Dolphins very active before the 2021 NFL Draft

The first big mover was actually a subtraction from the roster as the Dolphins parted ways with LB Kyle Van Noy after recently (last season) signing him to a 4YR/$51M deal. That move was followed by the eventual trade between the Dolphins and the Texans which sent DE Shaq Lawson to HOU for ILB Benardrick McKinney. The Dolphins gave the Texans our 6th RD 2021 pick in exchange for their 2021 7th RD pick. Lawson played both OLB and DE for the Dolphins last season but never really hit his stride in our defense. Van Noy was brought here for his leadership and his playmaking, but the surprising rise of OLB Andrew Van Ginkel helped make Van Noy expendable. While AVG played mostly weak side and and Van Noy played primarily strong, both were interchangeable. I’m guessing the new #55 will undergo a uniform number change as the Eagles would say Ol’ 55, Jerome Baker owns that number. McKinney will definitely solidify the middle next to Baker and and the bigger (6’4 260) McKinney brings more physicality there while Baker brings the sideline to sideline quickness and speed.

In addition to McKinney, the Dolphins further solidified the run defense with the addition of DT Adam Butler. Butler was a rotational guy on the Patriots defensive line with only 12 starts in 4 seasons but he played in all but one game, and he averaged about 45% of the defensive snaps, so he had a good amount of playing time. He’s a DT that gets good penetration, with 20 tackles for loss, 15 sacks and 22 QB hits over parts of 4 NFL seasons. Unfortunately for former Dolphins DT Davon Godchaux, that most likely seals his fate and he most likely will not be returning here. (Update!) Godchaux has signed a 2 year deal with the Patriots, thanks to a couple of FMU NFL insiders.

On the offensive side of the ball, the Dolphins signed RB Malcolm Brown from the LA Rams. Brown while never a premier ballcarrier or workhorse, he brings a more physical running style than what we currently have in Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed and Patrick Laird. Brown was basically the 3rd cog in the Rams run game behind Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson. Brown had a career high 419 yards on 101 carries with a 4.1YPC. He also caught 23 balls for 162 yards and had 5 rushing TD’s. I believe this still leaves the door wide open to draft a RB, even an early pick as I think we still need a talent upgrade there. The Dolphins just recently signed former Texans WR Will Fuller to a 1 year deal. Honestly, I never wanted any part of Fuller because although he has the speed we need, he’s a guy that has a tough time staying on the field, and considering the fact that we already have that in DeVante Parker, that doesn’t give our young QB any kind of stability when guys are constantly missing time. In any case, the Dolphins do get a guy who averages on the high end of YPR (14.9) overall but a career high 16.7YPR last season along with 8 TD’s. Also keep in mind that both Allen Hurns and Albert Wilson are set to return this season after opting out due to COVID last season. Wilson and Hurns together count less than $8M against the cap so don’t count them out just yet.

We didn’t get Joe Thuney, David Andrews or even re-sign Ted Karras, so the Dolphins decided to gamble on former ravens C Matt Skura. Much like Fuller was to me, Skura wasn’t really on my radar. Skura was a 4 year started for a stout Ravens O-line, but he has had injury issues, most recently having a devastating injury 11/19 in which he tore just about anything and everything in his knee including his ACL/PCL/MCL and dislocating his knee cap. To Skura’s credit, he toughed it out last season starting 12 games and playing in 15. As to whether he’s an upgrade over Ted Karras remains to be seen, but Skura was definitely the less expensive option. It’s once again, possible we draft a center with Creed Humphrey, Landon Dickerson Josh Myers, and Trey Smith available. Dickerson and Humphrey could go as early as 2nd RD but the others should be available in the middle rounds.

There are rumors still swirling linking former Seahawks RB Chris Carson and the Dolphins. While I have no problem with bringing in Carson, in my mind at least it would have made the signing of Malcolm Brown unnecessary, but Brown at $1.75M hardly breaks the bank. If we do get Chris Carson, that would almost certainly turn our attention away from drafting a RB early in this draft, meaning no Najee Harris, Javonte Williams or Travis Etienne.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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2,263 Responses to Dolphins very active before the 2021 NFL Draft

  1. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Along with having ascending players in key spots and valuable role players at others, the Dolphins obviously have benefited from some good coaching — because the kind of success they’re having would not be possible without it.

    Fejedelem discussed Crossman’s coaching and his style this week.

    “He just demands that you know your assignment,” Fejedelem said. “You’re only getting chewed out if you’re not going through all the scouting reports with a fine-tooth comb. He holds the players to a standard, the guys on this team hold each other to a standard and that’s why we’re executing the way we are right now.”

    Kind of puts into perspective why he can take hisins…

  2. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 30, 2021 at 10:44 am
    Friggin Watson thinks he’s living in Bangkok, where a few Baht will get his rocks off, in a massage parlor
    ————————
    Places like that in the US too… just ask Bob Kraft. Thing is Watson didn’t go to them when he could have. Forcing/manipulating it on normal massage therapists must have given him some kind of thrill. Not like the money involved was an issue.

  3. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    DeVonta Smith is a popular faller in a lot of mock drafts. One just looking at had him at #15 to the Pats. And many have Waddle in front of him. What happened? Not like anything really did except him weighing in at 170 instead of the 175 listed on the roster.

