fire dept
Our economy has shifted so strongly to a place where we have to finance our homes, our health and our education, that we have taken the money out of the hands of consumers and into the banks hands, that’s a destructive force
If you compare the costs of homes, health or education from before the 1980s to now, it does not match ordinary inflation – it matches the finance industry’s ability to say “fuck you I can charge this for that, bc whatever choice do you have”
If I get to 80, there won’t be any social security anyway. I’d be willing to bet on that.
It’s actually not in bad shape right now for our lifetimes
Somebody has a crush on barmore
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Piggy, D turned me on to him before the start of last season. Dude is a good pass rusher for a DT and a better run defender. He had 6 sacks and 3 FF last season. He can create havoc for OL up the middle on pass plays and is very hard to move him off his spot on run plays. He can play anywhere on the DL.
Wilkins, Barmore, Davis, Seiler and resign Davon Godchaux would give us a very stout DL for years to come. Who you going to double?
He might be the best DT available this year and might take out D to the next level
But we need to get some edge rush too
Piggy – So you think the answer is to punish lending institutions like banks for allowing these kids to get an education and tell them “Ha fuckface, turns out it’s on you now!”? That’s wielding some serious power and dangerous as hell if you ask me.
I don’t know where pig got that from, but it wouldn’t work like he said. The govt, we, would pay for the debt.
I think the answer is multipronged and goes back to both the banks and the schools
I certainly don’t think banks should be spared
You knows what’s really dangerous – having an entire generation pay more in interest than they earn bc they signed a document when they were 18
Why are you so willing to be unsympathetic to the people that accepted those loans, but sympathetic to the banks who gave them out with high interest rates?
The cost of tuition dramatically increased bc of open ended subsidies, which we have the power to stop
Forbes wrote about that
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/?sh=420ed0a652b6
OK, so lower tuition. How can you penalize the bank for giving massive profits to those colleges? I think it’s criminal what you’re expecting to happen. Why don’t they just make colleges pay kids back some money to lower the debt?
You think it’s criminal to punish Multi-conglomerate, international, lawyered up banks for usury interest rates but not the 18 years olds that are being exploited by those rates?
That’s not a healthy perspective
In other words they’re saying the govt has the ability to cap the loans, so why don’t they?
Because they make money off of it too. Our govt is so FN corrupt, yet during Obama years they had an anti corruption program Ukraine.
Why no anti corruption program here?
Because these assholes are getting too fat off of it.
The program that they are referring to exists now, during the entire Trump presidency and during Obama presidency
It’s hardly a partisan topic
I didn’t say it was partisan, I asked why we don’t have that program here.
There’s really no difference between what state universities charge for tuition and what the govt is doing with the budget, when they put all of their pet projects in.
A good portion of the money for these projects sent to some country in Europe for some study on say water quality is kicked back to the politicians.
It’s all corruption, just a different form.
We could move to a state paid college system. Lot of other countries do that. But hitch in that is only so many kids get to go to school for free. In England the big test is the “O level” exams. It’s like the SAT on steroids. Bad score and no school for you.
When the results of the same test in Japan come out, there are a whole lot of suicides.
We could pay over 50% in taxes too, but just wait and see, that’s what the current group of assholes are trying to do.
Fully expect taxes to go up, least mine.
Community college is pretty inexpensive. I went to community college before FSU to save money. It was pretty close to free. So we already have some infrastructure in place. Taking that to 4 years is pricey – but I do think it can be done without raising taxes
Piggy – Why you ask? Because that’s how the world works. You want something you can’t afford, you take out a loan, and are expected to pay for that loan. So you’re saying if I decide I want a Bugatti Veyron which is about $1M, and I take out loans, the government should just wave their magic wand and punish the bank for loaning me that money? I don’t get where you’re coming from at all.
He’s coming from a socialist POV.
That’s not socialism – I’m talking about the free market
Please don’t try to change what I am saying to match your trumpian world order
What’s free market about the govt telling the banks they have to forgive loans?
