The Dolphins went offense first in the 2021 NFL Draft, selecting Alabama WR Jaylen Waddle with the 6th pick. Is it possible that the next pick, at #18 was even more important to the team’s success in 2021? I believe it is. I think Phillips changes this defense, legitimizes this defense. This defense was close to being elite last season, I think Phillips can put us over the top. We need a true pass rushing threat to allow Emmanuel Ogbah to grow from his excellent 2020 campaign. Shaq Lawson wasn’t enough, and I’ll illustrate why.
Emmanuel Ogbah was tearing it up, he had 8 sacks in the first 9 games last season. Then they decided to take Ogbah out of the picture by double teaming him and w/o any threat from the other side, it lasted the rest of the season with Ogbah managing only 1 sack in the final 7 games, after accumulating 8 in the first 9. Let me be clear, it’s not about Ogbah, it’s about having multiple threats that need to be accounted for by the opposing offense. If Phillips makes an early impact then it will give everyone a chance because it’s a pick your poison type of situation. If they double Ogbah, Phillips will make them pay, and vice versa. Again, this affects everyone though, because this will allow everyone to succeed, including AVG, Baker, McKinney, Wilkins, Davis etc.
So, the question is, will Jaelan Phillips be the difference maker? He had a very incomplete college career due to injuries. Both ankles, and a couple of concussions ruined his Freshman and Sophomore seasons and he actually skipped a year (2019) and transferred from UCLA to Miami in 2020. He had a very nice season for the Hurricanes but that’s the bulk of his college career, one nice season. What seems to be the cumulative scouting report is he’s a gifted defensive player that can play either 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB and his talent and size would allow him to do either well. He has a legitimate pass rush repertoire, and his combination of length, power and speed make him difficult to contain. It seems the biggest concerns are his medicals (concussions). There are also mentions that he needs to improve his core strength and bulk, things they also said about Jason Taylor. He certainly has an incomplete resume, but the talent is clearly there, he was the #1 rated recruit at DE in the country by 247 Sports, who basically set the table for college recruiting. The ankle injuries themselves aren’t a concern and the kid has played through pain. The concussions are the demon that could quickly ruin a player as we saw when we picked up TE Jordan Cameron from the Cleveland Browns. To be fair, there were at least 4 or 5 documented concussions for Cameron and from what I’ve seen, just 2 for Phillips. The Dolphins rolled the dice, and I like the action. I think Phillips is going to be huge for us, can’t wait to see him in our defense!
GO DOLPHINS!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
At least my man David — as misguided as he is regarding politics — REALIZES that this country has been taken over by BIG BIZ (corporations). It started with the Dems about 15 years ago, in order to fight Reps.
Subsidies and the like were afforded, in order to vote dem. And that’s part of the reason why American teachers are trapped into teaching CRT.
cant blame the dems, sorry, the repubs are on the take as well
have to blame both parties, from Nixon landing in China and working out deals for himself, on down to now
its not the parties that run the nation, its the corporations that turn both parties into corporate puppets
Good point, and I cannot disagree. We call them the DEEP STATE.
i call them by name, CORPORATIONS, lol
that way its quite obvious who the culprits are IMO
and BTW< the reason that CRT is needed, is because its important to study the real history, and not sugarcoat it
we cant all live in equality and peace, if the white people are always shutting up any talk of improved relations
America is a melting pot, people from all nations of the world are US citizens, its not a white supremacist nation, and other minorities that are being discriminated against have a first amendment right to speak out, just like teachers have a first amendment right to teach history, without government making laws telling them what they cannot say
Teach history, not opinions.
the majority of school children are non white, so its important for them to learn their entire history, not some government picked half version thats vague, and non constitutional at best
the first amendment spells out citizens rights of free speech, and teachers are included under the first amendment like We are
I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. History is history, it’s not up for debate. It has nothing to do with the color of ones skin. Many years ago it was bias for reasons we know why. But that’s long gone. I learned about how the native Americans and black people were treated in grade school. It wasn’t portrayed in a better light or anything. And that was a long time ago. We even did a field trip to an underground railroad.
Teaching history is just that, just like math or science. It’s not free speech.
hopefully voters will realize someday, that the red and blue parties are not interested in representing us, and make a bold choice on someone that WILL
People realize it all the time and then vote for the same people a lot of the time. Then you have people who only vote for one party every time. Even if some new candidate running seems to make sense on a lot of things but it’s not the right party, people pass and vote for the same shit again and again. We do it to ourselves.
agreed
Tim, here is the first amendment text, congress cannot make laws restricting free speech
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yeah I’m well aware of it. What does that have to do with teaching history? A civics class can be up for debate, but not history unless someone is purposely teaching it inaccurately.
So what you’re suggesting is that it’s okay to teach history inaccurately because of free speech? If so that’s pretty stupid. That’s not education, that’s indoctrination, especially with young minds.
i dont think i said teach history inaccurately, lol but government cant prosecute teachers that teach history accurately, and give their opinions on it too.
have a good evening buddy
Free speech has nothing to do with “teaching” history. It’s not personall opinion, it’s what happened.
Trump ran on his own dime, and small donations, so he didn’t have to payback corporations or anyone, but you allowed the MSM to lie and tell you how bad he was, so really don’t want to hear this bs about corporations
One of the obvious inaccuracies for me by the MSM was when they reported that Trump said there were good people on both sides about the removal of a statue, accusing him of referencing the radical white supremacist group that showed up to fuck things up. He even made it a point to say that’s not who he was talking about. He was talking about peaceful protesters where some were for taking it down, and some for not taking it down. There is video of it that cannot be disputed but they twisted it anyway. What the fuck is that? Millions of people believed it.
lol we dont need MSM to see the evidence that trump is corrupt, on the take,
a liar, and a scam artist who even grifts his supporters and hits their cards multiple times
he got fired, its time to move on past the failure
Those lies are based off of what? Your opinion, cnn’s fact checker, pipe dream…
The NBA is so fixed, how they officiate for the home team compared to the visiting team
How can a team look so bad 2 games in a row, then turn it around and win 2?
This has been happening since the 80s, home court shouldn’t make that much difference
That’s why I stopped watching. The courts are the same, the talent is the same. Yet we see home court dominance all the time.
https://phinphanatic.com/2021/07/14/jaylen-waddle-was-the-best-receiver-in-the-2021-draft/3/
Not that it’s representative of the entire NFL, but there was a slip where the Jags board was seen and their rating of certain players were seen. Waddle had and 8.0 rating, which was the same rating they had for Lawrence. Again, that’s just the Jags but to me knowing another NFL teams scouts had him basically rated at the very highest rank, makes me feel better about the pick because it does semi validate what we saw in him.
There were rumors we had Lawrence and Waddle as #1 and 2 respectively. We knew there was a reason we wanted to get back up to #6. We likely had a drop off after a few guys.
I think we must have had Pitts about the same ranking. Trading back up to 6 mathematically endured them one of three players and I think pretty much had it down to two since outside of Atlanta taking Chase, which wasn’t likely, Chase was about as certain to land in Cincy as anyone. We probably had a strong belief that it was Waddle or Pitts for us and my guess is one was about the same rating as the other si it was a win either way.
Insures
Agreed. We wanted to be in that field of top prospects on our board. Sewell and Parsons were not the target because we passed on both of them. Neither was Najee at #18 right or wrong. We went difference maker speed on offense and Edge rusher on defense. We’ll see.
$60.00 for a sheet of 1/2 inch plywood, thanks Joe Biden.
And 3 bucks a gallon to go get it. Over 8 bucks for one freaking 2×4.
Only $3
i just ordered a 100 sheets however the brinks truck is late for delivery!
I know, right! I went and bought the lumber to build new doors for my shed yesterday. WTF!
I’m putting off couple of major projects hoping this get corrected doo but I’m guessing now that they gave gone up so high, as long as people still buy it’s gonna stay there
On Howard, at least a 1st, but then you’d have to sign him to an extension.
We front loaded his candy ass and now he doesn’t have enough guarantees.
Trade his ass and get what you can, he’s as likely to blowout a knee as he is to get 5+ ints
I think the best trade scenario would be with Detroit. Their 2022 2nd and DE Trey Flowers. Their 2nd might be as high as #33 but my guess will be top 5 in 2nd . Maybe throw in a swap of picks like their 5th for our 6th.
Flowers would be plug and play. He has played in this system his entire NFL career at NE then under Patricia in Detroit. They are planning a position move for him. He is unhappy and wants out of Detroit. He is stout against the run and averaged 7 sacks a season since entering the NFL.
Especially since Ogbah will be a F/A after this season who will probably command the amount of money Flowers is getting in his contract now. Flowers’ contract isn’t up until 2024.
I’d rather keep Ogbah
I’d rather have both with Phillips.
Yeah, wonder what changed their minds
Hypocrites. Not to mention they are totally lost in regard to running the county. They are so fixated on continuing to racially divide the country, staying in power and pushing their Socialist and Marxist agenda.
All we keep hearing is how the right is trying to suppress the right to vote, not sure how voter id suppresses that right.
I’d like to see any one of these gaslighters name just 1 adult in the US that doesn’t have an id.
If you have a job, you showed your id to your employer, if you don’t you showed your id to the state to get benefits.
Enough already with this falacy, the only thing voter id suppresses is their right to cheat
Let’s show the World how weak we have become by using taxpayer dollars to have the UN come in and evaluate systemic racism in virtually the most free nation and most diverse nation in the world.