  4. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I don’t think our special teams was all that great this past especially in terms of kick coverage. We gave up 2 punt returns for TD this year and in the KC that was the difference between a win and a loss

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Overall we’ve been pretty good on STs for a few years. A couple of bad plays doesn’t take down the entire body of work.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Kick coverage needs to be better imo. We have good kickers and a good returner when Grant is healthy but giving up 2 returns for TDs is not good. Most teams don’t give up one

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Kick coverage or punt coverage? Most of the kicks weren’t even returned which is the case for the entire league. Most kicks end up touch backs.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Punt coverage

  5. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    “…the Niners were able to move early with their play, engaging the Dolphins about three weeks ago. Lynch and Miami GM Chris Grier pledged to keep the talks quiet. Teams calling the Dolphins to sniff around the third pick were told only that Miami had a strong offer for it. The Dolphins didn’t shop the Niners’ offer, and the Niners didn’t double back to the Jets or anyone else looking for a better deal.

    “The Dolphins, though, were looking for a way to stay closer to where they were originally picking, which led to this becoming what was essentially a three-team trade. And Miami needed a partner that would keep the talks in confidence. So Grier called the Eagles, who owned the sixth pick, a little more than two weeks ago to ask if they would be interested in moving back to 12 if the deal with the 49ers went through. Philly said yes, and the Dolphins told the Eagles they’d circle back. Then Grier and Eagles GM Howie Roseman chipped away at the parameters of a second-order trade.”
    -– Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated on how the trades went down.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That’s exactly how the trade looked when it went down, a three-team trade. That’s why i said we didn’t really trade a 1st to move up to #6, it was all part of the deal to make it happen. The 49ers provided the picks.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Makes all the sense in the world based on what we saw. Only thing was surprised about is it all started 3 weeks before. Wouldn’t have thought that was a 2- 3 day thing.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yeah it was a really creative trade.

  6. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Only did the first 3 rounds

    TEAM PICKS

    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 C Creed Humphrey – Oklahoma
    81: R3 P17 WR Amon-Ra St. Brown – USC

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      If Grier can do that one think he’d be the most popular guy in So FL.

    • bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

      Nice, but I think after taking Chase combined with our current WR room, I would not take another WR at #81. Just my 2 cent.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think Parsons is going to last that long. I also agree with BBMike, I wouldn’t go WR again that early after taking Chase. But this would be a fantastic draft overall.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I actually instantly regretted the second WR instead of DL bc McNeil was still on the board

      But I happen to like St. Brown. I think he can be a Christian Kirk type of WR

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I like St. Brown too. But I’d rather add another Edge guy than two WRs. We do have quite a bit of talent at WR and when you count Gesicki as a weapon there are only so many catches to go around.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I like the idea of drafting more than 1 WR. Outside of Parker and Fuller there is no one on our roster that I feel confident about and both Parker and Fuller have a history of being injured

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I know he’s had a hard time staying healthy but Mike Williams is legit and with Hurns and Wilson still on the roster, along with a top prospect like Chase, and then Gesicki, there are only so many catches to go around.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I figure if we grab a 2nd one would be a slot. And not even sure how badly we need one of those, even if could be an upgrade possibility. Parker, Fuller plus one of the top 3 is quality depth.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I meant Preston, not Mike. LOL

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Hurns and Wilson are dead weight imo. I don’t see either on the roster and I would much rather invest in 2 quality rookies to take their spots

  7. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Ken, we were 2nd in the league in punt return yards allowed at 4.3 yards. That is WITH the two returns for TD included in those numbers. A breakdown on two plays. doesn’t mean a squad is bad. They covered 68 punts last season. Only 2 were touch backs. One of the TD’s was for 67 yards and the other for 84. Obviously breakdowns. They gave up a total of 297 yards on punt returns. More than HALF those yards on two plans. (I remember one of those having an egregious non-call holding and block in the back by the Buffalo)

    I hate stats that “take away” a play, but if you take those two bad plays they would have averaged 2.2 yards allowed per punt return. Easily 1st in the league.

    I think our ST was better than you give credit for.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      The punt return in the KC game is the difference between us being in the playoffs and not. You can’t have afford to have breakdowns like that on ST and 2 of them is 2 too many

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        There were a ton of moments throughout the games this year that we can point to and say “That is why we missed the playoffs” I argue that If we had punched in the TD from the Bills 1 yard line with 3 tries in game two that the KC game wouldn’t have mattered.

        1st & goal from the 1 – No gain
        2nd & goal from the 2 – No gain
        3rd & goal from the 1 – No gain
        4th & goal from the 1 – Incomplete pass

        THIS ^^^^ us why we missed the playoffs. LOL

        The rest of you can argue the seminal moment that cost us the playoffs spot, but I pick THIS ONE.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I understand it’s more than one play but I used it as a demonstrative example as to why you can’t afford to give up big plays on ST

  8. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Albert Wilson seems to get lost in the mix at WR because he opted out last year and had the hip injury two years ago. But before the injury he was making explosive plays in 2018 and he started to play well down the stretch in 2019. All of that regardless of what David says about him. 😉

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      2018 is a long time ago in football years

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He was healthy and playing in the 2nd half in 2019. He opted out in 2020. So he’s now a few years removed from his hip injury. We’ll see what happens but if he looks good in OTAs he could very well be part of the team in 2021.

  9. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    They OFFICIALLY added the 18th game to the schedule this year. Our opponent for the 18th added game will be NYG.

  10. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

  11. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    How crazy is it that 5 QBs could go before we pick?
    Probably ends up it is 3 or 4, but 5 is a legit possibility.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      It would be total stupidity and it shows how over valued the position has become. This is not the 1983 draft class relived. With the exception of Lawrence these guys are good but not great prospects

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Pretty much guaranteed the first 3 are QBs…. even if the Jets trade out.
        But look at it this way….. the 3 teams behind us are interested in picking up one of the other two. Might be a build for the future moment for us.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        No doubt teams reach for QBs these days.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Agreed.

