GAMENIGHT!!! Dolphins @ Saints

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  1. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    December 29, 2021 at 8:00 pm
    We don’t run well because we don’t block well. We don’t run block and we don’t pass block well. We do the best we can with what we have,

    I disagree with what you are saying Mike. We don’t run block well because that’s not what this scheme requires of it’s OL. in fact we very rarely run block due to the simple fact that the OL does not know in advance if it’s a run or a pass. they play pass pro just about every snap.
    you keep blaming the OL for everything under the sun but that’s not the case. we are forced to play this scheme due to the lack of arm strength at QB

    • damn

      u said you werent going to bash Tua anymore Mr Pinnochio

      • ocalarob says:

        how am i bashing him? he has a weak arm for nfl standards,and what’s the difference between me commenting on tua’s weaknesses and you doing the same with wilson.
        you should stop your ranting, it makes you look bad. i’m telling you this because i don’t want you to look bad.
        if you see something you don’t agree with comment on it respectfully or if you think it’s that stupid pass it by. just telling you this for your own good.

  2. ocalarob says:

    you don’t see this offense get under center in a pro set and pound the rock or run play action and pass the ball downfield from that set very much at all.
    what you see the majority of the time is Tua in the shotgun running the RPO with the dink and dunk deal & the occasional run.
    so if you’re an offensive lineman you can’t attack and you can’t engage a lineman more than 1 yard off the LOS.
    in college they can engage 3 yards off the LOS, that’s why the RPO is popular in college and not very much in the pros

  3. ocalarob says:

    That may be the reason Chan Gailey left, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, Gailey is a pro set guy.

  4. Krishna says:

    I completely agree with Mike E!!!!!


    While the OL seems to have improved a smidgen since the beginning of the year, at this point it is the weakest unit. And, to that point, the scheme has been tailored/designed to execute plays quickly, whether pass or run.

    Also, I wonder why our OL has no push on 3rd and 4th downs and a yard or two for 1st down or goal line. There’s no confusion on the play call or what’s expected. Lmao…

  5. Mike E. says:

    Rob, all you give me is opinion, when facts are all around. We’re rated as the worst O-line in the NFL, #32 out of 32. You can use conjecture all you want, but almost every team in the NFL runs some form of RPO, so every team faces the same challenge. I can’t find anything more recent, but week 15 was just a week and a half ago.

    • Mike E. says:

      32. MIAMI DOLPHINS (No Change)
      Best-graded: G Robert Hunt | 63.0
      Worst-graded: G Austin Jackson | 47.8

      Miami’s offensive line isn’t just the worst in the NFL; it is a historically bad unit. The group is allowing the highest pressure rate in the league (43.3%), despite being well protected with RPOs and quick passing. Tua Tagovailoa’s average depth of target is just 6.9 yards downfield, the second-lowest in the league. Miami rosters three of the NFL’s 10 worst offensive linemen this season in terms of total pressures surrendered, and nobody boasts an overall PFF grade higher than 63.0 overall. It is a minor miracle that Tagovailoa looks functional behind this line.

  6. ocalarob says:

    Mike you’re comparing stats to teams that run a pro set vs RPO, not many teams run RPO and certainly not every down like we do, the only team close to what we do are the Ravens, but they have a very athletic QB with a strong arm. and they don’t run that nearly as much as we do.

    you’re missing the point and judging our OL to other OLs who run a different scheme with different player skilset

  7. ocalarob says:

    LOL @ Mike, you just mentioned three teams that operate from a pro set with a powerhouse run game. apples and oranges. they have nothing in common with Miami.

  8. Mike E. says:

    #1 Cowboys – Dak Prescott is exclusively in the shotgun formation in that offense. They don’t run a pro set despite having the type of RB capable of being successful in it. They also have the best O-line in football.

  9. Krishna says:

    OL is categorically last in all phases or 30ish…..

    But, to you, Orob, that’s not a problem. 👍

  10. Mike E. says:


    2020 Pass Efficiency Rank: 24
    2020 Rush Efficiency Rank: 7

    The Cowboys’ scheme should be to let Dak Prescott do whatever he pleases. Put him in the shotgun, let him deal with the protection calls and then he can prosper.

    Dallas doesn’t need to change much from last season before Prescott went down for the season. They are a big trips formation team, putting together the fourth-highest rate in the league last year, which fits their personnel to a tee. Michael Gallup is the isolated X receiver, and a very underrated one at that. CeeDee Lamb lined up in the slot, and Amari Cooper is the “wide side” Z receiver.

    With a quarterback as good as Prescott, it’s not the end of the world if the Cowboys aren’t running all the trendy offensive shenanigans — such as outside zone and play action. Just let Dak do his thing.

  11. ocalarob says:

    i never see a team that runs the offense like Miami does.
    some teams may do it once or twice a game but not every down.
    Miami’s offense is way different then any other offense in the league.
    they are an NFL unicorn

  12. ocalarob says:

    Mike you agree we have a unicorn offense, don’t you think that has influences on the OL?

    • Mike E. says:

      I’ve told you what I think. The offensive coordinators know they don’t get any push in the run game and they know all too well this team can’t hold blocks in pass protection, so the way to minimize the effects of poor pass blocking is to create short area space and get the ball out before the pressure gets to the QB. It’s as simple as that. They use the pass game like a run game, they get guys out in space and hit them for a few yards and get the ball out quick, because too often, our backs are getting stuffed.

  13. Krishna says:

    Unicorn 🦄 offense…..lmao.

    Do we have a Unicorn 🦄 defense, too?

    Now, we’re in fairy land football….oh my!

  14. Mike E. says:

    When Duke Johnson got over 100 yards, was Tua in a pro set? Was Tua in the shotgun? NO and YES are the correct answers!

  15. wyoming85 says:

    Whatever it is we call our offense I don’t want make any major changes this offseason!

    Replace Davis
    Sign key FA’s

    Get some consistency!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mike E. says:

      I’d replace Davis and look for a better interior OL, one that can play C and G. We need to solidify the interior with one very good player

      • wyoming85 says:

        I don’t think that center is very deep in this draft.

        I wouldn’t get an FA center either. I’m in the “let’s see what Deiter can do” until the end of the year.

        I don’t think he’s stunk the place up!

  16. herdfan says:

    IDGAF if we dink and dunk all the live long day. If we win, that’s all that matters.

  17. wyoming85 says:

    Your a big 5 yards on first down guy.
    Does it really matter whether that comes in the air, or on the ground?

    Imposing your will with the running game is not really feasible with todays rules. PI’s are to easy to get.

    I think this offense will open up when EVERYONE get’s more comfortable with it?

  18. Rockphin says:

    Why does nobody see it? It is all because of Tua’s tiny little feet! The offensive line can’t place their feet to get a good base to block because the field is pocked with 100’s of holes from the depressions left by Tua’s tiny little feet!

  19. bailbondmike says:

    I think what is sad is that we don’t have any OL depth who can step up and play better at LG and RT than Jackson and Davis. SMH

    • wyoming85 says:

      Jackson has never been the same since he was out with Covid!
      I’m really curious about his drop off in play this year.
      I know the virus causes some to be weakened for a long time?

      I don’t like problems I can’t connect the dots on!!

      • bailbondmike says:

        Yeah, I tried to blame it on the absence of Flowers for his regression. LOL This is a tough one to figure out for sure. Everyone says he works very hard. Crazy!

    • Rockphin says:

      I think it’s sad that this front office cannot identify offensive line talent. We have two first round guards (drafted and played at tackle first) one of them (Jackson) isn’t even a good guard but we still start him every week. They need better coaches and evaluators.

