Offseason questions linger – What will the Dolphins do?

March 11th, 2021. Spring is rapidly approaching, the weather is warming up, and so are the rumors. It’s too easy, the 2021 Miami Dolphins have a decent amount of cap space available, 9th in the NFL at just over #33M, but we’re also armed with a bunch of enticing draft picks, thanks to the Houston Texans. The Dolphins own picks #3, #18, #36 and #50, 4 picks in top 50 picks. We also have picks #81 (RD 3) and pick #124 (RD 4), and finally #207 (RD 6), 7 picks in all. There is also potential for us to trade back too, but I have no problem with focusing on quality rather than quantity. If there’s a player that can make a huge impact on our roster right now at #3, go get that player. Of course, we may trade this entire draft, Xavien Howard, Jerome Baker and Tua Tagovailoa to acquire the messiah, Deshaun Watson, so there’s that too. It’s just so easy to look at our team as the perfect trading partner for anyone, including the QB that in my mind doesn’t actually get traded. There’s also #1 on our roster who we prioritized with our #5 pick in last year’s draft. This is where we wanted to be, get our QB, and then have the ability to build the roster around that QB.

We definitely have holes to fill, especially with the surprise cut of LB Kyle Van Noy. We’re looking to upgrade and get younger too. I would expect a LB to be drafted by us, not necessarily with our first or even our 2nd, but it’s going to happen. We need a center unless we re-sign Ted Karras or look to FA once again to find one like we did last year. Corey Linsley is available and will cost similarly to re-signing Ted Karras. We may choose to draft a center and Creed Humphrey and Landon Dickerson are the 2 top centers in the draft. We also must upgrade our WR receiver corps and as the pictures I posted show, I would love to bring in former Lions WR Marvin Jones Jr. He’s such a solid, consistent receiver, and right now now we have none. I said it, ZERO. Oh this guy might become that, and this guy if he’s healthy could be that, but they haven’t and they might not. We need one professional receiver that suits up every game and produces and that’s why I like Jones. Jr. That wouldn’t stop us from drafting a stud WR and I believe we will, the more weapons the better.

Our linebacker corps just got thinner due to the release of Van Noy, and we only had thumper Elandon Roberts on a 1 year contract and he was injured very late in the season so he won’t be back. Vince Biegel is also a FA as is Kamu Grugier-Hill, leaving only Jerome Baker, Andrew Van Ginkel, Calvin Munson and Sam Eguaoven as our LB group. We need to find an impact player for that front 7 to pair with Jerome Baker who had his finest season as a Miami Dolphin last season.

We need an upgrade at RB, and rumors are flying that Aaron Jones and the Miami Dolphins are a match. I’m not as enthusiastic about this pairing as some people are. I think Jones was a nice piece in the GB offense, I don’t see him as the workhorse back we may need to lean on. To be fair, he’s a player not too unlike the Saints Alvin Kamara, smooth receiver who can run the ball in spots, but both of these guys aren’t pounders that wear the defense down, they’re more finesse backs. I think we have 2 guys on the roster already like that in Myles Gaskin and Salvon Ahmed. We need a true lead back and Jones is just barely a 1000 rusher and I think we should aim higher and pay less.

We could also use an upgrade at S, but it’s possible that last year’s 3rd RD pick Brandon Jones is given a larger role this year pairing with Eric Rowe, but good ole Bobby McCain looks like he could be facing down the guillotine himself. We can save about $6M if we cut him and I’ve always been a McCain advocate, but last year he had his chance and he didn’t really show an awful lot. With Nik Needham proving adequate in the slot and of course the presence of last year’s first RD pick Noah Igbinoghene, Mac faces some tough odds. What do you think we do???

GO DOLPHINS 2021!!!

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1,765 Responses to Offseason questions linger – What will the Dolphins do?

  1. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

    Stanger,

    Did I detect a Bill and Ted reference?

  2. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 16, 2021 at 3:17 pm
    As long as he’s 300 pounds and doesn’t eat pork I’m fine with him
    ————–
    LOL. He played at 340 last year (Porky) and was able to shoot the gaps like a young D. Poe. He’s down to 320 and is going to ROCK.

    Quite honestly, Alim McNeill may be one of the secret studs of this Draft. I could some team taking him in the late 1st, and I could also see him slip to day 3.

    I think the team that gets him will be absolutely thrilled with his impact.

  3. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

    Can we sign a projected starter already, so I can get my name back? lol

  4. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I want to “circle back” (Jen Psaki reference, LOL, sorry) to what Stanger mentioned yesterday: June cuts. After the FA frenzy is over, we’re going to see some mighty oaks fall… and they will be designated as June 1st cuts.

    It’s possible that we’re waiting for a mighty oak to land in FA at a near future time, when everybody else has blown their load (cap space) on tier-1 and tier-2 of FA.