  12. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 30, 2021 at 10:18 am
    https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit
    —————–
    IF any of this is true, Deshaun may be ‘canceled’ (I hate ‘cancel culture’) from the NFL… forget about the lawsuits. No franchise would want him to be their ‘face of their franchise’ if this is true. What’s more, again IF true, he’s a disgusting human being.

    Conversely, if this is all just a witch-hunt concocted to get back at Deshaun for something, this is appalling.

    One thing is for sure: we’re not trading for Deshaun, PERIOD. That ship has sailed, like the Suez Canal (props to Son’s joke).

  13. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Say what you will about Justin Fields, but this throw is just… *WOW*!!!

  14. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Just think, we were only 19 massage therapist away from competing this year,

    Damn!

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      We competed last year and we have a lot of draft capital to improve on the 10-6 team.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Vick came back, but guess NFL needs some “settling time” on bad deeds. And what Vick did was horrific. Torture and kill dogs and stanger don’t like.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Agreed but what Watson is accused of is inappropriate behavior towards women and that’s a no no. Men get fired all the time for that and Watson’s value right now is shit because there is too much backlash for a franchise to deal with. I can’t see any team trading for him and the Texans may have to part ways with him too.

  15. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I am feeling triggered…..

  16. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tim and Ken,

    Bah, you humbugs! LOL 😆
    I’m not endorsing the kid by any stretch, and I know what you guys are saying (no pass-rush or coverage)… but it was pretty to me! And I love the way the camera was slowly panning to the left while the ball was in the air: it made the throw look a lot better than it actually was. It was almost like trick-photography, if you will. Loved it!

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I just don’t get excited about these types of workouts. It’s not even touch football. LOL

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Same here. It’s obviously very choreographed and controlled, so as not to show flaws. But that throw and the camera panning it was SWEET to me! Nothing more than that. 🙂

  17. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    That’s a helluva throw, and so much nicer, than the one Wilson threw, that was raved about

  18. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  19. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Ken says:
    March 30, 2021 at 2:53 pm
    The punt return in the KC game is the difference between us being in the playoffs and not. You can’t have afford to have breakdowns like that on ST and 2 of them is 2 too many

    This is pure U75 logic. You can’t take one play out of a game and say, if it didn’t happen we would’ve won. Especially true in this game, because KC had the ball at the end and likely would’ve scored if they needed to.

    If the play is at the end of the game it’s a different story

  20. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I stopped after 3 rounds because the simulator I used didn’t give us a 4th round pick.
    R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama

  21. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    156, 231, and 258 added to what you have above.

    The 4th was traded to Philly for 156 as part of the move down to 6

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      We swapped our 4th for a fifth of theirs, but read somewhere the number of spots wasn’t much. Think was in the single digits.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Oh okay, I read that trade wrong. So we have a 5th and two 7th rounders?

      No biggie, the first three rounds is where our value is.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Lol, I think 4 different people have tried to tell you this since the trade happened

  22. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Okay, here’s my full mock. It’s most awesome. LOL
    6: R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    18: R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    81: R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama
    156: R5 P12 WR Marquez Stevenson – Houston
    231: R7 P3 C Jimmy Morrissey – Pittsburgh
    258: R7 P30 OT Kayode Awosika – Buffalo

  23. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Interesting…

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Dammit, Bucky… now you’ve got me thinking about my OG gameplan: we’ve got to beat the Stealers* to Najee Harris!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Why? I like Najee a lot but why is he the key for us even when you don’t feel he’s good enough to go at #18?

        Based on his skill set I’m still not sure why he’s looked at as late 1st/early 2nd. His receiving skills should set him apart and make him a top 15 pick but he doesn’t seem to be viewed that way and I’m curious about why. Is this draft that deep overall?

        Javonte Williams looks like a physical NFL back who is going to be a top rusher for years to come. Him and Brown as the physical guys, Gaskin and Ahmed as the more quick twitch elusive backs. That’s a nice backfield.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      I took from that no RB for us at #18 and if take one in the 2nd will be the runt of the top RB litter. Same time RBs are like WRs….. the top projected ones seem to drop every year.

  24. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 30, 2021 at 3:56 pm
    I stopped after 3 rounds because the simulator I used didn’t give us a 4th round pick.
    R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama
    _______________________________________________

    Don’t worry Tim, i fixed it.

    R1 P6 Jamar Chase WR LSU 6’1″ 200
    R1 P18 Kwity Paye EDGE MICH 6’4″ 277
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 Andre Cisco S SYC 6’0″ 213
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama

  25. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Once that first RB comes off the board, there’s going to be a run on the top-4. Know why? They all can run routes, catch, and run like WRs. It’s like acquiring a WR2, as either DJ or Bucky said in the video I posted above.

    Either be ahead of the curve and get your pick of the litter, or better be ready to trade up (we have the ammo) after the first one goes off the board.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Remember, the positions we’re focused on are not the positions all the other teams are focused on. We do this every year. Some teams are all about QB, OL, DT, DB etc. There always seems to be a run on corners though. Usually between the 2nd and 4th round.

  26. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 30, 2021 at 4:53 pm
    Why? I like Najee a lot but why is he the key for us even when you don’t feel he’s good enough to go at #18?…
    ————
    It’s not so much about Najee (as you know, I have Najee and Javonte graded equally), it’s about having our pick of the litter, so as not to be behind a run on RBs… and Bucky seems to think the Stealers* (which was my OG thought from many months ago) will trigger the run on RBs.