      This team hasn’t been able to selected offensive linemen for years. That is a front office / scouting issue IMO. Then when we have them they can’t coach them up.

      Let’s put a no experience quality control coach in charge of them. That will do it.

  20. bailbondmike says:

    I don’t think that center is very deep in this draft.
    It’s not. It’s almost like it’s Linderbaum or bust and he is not even a guarantee at his size. He gets by with size due to his athletic ability and I think him be a wrestler also helps him. It’s still a ? whether he will have the same success in the NFL.

    Luke Matthews is a stud but had season ending shoulder surgery and probably returns to A&M for Senior year.

    Next option would be Jarrett Patterson of ND. He has great size and good all round but not considered elite. Probably goes in second round because the OC group is so thin.

    There are some other good ones who are really smart and good technicians but they are smallish at under 300 pounds.

    With this group, you either draft Linderbaum in the 1st or draft a project. I don’t look at every player and always guilty of not looking close at west coast players. There may be another out there worthy and not much of a project. That’s just from my armchair perspective. lol

  21. bailbondmike says:

    I forgot due to page turn but someone earlier or last night said they want us to get a RB at least 220. Two of them play each other tomorrow. Jerome Ford, Cinn and Brian Robinson, Bama.

    Jerome Ford, who I posted yesterday, is 5’11 220. He has power and the top end speed to run away from most LB’s and some DB’s.

    If I am reading the stats correctly on Sports-Reference, he has never fumbled in his college career at Alabama or Cincinnati. Zero fumbles in 332 touches.

    This season he has 200 carries for 1,242 with 6.2 average, 19 TD’s with longest of 79 yards, 18 receptions for 209 yards with 11.6 average and 1 receiving TD.

    Brian Robinson is big 6’1 225 pound, but not fast. He runs hard and fights for extra yardage. He is also a decent receiver.

  22. wyoming85 says:

  23. Randy says:

    My thoughts on Linderbaum. First, I’d be surprised if Grier spent the draft capital to pick a C in the top of the first round. Second, Linderbaum is big enough to play Center in the NFL. HE’s about 6’ 3” and 290. That’s right in the range of a number of NFL centers. Third, he’s a bad ass. Depending on the defensive front, of course, center is a position where you do a lot of combo blocking. I’m not concerned about his physicality in the least. After a year or two in an NFL weight lifting program, he’ll be right around 300 pounds and that’s plenty big enough for a center.
    Oh, he also plays in the Big 10, and if he can play OL in our conference; he can play in the NFL. But, with all that said…and I love the kid….I’d still probably look at drafting a WR early in the first and maybe center after that.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Thanks Randy, I really am glad you chimed in. When it comes to OL, I am not the greatest and go by what I read. I read a review on Linderbaum and there is no mention of his size then read another on a guy 8 pounds bigger and he gets knocked for his size. So I get spun around a bit on positions I don’t know a whole lot about.

      I agree 100%. Linderbaum is already considered elite and, like you said, a couple years in an NFL weight lifting program, dude has ALL-PRO potential.

      You are also most likely correct in that Grier won’t use our pick on him which is a shame. I most of my mocks (except yesterday) I am taking WR Jameson Williams if he is there. My second option has been Linderbaum.

      Who would be your OC2 next draft since Matthews most likely won’t enter?

  24. ocalarob says:

    wyoming85 says:
    December 30, 2021 at 9:00 am
    Your a big 5 yards on first down guy.
    Does it really matter whether that comes in the air, or on the ground?

    Yes, it does matter, 1st down is the most important down.
    when you have an imposing running game and are able to avg a certain # of yards on 1st down; it’s the difference between winning and losing, i think 4 yards per carry on 1st down is the magic number, it puts you in a high % position to pick up the first.

    if you try to pass too often due to the lack of a running game you create a higher degree of difficulty and leave yourself in long down and distance on 2nd down more often than not, reducing your %.

    you have to be able to run the ball, especially on first down.
    it all comes down to percentages.

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t think that style of football will ever come back into the league.

      Maybe after all the LB get smaller to cover the passing game it will shift back to power run?

      Only Tennessee is considered a “power run” team as far as I can gather? Without Henry they lack the ball control to win consistently that way.

      I 100% agree with your first down 5 yard gain philosophy, I just am not concerned how we go about doing it!

      • ocalarob says:

        when you throw an incomplete pass on first down you give away your position, if it falls incomplete now you have to pass and the opposing D knows that which makes it difficult.
        you’ll see a lot of first down runs from most teams early.

  25. ocalarob says:

    we’ve had good OL in the recent past,
    how bout 2016?
    Brandon Albert, laremy Tunsil, Mike Pouncey, Billy Turner< Juwuan James

  26. CavalierKong says:

    We’ve consistently had one of the worst olines in the league the last few years; I’m not sure why this year we should suddenly believe it’s all because of Tua and the RPO.

    Here is a 2019 week 3 ranking, same year Jesse Davis played RT almost all of the year.

    Highest-Graded Offensive Lineman: T Jesse Davis, 61.0

    “The Dolphins currently own the lowest-graded pass-blocking line in the NFL as well as the lowest graded run-blocking line in the league. Nine players have seen at least 40 snaps so far, and of those, only three have grades above 50.0 and one above 60.0 (Jesse Davis, 61.0). It’s all-time bad.”

    and this at the end of 2019. There’s Davis comfortably at 170th, and Deiter at 146th

    Here’s 2020, where at the end of the year we moved all the way up to 28th


    “Additionally, Miami brought in players such as Ereck Flowers and Ted Karras in free agency in an attempt to sure up the interior. To be fair, the Dolphins were improved along the offensive line this season, but they set the bar so low in 2019 that this was still one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.”

    Then, what did we do? We got rid of those FAs Flowers and Karras that helped to slightly improve our oline.

    If the RPO hampers linemen so much, why don’t we see Hunt giving up sacks and pressures every game? Why has Davis consistently been bottom of the league, but now he gets a pass?

    Why did Jackson suck just as much last year as this year?
    Austin Jackson grade 2020 – 52.3
    Austin Jackson grade 2021 – 50.2

  27. Ken says:

    Very few teams run a true pro set under center and none do it exclusively. Minnesota, Cleveland and Tennessee are the only ones that come to mind

  28. olddolphan says:

    GOTTA TAKE MRS. OD to another surgeon to discuss, possibly, surgery #10 for her. Her knee surgery over a year ago was a failure. And her lumbar area is getting worse, so something’s got to be done.

    Just doesn’t seem right that I’ve only had to have 2 surgeries (both related to my service in the Army) while my wife, a non-veteran has already had 9 and may be looking at 10. Count your blessings, folks, if you have relatively good health

    We leave in about a half hour for her consultation with the surgeon in downtown Tampa.
    SHOUT OUT TO KEN: Thanks for the updates on Young Stanger. Let’s hope he’s home in time for the Patriots’ game a week from Sunday!!

  29. orob, i told ya to invest in stocks, many times

    dow setting all time records, but You claimed lost a dime on gas prices and had economic ruin, lmao

    i can afford gas, lol u have to be smarter bro!

    lying about Tua doesnt pay

  30. ocalarob says:

    i just noticed that notification bell, top right, i guess that lets you know when someone replies to your comment.
    pretty kool

  31. Ken says:

    Bills are absolutely not a traditional pro set offense. In fact that is a major issue in that they don’t run the ball at all and when they do run it is always out of the gun by the QB.

  32. CavalierKong says:

    The league rules on passing have changed the game.

    “These results hold generally across the league as well. Pass-rush-rush is the most successful three-play sequence, followed by pass-pass-rush and rush-pass-rush.”