The left has been pushing racial division for a while. Now they are bringing in an outside entity to try and back up their claims so they can say “See, see we told you”. Guarantee this group who is being paid by the Biden admin will already be told what the results need to be before they even begin.
Of course, it’s right up there with hilllary saying, in the debate, that was a lie, go to my fact checker…
“Stand up for God sake and help prevent this concerted effort to undermine OUR elections”
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Translation – Help us prevent this effort to undermine our ability to fraud elections.
If you look at the Texas bill, there isnt anything nefarious on it. They want to votes to show proof of residency basically, ie provide some sort of citizen identification, be it partial social or DL number to have your votes be placed and probably the biggest change suggested was to mot begin the voting at 1201am, but rather remove the early hours but extend the number of days that they could place votes. It literally is nothing to lose ones shit over, but the Democrats in Texas opposed it and one of them went as far to say in an interview he opposed voter identification. Who the hell would oppose that.
Agree
The question that never gets answered is, is it easier or harder to fraud an election, if there’s no voter id?
To me the worst part of it is the precedence its setting. How many more times is this shit going to happen now to prevent or stall legislation. Also they are pretending like this is the 1960’s and this is as heroic as the stand off on the bridge in Selma, wtf. Oh and Biden touting this crisis as the most important event since the civil war. The rhetoric and hyperbole is running amuck. Biden saying that and then doubling down by saying it wasn’t hyperbole begs for fact to back up his claims which of course he cannot. Nothing can equate hundreds of thousands of deaths when we were literally fighting ourselves to the weak ass bullshit going on today. I mean i might have leaned right before but the Democratic party is losing its fucking mind and making it hard to side with them on anything. Its almost like they are forcing me to think even though i do lean left socially, that thats allying myself to coo coos.
D, the same people that cheated the 2020 election oppose voter id, biden, Harris and the rest of them. What a surprise
Politicians take action based on one of 3 things, in this instance its for power
Biden touting this crisis as the most important event since the civil war.
Agree with that, because if successful they’ll pass national voters laws, which will make it impossible to win a future election without cheating, so in their mind it will be huge
If you’re on the left it’s OK to be racist I guess
Good grief. BLM showing their Marxist beliefs. BLM now supporting the Cuban government and is blaming the US for the Cuban people uprising and protests against their communist government.
It is a race baiting organization of the far left who’s main goal is to cause division and promote their ideals.
The protest are against the Cuban govt, regardless of what BLDM says, and protests don’t make it a crisis, sure there’s some issues there, but it’s being magnified by the protests
Here’s your buddy buddy proof Stanger
If anybody can find proof of a scandal it is Hannity relying on Breitbart and Devin Nunes. You did catch that the main source for their “smoking gun” info was Peter Schweizer, the Clinton Cash guy?
Only actual info I got out of that was that pic had been taken of Joe Biden with Hunter and his Chinese business venture partners. Too bad they insist that the media and FBI are covering up what actually happened. Guess we’ll never know.
If they have the Chinese deal nailed down with wire transfers to Joe, gotta wonder why they spend so much time in that segment talking about Hunter’s artwork. That is problematic to me, but not sure what you can do about it. Not illegal though.
Stanger,
Still not sure why you don’t like Devin Nunes. Did you have prior dealings with him?
I’ve watched him speak. Seen his actions.
It’s the same guy who held a press conference to say he had groundbreaking information about the Russia investigation that he had “uncovered.” Denied it came from Trump. Then came the proof that he’d been at the White House and rushed back with the “breaking news” they’d given him.
He’s also sued newspapers and social media sources left and right for bashing him. Cases had no legal chances of winning and they didn’t. So why do them? Cause he’s a dumb as a stump bully.
Like said — even if don’t like them think Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz are smart. Reason why they pulled Nunes from the impeachment hearings where his position said he should have been. So not just me.
All good, not looking for conflict. Funny though… that’s EXACTLY how I view Adam Schiff. Perhaps Schiff and Nunes were twins, separated at birth.
No conflict on the horizon. You asked a Q and I answered. And Schiff is very smart. Think the comparison would be to Jim Jordan there.
I’m really trying to stay away from politics here, but I’ve got to say, I 100% agree with my Bros BBM, Steve, and ORob above. This country is falling apart at the seams, due to liberal/Marxist ideologies by the 0bama/Biden regime.
Alinsky and Goebbels would be proud of what 0bama is doing.
And YES, we ALL know that 0bama is the one calling the shots… nobody is being fooled by the puppet Biden.
If you ” 100% agree with my Bros BBM, Steve, and ORob” — might have to turn in your independent card. Cause much as I love them….. those guys are hard right.
I’m definitely coming from the right as well, but I do not trust the GOP. Until Ronna McDaniel (Romney’s niece), “The Turtle” Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and Kevin McCarthy are still in power, the GOP will continue to vote WITH their communist colleagues across the aisle.
That stated… YES… it’s time for me to promote changes to the GOP by changing from an Independent to a Republican: I can’t even vote in the primaries as an Independent.
Sounds like you not only want to go from Independent to GOP but also storm in and join the far right folks. I’m the reverse. Only stay GOP registered cause want to vote in the primaries with the hope that will again turn to a party willing to work across the aisle for practical solutions.
Something I just learned… remember our old friend Renaldo Hill, former DB for our Phins during the Saban era? He’s now the DC of the LA Chargers! WOW!
I knew Saban had coached him at Michigan State, hence bringing him to Miami as a player. I never realized that Hill was hired by the Miami Dolphins as their assistant defensive backs coach under Gase, and that he so quickly became a DC. He’s only 42 years old. Kudos to him!
People who come from the Saban tree might not be innvovating defensive minds but they understand the core concepts very very strongly. Those generally make good coaches and pass that knowledge along. Concepts like the ones that Belichick’s defenses have been built around and how ours now are. If you are strong on the base concepts, and you are good at getting individual players to buy into a system of being strong in those and also in focusing on doing their part and not trying to stud out for contracts, your defense can then evolve around those to be more complex and confusing for offenses. Say what ya want about Belichick and Saban but its a line of successful coaching that’s still producing results several generation in.
So much for cherry picking:
D says:
July 15, 2021 at 10:56 am
If you look at the Texas bill, there isnt anything nefarious on it. They want to votes to show proof of residency basically, …….
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No, not basically. Also, there are 2 bills, senate and house.
Restrictions of any sort to legally being able vote is a form of suppression. Some of both bills almost seemed to target Houston’s effort to expand or make it easier to vote.
Why should any bill restrict our ability or time to vote?
The poll watcher protections…wtf is that? For you fearful folk that might come across as intimidating. For some of us, you might get a, “get the fuck out of my face” look. LOL!
Know why these bills are coming out, but state legislatures have a right to set their voting laws unless they go too far. In this case they are taking back making it easier to vote. Still not back to only on the first Tuesday in November. Sorta see it like the spoils of war. Just like redistricting.
We’re years and technology and size away from those days…and I thought I was a dinosaur.
Quite true. But doesn’t mean states legally have to adopt such technology. You do get I would like them too though?
stangerx says:
July 15, 2021 at 3:45 pm
No conflict on the horizon. You asked a Q and I answered. And Schiff is very smart. Think the comparison would be to Jim Jordan there.
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Yessir, no conflict on the horizon is correct. However, I think Schiff needs to be arrested and taken to Gitmo for treason/insurrection… and that’s not based on any ONE action. Jim Jordan? I concur with you on him being very smart.
Good luck with getting Schiff arrested for treason. Don’t see how it could happen, but been wrong before.
Did Schiff not testify that he had absolute evidence that President Trump was in collusion with the Russian government? Welp… he never presented it. If true, then Trump should have been removed from office.
It ended up being a fishing expedition, costing US (you and me!) millions of dollars, and President Trump was not removed from office after Schiff’s soft-coup attempt.
I’m trying to get ya to understand the other side of the coin, Brother.
Still don’t see the basis for being charged with treason….. and you know I am a lawyer. Wasn’t telling you to like Schiff, but treason is a death penalty crime.
stangerx says:
July 15, 2021 at 3:57 pm
Sounds like you not only want to go from Independent to GOP but also storm in and join the far right folks. I’m the reverse. Only stay GOP registered cause want to vote in the primaries with the hope that will again turn to a party willing to work across the aisle for practical solutions.
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I’m not sure “far right” is an accurate representation. I mean, and for instance, JFK would have been considered your “far right” if he ran today.
Just look at how far to the left this country has been pulled, since the days of JFK — a Democrat — in only 50 years.
This country seems to be devoid of common sense (which isn’t so common!) anymore. And while I realize we must change with the times in order to adapt, how much of this nonsense is manufactured? I can tell ya, A LOT: it’s a hostile takeover of American values, IMO.
Also… “storm in”? Not sure I like the way that was phrased, my friend.
It meant you were going from the middle as an independent to the far right of the GOP. Why in the world would you have a problem with that? Common phrase.
“Storm in” has a very negative connotation to it, especially in today’s politically charged environment: see 1/6/2021.
Don’t take it as I have a “problem” with your word usage, take it as… take it as I understand why you were very good at your trade! 😉
So basically you are pulling the PC card. 🙂
If helps any think it came to mind cause you want to kick McConnell and McCarthy out of the party….. the two leaders on the Hill.