    Now allow me to take it one step further, as Stanger was wisely looking to the future yesterday… many studs will still be on the market, up to the beginning of week 3 of the regular season… that’s when all contracts signed are non-guaranteed. That’s when it would make sense to sign a Danielle Hunter (if ultimately released), for example.

    Just some food for thought, as we’re ALL impatiently (me too!) awaiting to see what we ultimately end up with via FAs.

  5. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 16, 2021 at 3:39 pm
    M13 wants you to wax his car using the wax on/wax off method.

    I can’t do college football talent but man can I do my 80’s movies. 🙂
    ————–
    LOL, and I absolutely LOVE the 80s! “Karate Kid” is one of my faves.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      We used to check the listings in the paper and the Q was which one haven’t you seen? But that was back in the days before fire and multiplexes. 🙂

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        I was born in the mid-70s, so I was acutely aware of the 80s… it was my childhood. SO MANY fond memories of the 80s! Yes, I recall having to check listings in the paper and the like for movies, shows, etc.

        I even remember (with my allowance back then) buying the SI issue with Dan Marino and Bernie Kosar (<– the Miami Hurricane) on the cover. I also used to buy Football Digest when I was about 8-9 years old.

        I miss those days!

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        So you are just a decade back from most of the guys on the board. At one point would made you kid, but now just sorta of a somewhat younger man. 🙂

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        I’ll take “somewhat younger man” for $10,000, Alex! LOL
        The grey is beginning to show in my beard.

  6. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Why the heck is this about politics?
    Trump and Melania took the shot.

    50% of unvaccinated 2020 Trump voters now say they will “never” get vaccinated.
    8% for Biden voters..

  7. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  8. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  9. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    💩🥣💩

  10. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

  11. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Very strange — Hudson asked out of Vegas and offered up money to make it happen… even if Raiders still taking a big cap hit.
    —————————–
    Mark Sanchez @Mark_Sanchez
    ·
    2h
    The @Raiders grant Rodney Hudson’s request to be released after agreement to void his $3.5 MM guarantee for this season. Elite center will now be a free agent.

  12. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    When you celebrate a free agency spending spree

  13. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    —————–
    The Red Rifle is off the market.

  14. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Ian Rapoport
    @RapSheet
    ·
    2m
    The #Jaguars are expected to sign former #Lions WR Marvin Jones, source said, an accomplished, veteran offensive weapon.
    Mike Garafolo Retweeted
    Ian Rapoport
    @RapSheet
    ·
    9m
    The #Bears are expected to sign FA QB Andy Dalton, source said. Their new starter. He gets a 1-year deal worth $10M.

  15. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  16. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

    Gotta think a de facto deal is in place with someone. I’m betting the Panthers

  17. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

    Got our backup

  18. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Settling for less

  19. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

  20. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Woo hoo finally got one of my dogs
    We’re having Brisket tonight
    Welcome to Miami Jacoby

  21. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

  22. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    And Tua will have Tyrod in Houston like he was going to have here
    See what they did

  23. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Guess he didn’t want to pay the 5 or 10 percent.
    ———————————-
    “Brissett represented himself in free agency and doesn’t have an agent, allowing Miami to negotiate with him directly before free agency officially begins Wednesday. During the “legal tampering” period, teams can only negotiate with agents unless the players represent themselves.”

  24. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    LOL, I read about that signing and my first reaction was “Son will be happy, we finally picked up one of his running backs.”

  25. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    So what is the over / under for the number of games brisket starts next season? LOL

  26. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Fitz is the starter in Washington as of right now.

  27. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    5 Mil for Briskett

  28. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

  29. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Rock, what makes you say Malcolm Brown goes down easy, I think the exact opposite. He had some tough yards against us last year.

  30. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  31. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Tim

    See link below. 1.5 Yards after contact falls rather low in the league.
    https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=10202

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      You have know the situation. He’s always been a backup RB and he’s not a razzle dazzle type back, he runs hard as a physical change of pace back. Being that he’s been a backup his entire career you know he plays STs. He’s not a “we got our RB” signing. He’s depth.

  32. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Tim, understood.

    Were you excited about the Jordan Howard signing last year?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Excited might be too strong a word. I thought it was a solid signing but I think he lost his legs. Howard was a #1 starter for a few years rushing for over 1,000 yards a few times. Brown is a backup. Like I said before, he’s not a “we got our RB” signing. He’s depth.

  33. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    On a side-note, Twitter just suspended me for merely SUGGESTING that that Cardi-B and her “Wet Ass Pussy” song (WAP) might make her a whore. No, I didn’t call her a whore, I SUGGESTED that it might make her a whore.

    I can still repost from Twitter, but I have zero say on my Twitter account for 12 hours. LOL

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I’m always tactful with my words, especially on Twitter. But man… #1A is under attack. Can’t even SUGGEST something anymore.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        You can act like a whore while performing WAP for a G rated audience but you can’t say she’s acting like a whore or might be a whore for behaving that way. Got it. Yeah, that makes sense.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think we’re all living in the Twilight Zone these days.