    “On first down, passing will net you at least 5 yards (enough to make the play a success) 47 percent of the time, while running the ball will get you the same result just 32.8 percent of the time, 14.2 percentage points less often. On second down, the gap closes to about a 7 percentage-point advantage for passing.”

    “Play-calling patterns that end in a pass on third down have a negative expected value across the board. If we look at each sequence in terms of EPA per play, we see that the only positive EPA values on third down are on running plays. This makes sense: If you are passing on third down, it strongly implies that the first two plays in the sequence did not end well, and you likely have a third-and-long situation.”

    “Meanwhile, the opposite outcome is true on first and second down. There are no positive EPA rushing nodes, and all passing plays return positive expected value.”

    “This result is the exact opposite of what we would expect to find if establishing the run via play sequences like rush-rush-pass were winning strategies. Instead of making a team less predictable, establishing the run on first and second down creates a game state that is often quite predictable for the defense.”

  33. CavalierKong says:

  34. ocalarob says:

    your stats are related to the game as a whole and doesn’t account for situation

    • CavalierKong says:

      Not my stats. That was a guy that took every single play from every team 2009-2018 and showed the effectiveness of play sequencing

      • ocalarob says:

        the stats you posted. it’s misleading, there are situations where teams have to pass and ds playing prevent.
        if you look at run vs pass in the first qtr you will find most teams run more than pass on 1st down

      • CavalierKong says:

        You’re just spinning your rote answers and didn’t even read it. Most teams do run it on 1st down. The guy took every play for 10 years. It’s a lot of info to digest, but worth a read.

        From the article:

        “Leaguewide, rushing is the preferred play call on first down, after which passing takes over as the dominant play type, especially on third down.”

      • ocalarob says:

        I was assuming your stats were in reference to my comment to wyoming, that’s the only discussion relevant to what you posted.
        it would seem you are refuting that teams run on first down

  35. sb7mvp says:

    You are more than welcome to show some actual stats of your own. You’re the one making all these claims and then moving the goal posts whenever someone shows you where you are wrong. It’s already been established that you don’t know the difference between running out of shotgun and RPO, so when you say you see things during the game, we have to consider the source.

  36. ocalarob says:

    Ken says:
    December 30, 2021 at 11:39 am
    Bills do a ton of RPO
    they are built to do so, allen runs like a FB, Tua doesn’t, and i doubt they run a ton. he’s usually in the gun.

    • Ken says:

      RPO is run out of the shot gun

      • ocalarob says:

        no way, RPO is a run pass option, the qb either hands it off, takes it himself or passes after reading a designated defender. to simply run out of the shotgun is different. the difference being that the ol is aware it’s a run whereas that RPO the ol is not aware of the play. they play pass pro in an rpo

      • Ken says:

        RPO is always run out of a shotgun set but not every run out of a shotgun is an RPO

  37. orob stats? lol he doesnt have any but LYING, he lies all the time

  38. orob should have bought OCGN like i told him, when it was less than 40 cents per share

    today OCGN is almost $5, that dime he complained about making economic ruin,

    could have been worth 10 times MORE, if he invested it wisely instead of lying about TUA everyday

    but he wallows in the its all Bidens fault he lost the damn dime, lmao what a fool

  39. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:
    December 30, 2021 at 11:59 am
    I was assuming your stats were in reference to my comment to wyoming, that’s the only discussion relevant to what you posted.
    it would seem you are refuting that teams run on first down

    No, Wyo said he doesn’t care how we get the 5 yards on 1st down, and that he doesn’t think that ‘power’ style of play will ever come back to the league. You said throwing it incomplete on 1st down gives away your position, etc.

    I posted an in depth article that supports that throwing it on 1st down is actually the most effective sequence. And that contrary to popular belief, running it on 1st down creates more situations where you are less effective and ‘give away your position’.

    “On first down, passing will net you at least 5 yards (enough to make the play a success) 47 percent of the time, while running the ball will get you the same result just 32.8 percent of the time, 14.2 percentage points less often.”

    • ocalarob says:

      but you’re defining it as “the most effective way” basing it on the whole game regardless of the situation.
      you yourself said most teams run early, so if that’s not “the most effective way” why are they doing that?

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m not going to explain the entire article to you piece by piece. Either you’ll read it and understand your current questions make no sense in context, or you won’t read it.

        I know you ignore arguments that go against your ingrained football beliefs, so you likely wont read it, just like you don’t have a single response to my post regarding our oline deficiencies and how they were the same deficiencies the last two years when we weren’t a heavy RPO team because it shows your ‘RPO is the problem’ argument makes no sense.

      • ocalarob says:

        not sure where ol problems fit into our recent discussion?

        you’ve explained it well enough, it was taken over a huge period of time with the whole game applied.
        but you referenced it to wyomings post saying in general it’s better to pass on first down than to run. then you say most teams run the ball more than they pass on first down.
        not sure where the miscommunication is?

      • ocalarob says:

        i’m reading.
        Pete Carroll doggedly maintained that sticking with running the ball gave the Seahawks the best chance to win.

      • ocalarob says:

        ok i read it, it’s still the same scenario, he’s taken every play that seattle ran and breaking it down into a sequence. so the most successful is pass run run however he’s not taking into account the situation.

  40. wyoming85 says:

    Rob I’ll agree with you that to be able to run for 4 yards consistently (See AF) would be a good thing!
    We (Miami Dolphins) have only done that in the early 70’s!

    I’m so tired of Piggy’s favorite first down delayed handoff I could puke!

    I’d rather see 5 yard pass to the RB, TE! which is what we do a lot!

    Too me we have more luck going Pass, run, pass than any other sequence?

    I’m OK with either as long as we aren’t beating a dead horse, just to beat it! If it’s to set up something later is a different story!

  41. ocalarob says:

    yeah, i agree, we have to work around Tua, so in his case it may be better to pass on 1st down, because the ol doesn’t operate like a conventional ol.
    they cant because they don’t know if it’s a run or pass.

    I’ve never seen an Nfl team win a superbowl or have success with that type of offense.

  42. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t think Tua has anything to do with our offensive identity!

    If we were going to beef up and be a power running team, Tua could hand it off quite efficiently I imagine! 😉

  43. ocalarob says:

    they scheme due to Tua’s strengths and weaknesses ala RPO, the ol doesn’t run block for the simple reason they don’t know if he’s passing or running. so if you’re not run blocking how can you run effectively. if they run block when he passes they get hit with illegal man downfield.
    it falls back to Tua.

    • Ken says:

      Many teams run an RPO scheme as Cav showed above. The problem is our talent on the OL

    • wyoming85 says:

      You don’t know if that’s why they do that!
      You assume that’s why!
      You don’t have to try and find blame for not liking the offensive scheme. Other than the OC(s) of course!
      Although I do agree with the blocking concepts you are talking about.

      • ocalarob says:

        i don’t know if i like it or not, i’ve never seen it run like miami runs it, the short little pop or run.
        i’ll like it if its successful.
        so far our offense hasn’t been that great, the D is winning these games.
        it’s just everyone is hammering the OL, and i believe our scheme has a lot to do with that.

  44. son of a son of a shula says:

    70% chance of snow in Nashville on Sunday.

  45. Brian in NY says:


    Do you watch every single play of every single team in the NFL every single week? Because it comes off as if you do.

  46. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:
    December 30, 2021 at 12:34 pm
    i’m reading.
    Pete Carroll doggedly maintained that sticking with running the ball gave the Seahawks the best chance to win.

    ocalarob says:
    December 30, 2021 at 12:39 pm
    ok i read it, it’s still the same scenario, he’s taken every play that seattle ran and breaking it down into a sequence. so the most successful is pass run run however he’s not taking into account the situation.

