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Finsmob Unleashed 
I didn’t like the wasted time out near the goal line late, and there were a lot of those, such as not getting a FG kicked before halftime, plus 3 late game collapses, but all teams lose games on late field goals from time to time, plus losing to Jax, plus not doing well with hiring coordinators, and then a very unimaginative offense as well, but I still think this is a very bad decision.
Hulk trying not to smash office
my brother in law, a Ravens fan, made the comment that Flores only won 1 more game than Gase in same amount of time. I’m not looking it up cuz I can’t bring myself to type that name more than once in a day…. but could that be somehow a part of Ross ‘thinking’? The consensus amongst so many long time NFL people is that Flores is going to have a great career.
Maybe it was how Flores handled the Offensive Coordinator spot the last few years…
I just think Flores is one of the good people, and you just shouldn’t treat that quality of a person like a commodity.
He’s popular with players yet tough enough to keep them together during the losing streak and just needed one more year to pull it all together.
Saying that is ignorant, if you mean it
Gase took a team with some talent and got to the playoffs year 1, Flores with direction from Ross tore it down, those 5 wins were unbelievable
Flores had 2 winning seasons after rebuild, Gase was a mess by end of year 3
I agree. I said the same thing to my brother in law.
If you are upset that Flores was fired
Go watch the Jacksonville game again
You know Flores will now go on to have a HOF career as a HC
I hate when people say that, just like they do every time we get rid of a QB
…checks calendar…not April 1st…pinches dirty ape arm…not asleep…LSD?…shrooms? don’t remember deciding to trip balls……
Kong considers possibility entire blog is messing with him…confirmed online…
Kong considers entire internet is messing with him…
Lol
I think because the Raiders are rumored to be interested in Harbaugh, and after the Raiders won last night and are still playing, Ross made the move now in hopes of swooping in to get Harbaugh now. JMO.
Harbaugh the Michigan coach right?
I hate that guy.
Flores certainly made some mistakes but he did more right than wrong. He kept the team together and the team never quit on him. He earned the right to keep coaching. The team is coming off back to back winning seasons unlike Gase who took over a fairly talented team and destroyed it by the time he left the team was heading the wrong way
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I better not find out Marino had anything to do with this
I got a ton of work to do today. Not gonna give Ross any more of my energy today. Bottom line is, regardless of roster status, 3 years is the expiration time on this job.
In the end he couldn’t beat Buffalo and the team was soft overall
that and the Jax and Titan mismanaged games.
The Dolphins point at his overall record as the reason behind the decision.
That’s the kind of logic I’d expect from people here
Ok Ross you dumbass, you okd the rebuild, that means you take the first year and throw it out, 2nd year we overachieved, but wasted FA money, that hurt this year, this year we underachieved 19-14 coming off of a rebuild doesn’t scream he should be fired based on record
But I call BS to record as the reason
Seems there was a problem between Flores and Grier/Tua
Also not making the playoffs didn’t help and thebway we lost to Tenn
Yeah, all those dumbasses here on this blog with no real logic. Show us the light Steve. Bring us Awakening!
Was expecting a reply from Mr logic himself
I think if you invest the draft capital in the OL that we did, you have to see results better than we did.
Problem with the OL was too much youth, no great talent, and the wrong person as OL coach
There are numerous times when a team has brought in lots of young talent on the OL and had several great years after, including two different eras in Dallas.
Did you stop reading at the first comma
Jeff Darlington posts that the Dolphins are NOT targeting Harbaugh, so that’s good.
I want some hot offensive minded coach who can draw up a game plan to put up 30 ppg. Our d can take care of itself, if we just get one high quality MLB.
Not sure the D can continue as they were, unless Boyer stays and I doubt he does
Kong presses own self destruct button…
Kong sadly realizes he doesnt have a self destruct button…
Where is Rock when we need him
Stand the fuck up.
Somehow it’s not the same unless Rock does it.