  34. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    if we’re getting Jacoby Brissett, that;s great however i think that makes it less likely that we will pursue Watson

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I don’t really know, but I don’t think Watson is going anywhere. We needed a backup QB regardless. That was a hole because we didn’t have one. 😉

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        I’ve been saying Watson isn’t going anywhere. I was pretty damn confident he wasn’t coming here

  35. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rock – My first thought when I heard Brissett signed here was Sonny will finally be happy!

  36. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I think one of the reasons Miami is slow to pull the trigger is they are looking for 1 year deals to not get hamstrung by the cap in the future.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      We’re playing in the 3rd tier level of FA so far. I think we’re going to sign a significant WR and/or edge guy though. The trade for McKinney was the only starter so far.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Oh, I changed back to Kong. Is the game still on? We haven’t signed that first real FA yet?

  37. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Buffalo just signed Emanuel Sanders

  38. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierGrodd says:

    Here’s the real news on Tyrod Taylor.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I just watched Brian Billick break it down that Taylor’s skill set fits perfectly behind Watson as a backup. That’s all it is.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, it was the money being reported at first that made it seem like more. You don’t pay a backup QB 12.5 mil, but it’s an incentive laden contract, so if they do trade Watson, and he starts, he gets paid like it.

      • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

        They’re paying Deshaun like half their cap and then go and get ANOTHER 12 mill worth of QB. I smell bullshit.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Didn’t you read it Son, his contract base is 5 or 6m that’s all.

      What do you smell now?

  39. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Grier & Flores have struggled to get an Offensive Coordinator, they keep switching every year, they’ve also struggled to find a bell cow RB. I don’t even want to mention Tua.
    The jury is still out on this FO and they better get on the ball

  40. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    I’ve been saying his name wrong in my head I kept thinking it was Bendarrick
    That’s sounds kind of cool
    Ben derrick
    ben Derrick
    BEN derrick
    Bendarrick

    Only to find out he spells his name wrong lol and it’s

    Benardrick

    How do you even say that lol

    I don’t know some bedknobs and broomstick mother fucker is gonna be our new linebacker

  41. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I don’t care what the stats say, I like the Malcolm Brown signing. Saw him play several times, he always ran hard and moved the pile.

    I like the Biscuit signing too

  42. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Kong, the game can continue but not many people participated. My guy Marvin Jones went to Jax so I really don’t know who we’ll sign now.

  43. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Fake news

    Cheesehead da Zueira
    @CHdazueira
    ·
    Mar 10
    The
    @packers
    have released WR Davante Adams and EDGE Za’darius Smith. Cap casualties. Smith finish his carreer as a packer with 26.0 sacks

  44. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Laird could be gone with the Brown signing

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Possibly because he’s kind of a tweener RB/Receiver/ST’s guy. He’s not a guy who will be key to our success. But he’s also cheap.

  45. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Get Reddick and Golladay and call it a day

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That has been on my mind too. Armando has an article that says we’re targeting another Texan but I can’t see the article due to the paywall and I don’t feel like clearing cookies etc. and have to re-sign in on everything right now.

  46. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Why does Deshaun need a vet backup?
    They won four games WITH Deshaun if he goes down you don’t need Tyrod you need a rookie making fifteen bucks an hour.
    Deshaun is getting traded.

  47. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I wonder if we’re targeting Center Rodney Hudson?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I forgot say it’s kind of a hole. LOL

      In all seriousness, it seems Deiter is more of a versatile backup and we don’t currently have a starting center.

  48. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Sonny, I guess Watson isn’t coming here either now that Brisket is here

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      This is the example of 1.5 yards after contact. What about the 5-10 yards running into the teeth of the defense before that? He can get tough yards and wear a defense down late in the game. Gaskin will be in the mix and we’ll see how often Ahmed plays. But I like our RB situation more now than last year. We can still draft a RB.

      I really think Flores’ concept is to control the game both clock and scoreboard, and big plays will be the difference in all phases.

  49. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    What if we did this? If we can’t move people off the ball and protect the QB, I give up. LOL

    LT Jackson
    LG Kindley
    C Hudson
    RG Hunt
    RT Sewell

    Build the OL for Tua and the running game. We can easily do this unless the Jets take Sewell.

  50. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Tim,
    2 months ago I said we should draft Sewell, put him at LT. Move Jackson to RT. Guards would be Kindley and Hunt and draft Linderbaum from Iowa next year. Stop fucking with the plan, man! Lol

  51. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Watching the Trey Lance Pro day. He may go 2nd or 3rd. I hope the jets don’t take him.

    Detroit, Philadelphia, SF, Denver and Carolina are going to be fighting over him

  52. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Awesome. Filled two holes! I like it.