A free market is not having a high percentage of consumers saddled with debts
That’s not how the world works Mike
Or more accurately, it’s work different at different times
The rates and the costs have increased dramatically and they do not match the rate of inflation or the salaries
The longer we turn a blind eye to it, the more we ask people to work with less return
There’s a equity and a fair place where bargains and contracts can be honored and where a free market can thrive – but we are pretty far away from it now
We need consumers who are active in the free market
Not debtors who pay everything they earn to some one else
The generation before us had more money to spend than we have, the generation after us will have less
We have to correct those things or it’s just an out of control snowball that no one can stop that gets bigger and bigger
The socialist POV from our govt wants the people to feel sympathy, but what they are really doing is showing how greedy they are themselves.
If banks take a hit on forgiving loans the politicians do too, so we know that isn’t going to happen.
In the end the banks, the elites, and politicians are all one in the same.
Socialism doesn’t care about consumers Steve
But socialism isn’t about stimulating the free market by eliminating debt.
Im talking about capitalism. A healthy free market requires buyers and sellers – debt gets in the way of that
Yeah, I’m aware of that, but that’s not why they want to do it. It’s all about giving someone something for nothing to further their popularity (power).
The proof was in the primaries, everytime a candidate would say they were going to give so.ething for free their polling numbers went up. When you really don’t have a policy to run on say you’re giving something for free.
Main reason the forgiving loans thing doesn’t work is cause it ain’t legal. But your reasoning might work too.
Why do you keep saying it’s not legal?
Cause if the federal gov can cancel out all the student loans owned by private banks that means congress can pass a law taking away every penny you, I and everyone else on this board has. It can do the same with due compensation as in an eminent domain case, but that’s what have kept saying more or less all along. Banks get paid if that happens.
Stanger
Debts aren’t property and aren’t subject to eminent domain as far as I know or just compensation.
I don’t think there is anything that explicitly prevents Congress from forgiving private debts, there may be limitations to how much our govt can interfere in private contracts – thats the only legal restriction I am aware of
We even have a legal mechanism for forgiving debts – bankruptcy. Of course currently financial aid is exempt from that – at a minimum, congress can remove that exception and amend the bankruptcy code – but the point is, the forgiveness or discharge of debts but the govt is not unheard of
There are different legal challenges of it’s done by EO or through Congress, but ultimately the blanket idea that it’s impossible for our govt to step in an forgive private dents is not something I can say o am aware of
One of the problems we have is that our fed govt guarantees those loans. So right when they aren’t paid – that debt goes to the tax payers and that happens a lot for the reasons I already mentioned.
Unpaid student loan costs the US tax payer too.
It is covered by the “takings clause” in the 5th amendment. Deals specifically with government action.
Debt forgiveness is not a government taking as far as a I know
“Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” You are welcome to interpret as you want. Just have a hard time thinking taking private property for non-public use is OK.
I’m always flabbergasted by the outrage displayed when the poor and the middle class may benefit from some governmental law or stimulus or what have you. But, the vast majority of “government welfare” goes to the richest people and companies in our Country. Why is that?
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Estimates are that the last stimulus package has/will benefit the top 1% of people/companies to the tune of roughly $258 billion….in terms of what it will actually cost the government in payouts and the relaxation of oversight and regulations. Do the research. Lobbyists got stuff they’d been wanting for years with the last stimulus package.
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This outrage about forgiving loans or increasing the minimum wage is pretty ridiculous in comparison to what Trump did with his tax changes and how the CARES act was used by the richest of us. Racial injustice isn’t our problem. It’s economic injustice, but nobody really cares. Why do we get so upset by the thought of helping the poorest of us but don’t even bat an eye when the richest of us keep getting richer at our expense?
What do you think all of my outrage about corruption is all about?
I’d love to see college debt removed, but not at the expense of national debt.
Politicians, big business, big tech, elites, big banks…They’re all one in the same. They all steal our money for their own benefit.
Stanger outlined the real problem with cheating banks out of these debts. Banks aren’t all the same, the large ones are the ones that are part of the corrupt group I mentioned above. Not saying smaller ones aren’t corrupt, they just don’t have the same effect.