    Carroll sure did, then it cost them in the playoffs against Dallas when they continued to stick with it. Kinda the point of the article and what I tried to get across to you, that ingrained belief that running to ‘keep ahead of the chains’ is not necessarily the right way to do it anymore.

    And it wasn’t just Seattle’s numbers, he broke down Seattle in the beginning, but the graphics are for all teams.

    We’re seeing the league change. Teams go for it on 4th all the time instead of kicking FGs or in situations we’d never have seen in the 80’s and 90’s, or like the Ravens go for two at the end of the game even at home, because the metrics say odds are in your favor if you do these unconventional things. This article is in the same vein.

    I’m not even sure I agree with everything the article is saying, but I thought it would be an interesting conversation, to debate some of the points the article raises, but you don’t want to converse, not really, you just want to say the things you believe over and over again like “he’s not taking into account the situation.”

    No he doesn’t, but he does remove plays that result in 1sts (similar to removing 10 yd runs). But you summarily dismiss as having no value all and everything that goes against what you think by forcing everything to meet this ultra fine tuned degree until it’s a handful of plays that says what you want (basically cherry picking).

    Do you not remember when we did this last year and I posted all those stats that showed your beliefs in the whole 1st quarter runs vs passes, effectiveness, etc didn’t exactly say what you thought they would? That conversation is in the wind and has no bearing anymore because it showed you were wrong, and here we are today and you are now asking the same things over again. “What’s the 1st quarter stats of runs vs passes?” We did all that crap already.

    You can keep paring down the variables until you get the exact numbers you are looking for on 3 plays per game (I still remember). And you can believe those 3 plays determine the whole game because they say exactly what you want, and you base your whole web of arguments around them.

    • ocalarob says:

      if i were running a team i would get the biggest quicktwitch ol i can find and a hammer in the backfield, and i would run on first down in the first qtr out of a pro set.

      and your saying that percentages of making a first down would not favor that.

      that is the argument we are having. and i don’t buy that.

      there’s nothing you can say to me to change my mind, sorry.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I know there is nothing that will change your mind, lol.

        And yes percentages don’t favor that type of offense, but I’m not saying you can’t have an effective offense that way. I’m saying the league has changed to a passing league and what is true for the 70’s and 80’s isn’t true anymore.

        This all goes back to you saying that throwing on 1st is less effective because an incomplete give your position away. I’m saying 10 years of stats show that running on 1st also gives your position away, and at a higher rate than passing on 1st.i.e. that particular factor is not as important as you think.

  47. Ken says:

    ocalarob says:
    December 30, 2021 at 12:56 pm (Edit)
    ken, they’re different, when allen runs it the whole world knows it’s a run, he’s either going to hand it off or take it himself.
    You have just described the RPO.

    • Brian in NY says:


    • ocalarob says:

      Tua is more likely to pass out of that situation because he’s not as athletic as Allen or Mahomes.
      not the same

      • Ken says:

        Our offense is almost identical to the way Buffalo and KC the biggest difference is talent on the OL. You said you didn’t know of any offenses that operate like Miami’s and I just gave you 2 examples

      • ocalarob says:

        LOL, are you joking? Mahomes has a gun, so does allen. Tua has a water pistol.
        not the same, they will kill you with downfield strikes, Tuas deep ball looks like a punt!

      • Ken says:

        The design of the offense the effectiveness is a different argument and I think your point about Tua’s arm strength has been thoroughly disproven by the last several weeks

  48. Brian in NY says:

    I was surprised to see Jerome Baker win the DPOTM in the AFC. He’s playing very well, but I didn’t think his stats were good enough for him to win that. Good for him! He seems like a really good guy.

  49. wyoming85 says:

    • CavalierKong says:

      I almost posted something similar after the game. They called forward progress very fast. The refs really blew and stopped this game from being 30-3 or even more. I wonder if they were trying to keep it under.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Yeah, that was blown dead fast but he had the ball before the ref blew the whistle.

  50. bailbondmike says:

    David, can or will you ever stop being a fucking childish troll and just talk football…

  51. CavalierKong says:

    Davis played RT in 2019 and was ranked 170 out of 171 qualifying players. We didn’t run as much RPO then. Why is it the RPO that causes him to suck now?

    In 2019, Michael Deiter was ranked 146 out of 171 qualifying players. We didn’t run as much RPO then. Why is it the RPO that causes him to be average now?

    Austin Jackson had a 52.3 grade last year, and has a 50.2 grade this year. Again, why is RPO the problem this year?

    Robert Hunt is a very good olineman. He doesn’t give up sacks and pressures every game. Why doesn’t the RPO affect him?

    That is 4 out of 5 of our linemen, 3 of which are doing exactly what they’ve shown in the past and one that is succeeding in an RPO style offense. What possible reason do we have to believe RPO is the problem for our oline?

    • ocalarob says:

      more lame stats to support an agenda. Dieter has not been able to crack the starting line up, Jackson played good last year and at a different position. Davis has played every position, if he’s as bad as you say he is why do they keep him around?

      • unbelievable, lol mental issues much?

      • CavalierKong says:

        Davis played Right tackle all of 2019 and was the 170th player out of 171. He is playing RT in 2020 and he still sucks. How is it an agenda to say a player that previously sucked at a position and still sucks in that position isn’t suddenly sucking because of RPO. The agenda is yours by randomly deciding he sucks because of the RPO.

        Do you not remember how bad our oline has been the last two years?

        Jackson played good last year? He graded out as our worst olineman last year, and still sucks this year. Why is it the RPO now?

        Deiter hasn’t been able to crack the starting lineup? Then why is it the RPO that makes him average this year?

        How come Hunt is a good lineman in the RPO?

        Do you have anything cogent and relevant to support your opinion other than a general statement of what linemen need to do in the RPO? Past performance of these guys and current performance of Hunt directly refute what you say.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Correction: He is playing RT in 2021

      • ocalarob says:

        you’re relying on stats to form an opinion, jackson held down LT all last year on a team that went 10-6, he did have flowers next to him but the general consensus at the time was he played good, going into this year there was no concern for him. they said after he struggled that it may have been due to not having flowers next to him.
        if davis is so bad why is he been starting for the last years on this team, most of these guys are very young as well.
        you won’t acknowledge that the fact they can’t engage run blocking downfield if tua decides to pass has no bearing on their run blocking ability.
        you just want to dismiss them all based on some stats,
        let’s just move on.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Again, you dismiss or ignore anything that disproves what you believe, conversely I usually try to address the points you bring up.

        First, I don’t rely just on stats to form an opinion, I watched every Dolphins game in 2019 and 2020. But stats help illustrate things, like what every Dolphins fan knows about our oline in 2019/ 2020. I remember that we had the absolute worst oline in the league in 2019, and we were better, but not much in 2020. It’s not debatable. It’s history.

        I know that veterans Karras and Flowers helped to improve our line last year, and rookie Kindley was decent, and Jackson was considered a work in progress, but we were still near the bottom of the league and we got rid of those veteran guys this year. There, is that better than providing stats that support what I know and believe?

        In regards to the general statement about linemen’s responsibilities in the RPO. We run more RPO than anyone else, yes. But KC, Buff, and numerous other teams run RPO and their lines handle it fine. Why would I consider that the RPO ruins our oline because we run RPOs 5%-10% more than KC or Buff? Especially when I know the history of the players like Davis who has always been serviceable at best, and not very good most of the time. Or Deiter who has never shown much of anything.

        Why would I look to invent reasons why these guys still suck? I don’t have an agenda, so I’m not inventing reasons. I’m using logic to say someone who hasn’t been very good, still isn’t very good.

