ROUND 1 – Disappointing . . .

Sorry Dolphins fan, we tried to look awful smart with pre draft maneuvering, making two synchronized trades with the 49ers to move out of #3 and move back to #12, and then the trade with the Eagles to get back up to #6. Did we get the best TE? Nope! Did we get the best WR? Nope! Jaylen Waddle is a good player, but the moves that we made don’t add up to the player we selected. We may have been able to get Waddle at #12. He will help our offense and be the player we hoped Tedd Ginn Jr. was for us. A dynamic return man and a a guy who will take quick hitters and turn them into big plays. He can be like Albert Wilson was for us in 2018 before he got injured. We can go back and forth about where Waddle would have been taken, but being at #6 and ending up with Waddle is deflating. Sorry, it just is. Grier and Flores get no pass.

With pick #18, I’m telling you guys, I knew we were taking Phillips. In our Mock Draft I picked Phillips because I felt he was the player we want here for our defense. I said it again last night. Although I was right, it didn’t make it any easier because I really wanted Najee Harris. We need an upgrade at RB, and if we somehow don’t end up with Javonte Williams, we will have failed again. I feel like we can have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds in every draft and still find a way to fuck it up. Quality over quantity. Right now I feel like we’re just getting quantity.

In our offense, Jaylen Waddle will be featured often. Tua Tagovailoa likes to get rid of the bill quickly and Waddle will be like Julian Edelman was to Tom Brady. He will help our offense. He will upgrade our return game because although Grant is electric, he’s so questionable about actually fielding punts and kick returns. His hands are suspect. Waddle is much more sure handed. I just don’t see a generational talent in him, and 2 guys went before him that definitely might be, Kyle Pitts and Ja’Marr Chase. We were at #3 and could have had either. This is my qualm. Everyone wants more picks, not me, I want great players, and I’m not sure we got ANY last night. We could have, we didn’t!

Jaelan Phillips is a Flores type player. He knows what he’s doing out there. When Grier took Charles Harris because he had a quick step, he did, but he had nothing after that. Phillips is the opposite. He’s a technician with a bevy of pass rush moves and he’s athletic enough to back that up. He’s fast, and he’s strong, and he’s very athletic. 6’5 260 and ran a 4.56 40, 36″ vertical, 10.5 foot broad jump, 4.12 20 yard shuttle, and 21 reps of 225 at his pro day. His Junior season and last season in Miami, he posted 8 sacks and 15.5 TFL in a shortened season. He’s the real deal, and we need the pass rush help, but we lost out on RB Najee Harris.

We got good players, players that will help our team be better next season, but we had a chance at elite. Pitts or Chase could be elite. When all is said and done, Waddle and Phillips might have very good careers, but Pitts and Chase could be HOFers. Time will tell. I try to be fair, I don’t want to be a rah-rah pom pom waving writer. I want to say it like I feel it, so I did. Go get Javonte Williams. IDGAF if we have to trade to pick #33, get him, because we need him!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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1,438 Responses to ROUND 1 – Disappointing . . .

  1. Rhino says:

    BBM, the Stevie Scott III vid was very intriguing! Good feet for such a big guy. We tried a big guy with Ballage, but this guy actually has moves to find the hole (not just north-south like Ballage).

    • steveccnv says:

      Someone did a breakdown on Ballage a couple of years ago it showed just how bad he was at reading the hole. Without good vision you can’t be a great back

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    I’ve mentioned it before but Stevie Scott is one of my closest friend’s nephew so I would be excited if we pick him but just keep in mind he had a much better 2019 than 2020, sort of like Chuba Howard

    • Rhino says:

      hmmm… comp tickets could be your motivation here. lol Only person I’ve ever had any connection to was RB Larry Schreiber (49ers 1971-1975)… 2nd cousin. Lots of 49er fans in our family for that reason. I was already a Miami die-hard by that time so for me it was “whatever”. lol

  3. David Collins says:

    The Miami Dolphins were unable to get Ja’Marr Chase at No. 6, but the Dolphins still found a wide receiver very familiar with franchise quarterback Tua Tagovailoa. The only decision Miami had to make was choosing between Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith.

    The Dolphins went with Waddle in a surprising move when the selection was made. Getting Waddle at No. 6 made plenty of sense to the Dolphins, who passed on a Heisman Trophy winner to get a similar game-breaking talent.

    “Just as we went through it, it’s the explosiveness that Waddle gives you as well as the return game,” Grier said in a conference call with reporters. “And for us, just that dynamic trait … but for us, it was getting to know the kid and we were really, really happy and knowing how competitive and tough (he is).

    “They’re both really good players. DeVonta is going to be a really good player in this league. For us, it was the explosive playmaking ability and the return ability for us that we really liked. At the end of the day, they’re both really good players and really good kids and very competitive.”

    CBS News

  4. David Collins says:

    when i saw this punt return from Waddle about a month ago, i figured the Fins would want this guy

    he is more than just an awesome WR, hes a top notch return man

    whats not to like?

  5. David Collins says:

    this kickoff return to the house, may have caught their attention also

  6. The Flying Pig says:

    He didn’t do much with the chiefs last year, but just remember Leveon Bell is still a free agent

  7. bailbondmike says:

    My pro’s and con’s with Stevie Scott.

    Pro’s – He is awesome in short yardage. If there is no hole he will make one. His power shows up on tape. He is also decent in pass pro.
    Con – Only one for me is he seems to go down easy for a big guy when he gets to the second level but when in a phone booth he is a bull.

    With that said, he would fit that big short yardage back and late game bell cow we need.

  8. David Collins says:

    if the Fins want to do some damage in the playoffs, it will likely include some mid winter northern games, we need players that can excel in all weather conditions, from extreme heat and humidity or thunderstorms in Miami, or blizzards in Buffalo in early January

  9. bailbondmike says:

    LT loves Carter, MJD loves Patterson
    ——————
    I like Carter also but will be gone before we pick. I like Patterson. He is a tough little dude. Kind of built like MJD but he is not a pass catcher. He didn’t catch one pass in 2020. Doesn’t mean he can’t but thought that was strange since he was their feature back.

  10. David Collins says:

    Last seasons game in Buffalo was a disaster in every way imaginable, and in some ways beyond the imagination, lol and smh
    we all know We had a better team than that, but they let the weather effect their game, and the Bills played right into it.

    we have to learn how to play better in frigid conditions, we cant look like Miami tourists with dollar store hawaiian shirts on surfboards

  11. The Flying Pig says:

    Jevon Holland is Minkah Fitzpatrick without the fuckface

    Prove me wrong

  12. bailbondmike says:

    OK here we go. My pointless wish list.

    #156 OC Trey Hill, UGA
    #231 RB Stevie Scott III, IU (would also take Pooka is he falls here)
    #244 Edge/DE Tarron Jackson, Coastal Carolina

  13. bailbondmike says:

    Here’s little Pooka:

  14. The Flying Pig says:

    So much for Michael Carter

  15. The Flying Pig says:

    That dude almost called it the 2009th pick

    What round is it – round 32

  16. New Age says:

    I hate the Jets getting Carter. He’s an explosive dude

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m not worried

      Their roster still needs a lot of work

      And their new QB looks like Justin Bieber before puberty

      • New Age says:

        I think we abuse that guy for at least the next 4 years.

      • New Age says:

        Girls??!! EWWWW! Why would I like them more than football and my buds? When I get big coach, can I grow a stache?

  17. son of a son of a shula says:

    There goes your boy Piggy

  18. New Age says:

    Detroit having a solid draft. I’m glad for Big Dan.

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    Quincy Roche is still out there

    Wouldn’t mind adding more pass rushers to hit those new QBs in our division who are begging to get punched in the face

  20. son of a son of a shula says:

    I feel us trading into the fourth to get a player none of us have heard of at a position we have no idea why

  21. The Flying Pig says:

    “Hey man, if you don’t want those cookies I will trade you my milk for it?”