D says:
July 15, 2021 at 4:16 pm
People who come from the Saban tree might not be innvovating defensive minds but they understand the core concepts very very strongly. Those generally make good coaches and pass that knowledge along. Concepts like the ones that Belichick’s defenses have been built around and how ours now are. If you are strong on the base concepts, and you are good at getting individual players to buy into a system of being strong in those and also in focusing on doing their part and not trying to stud out for contracts, your defense can then evolve around those to be more complex and confusing for offenses. Say what ya want about Belichick and Saban but its a line of successful coaching that’s still producing results several generation in.
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First off, THANK YOU for the football comment, D!!!
Secondly, you are very correct in what ya just stated: great post!
In Saban’s Defenses, the call always comes in to/from one of his Safeties… rather than the traditional MLB. Very unique technique, and it’s been most successful for Saban over the years.
Yessir, Saban is an INNOVATOR… love him or hate him.
The poll watcher protections…wtf is that? For you fearful folk that might come across as intimidating. For some of us, you might get a, “get the fuck out of my face” look. LOL!
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Both side do this, I’m not a fan of it either, but these provision aren’t one sided. It not like they said that poll watchers for republicans only and according to the interview i heard with one of the democrats that abdicated, they were as concerned witht hat provision, why, because they also have pollsters there.
Also, i do not see why it would be considered a restriction to have vote registration proof, or some sort of citizenship proof to avoid deceit. I dont care what side of the fence ya sit on wouldn’t ya want an honest election with more security to know that votes that were placed were placed by people who should infacvt have that right?
To me that bill isnt a republican or democrat one, its a security one and should strengthen anyone’s claim that they wont legitimately and remove any of the crying that it wasn’t legit. This is a positive on both sides, but they are playing this like a pawn in the game of politics, there is no reason to disagree with restricting votes from people who shouldn’t have the right to vote. Krishna i really don’t see how you oppose it. Change my mind, tell me why i should be against a system of checks and balances that increases the accuracy of the votes cast?
weren’t as concerned
I thought I was clear, D, and addressed your first sentence that it was “basically a prove you can vote bill.” I stated NO it was not anf offered several reasons, i.e. other “basic” provisions of the bill that had, imo, represent forms of voter suppression.
EVERYONE who is legally able to vote should be allowed to vote. PERIOD. End of story. Last I checked, it was in the constitution.
And, I don’t need some goon watching me to see if voted 5,000 times trying to cheat the system.
Basic?
Hmmmm. Not imo.
I remember Saban saying Renaldo Hill was a very smart player. So it makes sense he’s climbed the coaching ranks so quickly.
Yessir! I recall Saban having said that, too. Renaldo Hill was never a great player, but he clearly has it above the neck. I’m proud of him!
Most good coaches were not great players or even NFL caliber.
stangerx says:
July 15, 2021 at 4:16 pm
It meant you were going from the middle as an independent to the far right of the GOP. Why in the world would you have a problem with that? Common phrase.
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And again, “the far right of the GOP” today is to the left of JFK yesterday. What has happened to America over the last 50 years?
Common phrases of yesterday have become polarizing. ESPN reporters have been fired for using so-called common phrases, my man.
The fact that voting is such an issue shows you how fucked up things are. I mean it’s not that complicated. It’s just another political game they play.
It is a political game for sure. Each side wants to maximize their chances in the next election. Been going on for decades. Republicans want to make it harder to vote and Democrats easier. The last GOP candidate still insisting he won has put it on steroids.
Stanger, what do you need an ID for, I ask, humbly? Probably more than ya can imagine, but ya take it for granted.
What’s wrong with asking for voter ID, so that dead people can’t vote, for instance?
Nothing is wrong at all. Did I say it was?
How does a citizen who wants to vote have such a difficult time? You can always mail it in or go to the polls. We all know why Democrats want to make it easier and even lower the age. They like having more subjects that buy into their bullshit. Republicans know their conservative ways (especially on social issues) are on the way out and they have know idea what to do about it. Both sides act like children at the playground. It’s embarrassing.
stangerx says:
July 15, 2021 at 4:34 pm
So basically you are pulling the PC card. 🙂
If helps any think it came to mind cause you want to kick McConnell and McCarthy out of the party….. the two leaders on the Hill.
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Nah, it’s not the “PC card” at all… it’s about POLICY, man. McConnell and McCarthy always side with the communists across the aisle at the end of the day. They are part of the DEEP STATE and RINOs, and are a problem to America’s survival in terms of liberty and justice for all.
They would rather ‘tear down’ than ‘build up’. THAT’S problematic, in and of itself.
What legislation since Biden took office do you have a problem with and figure McConnell and McCarthy helped with? All I see is them blocking proposals.
I’m not talking about since Biden took office… I’m talking about them screwing President Trump from the inside.
OK. So which bills? Keep in mind the Dems controlled the House in his last 2 years.
Message from above? Divine intervention?
I am not one who knows verses in the bible. I do remember something against idol warship. Something about you should not make idols for yourself or close to that.
Well, a building in Ohio with a George Floyd mural on the side was hit by lightning. The building is ok for the most part. The mural covered almost the entire length of the building. The only part of the building that was destroyed was the part that had Floyd’s face painted on it.
That’s what happens when people start idolizing someone who sold their soul to the devil. Meaning idolizing a thug/career criminal.
The man upstairs is pissed.
^ BOOM!
I read the Mayor of Ohio said they don’t know if it was lightning or vandalism and may never know. Really? I think there would be evidence of lightning. My guess is it was vandalism. But I don’t really care. People who have made Floyd out to be some kind of hero are fucked in the head anyway. The cop should not have killed him but Floyd was also a piece of shit human being. This country focuses on all the wrong stuff.
Stanger,
We’re cool, Bro! I’m not ‘debating’ you, just sharing opinions and nothing more. I hope you haven’t taken offense, and know that I haven’t taken offense either. Grown men having a convo, nothing more!
My oldest nephew and I are going to pass the football in the backyard right now. I cannot believe how natural he is! He’s only 11 years old, never played a lick of football in his life (nor was taught how to throw a football), and throws a fast natty spiral for 10 yards at a clip.
I hope to train him to become a very good player, so wish me luck, sir! TTL
Stanger, by your definition you’re far left, but your definition has issues
Far right is white supremacy, far left are those that want socialism
Who on this board are you calling a white supremist?
By my definition am not far left (said exactly where I stand) and never even mentioned white supremacy. You always seem to know what I am thinking. How’d you come up with that one?
Stanger seems to be a moderate/centrist Republican to me. I guess I could fall into that category too but that’s a rare breed these days. I don’t see a lot of moderation in politics these days. So many people are hardcore one way or the other. I find that sad.
People can be far right without being white supremacists. That to me is a fringe group who gets lumped in with other ideologies. It’s crazy that we look at radical fringe groups as mainstream these days. I guess it’s easier in a debate to defame someone when you have the ultimate hate card.
Does anyone here know anyone who is an active white supremacist? Meaning they are part of an organized group and/or movement. I don’t know one person. How can that be if it’s so prominent?
Sounds like a if all A is B does not mean all B is A situation. But heck yeah the fringes get a lot of attention in the social media world. They get clicks.
It’s not just social media, it’s the MSM media too. Extremism is the in thing today. While most people go about their lives, a minority of people tell everyone what’s going on even if it’s all bullshit!!!
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/15/nfl-executives-omit-dolphins-mike-gesicki-from-list-of-top-10-tes/amp/
We all know what Gesicki is and he’s an above average receiver at TE.
Stanger, all your comments are one sided, never have i heard you bash the left and all you do is bash the right, how can that be middle of the road?
When is the last time you bashed the right?
And even if have ranked on AOC many a time, do you have a problem with that for some reason? Just up the board was saying all the voting restriction laws were the rights of the states doing them. Voted GOP 95% in my life. You have a problem with that?
Yeah Stanger how can you be moderate when you don’t cup at least one of trumps balls?!?
If you want to be a moderate around Trump supporters, you have to at least be willing to fondle one nut!
That is the myopic judgment. Don’t like the Donald so must be the biggest leftist around.
4 years of telling liberals they are overreacting to the president talk about using disinfectant to cure covid or buying Greenland is bound to have a psychological effect…
Now you are a lunatic bc you didn’t meet a lunatic halfway…
Piggy,
That’s not fair. There are plenty of crazy leftists that are widely supported not just by the fringe but by media and Democrat politicians. I remember when genetic males weren’t allowed to play women’s sports. Now, you can be fired for even thinking that travesty! How dare you believe testosterone and male genomes are different!
piggy you’re too far gone to help, typical leftism, taking something out of context and running with it.
who wants to buy toothpicks, they’re on sale this week 19.99 each, hurry while supplies last!
If you want to see a video of two people as far from one another on the subject as you can be and yet both make very nice points to support their beliefs this is a good one.
I will be honest in that this trans MTF didn’t change my opinion on things but she did earn enough respect with me on how she handled the situation and the points she made solidify my belief that inside that community you have people where their reality is actually healthy for them, where as I still believe many are struggling with identity and rushing to this to bandaid a problem that is way more serious than identifying as something you aren’t, will fix.
This person’s does well for her beliefs, more so than any other person explaining life and belief of being trans has ever done so before.
Again to me it’s more about the civil discourse than the subject. This is how you bridge a divide, neither changed the others opinion but both had a conversation that can benefit others from rationalize the others perspective. Wish the world had more of this and less of the divisive, I’m not listening to you because you don’t believe like me, we see.
Tim Knight says:
July 15, 2021 at 4:36 pm
Most good coaches were not great players or even NFL caliber.
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Skill set of what makes a great player differs from what makes a great coach. Sometimes it happens in the same person but in general, you are right it’s not.