    I dunno, man… I suppose I should be aboard taking a RB @ R1P18… but it just seems to early to me. I mean, look at Clyde Edwards-Helaire. He can do it ALL, an SEC RB out of LSU, and he became a luxury pick for the Chiefs last year @ R1P32.

    But ya just never know when the run on RBs will begin. Our franchise has been terrible as of late (perhaps… over the last 3 decades) on drafting a franchise RB.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      *too

      Part of me says YES, get our pick of the litter @ R1P18… another part says, “Woah, Simba!”… we might get our pick of the litter @ R2P4.

      It’s very difficult to gauge.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It’s all about what are we looking to do and which prospects help us accomplish that? I don’t see this draft with a lot of elite, more solid and deep.

      I think Flores wants to be a top defensive team, control the clock on offense with a strong ground attack, and give the playmakers a chance to make big plays to score points. Oh yeah and be solid on STs.

      A play-action, RPO passing game with Tua. That’s what he does well – bootlegs and waggles and throwing on the move. A strong ground attack opens that all up.

  27. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    M13, you want a franchise RB but at the same time taking one too early bothers you. I tried to address that with my reply above.

  28. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    He reminds me of Mark Duper.

  29. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.
    ——————
    THAT is where I’m at, too, Stanger! Keep in mind, we have the capital to trade back up into the mid-late 1st to get our RB, too, if we so wish.

    My model for months has been to trade back up with the Titans @ R1P22, to get ahead of the Stealers* for first dibs on the RB of our choice.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      You’re sending out contradicting posts, if you have Najee and Javonte as 1 and 1a, why do you want the first one?

  30. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.

    I said this yesterday. We could trade down at #18, get some more picks and target Javonte Williams. Late 1st round or early 2nd.

  31. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Based on the buzz and vibe it sounds like the 49ers really like Mac Jones. Did they trade up for him?

  32. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.
    ———–
    3rd time is a charm, lol

  33. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    If SF takes Jones that leaves Lance and Fields on the board. Pretty good bet Atlanta takes one of them. That leaves Detroit, Carolina, and Denver potentially wanting that last one. I can see another Miami trade back happening.

  34. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    We’re only getting a 3rd to drop down to 8 or 9, so I’d rather take Pitts, if he’s there, if not trade away

  35. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Mac Stiff Jones, Druckenmiller 2.0

  36. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Okay I see what you’re all saying. My point was we have the extra 1st from SF in 2023, not 2022. We traded our 1st (MIA) in 2022 to the Eagles and kept the 1st (SF) in 2022. Is that really significant?

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      It could be

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Both teams expect to be at least 11-5 in 2021. The 49ers have a good roster and I hope we do as well after this draft. The 49ers are not some chump change team.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        They only won 6 in 2020, admittedly they had a down year, and are only 2 years removed from the SB, so I get your point.

        Piggy’s point (agree or not) was that pick might look a lot nicer if they select Mac Jones, especially if they trade Jimmy G and throw Jones into the fire.

        I don’t think the Niners win 11 next year either way, but we could, so personally I’m glad we traded our pick instead of the Niner pick.

  37. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    IDK why y’all are talking about which QB goes to which team. We’re up @ R1P6. Could we trade down from there? Perhaps, we’ll see. I don’t know why we would, when we could have sat @ R1P12, retaining the 2022 1st round pick we’d acquired from the 49ers.

    The genius of the trades? We’re in position to get the guy we WANT @ R1P6… not the guy that may fall down to us with yet another trade down. Ponder this. NOT saying we may not trade down yet again, just saying it’s highly unlikely, IMO.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      The difference between R1P6 and R1P12? We wanted it so badly that we gave up a 2022 1st round draft pick.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That’s not how the trade went down. We never had the 2022 SF 1st rounder other than giving it to the Eagles through a three-team trade. SF shared the wealth. You’re not looking at it from that perspective.

        The 49ers wanted #3.
        The Dolphins wanted #6.
        The Eagles wanted more draft capital.

        They all won if their strategies pan out. LOL

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      The rumor was we went to 6 to block NE from dropping there and getting a QB, by us being at 6 we control who to trade to

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      We traded back up to #6 because we knew the top three was going to be QB and we’re cool taking any of the next three prospects. So get some more draft capital and move back three spots. A 2022 3rd (SF) and a 2023 1st (SF). Oh the horror!!! LOL

      We still have two 1st, two 2nd and a 3rd this year right? Next year is a more normal draft with another 3rd. Oh know!!! LOL

  38. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    There’s another mock with Kwity to us at 18, no how no way. Why do that, when you just got rid of a better version of him in Lawson?

    We’re going with an OLB at 18, the smaller do everything type, not the big stiff DE

  39. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Is SF WFT 2.0 after trading 3 1sts for RG3.

    I hope they bust the same.

    SF is 25-1 to win SB we’re 33-1. I like our chance to win better

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Brian Baldinger has it right. The 49ers need to pay other players and Jimmy G is making too much. They want the rookie QB contract and a complete team. They think they can win without Jimmy G. After the draft when they take a QB, he gets traded.

  40. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I really don’t care what the 49ers do at QB. But who do you think they’ll select at #3?

    Do you think the Jets go QB and who? Or trade back with who for who? I think we could see this sort of thing in the top 10 this year. We already started it with the 49ers/Eagles trade.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Wilson at 2, but I’m not buying Mac Jones at 3, no way no how.