  22. bailbondmike says:

    I see all these teams having a great draft (in my mind) and, after our last TE pick, I can’t get this meh taste out of my mouth. lol

    • The Flying Pig says:

      We are getting a lot of positive feedback about that pick fro “experts”

      If we didn’t follow the team religiously we might be thinking “wow the Dolphins just got TE with the most catches in the NCAA last year in the 3rd round”

  23. son of a son of a shula says:

    First NFL player to represent gummi bears

  24. The Flying Pig says:

    “Yeah Mommy it’s great here with the jests, all my new teammates keep asking to sleepover and meet you”

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    Cowboys helped their defense a lot

  26. bailbondmike says:

    Quincy Roche is still out there
    —————–
    So are these OLB/Edge types
    Chris Rumph II, Duke
    Hamilcar Rashed Jr., Oregon State
    Jordan Smith, UAB
    Charles Snowden, Virginia
    Patrick Johnson, Tulane
    Riley Cole, South Alabama

  27. son of a son of a shula says:

    Would you 👉👌 Dawn Aponte?

  28. bailbondmike says:

    There goes a RB I never heard of.

  29. bailbondmike says:

    Big run on OLB/Edge right now. There goes Jordan.

  30. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t really want to force a RB or an OC now

    I really think they should just go BPA in the 5th
    Try to get a player who can make an impact

    If you find a gem in the 5th to add to our picks yesterday I think you’ve added a lot of talent

    Waddle, Phillips, Eichenberg and Holland might all be names we hear a lot about in 2021 – those players can make an impact as rookies, if you can add a player in the 5th who can make an impact next year, that’s a heck of a draft

  31. bailbondmike says:

    There goes the mack truck RB Stevenson

  32. naplesfan2010 says:

    Wasn’t our new TE coached by Flores ar sr bowl?

  33. son of a son of a shula says:

    Eichenberger is the first ND lineman we drafted since Tim Ruddy

  34. naplesfan2010 says:

    I’d like to get Joshua Kaindoh 6’7 265 for a developmental edge rusher. He was hurt by the mess at FSU. He was a 5 star recruit.

    Ogbah might get old fast.

  35. The Flying Pig says:

    Chuba Howard is gone

  36. naplesfan2010 says:

    These guys are all Flores style players. Eichenberger will punch the same guy 3 times per play or punch one and go pancake another one.

  37. naplesfan2010 says:

    Waddle is fast like Grant but has niftier feet. And waaaaay better hands.

  38. stangerx says:

    *** Jevon Holland can also play cornerback.
    *** Liam Eichenberg didn’t surrender a sack in either of the past two seasons.
    *** Hunter Long can both block and catch like an average TE (we don’t have one of those).

  39. ocalarob says:

    Ken says:
    May 1, 2021 at 10:56 am
    I am getting a Gaskins jersey 😉

    _______________________________________

    Man-up and get a Tua jersey chicken.

  40. Rhino says:

    good for Ian Book.

  41. naplesfan2010 says:

    Holland is a great pick for our defensive scheme.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Him and Jones make us younger, faster and nastier at Safety

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Howard, Byron Jones, Brandon Jones, Holland, Iggy and that doesn’t even include McCain or Rohe

        If we generate pressure those guys are going to feast

  42. stangerx says:

    So it is 3rd and 9 and Phins motion to 3-wide (4-wide if you count the TE off the line). The D is faced with:

    Parker — Waddle on one side and Gesicki — Fuller on the other.

    Who gets doubled, or at least which DB/LB gets safety help? I really don’t know the answer.

  43. Ken says:

    ocalarob says:
    May 1, 2021 at 1:21 pm (Edit)
    Ken says:
    May 1, 2021 at 10:56 am
    I am getting a Gaskins jersey 😉

    _______________________________________

    Man-up and get a Tua jersey chicken.
    ——————
    Who is to say I don’t have one 😉

  44. The Flying Pig says:

    Tulane Wallace went to the Ravens

    They always pick up guys that slide

  45. The Flying Pig says:

    14 picks to go
    Get ready to celebrate!

    🤪

  46. son of a son of a shula says:

    The team owners act like they don’t know what team they’re announcing the pick for. Why you gotta read your teams name, YOUR team.

  47. The Flying Pig says:

    Wonder if they are looking at Felton who was at senior bowl too?

    He’s a RB who lined up at receiver. Good receiving back

  48. Marinofan13 says:

    We’re about to be on the clock. Interested to see what we do.

  49. Rhino says:

    almost time. 2 1/2 hrs until we get a pick today. lol

  50. Marinofan13 says:

    Trade out!

  51. CavalierKong says:

    I know their college stat were similar, but I don’t think Long is in Gesicki’s class as a pass catcher, so I don’t think Gesicki gets traded. Long is a full second slower in his 40 time, and watching game film, he doesn’t play nearly as fast when running routes. (He’s got decent speed for a TE, but he’s not Gesicki fast.)

    This isn’t to say he’s bad, but watch his tape, he doesn’t get a lot of separation, he’s either wide open from poor coverage, or he has a guy draped all over him.

    What he does well is run good routes, he uses his body to shield the defender, and he makes a lot of contested catches. He’s an upgrade to Smythe and Shaheen in the passing game, and I think he’ll pair well with Gesicki on passing downs and spell him or be a good back up to Gesicki if he gets hurt.

    He’s an upgrade to Shaheen as our 2nd or 3rd TE option.

  52. Marinofan13 says:

  53. herdfan says:

    🙄

  54. steveccnv says:

    I guess the team is set

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    If you trade your only pick between rounds 4-6, that means you did what you wanted to I’m the first 3 rounds

    I guess they never had any interest in adding a RB

  56. Marinofan13 says:

    I think the majority of us here wanted to upgrade at RB… we didn’t do it via the Draft. So how about this… I wonder if we’d be willing to sign Todd Gurley to a 1-year ‘prove it’ deal? He’s still out there as a FA.

    • CavalierKong says:

      swear I almost posted this last night. I’m wondering what his physical condition is.

      • CavalierKong says:

        He could be that big back we’re looking for, and we can play RB by committee, not use him as a ‘#1’ back.

      • steveccnv says:

        Geriatric in football years.

        I’d rather sign 60+ yr old Hershal Walker

      • Rhino says:

        almost 1500 touches in his 5 yrs … maybe that’s the expiration work load. lol Maybe for the right price, but not another Jordan Howard deal.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Definitely not a Howard deal. It’d be a show me deal like MF said. And not knowing his physical condition, it may not even be an option. But I’d take a look at him.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Gurley and Bell

      Same idea

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      He’d be a good add at this point

  57. CavalierKong says:

    Steve,

    LOL, palm slap to face. I meant a full 10th of second of course.

    He is not a great blocker, so I don’t see him as a ‘complete TE’. Smythe is still our best blocking TE, and Gesicki improved his blocking last year, so I don’t see him a slot receiver either.

    • steveccnv says:

      Had no idea what you meant, he’s a box out TE and good blocker

    • Capt. Stubbs says:

      I actually thought all of are TEs did well last year. I like the pick just doesn’t feel right

      • steveccnv says:

        It feels great, we got an actual complete TE.

        We had 2 that catch, but can’t block and 1 that can’t catch

  58. steveccnv says:

    Gurley had knee issues at GA, nothing has changed, except time.

    Father time has passed him by

  59. manitobafinfan says:

    Interesting to see UDFA signing positions

  60. steveccnv says:

    So we waited 2 1/2 hours, just to wait another 2 1/2

  61. CavalierKong says:

    Steve,

    Yeah, I don’t get what you’re saying either since you say he doesn’t have great hands and everything I saw him catch that isn’t wide open is a contested pass. And pretty much every analysis says he needs to get better at blocking, lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      To be fair, in regards to blocking I went of draft analysis, not game tape, but watching game tape I think he has really good hands and uses his body well.