Wish I had bought gold back in the day when it was cheap compared to now.
I have some given to me by my dad he bought about 20 years ago when it bottomed out. He told me to hang on to it and glad I did but wish I bought more back when he bought it.
And you know one of the populations of our society that benefitted more than anybody else from the CARES Act? Rich real estate folks. Hmmmmm…..who might that be?
I have to agree with Piggy on the school loans. I don’t care about multi-billion dollar banks who abuse the system anyways. We bailed them out about a decade ago and they provide little benefit to the normal working class.
If it’s between banks and kids, I’d go with the kids and ask for our politicians to change the system of payment. Schools and banks, not kids, are benefitting from these outrageously increased prices. Screw them both! Honestly, get the government out of the school loan business altogether or change the game. Why are we pouring billions into universities and nothing into trade schools? Why should every kid go to college? They shouldn’t. There should be standards and opportunities for alternative paths.
As a society, we waste BILLIONS on drug dependency, welfare, and affirmative action. I think we should bail out ALL the students who have put money into a bad system just like we’ve bailed out banks, Wall Street, car manufacturers, schools, defense contractors, Hunter Biden, criminals in jail, drug addicts, NATO, Global climate activism, the UN, the WHO, Big Pharma, Israel, illegal immigrants and everyone else. Why should American students deserve less than them? Because they are Americans?
The banks are probably for college loan forgiveness, because they’ll get their money sooner than later.
Don’t think for a minute the loans are just going to be wiped
We bail out private institutions all the time off the tax payers dime
I don’t generally agree with your anti globalism transition that you are trying to make
But you get the idea, it’s not like banks don’t depend on the US govt for financing – they do
Even at less dramatic levels than the bailouts a decade ago, there is a constant level of dependency and Corp tax breaks they get a benefit from
And we do it without it strings attached based on trickle down theory of economics
We can easily stop with that garbage and start attaching some strings that the average American gets the benefits from, without it costing the taxpayers
steve,
You outrage seems to be pointed solely at Democrats from what I can tell. Lol
You guy’s white collars are showing
Piggy – What if the Government just cuts the interest rates on the loans? Maybe even create a law so that banks can only charge low interest for college tuition loans. Thing is, you seem to be blaming the banks for the ridiculous prices that colleges charge. Why not start at the source, cap tuition costs at state universities. You can’t really do it to private universities, at least it seems like that should be outside the purvey of the government, at least to me it does. Anyway, it just seems crazy to me that you want the banks to eat it. The Colleges are laughing all the way to the bank that you want to punish because the colleges charge astronomical fees.
I don’t just want the Banks to eat it
I want the colleges to eat it too
Forgiving debt should go hand or hand with the federal govt refusing to guaranty loans – really when it comes down to it, that Guaranty can be used as leverage
And yes – o think you can try to cap tuitions
But make no mistake about it Mike, the driving force of the rate of tuition increases, is the willingness to spend by students, – and that is driven by the availability of that money which is provided by the banks
There’s a supply and demand element to this that has me focusing on the banks
Schools aren’t going to charge high tuitions of people aren’t paying for it
Some good points here
Did we charge banks 29% interest when we loaned them money and bailed them out? I ask because I don’t know. Did they get charged late fees? Did we give them free damn calendars or key chains?!?
We didn’t even get paid back – so no, we didn’t
As a matter of fact
Wait for it
Wait for it
Wait for it
It’s incredibly ironic
Wait for it
Wait for it
We forgave their debts to us
Imagine that, here we are arguing whether it’s okay for the govt to forgive private debts to the banks – but we forgave those private banks debts to us…
Lol, I know I sent my bank a nice Kong on a keychain.
New Age – Now you’re talking! Trade schools should be getting so much more action. Again, you can’t just change the system with a one swipe, that’s anarchy. It has to change progressively. Start by limiting what colleges can charge. Make banks do either low interest or no interest tuition loans. Start there. Can’t just say “Hey, you know that $9 Billion you’re due, weeeeeeeeeeeell, we decided to just wipe that out. Suck it! If you want to reduce or eliminate the interest, that’s one thing, but why should these kids get school for free after so many paid top dollar? Are you going to give the money to everyone or just the people who have student loans? What about parents who have loans?