  53. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Tim,
    I actually talked about signing Hudson when he was a FA in KC. I think Sewell is a more natural LT from what I’ve seen. Actually, you’d probably play them both at both spots in practice and see what worked best. Either way would be fine, I’d guess.
    ***
    I thought Karras was solid last season…but he just may not want to do another short term deal. I can’t blame him, but I wouldn’t want to sign him to a multi year deal.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I hear ya! Find the best 5 on the OL regardless of who plays where. That would be a badass OL on paper anyway. LOL

  54. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    We can go into the season with the 3 RBs we now have + the FB/TE we signed.

    I think we still draft one, but it doesn’t have to be a 1st now

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I like Piggy’s guy Javonte Williams in the 2nd round. I have no problem with a strong RB by committee approach. Your running game doesn’t change if you lose the top dog.

      Tua excels at passing off of play-action, RPO with waggles and bootlegs. If we upgrade the OL in a big way, maybe now he can excel with some 7 step drops which is usually a deep pass. I think of the Bengals offense back in the day with Boomer Esiason.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        He’s actually DBolts guy (on Twitter) but I think DBolt is right

        I like Williams in the 2nd round or Najee Harris at 18 or in the 2nd if he falls to our first pick in the 2nd round

        I don’t see the RBs on our roster including recent signings changing our approach at RB

        I still think Harris is in play at 18

        But that might be a good spot for another position too

  55. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Mike, the big difference between us and Houston is that we need a good backup, we’re a playoff contender.

  56. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    steve,
    I really don’t worry about that too much. Most guys can flop from tackle to tackle. It’s not that often guys simply can’t. It happens but not very often. Plus, it used to be guys struggled to go from RT to LT, not because they couldn’t make the adjustment but because LTs simply had to be better athletes. Things are changing in today’s NFL where you have just as good rushers coming from either side, but for the most part, any guy who’s played LT will be able to switch to RT. He won’t want to, but the money is equaling out too. Like I said, you figure it out in practice. Either guy should do well at either position.

  57. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Tim,
    To my way of thinking, picking Sewell improves you at 3 different positions. You get an upgrade at LT, if Sewell is that good. You get an improvement at RT because Jackson should be better than Hunt. You get improvement at one guard spot with Hunt moving inside. All highly subject to debate, of course. Lol
    ***
    Draft a good young stud at Center and your OL is young and potentially pretty sweet. Also, I remember talking about Deiter possibly being a better C in the NFL when he was drafted. Maybe he’s been showing he can do it and do it well in practice and that’s why they haven’t resigned Karras. Who knows?

  58. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t know why you guys are talking about Sewell or Watson or what hamster fills what holes

    These are fantasies

    There is only one truth:

    Ja’Marr Chase will be a Miami Dolphin

    🐖💨

  59. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Piggy,
    Haven’t you heard? Tua sucks, and brisket is starting for us! Lol
    ***
    Seriously though. It’s about where the pressure comes anyway. “Blind side” is becoming less relevant as teams are bringing pressure from everywhere these days. But really…either way we’d have 2 good, young tackles to run with.

  60. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Piggy,
    Lol. I’m feeling pretty Zen about this draft. I don’t see how they can screw it up. Lots of ways they can go and improve this team.
    ***
    And you can pick Sewell and still get a really good WR at #18 too. Then draft Williams at the top of the 2nd. See…everything will be alright. 👍

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      ^

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I’m expecting 3 wrs in the top 10 and probably kyle pitts off the board by 15 as well

      So there is quite a drop off if you wait until 18 to draft a WR

      It doesn’t really even out

      We have a shot at slater, darrasaw or Vera-tucker at 18 but I’m not sure they will be looking at OT but for Sewell’s talent

  61. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Before free agency and currently I still like the below model

    1a Ja’Marr Chase
    1b pass rusher or RB (only Harris in the first)
    2a RB (Williams and Etienne are possibilities) or pass rusher
    2b 2nd WR Wallace/St Brown/Marshall. Wallace is emerging as one of my favorites

    3 OC or DL
    4 OC or DL

    Course if some one offers the game for the e pick I am game

    But I do think given the players that will likely be on the board at 18, that might be a better spot for a trade down

    I wouldn’t mind having another 2nd or 3rd rounder for a center or DL prospect

  62. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I’m a big fan of Najee Harris. But if we don’t land him we can still have a good running game without him. I think a badass OL allows our current RB situation to be more productive. No it’s not Christian Okoye or Barry Sanders, but it’s about moving the chains and winning games.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Oh I agree

      But I also think it’s often a few plays away from a winning FG, and gifted skill players sometimes get you in that position

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        As we saw in the Super Bowl, you better give your QB time. The Giants beat “Brady” twice with that. Skill players don’t work if you can’t block the play.

