Gone is P Matt Haack. The Dolphins signed the former Carolina Panthers punter Michael Palardy instead of re-signing the steady Matt Haack. Palardy has a higher average per punt than Haack at 46.0 compared to the 44.7 Haack had as Dolphins punter. The important guy who is returning is All Pro kicker Jason Sanders. Sanders had a fantastic season converting 36 of 39 FG tries. His kickoffs were nearly always touchbacks. MIchael Palardy has a big leg so we’ll see if we improve our field position with him booming the ball.
Jakeem Grant shared return duties last year with rookies WR Malcolm Perry and DB Noah Igbinoghene. Grant was electric, but you held your breath until he actually cradled the ball when receiving the punt or kickoff. This year I believe Jaylen Waddle will be incorporated into the game and may even make Jakeem Grant expendable. Time will tell on that one. Waddle is so explosive in his own right and I would imagine he’s a lot more sure handed than Grant has been. Still, Jakeem Grant may stick here just because of his electric punt return ability, he averaged 11.4 yards on his punt returns last season. I do believe Waddle will challenge here and Malcolm Perry may also.
Blake Ferguson returns as the long snapper after a fine rookie season. I don’t recall any Ferguson miscues last season so I’ll leave it that he did his job well. The big questions going forward is can Jason Sanders follow up hos All Pro season with another? Who will be the primary return man and if it’s rookie Jaylen Waddle, does Jakeem Grant make the cut? Also, if Jaylen Waddle is the primary return man, do they scale back his work at WR? It’s a lot to ask from a rookie because they have double work, but I would hope Waddle is up to task. Personally, I hope Waddle is part of our return game, I can’t wait to see that. Will new punter Michael Palardy help our field position battle? Haack was unspectacular last season but I thought he did a good job here. Obviously the Dolphins were looking for better and hopefully that’s what we get from Palardy.
The Xavien Howard holdout may affect DB Noah Igbinoghene the most. If he’s the guy that will be counted on to replace Howard, I’d almost guarantee his days as a return man are done for at least this season. He will be working hard to be up to snuff filling some tremendous shoes if the Dolphins can’t work things out with Xavien Howard. This is a huge issue to keep an eye on. You don’t replace 10 INT’s and in general shut down coverage easily and we all saw Iggy struggle last season. I don’t doubt Iggy will be better, but it’s a lot to step in for arguably one of the best corners in the NFL. We’ll see what happens on that front.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Cav, what ya don’t understand is Ramsey doesn’t pass the eyeball test.
That’s my knock on him too, reminds me of Revis in that they let him get away with holding and PI a lot
Ken says:
June 24, 2021 at 9:18 am
No they don’t. X is always #1. I was listening to Solomon Wilcotts on NFL radio talking about this very issue especially why X gets so many ints. According to Wilcotts it’s because he is always lined up in single coverage so opposing QBs will still throw at X because of the single coverage against the other teams #1
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I have seen them doing it both ways so really yall are both right. There have been games where the team had a number 1 WR and the rest of the WR’s were average maybe good but not great and they island’d the tiop WR and stuck X on him, but there were other games where it wasn’t like that. I think they play it to the situation, but X is their “island” DB and especially if the matchup calls for it, they stick him on the number 1. I don’t think this is a condemnation of Jones, skill set matchups can just be such that X is the better guy for the job. I do know i saw more play your side this past year than before, and Jones is a major part of that.
Shocking they change it up
Phinsiders were talking about Wilson being on the outside in a Nascar package with Fuller and Waddle in the slot.
Lots of possibilities
A redzone package might include Gesicki, Parker, Williams and 1 of Fuller, Waddle, Wilson with Gaskin or Brown
Don’t think it was a fluke a couple of years ago, when the Rams got into the SB, because of a non PI call.
Last year in their game against Dallas to open their new stadium, they got a couple of calls to save the game.
This year their schedule includes 0 games against teams coming off of a bye or Thursday game, believe they’re the only team that had a winning record last year that you can say that about.
And for the record I’ve always been a pseudo Rams fan, one of my secondary teams I root for
I like all the Florida teams, its my home state and outside of them playing the Phins, when i want them to be embarrassed by us, ill pull for them over most teams even with Brady at the helm, which i do caption as unfortunate.
Saint are not a team i love, but at least in the past few years i have sorta pulled for them, but all this black and gold and fluer de lis floating around here just kind of rubs me wrong, not like a full on rash but definitely scratch worth irritation.
Outside of that i have a few hate teams but the rest are just “whatevs”
Like all the FL teams too, just the same as you mentioned, the Saints I like too, but maybe at a 3rd or 4th level, and that may change this year now that Brees is gone and Bush is long gone
IMO Jones is a great FS prospect because his strength is in zone coverage. He reads and reacts very well meaning he can jump passes, but he is a little weak in man coverage, though with that coverage speed he closes on the play fast enough to compensate. At CB this ends up being a lot of pass defended, because he plays the throw well (probably was a receiver at some point in his football life) he just is catching up so he isn’t in the best place to get both hands on it and maybe he is shitty at catching the ball, ie why he is no longer a receiver lol.
I think as a Zone CB he is elite, as a man receiver he is pretty good and press for him is neither weakness nor a strength. He isn’t going to rack up INTs but people are always going to be wary of throwing to his side because he is smart, he does read the play, he is generally in position to make a play on the ball. He baits the QB a lot too. Ill also add that since that’s a skill that X has picked up since Jones has joined us, I’m certain that he is also helping X up his game.
Jones isn’t a fail as a pickup, his game just isn’t numbers gaudy as was seen in his previous years, but there is a reason he is considered worthy of the money we gave him in FA, so stopping short of praise for the guy seems unwarranted. He is a good CB.
4 ints in 6 years not an ideal FS imo
Ya have to look at the game he plays, and at FS the game he plays likely leads to more ints, but again, that’s at the sacrifice of a good CB who can keep that area as a threat to throw to, forcing the ball back out to other areas and people who benefit of them throwing away from him. If it was all about stats he would be a moderately well payed CB, but its not its about his game and its good.
That int stat just jumps out to me. I have a hard time and I think it is my about his ball skills
His stat that jumps out at me is the few number of balls thrown his way
A reason to keep X is one day he’ll make a great FS
Fuck’em. Let him sit for the year or trade him to the shittiest team in the league.
Yeah, fuck ’em
He’s probably only going to play 6 games this year anyways
He gets his cash from his signing bonus in 2019, then plays 5 games, he should be paying the team back for games missed, because of his knees, before the team should feel like upping him
” The team’s decision to extend other players has resulted in Howard become “even more dug in.” — he’s got 4 years left on his contract. Why should Howard care?
Unless the Dolphins come up with a solution, they may have to get by with a full roster of not Xavien Howards.
like Nike says
JUST DO IT
almost bought a Howard jersey. Glad I didn’t now.
Im still waiting for the words to drop to lay down any strong feelings to move on. Im still holding out that there will be no holdout and he will put on his equipment and honor the contract. If the dolphins give him a contract adjustment or not, im on the teams decision, im just not anti Howard over the want to get that contract changed, he did out perform it and it is a limited lifespan career. There isnt anything wrong with him wanting it re-done. Holdout id where he basically is bailin on the team, thats where im going to feel different about all this.