Has anybody done college visits in the last few years? These campuses and their facilities are way over the top. Why do college kids need 30 different restaurants to choose from in the commissary? Top flight gyms? 150 different areas of study….100 of which never lead to an actual paying job in that area? Dorm rooms that are nicer than most apartments I’ve lived in? Classrooms with 5 big screen TVs and every high end tech device you can imagine? Washing machines you can operate from your damn cell phone? A laptop and free internet for every student?
Man, I went to college in the wrong era. lol
Oh, that’s right, laptops didn’t exist back then. As a senior in HS, I remember in my computer programing class we used a Wang computer and only had 2 for the whole class. If a teacher from another class had to do some work on it we got bumped off and had to resort to writing our programs on paper then plug them in when we got the chance. Good ol’ DOS. lol
Part of how they compete for students. And big money in those students….. part of that their student loans. Alumni giving too. Give $100 a year to my place to say I love you…. couldn’t imagine giving more to a place with a multi-billion dollar endowment.
Imo the problem isn’t the interest on student loans. My experience is those are relatively low. The problem is the high cost of tuition. Even if the rate is 3%, it still costs 100g+ to get a master’s or doctorate.
BBM,
Yeah, I was constantly shaking my head when I went on visits with my kids. My kids got tired of me saying: Why do you need that?
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I lived on cans of green beans and garlic toast made from day old bread my first 2 years of community college when I lived in a trailer where my rent was $125/month…and trust me….it wasn’t worth that. The last 2 years when I transferred I regularly didn’t have enough money to get more than a hamburger a day from the mess hall. Since when do college kids not have to suffer? Lol
Ramen and water. It’s survivable, lol.
Is sports betting forgiveness next? I was doing so great in the beginning, it’s not my fault I owe $80K !!!!!!
Universities and colleges are all about money. Not that it was a mystery before, but we found out about that with all the celebrities and wealthy people paying their way in for their kids and they all got busted. The administrators and professors etc. are also grossly overpaid.
They are all about the $
But I don’t think that money is going to professors or stuff
They actually nickel and dime their professors too
If you ask people in academia, it’s increasingly harder to get tenure
The trend is to hire part time professors so they can pay them less
The greed is worse than you think
It’s not even passed down to the people that make the university function
Someone is getting rich off of it at the expense of kids and their parents.
Oh yeah – but they nickel and dime teachers just like they nickel and dime student s
So it’s the board members who were at the top of the scandal. LOL
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February 5, 2021 at 5:42 pm (Edit)
“Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” You are welcome to interpret as you want. Just have a hard time thinking taking private property for non-public use is OK.
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There is no taking
A taking would be for the govt to take the debt and say to students – “you pay me now”
Regulating what a private entity is not a taking, as far as I know
Regulating the contract might invoke the contract clause though – but that argument is way to complicated for me….lol
I don’t think my interpretation in usual. Like I said above, our govt forgives debts in bankruptcy court. Any bankruptcy court that discharges a debt is doing the same thing through the courts and it doesn’t invoke the takings clause.
I might be wrong. Maybe there’s some caselaw or rule I don’t know about. But I don’t think forgiving a debt requires just compensation bx the constitution requires it
Your argument is at least unusual in that not even Sanders or Warren (biggest proponents) are making it. They are going to the gov paying for student loan forgiveness. Guess you could make student loans dischargable in bankruptcy, but not currently now. One of the exceptions.
And suppose could just pass a law to make them go poof without reimbursement. But then would be a lot of bank lawyers talking about that Takings clause in the Constitution.
But bottom line is won’t happen as of now at least. Sen Joe Manchin would make sure of that.
Loan forgiveness with gov money support is still real possible though.
