2021 Position outlook – RB

If our WR corps is a little on the high side salary cap wise at the moment, especially considering who’s on our roster, our RB room is on the cheap. At the moment, no Dolphins RB is at a $1M salary or higher. Myles Gaskin, Patrick Laird and Salvon Ahmed are the only RB’s under contract now and add up to a stingy $2.5M. I expect that to change when the draft rolls around. I think after watching all of our backs it’s easy to realize that really none of them are a true bellcow RB or what could be considered a #1. I liked what I saw out of Myles Gaskin and Salvon Ahmed, they both showed the ability to run the ball and catch the ball and do good things catching the ball out of the backfield (Myles Gaskin moreso than Ahmed) but neither guy proved capable of pushing the pile or creating after contact yards. I saw way too many times first contact and down. We need a RB that’s both more elusive and also more powerful that can break that first tackle which many times leads to big gains.

A RB that can catch the ball and then make things happen after the catch can be a QB’s best friend. I think Najee Harris fits that role best as he is probably the best receiving RB, and he has the size (6’2 230) to and skills to be an every down back. Travis Etienne is a very good RB, maybe the highest ranked pure running back. He broke more tackles than any other back in college and has a lot of long runs to his credit. Etienne is more of a traditional sized RB (5’10 205). Etienne had 43 runs of 20 yards or more, that’s the kind of explosiveness the Dolphins backfield could use. There are plenty of RB’s who would improve the quality of our backfield, but I think it’s time we really invested in getting a premier talent. Running backs have been devalued to a point in the NFL where they are rarely early to mid 1st RD picks, but I think there’s a good chance we could lose Najee Harris if we don’t take him at #18. Of course we could trade back either from #3 or from #18 and have a shot at him but I don’t think it’s likely he makes it to #36. The Chiefs took the first RB off the board last year at #32 (Clyde Edwards Helaire), and the guy I thought we would be the first back taken, D’Andre Swift was taken at #35. Another good choice for us would be Javonte Williams from NC. He’s a physical downhill runner with good size and speed 5’10 220.

Here’s what our RB’s did in 2020

Myles Gaskin – 142 carries – 584 yards – 3 TD’s / 41 receptions – 388 yards – 2 TD’s

Salvon Ahmed – 75 carries – 319 yards – 3 TD’s / 11 receptions – 61 yards – 0 TD’s

Patrick Laird – 13 carries – 72 yards – 0 TD’s / 10 receptions – 68 yards – 0 TD’s

We also had Matt Breida last season who gave us minimal production, despite most of us expecting him to be the change of pace and 3rd down back. We also got a little production from DeAndre Washington who is also not under contract in 2021. It’s clear we need to upgrade the talent in our backfield, so will 2021 be the year we go RB early? It’s difficult to say. I wouldn’t be surprised if they look for to upgrade the trenches in some fashion, either an OL, DL or even a playmaking LB or a CB. I’m going to hate to see Patrick Surtain II in another NFL uniform, but after drafting Noah Igbinoghene at #30 last year, I can’t imagine we would spend another first RD pick on a CB.

I don’t think there was DC that played our team that was overly concerned about our rushing attack. Nothing helps a QB more than a reliable, effective rushing attack. Proof of this is available from our own 2016 season with Ryan Tannehill and then any season while playing for the Tennessee Titans. Tannehill went from a run of the mill QB to a top 10 QB. I think we should do everything we can to help Tua become a better QB, so draft the best WR and RB in this draft and that’s a good start to getting him in that direction.


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  1. bailbondmike says:

    David, just busting balls here, but you remind me of that 8 yo kid who’s dad is 5’6 and tells another 8 yo kid who’s dad is 6’0 that “My Dad is bigger than your Dad”. Then will stick by that for the rest of his life. So much so that he’s willing to get into a little slap ass fight over it.

  2. Mike E. says:

    David – I’m not questioning your judgement, I’m downright saying it makes no sense. If your financial portfolio is doing well God bless you because it’s certainly not due to the logic you use here. How you can bring up a game where a player leaves due to an injury and repeatedly refer to that game as a shitty game due to low stat total shows no ability to comprehend basic concepts. Sorry man, just calling it like I see it.