Just got back from my excursion. That 11-year old nephew of mine can’t catch for $#!t, but he throws a tight spiral with some heat at 10-15 yards!
Played catch for about 30 minutes in this heat/humidity, dipped in the pool for about 30 minutes, then took him to Pizza Hut for dinner.
So sad that his own father (not my brother) won’t even play catch with him. That kid is the happiest I’ve ever seen him in my life… and yes, he’s autistic.
Dunno his dad but having a niece who is in the spectrum as well it’s probably he has fallen in the trap a lot of parents of autistic children do where it becomes so difficult for them facing the fact their child will never have a normal life they almost avoid doing normal kid-parent things. My niece is lucky to have parents who know to combat that as best they can, but it’s a really difficult situation that I really empathize those that have to struggle through that
My mom, her grandmother is like that. She doesn’t know how to deal with her and it becomes very awkward at times and a lot of times she chooses not to interact because of it.
LOL, tim, i’m as middle ground as Stanger.
Again, 95% of my votes have gone to Republicans. Exactly what does one have to do to hit your middle ground?
Again, 95% of my venom have gone to Republicans
there i fixed it
Venom? You are a trip man.
if Stanger and i were on a see saw he would be closer to the ground than i.
Now you are just being childish. Is this a bully thing?
where do you get bully out of that?
You keep bringing it up as a hit but yet never actually talk about it.
this economy will be in ruins soon
Orob
You are completely over the barrel for Trump
Trump practically has his thumb tickling your pancreas at this point
It’s not that Stanger is not a moderate or I am a far gone leftist
It’s that some people had the sense not to meet Trumpism down the middle and were willing to call it out and are still willing to calling it out when other politicians emulate it
Your assessments of politics are always laughable and amateurish
It’s weird to me that both when demonizing the left or the right, usually Trump’s name is in the conversation lol.
It’s shouldn’t be weird if you are paying attention
Maybe we should just bewk up into three groups. The Trumpeters the DTHC and the leavee the fuck out of this group. Lol doesn’t seem that centrist left and right really are appropriate anymore
I mean I get it but it still doesn’t make sense
Have you witnessed any vote in Congress over the last half decade or so ?
Everything is polarized on nearly every subject. We are not
going to make that go away just by hoping people aren’t at each other’s throats
The senate minority leader has said he’s 100% focused on stopping the Biden administration. That kind of talk was unthinkable decades ago.
I think the best we can all ask for right now is for the Republican Party to part with Trump and really give us legitimate options going forward
But they have not parted with Trump. In fact, it’s very much a fall in line with Trump party or get out, at least in Congress.
Pig, to be fair, Paul Ryan stated that he’d do everything in his power to stop Trump… and he did, in fact, succeed. Paul Ryan now sits on the board over at Fox News.
M13
Paul Ryan resigned/retired from Congress bc he was an vocal opponent of Trumps and it caught up to him
Yes he tried to take him on, before 2016 and ever after Trump won in 2016
But Ryan, in my view, understood the writing on the wall, that the Republican Party was the party of Trump now
I think Paul Ryan supports what I am suggesting: that Trumpism owns the Republican Party now.
Kevin McCarthy used to criticize Trump, but now he can’t say anything that runs afoul of Trump
Prescott Bush
stangerx says:
July 15, 2021 at 6:09 pm
By my definition am not far left (said exactly where I stand) and never even mentioned white supremacy. You always seem to know what I am thinking. How’d you come up with that one?
You never mentioned white supremacy verbatim, but you called several of us far right, which is white supremacy
By your definition of what far right means, if I’m far right you’re far left, that’s why I said your definition has issues
I don’t believe all in the far right are white supremacists in fact think most are not. Clear it up?
You label far right as anyone
…you can’t just make up your own definition of something, that’s typical though of the left these days
steve — why does this even matter? I never even put out a definition…. you are the one doing that.
“White supremacy” and “far right” are not synonyms
There are plenty on the left who say that
I am surprised you are suggesting it
Far-right politics, also referred to as the extreme right or right-wing extremism, are politics further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of being anti-communist, authoritarian, ultranationalist, and having nativist ideologies and tendencies.[1]
Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism, today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism, and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.[2]
That kind of feels like guilt by association
Don’t be so down on yourself for your extremism
Me?
You are arguing that just to the right of you is the Grand Wizard….lol
If the far right is white supremacy
What’s leaning a little right? Mildly racist?
I personally see “far right” as much different than “white supremacy”. I don’t know why anyone on the right is arguing them to be the same.
You have me scratching my head here…
That’s not what I’m arguing, you’re further left than I am to the right.
Stanger was saying M13 was closer to those here that are far right.
No one on here is anywhere near far right
Wake me up in September
Huh.
I never understood this song before. It makes perfect sense to me now. It’s the conglomerate noises that go through my head while reading the mind-numbing, repetitive, political squabbling that encapsulates the majority of this blog’s (and country’s) daily conversation. 😉
Get out of my head, John.
(Kong secretly hoping a comprehensive and intense Beatles conversation springs up so he can envision SB7 rolling his eyes and turning on ‘Baseball Tonight’.)
Favorite Beatles song. I will start:
Norwegian Wood
Wow, that is a really tough question. It depends on the day. Right now, I’ll say:
Help
There are so many
Good choice 👍
I’m not a huge Beatles guy to be honest
I went though a phase where I listed to the white album over and over again for like a month
But I never got into the other albums like that
I wouldn’t say the Beatles are my favorite band but they are they are the band that I will listen to anytime
Yesterday
I’ve Just Seen a Face
A Hard Days Night
It just goes on and on. I could easily name a dozen that are my favorite, lol
I saw McCartney in the last show at Candlestick. He did a rendition of Blackbird that was amazing.
I should say the energy in the stadium was amazing during that song. He doesn’t have the voice he used to, so that is what it is.
We can work it out
Another boring subject some people are probably tired of reading, lol… so I made burgers today. When I want to go fancy, I grind my own meat and use a mix of 1 part sirloin, 1 part chuck, 2 parts short ribs. It’s extra work, but the flavor is amazing.
So I ground my meat, formed my patties, let them refrigerate while I make onion rings, pull the patties back out and cook them up. They are almost done when I realize that I forgot to salt and pepper them- FUUUUUUUUCK. (I’m a firm believer in the best time to salt burgers is right before throwing them on the grill.) There is really no way back from that once the burgers have a crust.
The burgers were still pretty good, but nothing like what they would have been with salt and pepper. So holy crap, talk about a rookie mistake. After going through the trouble of kicking them up a notch, I completely blew it, lol.
I like to add some onion and garlic powder along with onion flakes as well. Nothing wrong with a grilled Vidalia onion on top either. LOL
lol, onions are always a good thing
Just not raw for me, unless sliced really thin on an Italian sub. I still can’t do chunks of raw onion or barely cooked onions in anything.
Great News about the Fest — Chef Warren will be doing the tailgate again. He tried to convince me that taking care of his toddler was more important than feeding the crew. But I wore him down till he caved. 🙂
I love Chef Warren but I want Kong as guest Chef
Cheers, Ken 🙂
I’ve never done a full tailgate cook, so I’d love to see how Chef Warren runs his operation and learn from someone who has mastered it.
D, a good example is Wayne Gretzky and Michale Jordan can’t teach what they are.
Kong – Made arroz con pollo boricua tonight. Fantastic.
I’ve never made that one before. Looked it up and skimmed a video on it, I have no doubt I’d love that dish. I’ll put that one on my list.
Just listen to Abbey Road. That’s how good The Beatles were. Here’s a taste.
Too early to call. 😉
You can’t make this shit up
Based on last year’s FAs, that all made the team, does that mean guys like Fluker and Foster are safe?
If this doesn’t scare you you’re already dead
Steve, anything anti Biden around here falls upon deaf ears so why bother? they are too tuned into Trump and shooting bleach.
it’s a mis direction play, give them something to pay attention to, cry racist & white supremacy, shift the focus away from the real crooks.
unfortunately it’s working, especially around this place.
No one cried racism and white supremacy
What the fuck. Show me once yesterday when some one cried racism and white supremacy yesterday
The only thing you guys do is post videos of wingnuts that are easily dissected and then you get mad when some one criticizes and does not match your anger at this week’s boogieman
You don’t even have your own ideas
If you can’t take people ripping into your videos – don’t post them
But if you do, tHey are sitting ducks, as are any videos from anyone with an agenda
I cried a little. But then I was chopping onions, so, you know…
Ken says:
July 15, 2021 at 10:31 pm
I love Chef Warren but I want Kong as guest Chef
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Are you kidding? we’d have bananas dipped in soy sauce!
no thanks!
Stanger & Piggy, even though you’re politically retarded, I still love you guys.
for the guys that wake up in the morning, all pissed off over politics, check your sources, do they want you to be pissed off all the time? then take control of your life, and ditch the sob story sources that keep you angry all damn day
any source that attempts to push us to anger 24/7, is a fearmongering site, and if fear is their agenda, truth also falls victim
they are a cancer to our lives and well being
i cant change corporations, government, none of it, and none of them assholes can make me kiss their ass for screwing us over
i find positive things to focus on, things i CAN change, and make better for My family, friends, and community.
at the end of the day, its a much better life than being pissed off at trumpnocchio desatan , faucci, etc all damn day
i DO care about Your guys, a little bit, lol for what its worth
*You guys
I’m glad you are focusing on positive things
It’s absolutely silly that people get up in the morning and post unsolicited political stuff on this blog
If people do that, it pulls people in and football is never even discussed. It takes over
Do people go to bed white knuckling their own
bed sheets….lol
CavalierKong says:
July 15, 2021 at 10:08 pm
Another boring subject some people are probably tired of reading, lol… so I made burgers today.