He knows his knees are bad and this could be his last chance for a big pay day.
Think it was a coincidence He signed a 5 yr extension?
Would He have done that, if his knees were good?
He wants to have his cake and eat it to, by signing in 2019, before his rookie deal was up, He got 6 yrs insurance on his knees
Might be 1 Howard gone 2 years in a row
I’d tell him, if you want more money we can add some incentives, if that’s not acceptable, you can play your current contract out or sit out
LOL @ D about the eyeball test. I know you’re just goofing even if Steve missed it 😉
Yeah, for the last couple of years he is consistently the best shutdown CB in the league. He had more snaps than Howard last year and was targeted 30 less times, and only gave up 36 receptions the entire year. And he was almost exclusively on the #1.
I don’t care what Solomon Wilcox says, Howard was not always on the #1. There were numerous times last year, I’d see Jones get burned, and I’d wonder “why isn’t Howard covering their top guy?”
I don’t know what the numbers are, if it was always a cover your side thing, or if they sometimes switched the coverage up, and Howard still got the majority of coverage on the #1 though. I’m sure that happened with Ramsey too though, so I don’t know what the actual breakdown is, and I won’t trust one of those fantasy sites again.
Steve,
You do have a god point about the Rams having a better pass rush than the Fins. They do, and that definitely makes life easier on the CBs. But Ramsey was doing this on a terrible Jaguars team as well. It’s why the Rams gave a boatload of compensation to trade for him then gave him the most lucrative CB contract in the league.
According to this ESPN stat, the Rams had a 47% passrush win rate, the Dolphins had a 40% passrush win rate. I don’t want to spend all day researching, lol, so ‘m not delving any deeper than that.
I personally always thought the complaints about Revis getting away with holding and PI was sour grapes because he was a Jest. Part of the talent is knowing what you can and can’t get away with. I don’t buy that it was special treatment, it’s savvy IMO.
But all that said, as I said yesterday, if you take out injury concerns and non-football stuff, I’d probably take Howard over Ramsey because of the playmaking ability. He’s a good enough cover guy otherwise. I just think you’re wrong on how good Ramsey is. He’s elite.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29939464/2020-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings
Your point was good, not god, LOL
Watched a lot of Rams games last year, the one that stood out the most was the Dallas game, they were taking it to him, from what I can remember and the bills game was about the same.
Stats aren’t going to show you how he looked in coverage, therefore when D mentioned the eye test, it’s what I saw that I didn’t like
That Dallas game was the first game of the season, and he literally gave up 22% of the receptions he gave up ALL YEAR in that game. One game. The Bills game he gave up 2 completions for 13 yds and one of the 2 TDs he gave up all year.
Howard gave up over a 100 yds 3 times. Ramsey gave up 81 yards in that Dallas game, then never gave up more than 50 yds the rest of the year.
I am still of the same mindset about Howard regardless of what attitude he really has. Offer a compromise to make him the highest paid CB on the team. If that isn’t enough, he can play and if he preforms, we’ll take another look next year, or he can hold out and not accrue a year and be in the exact same position next year. His only leverage is distraction and sitting a year and tying up that contract money.
*performs
I’ve been really lazy about proof reading my comments lately
If he’s gonna hold out I trade him. Not just about him. About the whole team.
Plus figure he’ll never have another year like last year….. sell when the value is high.
Do you still trade him if a single 1st is the only offer on the table? I’m not sure I’d do that
That would be a step down the road, but a step before that would be telling his agent to find a trade. Part of which would be them learning what other teams are willing to give X as far as contract. Might be eye-opening for him.
And I figure he is worth a 1st and a 2nd. Might consider a first from a likely first ten in the draft team though….. even if don’t know why they would want a guy on a fairly short window.
See people saying that X is always matched up on the other team’s #1 WR and others that X and Jones just set up on the same sides no matter. It’s pretty funny cause we all watched the games…. as did I and don’t know for sure.
I’m leaning on they just lined up left and right cause figure if X was always shadowing their top stud we would have heard and read about it a lot. Heck — I know Revis did and he played for another team.
I believe X did both based on the matchup, seems to make the most sense, because that’s Flores
^
So by that you mean “sometimes”? Might be right, especially since some teams don’t have a clear Alpha. We don’t.
Cav – I’d take a 1st and a 2nd if they were both next year.and a 3rd the following year.
2022 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd is enough and all I think we can get.
Ramsey was healthier and younger
The Jaguars traded disgruntled cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a 2021 fourth-round pick,
My minimum would be in a similar range, a 1st and 2nd at least. It would hurt to let him go for less than two 1sts though. I just don’t think any team is going to give that and give him a 20 mil per yr contract because of injury concerns.
I think part of the problem is he’s still got 4 years left, so I cant see him accepting any contract less than 4 years even with the bump in per year $$$. A team is taking a big risk for a guy who only has two full seasons out of five.
Part of the problem is that he wants to be paid like the top CB in the league, but no team is going to give him a contract that makes him that….. unless it is real light on guaranteed money.
Yep, that is why I always reference 20-21 mil, and why I’m talking so much about Ramsey. Ramsey is making the top money at 21 mil per yr.
Who doesn’t want to have their cake and eat it too? Like who gets cake without the intent of eating it? That’s such a dumb phrase to chastise people with. It should really be used sympathetically for people with food allergies.
Don’t be such a dick, it just means he can’t have it both ways
I know what the phrase means. I was making a joke. Lighten up Francis.
Lol. Great movie, great quote.
LOL. Old phrase that X has brought to my mind lately is that ““Behind every beautiful woman, there is a guy sick of sleeping with her.” And yeah starting to feel like that guy. 🙂
Ewww you have been sleeping with X????
Not that there is anything wrong with that….forgot to add that lol
X is a handsome man…. just hard to deal with at times.
It’s too bad Bill O’Brien isn’t with the Texans anymore. He’d probably be able to get us three 1st rd picks for Howard, LOL.
“ A team is taking a big risk for a guy who only has two full seasons out of five.”
This why I scratch my head when ever some says he outperformed his contract.
He was the best CB in the league last year. Ramsey signed for $20 mil a year or whatever. And those injury seasons were in the old contract. Guess depends on how you look at it.
If he guaranteed he would play at that level for the duration of the contract, I’d pay him. He’s already missed nearly 14% of the games possible over 5 years. 34% over the first two years.
My suggestion was that give him a whole bunch of incentives that make him the best paid CB in the league if he repeats last year. He does less than that….. he gets less.
No shot Wilcot meant that X covers the #1 receiver every snap literally. He probably meant that he lines up against the best receivers. He doesn’t follow them if they move to the other side or slot every time. There may have been games where he stayed primarily with one guy but this didn’t happen every game against every team.
But part of what Ken said Wilcotts was going with made possible sense. People throw at X cause we leave him in single coverage. #1 or #2 means more balls his way. As his INT numbers grew last year did wonder why he kept getting more chances.