  3. D says:

    Campbell is the tough kinda no nonsense kinda coach, former player that still remembers being a player. That said, unless his football acumen has developed, I still think he doesn’t have what it takes to be a HC. We will see but the guy I like, despite how good he is as a coach

  4. bailbondmike says:

    Toba, you aren’t making spam calls this morning, are you? My wife just got one from Brandon, Manitoba. lol

  5. D says:

    Poor David I mean ya kinda bring it on yourself a lot but at least you can take the whooping

  6. D says:

    Fucking hard as fuck to smoke a cigar when you fingers are numb from the cold.

  7. Mike E. says:

    I see it’s one of M’s favorite gals birthday today. M – you might want to wish Shakira a Happy Birthday!

  8. Mike E. says:

    RIP Hal Holbrook

    Man looks in the abyss, there’s nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss.

  9. steveccnv says:

    The only paced I’ve lived in the east is Miami, so no shoveling, but in NV I’ve done it plenty. If you didn’t shovel it right away it was a bitch to remove, because it would melt some and get heavy or freeze to the concrete. Forget about trying to shovel it after you drive on it.

    Can you really shovel the snow there after driving on it or wait and shovel a day later?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I didn’t even know it snowed in Nevada

      (Piggy throws a snowball at Steve)

      • steveccnv says:

        Piggy the world traveler.

        Snow here only about once every couple of years 3k feet and above, the strip about once every 7-10 years, but Northern NV where there’s great skiing…

        In the past week our offices up north had delayed starts 3 times due to snow.

    • bailbondmike says:

      BBMM takes out blender, fills with ice, blends the shit out of it, makes a snowball and nails Piggy in the ass with it!

  10. Mike E. says:

    Steve – Definitely best to remove the snow before driving on it. Unless it melts, it’s a bitch to get that packed down off the driveway. Unfortunately, I have to go in to work for 3PM and I’m going to clear the bottom of the driveway where the plows just piled up a good foot of now, but I’m not shoveling the whole driveway again, too much work

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ll never shovel again here, because it will melt a couple of hours after the snow stops.

      • stangerx says:

        Long as you know won’t re-freeze the way to go. In Virginia we had all these dance above and below freezing storms. Your worst nightmare was all that snow half melting and getting a half inch of ice on top. We had ice storms too. Everyone kept bags of salt.

  11. stangerx says:

    Mando is right to point out who Grier has drafted in the link Phish put out. Makes it real world in terms of those firsts we’d give up for Watson. Even going with the best it makes the choice Watson or Tua, Tunsil and Minkah. If another first then add in Wilkins. Or maybe we are talking the next Charles Harris in there.
    He’s drafted seven players in the first round. They are Laremy Tunsil, Charles Harris, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Christian Wilkins, Tagovailoa, Austin Jackson and Noah Igbinoghene.

  12. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – I get what Mando is doing in that article but it’s not only about what he’s done in the past it’s what he can do this season. He might nail these picks and take 2 future HOFers. There’s always that possibility. Like BBM said, Harris was the only loser of the bunch, the other picks were good picks.

    • stangerx says:

      Just thought it interesting to put names we all know on it. And will admit Watson intrigues me. Not just he is good but cause he is 25. Trade for him and we could be getting a decade of franchise QB play.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yes, but there’s always a difference between grooming your own draft pick into a franchise QB and trading for one. No matter how you slice it, the trade sets you back in every other area, cap wise, and the ability to build around that QB you just traded for. We might have that franchise QB in house already, and we have so much ammunition to build around him. It’s not just the QB, it’s what you have to give up to get that QB

      • stangerx says:

        Completely agree…. that would be the price of it. Been waiting for that QB for a long, long time though. Man what a swing and a miss on Brees.

  13. CavalierKong says:

    We have snow pretty much year-round…about an hour away whenever we want to go play in it.

    It did snow here once in the 80’s I remember we got like an inch, or maybe it was half an inch. I was in 3rd grade, so I don’t really remember…

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s crazy that you can be in sunny Cali 1 minute then an hour later in the snow.

      • CavalierKong says:

        It’s the only good thing about where I live. We are an hour away from anything you want, a nice beach, the snow, forests, bay area, etc.