        Your logic on Davis is: He has been our starter so he can’t be bad. What kind of logic is that? There are no bad starters in this league? I don’t know why he keeps starting for us. I’m pretty sure the plan wasn’t to have Davis start this year at RT, but he ended up our best option because we have a bunch of backups and rookies.

        To continue on the idea that olines can’t block for RPO because of the 1 yd rule, why can olines like KC and Buff handle running RPOs and it’s just ours that can’t? And why can Hunt on our oline handle the RPO? Is he special? Hmm, maybe it’s just that he’s just a good olineman. And why does our oline suck on the other 70%-75% of our none RPO plays too?

        I agree, I should just move on. When you give general statements of belief as reasoning, then call out a players past history as irrelevant and season long stats as an agenda, clearly it’s pointless.

      • ocalarob says:

        Hunt should be playing RT but Davis beat him out, so there’s that. why other teams run the RPO and running game with success, they have a different skilset at QB. they also operate out of multiple sets, not just the RPO
        as for how much we run the RPO vs other teams.
        first you have to define RPO.
        our offense is soley based on the RPO or something similar based on your definition, from what i’ve seen we run it just about every play.
        never do i see other teams operate like that. we are different offensively to every other team in the league.
        and IMO it affects the way the OL has to play.
        I didn’t make this shit up, i read it from multiple sources.

    • ocalarob says:

      what they are doing is trying to stretch the field horizontally instead of vertically based on Tuas arm strength, that’s why you see all the inside outside short passes and occasional runs. the scheme has the OL in pass pro 99% of the time. not only do they not run block, these DE’s are teeing off on every down.
      that being the case stats are misleading.

  52. Ken says:

    Gotta run to a medical appointment. Peace everyone

  53. orob, you said you werent going to bash Tua anymore, u fucking LIAR!

    its a shame he doesnt get to bash the fuck out of YOU

  54. Revelation 21:8

    ,,,,,,,,, and ALL liars, (including ocalawaste)
    shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  55. bailbondmike says:

    I’m out for a while also. To much childish trolling.

  56. bailbondmike says:

    Upchurch has some funny rants sometimes.

    Now, I’m out. BBL

  57. Ken says:

    David WTF is your problem? I asked you yesterday to be respectful of the other bloggers even the ones you don’t agree with. Please try to honor that. Not for me but for Stanger as I asked. It’s okay to disagree it’s not okay to make personal attacks. I gotta run but please just everyone get along

  58. The Flying Pig says:

    David what the fuck are you doing!?!!


  59. Brian in NY says:

    Shifting gears, I know a lot on this blog like Creed Humphrey (myself included), and he is turning out to be an absolute stud. I remember thinking KC drafted him a little high, partly because I wanted him to fall to us, but he is turning out to be a very good center. I wish we had that late first this past year!

  60. CavalierKong says:

    Rob, ok I understand you think Tua’s arm contributes to the issues and I agree part of what needs to be done in this convo is defining what RPO is for our team.

    I have read articles regarding what you have said about how it is more difficult to run RPO in the NFL because of the 1 yd rule, so I know you aren’t making that up.

    I believe we run RPO probably around 20%-30% per game at most. I think what we do is run everything out of formations and looks that look just like RPO to disguise intentions. So what you get is a handoff or a playaction out of shotgun that may look like something like RPO because it’s disguised as such. It seems like we run RPO 40 or 50 plays, but actually it’s only 10-15. And of course our oline knows which plays are which, and only has to ‘adjust’ to RPO plays. JMO, but it is also based on stats showing the number of RPOs we’ve run which lines up with the 25%-30%.

    Your second post about stretching the field horizontally because of Tua’s arm strength I think is a better argument which of course turns into chicken or egg…is it Tua’s arm or the line’s inability to block long enough that forces us to play this way. Or perhaps both.

    Anyway, thanks for the responses. We’ve run this argument into the ground and I have to go shopping, gotta get my wings for this Sunday. If you want to keep it going, I’ll respond when I return. And I’ll say even though we strongly disagree and even take the occasional debate jibe, I appreciate that we can keep it cordial. Cheers, Bro

  61. wyoming85 says:

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 21: Christian Harris, OLB/ILB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 13: George Pickens, WR, Georgia (A)
    Round 3 Pick 36 (COMP): Jarrett Patterson, OG/C, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 11: CJ Verdell, RB, Oregon (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 18: Zion TupuolaFetui, DE/OLB, Washington (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Al Blades, CB, Miami (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 28: Tyler Allgeier, RB, Brigham Young (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 3: Cordell Volson, OT, North Dakota State (A+)

  62. mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    December 30, 2021 at 1:27 pm
    Revelation 21:8

    ,,,,,,,,, and ALL liars, (including ocalawaste)
    shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
    Bruh, you can’t be posting Bible verses while at the same time cursing people out in attack mode: it’s a very bad, bad look for Christians and contradictory to His word, man.

    Look, we all lose our cool from time to time… I completely understand. But what you are currently doing is BLASPHEMOUS. PLEASE refrain from inserting the Bible into your vulgar posts… I ask you this as your Brother and friend.

  63. mf13ss says:

    I grew up on John Madden, the announcer, in the early 80s. SO many fond memories of him announcing! Here’s a highlight reel of some of his greatest moments…

    RIP, John Madden

  64. Tim Knight says:


  65. wyoming85 says:

  66. mf13ss says:

    Hey, BBMike,

    I think we acquired an additional 2023 1st round pick in the event that Tua was to fail us, in order to get the best available QB in 2023. Now follow me… IF our FO BELIEVES in Tua at the end of this season (I know I believe in Tua), there is a chance we could do some trading up and down in order to get your man Jameson Williams this coming April.

    Not sure we’d do this, but there could be an outside chance, my guy!

  67. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t think the QB class is so bad

    I don’t think there are any elite prospects worthy if high picks
    But I think it’s a deep class and a team that wants to bring in competition or groom a backup has a lot of options on day 2

    And you never know, maybe there’s a difference maker and a steal
    Maybe some ones the perfect fit for an offense

    • Tim Knight says:

      The numbers game doesn’t usually pan out for 2nd tier type talent at QB though. It’s hard to groom rookie QBs as backups because they don’t get a lot of snaps behind the starter and they have no NFL game experience. Relying on those guys when they just get started doesn’t usually go so well. The better backup QBs are usually guys who’ve gotten some starter experience over a few years.

      If you draft a QB you should see some starter upside in them.

  68. Ken says:

    Kenny Pickett is the best of the bunch and most pro ready imo. I don’t think he has a huge ceiling but I could see him being a competent NFL QB

  69. mf13ss says:

    Brian in NY says:
    December 30, 2021 at 4:35 pm
    Thoughts on Kenny Pickett?
    I’m ALWAYS 100% when it comes to my player assessments. As such (and being I believe that Tua is the ONE), I’ve not watched a single rep from Pickett.

    I understand that he’s a potential 1st rounder in the 2022 Draft… as such, I don’t feel we need to draft a 1st round QB.

    • mf13ss says:

      My draft futures almost exclusively go towards what we need. In watching college football, I’ll sometimes come across somebody who is NICE(!), and we don’t necessarily need.

      Unfortunately, I’ve got nothing to tell ya about Kenny Pickett. Sorry, Bro.

  70. wyoming85 says:

  71. Ken says:

    The QB with the most upside in this draft is Carson Strong

  72. mf13ss says:


    I want to tell ya that I 100% understand where you’re coming from, regarding the RPO vs our O-Line. However… as the QB scans the field pre-snap, he understands what he’s looking at. If it’s going to be a run play, he most assuredly barks code before the snap to let his O-Linemen know to run-block, and conversely if it’s going to be a pass-play… it’s not so improv as you’d think.