  63. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    As Krishna says, this team has so many holes they can do anything they like in the draft. They could pick WR, S, OL, RB, DE/LB, OC. Holes everywhere! Lol

  64. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Piggy,
    I see lots of people saying there will be 4 QBs taken in the top 10 now. If 3 WRs go in the top 10, 7 out of 10 would be crazy.

  65. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i heard Watson was not interested in going to Miami or the Jets, he wants to either go to San Fran or Denver. more rumors but it may be true.

  66. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 16, 2021 at 9:24 pm
    This is the type of guy ORob has been pining for since Ajayi was here
    _____________________________________

    you never know if this guy will pan out, sometimes these RBs lose their ability quickly, i certainly liked him in L.A.,
    The thing is, the most important down in football is 1st down, if you can consistently get 4 yrds per carry on 1st down, it’s the difference in being great team vs a losing team because with 2nd and 6 you have a lot of options and the opposing D is at a disadvantage.

    D’s know you want to run the ball on 1st down and they emphasize stopping that run on 1st down.

    having a guy that can produce like that on 1st down is a big key to winning and will do wonders for Tua’s game if we have to suffer thru that.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      I’ve been told here that’s not true, not naming no names….Rock…..”cough…cough”.. this certain poster comes to me with stats showing that the league avg run vs pass on 1st dn is like 50/50, to not have to deal with this argument again you really have to look at the 1st half of run vs pass on 1st down, in the 2nd half when teams get behind they tend to pass more on 1st down which misleads that stat.

      the forest thru the trees.

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        As long as the rat bastard doesn’t run for 10 or more yards on 1st down! Then it doesn’t count at all!

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        The stat of eliminating 10 yard plus runs was to show the effectiveness of a RB that can get the tough yards, I know it’s tough for you to grasp this concept.

        10 yrd + do count but doesn’t necessarily equate to what i’m referring too, if you have a guy that gets you 20 yard gains once, twice or 3 times a game but he can’t make the tough yards on first down, sure that guy is flashy, he’s a speedster,

        that doesn’t equate to a winning formula, his yrds per carry are misleading. you need consistent gains on 1st down.

        i want to know the avg down and distance on 2nd down? if you’re picking up a 1st down on 1st down you cant get the avg down & distance on 2nd down because there is no 2nd down

        see Drake, see reggies bush, great spurts but not consistent in getting the tough yards.

        it’s just a criteria to show the true picture of a bell cow.

        again the forest thru the trees,
        but keep trying.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        If you want to have a winning football team you first have to understand the things that will make you a winning team, have manageable down and distance on 2nd down is one of the top things that separate the good teams from the bad teams.

  67. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    We definitely still need more talent at RB. Brown is OK but he’s no workhorse, he’s a committee RB. It was like getting Breida last season, except Breida was the speedy pass catching back, Brown is a more physical back, but nothing to get too excited about.

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      We just signed Jacoby Brissett, what else do you want?

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Breida didn’t get PT, because he wasn’t consistent. We’ll see with Brown.

      He should help out with short yardage situations too.

      Short yardage backs, with 20+ carries on downs < 3 to go, should also have another stat next to their name, called runs on downs w/ 3+ yards to go, to give a more true ypc avg.

      While other backs may also have some short yardage carries they also have 3rd and long garbage carries to even it out

  68. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Mike how many RBs do we need? will we draft a RB? i like the guy from NC, but i’m not sure drafting a RB that early is in their plans.
    i think they focus more on the defensive side of the ball with the early picks.

  69. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I thought the Patriot soending spree was both planned and desperate since Brady left.

    Brady proved he can do it without Belichick. Don’t you think Belichick wants to do the same, i e. without Brady.

    Belichick’s coaching stats were awful before Brady, as I recall.

  70. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Orob, I totally get the 1st down gain is huge in moving the ball downfield, moving the chains. But discounting a first down gain of 10+ between the tackles serves your rhetoric and nothing more.

    Typically, one is breaking tackles and finding creases in traffic on 10+ yards up the middle, I would think. I want that in a RB and those stats should count.

    Forest through the trees?

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      Afterall, I watched Czonka get 4 yards every time he carried the ball. It was money!

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Correct, he got us in 2nd and short a lot, that’s the kind of back ORob is saying he wants, so that we have manageable yards to pick up to get a first down, raising your % of getting the first down.

        When you have the 50 yard getter he may be the direct result of getting a td on that drive, but hurting the team the rest of the game.

        Why has Brady been so effective? Because he manages the down and distance and is accurate when it’s time to move the chains.

        Every down and yard counts, it’s very important to get every yard you can up to the 1st down.

        Why do you think he checks down so much? Because he takes the 4 or 5 yards the D is giving him to make the next down more manageable

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      You missed his point, he said runs of 10+ count, but are thrown out for this stat, because he’s only tracking how many yards to go on 2nd down.

      When you throw out the 10+ yard carries it gives you a true stat on 2nd down yards to go.