It will be challenged by the takings clause but that’s no reason not to do it
The rent stabilization laws in ny were challenged using the same basis, and that challenged failed. All the buildings owners on NY is a pretty wealthy influentual interest group to cross, just like bankers are
Apparently Schumer and Warren are trying to convince Biden to do it by EO
And Biden doesn’t want to
I’m pretty sure the EO version would be challenged and that would be more likely to be successful
When all of David’s crypto and Biden stocks go down the tubes, pay that man back! Not his fault he believed in such a good man and his fantastic groundbreaking economic plans!!!
OK, I think I got it out of my system now. lol
Lol, cathartic release. Time for some laugh yoga!!
LOL – something like that. How about a probiotic yogurt?
Kong’s favorite
Don’t forget, for you lactose intolerant laugh yoga-ees.
Lol
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Ah hah hah ha hah
LOL, cracks me up every time
We lost 10 million jobs since this time last year. Obviously not on Biden but our state governments and the NHI, CDC, etc. At the same time, I would like Biden to focus on America a bit more. I don’t care about the Paris Climate accords while China is opening thousands of new coal plants. I don’t care about our national image to the freeloaders at the WHO, NATO, UN and EU. I don’t like to see pipelines shut down as energy costs start to rise again.
Focus on America, buddy.
Mike E,
I think we can do it all at once. I went to UNC-Charlotte for Masters work. I saw a gigantic new building being put up with Latino labor. UNC didn’t pay for that. I live near VT and I’ve been to UGA a couple times the past few years. Taxpayer and student debt paid for that. Not the schools.
Like Piggy said, banks got bailed out. Car manufacturers got bailed out. Everyone gets a handout except college students and their parents. Even foreigners and other countries. What is the only debt that can’t use bankruptcy? School loans. Why?
I’m for anyone with student debt to get some relief including parents. If you already paid, I hate that and maybe something can be done but don’t put US citizens under such a burden especially since we’ve promoted it as the primary way to wealthy for over 40 years.
I wonder how any new conservatives will be created in an environment of perpetual debt and the anti-small business practices of the US government. I don’t think we ever get new conservatives if we don’t give these people an opportunity to get out from under this.
I am not a great political mind…..lots of you folks seem to know a lot more about what goes on than I do. I have to go research shit that’s said here for a week. Lol
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Is it a President or the Senate/House or the Judiciary? This system is based on cooperation and no one branch becoming all-powerful. There are checks and balances in the system that have been respected in the past that simply aren’t today. Common decency. Facts. A sense of service to us and not them. Have we come to a place where that balance is being threatened or challenged? Does democracy work when power is held by the few….or the one? Has it been that way forever, and it’ll never change? Is this nothing new? Does getting woke just mean you get pissed off by more shit that you were just woke to?
The Alphabet Agencies (CIA, FBI, NIH, CDC, etc) threw off some of the balance. Instead of Congress passing laws and compromising on legislation, we have agencies do work with little to no oversight. Those and EOs are very powerful tools that can unbalance the three branches. The US is less a three branch Republic today and more a gigantic single bureaucratic unit. It’s more an arm of corporate interests than a functioning government.
This is what Phel is talking about when he mentions getting rid of the doctrine of non-delegation.
Lol
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Kong,
Yeah, I agree with him completely. Lazy bastards.
Randy,
I read that 3.7 billion in wages were lost by workers from Covid. Amazingly, Big Business and billionaires ‘earned’ 3.8 billion during the Coronavirus. Biggest wealth transfer in history and governments around the world were ok with it. We definitely need to look out for each other and start to focus on where the money is going. Not to us.
Kong,
I must’ve missed Phel’s post. What’s the doctrine of non-delegation?
Congress cannot delegate the authority to make law to agencies or the Executive branch.
SBJ…You guys have been killing me ll day because I can’t post from my phone! Our education system doesn’t educate anymore. It indoctrinated at great cost. Personal responsibility dictates that if you incur a debt, you and you alone satisfy the debt. Government intervention always creates more problems than it cures. Trickle up poverty does not create equality. Successful people (millionaires/billionaires are not the root of all evil. Envy is.
Now I’m going to watch Two Mules for Sister Sara and drink bourbon. Fuck off.