      • CavalierKong says:

        *off

      • steveccnv says:

        Watching his game tape he kept dropping catchable passes, 1 was a flat out drop at the 5 going in

        When blocking he wasn’t a monster, but good enough for a TE

        He’s a basketball TE, goes 8 yards down the field and turns around and does that well, on the move he loses concentration and drops passes

        Maybe he has good hands and his problem is concentration

      • CavalierKong says:

        Steve, I saw a couple of dropped balls, didn’t see it keep happening to think it was an issue, and the number of contested passes I saw caught trumped the couple of dropped balls I saw in my estimation. Agree about the basketball TE, he uses his body. And he’s a better blocker than Gesicki coming out of college, just needs to improve.

        I think he’ll be a good addition to the team, so I’m not arguing that. We’re mostly quibbling over details.

  62. steveccnv says:

    Now I see why we traded 156, it saved us 12k on the cap

  63. manitobafinfan says:

    Casserly likes our draft,

  64. son of a son of a shula says:

    Charlie Casserly loves our draft says we got four first rounders

  65. CavalierKong says:

    In regards to Gurley, I was looking last night at FA backs, trying to find a big bruising back. I know it’s been speculated we don’t care about getting a bruiser.

    We picked up Malcom Brown who is 5’11” 225. Is he going to be the ‘big’ back we keep on the roster. Who else is out there in FA?

    • manitobafinfan says:

      I think he may fill that spot for the year anyway

      • CavalierKong says:

        The Pets have played many season without a big back on the roster, so as some have said, it may be we’re just fine with our RB room.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      His stats last year Weren’t great as they were platooning him, Henderson and Akers every other game to see what they had

  66. CavalierKong says:

    Cap’n: Yeah, I felt the same way at first. The Long pick was surprise I think to everyone. But I’m on board with whatever these guys want to do. They’ve earned it with two years of over-achieving. Tim mentioned it last night, it’s about scheme fit and who is available when we pick and we valued Long there, so I’m good with it. We obviously want to run a lot of 12 personnel, and you need quality TEs to do that, not JAGs.

  67. son of a son of a shula says:

    Rock you can come out of your bunker, now that the dust has settled it looks like the team got improved quite nicely after all 👀🐬💪

  68. CavalierKong says:

    I still haven’t watched tape on Holland

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      You should you’ll feel much better about the pick

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, I watched some Long film last night before turning in. I’m looking forward to catching up on Holland and Eich today.

  69. steveccnv says:

    We don’t need an RB that’s going to take over a game, we just need RB production.

    We have 3 guys that can carry the load on any given week, depending on opponent.

    Sure I’d like to have a better RB, like what we got from Ajayi a few years ago, but not sure it’s necessary

    Even with Ajayi he was only pretty good 6 games with over 70 yards and 3 great games over 200, 4 over 100

    • CavalierKong says:

      A lot of team go RB by committee. It’s proven effective. I watch the Niners the last couple years (I know you watch them some too), and every week they have 3 guys that can tote the rock.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yeah, run 3 guys and see who has the hot hand, but situational football too, like Brown in short yardage

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I was enamored with Harris the individual who happened to be a RB, missing on Williams doesn’t bother me too much.

  70. Capt. Stubbs says:

    Totally agree. I just keep hearing one of our TEs doesn’t catch well. When it’s not that they can’t catch, they weren’t asked to. I actually remember a few times we asked the others to catch and my recollection they did. I’m like wow! that guy catches well during a couple of games last year. However I like the pick and I like the culture they’re bringing down here

  71. CavalierKong says:

    It wasn’t just Casserly that loves our draft. I see love in lots of analyses.

  72. steveccnv says:

    Holland is an awareness player, he uses his eyes, keeps them on the action, and why he’s a ballhawk.

    Plays all over the field, looks to be a true zone cover guy, but can play man.

    Didn’t see enough to know what kind of true cover skills he has, but…and this could the reason he was the first safety off of the board, I see some Xavier ballhawk skills with him.

    The comparison to Minkah is accurate, I can see him being a true centerfielder making the plays Minkah makes

    • steveccnv says:

      When you disguise coverage like we do it pays to have a good CF

      We saw last year a lot of int, with balls just floating out there saying, please pick me off, even Byron FN Jones benefitted a couple of times😉

  73. CavalierKong says:

    I just realized Smythe is a FA next year. I thought we extended him in the offseason.

    • steveccnv says:

      Thought I heard that too, looks like both won’t be back, unless at least 1 takes a team friendly deal

  74. Marinofan13 says:

    Here are my current thoughts/grades on our Draft.
    My grades aren’t solely based on the talent of the player, but when and where we took the player

    1) Jaylen Waddle: A+ HOMERUN pick!!! Could we have traded down and still landed him? Perhaps, but it would have been very risky. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. He was my WR#2, behind only Chase… who went to the Bengals one pick before us.

    2) Jaelan Phillips: A-. Although I wouldn’t have touched him due to injury concerns, he was clearly the best EDGE of this class. IF his health is legit, we may have scored the steal of the Draft. The kid is a BEAST(!), both in pass-rushing and run-defending.

    3) Jevon Holland: C. This one confounds me. Nobody had Holland as the best Safety in the Draft… NOBODY. I had him as my Safety#4, and I think it’s pretty clear that he would have been available @ R2P18 (if not later), thus voiding the need to trade our 2022 3rd rounder away to trade up for Eichenberg later. The player is very good (not great), and we could have addressed real needs here, instead. Huge reach and totally unnecessary. I’ll be most happy to be proven wrong, though.

    4) Liam Eichenberg: A. Outstanding! Adding Eichenberg to our O-Line will pay dividends, through and through. He should have been our pick @ R2P4 — instead of Holland — and we’re lucky nobody took him before we eventually traded up (costing us a 2022 3rd rounder) for him @ R2P10. Between Eichenberg and Austin Jackson, we’ve got bookend Tackles for the next decade, protecting Tua and paving the way for outside RBs.

    5) Hunter Long: C. This one also confounds me. While I get the ‘Ace’ (that’s the ’12 personnel’ scheme), I felt pretty good about our TE room going into the Draft. To take a TE here when we had bigger fish to fry seemed unwarranted. The player is fairly good, but certainly not worthy of a 3rd round pick, IMO. Huge reach again and totally unnecessary.

    Final: I saw three KILLER(!!!) picks, and two head-scratchers. We failed to upgrade at the Center and RB positions, but perhaps they can be augmented via FA (there will be more surprise cuts coming after the Draft).

    Overall: B+

    • steveccnv says:

      I can’t believe you of all people don’t like the Holland pick, being he’s a ballhawk with 9 ints in 2 years

      • Marinofan13 says:

        It’s not that I don’t like Holland, Brother. I don’t like where we took him. He would have been there for us later.

  75. steveccnv says:

    A starter to me is someone that plays over 50% of the snaps.

    Waddle, Phillips, and Eichenberg will all be starters, with Holland and Long getting their fair share of PT.

    Who knows, if any of these guys will be great, but the potential is there for all of them

  76. Marinofan13 says:

    steveccnv says:
    May 1, 2021 at 3:23 pm
    Holland is an awareness player, he uses his eyes, keeps them on the action, and why he’s a ballhawk.

    Plays all over the field, looks to be a true zone cover guy, but can play man.

    Didn’t see enough to know what kind of true cover skills he has, but…and this could the reason he was the first safety off of the board, I see some Xavier ballhawk skills with him.

    The comparison to Minkah is accurate, I can see him being a true centerfielder making the plays Minkah makes
    —————-
    This is exactly how I viewed Richie Grant, S, UCF. I don’t yet understand why we took Holland where we did.

  77. son of a son of a shula says:

    Grier and Flores are grading their board based on intangibles that we’ll just never know, it’s their board and they’re entitled to build as they see fit. We have Marvin Allen in house helping Grier who’s been very successful grading college talent.

  78. Marinofan13 says:

    Let me try to explain this again, as I tried to explain to Tim… perhaps I can do it better this time…

    This is how it should have gone down…
    R1P6: Waddle
    R1P18: Phillips
    R2P4: Eichenberg
    R2P18: Holland

    Instead of having to use our 2022 3rd round pick to trade up for Eichenberg, we’d still have it. Holland would have been there for us @ R2P18. That would change my overall grade from B+ to an A.