      When you leave 10+ in, it skews the stat by removing the consistency factor. Meaning the guy that runs for 51 yards once a game, then averages 1 yard his next 9 carries, has a 6 ypc average, but never put you in 2nd and short and looks like a great 1st down rusher

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        I couldn’t have said it better myself

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        Completely disagree! Great minds think alike.

        You completely missed my point. Did factor it was a run btween the tackles which seem to be part of the formula. Sweeps shouldn’t count in Orob’s formula. Fine.

        The argumenet made as I understand it is having a back that can bruise his way between the tackles and make the rest of 1st down easier. What’s easier after making a 1st down? You get another series.

        Twisted logic, imo, if you throw out stats that don’t suit your argument. A first down made between the tackles shoukd count.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        just take a look at Drake vs Gore, taking 10+ runs out of his equation resulted in him avg less than 2 yrds per carry, vs gores 4.5 yards per carry.
        so who do you want in there on first down to get you a manageable 2nd down and distance?
        It doesnt matter what type of run it is, over 30 runs on 1st down what is your avg per down and distance on 2nd down? because that stat right there equates to winning football games and that’s the man you want in there on first down, IMO

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        i’m talking early when the game is in hand, sure you might want to put a Drake type in there on 1st dn late in the game if you’re down.
        on the other hand if i’m up 2 scores late and want to milk the clock i go with Gore.
        in the first half i go with Gore while the game is still close. establish a running game and put my offense in manageable 2nd dn situations.
        so how do i know who the best guy is for what i want to achieve?
        i refer to that adjusted criteria stat to know who the real bell cow out of my RBs

        situational football

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        If i were a coach watching practice i wouldn’t need that stat, i would know just by the sheer power of my guys however me being a fan and watching the likes of drake light up the field with his fantastic runs and all you guys blowing his horn yet for the most part cant get 1 yrd on 1st down.

        i want to know if he’s really a good RB for the situations that Gase put him in and he most definitely wasn’t

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        Orob, i think i get your point. Correct me, if I’m wrong. That’s ok.

        You want someone who can run between the tackles for 4 yards on 1st down every
        time. I witnessed that with Larry Czonka.
        Great!

        Now, you say they if they go 10 yards on first down between the tackles, it doesn’t count. Makes no sense.

        And, you and your greater mind conjure 2nd down and short as most important. Twisted logic.

        I’ll take a new series every time over 2nd and 5, especially up the middle. You can’t throw out stats to make up your argument.

  71. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    McKinney contract will be reworked, so that is has a smaller cap hit this year. Likely a 1m salary and a roughly 6m bonus, so that he counts 3m against the cap, instead of 7m

  72. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) Tweeted:
    A lawsuit alleging sexual assault is being filed against Deshaun Watson, per @FOX26Houston

    Watson has released a statement denying the allegations. https://t.co/0v1La101HM https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1372053609488080902?s=20

  73. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    While I’d like it to be true, only so that we don’t trade for him, I smell BS, at least until it’s proven it’s not about a baseless social media post like Watson claims.

    Seriously, someone is crying, because someone said something to them on a social media platform? If that’s your biggest problem in your life you’ve had a pretty good life so far, so quit bitchin

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t know who you mean by someone’s crying

      If you mean Watson, I think he has to make a public statement if he thinks it’s fabricated

      If you mean the person the filed the suit, I don’t think the lawsuit is about a social media post, Watson in his stent says he hasn’t seen the complaint, he only saw the social media post about the lawsuit

      I don’t know what the allegation is. I don’t think Watson knows.

  74. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I did not realize this but last month we signed the Saints’ backup center Cameron Tom. Probably does not mean much but they must have saw something to sign him. Only started 1 game since leaving college 4 years ago and has 12 appearances in games.

    There is also another center we signed last September on the roster in Tyler Gauthier from “The U” who was on the Pats practice squad in 2019 and another short stint there in 2020.

    I think we sign a big name center or draft one and see who is the best to keep as a backup.

  75. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    We do have quite a few DE’s on the roster to go along with Ogbah. I will be very interested to see where the 3 rookies progress. Especially the last 2 in Render and Strowbridge.

    Nick Coe DE 6-5 291 23 R Auburn
    Jonathan Ledbetter DE 6-4 264 23 2 Georgia
    Tyshun Render DE 6-4 248 23 R Middle Tennessee State
    Jason Strowbridge DE 6-5 273 24 R North Carolina

  76. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    You’re correct I read it wrong, he became aware of the lawsuit from a social media post. Scrap my previous Rosannerossanadana post🤪

    We’ll see what comes of this, but a revenge factor may be:

    The lawyer who filed the suit is Tony Buzbee, a friend and neighbor of former Texans owner Bob McNair.