  14. stangerx says:

    Le’Veon Bell almost came to the Phins. But seems he wanted a winning team and one where he wouldn’t be a work horse back.
    Some quotes from Beasley.
    “That night was kind of little hectic,” Bell said. “The Dolphins were definitely in the mix, I was so torn between how much of a workload did I actually want vs. winning? After my time with the Jets, I was so focused on winning, I didn’t really care about how my production would look. It got so frustrating losing.

    I wanted to go somewhere where I can still have my body and still help the team win. That’s what separated the Dolphins and the Chiefs. I felt like if I went to the Dolphins, I would have done a little more. It’s hard even trying to explain it. But it was real close between the Dolphins, Bills and Chiefs.”….

    Bell, asked his thoughts about the Dolphins organization, said this:

    “I think they’ve got some good young players, a great head coach. … Great defense. We played them and their defense is really solid. They’re building some good things over there. We’ll see what happens.”

  15. Mike E. says:

    To me, you would think an athlete would want to be the centerpiece of the reason why a team won a championship. I mean he’ll get the ring either way, but I would want to be a major contributor rather than a bit player.

  16. stangerx says:

    “DAVIE, Fla. — The Miami Dolphins are promoting Eric Studesville and George Godsey to co-offensive coordinators, a source told ESPN.

    It isn’t set yet who will call plays, but it will be a collaboration between the two assistants to run the Dolphins’ offense. Together, they will replace Chan Gailey, who resigned as offensive coordinator last month.”

  17. steveccnv says:

    Could Godsey focus on the pass game, while Studesville focuses on the run?


    I guess this could work, but who decides when to call a pass or a run? Give Tua Tua plays 1 run and 1 pass and let him decide, if he wants to run or pass.

  18. Mike E. says:

    Has this ever been done before, 2 OC’s? It might work, 2 heads better than one?

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    So far I’ve been placed in a freezer, met with the wrath of a snowblower and hit with a blender manufactured snowball by this blog

    I have concluded that this blog sucks at snowball fights

  20. CavalierKong says:

    I guess since neither is an external hire, they already have a strong working relationship. It looks like they gave it a test run in the Senior bowl and liked the results enough to give it a go. It’s weird, but that doesn’t mean it can’t work.

    It’ll be interesting to get more information on the dynamics of a co-coordinator setup.

    • Mike E. says:

      It will definitely be different, although like you mentioned, not too unlike the HC that runs the offense but doesn’t call the plays.

  21. steveccnv says:

    It all depends on Tua, if he becomes the QB he was at Alabama the move will look genius, if not…

  22. steveccnv says:

    Tua was at that QB camp after HS, with Charlie Frye, he entered back of the pack, but after Dilfer ripped him a new one he went to the top.

    Was it Dilfer’s speech or something Frye did? Or was it Tua’s lights coming on.

    I guess we’ll have to wait until after Tua gets 6 rings, and they part ways🙄

  23. The Flying Pig says:

    When your snowballs cannot compete

  24. son of a son of a shula says:

    80 beers minus your age plus forty will give you the year you were born

  25. son of a son of a shula says:

  26. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 2, 2021 at 10:14 am
    I see it’s one of M’s favorite gals birthday today. M – you might want to wish Shakira a Happy Birthday!
    Didn’t realize this! Happy B-Day, Shakira!

  27. Mike E. says:

    LOL – What do you have all your favorite hotties all lined up in a queue?

  28. manitobafinfan says:

    BBM a funny you ask about Spam call from Brandon… I did accidentally pocket dial Miami today , then 3 hours later spent 2 hours trying to reach ANYONE at a Medley warehouse… likely on phone regarding that 1/2 the night tonight as well

  29. CavalierKong says:

    Lol, Toba. Do you always have to go out to a parking lot for that special ‘me’ time?

  30. stangerx says:

    55 could be worse than Paulina. But then she was the hottest thing on the planet for many years.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Is it weird that first and foremost this photo makes me jealous of her house

      Those doors that lead to the balcony are really beautiful

  31. Mike E. says:

    I think Paulina looks great

  32. manitobafinfan says:

    WOW, they can smoke my cigar anytime… gonna be tough steering on the way home 🤡

  33. Rockphin says:


    I am having that engraved on my tombstone

  34. Rockphin says:

    Paulina is the hottest woman in the entirety of my experience. Bar none IMO. She always has been. I fell in love with her at 13 YO and nothing has changed. LOL

    • Mike E. says:

      Where did you see her when you were 13?