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I thought you were going to continue to talk about the Beatles, lol.
how do You make beatle burgers? lol
add LSD to the ground beef
if your sources are left , right , or neutral, they should be factual, and NOT play on our emotions
the playing on our emotons give them control over Americans lives, control they havent earned, and when the government controls our minds, we are reduced to government puppets
its better we dont allow networks, media , politicians control our emotions and thoughts, thats our private property, its who we are as humans
if You wake up angry every morning over emotional news, instead of factual news, they have imprisoned your thoughts, emotions, and will force us to react in ways that they have designed for control of us
its up to us to say, enough!, corporations, politicians, and fearmongers, get the fuck out of My mind,
we can take control of our thoughts, emotions, and actions, and focus on things that We want to do to improve ourselves and our families
Piggy, i speak from experience, lol emotional news was trying to suck me down their damn rabbit hole, like everyone else. im guilty as charged at succumbing to all the emotional drama,
2020 sucked in more ways than one, and i want to go back to My life i had before, but even better this time around
but i find myself asking , as our days come closer to an end on this earth, do We want to leave a legacy for our families of hate and despair, or something better ?
im going for the something better, it sure feels better going this way for now, and i can better Myself and feel proud of what Im doing
Piggy – So you’re saying that I shouldn’t post the breakdown of the contents of the Texas voting law that I spent the last hour preparing? Where were you an hour ago?
That will probably clear up the faux position that it’s about showing ID
That and the other faux position that it is about restricting voting access.
That’s not faux
none of these laws restrict voter access on their face
But the affect of them will restrict access bc it will cause more lines at and in some cases make voting less accessible
And there are enormous differences in how these affect rural vs urban populations
Bullshit Piggy. Nothing in that Bill causes extra lines. Unless you consider prohibiting harvesting a line builder.
Every voter in the country has an ID, the only reason not to show it is to cheat period. This gaslighting about voter access is only believed by the sheeple of the left and those trying to propagate it
I think Howard is gone.
And I hope they trade him to an NFC contender who subsequently falls apart a la the Houston-Tunsil trade while Miami goes on to win the Super Bowl.
I don’t think so
it sucks, but yes, Howard is likely gone, the best Dolphin will make somebody else better
hopefully Iggy channels his inner Howard this year, lol
interesting numbers, Miami has 41 million for cornerback salaries and missed the playoffs
Tampa Bay has 11 million in cornerback salaries, and won the super bowl
maybe throwing the bank vault at cornerbacks isnt the best way to win a super bowl, or even make the playoffs
That’s like something a U75 would say, as if there’s only 1 way to win an SB.
How quickly you forgot the cheats won 6 SBs with this formula.
We had the worst D in the league first half of 2019, and maybe ever, to make it to 2020 week 17 giving up the least pts shows it works
It depends on your system. Pats have always invested the most at CB/S and they have a lot of rings.
Since no one wants to talk about football (except Ken who is posting inflammatory football cartoons), here’s what is in the Texas Bill, from the mark up:
1. Removes dead people from the voter roles monthly
2. Keep a log of all ballots issued and of ballots damaged/spoiled (not issued)
3. Judges can’t remove poll watchers from polling sites, unless the poll watcher is found to be committing election fraud
4. Provides for appointment of watchers to observe the conduct of an election
5. Election officers can’t refuse to accept a watcher for service
6. Watchers can observe the storage and transfer of election data
7. Election officials can’t obstruct watchers
8. A person cannot be in the polling place until the presiding judge arrives on election day
9. You can only drop off your marked ballot on election day when the polls are open
10. You have to have ID to drop your marked ballot
11. Poll watchers can observe the delivery of ballots
12. No bystanders at the meeting place of an early voting ballot board during the time of the board’s operations. People allowed:
a. a presiding judge or member of the board;
b. a watcher;
c. a voting system technician, as authorized by Section 125.010;
d. a county elections administrator only when performing an official duty authorized by this code; or
e. a person whose presence has been authorized by the presiding judge and the alternate presiding judge
13. a person may not be in a central counting station while ballots are being counted. Exceptions:
a. a counting station manager, tabulation supervisor, assistant to the tabulation supervisor, presiding judge, or clerk;
b. a watcher;
c. a voting system technician
d. a county elections administrator only when performing an official duty; or
e. a person whose presence has been authorized by the counting station manager
14. Anyone assisting someone else vote has to fill out a for stating who they are, where they live, why they are helping, their relationship to the voter. And they have to present ID.
15. Anyone assisting someone else vote has to take an oath saying they will not tell the person they are assisting who to vote for.
16. Can’t pay someone to put your ballot in the mail (felony)
17. Can’t receive compensation for putting other’s ballots in the mail (felony)
18. If you assist someone with a mail in ballot, you have to put your name, signature, residence address, manner of assistance, relationship to the voter on the ballot carrier envelope
19. You can’t compensate or be compensated for assisting someone (felony)
20. Defines a bunch of fraud activities
21. Prohibits ballot harvesting (felony)
22. Prohibits counting and/or reporting invalid votes
23. Public officials cannot solicit or distribute mail in ballot applications to those who have not requested them
24. Public officials cannot pre-fill any portion of a mail in ballots application
25. Public officials cannot distribute mail in ballot materials for early voting to those who have not requested them
26. Some enforcement and appeals stuff
27. Assignment of cases is random
ID isn’t a big part of it. Someone point out how any of this restricts or represses voting.
That’s what i was asking Krishna yesterday, these don’t seem to suppress anyone. Im not seeing his angle and quite frankly it wasn’t inflammatory request when i asked him to elaborate i seriously just don’t see his vantage point. I don’t see why its always considered antagonistic to ask a flipping question.
It doesn’t, it does in Texas however prevent the widespread cheating we saw in 2020.
There’s a reason why 27 points are included, if there was no widespread cheating this bill wouldn’t have been proposed
Clueless cultist….
Krishna says:
July 16, 2021 at 8:55 am
I thought I was clear, D, and addressed your first sentence that it was “basically a prove you can vote bill.” I stated NO it was not anf offered several reasons, i.e. other “basic” provisions of the bill that had, imo, represent forms of voter suppression.
EVERYONE who is legally able to vote should be allowed to vote. PERIOD. End of story. Last I checked, it was in the constitution.
And, I don’t need some goon watching me to see if voted 5,000 times trying to cheat the system.
Basic?
Hmmmm. Not imo.
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I’m in 100% agreement with you. All people who have the right to vote should be able to do so.. There is no argument here, im just not seeing how any of the Texas bill changes anything in regards to limiting the rights of that group of people to vote. Also any restrictions or removal of “features” like “drive through voting” would equally impact either side, so i dont see how this is republicans trying to “fix” an election through restriction.
Im not being asinine by asking if you see why it is, could you better explain it. Its an honest request because im not seeing your side of it and i would like to take in a broader picture if there is one. I don’t think if you did in that one post it was sufficient, because it looks like you were saying that any restriction was suppression and that’s absolutely not the case.
“Restrictions of any sort to legally being able vote is a form of suppression. Some of both bills almost seemed to target Houston’s effort to expand or make it easier to vote.
Why should any bill restrict our ability or time to vote?”
The thing im asking of you in my post is to describe why voting at 1am is necessary, what restriction does it put on anyone to vote during regular hours, in the bill they also expanded the number of days that the votes could be cast, so they actually opened the number of hours to vote, not restricted them.
Restrictions are not suppression if your restrictions do not discriminate or prevent a certain LEAGL group of residents from placing their vote and i haven’t found anything in the bill that does that.
The Bill doesn’t restrict voting hours. It just says you can’t start voting until the presiding judge is there. If a district wanted to have voting at 1 AM, they could have that presiding judge be at the polling site at 1 AM.
It restricts early voting hours very directly
It’s restricted to a 12 hour window
The fact that county officials can choose that 12 hour window provides little relief
The whole point of early voting is to reduce clutter on Election Day
If a county has to pick the 12 hour time frame from 12-12 during the week
Then everyone in that county working during those times is locked out of taking advantage of early voting
Which leads to longer lines on Election Day , especially in heavily populated urban areas
There’s no reason to reduce hours at all if they can staff the facility. Why limit hours at all?
That’s just intentionally making it harder on working people in urban areas to vote.
If a county can allocate its own resources and staff the place the state of Texas shouldn’t interfere with that unless republicans in the state of Texas are trying to manipulate results which they so clearly are trying to do
Click to access SB00007I.pdf
This is the actual bill, stop posting summaries
Click to access SB00007I.pdf
Click to access SB00007I.pdf
Maybe the third time is a charm
For the link
Great job Piggy, posting something we have to have you pinko commie lawyers interpret for us lol.
Nope it’s not posting
Anyway it’s on Texas website
I hitch is capitol.Texas.gov
Shit – I posted a summary so I wasn’t clogging up the site. But that’s the document that I summarized.
Do you think I mischaracterized something?
I don’t think intentionally mischaracterized
But i think pulling summaries of it will always lead to mischaracterizations
One thing right of the back that’s not informative is about “poll watchers”
https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/2021-miami-dolphins-training-camp-preview-wide-receivers
We have enough WRs to fill 2 teams 5 deep.