While I had problems with Flores, I’m not seeing how this is an improvement for the team. Do we have someone in mind because I bet we don’t. I think Grier was the obvious fire…so we kept him. I just don’t see how this makes us a better team.
On the flip side, Flores seems very abrasive. I always wondered why he couldn’t find or keep coachs or why talented FAs left. If he’s a reason we can’t keep FAs, then I at least understand this move. I don’t understand how his relationship to Tua was a factor since we chased Watson? Pretty confused overall.
Aha! Kong sees something in this post that brings clarity…
Kong latches onto 3 little words that ring true…
“Pretty confused overall.” – THIS Kong understands…
Why explain something, when your reasoning seems to be tainted?
We’ll never get the real reason, besides something dumb like Ross isn’t getting any younger and wants a championship
Why not just say bless her heart Ross
wow this is all so interesting
Ross wants Watson, Flores must’ve nixed the deal
Watson wanted to play for Flores so that doesn’t seem to make sense
Not that I want him but WTF? If you think he’s the guy you need to not be sentimental about it.
That was supposed to be a reply to the post about Harbaugh and Michigan.
I was wondering when we would start hearing from players and which ones would lament the firing.
Our new HC MUST have a dynamic (not gimmicky) playbook that puts pressure on defenses all over the field. We must challenge the back end better, and we can’t just have one script each half.
Once again we’re in the drama playoffs. Not even sure if anyone can touch us in that regard.
Well the Bears fired Nagy, and he got them to the playoffs twice in 4 years and won coach of the year.
Vikes fired Zimmer, and he went to the playoffs 5 of 8 years and had a 74-59 record.
Maybe losing Minkah and McKinney and his handling of Van Noy factored in.
That’s in the GM
Kong considers throwing tantrum then realizes…if it’s considered, it’s not really a tantrum…he’s starting to feel like Kong again…
After successfully talking about self in 4th person, wonders if there is a way to talk about self in the 5th person…
go yoda on your thoughts … that will put you in 5th.
Going back to bed, Kong is.
I meant that as a compliment to the humorous and fascinating way you are handling the firing.
I wouldn’t expect a gentleman of your stature to speak in anything less.
https://twitter.com/RobertHandyHunt/status/1480570258155057152?s=20
Wow that was a surprise. I didn’t see that coming. Not sure if that was a smart move. If anything I would have fired Grier.
At least we kept you. Thanks for coming back and bringing the winning streak with you.
Thanks 🙂
Shit I actually would consider Zimmer now. He’s a good coach. He was just in Minnesota for too long.
good point
The firing does put a damper on things for the players.
And fans.
I was ready to continue partying over sweeping NE and finishing with a winning record two years in a row for the first time in a long time.
Ross is in his 80s he wants to win now. As well. I’m sure there are things happening behind the scene that we don’t know about. Flores couldn’t figure out the offense and couldn’t beat the Bills or even come close. I still think we should get another defensive coach that can get the running game and the oline figured out. Run the ball and play defense. Easy enough lol.
https://twitter.com/blakeferguson44/status/1480564622256128008?s=20
Fuck. Here comes Harbaugh. Fuck Fuck Fuck
Watches in amazement as Kong successfully talk about self in 5th person.
Feels jealous urges.
Tries to tamp these urges unsuccessfully.
Will update in future.
Lol @ Kong this morning, hilarious stuff. 😂
I understand that if there’s things they didn’t like about Flo to move on from him, but to make this move without any replacements in mind is why this franchise has been aimless for 20+ years.
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I mean have a job lined up before you quit
Bienemy
Pete Carroll may be on his way out?
Daboll
It’s amazing how we have been a .500 team for so long now
Win 25 games and you get a 4th year…lol
Did we fire Joe Philbin a few games into tear 4?
That was the Dan Campbell year, yes
Flores is a classy guy. I feel for him but he’ll get interviews and probably a guaranteed DC position somewhere.
I saw on ESPN that he’s probably gonna get one of the free HC jobs. He’ll be in demand.
Was happy this morning with no Monday morning hangover.