      • Rockphin says:

        every magazine on the rack. She was on the cover of SI swimsuit issue in 84. She was on the pages in-between before that.
        I never actually met her if that’s what you are asking. She’s 4 years older than me and she has been around since her teens as a model and I first started noticing girls that summer and crushed hard.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yeah I remember her posters in stores that sold posters

        Do you remember those poster displays from the 80s
        Where you swung through each one so everyone in the store could see you were obsessing over the models

      • The Flying Pig says:

        These poster displays

        Remember how awkward puberty was when everyone in the mall could see you obsessing over the women in the posters to the loud swinging of the display

        These kids today don’t know how lucky they are to have the internet at home

  35. Rockphin says:

    I must say Paulina is the most secure in her insecurity….

  36. Rockphin says:

    It always makes me think of Rome, the way the sun hits the buildings in the afternoon.
    Well, what should we drink to?
    I like to say a prayer and drink to world peace.
    To world peace.

    The look on the old bar tender’s face always makes me laugh

  37. mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    February 1, 2021 at 11:47 pm
    MF, some QB, just cant step it up in the big games, they turn the ball over. Stafford has NEVER won a division or a playoff game in 12 years, it is what it is.
    its true the Lions arent the greatest team, no question about it, but that is no excuse for Stafford to toss interceptions when they got a wild card, and lose playoff games.
    obviously the rams think the old man is worth 2 draft picks, i think they are on cocaine, lol…
    Stafford is going to be 33 years old in 5 days. Would you like to see how many QBs had CAREER YEARS post-35 years old? Dude, Tom Lady* is in the Super Bowl next week, and he’s 43 years old.

    The GAME has CHANGED, due to Roger Goodell and the rules committee. It’s akin to Major League Baseball changing the height of the pitchers’ mound.

    QBs now have the opportunity to have a career that reaches well into their 40s. As such, Stafford is still a relatively young man at 33 years old. What’s more, he’s been a STUD QB on a team with zero weapons. I don’t care that Stafford hasn’t won a playoff game in 12 years, HE was never the problem in Detroit. Zero defense, zero playmakers, zero coaching, zero vision, zero running game, zero heroes.

    Where you and I agree? We certainly are building for our future, and didn’t need to make the move to trade for Stafford… that’s it. We weren’t even thinking about trading for Stafford… doesn’t mean he isn’t a very good QB, though.

  38. Mike E. says:

    Rock – I had actually never heard of her until she was with Ric Ocasek and was in one of The Cars videos.

  39. manitobafinfan says:

    Yes back in the day Farrahs Nipple was damn near porn …

  40. CavalierKong says:

    So wait, if I think she’s smoking hot, and I want her to keep those clothes off -even at 55-, am I evolved, unevolved, devolved, or not volved.

    I guess I’m just confused, lol.

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    I just remembered that Rick Ocasik died in 2019

    And Paulina and Ocasik divorced in 2018
    And actually took her out of her will right before he died

  42. manitobafinfan says:

    Jimmy Connors wife Patti McGuire, playmate of the year… Jaclyn Smith , Charlie’s Angel , Olivia Newton John and Lady Diana Spencer

  43. Tim Knight says:

    80’s Crush! First you look at the poster of the hot girl, then you make sure nobody is home, then you look at the poster of the hot girl again. After a few minutes you put this on.

  44. MIAMI BEACH, Fla. – Officers arrested Mark Walton, a former Miami Dolphins player, on Sunday after a fit of rage over the service at a Pizza Hut in Miami-Dade County’s Allapattah neighborhood.

    Walton, 23, said he felt disrespected by a Pizza Hut employee at 2101 NW 17th Ave., police said. He is accused of trying to break the fast-food restaurant’s window.