  79. CavalierKong says:

    MF13, you have every right to your opinion that Holland would have been there if we took him later, I respect that, but we had him valued as our top safety, what if someone else did too?

    Grant went at 40, maybe we lose out on Holland there, and we didn’t want Eich and Grant, we want Eich and Holland.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I hear ya, bud… and thank you! I just wish we still had our 2022 3rd rounder. And I think as a result, we traded away our 5th rounder about an hour ago to get another 4th rounder next year.

      Perhaps with two 4th rounders next year, we can trade back up into the 3rd next year to compensate for having traded away our 2022 3rd rounder.

      I’m about the value, man!

      • Tim Knight says:

        We had two 3rd round picks next year, one from the SF trade. We still have one.

  80. Marinofan13 says:

    I hope nobody thinks I’m being a stinkbug over my ‘B+’ grade of our Draft. IMO, that’s VERY GOOD! I grade much harder than the pundits do.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      And personally, I think we were >this close< to KILLING the Draft! VERY GOOD, indeed!

    • CavalierKong says:

      Nothing wrong with honest eval.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        That’s how I try to be, CavKong, taking any and all bias out. I may have liked Richie Grant over Jevon Holland, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t like Holland, either. My only issue was when and where he was taken, that’s all… and it won’t matter if Holland balls for us!

  81. The Flying Pig says:

    Going to enjoy a steak and oyster dinner tonight

    Let me know if we draft any starters in the 7th round…lol

  82. The Flying Pig says:

    I give our draft 🥓 🥓🥓 on a scale 4 🥓

    • CavalierKong says:

      That reminds me. I bought some bacon to try a new method where you twist and bake them. Been baking my bacon for years, never tried it twisted though

  83. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t know if you guys follow Big E on Twitter but he was supposed to announce the 5thnrounder

  84. CavalierKong says:

    Oh, by the way. I’m pretty disappointed today. I woke up expecting to see a new finsmob article called ‘I have crabs’… 🤣

  85. Marinofan13 says:

    Think of it…

    We’ve got Mike Gesicki, DeVante Parker, Jaylen Waddle, and Will Fuller lined up, coming at an opposing defense. What’s that DC going to do?

    Well, I’ll tell ya what that DC is going to do. He’s going to stay up all night for a week straight in game prep, probably wearing Depends.

    Just wish we had either of Najee or Javonte to make it that much more shitty for opposing DCs.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      But it probably doesn’t matter… that opposing DC HAS to account for any of our current RBs, anyway.

    • stangerx says:

      As good a Q now as when asked in a 1:44 pm post. Great minds….. which can’t figure out what opposing Ds will do. 🙂

  86. steveccnv says:

    I wouldn’t grade this draft an A either, but my vision isn’t the teams vision, it only matters how they feel they did.

    Need 1 – trade out of 3
    Need 2 – get top 4 receiver
    Need 3 – Edge
    Need 4 – RT
    Need 5 – RB
    Need 6 – C

    I think we got the main needs taken care of. After receiver it would’ve really bugged the he’ll out of me if we hadn’t taken Eichenberg or someone for RT

    • steveccnv says:

      We still came away with a future 1st and 4th

    • Marinofan13 says:

      You said that “it only matters how they feel they did”. I say results are all that matters. All good, though!

      I agree with everything else.

  87. Tim Knight says:

    I thought we signed Smythe to an extension?

    I can’t remember who said it on NFLN but someone said they expect Hunter Long to be a pro bowl caliber TE in a few years.

  88. Tim Knight says:

    M13, we had two 3rd round picks next year, one from the SF trade. We still have one.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Got ya… didn’t realize as much.

      Strictly my opinion… I’d have rather used one of those 3rd rounder to trade up for Javonte Williams.

  89. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 1, 2021 at 1:44 pm
    So it is 3rd and 9 and Phins motion to 3-wide (4-wide if you count the TE off the line). The D is faced with:

    Parker — Waddle on one side and Gesicki — Fuller on the other.

    Who gets doubled, or at least which DB/LB gets safety help? I really don’t know the answer.
    ——————
    OH! Apologies, Stanger! I skipped through a lot today and didn’t see this!

    GREAT MINDS, INDEED!!! 😀

  90. New Age says:

    I really like our draft. I wasn’t very enamored yesterday but then I looked more in depth at the guys we got. I think all four of our first picks will be starters by the end of 2021. That’s amazing value and everything you want out of a draft. I’ve gotten greedy expecting lots of early picks but then I look at other teams drafts,, I really liked about 8 of them but none had our concentration of talent. It feels good to draft extra talent early.

    I’m spoiled by the last couple drafts but I think we really hit on some picks that make us a better team, which is all I could hope for normally. ( NAJEE!! JAVONTE!!!!)

  91. son of a son of a shula says:

    The drafts biggest winner is Melissa Stark. Thank you for Thursday, we’ll always have that.

  92. bailbondmike says:

    Damn, Marquez Stevenson to Bills. He can fly. That really sucks!

  93. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 1, 2021 at 4:57 pm
    Okay but that’s not what the team wanted to do. 😉
    —————–
    I KNOW THIS! LOL 😉

  94. son of a son of a shula says:

    Two camp bodies coming up soon

  95. Capt. Stubbs says:

    CAV if you’re still around I think the twisted bacon is the way to go. You can cook soo much more and who doesn’t want more bacon 😋. Advice separate bacon and let it thaw before twisting. It takes longer to prepare like our draft however it’s worth it lol

    • CavalierKong says:

      My biggest problem cooking slabs of bacon has always been quantity the pan will hold. It looks like twisting solves that in spades. I was excited to come across the method.

      I appreciate the tip, it makes perfect sense it’ll be easier to give a good twist that holds once it’s come to temp rather than straight out of the fridge, and I likely wouldn’t have thought of that my first time through.

      Cheers bud

  96. New Age says:

    Damn, and the Bills take Wildgoose too.

  97. Marinofan13 says:

    Quincy Roche to the Stealers*… good pick for them.

  98. bailbondmike says:

    Hamilcar Rashed Jr., Oregon State OLB is still available.

    So is big and fast WR Tamorrion Terry.

  99. Capt. Stubbs says:

    I’m still intrigued on having 2 offensive coordinators. Are they going to do something like wheel of fortune with plays all around the wheel? I hope theirs not going to be a lot of ” I told you so” going on after the game…. I know they are pros but someone is going to be thinking that if things don’t go well

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I don’t like it. Maybe it works out, but there should be only be 1 captain navigating the ship.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Hey Cap, good to see you.

      I think it might be they both put together the game plan but one of them calls the plays. Godsey has been an OC with Houston so my guess it will be him.

      • Capt. Stubbs says:

        Hey Knight! I hear ya,
        I guess it’s offensive coordinator by committee

  100. bailbondmike says:

    There goes Ehlinger to Colts

  101. olddolphan says:

    IN TWO SEASONS coach Flores has turned this franchise around from the laughing stock of the NFL to legitimate playoff contenders. It’s an achievement that’s only been bettered ONE TIME in Dolphins’ history (Shula’s first season when he turned around a 3-win Dolphins team in 1969 to the playoffs the following season. In his 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons he led the Fins to 3 straight Super Bowls, winning TWO of them!).

    What “COACH FLO” has done is truly remarkable. And historic. So I’m strongly inclined to giving him the benefit of the doubt on the soon to be completed 2021 draft. If recent history is any indicator (and I believe IT IS) most OF FLORES PICKS WILL PROVE TO BE VERY GOOD TO OUTSTANDING IN 2021.

    AND IF THAT’S TRUE, Miami will be in this season’s playoffs. And our first playoff victory THIS CENTURY will become a reality!!

    ISN”T THAT WHAT ALL OF US WANT???