I agree Mike E but his point that is the typical system we play
From Kong:
“I don’t know what the numbers are, if it was always a cover your side thing, or if they sometimes switched the coverage up, and Howard still got the majority of coverage on the #1 though. I’m sure that happened with Ramsey too though, so I don’t know what the actual breakdown is, and I won’t trust one of those fantasy sites again.”
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It was a mix, I’m not sure the mix percentage but i saw where he shadowed a specific guy and where he just played his side, mostly i think though it was a play your side. I was trying to figure out when they did that and when they didn’t, like was it about the quality of the number 2 guy where it literally shut down receiving because we shut down that one guy, or was it due to skillset matchups, ie was this guy a little more physical, so we put X on him, i wasn’t able to figure it out, there were just too many variables and likely its a lot more than one or two reasons..
Marinofan13 says:
June 23, 2021 at 10:41 pm
Krishna, are you out there? What have you to say about this, I wonder?
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LMFAO!
I don’t believe X was put on a team’s #1 WR all the time, at all. I think we played it pretty straight up. Also, I tried to find out how much press coverage X did. I can’t get into all those pay sites. I found some guy from NFL.com who said he played press coverage about 70% in 2019 and dropped down to about 32% in 2020. Jones is a very solid cover guy….but he doesn’t even try to make the plays on the ball like X does. X takes more chance because he’s more savvy in how to hide stuff and bait QBs. Those chances paid off last year. Will they this year? I’d guess around 6ish INTs this year.
9 INTs from last season by Howard….. and man can the guy make plays. Doesn’t show where he lined up, but almost all of them happened on our left side of the field.
WiFi at 35Kft
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/23/report-dolphins-pleased-with-albert-wilsons-early-offseason-showing/amp/
Man this is tragic. Least you’d only wake up for a few seconds till it is all over. Says a guy who goes to sleep each night in a high-rise condo.
It is terrible
Worse for the poor people who got woke up from the first part falling and then it was their turn.
Was this a sinkhole situation?
Usually with a sinkhole they know right away, but haven’t heard any indication it was
Ugh, that’s horrible. No idea where Surfside is at, but I hope none of you Florida guys have family or friends there.
Surfside is a bit north of Miami Beach.
That’s awful!
Backs are against the wall tonight, Steve. I really thought the Knights were going to roll in this series, but they just can’t seem to get pucks in the net.
“When all the dust settles from the audit in Arizona and the potential audits in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Wisconsin, what happens to all these people who are responsible for overthrowing the election? What are the consequences for traitors who meddled with our sacred democratic process and tried to steal power by taking away the voices of the American people? What happens to them?”
“Well, in the past, America had a very good solution for dealing with such traitors: Execution .”
— OAN’s Pearson Sharp, who is a scary guy.
Validity of the claims notwithstanding, traitors (like Bergdahl, etc.) should be executed.
This guy was talking about lopping off the heads of a whole bunch of county election officials, but even with a guy like Bergdahl isn’t locking him up for a good long time enough?
Cav – Started reading Cold Fire. Realized I was reading it again. On the bright side, it has been so long that it’s more like deja vu than a re-read.
Nice! I just started a reread myself. It’s not a series I get around to very often, so I’m looking forward to the little stuff I don’t remember and for the moment Tarrant enters stage left.
stangerx says:
June 24, 2021 at 4:51 pm
Man this is tragic. Least you’d only wake up for a few seconds till it is all over. Says a guy who goes to sleep each night in a high-rise condo.
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There’s a rumor going around that John McAfee (who got “Epstein-ed” yesterday in a Spanish jail) had many of his files in that same building. A reporter even asked the question to a spokesperson on the scene. The reply was: “No comment”.
You know how much that rumor is worth? Who exactly was the spokesperson and for who? Shocking the guy died a few days ago and now his files were in the one building that collapsed. Guess nothing like another conspiracy theory.
Like I stated, it’s just a rumor. I trust rumors as much as I trust my taxes to get lowered, LOL.
How about don’t bring ridiculous rumors up after so many people died? Seems disrespectful.
Guys, when I talk about moving Byron Jones back to his natty Safety position, I’m looking at two things…
1) Moving Byron back to Safety could clear $6M off the books by replacing Eric Rowe. By doing that (along with the inevitable trade or release of Jakeem Grant), we save $10M. This gives us an opportunity to re-sign Gesicki and Ogbah, plus possibly (IF we so desire) to give X a new contract.
2) IF Iggy is ready to man the boundary opposite X, I want to see the best players on the team on the field at the same time… this is a very simple concept. We’re probably going to see of mix of it, regardless. So don’t be surprised to see a package of X and Iggy on the boundaries, with Byron and Holland at Safety. And yes… we’re probably going to see Iggy in the slot at times, too, with X and Byron on the boundaries.
These are mere thoughts, nothing more. I’m not advocating for anything… just thinking out loud. We’re a hybrid Defense, and we will be mixing it up.
I’m afraid Mr Holland ‘already’ has the job
Correct. So if we were to convert Byron Jones back to Safety (losing Rowe), our full-time starters at Safety would be Jones and Holland.
pheloniusphish says:
June 24, 2021 at 4:44 pm
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/23/report-dolphins-pleased-with-albert-wilsons-early-offseason-showing/amp/
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He’s making our final roster.
DeVante
Waddle
Fuller
Preston
Wilson
Bowden
I’d be VERY surprised if these cats aren’t on our final-53.
I think so to, can’t coach speed
What did we do to you that is so upsetting?
We drafted you
We’ve supported you through multiple injuries
We renegotiated your contact a year ahead of schedule
We made YOU the highest paid player at his position in the league
We did that because we, as demonstrated, have always believed in you
We want you to be a Miami Dolphin
I don’t get it but I hope they work it out
Not all the way there, but man am I heading your way.
Nicely said
One more thing X
Don’t fuck up a great opportunity with you this Defense goes to the playoffs
Do you want to be in mf’n Detroit sucking ass over and over forever for a few more dollars
You’re stepping over dollars to save dimes
Stop it already before you look foolish and that’s the path you are on
stangerx says:
June 24, 2021 at 9:02 pm
How about don’t bring ridiculous rumors up after so many people died? Seems disrespectful.
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I don’t know if I’d go so far as to call a rumor “ridiculous”. As you and I both know, rumors can be 50-50. I don’t trust rumors until there’s validation, but 50% of the time there comes validation.
I’m absolutely not trying to be disrespectful, just telling you about a real rumor that’s picked up some steam. If it were so nutty, a reporter would never have asked the question to the spokesperson (authorities) to begin with.
Don’t come after me, come after the SERIOUS reporter who asked a SERIOUS question after a SERIOUS incident. Nobody laughed the reporter off — nor chided the reporter — either. Clearly, McAfee had some kind of connection to the building in order for the question to be brought up.
And, “the guy” (your words, not mine) was found dead yesterday in a Spanish jail… not “a few days ago”… an hour after he was green-lighted to be extradited to the US.