Now, I feel like I started drinking first thing in the morning, fast forward and it’s early evening and I feel like shit now.
WTF
It doesn’t make sense to keep Grier. Not sure what Ross is thinking there.
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from the tweets someone else posted, it looks like Ross thought there was talent on this team that didn’t reflect in our w-l record.
I think Flo gets a new HC job and has a lot of success elsewhere.
This is going to put a damper on free agents wanting to come to Miami.
Will Ogbah want to resign here?
Will come down to who is the next HC, I guess.
Depends on who the next HC is. These guys mainly care about getting paid and getting stats. If he thinks the next HC and DC give him opportunity, he’ll get on board.
I bet Belicheat is happy Flo is gone out of Miami.
It’s really weird that
Watson was public about liking coach Flores
And Ross is publicly saying they aren’t pursuing Watson now
Here’s a guy to keep in mind
Doug Pederson
Lol. I dropped his name earlier as an offensive consultant before the news of Flores’ firing.
I like Pederson. He did well for Philly. and one of his disciples is HC for the Chargers. The Andy Reid tree has some talented offensive coaches.
He’d be OK I guess, what was the reason for his success and failure in Phi?
Thought they were loaded, when he got there, then he had cap issues
I think his success and failures were partially due to injuries and the QB carousel they had. Wentz was always injured or butthurt and Foles was inconsistent. He got in trouble for sitting Hurtz and was gone days later so he may have personality issues with his QBs as well. Definitely something to look into.
So Joe Judge keeps his job, but Flores doesn’t?
He’ll be gone next year.
Just goes to show owner patience vs no patience
Flores will go to Chicago, they’re talking about wanting him there
Only thing I can think of why you keep Grier is, Flores was calling the shots on players and Ross sees something in him
What I can’t figure out is, if Flores was picking the players why keep Grier, if he doesn’t have the balls to be the boss
I think Grier picked players that Flores agreed to or pushed for…and then Flores wanted them gone when they didn’t meet his standards. Belichick thinks players are interchangeable and I bet Flores does too.
That’s how I see it too
Was shocked to hear we fired Flores. By now you guys have all discussed it and the reports on why he was fired. My view is now we have to find a new HC and staff and start over again with systems so once again no continuity. Life being a Dolphins fan.
Flores changed shit up so many times it was like starting over each year
Belicheat did that somewhat, but he had a base he kept
Maybe Ross wants to try again without a rebuild
Just FN keep Boyer and give the D some continuity
Piggy,
I also really like the idea of Pederson. He has old ties to the team, and this is a pretty damn good job. Lots of young talent, lots of FA money available, and extra picks in 2023. If you look at the amount of work the other teams that need a HC require, this is much easier. He’s also a Reid disciple and I think Reid is one of the best coaches ever. His OCs find ways to push offense and Tua needs a coach like Pederson if he’s ever going to succeed.
My only issue is that they say Pederson can be prickly as well. Isn’t that what got him canned in Philly? I guess that’s what interviews are for.
Ross is an asshole. He got it wrong again. I am officially relinquishing my fan card. This team is hopeless because of it’s inept owner. They will never go anywhere with Ross at the helm. Grier is the problem NOT Flores. But Grier gets a pass since 2000. Grier has been with the organization since 2000, in an executive role since 2007 and the GM since 2016
Ross is a Dumbass! Back to being OUT!
Grier is definitely a problem and Ross is definitely a dumbass. I’m not as sold on Flores being an answer though.
Time for the old avi Rock
Hope Flores doesn’t get a new HC job, if he does you’ll see lots of guys like Ogbah, Needham and others going with Flo
Harbaugh will be the next coach of the Raiders no way he comes here
Think the interim coach of Raiders stays
No marquis franchise in a flagship city. They will hire the big name
Here’s how much I believe what Ross and any other NFL people say
Hours after firing head coach Brian Flores on Monday after three seasons with the franchise, Ross shot down rumors of his interest in filling the vacancy with Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, who said he would entertain NFL offers this offseason.