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Great movie. As far as a more unique Clint Eastwood movie, have ya seen “paint your wagon”? Not a manly man movie of his or Lee Marvin’s either but I love that movie.
One of my top three Eastwood movies.
You can fix things in less destructive ways, lower the interest rate on the loans, maybe forgiveness for making payments on time, etc. As for the minimum bqage, same deal don’t raise minimum bqage where businesses will just compensate by raising price of products, give more tax breaks so they get more of it back which will be the government actually doing something to help instead of the government forcing it on business to do it
Phel,
Yeah, once I actually thought about it, I knew what it was. Lol
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And that movie is one of my favorites. I still have it along with a couple others of Eastwood’s on VHS.
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I’d say envy and greed both play their role. You have no influence if you have no money.
One of my top three Eastwood movies.
At was for D
I’ve been in both places
D,
Marvin’s performance in Paint Your Wagon might be my favorite of his….along with maybe The Dirty Dozen.
I may have to watch
Paint Your Wagon next.
How about those Miami Dolphins!!!
Did anybody get off their political soapbox to realize we are going with 2 (TWO) Offensive Coordinators this year? Yeah, something like an OC by committee?
We only have to pay one though. We have OC Overload Forgiveness from Biden and the Democrats. I’m so happy. Just wave the magic wand and it’s gone! 😛
LMAO!!!
I’m with you, Mike E!!!
I think someone will call the plays. It’s about passing game coordinator and running game coordinator which has been done for years now. Flores doesn’t mind throwing out wrinkles to the doofus masses, LOL
Certainly, someone will be calling the plays. I find it to be… interesting!
It is interesting but not uncommon.
I hear Jose Canseco is fighting some guy from Barstool Sports tonight. I’ll try to get the feed and provide it here.
An argument or like a fistfight?
Fistfight!
Damn, Jose is a BIG mofo. Doesn’t mean he can fight, but doesn’t mean he can’t either.
Cav – You need to watch Jack Ryan (Amazon prime) if you haven’t.
Try this link right here for the Jose Canseco fight. Don’t know what time it’s scheduled to begin, but right now there’s midget boxing going on.
Canseco is fighting a guy named “Billy Football” from Barstool Sports, who is 21 years old. Seems personal, but we know it’s being advertised as much for ratings.
https://sportsbay.org/watch/93988/1/rough-n-rowdy-live.html
Canseco is now 56 years old! Geez, time sure flies by.
Go with link #1, if any of y’all want to see it.
Think they just said two more fights until Jose Canseco.
3 short rounds in each of these fights.
1 minute rounds.
Yes, Canseco is up next. Probably under 5 minutes from now.
WOW!!! CANSECO GOT KNOCKED THE FUG OUT!!!
WEAK SAUCE!!! Canseco’s shoulder was torn 3 months ago, and he still decided to fight? Rigged. Happy I found a free link to watch this, rather than having to go PPV.
This year, 2021, is going to be the most intriguing year of QB relocations we’ve seen in recent memory… or perhaps ever before in league history.
And it started with Stafford to LA – Goff to Detroit… buckle up!
Before I hit the sack I just wanted to let y’all know that Joe Bidens favorite word is MUFFINS.
Cause backwards it spells sniffum.
Someone find his private email addy, that’s probably the password
LMAO!!!
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lets not even talk about the last disaster of a POTUS< who was friends with Jeffrey EPstein, and talked about the great times he had together with a convicted child molestor
my point was not that Biden is giving the PEOPLE a chance to move ahead, instead of scamming us
that is what we need as a nation, we have to move forward from the failed admin , he had his shot and failed miserably
the nation fired the terrrorist, Now we have an American to lead the nation, and can make Money , something billionaires hate to see us do
Lol Sprinkles….. My fav commercial just did a fly by.
I’ll definitely give it a watch, Phel. I liked the Ryan character in all three of his movie iterations, so I’ll probably dig this one as well. Cheers 🙂
Very good 2 ? Seasons. Waiting for next one to drop … Queen of the South is another good show