It could be related, perhaps not. Many of the rumors I’ve posted over the years have come to fruition. We’ll see what happens… I didn’t post the rumor as a joke (you know me better than that, Stanger).
In short: don’t kill the messenger.
And do you realize who John McAfee was? Why he was jailed? What he had going? His opinion on the NWO? His Bitcoin matters? Why the FEDs were trying to get him?
IF the rumors turn out to be true… WOW.
Who was asked about the files and why should that person have known they were in the building? If you can’t answer that you are just talking about some budding internet conspiracy theory. No one at the collapse site had any clue about that.
And who is “the SERIOUS reporter”?
You are talking about something not in the news….. seems onus is on you.
The question was asked to the Mayor of Miami…
https://twitter.com/ditch_crawler/status/1408186060543254530?s=20
You can find the whole interview with the Mayor online. Note: the reporter said “Pat” McAfee (football player), but he clearly meant to say “John”.
And sorry for the misquote of “No comment”, when the Mayor said “I have no idea”. Kind of the same thing, though.
ANYHOW, Stanger, this is why I stated that it’s a mere RUMOR (investigation is underway), and I won’t report rumor as fact. Please understand the difference. And not sure why there would be a conspiracy theorist reporter on the scene, just to plant an idea. Don’t know who the reporter is or his paper, but it was an honest question to the Mayor.
Again, don’t kill the messenger.
So the Mayor had no idea what the reporter was talking about and the reporter didn’t even use the right name? And didn’t I hear “there is speculation” in the question? And showed up on Fox. Proof positive.
We’re good… just don’t understand how you couldn’t find this on your own in your own backyard. Perhaps it was censored by the news that you choose to follow? But that’s another topic for another day, man.
It’s been on our news non-stop all day. And not available in a Google search either. Just don’t have the same sources you do. It’s a frick’n conspiracy theory man.
Oh Lord Jesus
Oy Ve!
stangerx says:
June 24, 2021 at 10:11 pm
So the Mayor had no idea what the reporter was talking about and the reporter didn’t even use the right name? And didn’t I hear “there is speculation” in the question? And showed up on Fox. Proof positive.
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It’s made it’s rounds on social media. Doesn’t make it true, doesn’t make it false… the investigation is underway. Again, that’s why I called it a RUMOR, as opposed to fact.
When I say (as I did) that it’s RUMOR, please take it with a grain of salt. Never presented a case for this being a fact.
Look, we’re in the doldrums! I try to find stuff to talk about when there’s a severe lack of football news.
And in this case, there would seem to be a link between McAfee and the very building that was blown up this morning. That’s all. Very intriguing if true.
You base your whole link on that one reporter saying “there is speculation”? It’s not even the kind of building he would live in. And who would blow up a whole building (and there was no bomb) and kill scores of people instead of just breaking in and stealing whatever files they wanted? It just makes no sense.
Yesss, VGK ties it up.
BLAH, Blah, blah
You hated Trump!
Well I hate Biden
well my news is right!
No your news is wrong
Well I’m right!
No your wrong!
I’m a conservative who voted Biden!
That’s an oxymoron!
Blah, blah, blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There I summed up the last 6 months!
For those that missed it?
X is a greatly talented dick!
LOL…. so pretty much business as usual. 🙂
stangerx says:
June 24, 2021 at 10:11 pm
…And showed up on Fox. Proof positive.
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There were many cameras from multiple outlets there to capture the moment, being the Mayor was addressing the situation. Yet, as stated Republican, you want to attack Fox because that was the camera used in the link I sent you?
Wonder what you might have said instead if I posted the CNN camera capturing the exact same moment and exact same dialogue.
Dude… that’s a very weak statement on your part, but you already know that. Can’t kill the messenger, whether it be Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc!
If we see X pick a ball off, it doesn’t matter WHO it was filmed by… X picked the damn ball off! 😉
Was just saying Fox picked that segment of the interview for whatever reason. You get way wound up man. Assume you know that. Who the frick goes into a whole frenzied diatribe about a little point like that?
Believe what you want about how the building went down. Feel by doing so am shaming the families hoping without hope about their loved ones. Just saw some interviewed. So sad.
When 1 side controls the media anything the other side says in conspiracy, so I’d say we’ll over 50% of those so called conspiracies are true
Such as any Hunter story, and everyone has been true
Stanger,
One more thing, and I want to keep it football… I REALLY want to keep X, man! I know a lot of people here are upset, and I DO understand why, truly.
But if we can front-load a new contract for him (making it easier to dispatch him once his knees go out), I say DO IT(!)… but that’s just me.
X makes us better, and I’d love to see him back with us.
Saw Tim make a brief appearance earlier. I sense something amiss with ya, Brother. Hope you’re doing alright, my man. + Vibes
I was down the shore for a few days and went off the grid. Wanted to stay away from the outside world for a few. But thanks for your concern. 🙂
None of us like holdouts but it’s a business and we should all just accept it as that.
Seems like Time was holding out on us….see what you did Tim….. 🙂
Tim not time lol.
I’m with Sonny – I want X to quit crying about $$$ and be happy the team is heading in the right direction, ^UP! Play for a winner, help the team win! Don’t sit out and be a problem.
None of us like holdouts but it’s a business and we should all just accept it as that.
I think it speaks to the character of the player to hold out, everything else is just the business side. I know as a former player, and a person who believe in representing yourself as far as asking for a raise when you feel you deserve it, i could completely go to the FO with a request to work out what i felt was a situation where i deserved more money for what i bring to the team, however i would draw the line at holding out because i would at that point be affecting the wrong people and sending the wrong message to the FO who may then in turn dig in their heels. Still im sure X is being advised on what to do, and again, there is no harm at this point maneuvering the business side of this. It is however as Tim stated, and unfortunate part of this business.
Canadians and Knights going into their 3rd OT game of the series.
3rd game to go into OT
Are all CBs divas today? I don’t remember if 70s, 80s. Different type of football though.
You can play hardball and not be a dick about it. We’ll see.
Talk about publicity stunt or having an agenda…. I see why he’s pissed, but I see (think, imo) he’s being a dick about it.
Well that sucked
Freakin’ Canadians out of nowhere are in the finals
Price has been on fire, he frustrated us after game 1, then the bone headed Fleury sealed our fate in game 3
To the first responders:
Re: Rumors – Sweet. Fucking. Baby. Jesus.
^^^^^^^^ and ^^^^^^
Tim was out collecting piss claims and didn’t have time for you whiney babies.
LOL.
stangerx says:
June 24, 2021 at 7:48 pm
This guy was talking about lopping off the heads of a whole bunch of county election officials, but even with a guy like Bergdahl isn’t locking him up for a good long time enough?
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I think that this all boils down to your stance on death penalty and your basic feeling on this. Crimes of treason have often been very very harsh throughout history, potentially one of the worst crimes you can perpetuate, because it endangers an entire country and its citizen’s lives. Likewise you have the same kind of discussion thought for any crime deemed worthy of death. Its a talking point with no real end/answer since its falls on a persons personal feeling on an intractable issue.