Harbaugh will be our next HC, bet on it
Also think Fins are FOS, when they say they don’t have someone in mind
Ryan Gados FoxNews. How do you keep your job?
Flores spent three seasons as the Dolphins coach and only had one winning season. However, he failed to get the team to the playoffs. The team hasn’t been to the postseason since the 2016 season, when Adam Gase was the head coach.
2 winning seasons
Today is ODD Old Dolphan Day
The day the rest of us realized what OD has been saying for years about Ross
If we hired Harbaugh or Pederson, it would be an upgrade as far as I am concerned
But the problem is the transition period
We had a coach that beat the Pats 4 out of 6 times we played and we fired him
ODD
yea but he got blown out by the bills twice every year 🙂 Do you really think Flores was the coach to win a Superbowl here? I’m not happy about the firing but it’s not the end of the world. I just thought we should have cleaned house. I think if we were gonna change coaches we should be changing GMs too.
We had a coach in Gase and Philbin that beat the Patriots too
Some asshole announce described it as an anomaly
Besides, what difference does it make of you sweep the Patriots but get swept by the bills
Ogbah, Roberts, Gesicki, Jenkins, Hollins, Riley, Johnson, Smythe, Needham, Eguavoen are the FAs I want to re-sign
Preston, Ford, Biegel and Mancz would be ok too
Shouldn’t take too much to sign those
Expect Needham and Roberts to follow the Flo
I don’t understand why people are upset about Flores being fired
My only argument for keeping him was consistency from year to year going into next year
Other than that, there were so many coaching errors that hurt us from week to week and season to season and so many questionable
You can look at a player like Noah Iggy and say that’s a poor draft pick
But in fact, he was drafted where most experts projected him to go
Having him on the inactive list for 2 years should be the eyebrow raiser
Not that he was a pick we made
Also the obsession with DBs was a product of the coaching, not the Front Office
That’s the way our blitz heavy defense was built
We needed DBs who were able to play man coverage
So drafting a CB in 2020 made sense if that’s what your coaches wanted
And drafting Iggy with that pick hit every model of where that player was supposed to go
And then he was basically inactive for 2 years
Likewise I have the same argument with Austin Jackson
You know he’s a raw prospect when you draft him
You know you are just outside of the top 4 OTs that year and you are probably taking a project at OT
You rush him into to start with 3 different OL coaches
It’s never clear where bad personell decisions end and bad coaching decisions behind – but it’s hard for me to separate any of the “bad draft picks” from bad coaching
I think people are upset becuase it’s the closest we’ve been to showing growth and would have liked to see some continuity, or at least fire Grier as well, if you’re going to make a move like this. We’re back to starting at 0 with a new vision from Lord knows who. The records might have been similar, but both Gase and Philbin both lost their teams and there was clear decline after initial small success. We at least had one side of the ball figured out for the most part, whereas the previous guys didn’t do anything particularly well.
I really think Flores is being scapegoated for poor upper management and ownership. The Packers cant continue winning with new coaches because management knows what it takes to win and they hire guys that reflect that. Same with other perrenniel contenders in BAL, PIT, etc…
It’s tough to consistently get wins in this league. Like who out there right now is worthy of being in the discussion of coaching this team? I don’t see any names who are obvious wants.
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Flores is still wet behind the ears, his guys love him, and he had great 2nd half all 3 years, he just needs to figure out FA and getting players ready for season
If you hire a first time HC you better be willing to give him at least 5 years, if he bites as a PUP, if not just hire a vet coach
How the fuck does Ross say ok to rebuild in year 1, then 2 winning seasons later says tear it down again
That’s an asshole owner
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I was posting just last night that I didn’t want any major changes
But – I can’t argue that goring Flores was a bad decision
I just don’t see the merits to that argument
Telling me Grier should be fired too is not an argument about whether Flores was a good coach or not
And telling me that you wanted to avoid changing coaches again – I get it bc I don’t want that either, but what do you think they were about to do this off-season about the Offense and the OL
I think the o-line just needed some veterans, and Tua just needed to improve his decision making since was inexperienced and unhealthy this year. We have cap space and picks to improve us.