      They could’ve made the trade we did with Philly and still gotten him, so why pay the extra first?

      Only thing that makes sense is Fields at 3.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        The 49ers already know they’re good with two of the QBs who will be available after Lawrence. Just like we feel about being at #6.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Yeah, but if they’re good with 2 does that mean they aren’t good with any 🤔

  41. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Atlanta isn’t going QB, they should take Surtain, but I’m afraid it’s going to be Pitts, and if they don’t Cincinnati will

  42. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Rumor has it Miami is shopping Devante parker, what does that tell you? WR @ 6?

    Jadavein Clowny seems to still be an option for miami

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      That’s from Peter King, not the Fins, but something is weird with Parker’s contract, it says he has almost 16m in dead money, if traded, but then it says we’ll save negative 3,737,500 if cut or traded pre June 1st, and a cash payout this year of 8.35m, so if traded his new team would pay the 8.35m we’d be on the hook for the 3.3735m, then there’s 5.4m from his bonus already paid due against the cap the next 2 years.

      The numbers don’t exactly add up, but looks like 8.7735m would count against our cap, and still too much of a cost.

      Don’t think we’re trading Parker to then try to find 9m to make it happen, and to accomplish what exactly?

      His cap hits the next 2 years, 2022 and 2023 are around 9m

  43. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    The 49ers could keep Jimmy G this season and then if he signs a big contract somewhere else, get a nice compensatory pick for him. I’m not sure any team is going to start throwing out 1st RD picks for Jimmy G now, but if he has a nice season, he might get a nice contract offer next season and get a chance somewhere else.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Garo Polo has 2 years left on his contract, with only 2.8m in dead money, s he could be traded with little hit on their 19m over cap.

      I don’t see a trade, because they believe they have a good team, lots of injuries last year.

      Don’t remember ever seeing a team with SB aspirations trading away a proven QB to go with a rookie starter

  44. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

  45. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rob – I’d bet you probably salivated over Carson Wentz because he’s a big QB with a big arm. How’s he held up so far?

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      Dwayne Haskins

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      What does a QB with a big arm, that’s been less than stellar have to do with Tua, besides they’ve both been less than stellar?

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        A ton of difference. Tua was a rookie in rehab and thrown in to the fire with little preparation in comparison. Give the guy a season. Geez, loueez.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        SMH, Mike is busting Orob’s balls, with a post that seems to have little to do with anything Orob said, so I’m busting Mike’s balls, then you respond with something of…I give up

  46. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Dude, you can defend the other pea in your pod. It’s ok.

    I will type it slower for you…..judging Tua on last season as a predictor of a successful career based on his height, arm strength, and throwing motion with his background of rehab, lack of preseason, and inexperience speaks volumes to Orob’s criticism/critique of Tua, i.e. meaningless.

    First, it’s premature. I doubt his success or failure will have anything to do with any of the traits mentioned above. The point, I thought Mike E. was making, was that Orob thinks we need a QB with a bigger arm and better mechanics to be successful. I got it. No OL, no WRs, and RB are the perfect tools a half-season rookie QB should be judged.

    He could be right, but I don’t think Bigger is always better….arm or size. It’s performance.

    Which is my point, give the guy a break and let’s see if he performs this year.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Ok Sherlock, we all know that, like I said, Mike was busting balls and you get all serious.

      Maybe I should splain for you, that busting balls is rhetorical, hence SMH

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      What was that…25-ish words per minute typing speed?

  47. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Ja’Marr Chase turns in impressive performance at LSU Pro Day

    Chase recorded a 4.38-second 40-yard dash, a 41-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot broad jump.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Cincinnati bound or do they really want Penei?

      These 40 times at pro days aren’t real, but each staff has someone timing them, so they know the real time.

      Hoping Penei goes before us, and Atlanta goes Surtain, giving us our choice of the 4 WRs (Pitts)

  48. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    Prelim,

    You beat me to the punch. Do we have a happy Piggy floating around here somewhere?

  49. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I told you guys

    Jamarr Chase is the real deal

    His performance on his pro day doesn’t even scratch the surface.
    It’s not just speed an athleticism. It’s also skill, technique and a scrappy attitude.

  50. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    When you squeal about Jamarr Chase for an entire draft season

  51. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    And now Dolphins Twitter has gone full

    Pitts will go 4
    Chase will go 5

    And we will miss them both….

    They instantly go into 💩 mode

  52. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    He’s purposely running that route towards Chris Greir

  53. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Atlanta’s problem is D and an aging QB, but the QB has plenty left, doubt they go QB, but they might trade out

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      If we draft those 1st 3 selections we’ll be a playoff team for sure this year and should win a game there

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        That’s kind of what I want out of our first 3 picks but I’m taking chase before Pitts

        I think One of those two will be on the board

        Micah parsons at 18 seems unlikely, I think Denver drafts him at 9
        But if he gets past Denver at 9….then….

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Denver may go QB

  54. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    We all have our favorites, but man is the #6 spot pretty with the 3 QBs going first. The real question is who wouldn’t you be happy with?

    I’m actually real cool if it is Sewell, but even if he gets taken before means someone else is there. Same goes with whoever is picked at $4 and #5.

