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Finsmob Unleashed 
Honestly I’m hoping the bears hire Flores so we can all watch and see what happens with Justin Fields and what her Flores sets him back or whether this narrative following Flores firing is bullshit
Won’t be the same. Fields wasn’t brought in on his watch he is not beholden to him
No he’s not
And after 2022, if fields isn’t getting better no one will hold that against Flores
But if this hire happens, I do recommend watching The way flores handles fields and if we see the same pattern
We paly the Bears in Chicago next year
we also play them
I hope we paly them too….lol
Lol
We all witnessed Gase make the same mistakes for the jests he did in Miami and we all knew it was coming….
The floating taco meme
“Bieniemy reportedly already had one interview request, from the Denver Broncos.”
Bieniemy is a Colorado guy. Played at University of Colorado and started his coaching career ass RB Coach there and returned to be OC there before becoming RB Coach at KC.
If this happens, Watson to Denver would become a huge discussion. It was said that before the Watson drama went down in Houston, Watson wanted Bieniemy to come there as OC.
As long as he doesn’t come to Miami
Watson to Denver is picking up steam for a lot of reasons
Would make sense, if the goal was to get him out of KC
When I see Bienemy the lights just don’t seem to be on, Flores gets that look at times, like the job is too big for him
For example he’s a gambler, runs a lot of trick plays, but doesn’t seem to know the inherent risk, see Jax game
Also he seems to be clueless the effect time outs have, when taken on D
His offenses have done really well. His name always comes up on the short list for HC candidates but he never seems to get the job. He must not interview well
I think Flores will do well in Chicago if he is hired there. Bears fans love their defense.
He is a good fit from a D perspective
Will Flores get to pick his GM?
Yeah bc it doesn’t matter who you QB is when half your games involve hurricane speed winds
Jim McMahon was hot garbage but it didn’t matter bc their defense was elite and he liked sunglasses and headbands in the 80s
And Walter Payton was amazing
McMahon was a good QB but he got hurt a lot and faded pretty fast because of injuries
I hope Flores does go to the NFC.
Flores was loved by his players, so they’ll go thru a wall for him, but that alone isn’t enough to be a good HC
He may figure it out some day, but something is missing
Is everyone excited about the new Chicago dynamic duo
😃
I love SF’s commitment to the run game. I think he would be a real good for Tua’s skill set and using Waddle a lot like how they use Ayiuk
And Samuel
Last night’s game with 5:13 left GA up 1 a D player on Bama got hurt
They stopped the clock and moved the play clock back to 40 seconds
Once the clock was restarted GA was already lined up and ran a play with 23 seconds left on the play clock and a running game clock, WTF
They call these guys experts in their field, so why is it, that I can see a clear error they were clueless to?
I watch for stuff like that like it’s matter of fact and didn’t go out of my way or find a needle in a haystack, it should be a given
All I need to know about the Flores firing is all of my family/friends that are Jets, Bills, and Patriots fans questioned why we would do that, and are happy about it.
I don’t know of anyone who wasn’t surprised.
It’s same type of logic I use when determining if we should acquire a player
Problem I run into is its only for right now and usually not long term (consequences)
I take it back! I wouldn’t want to do that to Flores!
Lol
I think Ireland would get Flores who he wanted. I just think Ireland will have the Bears in cap hell in 2 years.
https://twitter.com/theflyingpig44/status/1480948125992955908?s=21
Looks like a NASCAR photo
Of a guy with a 49ers shirt and hat in their stadium
Did you mean this guy looks like he should be in the pit at Nascar
I haven’t seen where we’ve met the Rooney rule yet.
We did an exit interview with Flores
LOL
LMAO. Maybe it counts.
That is probably why Bieniemy gets interviewed so often
This guy is a genius!!
Unfortunately that’s the type of crap that takes precedent over winning
It’s just a joke
It’s not going to matter who our coach is until we fix the power structure
Ross fired Flores because of this, yet he can’t see that he’s the problem with the power structure
‘There are none so blind as those who will not see’.
Spot of light relief away from football
Djok the joke. What a pompous ass. And a liar, soooo ….
There’s some truth to what he’s saying, basically saying F the man
I heard there’s a Meyer dude still looking for a job….
and will be for a long time
If you watched the game last night, what players impressed you last night?
Cook
Cook looked slow, and they were raving about his speed
And white too
He looked good in 4th
Least impressive was the GA QB Bennett, he’s too small, too slow for his size and doesn’t process quick enough
Was too pissed off at Bennett, didn’t really get into watching much else, kept changing channel
ok, whatever
Mike McDaniel looks like the guy behind the computer at the dispensary. “So Sour Diesel has more of a body stone, while Northern Lights is more of a heady high…” “would you like that in Pre-rolled or flower?”
Lol…now I want to hire him
I like the idea of a run game guru with Mike McDaniel. LOL at the comments from Rock and Piggy.