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Well if there is one positive that comes out of this:
Removing themselves from Watson trade bs doesn’t look awful to me
There we agree
Ken
The idea that Flores should have stated on another year to coach Tua at QB might be in conflict with itself
Flores gave no indication in game or outside the game that he was comfortable with Tua as his QB
He coaches Tua like he had no faith in him
It would not surprise me if Flores becomes the next HC in Houston and DeShaun Wants a Massage decides to all of a sudden decides to suit up for the Texans again
So is the thinking that Flores was behind the Watson stuff?
I think Watson was behind the Watson stuff but Flores didn’t help clarify the situation
Some people are suggesting it – but it’s just rumor and you can’t give it too much weight
I don’t really care where Flores ends up. I care who ends up here
Me too
One thing about Flores that seemed off, why couldn’t he decide on one OC? That just was strange to me. If neither of them is good enough, then it shouldn’t have been both of them. But what do I know?
It’s so against the grain to have multiple OCs to start your season
I like out of the box thinking
But having multiple OCs was out of the planet thinking and not in a good way
I think a lot of us feel that way. It’s going to be interesting to see who we bring in and what coordinators come with hin
It was previously reported that the named both as OC to prevent other teams from interviewing both of them for vacant OC jobs. The rule is another team can interview them for a higher position but not a lateral move. So they only position they could have interviewed for was an HC job
Was Robert Jones better or worse than Jessie Davis as OT yesterday?
He only played the 1st half. I think he was injured
Did Jessie Davis play for him in the 2nd half?
Yes, Davis played the 2nd half
A wet dish towel is better than Jessie Davis
What about an injured dish towel?
But coach Flores decided to start him the entire season until the last game.
How is everyone blaming the personnel and not the coaching when it comes to the OL
Austin Jackson started at LT and was moved to OG by October. We benched Solomon Kindley to play Jackson at OG – and then Jackson still sucked at OG
Lol
In this scenario does Flores retain playcalling duties?
So let me get this right
We benched Davis in the final game of the season
Then the guy who replaced him was injured by the half
And we went back to Jessie Davis
I mean what the actual fuck
“Oh you want to bench me or trade for Watson?” Well, the exit is on the first floor”
I guess the fact we only have like 8 players under contract going into next season means our next HC can clean house pretty easily…
So who’s out there?
Matt Nagy comes in and brings Vic Fangio with him to run the defense?
Doug Pederson who was mentioned by me and Piggy – has ties to the organization as a backup during the Marino/Scott Mitchell years. Also known to run the RPO.
Does anyone think Byron Leftwich can run a team?
I’m not sure of how much Bienemy has to do with the success of the Chiefs.
Anthony Lynn has HC experience and helped guide Herbert in his rookie year.
Do you go after Marvin Lewis who did more with less in Cinncinatti?
Who are the hot college coaches?
I see a lot of names, but don’t get much excitement looking at the names.
I guess here’s a list
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/09/17/future-nfl-head-coaches-hackett-brady-daboll-leftwich
I forgot all about Marvin Lewis
He was inconsistent with the Bengals and was willing to bring in a lot of troubled players but I still think highly of him
That’s because ownership was cheap and didn’t have a proper scouting staff.
Looking at that list, Pederson and Lynn are the two that interest me.
I just heard on Carton and Roberts that part of the rift with Grier and Flores was that Flores wanted us to draft Herbert and Grier took Tua. Flores was also the guy that wanted Watson. So he was not on board with Tua. Obviously it’s rumor type stuff but it kind of adds up.
The Herbert part is well known
I never knew that. We discuss all things Dolphins here and I never heard that discussed.
It’s rumor but yeah it’s adds up
And on the field, you can see that Flores did not have faith in Tua – even yesterday
I’m pretty sure M13 touched upon this yesterday
Even yesterday, the Dolphins tightened up like some one getting ready for their first colonoscopy once they had the lead
Well that and they wouldn’t just commit to his development on the field. Pulling him in games for Fitzpatrick, pulling him in third downs and redzone opportunities to run the wildcat or use Brissett.