    NOW, bring on the 2021 schedule. I CAN’T WAIT to see our boys deliver some ass kickings!!

    • ocalarob says:

      he hasn’t done anything yet, hell gase made the playoffs his 2nd year.
      what happened to “show me”?

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Show me from OD used to mean show me you can make this pile of shit a playoff team, now, if you don’t mind me saying OD, it means let’s take this talented team and go make a run.

    • stangerx says:

      OD — when you are luv’n a coach then something really is going on.

  102. bailbondmike says:

    Oh shit, surprised RB Kylan Hill is still available.

  103. bailbondmike says:

    and the first longer snapper comes off the board. Should have traded up. SMH

  104. bailbondmike says:

    I wanted him too I liked your vision for him. Gamer.
    ———————————-
    Yeah, I had quite a few visions for this draft. Now I am just fucking blind. lol

  105. son of a son of a shula says:

    Air fry the bacon, you’ll be surprised how quick and easy. Curl this 🖕lol

  106. olddolphan says:

    SON-OF-A-SON; Right-on, baby!! THAT’s what I meant!!
    ROB: I’ll try to keep it a bit more simple for you next time.

    • Capt. Stubbs says:

      You tell-em OD!!! the voice of reason. Hope all is well with you and everyone else on this blog

      • stangerx says:

        Think I’d go with sagely voice of experience. But man do we like our OD.

        Will be a Fest this year Captain…….. hope you can make. Spent the very first one sitting with you.

      • Capt. Stubbs says:

        Most definitely coming!!! I want to do the tour of Florida this year

      • stangerx says:

        Cool beans. Schedule comes out May 12. Be sure to check in to help pick the game and then get your seat reserved.

  107. steveccnv says:

    WTF took our LS, bastards

  108. steveccnv says:

    Marinofan13 says:
    May 1, 2021 at 4:48 pm
    You said that “it only matters how they feel they did”. I say results are all that matters. All good, though!

    I agree with everything else.

    I was talking about now, as a result of how they feel they did

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Understood the first time. I guess what I was trying to convey was that ‘facts don’t care about feelings’. 😉

      We’ll see how it pans out over time, my friend.

  109. steveccnv says:

    Let’s trade our 2 7s for 2 6s

  110. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stubbs, I want the tour too but I also want New Orleans too 😁

  111. steveccnv says:

    We’re on after 6 hours

  112. son of a son of a shula says:

    Parnell Coleman T guess they do hate Davis, lol

  113. Marinofan13 says:

    Larnel Coleman, OT, UMass

  114. steveccnv says:

    We have the 2nd to last pick, good thing TB won the SB

  115. bailbondmike says:

    WR Mike Strachan, Charleston (WV) was one I was looking at from Herd’s hood as an UDFA. He went to Colts.

  116. bailbondmike says:

    D, where you at? What is the deal with no love from anyone for Kylan Hill?

  117. bailbondmike says:

    He was on the Outland Trophy watch list… and we nabbed him in the 7th round.
    ——————–
    Oh, cool!

  118. CavalierKong says:

    Overview
    Durable three-year starter with experience at both tackle positions. Coleman’s long arms have proven to be effective at slowing his opponent’s rush momentum and he’s savvy with his hands in his pass protection approach. His knee bend is average, which hinders his consistency protecting the edge in both the run and passing games. He’s athletic in space and should be able to compete in all run-blocking schemes. While his pass protection is average by NFL standards, he has talent to work with and offers swing tackle potential as a Day 3 draft pick.

  119. CavalierKong says:

    Strengths
    Athletic feet in space to shuffle and find positioning.
    Makes adjustments to land and sustain blocks against linebackers.
    Feet don’t stop running through the block.
    Brings his feet with him to stuff and redirect challenges on his edge.
    Flashes his hands to keep rusher off-balance pre-punch.
    Throws punch with conviction.
    Adequate body control and hand strength to cinch up the block.
    Clear eyes see incoming twists and games.

    Weaknesses
    Too much arm wiggle and wasted motion post-snap.
    Not much hip roll into first contact in run game.
    Hand placement can get away from him as drive blocker.
    Can do better at maintaining knee bend through all three phases of the block.
    Pass sets are a little rigid and awkward.
    Punch needs to be more concise and accurate.
    Gets too far out over his skis in run and pass blocking.
    Had some issues with bull rush against Liberty.

  120. bailbondmike says:

    There are going to be some good players in the UDFA pool.

  121. CavalierKong says:

    Uhoh, little Maxwell mispronounced our pick’s name, looks like he is going to have to run some laps

  122. Marinofan13 says:

  123. olddolphan says:

    CAPT. STUBBS: To answer your question, the health levels at our house have improved. I just cleared another group of cancer tests in flying colors. My family physician congratulated me on my “numbers” from my recent tests; My blood pressure is 122 over 78; My bad cholesterol is WAY DOWN to normal. And my weight, which got as high as 258 a few years ago is now down to 214, thanks to walking the Greyhound 13 miles per week.

    BOTH me and my wife had the covid. We’ve fully recovered AND we’ve had BOTH of the Moderna vaccine shots. My wife’s recovery from her 9th surgery has been difficult. She had a total knee replacement and is unable (because of 5 previous back surgeries) to do some of the exercises that are needed to “get the knee working well again.” But she IS making progress, and, for that, we are thankful.
    CAN’T WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO GET STARTED!!!

  124. stangerx says:

    Jevon Holland pick surprised me…. like a lot of you guys (and just talking position).

    Gotta assume Grier and Flores knew what they were doing though. Back of our D should be stellar. As should the LBs….. and the DL is pretty darn solid as well.

    Should be one real solid D.

    • CavalierKong says:

      We have Jones and Howard. Needham is solid. If Holland can play with immediate impact, and Iggy progresses, we’ll have potentially the best entire secondary in the league.

      • stangerx says:

        Least thinking we should have one heck of a line-up in the dime. DBs are the team’s strength.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Like the Pats, DBs are paramount with the way they and us play defense – lots of man coverage. Our defense should be improved on what we started last year.

  125. Tim Knight says:

    The CBS site finally switched it to #244.

  126. Marinofan13 says:

    This is the first ‘Draft Saturday’ I’ve had off in over a decade. Nice! At any rate, I used to be the guy who posted our UDFA acquisitions right after the Draft.

    I’m passing the torch this year. I hope somebody will be posting our UDFA as they happen instead. I’ll be back later, though.

    GO PHINS!!!

  127. Mike E. says:

    So who’s really excited about our draft??? I’d give it an M for Meh. I’m looking forward to just having one pick in each RD, they seem to do better with that format

    • Tim Knight says:

      Most of the pundits have given us high grades. Charley Casserly thinks we got 1st round talents with our first four picks.

  128. Marinofan13 says:

    I’ll stick around for #244…

  129. Mike E. says:

    I thought Trevon Moehrig was the best safety in the draft. We’ll see how Jevon Holland does here, but it seemed pretty unanimous that Moehrig was the top safety.

  130. Marinofan13 says:

    Gerrid Doaks, RB, Cincy

  131. bailbondmike says:

    There’s our BIG RB

  132. CavalierKong says:

    Overview

    Pro size with broad, thickly built lower half. Doaks can be a physical runner when he wants to be, but there are times when he gears down rather than imposing his will into contact. He lacks foot quickness and the desired field vision to find pathways and yardage on his own, so power will need to become his calling card. He looks more comfortable lining up behind the quarterback and attacking the flanks, where he has longer to process the defense and can get his momentum building. He does just enough out of the backfield and has decent pass pro potential. He might go undrafted but has enough going for him to get a look.

    • Mike E. says:

      When are the times when he doesn’t want to be physical? We should probably ask him before putting him out on the field

      • CavalierKong says:

        Maybe when Buffy the Vampire Slayer is on? If so, it should be pretty easy to coordinate.

  133. bailbondmike says:

    I kind of forgot about him:

    • Tim Knight says:

      I know 7th round pick and this is highlights but he looks pretty good. We’ll see if he can translate at the next level. Good size and looks to have decent speed and good hands.