  55. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I’d be happy with the 4 receivers, Parsons, Penei, and not happy with anyone else.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think that’s where I stand. I can’t think of another prospect that would go before them.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        But say it is Sewell or Parsons. Either is some serious talent.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        My bad — steve included those. Guess should have gone with say it is Surtain. You’d be figuring some moves are coming.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      steve — and you just put out 6 guys when at most 2 will be gone before we pick. Yeah it would take a shocker for us to go WTF when the card is read.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        6 guys work for me so initially I said move back to 8 or 9, but I’d rather have Pitts, Chase or Parsons, than trade down

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        When it comes to top 3’s….. one of those is guaranteed. My top 3 is different than yours, but same time willing to sit with any of them….. so yeah I’d trade down to #8 or #9 if could. Particularly since the jumping team would be drafting QB.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        I won’t bitch, if we take Penei, but do we really need the best LT? I’d rather have the best wr and above average LT, than best LT and above average wr

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        If we get Sewell he’ll probably be the best value on the board. You and I are both big fans of Pitts. That we have a similar TE hasn’t stopped that. And chances are Flowers is gone after next season….. so a good move towards the future. Hunt has G written all over him.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        We need another playmaker on O or we may be in the same boat next year.

        Fuller, Williams, Hollins and Wilson are all on contracts thru 2021, we won’t sign all 4 next offseason.

        If 2021 wrs are Parker, Fuller, Williams, Wilson, Hollins and a draftee, then we’ll only have 2 under contract for 2022, not good GMing

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        If we pick at #8 or #9 chances are Sewell is gone. And chances are either Smith or Waddle will be.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        If we pick at 8 or 9, 4 or 5 qbs will be gone, as will 2 or 3 of Sewell, Chase, and Pitts.

        That’s 7 or 8 guys leaving Smith, Waddle and Parsons.

        Still might be possible to get Pitts or Chase at 8

  56. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    On O we don’t need anything, but likely will upgrade wr or te, rb, c.

    On D we need either, but will likely add an Edge or olb, s.

    This is my guess on the positions in no particular order for our top 5 picks.

    If you’re going to bet on us to win/make SB best do it before the draft

  57. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

  58. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:
  59. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    If you thought the combine was the Underwear Olympics, what do you think pro days are?

    At least at the combine everything isn’t scripted to fit the player and the times are done by 1 person.

    In a few years we’re going to hear of teams that fell in love with players, based on pro days, that went bust.

    If you didn’t love him before his pro day…she’s one in a million, she’s a bueaty, BUT DON’T FALL IN LOVE

  60. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    SI is reporting that the bengals will be breaking my heart

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Chase is a legit top pick so I’d be surprised if the Bengals passed on him with Burrow as their QB. But what will ATL do?

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Who knows

        But at 6 you have a handful of players that might be available at 6, who won’t be there at 12

        Specifically Chase and Pitts come to mind

        But even Smith and Waddle might go in the top 11

        If the Dolphins want a playmaker, they put themselves in position to get one

        So it’s a bad idea for fans to play favorites between all those guys, bc they are all pretty good and we can control what happens at 5 and 6

        with the exception of Porkind- I already have a favorite and YOU CANT BREAK ME!

        🐖💨

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Jackson can say the Phins won’t draft an LT (no matter how good)….. but how can he say the Bengals won’t?

      • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

        He really isn’t, he is saying SI is saying that the Eagles expect that to happen, he is just going along with that.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        “as SI. com reported the Eagles expect the Bengals to do”

        You got me on that one Bookman. Jackson is just speculating…. but aren’t we all? Still say we could take Sewell though…. that’s right in the face face of his comment.

  61. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I’m open to whoever we draft at #6. I just want that player to be a difference maker.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      If we don’t draft Jamarr Chase I’m going to burn all my Dolphins jerseys!!!

      (Everyone should actually be happy if I do that)

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        what’s the big deal about drafting Chase? can he throw it to himself and catch it? cause that’s the only way he will get the ball

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        He’s going to make everything easier for Tua

        A reliable target makes a big difference in the development of any QB

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        how does that work considering Tua can’t throw the ball downfield?
        chase doesn’t seem to be a ck down guy

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        ORob, do you get off on turning every conversation into your dislike of Tua?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        no i don’t tim, i’m actually saddened by the subject, and i don’t dis like tua, i just think he sucks as a qb. it will take a while to get past this guy, meanwhile this team will suffer, as they did last year.
        in a playoff race you put the best man in for the job, tua was not the best man for that job, fitz was

  62. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i’m not sure what talented wrs has to do with a qb who can’t get rid of the ball if he stays in the pocket for any length of time.
    he holds the ball not because the recs are covered but because he can’t throw over the top of the guys in front of him.
    all the talent in the world can’t correct that.

    it’s just Tuaexcuses, he needs more talent, he was injured, he didn’t have an offseason, all a bunch of bs

    he can’t suck, after all we took him with the 5th over all pick

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      You’re a bunch of BS. Your the guy who shows up at a BBQ and says the same thing every time where people make sure to avoid you. LOL

      Give it a rest man!

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        i’ll say what i please, i’m talking about football, why would you want to turn this personal, just ignore my bs ass hole

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        You know you do this purposely. You accused anyone who supports Tua of making a bunch of BS excuses so I threw it back at you. Now you’re personally insulted? Oh okay! LOL

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        Tim Knight says:
        March 31, 2021 at 4:44 pm
        You’re a bunch of BS.
        _____________________________
        you’re wrong, never do i initiate lame statements like the one above, you’re taking my opinion of football matters personal and in turn attacking me.
        how would that work if everyone did that? “gee i don’t think your mock is correct, what a scum bag you are”.
        low class shit,
        it’s a shame this has to be pointed out to you.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        It was a joke when I said that because you said to me about my mock draft, don’t worry I fixed it. I didn’t realize you were so sensitive.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        i’m not sensitive. no big deal, get over it.