    The pro-RPO is anything but the traditional college RPO as many think it is, my friend. A certifiable football mind and friend corrected my traditional thinking of the RPO.

    • mf13ss says:

      In short, the college version of RPO is NOTHING like NFL-RPO.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The RPO is never improv. It’s based on what the QB sees. The defense does not know what he sees or whether it will be a hand off of pass play. The OL knows what it’s going to be with the exception of a play here or there where at the last moment something changes. But that’s not how it’s done most of the time.

  73. Randy says:

    Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I just really have no stomach for some of the crap that goes on here anymore. Anyway, I haven’t looked at players specifically enough to have an opinion on most draftees. I know Linderbaum well just because he’s from Iowa. I will say I like what I’ve seen from Schmidt…I think that’s his name…from Minnesota, as I saw him a fair amount too. I think he’ll be in the draft this year. He’s a 3rd rounder, at best.

  74. Randy says:

    Man, it would be great if Brown couldn’t play. He’s a stud. He’s their best player after Henry. I’d feel pretty good about beating them if he was out.

  75. Brian in NY says:


    I agree with Tua being better than anyone in this draft class. It will be interesting to see how he fares in these next two games; it may very well determine his fate with the franchise. I think the Watson deal is still very much in play.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Why would the last two games define his fate? That would nullify everything he’s done in 6 of the 7 game win streak? Does the OL that would likely be the culprit get a pass?

      • Brian in NY says:

        Because if he shits the bed Tim I think it will almost be a certainty we go for Watson in the offseason.

      • Brian in NY says:

        If he crushes it that gives the FO the confidence that he can perform
        Well in big games

      • Tim Knight says:

        Meaning if he plays really bad or just because we lose?

        You don’t develop young QBs in their 2nd year specifically the way Tua’s career started off based on 2 games.

    • mf13ss says:

      All I can tell ya is that I do NOT trust Steve Ross. He’s going to have his say and it will be executed at the end of the day. That stated, I concur that the Watson deal is still in play.

      I believe we should build around TUA(!), but I’m not the owner, either.

    • Brian in NY says:

      It’s the two games with his whole body of work. If he plays like total garbage there’s a good chance they trade for Watson given the chance. It’s no secret they have had interest in him, and that would fuel it.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I have never seen Tua play like total garbage. I don’t think our offense overall is good enough to really see Tua’s upside. I think it’s in its infancy.

        Think about it like this. What players on offense outside of Tua are “must” keeps?

  76. Ken says:

    If we make the playoffs and have a good showing the Watson deal is dead and I think it is likely dead no matter what

  77. Ken says:

    I suspect there will be more possible suitors for Watson this off season as I believe Carolina, the Giants, the Browns , the Steelers will all be players in the QB market and Watson will have to expand his no trade clause list if wants to get traction

  78. wyoming85 says:

    Is this the time??????

  79. Brian in NY says:

    I’d love for us to grab Jahan Dotson in the second if he’s there when we pick. He’s a playmaker at PSU, just like Godwin and Robinson were, and their success translated well to the pros. He’s got that it factor .

  80. wyoming85 says:

    I hope your OK Boulder!

  81. Tim Knight says:

    What if this Sunday against the Titans the defense doesn’t play well and allows 30+ points, the OL has a nightmare day and Tua struggles because of that and we lose say 34-13? That’s defines if Tua is the answer? Our offense as currently constructed is okay at best, not a real good offense. That’s not going to change in the next two games.

    • Brian in NY says:

      I would hope that the FO would take that I to consideration. My point was how HE plays, not the rest of the team. I understand what you’re saying about the OL, but they’ve been a disaster for most of the season, no?

  82. mf13ss says:


    IYO, should we sign A-Rob (Allen Robinson)? Silly question, I know! 😉

  83. CavalierKong says:


    I fry up so many wings I had to compromise with my wife and agree that I would only make them every other week at most during football season. I’ll fry up a 2.5 lb bag (usually about 16-18 wings) and eat all of them except for 2 or 3 my wife eats. I try to space it out over two days (and sometimes succeed), but still not very healthy, lol.

    I’ve got about 20 different sauce/ rub recipes and about 10 different ways of frying them up (battered, breaded, naked, double-fried, etc). A buddy of mine tried to convince me to open a wing shop with him being the major investor, which I declined (screw running any kind of restaurant, they are brutal and unforgiving businesses), but I know my wings are restaurant quality.

    Buffalo wings are my favorite, but I also really like garlic and butter, Korean style sticky wings, and I have a copy cat recipe for Asian zing that is also terrific.

    One trick I use for my battered wings is only sauce what you’re going to eat. Leave the rest unsauced and you can refrigerate them, then air fry them right up and they are nearly as crunchy as when they first come out of the oil.

    When I’m serving a couple people, I usually serve them unsauced and have the sauce in a bowl you can spoon it onto wings as you eat. If I’m serving a crowd and I know they are going to all get devoured within a half hour or so, I sauce them all up.

    I’ll drop my favorite buffalo wing recipe here tonight. It’s not traditional buffalo wings because they are battered, but the batter is very light and I promise if you prepare them right, they are the crunchiest, tastiest wings you’ll ever make. It might be too much prep work for most people, but I make them every other week, lol, and it really doesn’t take that much longer than just throwing them into the oil, and the results are absolutely worth the extra effort.

  84. sb7mvp says:

    X was mic’d up for New Orleans

  85. Tim Knight says:

    I think the Ross stuff with reaching out about what Watson’s status will be in the NFL and with his legal issues was him doing his due diligence. He was thinking if my football guys make this trade I want to know we’re not getting screwed. That’s what he did but it was reported like he was driving the trade. That’s not what he was doing. We found that out after the fact.

  86. sb7mvp says:

    Study ball with Kurt Warner

  87. Brian in NY says:

    I think Tua is a good QB. As usual, we find ourselves in a tough position as we don’t know what he’ll become in 1-2 years. Will he be a great QB with a good OL? It’s impossible to predict. The conundrum is we may have the opportunity to get a GREAT QB, likely top five in the league at the age of 27. That opportunity doesn’t present itself often, and it’s one that will define this franchise moving forward for the next decade plus, like the Brees situation. It’s a tough decision for sure.

  88. Ken says:

    I don’t see Hurts as a long term solution in Philadelphia. He can be wildly inaccurate

  89. Randy says:

    I don’t think Flores feels like he needs a star QB to win. It looks like he wants to win with strong D/ST and winning low scoring, close games. I’m guessing, but I think he just wants a QB who makes the right plays and doesn’t turn the ball over.

    • Brian in NY says:

      You may be right Randy, but Grier and Ross may feel differently. How many of those QBs have won a SB in the last 20 years? 1, maybe 2? You need an elite QB to win Super Bowls and contend on a yearly basis in this league

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think it’s because that’s how we have to play to win now. I think Flores would love to be up 28-3 in the 1st half. 😉

  90. Krishna says:

    Watson? Watson who? Why?

    I don’t get it.

  91. Randy says:

    Yep, I tend to agree with you. But, one thing that can win you championships even if you don’t have a great QB, is a really good defense. We’ll see how these guys continue to build this thing.
    And even though I’m not a huge fan of Tua, I think fans are jumping to conclusion on him far too early. Plus, I think he’ll look even better once they improve the offense around him. How much better? We’ll see.

  92. Tim Knight says:

    I do not think Watson is worth what the asking price has been reported to be. He’s a very good young QB but he’s not elite. He may also lack leadership skills because he apparently has some fucked up fetishes that is not a good look for a leader or the face of your franchise.

  93. CavalierKong says:


    Thanks for the Warner video. I love that he just gets right to it, and the entire video is breaking down plays.