    Craig Thomas, Walton’s cousin, tried to get Walton off the property, but he refused and punched him, according to the arrest report. Thomas did not want his cousin to be arrested, so Walton is facing charges of trespassing and disorderly conduct.
    lol serves him right , who eats pizza in a damn hut anyway

  45. Stafford quote from last season ,,,
    “And as far as the turnovers go, there’s no excuse for those. Just can’t have them. I think four in the last two weeks is too many and I’m going to do everything I can to try to make sure that doesn’t happen again.”

    correct Mr Stafford, there are NO excuses for YOUR turnovers

    its hard to avoid multiple turnovers when putting up huge numbers like 17 yards passing,,,,lol

  46. i feel its vital for team success, to have a QB that doesnt give the ball away like haloween candy.
    Stafford has never looked the same after breaking his back twice.

    QB,s never blame their teammates for ints and fumbles, thats on them

    maybe Stafford will learn that over his next 12 seasons, maybe he wont, SMH

  47. MF, i dont agree that QB can play well into their 40.s/ maybe one or two, but thats it

    did u see Big ben last year? how many seasons do u feel he has left ?

    i cant see him taking another snap, hi constant stream of turnovers was the reason the 11 win undefeated steelers collapsed, and couldnt finish the season respectfully.’
    losing to the mistake by the lake on heinz field sums it up

    he turned the ball over constantly, even Dan Marinos last game was loaded with turnovers

    both Rothlisberger and Marino have won alot of playoff games, but once their careers were done, thats it

    thats when u know a veteran QB is DONE, if Stafford couldnt win a playoff game when he was young and healthy, he will need a HUGE dose of divine luck to win one now, IMO

    but agreed, the Fins did well to stay away from Staff, and the Watson price shot up, so they should avoid him also IMO
    some analysts are saying if Staff was worth 2 number one picks, Watson should be worth 4 first rounders

    i dont see ANY QB i would like to have for 4 first rounders, thats expensive

  48. Mike E. says:

    Rock – My uncle ruined all that for me. When I was 13, he got me a subscription to Playboy for my Bar Mitzvah. Never needed to get any of those SI issues or anything else for that matter.

  49. Jameis Winston is available, he is similar to Stafford at never winning a playoff game, except Winston only got 5 years before being ran off, versus 12 years for Stafford

    this is what a black QB faces, less than half the patience a white qb gets
    if he cant lead the team to greatness, he does NOT get 12 years.

    how good was Winston,,,,, was he in the same class as Farve, Rothlisberger, Cutler , and Stafford?

    yea, the head of that class,,,,,


  50. Mike E. says:

    Winston has serious arm talent, but his turnovers are what will keep him from being looked at as a top tier starter. 30 INT’s and 12 fumbles = 42 turnovers in a season. I know he threw 33 TD’s but factor in the 42 turnovers and you’re not going to garner serious interest. I don’t think it has anything to do with black and white.

    • check out the stats i provided , it shows that Winston as much better than Stafford

      also we dont NEED any stats to know that Detroit went with the turnover prone Stafford for 12 years,
      and TB only gave the turnover prone WInston 5

      Winston was the better QB, and his team had less than half the patience, its obvious that NO black QB ever had had 12 years to lead a team if he cant get the job done, there is NO black privelege for Winston

  51. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike E.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Lol…I tend to agree. I don’t wear things that declare my intentions. Too many years working intel. Unless I am looking to elicit a certain reaction. Then I might say or do anything.

  52. ocalarob says:

    I keep reading all this crap about how QBs fail their teams, the QB is only one player of 22 starters plus OC & DC & their philosophies, Yes the QB has a greater influence on winning and losing over all positions but that is still minute in the grand scheme of things.

    It’s a team effort that goes from the owner down to the towel boy, they are all spokes on a wheel.

    I think some of the perennial losing teams such as Detroit, The owner is more interested in the bottomline vs winning, in fact making more $ is winning.

    so to point out how Stafford never made any real progress is soley his fault is not correct, not even close!

    I wouldn’t mind at all if we were able to get Stafford as i said prior to the Rams deal.

  53. ocalarob says:

    Did anyone see the Rocket ship crash yesterday. it did great up until the landing.

    David that Rocket reminds me of you.

    It can never stick the landing.