McAfee did not kill him self
Don’t know about McAfee, bu neither did Epstein
son of a son of a shula says:
June 24, 2021 at 8:44 pm
What did we do to you that is so upsetting?
We drafted you
We’ve supported you through multiple injuries
We renegotiated your contact a year ahead of schedule
We made YOU the highest paid player at his position in the league
We did that because we, as demonstrated, have always believed in you
We want you to be a Miami Dolphin
I don’t get it but I hope they work it out
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I gave you my all.
I have risked and received injury for the betterment of this team.
I gave my all even with the future was bleak, and the team had no direction.
I gave you someone to count on, to build around.
I have few years left in this league.
My injuries are mounting, and life after may be full of rehabilitation.
I’m just asking for an adjustment to be made off merit of exception production.
I want to retire as a Miami Dolphin.
solid rebuttal
I think its a tragedy and M13 i think that what Stranger is saying that, like Sandy Hook, taking a tragic situation and turning it into a conspiracy or spreading the theory of conspiracy in such a tragedy is disrespectful to the dead. It almost overshadows the face that people died but turning it into something more. I’m not saying that was your intention but with emotions as they are, i can completely see where he is coming from. Its the nature of tragic situation for feeling like this and statements like that to clash.
Stanger…..damn as many times i have typed that you would think autocorrect would eventually learn lol.
Mine always autocorrects as YOUNG STANGER
Too kind…..
That’s an opinion D and you guys are certainly entitled to that and I’ll respect that.
Now let’s move on to how some other people may view the situation.
MSM often omits reporting certain news items for political reasons and lies about other stories.
With that said those on the other side of the aisle want to know what really happened, and if there was some foul play, then that needs to come out.
You can’t hide behind…well that’s a conspiracy theory or its disrespectful everytime someone questions what happens, because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
The dead should be respected and their families should be entitled to the truth
Truth for sure, but conjecture no. If/When it becomes truth absolutely, run with that story but there is nothing there right now and people are connecting dots not on the same page, not on a different page, hell not even in the same book, but in completely different libraries in different states in different countries from one another.
Also, i think consideration that a person who has his financial future in mind is likely driving the X train. Agents do this all the time because, well frankly its profitable for them. X makes more they make more. This happens a lot with the top guys and im sure the agents are behind much of it, i don’t see the personal condemnation especially since we are no where near a season holdout as of yet.
I have to say taking a lone question from some rogue reporter is questionable at best but then spinning the Mayor’s rather innocent response of “I have no information about that “ to “no comment “ just so that sounds more conspiratorial is dubious
Too kind….
Steve – Do you think the building collapse was just a sinkhole or foul play? Do you believe Sandy Hook really happened?
The Sandy Hook one gets my hackles up.
Have no idea what happened, but that’s not the point.
The point was people have the right to know the truth, and not just what those in power want you to know.
If this reporter is creating a hoax he’ll be exposed, if not let’s find out what happened
The other point is shit really happens, and not every fucking thing has political scandal as the reason behind them. It just gets completely out of control, that every tragedy has a scandal behind it. Double edged sword Steve. Always good to seek information but when you start looking at everything through a crooked lens, there’s a problem.
And for fucks sake, don’t report on it or start a conspiracy theory over it until you can connect the dots. To me it not about the label conspiracy theory its about facts and having them before you represent them as facts or hell even theories. Who needs coo coo theories floating around while investigations, one that are truly looking for the facts, are ongoing..
Aware things actually happen, but like in this instance, it was said that McAfee had an apartment in that bldg, if true then there’s your ground to wonder about foul play.
There’s a problem, when you have a biased and corrupt media, until that’s at least better, then everything you deem important should be looked at
D, do you expect the facts to magically appear?
He’s a reporter, he goes out and asks questions, kind of what they do
I looked to see if that was a true statement about Macafee having an apartment there and i find no reputable news resources stating that. That, however would be a connection, but again, where is the reasoning for collapsing the building. If it was documents stored there, just fucking jack the documents, why glow up a whole building of innocent citizens? If there was proof he was there, wouldn’t someone already have gone there in look for the documents in a way that was much more covert than downing a whole half of a building complex? Still even if its true he had an apartment there, you have just moved me to step two of the questions, its more plausible now but you are still a ways off getting to point B.
Styeve, no problem with the investigative side of reporting, but you don’t report until you have facts. Asking questions fine, but if all ya have done is asked the question and supposedly gotten a refusal of answer, why do you start tweeting and/or reporting as if there is something there.
Sorry, i butchered your handle…..Steve i meant.
If he died one day and the next day the bldg collapsed…authorities don’t move quick enough to have recovered the documents that fast in general
Do you guys get my point about why this fucking world and humanity specifically needs a “snap”
Just to be clear, my stance on conspiracy isn’t that all are false. I don’t know if i think its 50/50 like M13 but i know some are quite plausible and even true in some cases, but ones like this,
Conspiracy 1, Macafee, possibly murdered in a Spanish prison, made to look as a suicide, ok i am reasonably convinced there are facts here, i think this one having merit, the facts known of at this point lead you to believe there was foul play. Conspiracy 2. The building collapse is associated with his murder and the “cleaning up.” of documents. The part i don’t see how you get from point A to point B on is how it relates to this building collapse. Did Macafee rent a space there, why there, what’s his connection to that building, or an associate to that building,. There was no fire, so wouldn’t you be directing people to the documents that were hidden there. I mean a bunch of rubble on top of it doesn’t destroy the documents. The collapse actually would bring authorities to the scene making it more likely you couldn’t be “unseen “as well as you could have had you just grabbed all the documents, shredded them inside the private apartment and walked out like you were taking out trash. Where are the facts needed to start ya down that thought train, because that’s a HUGE leap at this point. So to me, this needs research, this needs proof and it certainly needs proof before mixing it with the tragedy of so many innocent civilians losing their lives.
So im not hiding truth behind the label of “another idiot conspiracy theory: im saying truth seems way out of reach for this specific one.
A rule of logic:
Occam’s razor, Ockham’s razor, Ocham’s razor (Latin: novacula Occami), or the principle of parsimony or law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that “entities should not be multiplied without necessity”,[1][2] sometimes inaccurately paraphrased as “the simplest explanation is usually the best one.”[3] The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian who used a preference for simplicity to defend the idea of divine miracles. This philosophical razor advocates that when presented with competing hypotheses about the same prediction, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions,[4] and that this is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions.
Similarly, in science, Occam’s razor is used as an abductive heuristic in the development of theoretical models rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models.[5][6] In the scientific method, Occam’s razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives. Since failing explanations can always be burdened with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they tend to be more testable.[7][8][9
Thats why i went for sinkhole because they are all over the place in South Florida, this is the devastation they can cause, etc. Im all about this theory, while also believing that you do have to dig and not give up on the truth, were you not to find any of the simplest and more plausible routes are not producing results.
Seems to be a very probable explanation. Of course it’s need to be bourn out by proper investigation. I am guessing there are likely secondary and tertiary causes as well as there often are in situations of catastrophic failures
Seems awful strange, that this bldg was up for its 40 year inspection, with engineers already looking into the structure, that it would collapse like that without foul play.