    So last night, I’m flipping through stuff to watch, and I see on Paramount that ‘Inside the NFL’ is playing for week 16. I think to myself “That used to be my favorite weekly NFL show back in the day”, so I put it on.

    It’s pure garbage now. 50% of the show is Brandon Marshall being a ‘personality’. That is the same reason I don’t watch Sports Center, NFL Network, or any of the other sports shows anymore. They waste so much of your time. I want the show to be breakdowns, not personalities, but you can’t get that on most TV anymore because it’s the effing personalities the hoi polloi want to see.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Me too Kong. That’s why I hate watching those shows, and MNF now. I read earlier in the season that ESPN went to more of a conversational vibe with it vs. the normal announcer/ analyst format always used in the past. I hate it.

      • CavalierKong says:

        In the last 5 years or so, literally the only time ESPN or NFL Network has been on my tv is when I’m using NFLbite to stream a football game playing on one of those channels, lol.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Oh, I think the draft is one of those channels too even when watched on a local network.

  94. ocalarob says:

    the other 8-7 teams have a tough road ahead,
    balt plays the rams and pitt
    chargers , den & lv
    lv plays indy & den

  95. Brian in NY says:

    All I’m saying is this- It is proven that Watson is a top tier QB. We HOPE that Tua can be one. If the FO has the chance to acquire Watson and Tua goes somewhere else and becomes one as well, all that can be said is “we have one too”. If they pass on the opportunity and Tua turns out to be merely good, it’s a d soon they will regret not making. Believe me, I’d MUCH rather Tua become a great QB and keep all of our draft picks

  96. Ken says:

    I guess the thing that really bothers me about Watson is that he is perhaps the most selfish player in the game. He could have played this season but chose not to for his personal decision. He let his teammates go out every week without him because he wants a trade. You never win this guys like this. He doesn’t care about his teammates and team

  97. Krishna says:

    Sometimes talent isn’t enough to make you a team player in the ultimate team sport.

  98. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, I was never the biggest Tua guy going back to college but always listened to football people I respect talking about why he’s special. His instincts and accuracy are elite. He rarely gets sacked behind this OL because he’s not a fool and knows what he has to do to help the team win. He’s about wins, not stats. Load up the offense around him and I think he shreds the NFL. I really do.

    • steveccnv says:

      So Montana and noy Young?

      • steveccnv says:


      • Tim Knight says:

        Same operating system but each person is their own. Joe Montana was considered too frail and not enough arm. Steve Young looked like a bust in Tampa. Instincts and accuracy were key as they developed.

        Steve Young was also like Taysom Hill as a runner but a much better passer. Montana was more savvy in all phases. He rarely made mistakes. But again, instincts and accuracy were key. Tua has that.

      • steveccnv says:

        Why I say Montana and not Young, is mostly on arm strength, but also scrambling style

  99. mf13ss says:

    I’m not crying, YOU are crying… 😦

  100. sb7mvp says:

    Yeah, I hardly watch those shows because I know they only have people on there saying dumb stuff to generate views.

  101. mf13ss says:


  102. Tim Knight says:

    I agree with M13, in the spirit of Stanger overcoming his health issues and getting well, along with the spirit of the GREAT John Madden who was all about football, let’s enjoy the run our team is on and put everything into perspective. 🙂

  103. The Flying Pig says:


    That’s is what bothers me about Watson too

    I won’t speculate too much about his legal issues – bc we just don’t know, I have a pretty good idea of what it appears like happened

    But as as a general rule I don’t want to judge him to harshly based on what I read

    But I know he demanded a trade and hurt the team he is supposed to be a leader to. I don’t like the way he handled his fight with the Texans, from demanding a trade to limiting their options – the whole thing is just absurd

    • The Flying Pig says:

      And those actions didn’t get a lot of attention bc of the other controversies surrounding him

    • Brian in NY says:

      I agree with this, but the Texans also traded away Hopkins, and their FO seems to leave a lot to be desired. Not defending Watson for his actions either

  104. wyoming85 says:

    Ok Ok OK
    Everyone else has had their turn, so I’m going to give it a try this week!

    Play Off scenarios for the Miami Dolphins

    Miami over Tennessee

    How’d I do?????? 😉

  105. Brian in NY says:


    One of the first things I noticed about Tua in the NFL was his accuracy, especially in that Arizona game. He’s got a very strong arm in the short to mid range throws- I don’t think we can fairly assess on the long ones due to the OL, but he certainly has to improve there. He’s definitely a smart QB, and I’d love for him to put it all together with us. He’s such a likeable person, and I bought my son a Tua jersey for his birthday that he has since outgrown and my daughter now wears it. But the last is a totally selfish reason.

  106. wyoming85 says:

    I would like to introduce MR Burrow to Mr Ogbah, Mr Phillips, Mr Baker, Mr Wilkins, and Mr Sieler Cav

  107. Mike E. says:

    Kong – great points earlier. I enjoyed it

  108. wyoming85 says:

    I hate this shit!
    Tuned in to watch Pickett VS Walker lll and they’ve both opted out!

  109. bailbondmike says:

    BRYAN, I am so glad you brought up Dotson. He is my #3 who, if we were picking at around #21 I still might take him. I feel, if he had a better QB people would be talking about him more than the 2 OSU receivers. I would love to get any of Jameson Williams, Garrett Wilson and Jahan Dotson. Those 3 are probably the fastest WR’s come next draft and Dotson does not get the love he deserves. He was very good last year and superb this year.

    All 3 above are low 4.3 40 guys and would love to have any of them!

    Y’all know my fav is Jameson Williams from the beginning of the college season due to his height/speed combo but, again, I would be happy with any of the 3.

  110. bailbondmike says:

    M13, that extra 2023 1st does give us some leverage to trade up this draft but I would prefer they don’t. I think I would take any of Williams, Wilson, Dotson or Linderbaum with our 1st and roll with it.

  111. bailbondmike says:

    Bryan/M13, what you think about PSU LB Brandon Smith if he is there when we pick in the second round?

  112. bailbondmike says:

    I have to say, it’s Dec 30th and I think I cooked the best dinner tonight of the entire year. Our friend came down from TN with the biggest and most perfect fillets I have ever seen. Huge! I seasoned them up, set my Masterbuilt gravity fed grill at 690 degrees. Did the diced red potatoes with lipton onion soup/dip mix in the oven. Sautéed bell pepper’s, onion and mushrooms to put on top of taters and steamed fresh broccoli with cheese. Made my own garlic butter to slab on the steaks as soon as I took them off the grill.

    I am stuffed and swear I want to go to the frig and eat some leftovers. lol

  113. Tim Knight says:

    Nobody answered my question asking who we have on offense that is a “must” keep heading into next year not counting Tua and the QB position? I’ll start with Waddle and maybe Gesicki. We’re talking “must” not solid or okay players. Who can’t be replaced somewhat easily with top cap space and a solid draft?

    If I’m GM of the Dolphins adding vet pro level OL to the mix along with more playmakers at WR and RB is at the top of the list. I really don’t care how it’s done. It’s about playmakers!!! Grier and Flores have to be a top competitor in 2022.

    Tua can make that happen if you allow him to do it. I’ve seen enough. He’s been adapting to playing with limited resources. Right now our defense is leading the way and everyone knows that. Offense and STs do their part but also frustrate during this run. It’s not about one guy.

    Target offense early and often in 2022 and let Tua do his thing. Good things will happen.

  114. Tim Knight says:

    I’d prefer a WR like Hines Ward, Deebo Samuel or Anquan Boldin opposite Waddle. You can’t focus on both. Add a physical inside RB to that and a lot can change overnight. When you start converting more 1st downs it opens up big plays.