    It’s nothing tk me until more details come out, but these athletes like AB and others sure give a bad name to other athletes, making these allegations seem believable

  77. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Tom Pelissero
    @TomPelissero
    ·
    10m
    Former #Lions CB Justin Coleman has agreed to terms with the #Dolphins on a one-year deal worth up to $2.75 million, per source.

    Can he play the slot?

  78. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Wow, 23 mil a yr avg for OT.

  79. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Cameron Wolfe
    @CameronWolfe
    ·
    12m
    Dolphins are adding former Lions CB Justin Coleman on a 1-year deal worth up to $2.75M, source confirms.

    Coleman is best at slot CB and can play special teams. Former Patriot. A good depth signing — can come in and compete with Noah Igbinoghene, Nik Needham for backup CB spots.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Career – 4 ints 2 for tds and another a 50 yard return, 1 td on Fumble recovery, 2 sacks, 4 FF and 41 PD

      JAG, but need more competition at slot, can’t just give Needham the job again

  80. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    I wish we would sign or draft a better FS and move Bobby McCain back to slot corner. One of the reasons McCain was so good there is his smarts and he holds the 6th fastest 20 yard shuttle in combine history and a good 3 cone to go with that. He has that short area quickness. I think his 4.5+ 40 time is what hampers him back there.

    I would prefer a speedy ballhawk back there.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I don’t know if it’s the scheme or the players but I can’t remember any big plays from our safeties last year. They were solid, but not dynamic in any way.

  81. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    One thing I did not realize is our CB Byron Jones is tied for 7th in combine history for vertical jump and, more surprising, he holds the record for the longest broad jump in combine history as the only one to ever broad jump over 12 feet.

  82. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Hard to argue this

    Omar Kelly
    @OmarKelly
    ·
    6h
    It hurts my soul to say this, but if the Dolphins don’t add another edge player in free agency Miami might be forced to use two of the team’s top 4 picks on someone to replace Lawson and Van Noy.

    Edge player isn’t a deep spot in this draft, and scheme fits are limiting.

    Although one solution is AVG getting more PT and getting Biegel back.

    Pretty sure we’re going Edge at 18, Kwity Paye seems to be in play too from what I read, but I haven’t watched any tape

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Aiight, I’ve seen enough from Mr Paye, and he’s no quick twitch Edge, he’s more of an edge setter. I don’t want any part of him at 18, maybe in the 2nd

  83. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Aditi Kinkhabwala
    @AKinkhabwala
    · 8m
    Make that another White heavy check mark: Eric Stokes solidified time he ran last week, clocking an unofficial 4.25 in the 40 here at @GeorgiaFootball Pro Day. Fellow CB Tyson Campbell looked fast too, w/ an unofficial 4.39. (Per multiple scouts, all of whom miss official combine timer Mark Gorsuch)

  84. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    With Todd Gurley moving on to Atlanta last season, Malcolm Brown became the elder statesman of the running back room and providing a good mentor for younger players like Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson Jr. But the Rams also leaned on Brown on third down because of intimate knowledge of Sean McVay’s complex offense and his cerebral ability to pick up blitzes as a pass protector. Brown also was L.A.’s best runner in goal-line situations, finishing with five rushing touchdowns on the year — 10 over the last two seasons.

    With Cam Akers emerging as a workhorse running back at the end of last season, the Rams did not have a need to bring back Brown in free agency. However, the 27-year-old Brown still has some gas left in the tank as an experienced, complementary back in a young running back rotation.

  85. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Krishna says:
    March 17, 2021 at 10:49 am

    Now, you say they if they go 10 yards on first down between the tackles, it doesn’t count. Makes no sense.

    And, you and your greater mind conjure 2nd down and short as most important. Twisted logic.

    I’ll take a new series every time over 2nd and 5, especially up the middle. You can’t throw out stats to make up your argument.
    _______________________________________________–

    i would take first down as well however that’s very unlikely, so who can get me in the best position on a consistent basis? you’re missing the point.

    by your way of thinking we should have put Mercury Morris in on 1st down vs Csonka, after all Morris could break off a 40 yard run, csonka was only good for 4 to 6 yards.

    i knew Shula was wrong in putting Csonka in there on first down, Damn!

    if you go 2nd& 6…… 12 out of 15 times in a game
    or you get 2 …..1st downs running 10+ twice and the other 13 times you are in 2nd & 9,

    which would you rather have?

    the reason i eliminate 10+ is to not be fooled by the stats to find out if player A vs player B should be in on 1st down.

    like steve said on first down,
    player A has a 50 yard run and only 1 yrd per carry the other 9 times, he’s avg 6 yards per carry.
    player B has 10 carries for 40 yards none over ten yards he avg 4 yards per carry.

    on 1st down when you want to put your offense in a reasonable down and distance, which RB will you choose A or B?