It could have just collapsed, but don’t you think the chances it did don’t seem likely?
No
A rule of physics often applied to logic:
Entropy, a measure of disorder, explains why life seems to get more, not less, complicated as time goes on.
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All things trend toward disorder. More specifically, the second law of thermodynamics states that “as one goes forward in time, the net entropy (degree of disorder) of any isolated or closed system will always increase (or at least stay the same).”[1]
Entropy is simply a measure of disorder and affects all aspects of our daily lives. In fact, you can think of it as nature’s tax.[2]
Left unchecked disorder increases over time. Energy disperses, and systems dissolve into chaos. The more disordered something is, the more entropic we consider it. In short, we can define entropy as a measure of the disorder of the universe, on both a macro and a microscopic level. T
Ive actually had courses in Thermodynamics and the tories are applicable to a lot of systems not just exchange of heat and energy.
To me adapting this to the current issue, weakening of the structure from expansion and compression weakens the structure and to a higher degree as each unit of time passes. 40 year inspection isn’t a just random number its by way of science, with regards to the principles of thermodynamic that these numbers are set. Type of material, its degradation rate, taking into consideration of numerous facts from environmental averages, amount of heat and cold in a region yearly, extremes of those ranges, chemicals that might also degrade the structure like salt water in the air, etc. etc. It not only goes into the design of the buildings and materials used, but also into the time-frame that an inspection should be done to ensure accuracy in the postulation of those timeframes, ie did our calculations right true and is the building still structurally sound and aging properly. Because there are so many factors, like tropical storms and their effect on the structure etc, sometimes the calculations of these inspections are off and as a result collapses happen.
Now i don’t know, the timing is suspect if the inspections were happening right as the collapse happened, maybe something they did as part of their inspection was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak, i don’t know, but to me the fact it was up for inspection, through the rules of thermodynamics and how its used to set those dates, lends me to believe that might lead to more of a scientific cause for the failure and will not support the more nefarious assertion.
My point in posting is that most conspiracy theories are bs. Because the level of control necessary makes it impossible for the secret to be kept. Too much order has to be imposed which increases the amount of disorder
Yeah application to the conspiracy, i can see it, i just generally associate thermodynamic theory to be in relation to construction of engineered systems, that’s why i was studying it in college.
Of course it applies to construction as well
Maybe, but I’d bet in the last 5 years we’ve seen more conspiracy theories turn out to be true, than at any other time in our life
Is 4 still the latest death toll?
I look at it more like 159 still missing and 4 dead means 163 presumed dead.
There may be some that wondered off or just haven’t been accounted for yet, but anyone still inside the rubble don’t have much of a chance now
i think that is a very likely scenario at this point because im sue most who lived there have had other family members contacted and given the time passed, most would have been found were they not in the rubble.
Ill be honest, IMO, very tall structures have no place on land where the water table is as close to the surface as it is in South Fla. something you cant control happening under the feet of the building shifts just a little and the whole foundation becomes weak and as a result the structural integrity fails. The same reason you don’t have many basements in Florida is the same reason you shouldn’t be building tall structures there, putting massive weight on very narrow footprints. Take a finger and push it down into sand and it pushes down easy, spread your palm out and push down and it resists. Simple theory of why you build out and not up in Florida, or should, not to mention the flat sea level topography is bad for straight line wind gust. Place a pencil in the sand and blow on it, it topples, place a cube of wood of the same weight, blow on it and its not going to move as much.
Ken says:
All things trend toward disorder.
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in Tuas case you are correct.
LOL
LOL
The theory doesn’t state that it can be circumvented. If you believe in Flores, then you believe in the fact he can intercept and revers disorder in his system. The study of this theory is to plan for reversal or what factors are needed to prevent this disorder in the closed system your investigating.
Property tax information, including ownership, is public record. If the guy owned an apartment, then it’ll be found in the tax roll at the county tax collector’s office. Or was he keeping this important, highly sensitive information in a rented apartment he doesn’t even stay at?
A real f^cking journalist would research, then present findings if there is something there. Asking the mayor is just a joke and an obvious ploy. Why would the mayor have that information? But hey, the fact the mayor couldn’t answer no, and a legitimate news company has the question captured on camera gives it just enough steam to make it a narrative *poof* out of thin air. Now you can create a rumor off that one question.
Then people who want this to be true start parroting it everywhere on social media, things get twisted, and instead of talking about the horrible reality of the situation, and the real impact on the people it affects, the entire conversation becomes speculative conspiracy theory with no basis in any substantive facts. But it’s only the mainstream media creates false narratives…
I know Kong that information is pretty easy to find
Well and this too, if they knew he had stuff there, and he has had ownership for a lengthy time, im assuming since he has been in jail a while, then why wouldn’t they have already done this, even if you do buy into the extreme of blowing up a whole building to destroy documents in one apartment.
steveccnv says:
June 25, 2021 at 12:00 pm
Maybe, but I’d bet in the last 5 years we’ve seen more conspiracy theories turn out to be true, than at any other time in our life
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I don’t doubt this is likely true though i cant confirm or refute it. Politicians in general have stepped to a level of distrust that it not only likely creates more thoughts of conspiracy but also the number of valid ones.
It’s a statement without any sourcing. What conspiracy theories are being referenced and how are they are being defined as true or not? What is happening and I know there are studies out there talking about this is that people are believing in and or accepting more conspiracy theories now than in years before
See crazy lady video above we have a rampant, what i hesitate to call mental illness issue, but more of a rationalizing of the irrational.
i’ve built buildings on the beach, there are cages, round columns made of heavy rebar bound by spiral wire deep into the ground supporting these towers, and S FL is very solid ground, most of it is solid rock, you would need a chipping hammer to dig a 3 ft hole. i doubt it was a sinkhole as unless it is a waterline break sinkholes are very rare in S FL.
seems to me to either be subpar constr or engineering.
I suspect poor construction is a factor in the collapse
Looking at the picture of the building and 55 of the 136 units collapsed.
I’ve never seen a sinkhole act in that manner, where it took down part of the building.
Something structural at the base appears to have been compromised
Just depends on where it opened up, it could take half a building, look at all the pictures of where it took half a house. Also the other half of that building did fall after the first part well and my thought was that the hole opened up under the first half, and then the cave in pulled earth from under the second half causing it to then collapse as well. Now im pretty sure we would have heard sinkhole by now if it had been, that’s my only thought for refuting the theory, but sinkholes do the above all the time.
yeah but…..
the water table just below that can be full of water, therefore adding stability or they could run out of water through a lot of factors, causing there to be hollow spaced under the ground. This isn’t just true in Florida and giant fissures in the land, not just sinkholes have been created in hard, mostly clay landscapes. Chipping through it isn’t an issue you have basically thousands of tons of pressure on a small spot pushing down on what now is a hollow substructure. The sinkholes are mostly in swap regions and this qualifies.