  134. CavalierKong says:

    Strengths
    Broad lower body with thick legs.
    Productivity hurt by inconsistent blocking at times.
    Gets his speed up when hitting the outside carry.
    Good forward lean and lowered pads as finisher.
    Size and strength to pinball off tacklers when he’s cranked up.
    Improved in 2020 at keeping his feet moving through contact.
    Puts pepper into his chip blocks and blitz pickups.

    Weaknesses
    Not very quick out of his stance.
    Blurry field vision in reading the defensive front.
    Lethargic feet slow jump-cuts and lateral movements.
    Doesn’t show much savvy getting through lanes cleanly.
    Won’t wiggle enough to elude tacklers.
    Fumbling issues need to be corrected.
    Pass-catching can be a labor for him.

  135. steveccnv says:

    Coleman against USF was only responsible for 3 sacks

    Has power but probably runs a 5.9 40, speed guys walk around him

    Maybe practice squad

  136. manitobafinfan says:

    INT the TEs .. I know we extended Shaheen .. thought Smythe as well but apparently not

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s pretty weird we all thought Smythe got extended. I think right after Shaheen got his, there were a couple articles that Smythe would happen in the next few days, and we just all kind of mentally completed that contract, lol.

  137. David Collins says:

    Mike, im very excited about the draft, i like the later picks also, another OL, and Doaks , a RB

    doaks looks tough as nails, and is 6 -0 230

    what will be really exciting, is watching these guys every sunday IMO

    • Mike E. says:

      Ok team boy – Rah-rah!

      • David Collins says:

        whats the problem, im a Dolphins fan just like You are

        the only difference is im not writing off the draft picks already, i want to wait and see what the Fins FO saw in them

  138. twicethethe says:

    Thanks for the highlights link for Doaks BBMike – made some nice catches out of the backfield – good hands.

  139. David Collins says:

    for the guys that are unhappy their mancrushes didnt get picked, its because You picked the wrong mancrushes, lol

    not the Dolphins fault

  140. Rhino says:

    months of guessing and mocks … now its time for months of ‘roster-bation’ 🙂

  141. David Collins says:

    Mike, being a Dolphin fan, we KNOW, that this is the right time of the year to get excited, lol

    there was no excitement in the Buffalo disaster last year

  142. ocalarob says:

    next ……..UDFA’s

  143. Mike E. says:

    David – I think we did OK. Our FO is not infallible. I wanted guys that will make an impact now, we’ll see how that works out. I know Waddle will, I think Phillips will too. Not sure if Eichenberg sees the field and if he does if he’s up to the task of being Tua’s blind side pass blocker. Not sure about how the safety Holland works out. We’ll see, I fell in love with Iggy Mahogany and he never showed up. We’ll see if he does this year. I thought they should have made more of an effort to get a top RB. I think that may come back to kick them in the ass. Doaks may not even make the 53.

    • David Collins says:

      thats the Mike i know and love, lol we all know the FO are not perfect, but they are the only ones that careers are at stake based on these picks. so they better be right, or,,,,,

      we know the drill, just hoping its different this time, the definition of insanity, lol

      • Mike E. says:

        I honestly felt like we had a chance to KILL IT, and I think we ended up just doing OK. To me, that’s a shame.

    • stangerx says:

      I would be shocked if Eichenberg didn’t start least in the 2nd half of the season. And he’s a big need (versus safety and TE). So I figure we got 3 starters, or at least “will play alots” the way Flores runs things.

  144. Tim Knight says:

    Holland is versatile, not just a safety. He can play multiple spots and he makes plays. That’s what we want in our defense. I wasn’t expecting us to draft DB early but not sure why we knock the player.

    • stangerx says:

      For me at least about the position and not the player. He’s our 4th safety…… Jones wasn’t even starting last year. Would love to be talking about a RB and a C.

      • Tim Knight says:

        You don’t know what he is yet. We’ll know more after all of these rooks go through camp and play in games. It’s the same way every year. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        Holland might end up HOF. Was sorta hoping the thinking would be “Jones is really showing it…. no need to go safety.”

      • Tim Knight says:

        When you play man, you need lots of quality depth in the secondary because if a few guys go down and you don’t have enough, you can’t play that way anymore. The same if we want to play a lot of 12 personnel with TEs.

  145. Mike E. says:

    Kong – Buffy can be on anytime man, This is 2021 when you can stream anything anytime you silly ape!

  146. wyoming85 says:

    Is it tears and jeers?
    or
    Smiles for miles?

  147. Tim Knight says:

    A friend of mine who is a Dolphins fan and a Hurricanes fan is stoked that we drafted Phillips. He’s watched him play every game.

    • David Collins says:

      thats awesome, i am not a canes fan, but im a Phillips fan

      we need his pass rushing skills

  148. bailbondmike says:

    Rhino says:
    May 1, 2021 at 6:28 pm
    months of guessing and mocks … now its time for months of ‘roster-bation’
    ————————
    I am working on my first 2022 mock right now. lol 😉

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s why fans get disappointed after drafts because they have the same group of names burned into their heads for months while teams scout the entire country. None of us do that on that level. Who the hell would have the time for that? LOL

  149. steveccnv says:

    Doaks looked good against Houston, had 2 long runs a one handed catch, lots of nice runs.

    Didn’t see the vision issues

    He did have a fumble, but QB was more to blame, pulled the ball out late on read option. Most runs seemed like read option

    Good blocker too

    Give him at least a 50% chance to make the roster, let’s see how he plays in preseason

    Coleman has some gifts to work with, seems better in a phone booth than space

    Give him a 25% chance only because of his potential

  150. David Collins says:

    SB Nation’s James Dator first impression of a Dolphins pick came with the team’s selection of Waddle. He graded the team’s pick at a B+. He explained, writing, “Two picks, two handcuffs in a row [following the Cincinnati Bengals reuniting quarterback Joe Burrow with wide receiver Ja’Marr Chase]. The Dolphins reunite Waddle with Tua Tagovailoa and give him a shifty receiver who can mesh really well with their first round pick a year ago. Miami needed a top-end weapon, and they got it here. The offense will be better as a result, and considering the bevy of picks the Dolphins have, getting a player widely regarded to be the best WR in this draft was a great choice. Now they can address other issues later.”

    Miami came back on the clock with the 18th selection, using it to pick Phillips. Dator gave this pick a B+ as well, explaining, “The Dolphins went with the local guy here, and Phillips becomes the first defensive end off the board. A long, lean pass rusher with amazing moves — Phillips is the prototype for the modern position. He has pursuit speed to chase down agile quarterbacks, and hitting power to make an impact.

    • stangerx says:

      We got two talents in the first round, but then if we didn’t the FO really screwed up.

      They took Phillips and he was the first edge taken out of a possible 4. We’ll see if was the right choice… or at least a real good one.

  151. steveccnv says:

    Love the Waddle and Eichenberg picks, Phillips looks good too as long as he’s healthy.

    In a year when DE was weak, we may have gotten the best and only good one.

    Hope I was wrong about Rousseau.

    Holland could be a great pick for our system, but I’d need to see him play first.

    Long is my type of possession TE, one that makes a team hard to stop on 3rd down.

    And of course the draft will be in LV next year when we only have an extra 4th

  152. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – What did you think of our draft?

    • wyoming85 says:

      Waddle and Holland are great picks!
      Don’t know why we didn’t take Najee @18?
      I just got home from work so haven’t seen day 3 yet?

      • David Collins says:

        we couldnt take harris at 18, we needed Phillips more because the AFC east is loading up on passing talents

        we play 6 games every year against these teams that are reloading for the passing game.

        we can either prepare to defend that, or watch the other teams light up the scoreboards

  153. wyoming85 says:

    I find my lack of enthusiasm for pro sports very disturbing!

  154. steveccnv says:

    A GM doesn’t just draft players, that will help a team this year.