  54. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Phelon – If I were talking to the wall as well it would be even better

  55. ocalarob says:

    Three golfing partners died in a car wreck and went to heaven. Upon arrival they discover the most beautiful golf course they have ever seen. St. Peter tells them that they are all welcome to play the course, but he cautions them that there is only one rule: Don’t hit the ducks during your first three months here.
    The men all have blank expressions, and finally one of them asks, “The ducks? “Yes”, St. Peter replies, “There are thousands of ducks walking around the course, and if one gets hit, he quacks, then the one next to him quacks and soon they’re all quacking to beat the band. It really breaks the tranquility, and If you hit one of the ducks, you’ll be punished, Otherwise everything is yours to enjoy.”
    Upon entering the course, the men noted that there were indeed large numbers of ducks everywhere. Within fifteen minutes, one of the guys hit a duck. The duck quacks, the one next to it quacked and soon here was a deafening roar of duck quacks.
    St. Peter walked up with an extremely homely woman in tow and asks, “Who hit the duck?” The guy who had done it admitted, “I did.” St. Peter immediately pulled out a pair of handcuffs and cuffed the man’s right hand to the homely woman’s left hand. “I told you not to hit the ducks,”, he said. Now you’ll be handcuffed together for eternity.”
    The other two men were very cautious not to hit any ducks, but a couple of weeks later, one of them accidentally did. The quacks were as deafening as before, and within minutes St. Peter walked up with an even uglier woman. He cuffed the man’s right hand to the homely woman’s left hand. “I told you not to hit the ducks,” he said; “Now you’ll be handcuffed together for eternity.”
    The third man was extremely careful. Some days he wouldn’t even play for fear of even nudging a duck. After three months, he still hadn’t hit a duck. St. Peter walked up to the man at the end of the three months, and had with him a knock-out, gorgeous woman – the most beautiful woman the man had ever seen. St. Peter smiled at the man and then, without a word, handcuffed him to the beautiful woman and walked off.
    The man, knowing that he would be handcuffed to this woman for eternity, let out a contented sigh and said aloud, “I wonder what I did to deserve this?
    The woman responds, “I don’t know about you, but I hit a duck.”

  56. bookman11 says:

    LOL @ Phelon and ORob!

  57. CavalierKong says:

    Prior to the start of the 2020 season:

    “Using this simple metric of fumbles and interceptions, let’s see where every quarterback with at least 50 starts ranks since 2015.

    31-40 fumbles + interceptions: Tyrod Taylor
    41-50: Alex Smith
    51-60: Aaron Rodgers
    61-70: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Case Keenum, Dak Prescott, Ryan Tannehill
    71-80: Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Matt Stafford, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton
    81-90: Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Russell Wilson
    91-100: Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, Blake Bortles, Eli Manning
    101-110: Kirk Cousins, Philip Rivers
    111-120: None
    121-130: None
    131-140: Jameis Winston

    Winston has a stunning 138 picks and fumbles combined in just 72 games.”


  58. pheloniusphish says:

    Don’t care much what Tannebum says, but Casserly is spot on.

  59. steveccnv says:

    The salary cap is likely going down some in 2021, not much, but if you consider other years it went up its going to put a damper on some teams.

    The Chiefs 19M over, Buffalo 6M over. Both these teams will have to either restructure or cut some players.

    Add in our situation, where we have cap space and an abundance of draft capital, it should push us closer to the top of the pack.

    Tua will of course have to be better than he was in 2020 or none of this means anything.

    • stangerx says:

      Thing about our cap space is that we don’t have many guys to cut to create more room. Guess part of having such a young team. Obviously you can mortgage the future, but don’t think we are there yet. Room for say two solid if not spectacular guys though.

  60. stangerx says:

    Would I ever like to be the guy who mixes the Gatorade.
    Here were MGM’s opening odds for the color of the Gatorade bath for the winning Super Bowl LV coach:

    Orange +140
    Red/Pink +300
    Yellow/Green/Lime +500
    Clear/Grey/White +650
    Blue +800
    Purple/Violet/Indigo +800

  61. pheloniusphish says:

    For our board attorneys…In the USA which branch of government writes laws?

    • stangerx says:

      Feel like that is a trick Q. Heck — I’ve written a law or two. The tough part is getting them passed by the legislature.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Technically anyone can write them

      But traditionally the legislative branch are the lawmakers in our country

  62. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Kong! 12 yards and the most turnovers ever.