  63. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    A tip for those who haven’t gotten the shot ye t.
    ————————–
    As soon as Ohio opened up its coronavirus vaccine eligibility to residents over 70, Jennifer Salzano threw herself into finding an appointment for her mom, who’s 72 and has heart disease and diabetes. For the next few days, Salzano was hunched over her phone, scouring dozens of Kroger, CVS, and Walgreens sites for any appointment near her mom’s home in Columbus..

    The result was always the same: no availability. “I was kind of like, this is never going to happen.”

    Her dad suggested she might have better luck if she looked in the parts of Ohio where denial about COVID’s risks was high—and demand for vaccines was low.

    “So I just googled ‘Trump landslides in Ohio,’” then I looked at the nearest county and the biggest city in that county, and I found an appointment. The whole thing took me three minutes.”

  64. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    there’s a difference in “making a bunch of lame excuses” vs “You’re a bunch of BS.”

    you’re just too ignorant to know the difference

  65. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Today on the Watson front. Man does the dude like his massages.
    —————————
    Watson’s team, led by Rusty Hardin, issued a news release with on-the-record statements from 18 women who say they have previously had massage sessions with Watson and he never acted inappropriately.

  66. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    don’t worry I fixed it. vs “You’re a bunch of BS.”

    nope, i don’t get the joke?

    over my head

  67. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Watson is a moot point due to his salary and the fact he may go on the exempt list.
    he hits your cap without being able to play.

  68. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    if you had the cap space you may want to give him a shot if the comp was right, maybe a 2nd rnder, he hits the cap at 10m this year, next year the cap may rise and he gets 22m next year, who knows how long this will play out?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      That’s pretty much the point. His anticipated trade value was 3 or 4 first round picks before. Those days are over. In the new era would I give up #18 for him?…. heck yeah I would. Wouldn’t care if he sat for a year.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        If the accusations are real he’ll be sitting for more than a year. And why would you invest a 1st rd pick for him if he had to sit for a year? When did Watson become the key to a Super Bowl that he has never been in? He’s a very good QB but let’s calm down a bit.

        Do you think trading for Watson and having him sit for a year is good for the franchise? So who plays QB this year?

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I’d take him for #18 right now simple as that. And however long he is suspended means without pay, whoever has him on their roster.

        Said would take him for #18…. would you take him for a 7th round pick? Clearly a top-5 QB has some value.

        And yeah think he is worth it even if sits a year. Once he is off suspension you can just trade him if Tua blows it up.

  69. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    What price do you put on the value of the culture you are establishing here? Why in the world attract the circus that comes with Watson? Flores and Grier have done a great job on building back a positive reputation and culture, screw bringing in this idiot at ANY cost.

  70. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, agree to disagree I wouldn’t touch Watson. He’s a TMZ story the entire time and how does that rally a team? That’s toxic stuff.

    • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

      Yes, kind of what I was trying to say, agreed

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I saw your reply after I posted. We see it the same way. Watson is the opposite of what we’re trying to build here. No drama. Tua is the type of guy we should build around.

      • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

        Yes, exactly, I really don’t care about any “bargain” we might get.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Can completely get where you and Tim are coming from. Maybe my moral code just isn’t as strong. Think would feel like you guys if we were talking about rape.

      • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

        If any of these are true, he is a creep and a loser, imho, regardless of any “crime” being committed. Additionally I would not want him in my organization because of the negative publicity and culture affect.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      We ain’t touching Watson

  71. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    I don’t care much about Watson, but how many damn massage therapists does one man need? This dumb ass had dozens. Why? That alone seems kinda weird.

  72. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Got my 2nd dose of the vaccine today. Doing okay but feeling pretty tired

  73. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, the accusations being made about Watson tells me he’s on the border line of rape. Not saying violent and murder, but not knowing when to stop. Maybe he starts using sedatives like Bill Cosby. This type of behavior is dangerous stuff.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Tim — have no idea what is in Watson’s mind, but will trust you on that. You know a lot more.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I don’t know him at all, but where there is smoke there is fire. We sometimes wait too long when the red flags are there and do nothing. That’s how mass shootings happen. Nobody speaks up when the warning signs are there.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        I agree, that’s how mass shootings happen. One situation is mental and 50% of the other is half mental

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        TIm — I thought it was about aggressive asks for rub n’ tugs, but you clearly have a more clear view of what is going on with Watson. Would hate for a mass shooting to happen in Davie.

  74. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Ken,
    I had maderna. I didn’t get sick until a day and a half later. It only lasted about a day though. Chills, fever, nausea, massive headache and fatigue.

  75. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    A lot of times we hear stuff like, you’re a star QB or celebrity or whatever, you can fuck anyone you want. The problem with that is, that’s not what turns some people on who aren’t wired right.

    Darren Sharper and Kellen Winslow II as two examples.

  76. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    This looks like a coordinated effort by his camp to squash the accusers.
    —————————————–
    No, they just found all the ones who are accustomed to giving happy endings….

  77. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Watched tape on Fuller, and time after time he’s wide open deep, but many of the passes were short, still completed, but still short.

    Watson’s arm is worse than Tua’s, by far, but his legs are much better

  78. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Vikings are on the clock at 14, Parsons is still available. Do you move ahead of the cheats and take him?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That’s the thing, we can always trade up or down. We’ve got the draft capital to target talent. We seem to have a good relationship with the Eagles. Would I be surprised if we traded up to #12? Nope!