You are in ore northern or central Florida, way different landscape but even if it was solid there, you know the water table is not far from the surface and that’s true for the whole state. I grew up in north Florida we had a lot of pipeclay under the top soil, its hard as fuck too but the slab foundations in those areas are always needing to be adjusted because they are sinking and that’s just the weight of a house and mostly ranch style houses, more long than tall.
Not that i don’t appreciate your experience, but I’m from Florida too and i think your discounting what the majority of the state is like. Its prone to these kind of issues and i personally think is folly to build tall building there.
There is also documentation that the building was sinking specifically in studies done between 1993 and 1999
I did the Rebar for the Summit in HLWD FL back in the 80s, that’s right on the beach, we had no water issues and buried cages deep into the ground, that condo that collapsed is not near the beach, it is near biscayne bay.
ground is very solid.
you can bet either the contractor or engineer is at fault and both could be facing serious jail time if they are still around.
The condo was right on the beach, what do you mean it was on Biscayne Bay?
Is the ground different in Miami Beach, than it is in Hialeah?
We used to dig in our backyard in the 60s, we’d dig down 1 inch and the sides would collapse from the water level.
We had an inground pool, it was dug out with a shovel in a few days, that ground surely wasn’t rock hard
if anything it should be worse, because its closer to the swamps and the water table as a result is very close to the surface.
D says:
June 25, 2021 at 12:07 pm
The theory doesn’t state that it can be circumvented. If you believe in Flores, then you believe in the fact he can intercept and revers disorder in his system. The study of this theory is to plan for reversal or what factors are needed to prevent this disorder in the closed system your investigating.
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it’s like buying a lemon, the only way to circumvent it is to sell that lemon to another sap.
put it in your sweet tea or make some lemonade
we did, Jacoby Brisett
or put the lemonade in your sweet tea and have a Arnold Palmer.. The prospects for that lemon just tripled lol.
The sweet tea has to be fresh, not past it’s expiration date and full of mosquito larvae.
Lol i hate rotten tea taste, one of the worst things is to get tea that’s kind of old and get a big chug of that taste (hell for me even a couple days is pretty much there)
the base of that structure is made of cages and grade beams, very heavy rebar, the fact that building seem to split in two tells me it was human error
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet, but I read yesterday a guy who’s company did a study on this building in the 90’s and showed it was sinking a few millimeters every year. The guy said he had no way of knowing if the building continued to sink or if the collapse could be attributed to it.
I don’t know jack squat about construction, engineering, or if this is a common thing. But 30 years, if it did continue so sink a couple millimeters per year, could that account for enough structural weakness for a partial collapse if part of the building was sinking and the other wasn’t?
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/florida-professor-surfside-condo-showed-signs-of-sinking-but-that-alone-wouldnt-cause-collapse
That was the guy I read about. It’s funny, the first paragraph, the article writer states unequivocally it wouldn’t be enough cause on it’s own, then he quotes the actual guy who says it ‘likely’ wouldn’t be enough, which in my mind leaves room for it’s still possible.
But from what you’re saying above, shoddy construction probably played a part, and you know way more about this than me.
Still if it was uneven sinking, etc, it could destabilize the structure and be why the first half went and the other half didn’t, at least initially.
Ken just mentioned it a little ago, above.
Yeah, that was a few minutes before my post.
Arnold Palmers FTW.
On an unrelated note, you guys ever watch these slap fight competitions? lol
Not until just now
Ive seen a few of them they are kind of funny, and lets just say, you could probably let a few of them take a whack at you to by pass dental surgery for tooth extraction because they could probably slap ever tooth straight out your head.
maybe it was the wet ground, i’d bet a lot of those condos around that area hit the market now
if you buy one make sure it comes with a hard hat
So good place to buy cheap beachfront property?
Be sure to pay for it Bitcoin
My kind of slap fight:
I don’t know what they are saying, but actions speak louder than words, lol.
It also sounds hot with a Russian accent
Mike,
Bosch final season dropped today. Only 8 episodes instead of 10.
Definitely gonna watch it, one of my faves. We’re watching “Your Honor” with Bryan Cranston on SHO. Good show, but dark, as per usghe these days. Everything seems to be dark man, it’s strange.
If the building in Surfside was still standing and one in Las Vegas collapsed yesterday instead….. Macafee would have had documents in an apartment there as well.
He has them stashed in many structurally unsound buildings all over the country
And it’s frick’n Mcafee. Wouldn’t he be a stored on a secret cloud and if you get the password wrong 3 times they go poof guy?
That’s him
Not true hidden documents here are kept in Italian restaurants
The ones with the Frank Sinatra booths?
They don’t have him in the top 5 CBs. You want to put him behind Alexander and Ramsey, ok, I can see that, but Callahan and Bradberry over X, wtf?
https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/6/25/22550552/miami-dolphins-pff-top-50-players-2021-xavien-howard-snubbed
“Somehow, he is not in the top five cornerbacks in PFF’s 2021 projections.”
“Jaire Alexander, Green Bay Packers (14th); Jalen Ramsey, Los Angeles Rams (16th); Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore Ravens (29th); Bryce Callahan, Denver Broncos (36th); and James Bradberry, New York Giants (47th) all made the list over Howard. Ramsey was a First-Team All-Pro selection last year alongside Howard, while Alexander and the Buffalo Bills’ Tre’Davious White were the Second-Team selections.”
As if they know what’s going to happen. LOL
So a building can’t collapse without something more nefarious involved? I have no idea what happened, but like Mike said earlier, not everything has some conspiracy attached to it.
What would be so secretive in John McAfee’s apartment that destroying a building and killing many innocent people was the way to go? McAfee was a fugitive because he was a suspect in a drug ring, obtaining illegal firearms, a suspect in a murder and tax evasion. What did the building in Florida have to do with any of that? He avoided being in the U.S. for years.
Believing in conspiracy makes people feel special like they have some secret knowledge that others don’t. It is a way of establishing their superiority over others and explains events that doesn’t fit their world view
That’s right we’re going to be Omar the super hero for the day.
All we want is a conspiracy theory and you wouldn’t give it to us
Big ole meanie
https://time.com/4965093/conspiracy-theories-beliefs/
LOL at Steve
You can put out there all the generalized conspiracy articles you, but that doesn’t prove anything
There’s a difference in believing in conspiracy theories and wanting the truth
Some people just want to bury the truth
Don’t remember anyone believing in this McAfee stuff, but if there’s some evidence out there they should look at it
Don’t you want the families that suffered to have piece of mind, to know what happened?
I don’t want the families who experienced an unspeakable tragedy to be subject to other peoples bs agendas chasing rabbit holes that don’t exist and inflicting further emotional injury upon the victims just like Alex Jones did to the Sandy Hook victims families
steve — the families right now are hoping that their loved ones will be pulled out of the wreckage, even if they know it is very unlikely.
Do you really think they are worried about the McAfee angle when there is nothing that shows he’s even been to the place? And no , someone saying he has been on the internet is not showing he has.
Do you think the families are paying attention to any of this McAfee stuff? No
This is for after the grieving is done.
Wouldn’t you want due diligence done, if you knew someone that was killed there?