    A is getting you 6 yards per carry, wouldn’t you choose him?
    I would choose player B because he’s more consistent with getting me in that down and distance.

    to identify that player you just can’t go by his yards per carry, he could break lose and get a lot of yards on one play vs the guy that can consistently pick up the tough yards.

    this is the reason i exclude 10+

    i can’t explain it any better and i’m surprised you don’t understand the logic.

  86. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    you’re assuming that you would rather have a 10+ run every time over a 6 yard run, i would as well but that’s not reality.
    you’re looking at from a hindsight perspective.
    we don’t know what will happen prior to the play, all we know is we want a manageable 2nd down to keep the drive alive and keep the D guessing.
    if we’re in 2nd and 9 we are at a huge disadvantage because the D knows we have to pass and they play pass.
    if we’re in 2nd and 4 the D has no clue what we are doing, therefore they have to play us honest which opens up the field.

    so who gives us the best chance to be in manageable down & distance?

    the guy avg 6yards per carry after running 51 yards

    or the guy with 4 yards per carry and no 10+ yards?

    removing the 10+ identifies that player.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Makes perfect sense to me and I thought about it😉

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      I’m not assuming anything and certainly not assuming (as you are and that’s my point) your one-off of a 50 yarder with 1 rush. That means his average is 50/yds per rush. That’s not what I am saying at all, but that’s YOUR argument.

      I wll take a new set of downs after starting 1st and 10 vs 2nd and whatever every time. That’s why you count it. Perhaps you need to refigure your calculation with a few other variables. It’s not good and it’s only my opinion.

      I would take first and a new series, 2nd and 1 and 3 and 6 and all in between every time, but you want to throw out his 1st and new series, because according to your logic he will only do it once and the rest of the time he we fall down but look better on paper. That’s just stupid.

      I want a 3 down back, but a 3 headed monster like Csonka, Kiick, and Morris is in the past. Diversity and power are most important in a RB these days, imo. I prefer a hard runner, and forgive me if I mention Ricky Williams. He could go inside, speed to go outside, catch, push a pile, and blow by everyone.

  87. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    SBNation says we’re in the mix for former Texans ILB Tyrrell Adams, he had 2 sacks and over 100 tackles last year, it also says he projects inside.

    Why would we sign another inside LB? Can Baker play outside?

    Currently Baker, Biegel, AVG, and McKinney put good pressure on the QB, so do we need another pressure LB or do we need another 3rd down Edge opposite Ogbah?

    Seems like we have the early downs covered with Ogbah, Raeqwon, Wilkins and Sieler, then add the 4 LBS plus Eguavoen and we really don’t have any holes.

    We used a lot of LBS last year, so maybe one more for depth.

    As for needing 2 to replace KVN and Lawson, I’m not sure we need 2

  88. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Drake was avg 1.9 yards per carry on 1st down excluding 10+ scampers. avg 6 YPC total
    Gore was avg 4.3 yards per carry on 1st down excluding 10- scampers avg 4.5 YPC total

    if you’re in a close game early and you’re goal is to try to get a manageable down and distance on 2nd down to keep the drive alive, which RB are you going with?

  89. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Cameron Wolfe
    @CameronWolfe
    ·
    11m
    Former Dolphins C Ted Karras going back to New England. That means David Andrews, who the Dolphins are interested in, will have a new home.

  90. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Malik Hooker, let’s get him

  91. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Herald reports we’re getting receiver help from a familiar source, not sure what that means, unless Tannehill is coming back as a WR😉

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Maybe it’s Malik Hooker, who is familiar to Brisket

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Adam Caplan
      @caplannfl
      ·
      34m
      I’m told veteran TE Charles Clay is intent on returning to the field for the 2021 season.

      He had offers from several teams as the 2020 season progressed, but chose to sit out due to the pandemic.

      He last played for the #AzCardinals during the 2019 season.

  92. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Dolphins have agreed to terms with former Patriots DT Adam Butler on a two-year deal, sources confirmed.

    Another solid depth signing. He’ll join what’s become a strong DT group with Christian Wilkins, Raekwon Davis and Zach Sieler.

  93. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Adam Caplan
    @caplannfl
    ·
    34m
    I’m told veteran TE Charles Clay is intent on returning to the field for the 2021 season.

    He had offers from several teams as the 2020 season progressed, but chose to sit out due to the pandemic.

    He last played for the #AzCardinals during the 2019 season.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      If accurate I like the signing. Tough guy who can make those 3rd catches and move the chains as well as a seam buster

  94. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    the way tua gets better is to have a physical RB behind a Physical OL that can gush forward with a heavy run game.

  95. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    CB Coleman 4 INTS 2 for TDs and 4 FFs, played first 2 years for Flores in NE.

  96. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    WR, Edge, RB, and S with our 1st 4 picks, then LB depth and we’re done

  97. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Butler all 4 years with NE, 20 TFL, 9 PD, 6.5 300.We swapped him for Godchaux but Butler is better.

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