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      If you can go from 18 to 14 for a 3rd rounder yes

      But you still got a couple other target areas with those 2nd rounders

  79. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    The Vikings need OL help badly. The scuttlebutt up here is they go OL unless the HC steps in and goes DB…the position he loves. I’d guess they go OL unless there’s just no value there.

  80. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’ve got a proposal… why not get the best of both worlds this year? Now follow me… we get the best Offensive player we can get @ R1P6 (whether it be Pitts, Chase, DaVonta, or Waddle), then… trade back up from R1P18 to get the potential faller in Micah Parsons (better beat the Patsies* to him @ R1P15, from what I’ve been seeing/hearing).

    Let’s take it another step further, as some of you have recently proposed… we could potentially trade down just a couple/few spots from R1P6 to a QB-needy team, garner another pick(s), still get either of Chase, DaVonta, Pitts, or Waddle (who ever is still on the board), and again, trade back up from R1P18 to get Parsons… now with even MORE ammo to make it happen, and perhaps without sacrificing our R2P4 in the trade-up process.

    Best of both worlds, see.

    But what if we need to trade R2P4 to make it happen… what about a RB? Trade a mid-rounder to Seattle for Rashaad Penny (he’s rumored to be on the trading block), who can share the grinding/thunder role with Malcolm Brown if necessary. Regardless, hopefully we won’t have to part ways with our R2P4. To me, Penny would be the fallback option in the event we lose our R2P4 in order to trade back up from R1P18 to nab Parsons.

    Of course, this all comes back to Steve Ross signing off on Parsons what with the bully allegations.

    Thoughts? Can you imagine coming away with arguably the best Offensive weapon in this Draft (Pitts… or any of the other top WRs) AND arguably the best Defensive weapon in this Draft (Parsons)? If the price is right, I’d DO IT!

  81. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 31, 2021 at 6:53 pm
    Vikings are on the clock at 14, Parsons is still available. Do you move ahead of the cheats and take him?
    —————
    Well didn’t YOU just take the wind out of sails above! LOL! Great minds! I starting typing my thoughts about it before I saw your 6:53 PM post, Brother! NICE!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      I like the move back to 8 or 9, then use that pick to move up to get Parsons, but can’t be sure he’ll be there.

      200 pts 18-14, so maybe we don’t have to drop to 8 or 9, give up our 185pt 3rd and something else mabe our 27 pt 5th

  82. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Chase looks like a natural slant WR. Would be good for Tua

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Absolutely agreed. To be honest, any of Pitts, Chase, DeVonta, or Waddle would be great for Tua.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Agreed with you both. If we want playmakers on offense that’s the top lot. If we draft Waddle I would not be surprised if we trade Grant.

  83. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Can someone tell me why Kwity is considered a 1st rounder?

    I don’t want him at 153

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I saw a mock scroll by that has us taking him at #18. Other than that I haven’t heard much about him as a top prospect.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Lance Zierlein, who I greatly respect in many ways (just not necessarily on his Draft analysis) had us taking Kwity Paye @ R1P18 today, in his latest mock draft.

      NO WAY.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Okay it’s his mock along with DJ and Bucky. It’s cool they all have some differences. But sometimes it seems someone wants to go way out of their way to create some craziness. LOL

  84. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Kwity Paye is such a tweener, and not in a good way. He’s a team-specific player… somebody who employs a 4-3 D that needs a ‘potential'(?) edge-threat, who can also play on the interior… much like Jared Odrick.

    I certainly wouldn’t quantify him as an EDGE player in this day and age. It’s not that Paye sucks, because he doesn’t… he’s just not a modern day EDGE. He’s caught between a DT and 4-3 containment DE.

    I grade him as a 2nd rounder to a scheme-specific team.

  85. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Buffalo 4 Flyers 1

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      They are falling apart as a team. Not sure why. They are horrible in their own end. They can’t clear the puck and allow teams to forecheck and cycle.

  86. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’m thinking there are at least two other highly-touted prospects from Michigan’s DF7 in recent years that I didn’t care for. Yes, Taco was one.

  87. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    29 days

  88. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Rashan Gary

  89. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    695 hours

  90. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    41,686 minutes

  91. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    34 days…

  92. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    With Joe Burrow in Cincy, I think they may draft Chase before he gets to us.

  93. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    everytime i try that simulator chase goes to cincy, we get pitts

  94. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Steve – My point was size don’t mean shit when it comes to injuries. Joe Burrow is 6’3 221 and he tore his ACL. Tua is probably about the same weight as Burrow now or maybe even heavier but 3″ shorter. Tua is built more like Russell Wilson. Tua’s story is far from over, it’s barely started and I think we’re going to see a much better QB this season.

  95. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

  96. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    ORob

    You are doing wrong. I get chase every time

    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 EDGE Joseph Ossai – Texas
    50: R2 P18 RB Najee Harris – Alabama
    81: R3 P17 WR Tylan Wallace – Oklahoma State
    156: R5 P12 DL Bobby Brown III – Texas A&M
    231: R7 P3 C Trey Hill – Georgia
    258: R7 P30 S Tre Norwood – Oklahoma

  97. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Tried different ranking and still got chase and parsons

    TEAM PICKS

    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama
    81: R3 P17 DL Alim McNeil – North Carolina State
    156: R5 P12 EDGE Patrick Jones II – Pittsburgh
    231: R7 P3 DL TeDarrell Slaton – Florida
    258: R7 P30 S Richard LeCounte III – Georgia

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