    He carries many hats, capologist – he drafts players with an eye out for future FA departures, and money pushed forward.

    He drafts players to make the current year’s roster, with an eye on the future.

    There’s a fine line between drafting one position over another, when to move up/down.

    Also has to work with the coach to find players that fit the system.

    As fans we just want guys we like, usually without consideration to the above

    • stangerx says:

      No doubt deeper levels of concern and more going on than we take in. But some things hit you in the face. Didn’t have to be Harris, but no RB in the first 5 picks. Could have come at #18 or at #36 with Williams or at #50.

      What do I take from that? Either that they aren’t as concerned about the best team this year or they plan on picking a FA, possibly after the June cuts.

    • David Collins says:

      agreed

    • Tim Knight says:

      ^

    • CavalierKong says:

      Well put

  155. wyoming85 says:

    I know most of you East coasters haven’t watched Holland play!
    But he’s a thumper who can cover!

  156. David Collins says:

    we could have gotten Lawrence at 6 and Pitts at 18 and some would still complain, lol

    they can complain all they like, but the Fins had a solid draft, and hopefully we can go to the playoffs this year

  157. Tim Knight says:

    I would think we’re going to add a RB or two with UDFAs and let the competition begin. Gaskin 7th round and Ahmed undrafted played well for us last year. Malcolm Brown also undrafted a few years back is a solid pro. Improved blocking can help even average RBs be productive. Now we added another 7th in Gerrid Doaks to the mix. Maybe we need to realize that we don’t view RBs as a high priority because we think we can find value without premium capital.

    • stangerx says:

      Very well might be how they see it, but then why Breida and Howard last year? Agree seeming that they don’t want big move on a RB.

      • David Collins says:

        howard sucked, not sure why Breida didnt get more touches, he did well on the few he had, maybe he was in the coaches doghouse

      • Tim Knight says:

        Maybe because they didn’t know what they had and they took a shot on some vets. Both didn’t pan out the way they had hoped and maybe decided we’re not going that route again.

        A lot of vets we added last year I believe was to be stopgap so we were not too young and we could compete until we had enough good young players. Some pan out some don’t. We already moved on from those two backs, Van Noy, Flowers, Lawson and Grugier-Hill. Moved on from Fitz too. We did some more of that this year in FA. Then we’ll rinse and repeat next year as more young players takeover.

        They are going about it the right way but it’s never perfect.

    • David Collins says:

      good point, but would like to add that the running game requires great run blocking first, no matter who the back is
      the fins did pick up 2 OL this year, and after watching the chiefs and their OL injury riddled team get manhandled,,, its a stark reminder that running games start with running blocking

      and passing games dont exist if the defenders are not blocked out also

      im the first to complain about taking the duck OL in the first round, not because we dont need him, just felt he wasnt worthy of 6

      but the fins need top notch blocking to advance deep into the playoffs someday, heres to hope!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep! Look at the talent the Packers and Chiefs have as skill players and the Bucs defense shut them both down.

        What I see us building is a ball control offense with play-action and some RPO, play good defense and STs, and the big plays will come in all phases. Flores wants us to be fundamentally sound in all phases, not rely on just a few players. Grier has said this as well.

  158. wyoming85 says:

    David
    Holland will cure the QB runs!

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      He plays Micah Parsons fast I’ve already penciled him in as a starter

      • stangerx says:

        If he’s a starter someone is gonna go. And he does look like a true centerfield, which to me means will be McCain.

    • David Collins says:

      that would be awesome, put those AFC east QB on their asses, lol

  159. David Collins says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      He plays the ball a lot like X. Good instincts and hands. He looks like a good football player to me. 🙂

  160. David Collins says:

    Jevon Holland NFL Draft Profile
    Height: 6’0 5/8″
    Weight: 207 pounds
    Position: Safety
    School: Oregon
    Current Year: Junior
    Tony Pauline’s Jevon Holland Scouting Report
    Positives: Explosive, athletic safety with a well-rounded game. Does an outstanding job with coverage assignments, tracks the pass in the air, and displays a good move to the throw. Follows receivers across the middle of the field, effectively times pass defenses, and possesses good hands for the interception.

    Displays terrific ball skills, flips his hips in transition, and gets his head back around to locate the pass in the air. Not a liability covering the slot receiver. Aggressive and battles receivers throughout the route. Fires up the field, breaks down well, and gives effort defending the run and stopping screen passes.

    Negatives: Possesses a thin frame and struggles in battles. Will be outmatched by bigger receivers. Inconsistent bursting to the ball.

    Analysis: Holland is a good athlete and a developing safety who would’ve benefited from another season on the field in 2020. His ball skills and coverage ability are such that teams may consider him at cornerback or nickel back. Holland comes with a large upside but needs time to develop his game.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Like most of the players in this draft. Every NFL team is in the same boat with these prospects who need development. 2020 was a rough year for these guys.

  161. steveccnv says:

    They call Holland a slot safety, so Needham’s spot, our biggest weakness on D last year

    • David Collins says:

      good point, slot safety is a difficult position to play too

      hes also being called versatile enough to play every position in the secondary

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think it’s obvious Flores wants to be exceptional in the secondary so we can attack and blitz teams with the DL and at LB. Besides sacks, pressure and tipped passes create turnovers when you have good hands people in the secondary.

  162. David Collins says:

    OMG, my leveraged doge futures are exploding, lol

    this is exciting, up 800 percent since Friday Morning

  163. steveccnv says:

    These guys grading the draft picks are a real joke. They really don’t know shit from shinola.

    Mostly they have no idea what the vision is for a given player, so they don’t know any more than we do

    • David Collins says:

      i disagree, i think their analysis is decent, not perfect, but gives a general idea of the players talents

  164. steveccnv says:

    Starting to see why Holland was taken at 36, if he’s like Minkah we got a steal

  165. David Collins says:

    the Raiders drafted 3 safeties, lol not sure what to think of that, but it does appear that defensive secondaries are becoming much more important than in years past to the GM,s

  166. Randy says:

    I know Needham had some nice plays for us the past couple years, but he’s a liability in coverage. Smaller, quick guys and guys with speed beat him constantly. Some sort of move needed to be made to upgrade there.
    ***
    I think Iggy is gonna be a pleasant surprise this season. I know he didn’t look real good last year but most of it just looked like rookie mistakes. He should benefit greatly from more development time.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Iggy was viewed as a project with a big upside. Even his college coach said he’s just learning how to be a corner after being a WR. But believes he’ll excel soon enough.

      Grier/Flores had the luxury of blowing the team up and turning over the roster with players like this because Stephen Ross was on board. Now we’re in Phase III. Yes Mike E, Phase III. 😉

      • steveccnv says:

        If I remember correctly Holland played some WR too, hope he isn’t slow to pick up the pro game

    • twicethethe says:

      Wasn’t he 20 when we drafted him? So not surprised he was a little lost first year. Still a ton of room to grow.

  167. Marinofan13 says:

    wyoming85 says:
    May 1, 2021 at 6:51 pm


    —————
    One of my very favorite songs!!!
    HELL YEAH!!!

  168. Tim Knight says:

    When do the UDFA signings begin, now, tomorrow or when?

  169. wyoming85 says:

  170. Mike E. says:

    Needham gets little respect. I thought he played pretty well for us last season. He was asked to step and i thought he did.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s serviceable and plays hard. I believe we tendered him. But camp is going to be very competitive which is a good thing.

  171. Tim Knight says:

    There are only 8 players left from the pre-Flores era. Can you name them?

  172. Tim Knight says:

    Marc Ross just gave us an A+ in the draft.

    • Mike E. says:

      Who’s that, Stephen Ross’s son? lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        Marc Ross is a former Giants executive and former GM Charlie Casserly along with others gave us high grades.

        It’s RB that is holding you back, isn’t it?

  173. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 1, 2021 at 9:45 pm
    LOL wasn’t sure about anything anymore.
    ————-
    Fair enough… and I DO hear ya. So many rule changes over the recent years has me not being sure either. All good, man. Sorry if I inadvertently insulted ya.