Team A) Parker, Fuller, Wilson, Bowden and Hollins
Team B) Williams, Waddle, Hurns, Grant, and Foster
Either of these 2 groups of WRs would’ve been better than what played last year
Ken – Why do you think they are not trading Howard? Or are you hoping they won’t?
I believe you cannot let elite talent go when you are on the verge of being a competitor. I understand trading away elite talent when you are rebuilding but that is not what we are doing anymore. Trading Howard would set this team back from the strides we made last year no matter what the compensation is. Ultimately to compete you have to retain your top talent
I don’t think their intentions are to trade him but i think they are willing to if pushed to that point. Thats why i keep waiting to hear from their camp that he is holding out, thats when their hand will be forced and i do think that the FO and coaching staff would be willing to ship him if he does that.
It’s artfully drafted to avoid dis domination claims but
This is on page 12
person who assists a voter voting under this section by providing the voter with transportation to the polling place mustcompleteandsignaformthat:
(1)AArequires the person to affirm that the voter is
physically unable to enter the polling place without personal assistanceorlikelihoodofinjuringthevoter’shealth;and
(2)AAcontains the following information:
(A)AAthe person’s name and address; and (B)AAwhether the person is providing assistance
solelyunderthissectionorunderboththissectionandSubchapter B.
If you give some one a ride to the polling place who isn’t a relative, you have to fill out a form that says they can’t make it without personal assistance
I can’t give some one who’s not my relative a ride to vote unless they are disabled
I would love to hear the rationale on how that doesn’t suppress votes
It literally makes it harder for people to get to polls
It could suppress vote, but equally not in a discriminatory way. I say could because there are other forms of voting that people who are in situations such thatthey cannot get anyone to take them, no family members can and no one wants to sign the form, can still get their vote in. How is it suppression when other avenues exist. This is to target bussing to the polls, which at that point the person doing the bussing of people have influence over the voter. Why not just choose another form of voting including the one where you don’t leave your home at all?
Also, this is not enforceable so why the worry, they could drop the person off a block or two away and never be see, they arent going to check to see if they are related if they drop them off, so as far as im concerned this is a way to prevent bussing, but since its not enforceable its not worthy of being included in the bill anyways.
Piggy, ill trust you to give it to me straight, but find in that bill anything so heinous thatthey should have walked away from it and considered that a landmark move to prevent that item from being included.
Why should busing register voters to a polling place be illegal? Oh fuck I talked politics
“It could”?
Really, needing a ride to the poll and forcing some
One to swear you are disabled “‘Might” suppress the vote.
Don’t water it down
There’s nothing illegal about giving people a ride to the polls
There is nothing illegal about bussing groups of people to the polls, a service that largely serves people who can afford less than you and I
If it’s targeted at bussing that is obvious suprreasing of a vote
Because, like they did here in Vegas, they brought in the entire bus fleet in from CA with 60 busses about 80 people per bus, then voted at 10 different polling locations around the city, so 4800 people X 10 accounted for 48k votes for hilllary and all the down ballot stuff went the dems way including legalizing MJ
SBJ – I was going crazy trying to find that clause. Then I realized that you posted the Senate Bill, while I was reading the House bill. Which doesn’t contain that clause.
It’s page 32 of the se are bill
You guys are arguing semantics with voter suppression, it’s no comparison to the benefit voter id brings to the integrity of an election
I have no major problem with requiring some form of ID and if that was all these laws were about I think the left loses that argument. Fuck stop it Ken. We must keep Xavien Howard
None of your votes matter anyway, so you should probably spend less time arguing about it.
D says:
July 16, 2021 at 11:09 am (Edit)
Piggy, ill trust you to give it to me straight, but find in that bill anything so heinous thatthey should have walked away from it and considered that a landmark move to prevent that item from being included
******
I’m literally giving you the bill
They made it illegal to give some one a ride to vote….
I mean come on!
You gave me a legal document to pick stuff out of the legalese that i may not understand dude, im saying i trust you to interpret it but i need help understanding some of the stuff you posted. Jesus you are on the fucking attack today aren’t ya. Talk about the argument yesterday about treating anyone left or right of center as far left or far right. Slow your roll man i didn’t vote for Trump since his name means everything…Damn i guess you are the Orob to my Stanger
Piggy i said it could because there are alternate ways of voting still available. You saying it will suppress it it is equally as short sighted because you haven’t shown a situation where that vote wont be accounted for by other means. I mentioned that in my post, so how do you account for the suppression hen other valid forms are available.
To Ken, im not for or against bussin, but it doesnt stand to reason that a person who rounds up people to vote has the ability to influence their votes, like BTW guys you all get coupon at Cracker Barrell if you get in this car with me and we all go vote for Daffy Duck. So again, if the dems cant do it, neither can the republicans, so where is the discrimination, but i also say, again, its not something enforceable so why inclusion in the bill. They could just as easy do the same thing and have them write in the vote, which of course is the point in my first argument, how is it suppression when they have other ways to vote.
Mr. Burns:
[to a group of senior citizens working for him] I’ll take you to the biggest duck-filled pond you ever saw.
Grampa:
Hot Diggity. That’s how they got me to vote for Lyndon LaRouche.
steveccnv says:
July 16, 2021 at 11:17 am (Edit)
Because, like they did here in Vegas, they brought in the entire bus fleet in from CA with 60 busses about 80 people per bus, then voted at 10 different polling locations around the city, so 4800 people X 10 accounted for 48k votes for hilllary and all the down ballot stuff went the dems way including legalizing MJ
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But if they were eligible voters so what?
Really?
CA citizens voting 10 times in NV
I’ll take shit that didn’t happen for 1000 Alex
Legal registered voters no one is saying people should vote illegally
They aren’t directly saying people should vote illegally, they want to make it so the cheating can continue.
Why is voter integrity a problem for you?
When I was younger I volunteered to drive people to and from voting places
Of course you did – it was super normal philanthropic stuff. So did I. It’s legal
I don’t think they forefathers sat down at a table and said
“We the people – who all have rides”
A trip to the voting poll isn’t supposed to affect your right to vote in anyway
It’s absurd to hear people rationalize it
I dont have a problem with it, fuck they could call an Uber…right? I’m sure there will be companies to provide this service despite that ruling and not a person will be arrested. its a bullshit part of the bill but it doesn’t suppress and it doesn’t discriminate. There are too many other forms of voting to try to hang your hat on that argument as a…..oh see they are trying to stop people from voting…i mean its absurd to think that one thing like that is enough for a large group of people to stand up and walk out on their responsibilities. Besides, as i said, if you want to know what they were really concerned about, you just have to listen to their words. When interviewed they opposed the ID restrictions, that and the changing of the hours of operation, those were their two strongest talking points. The latter is their foothold argument because restricting hours could significantly suppress votes….BUT when ya dig deeper they restricted hours but added days….i mean come the fuck on.
This is a big political show, and from the beginning, to me the central argument of voter restrictions is moot, believe what ya want to believe about these “restrictions” im arguing the point that strong arming the process by walking out is wrong and insurrection as it stops the democratic process. Go back to post one from me, thats what i was talking about and things have been hijacked sense. I participated in the arguments of the hijacking but my original intent was to call out the senators for disrupting the democratic process and what affect that could have on a lot of future bill votes including national ones.
I’ll have to read the Senate Bill later, but if it tracks the House Bill on providing various forms of assistance the qualifier is compensation. You can’t compensate or receive compensation for the assistance.
Neither the house bill nor the senate bill limit the portions dealing with transportation of voters to just issues with compensation – not sure where you are getting that
Ken wouldn’t be allowed to transport multiple people to and from voting without filling out a form and being in compliance with the reasons it’s permitted anymore if these laws pass
Phish
It’s not that only judges can remove poll watchers
It’s that poll watchers have a right to injunctive relief to stop themselves from
Being removed by election workers (no matter how disruptive they are)
I’m case you don’t know what injunctive relief is, it’s relief a court can award to stop an event from happening
So if an election worker throws out a disruptive poll watcher who is accusing everyone of fraud instructing voting – they can’t be thrown out and a court can stop it from happening
This is a huge problem
D, that example you gave about dropping some one off a block away, can be undermined this way. What if a poll watcher says – they can’t vote – they were dropped off and didn’t fill out the form.
Poll watchers can do that all day. They can make up fraud. They can say “he’s a Ex-con” or “she’s an illegal immigrant” or “they were bussed in”
And now they can’t be thrown out no matter what
It’s inviting the general population to watch polls and they can’t do anything to be removed – so if they cause chaos and slow down voting so people have to wait in longer lines – mission accomplished!
We live in a time when people refused to wear masks to go to grocery stores during a pandemic. How many assholes do you think are Out there waiting for a chance to stop people in Austin from affecting the way Texas falls….
The law doesn’t restrict voters on race or anything like that
But the poll watchers can accuse every Latino in Houston of being a noncitizens until they are so afraid to show up bc of harassment
I think you just like saying “poll watchers”.
You have no argument with these one offs, poll watchers aren’t concerned about people being dropped off.
And how will they have proof?
Instead of watching the polls will they be out in the parking lot taking pictures?
Ridiculous
Piggy
I do know what injunctive Relief is.
First – A watcher must be appointed. They’re not just someone who wanders in (the general public) and declares themselves a watcher. There are rules as to who may appoint them, how many they can appoint, how many can be on duty at a time, who is eligible, etc.
Second – There are also rules of conduct for the watcher and they can still be removed if they violate them. Being disruptive would be included.