    Of course a solid OL is key. Play at a pro level and allow playmakers to do their thing.

  115. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I brought up signing Allen Robinson a week or so ago and was shot down. LOL

    He does have durability issues like Parker but when they play they’re top shelf. I don’t know what to think anymore. Some guys are just so talented that when they play they make more of an impact then the run of the mill guys. Allen Robinson is not getting a monster contract anymore at 29 years old in the 2022 season, but he could get 2 years $25M from a team like us if it’s a good fit.

  116. ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    December 30, 2021 at 12:57 pm
    Carroll sure did, then it cost them in the playoffs against Dallas when they continued to stick with it. Kinda the point of the article and what I tried to get across to you, that ingrained belief that running to ‘keep ahead of the chains’ is not necessarily the right way to do it anymore.

    You’re taking this article like it’s the bible, how does this guy assess that running the ball cost them the game? the game is won and lost at the LOS, it comes down to individual match-ups.
    They could’ve passed the entire game and still got beat.
    How would anyone come to that conclusion. it’s pure speculation.

  117. ocalarob says:

    mf13ss says:
    December 30, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    I want to tell ya that I 100% understand where you’re coming from, regarding the RPO vs our O-Line. However… as the QB scans the field pre-snap, he understands what he’s looking at. If it’s going to be a run play, he most assuredly barks code before the snap to let his O-Linemen know to run-block, and conversely if it’s going to be a pass-play… it’s not so improv as you’d think.

    I disagree, in the RPO the play develops based on what the designated defender does, the QB doesn’t read the defender until the play is in progress so how can he bark orders presnap?

    • Krishna says:


      • ocalarob says:

        how Davidesque of you

      • Krishna says:

        Lol….you should look in the mirror

      • ocalarob says:

        I know i shouldn’t respond to your stupidity but here goes. in the future i will refrain myself.
        I don’t need to look in a mirror, i write about football you write stupid shit, you’re a troll just like David, you guys are two peas in a pod.
        you should change your name to Davishna

      • ocalarob says:

        Or maybe try Krishvid ?? either one is fitting.

      • Krishna says:

        Orob, you’re a funny guy and you make me laugh!

        If that’s trolling, deal with it.

        You dismiss everyone else’s opinion, their research, and statistics and stand on your pedestal pontificating to the blog without facts, stats, or smarts and many times contradicting yourself in the process.

        It makes you laughable….so I laugh!

      • ocalarob says:

        why laugh? why not specify instead of a stupid trollish generic response? ? what you do is cloud issues with nonsense
        why even bother responding?
        it gives you pleasure to talk shit.
        you have a stalking presence here. I’m not the only one you stalk. it’s pretty kreepy.
        and you wanted me to drive an hour to meet you! LOL
        i don’t socialize with kreeps.
        what kind of person starts shit on the internet? you have mental issues

      • ocalarob says:

        how about if I start stalking you? how would you feel about that? what if i started making fun of you? what if i included your deceased wife? how would you feel about that? it seems you are trying to drag me down to your level.
        I don’t like you and never will, that’s why i steer clear of you. if you & I were at a fest we would not talk.
        so let me ask you in a nice way to please stop stalking me.
        Thanks in advance

  118. ocalarob says:

    the difference is, in a pro set where the OL knows it’s a running play they are firing off the ball attacking the DL. in the RPO they can’t do that.
    pro set is imposing your will vs RPO is very passive, not imposing.
    my interpretation of championship teams are that they impose their will, they are not passive

  119. Krishna says:

    Hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year’s eve celebration!

    I will be trying to duplicate my (Mrs K’s) vegetarian beer chili for a gathering tonight. It went over so well for a Christmas party the host had so he asked me to it again.

    CK, I’m pretty sure you have great chili recipes, but I might be able to best you on this one….😉

    Anyway, probably out for now.

  120. bailbondmike says:

    Tim, I think you have to keep Tua, Waddle, Gesicki, Hunt, Eich. I keep Parker through the remainder of his contract because, if he can be healthy for say 12 games a season the next 2 seasons, he will be worth it. He only costs us just over 5 mill a year for a really good WR when healthy. I keep Duke and Lindsay. They are vets with good running and receiving ability and good vision our other backs are lacking. I also keep Hollins. He adds a lot of value to this team. I can go on about players I would keep for depth.

    We need to add another stud WR and RB. But, the biggest need is RT, LG, C in that order.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Sorry, Parker costs us a little more at almost 9mil per. His dead money is just over 5mil. I still think I keep him.

      Unless I can package him in a trade up to get Jameson Williams. lol

  121. Brian in NY says:


    Brandon Smith is very athletic, as most to the LBs have been in recent years. He played the SAM a lot but has flourished at the WILL spot. He’s okay in coverage but can rush the passer and is stout against the run. I wouldn’t complain about him being here, but he’d likely have to bounce Van Ginkel out. I like AVG a lot, and think he’s carved a nice spot for himself in the roster.

  122. Brian in NY says:


    The old must haves for the offense is Gesicki and Waddle, maybe Mack Hollins because of his penchant for the big play and his value in ST.

  123. herdfan says:

    Sigh….it’s the beginning of the last day of the year. We find ourselves still in playoff contention when earlier in the season we’d have thought anyone who suggested it had lost their mind! Yet we still can’t seem to have civil conversation and debate, even when being reminded, in fact flat out told to refrain from going at each other. Even the reminder of what is going on with Stanger currently hasn’t changed things much.

    I’d like to remind everyone who is engaging in this bad behavior that you are literally killing this blog by your actions. Randy said it yesterday, he doesn’t come around as often because of it and I’ve said the same to the other admins. I click on the page and see this constant arguing and name calling and personal attacks and close it. We try not to censor anyone because we believe everyone has reasonable intelligence and manners to know how to behave. Yet here we are.

    I just paid the bill for the next year. I have to tell you for the first time ever I had to think about whether I really was going to. This isn’t about money. My fellow admins chip in when I ask and there have been other offers from some of you. It’s not a lot in my mind and since I don’t write articles it’s my contribution. My point is to the issue of how some of you are behaving. Is it really that hard to behave like civilized adults? This is supposed to be FUN, something to ENJOY. I love a good debate. What happens here is if you can’t change the other person’s position to your own, let the name calling commence. That’s the sign of someone who has nothing valid left to say. It’s also childish and annoying to everyone else, not to mention extremely selfish to take over a space that is provided for everyone’s enjoyment because you can’t adhere to a little common courtesy and stop the petty arguments and name calling. If it continues this way you’ll have no one to talk to but yourself.

    I’m not addressing this to anyone in particular but if you think any of it might pertain to you, it probably does.

    Stay safe, and keep sending good vibes, thoughts, prayers or whatever it is you do Stanger‘s way. Sorry for the rant. It’s been building up for awhile.

    💥🐬✨❤️ 🏈 🥂💪🏻🙏🏻

  124. bailbondmike says:

    Tim, I like the idea of having an Allen Robinson but not at that cost. We have a good number of players to resign or sign. We have a lot of cap space but only have 37 under contract for next season. Ogbah will take a huge chunk. I’m thinking 15-20 mil. The best F/A RT on the market is Trent Brown. Pats signed him on a 1 year deal for 7.5. I think we could get him on a 3 year deal for 10-12 mil per. Then we have Gesicki who I wouldn’t pay over 10mil per for but he will probably get more. Not sure. We could be looking at almost half our cap space for those 3. If we could sign Robinson for the price of Fuller and keep the price down on the 3 above, I may do it. We still need to sign a stud LG and replenish our LB corps.

    Signing a high priced WR isn’t going to help us if we don’t fix the OL.

  125. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!!

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