    But yes… UDFA begins immediately after the Draft closes.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      You would have known this, had I been posting our UDFAs per the usual… I’m taking the night off!

  174. David Collins says:

    Marc Ross is now an analyst for NFL network

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes guys who have been in the biz carry weight with me. These aren’t beat reporters, they’ve scouted talent for teams and still do as analysts.

  175. David Collins says:

    im not crazy about Jerome Johnson, DT for Indiana

    he was signed as a UDFA, most likely for training camp fodder IMO< but hes along ways away from NFL ready and may never be

  176. David Collins says:

    Robert Jones , OL from Middle Tennessee state was also signed as a UDFA

    more training camp fodder, this guy is a run blocker ONLY,
    and a human turnstile nightmare at pass blocking, it appeared at times he WANTS his QB sacked, lol

  177. David Collins says:

    i was mentioning before the draft, that the SEC is a NFL production machine.

    College football’s juggernaut conference has done it again. 65 SEC football players heard their names called at some point during the 2021 NFL Draft. that’s a new record, a record previously held by (you guessed it) the SEC. The conference had 63 players drafted last year. The previous record of 64 was set by the SEC conference in 2019.

    This is the 15th year in a row the SEC has led all conferences in draft selections. Perhaps even more impressive is the fact ALL SEC schools sent at least One player drafted .

  178. Tim Knight says:

    What if the combo of Gaskin/Ahmed as the quicker more elusive backs, and Brown and maybe a guy like Doaks as the more physical type backs is our vision for the running game with improved blocking? Situational football, not looking for a bell cow back.

    It seems to me that TE matters. Also adding speed at WR.

    What if this is our starting OL this year?
    LT Eichenberg (2nd round-rook)
    LG Kindley (4th round-2nd year)
    C Skura (5th year-FA)
    RG Hunt (2nd round-2nd year)
    RT Jackson (1st round-2nd year)

    • twicethethe says:

      Yep – the revamped line plus the increasingly dangerous receiving group will open up the running game – if the opposing D needs to drop more guys into coverage then they aren’t in the box stopping the run anymore. It’s going to be interesting either way.

  179. sb7mvp says:

    Lol at the excitment that Charlie Casserly liked our draft. You might as well quote Skip Bayless.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Really? You’re comparing Casserly and others who actually built successful football teams to Skip Bayless? That was pretty weak. Why not say Mando, Hyde and Omar are more knowledgable. Just saying! LOL

  180. CavalierKong says:

    “You will find no bigger media fan of Manziel’s than I am.” – Skip Bayless

  181. CavalierKong says:

    Mike, I thought Needham was solid last year too. The board seems down on him, so I started wondering if I’m only remembering the good times but overall his play was poor or if those guys are just cottonheaded ninny muggins, lol.

  182. Tim Knight says:

    The Armchair GM’s Strike Again! Even if I don’t follow it that closely… I know more than the people who do or have done it for a living. Please… stop!

    I’ll say it again, it’s all about the standings at the end of the day. We amateurs need to stop acting like we know how to do this. It’s becoming embarrassing. As I get older I find it more humorous though. 🙂

  183. Randy says:

    Needham made some nice plays, but he also got torched as the season went on. Teams started taking advantage of him. It’s always so black and white around here. A guy can be good at some things and not at others. If you didn’t see Needham getting beat in coverage repeatedly, I don’t know what to tell ya. I guess we’ll see how they use him going forward.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Sooo not a cottonheaded ninny muggins then? 😉

    • Tim Knight says:

      People forget football is a competitive sport. Somebody wins and loses even if you made some plays. It’s about the final score. Every team is trying to get better. It’s not rocket science. We won today or we lost today. Those who win more than lose celebrate. It’s not that complicated. 😉

  184. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, the Brewers just refuse to lose.

    • bookman11 says:

      Yeah, isn’t it awesome?

    • CavalierKong says:

      Your boys look good

      • bookman11 says:

        Yeah, and they are fighting through injuries to Cain and Yellich. Counsel is such a good manager. Long year though 🙂

      • CavalierKong says:

        It’s been the Crews division the last couple years, and could be again this year. It’s a good team.

        Since 2011 the division has basically taken turns, Cards, Pirates, Cubs, then Crew with a couple Cincy sprinkled in. I’m hoping the Cards are coming back around to the top.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I don’t what the heck I was looking at. Cubs won last year. I was looking at WCs lol

    • steveccnv says:

      Dodgers have a new manager his name is Pete Rose.

      That’s the only thing that makes sense why they left Vesia in the game to blow both leads

  185. CavalierKong says:

    Just need VGK to finish off the Coyotes in regulation

    • CavalierKong says:

      Sigh

    • steveccnv says:

      Stupid penalty cost you a point. AZ getting a pt means nothing to me, just needed VGK to get 2

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t think you have anything to worry about getting the last playoff spot

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah we’ve almost got a spot sewn up. It’s not like it’ll matter anyway. If we get in, we’re playing your guys in the first round.

        The Blues have a found their stride and are playing much better hockey the last two weeks, but I don’t think we have much of a shot against VGK.

  186. steveccnv says:

    We added 3 key pieces on D, including McKinney, hopefully we can slow Allen down this year

  187. steveccnv says:

    I would rather have had Williams, but not at the expense of Eichenberg or Holland, Doaks will do for now

  188. steveccnv says:

    Same thing I thought (James Robinson) when I watched his tape

    The biggest question about Doaks will be durability issues, on top of being just a one-year full-time starter for the Bearcats. He has a good initial burst as a runner but lacks the long speed to consistently create chunk plays. In the right situation, Doaks’ combination of power, contact balance, receiving ability and toughness could make him a candidate to be this year’s James Robinson (Jacksonville Jaguars).

  189. David Collins says:

    whats up with israel, can those people celebrate their stupid holidays WITHOUT knocking off Americans? SMH

    what kind of religion, involves the deaths of Americans for their religious holiday? i have seen many types of religious celebrations, and no one got hurt,
    they need to either change their religion to a more peaceful one, or we need to send a few air drop bomb messages to the israeli government, they do not have the right to injure and kill our citizens with no repercussions

    if NK was offing Americans for a religious holiday, there would be full scale war immediately, but we let israel get away with it, SMH

  190. David Collins says:

    if any American church , temple, hall, synagogue, whatever
    were doing the same thing, they would be shut down immediately

  191. David Collins says:

    “The loss of life among worshipers practicing their faith is heartbreaking. I have instructed my team to offer our assistance to the government and people of Israel as they respond to the disaster and care for the wounded,” Biden said in a statement.

    count me as one that hates Biden now , SMH no mention of the perished Americans? assist israel? what about assisting the American families that lost their loved ones? thats not important?

    almost 50 people died, and Biden talks of it like a few people got wounded and need some bandaids and aspirins.

  192. David Collins says:

    Biden should have rented some cajones, he seems to not own any, and stand up for the nation that elected him to stand up for the USA and its citizens

    • David Collins says:

      PS, sorry for the rant, im just pissed i cant take my vote back, SMH

      next time i wont vote at all, all presidents suck, they ONLY represent themselves.

    • David Collins says:

      thanks for the vid

      grier seems to have a good grasp of things, but wow he sure is boring, lol
      Flores seems to be nodding off at times, lol

      i need extra coffee to listen to Grier in the morning

  193. Ken says:

    Oh brother David is advocating war with Israel

    • David Collins says:

      no, i am advocating standing up for US citizens, we cant ignore them

      ignoring Americans was not what Biden was elected for

      • David Collins says:

        i was pointing out the differences at how we would allow israel to do these things, but not NK

        i realize Israel is our ally, but if they wont act like they are, we need to remind them verbally first and let them know this is not acceptable.

        and we need to recognize the loss of US citizens, and help them. we are anxious to help a foreign nation that caused the problem, we should be even more anxious to help the nation we all call home

  194. David Collins says:

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