It’s not a huge problem, because it is not a problem at all. You are looking for a problem to your solution, a justification for crying voter suppression.
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They won’t enforce someone else driving you to the polls, the law is proposed, because if someone complains about abuse of it, like I mention above with the CA voters, then they have a law to take action
Lol…I tried to save you, man.
The opposite of voter suppression is ballot harvesting, you guys don’t seem to have a problem with that.
In OC CA after ballot harvesting was allowed they lost 5 House seats, if you don’t know OC is highly republican
No one is arguing for illegal voting. What we want and what every American is maximizing voter participation. Isn’t that what a democracy is about?
Democracy is also about not interfering with the democratic process which is what those house reps did. What happens when the reps walk out in NY for a democrat proposed bill, or Cali or Same shit happens in Alabama or Florida. Again, what led into this discussion was my fault because it sickened me how this happened, and the precedent it sets for pure chaos in both state and national government bill approval. The subject got hijacked like always happens but what say you to a democracy being denied democratic processes?
Or what about Mitch McConnell did as Majority not putting any bill to the Senate floor for a vote? Both sides play that game and they are both wrong. I believe we should do away with Filibuster, put bills to votes and then they will be subject to judicial review which is the system of checks and balances envisioned by our founding fathers. I also believe the right to vote should be broad and inclusive rather than limiting
You may not be arguing for illegal voting, but its what the politicians are trying to accomplish
Phish
You make the appointment sound like it’s this insurmountable obstacle that somehow weeds out people who aren’t partisan and going to be fair
It’s not
They aren’t appointed by some board somewhere and they certainly aren’t elected
It’s just an application (ironically with a lot less scrutiny than voting)
You can volunteer and fill out a simple form, a party or candidate can also appoint watchers
Poll watchers are usually very partisan
It is any schmuck with a bone to pick and the GOP is elevating them to godlike status on Election Day
If you have a right to injunctive relief to stop your removal, and an election workers accused you of violating a code, but you say you aren’t and just preventing fraud that the election worker is permitting – than a poll watcher has effectively obstructed voting by American citizens
They can insert themselves into er by controversy they think is “fraudulent” just for the sake of obstruction and if they are removed, they can seek injunctive relief saying they were improperly removed
Heck of a way to bring out the cream of the crop Texas GOL
https://www.texasgop.org/electionworkers/
Oh yeah – this is super reliable now to get viable election results, instead of just brats who are upset bc their side is losing
The only thing to gain by being a republican poll watchers is to make sure things are on the level. What difference does it make who the poll watchers is?
They’re just clerks, that bring to the attention of their supervisor any irregularities.
I’d think you’d want these people to be less than the cream of the crop
That’s not true and it’s very naive to believe
Republican poll watchers want republicans to win
I’ve literally watched in real time since November the Republican Party make countless accusations of fraud that they couldn’t prove in any court and then claim the court is biased instead of realizing that their claims are trash
You yourself will never admit that Trump lost in 2020 bc you don’t believe it.
The last thing we need to to is empower the people screaming fraud for the last 8 months.
Poll watchers have a political agenda
They aren’t this unbiased group of people that reflect of collection of points of view across America
One party is pushing the narrative that there is widespread voter fraud – and now the same party is passing laws to empower “poll watchers” so it’s nearly impossible to remove them or stop them from interfering with legal voting they happen to disagree with
That post make no sense.
Of course they’re biased, how else can you be a poll watchers?
They don’t have any power, they’re just there to make sure the dems aren’t cheating.
You mean that any biased court or court, that didn’t have the balls to hear the case.
How were they supposed to provebit when the courts didn’t want to get involved.
How exactly would they be empowered?
You won’t admit there was cheating, even though mountains of evidence has been brought forward, some by thousands of people with signed affidavits.
Pretty sure you know the penalties for people lying on one.
Why hasn’t any of those people been prosecuted?
Tell me how they’d interfere? By exposing fraud?
They don’t really care about the voters, it’s the election officials, that they want to watch, so how would that interfere with voting?
It makes no sense to you bc you are one of the people who buy into the bullshit about widespread election fraud and refuse to take the loss even after losing in court over 60 times
And it will people who think like you who will volunteer to be poll watchers
There isn’t mountains of evidence
There are mountains of losing cases
But you still insist there was fraud and claim mountains of evidence exist
And that’s the problem with poll watchers and making them some sort of Election Day savior – it’s just going to be a lot of people who insist fraud is occurring bc they already believe it is
You won’t be able to tell the, otherwise just like no one can tell you there aren’t mountains of evidence
The poll places are going to turn into every clip we see of people on planes refusing to wear a mask bc they don’t think wearing a mask is helping – and then the plane has to land
Any schmuck can be a poll watcher
The people inclined to do it, already believe the same horseshit you do
So they are going to be fighting with election officials and nearly impossible to remove from the poll place bc of the Texas law
And the election officials are there to facilitate the voters
So they will be obstructing the process
Legal Voter: “Where do I place my ballot”
election official: “give me a minute I’m being accused of fraud by a pillow salesman and I can’t have him removed bc this new law made it impossible”
SBJ. Why can’t we use the laws already in place as far as voting and 2nd amendment is concerned. The problem we have now is one side wants to change the laws for their benefit and the other side keeps letting them do that. We have become week and a joke to the rest of the world. That is not the country I served. That’s all I have to say about that . 🐕
“That’s all I have to say about that”
LOL. 🐕👏
Right just wants a fair election, that means voter id, not sure how you can have a fair election without it
Why isn’t a driver’s license/passport plus being registered with the state and on the voting list at my local polling place. I have wired money for a house just based on my driver’s license. Seems that money a lot more valuable than my one vote.
Brian’s best article yet
https://phinphanatic.com/2021/07/16/lacking-leverage-xavien-howard-needs-miami-dolphins/
Good article
Have said it before but will repeat — all these voting laws coming out in mainly red states are not actually about illegal voting. So analyzing them from that perspective is a fruitless endeavor. Same time — within some Constitutional limits — up to the state legislatures to set their own voting rules.
Only ones that concern me are the ones that let the legislatures rather than election officials or courts be the final say on disputed elections. Last election we saw how partisan that can get.
Illegal voting comes into play mainly by dead people voting, and that’s done from an organized level in the party.
The main thing is voter id, and there’s also a problem with mail in ballots.
Why don’t you want election integrity?
Cause even though you won’t agree — think we already have election integrity, within de minimis limits at least. Been proven in study after study.
But in the message you are replying to said think states can do what they want. At that point why worry about it? Saying they can do exactly what you want.
Section 4 of Article 1 of the constitution explicitly allows US congress to make or modify state rules doesn’t it?
You got me on the exact section, but unless Congress does something talking the states in control absent going Jim Crow. The Voting Rights Act they have going would do something. Not sure how much but bet you the first version did everything they could. Look like a no go though.
Lol, Dolphins sign Isaiah Ford.
Either they want to play him up for a trade or they think we don’t have enough quality depth
Camp fodder
Point was, what’s the point of signing him, when he has no chance to make it?
Maybe he asked them to do him a favor, so he can stay in shape, and possibly catch on with another team, if he plays well in preseason
Just because you need bodies anyone we bring in at this point is unlikely to make the team at WR. But at least Ford will give the people ahead time to sit in preseason games. Plus he knows Tua and it’s not bad for him to know the system in case you need an emergency signing. I wouldn’t read anything more into it than that
The Flying Pig says:
July 16, 2021 at 1:47 pm
It makes no sense to you bc you are one of the people who buy into the bullshit about widespread election fraud and refuse to take the loss even after losing in court over 60 times
If they weren’t cheating in PA, why wouldn’t they let the poll watchers in to oversee the mail in ballots?
Why did all of these 7 states stop counting overnight, then have a dump cone in, in the early hours the next day?
How do you explain AZ being called so early, when it’s about to be overturned? The 10s of thousands of affidavits?
Won’t get into the voting machines
1. There are some very good reasons not to let pollwatchers all over the place. I really shouldn’t have to go down the list but namely it opens the door for the fraud you are insist you are trying to stop. We don’t let people run around crime scenes either. Unfettered access to poll watchers is the worst thing you can do for election integrity
2. People need to sleep. People went home to sleep. Why I have to explain that – I don’t know.
The voting data you are commenting on isn’t voting in real time. It just reflects when portions of a county are reported. The numbers you are calling dumps don’t reflect new votes they reflect the counting of votes that were already made. There have always been reporting of chunks my entire life at every election I watched. It’s not fraud. It’s normal and the only way a large county can effectively count votes. In this case, mail in votes were counted last. The state had to, by court order actually segregate votes that were mailed after a deadline and that is an rule that the Republican Party sought to enforce – which is the great irony here: that rule lead to your perception
Click to access 20-542(1)_3e04.pdf
And we all new mail ins would go heavily Biden in 2020 just like in 2024 we can predict mail in will go heavily democratic. It’s hard to tell your party that mail in voting is bad and get big mail in voting numbers out of the same mouth.
3. I explain tens of thousands affidavits the same way I explain tens of thousands of people willing to believe something unsupported by evidence. I’ve seen people say plenty of things that aren’t true in affidavits. People alleging something is not reliable evidence. And it’s quite a jump to suggest AZ is about to be overturned based on the results of audit number 5, when the first 4 audits confirmed the election results were valid
This stuff isn’t fraud Steve
It’s just stuff released in the news cycle you listen to to create doubt
It hasn’t stood up in court yet and it’s record is less than stellar at his point. Given trump has unlimited resources to promote it, and it still get get traction in court among his own appointees, it’s even less viable
I asked specific questions and you gave me general bs answers, as always no one from the left ever answers these questions
The video from GA, that showed them telling everyone to go home except those that stayed and stuffed the illegal ballots thru, many multiple times.