If it’s all bs it will come out as such, but with how our media and politicians are these days someone else has to dig into this shit.
It’s like you guys are afraid of what might be revealed
Steve I believe in doing thorough investigations based upon fact and evidence. I don’t believe in making unverified statements unsupported by evidence and or fact without doing even a modicum of research.
Matthew Mcconaughey is a serial killer and had three bodies stashed in the condo he rented there (rented so his name is not the tax records and the owner he rented from died in the collapse so no trail). He brought the building down to hide the evidence (the victims were all residents so natural they died when the building went down and are found).
It’s been said on the internet steve. You think the families want it investigated?
Steve disputing the theory on conspiracy theories. LMFAO!!
Found this interesting from Ken’s article, even if processing how to use it.
“Recent research suggests that the worst way to change the minds of the conspiracy crowd is to criticize or, worse, mock their beliefs. That only puts them on the defensive, making them less rather than more likely to change their minds.”
That ship has sailed my friend. There’s no going back now, and that’s fine. Just have to pick and choose what you want to discuss with them and to what extent.
What research? I say call out all the bullshit. Enough is enough!!!! Fuck it!
Krishna — point is that is not the most productive way to go…… unless looking for flame wars.
Quoting Alfred in the Dark Knight: some people just want to watch the world burn
You guys believe all the bs the media reports, and if they don’t report something, then it’s conspiracy theory.
I on the other hand only believe what makes sense to me
Stanger that’s a general principal
“I on the other hand only believe what makes sense to me.”
Never been a doubt in my mind about that. Even if that means the selection bias is most clear.
I believe in facts and evidence Steve. That is nature of my profession. It is not what the media reports but rather what are the facts?
What makes sense to you?
That a building possibly 40 years ago (that would be 80s) with various inspection codes at the time in FL, payoffs (corruption), and inspected in the 90s had faulty construction on the ocean and was know with public reports that there were issues, i.e. sinking, or some bullshit splashed on the news thinking it was a cover up by killing people while sleeping. Wow, love the rabbit holes and the drugs you people are doing….lmao. Please share.
How does that make sense to anyone?
For some of us 2 + 2 = 4. For others, it’s higher math.
Maybe, I’m wrong. I do know it’s too early to tell so shut the fuck up. RUMORS…..
Isn’t there a song, Dirty Laundry???? forgot the name of the band. Or, sounds like a bunch of little girls and the one with the best story wins. LMAO….
It’s just wrong, imo.
I don’t believe the conspiracy theory in Surfside, just said let’s see what the facts reveal, if there are any.
What do we have to lose, if someone thinks he has a story and does some digging?
Steve – Here’s the funny thing. No one here is stating that whatever the news reports or purports is 100% factual or w/o bias. I have said here numerous times that most news channels have a liberal bent to their reporting. On the other hand, subscribing to every possible villainous theory that circulates and posting it here tends to make others think that you’re all behind it because you posted it. Your defense of those theories further illustrates that you are indeed behind them and invested in them. Just calling a spade a spade. Am I wrong?
Wow Mike! So that’s what you took from what I wrote, SMH.
I’m being facetious when saying everything the media says and you take it at face value, then you do the same thing when saying, “on the other hand, subscribing to every possible villainous theory that circulates and posting it here tends to make others think that you’re all behind it because you posted it”.
Even biden doesn’t switch sides as much as you do
Fucking Matthew Mcconaughey. I knew he could not be trusted. I mean ever since he did those bulls shit tv car commercials
McConaughey is crazy as fuck, I don’t trust him at all. I don’t trust any of these Hollywood nutballs.
He is but was just riffing with what Stanger posted above
He always seemed cool enough, even if a bit out there. But came out he’s a frick’n serial killer. Read it on the internet from a source I trust. I mean maybe not, but this stuff is normally right when it comes out.
Mathew McConaughey has his signature on the backsplash/wall of my neighborhood sushi hangout in ATX. Mrs. K and I were one of their first customers and one of the first to witness the signature.
Watch the fuck out!!!!
Lmao…….
Riffing with Ken and Stanger for the snowflakes….
LOL
His signature on our sushi hangout is real……facts. And very cool.
Must be a good spot
Now I kind of want Sushi
We loved it…..Jenna, the proprietor, was always good to us. Tyson Cole (I think I can say nationally famous) has Uchi and Uchiko in ATX. Awesome and have taken our office their for events. We take our office for Friday luncheons to Izumi, the infamous killer hangout.
^there
Just look at the dude. You can see what he is just thinking about getting back to Surfside for another kill.
I mean only 3?
lmao!!!!!
3 times and get out in any one place. Too much attention otherwise. Problem is that he always moves into a kill zone without fingerprints. So we only know he actually did it after it happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuCAFqu0-aU
Let’s try this version Mike E….
https://youtu.be/YHimia_Fxzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz0W38edbHs
Say man, you got a joint?
It’d be a lot cooler if you did.
Always dug this tune.
That bass line
This is some of the music that took over the early 90’s rock scene when many of us got tired of the hair metal and new wave stuff. Yeah there was the Seattle Grunge scene but there was a whole lot more going on. Primus was a band that got the crowd going at festivals like Lollapalooza etc. It was a new decade and era. Good times!
One of my favorite groups. Have seen them in concert many a time. Probably one of the better mosh pit groups out there too, at least some of their heavier stuff like Jerry was a Race Car Driver.
I saw them at Aftershock along with Tool, and Slayer (not mention about 15 other bands). They were great live.
Amazing live, and you get to really appreciate how fucking great Les Claypool is.
steveccnv says:
June 25, 2021 at 2:31 pm
You can put out there all the generalized conspiracy articles you, but that doesn’t prove anything
There’s a difference in believing in conspiracy theories and wanting the truth
Some people just want to bury the truth
Don’t remember anyone believing in this McAfee stuff, but if there’s some evidence out there they should look at it
Don’t you want the families that suffered to have piece of mind, to know what happened?
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The slippery slope of it is when the truth is right there in your face and you don’t accept it because you want to believe the conspiracy. I think if your in the middle and just want the truth and believe the conspiracy is an option of the truth, then your good, but many don’t do that, they see the conspiracy as most likely and wont accept any truth other than that one. I don’t think searching out option for truth and reporting the truth even if it seems ridiculous as conspiracy, but you have to admit there are whackjobs out there that take even the most ridiculously improbably idea and run with it as truth even the fact of refuting factual information.
I see there is a page turn, but will still leave you with this nugget. The problem these days is that all words, opinions and reports are valued equally.
Damn i think OCRob just posted everything the stones ever did lol. JK, as old as they are it would take an entire board to post all their shit. They might be the only people to know Rock and Dirt on the same personal level as Mikey.
Man who invented the hamburger was smart; man who invented the cheeseburger was a genius.
Ya know why, but the dumbass that created the hamburger just bailed after his creation, got lazy and forgot how to innovate….i mean it was right there the whole fucking time…….cheese!!!!
BASF
“We don’t make a lot of the products you buy. We make a lot of the products you buy better”
Yeah man!!!