  63. wyoming85 says:

  64. pheloniusphish says:

    Stanger/Piggy – who passes laws would have been the correct question. How do you feel about the CDC criminalizing (passing a law) not wearing a mask in private/public conveyances and on non-government property? While TSA overreaches by threatening civil penalties under 49 CFR § 1540.105 and 109 which are security regulations dealing with circumventing and interfering with screening personnel, respectively? All based on the President signing an EO? While EO’s only apply to government agencies?

    • stangerx says:

      Had a feeling you were going to executive orders with the other choice being court rulings, which have the effect of law as well. And get this EO impacts your work. EOs are big in these days from Obama to Trump and now Biden. Don’t know the full scope of the authority claimed, but if not right time to head to court. A whole bunch of Trump’s EOs overreached….. this one by Biden may as well.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Not so much impact on my work. If they show without a mask at the checkpoint they get turned away. If they kick up a fuss, deputies step in. As for the EO, the President can direct agency activity through EO’s. He can say all feds and fed contractors have to wear a mask on federal property. But he can’t direct government agencies to enforce laws that haven’t been passed by congress.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        But it’s okay. It’s only the Constitution being trampled.

      • stangerx says:

        You act like it is new. Obama started the EO frenzy. Maybe not this one but the majority of Biden’s have been canceling Trump’s. That ‘s the thing about EOs versus laws….. next pres can just do away with them.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Trump never tried to make laws that were to enforced on civilians. Don’t pretend it’s the same. And, as the Democrats proved, the next prez can’t always do away with the. DACA was created by EO and when trump tried to reverse it, the Dems sued.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I certainly hope someone sues the administration. And I hope it goes to the SC so they can re-institute the Non-Delegation Doctrine.

      • stangerx says:

        Don’t think was pretending anything. And hop people go to court as well…. in fact already put that out. I really couldn’t care less about this situation…. so no Trump v Biden about it for me. Just hope it works out how you want — cause I like you.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I tend to think it’s standard stuff

      To draw a comparison, the cdc issued an eviction moratorium last September during the prior administration as a means of addressing covid (it’s actually still in effect)

      That is specifically what I do so I had the chance to address that moratorium with other people that practice that and with judges. There was some confusion bc it’s not generally the type of thing we look to the cdc for legal guidance on

      and frankly, I think the cdc doesnt have jurisdiction over that and I know at least one NY judge who would have ruled that way had they been forced to make a decision with that moratorium as a basis

      But that controversy between whether the cdc has jurisdiction never saw the light of day – bc NY state has a moratorium too (and without getting into the weeds, there’s more than just a moratorium here). The courts still aren’t even operational to hear those cases, even if a case is commenced

      So it’s ends up being moot. So it doesn’t matter if it was overstepping authority or had jurisdiction – bc Ny state certainly had jurisdiction and they had a law which really, surpassed it.

      But make no mistake about it, the cdc moratorium left some very knowledgeable people shrugging kind of like “wtf is this” – we just got lucky and didn’t have to deal with a controversy of whether it’s enforceable or not bc Ny law (and really practice) surpassed it.

      Take that and apply it to any federal mask mandate

      You’ll have the same things is some states. They have laws that surpass it. So no real conflict. But other states that don’t have those kind of mandates – maybe we will see a challenge

      My inclination is to say a state that challenges it in court, might succeed, but there is some deference to an administrative agencies body’s powers. That’s really a rabbit hole of it’s own. There’s some leeway, there’s also some limitation.

      My gut tells me a court might rule that it might go a little too far

      That said, I support and expect aggressive federal action to combat covid19 even if it is stricken in court. So I’m all in on it! Lol

      There is a long history of these sort of battles. Andrew Jackson famously had to take on the governor of South Carolina who refused to honor a Supreme Court decision in Worcester v GA (it’s confusing as to why the SC governor was up in arms about a GA decision but it’s the kind of thing you see a lot in pre civil war America).

      FDR pushes some serious limits trying to take us out of the depression

      I think there is some famous quote like – “they ruled now let’s see them enforce it” I can’t remember the quote

      Here we are today in a pandemic and I’m kind of rooting for the Federal gov as a whole to really push the envelope to get this thing under control

      But it’s always a balancing act, so I expect a few darts to miss the dart board

      We will see

      • The Flying Pig says:

        As I was writing there are several more posts on this so I will reply

        Phish, the CDC under trump DID pass laws that effect civilians. The moratorium I referred to affected every landlord in the United States.