The guy from GA responded to this video saying that’s the way we always do it.
I could get over the 2020 fraud, if I knew the next election was going to be fair, but like many on the right we don’t feel like it ever will again, unless something is done like these Texas laws that will curtail some of the cheating.
Same reason they keep going with the audits.
Did you see the tweets by Kamalas staff saying, they fear she’s going to be president?
Beyond me how anyone could vote these 2 in
If you don’t like my response
Than you don’t like my response
Your position is still bogus
Those allegations are easily shot down but they are also easily rejected and reasserted over and over again. So it’s just never going to end.
It’s not for me or you to argue the specifics of things that look like far fetched conspiracies. You dont know and I don’t know what happened
But the forum to prove fraud in election exists – it always did
It’s on the candidate to prove that
And he tried to
And he lost
Over and over again
As much as I enjoy watching trump lose over and over again, it’s getting old at this stage when he didn’t even scratch the surface of proving reckless accusations
And we certainly shouldn’t be passing laws in response to it.
You can bet if trump won any of those cases, I wouldn’t be arguing what I am arguing even if it went against what I hoped was true
But you keep saying these things when there a forum to purse them, a candidate with unlimited resources to explore those forums, he did actually pursue them and he lost
That’s just stubborn Steve
If trump can’t prove these things occurred with everything at his disposal, it’s probably bc it didn’t happen
You guys are arguing about voter rights while the guy most of you put in office and big tech are slowly taking away your 1st amendment right. Now, your White House is monitoring your Facebook and compiling list’s of Facebook users to censor. Whatever they consider “problematic” and/or whatever they feel is misinformation. Something could be fact and if they feel it is “problematic” then you go on the list, possibly censored or removed from that platform.
Don’t quote me on the exact figures, but heard on the news today that 16 Facebook users were the source of like 60% of Covid misinformation. Facebook is a beast man. How do you figure it can be tamed?
Eliminate facebook. lol
Remove them from section 230 protection
steve — how does eliminating section 230 protection help stop misinformation on Facebook? Would make it harder to do so. Are you suggesting the government step in and censor?
BBM — been off Facebook for years and of man do they make it tough to leave. Jumped through like 13 hoops. Everything is easy except that. At the end they were sorta threatening me. “You do know we’ll never take you back and all your data will be lost.” Was like breaking up with a girlfriend.
That number came from the White House who has been working with Facebook to flag posts they (the White House) consider suspect. Should scare the shit out of everyone that politicians are working with the tech oligarchs to suppress free speech even if it is wrong.
Damn Stanger, did not know that it was that hard. WTF I have not used mine in over 3 years but the account is still there.
16 Facebook users were the source of like 60% of Covid misinformation
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Don’t be fooled into thinking this just about COVID misinformation. That is just their foot in the door.
It doesn’t Stanger, you asked how it can be tamed
steve but eliminating Sec 230 would mean people can sue Facebook for being removed for false information. How does that help what was talking about?
Piggy – Maybe the rules for poll watchers are different in NY, but in Texas not just any schmuck can fill out an application and be one. Nor does the voting stop just because one of them cries foul. Yes, they are partisan (see who can appoint them below), but both sides can have them.
Sec. 33.001. WATCHER DEFINED. In this code, “watcher” means a person appointed under this subchapter to observe the conduct of an election on behalf of a candidate, a political party, or the proponents or opponents of a measure.
Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986.
Sec. 33.002. APPOINTMENT BY CANDIDATE. (a) Watchers may be appointed by each candidate whose name appears on the ballot or the list of declared write-in candidates in an election for:
(1) a public office other than the office of vice-president of the United States; or
(2) an office of a political party.
(b) In an election for an office of the state government that is filled by voters of more than one county, watchers may also be appointed by the candidate’s campaign treasurer.
(c) In an election for an office of the federal government that is filled by voters of more than one county, watchers may also be appointed by the chair or treasurer of the candidate’s principal campaign committee or by a designated agent of the chair or treasurer.
Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 864, Sec. 32, eff. Sept. 1, 1997; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1349, Sec. 15, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
Sec. 33.003. APPOINTMENT BY POLITICAL PARTY. (a) The county chair of each political party that has one or more nominees on the ballot may appoint watchers.
(b) If the county chair does not make an authorized appointment, any three members of the county executive committee may make the appointment.
Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 864, Sec. 33, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
I, personally, don’t believe there was any more fraud in this election than there was when Gore took his case to the Supreme Court and lost or when Hilary dragged her feet and intimated fraud when she lost to Trump. Certainly not enough to sway the election. But there was enough appearance of fraud to shake confidence in the integrity of the system. And don’t pretend that if the pendulum had swung the other way that your side wouldn’t still be screaming fraud. You (the general you, not you specifically) spent four years screaming not my President because Hilary suggested there was fraud. Only difference between her and Trump is/was she was passive aggressive and he was just aggressive.
Im not sure you are reading that right or you’ve just taken the longest route possible to explain “any schmuck”
You can get certified by the county chair of a political party – that’s not a high threshold
Here’s a link to how the Texas GOP solicited poll watchers in 2020
https://www.texasgop.org/electionworkers/
I agree with your conclusion about fraud in this election and prior elections but I don’t think we should pass laws to restore Integrity at the expense of making voting harder
The democrats are definitely smarter about it. They don’t recruit poll watchers, they recruit poll workers! Fuck that standing around observing noise. We want you to talk to the voters and set up the machines!
https://www.texasdemocrats.org/media/serve-as-an-election-worker/
I especially like the criteria of “Will go the extra mile to ensure an eligible voter can vote.”
Okay – but that’s even more reason not to put place poll workers and watchers on a pedestal isn’t it?
I think they are the same and it’s just semantics
But you get the point – these people have an interest in the outcome
They are highly partisan people
I don’t want them running the show on election
Oh, I totally agree with that. Don’t really want a bunch of yahoos from either side mucking about the polling site. But that horse is out of the barn and ain’t coming back. No one trusts the system anymore, thanks to our political elites. Just don’t see it as a way to suppress the vote.
Both sides have registered party members as poll workers. My father in law are mother in law are both registered Republicans and they have worked at the poll workers in every election in the ladies 50 years
Stanger
This Is article 1 section 4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-4/
I don’t know if there is caselaw that limits it, (it’s not my field) but just the plain reading indicates that the fed govt can enact or modify state regulations on voting laws
I’m pretty sure that’s why Texas democrats did what they did this week to ask DC for help
I thought the Voting Acts law was repealed at least in part?
Got me to look up and props to you on that — “the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, legislation that would restore a key provision of the 1965 law that was stripped out by the Supreme Court in 2013”
If the Supremes stripped it out the provision in 2013, seems like it would be a long shot to stand now given the make up of the court.
Lots of different ways to skin a cat, says a guy who used to write bills. Assume they wouldn’t be putting it forward otherwise.
Sure does read like Congress can do something, but chances are slim. Or at least slim the Senate will.
I read it as congress would has to pass a law, which is what they tried to do and failed.
Bill is still active, but unlikely to pass.
BTW, why did Biden make a visit to Philadelphia to give a speech attacking Republican voter integrity bills. The last thing the Democrats want is a ballot audit being done in Pennsylvania. Philadelphia has a LONG history of voting fraud in favor of Democratic candidates. They are trying to intimidate the GOP legislators from conducting an Arizona style ballot audit. It’s going to happen anyway and the Dems seem to be worried about something. Why would Biden go there and speak when he didn’t in FL and hasn’t in TX?
Maybe all my squealing on the subject finally got him to dry his pampers and pay attention
I think he went for the scrapple and the cheese.
LOL, you guys had me cracking up as I was reading and catching up…
*Kong makes note to give Rob extra soy sauce on his bananas.
*SB7 really doesn’t like Beatles talk.
*LMAO @ Phel calling out Ken for “inflammatory football cartoons”.
*LOL @ “I’ll take shit that didn’t happen for 1000 Alex”.
*I’m going to start calling Isaiah Ford by the nickname Lazarus.
Soy sauce is like bacon. It makes everything better
Agreed, it’s liquid gold
Good discussion on the voter -integrity or suppression- bills being put forth. I think we have a good representation of both sides here.
I think the convo on our blog today probably accurately reflects the same conversation and the same arguments being had by our representatives.
It is probably just a little more mature conversation on this site than in those debates. 😂😂
“probably just a little more mature conversation”
lol, yep
Phish
I am way to tired to look it up
But I don’t think the interplay between the voting acts rights and whether new legislation can pass changes what I said.
I would have to look up what was striped to know for sure
But if congress has the power to modify the state voting laws under the constitution, then the only thing preventing new federal legislation is whether the new legislation is uncosstituional
The only thing preventing it is passing the legislation. Doesn’t seem like they have 10 GOP Senators on board and Manchin ain’t gonna do away with the fillibuster.
Yeah the filibuster blows it up.
But to put a fine point on it. Congress does how the power. They probably won’t use it at the end of the day. But there is a level of federal oversight on what states do
I believe it was the piece that required States to get Federal approval to change or enact election rules, but don’t quote me. And I’m not arguing what you said. I agree Congress does have the power to change state election laws. They just don’t have the will or the votes. And it seems to me that it would be a fast way to get not re-elected in most states if you give up state powers to the federal government.