I think some of that was due to the heavy rain so we kept it on the ground. We did run for 195 yards and won so it worked.
This has to be a complete coaching and scheme reset, right? You don’t keep the coordinators, and the defensive scheme leaves with Flores and Boyer?
We likely still run RPO with Tua, but again, still a scheme reset.
My mind is railing at another damn reboot…
Me too. Who’s to say the person who comes here wants to keep Tua or not? Then we have to use another 1st or second round pick on a QB. This team is close. We just have to invest in the offense. Whoever comes in needs to be smart enough to know what good and bad we have here and not just make whole sale changes. They can impelement their own footprint over time. I’m not looking forward to another adjustment reboot year.
The next few weeks are going to be interesting, seeing the names we bring in for interviews.
You know it’s interesting seeing all these former Dolphins staffers and players when I look out into the coaching landscape. Zac Taylor and his crew up in Cincy. Brian Daboll used to be our coordinator, Dan Quinn DL Coach , Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy used Bill Lazor as an OC at one point. Anyone remember that guy? Todd Bowles, Patrick Graham.
I keep seeing names of guys that we ran out of town from all the coaching changes. Shows you how much of a club it is.
Even with a new reboot and parting ways with Tua, that’s better resources than trading the house for watson
Who the hell will want this job to work for Ross? Serious question
There are only so many NFL coaching jobs.
I know but the real serious candidates, the ones with some pedigree will stay away from us. Sure we will get some coordinator as a first time HC and the cycle will continue
That’s possible.
This seems to be a pretty reasonable take on it
Was he fingering Ross and went a little too deep?
Whenever I see a HC firing, that doesn’t make any sense, I go back to Houston firing Bum Phillips
They couldn’t get past Pitt, so they tried bringing someone else in to take the next step, as a result they sucked for a long time
I’ve been wandering around my house aimlessly for hours trying to figure out what the hell I’m doing. I never knew just how in tune I am with the Dolphins organization, lol.
I am sitting in my office turning very green
Well at least I have this going for me:
So far I think Doug Pederson is the best match. I think he’d be able to sort out this offense and be sensible enough to run a similar if not same defense.
He has experience. Enough said right there.
Me too
I only wish that X, while in throwbacks, had done the Zach Thomas flip into the end zone. Yes I know it would have been different throwbacks but nonetheless it would have a nice nod while Zach awaits again. And he better get in!
I like the Doug Pederson idea. I have his autograph on a Dolphin Digest photo of when Shula broke the record and Pederson was QB that day
That is as good a reason as any
Works for me
I’m in. Hire him. If he wins your Dolphin Digest will increase in value to 50 cents.
If we are going the first time HC route Pedersen is probably as good as we can do
We spent 3 years developing a first time HC. Was he perfect? Absolutely not. But he was a first time HC and he put together 2 winning seasons in a row. It just feels like another example of us developing talent and not retaining it
wasn’t Pedersen HC of Philly?
Yes
I think Ross goes with an experienced guy.
I’m pretty sure he’s had his fill of rookie coach mistakes
Yep
That is why Pederson makes sense
I’m bummed about firing Flores but Doug Pederson would be a candidate, I thought he proved to be a good HC in Philly and didn’t understand why they moved on so quickly after he won them a Super Bowl. Just remember no HC has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 teams. It’s one of those crazy stats in NFL history.
As long as we’re discussing first time head coaches…why not Harbaugh he was once a first time head coach too🤔
Think we should get someone with exp. Ross doesn’t have the patience for a first time HC
What we really need is a multi-man GM like our entire board, instead of these whackjob FAs we’d have consensus to keep it in line
3-4 years. Doesn’t matter if they have experience or not- he wants results
27th
20th
22nd
Anyone have a guess as to what those three numbers mean
Our offensive ranks the last 3 years