        It certainly isn’t consistent with what his propensities were, generally leaving a lot to the states, but it’s nearly impossible for the fed govt leave everything to the states

        Like I said above, I prefer to see the Fed govt get in there and aggressively take this on and make up for states that don’t.

  65. Rockphin says:

  66. Tim Knight says:

    I can’t believe how many posts there are debating Matthew Stafford being traded to the Rams.

  67. Rockphin says:

    This team better get their shit together and take the AFCE this season. I just had to eat shit from a stinkin bills fan and I couldn’t even dispute any of what he was saying. His teams backups DID destroy our team when we were desperately trying to get into the playoffs. I hope every Player remembers the feeling of the ass pounding they took week 17.

    the bills put up 87 points on this team last season. EMBARRASSING

  68. pheloniusphish says:

    Piggy – Thanks for the comprehensive answer. I’m mostly irritated by the TSA part of it because I spent so many years enforcing those regs for TSA. Such an abuse.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m about 90% sure that you are going to get your wish and it will be challenged in court

      I’m probably more around 50/50 whether it will be stricken

      But even if it is, they just go back to the drawing board and try to do it again through some other means

      It’s an odd way to do this sort of “legislation” but it’s also not really a surprise to me and kind of par for the course when you deal with a new administration who has a new problem to tackle

  69. Rockphin says:

    It all started with this one.

  70. mf13ss says:

    Lots of talk out there about the Raiders shopping Derek Carr. What’s more, there are *whispers* about Andrew Luck coming out of retirement. Crazy!

    What’s more, there is no NFL Combine this year… yes, most of us know this. But the Combine was where all of NFL brass rubbed elbows, talking about FA acquisitions (to re-sign a player or not), trades, and the like. To be clear, it was a place where ‘legal’ tampering had a blind-eye.

    Interested to see how business is conducted this year.

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s good to see someone other than SB7 and I are aware of this growing threat. Viva la…err..the down with Norway movement!!

  71. mf13ss says:


    Would you be interested in trading for Derek Carr or Andrew Luck? I mean, both have thrown for over 17 yards in a game and are just a little bit younger than Matthew Stafford… just sayin’… 😉

  72. bailbondmike says:

    If y’all don’t mind a prayer for my wife’s really good friend, Nicole Cristofaro.

    She is one tough Italian woman. Her kidneys shut down some years ago and was on the donor list then a year later was diagnosed with breast cancer. She beat that but had to be removed from the donor list for 5 years after her last chemo treatment. Fast forward to last November her dialysis port got infected and she became severely septic with infection around her heart. Doctors said she had maybe 2 weeks to live. Miraculously she pulled through that. Three weeks ago she was diagnosed with COVID. She got admitted a week later. Two days after being admitted they found out her port was infected again and she was septic again. On top of that, she has double pneumonia from COVID. She is fighting hard but doctors don’t think she will make it to the weekend. She only has 8 more months to get back on the donor list. My wife is a mess. Appreciate the prayers!

  73. manitobafinfan says:

    BBM. Prayers for yer friend

  74. Mike E. says:

    Damn BBM, my best to Nicole Cristofaro

  75. CavalierKong says:

    Positive vibes coming out from the west coast, BBM!!

    • olddolphan says:

      BBM: Nicole is in our prayers, too. A guy I work with has missed almost 4 weeks of work due to covid. His wife, who was doing poorly in ICU, is now home resting comfortably. Oddly enough, both my co-worker & his wife thought the covid was a “Total creation of the Liberal media!” They both are singing a different tune now!
      Two days ago the local TV stations were calling for a 70% chance of rain on Super Sunday. Now they’re saying a 40% chance of rain with a high 0f 73. This morning it was near 32 degrees in the northern suburbs of Tampa when I walked my dogs! Had to wear my Dolphins Super Bowl leather jacket and a LONG PAIR OF PANTS!! Oh, the indignity!

  76. bailbondmike says:

    You all are awesome, THANK YOU! Sorry to here about people close to you.

  77. Mike E. says:


  78. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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