Geno Smith, the Seahawks’ backup quarterback the past three years, was arrested Monday on suspicion of driving under the influence and then released, according to King County District Court records.
Smith was arrested at 2:10 a.m. and released at 9:27 a.m., documents show.
No other details were immediately available.
Piggy – we thank you for your service. 4 genes were taken out of the pig heart to stop it growing too large and 6 human added to stop it being rejected.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59944889
To think we have barely (as far as we know) scratched the surface on genetics.
When they get to perfecting the horse cock transplant, let me know. Also, when it comes to taking out the genes to stop it growing to large, tell them to bypass that. lol
LOL
What could go wrong?
Some info. on the Flores firing.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article256841207.html
Much like draft picks, these decisions can only be evaluated a few years down the road. This does explain the factors which went into coming to the conclusion Ross did and make it a little easier to understand. Que sera sera now.
This makes the most sense of anything I have read yet and it is Barry Jackson who is generally pretty reliable
It also makes sense with the statement from the team that he was fired for non coaching related reasons
Got paywall
Synopsis is that Flores wanted control over personnel as opposed to Grier. Also he was fine with Tua. Yes they had words in the heat of the moment in the Tennessee game but stuff like that happens all the time around the league. He wasn’t advocating for Herbert over Tua. Finally Flores could be an abrasive prick to people in the building
If you clear your cookies you could probably read it. I don’t want to copy and paste it as it’s kind of long.
Thanks
Open it in an incognito tab
Yeah this explains a lot of stuff that was not about coaching and results.
I’m sometimes amazed at the lack of understanding how a “power Structure” works
Piggy, James Cook is a weapon. Though, he would only be a piece of a RB room and mainly a 3rd down or long down and distance guy. Outside of his 67 yard run, he had 5 carries for 10 yards, He is light for 5’11 at 190 but has better vision than Gaskin.
I was mainly looking at players on D. The ones who stood out to me on Alabama were LB Christian Harris with 3 sacks and DT Mathis. Mathis was stuffing the middle the whole first half. Then hurt his shoulder and left game in second half and UGA started having success running.
On UGA, the speed of LB’s Nakobe Dean and Nolan Smith really showed up. Dean’s small size makes me nervous though. Smith is much bigger at 6’3 235. ILB Channing Tindall also showed his speed on his sack in the first half. DT’s Jordan Davis and Devonte Wyatt would be a nice addition to our DT rotation. Lastly, SS Lewis Cine seemed to be everywhere last night making tackles. He looks like a fearless heavy hitter.
Some of these guys are juniors so it will be interesting to see who stays and who declares for the draft.
UGA TE Bowers will be a 1st round pick in 2 years.
Bowers has the chance to be the best TE in the NFL behind Kelce once he gains some experience. He is insanely talented, and is only a TRUE freshman!
He will be the highest TE drafted since Vernon Davis
Kyle Pitts?
Hulk has small brain
Bowers did look good
Steve,
I knew nothing about the QB from Georgia prior to last night, but I found the story behind his journey to get where he is fascinating. To me, that is one of the cool things about college football still. Sometimes it is not about viewing them as to how they would be in the NFL as much as it is to enjoy the moment for the young man just sit back and watch the story develop on the field.
When I get involved with those kinds of stories I end liking players for something other than their play
“Brandon Scherff looking for long-term deal from Washington: ‘I hope I can end my career here'”
Oh well!
My hopes get dashed all the time. So can his. Welcome to Miami
lol
😂
It looks like we’re targeting offensive minded coaches
Johnny O’Reilly hoisted his beer and said, “Here’s to spending the rest of my life, between the legs of my wife!” That won him the top prize at the pub for the best toast of the night!
He went home and told his wife, “Mary, I won the prize for the Best toast of the night.” She said, “Aye, did ye now. And what was your toast?” Johnny said, “Here’s to spending the rest of my life, sitting in church beside me wife.” “Oh, that is very nice indeed, Johnny!” Mary said.
The next day Mary ran into one of Johnny’s drinking buddies on the street corner. The man chuckled leeringly and said, “Johnny won the prize the other night at the pub with a toast about you, Mary.”
She said, “Aye, he told me, and I was a bit surprised myself. You know, he’s only been there twice in the last four years. Once he fell asleep, and the other time I had to pull him by the ears to make him come.”
😂
LMAO
Was glad to read in the Jackson piece Flores was a prick
When I heard of the firing yesterday my biggest concern was the effect it would have on the players, seems only Needham and Ferguson liked him
I didn’t get the impression that the players didn’t necessarily like him but that he was making a power play against Grier and lost. Also seems like he wants to make himself in the image of Bellicheck but doesn’t yet have the resume to pull that off
Seems like the Flores attitude narrative was overblown. If he were that bad, wouldn’t have the players revolted or quit on him at some point? They had every opportunity to do so this year. Lots of SB winning coaches didn’t have winning personalities.
It wasn’t mainly with the players but others within the organization. He wanted more power and control over things and people in the building were tired of it.
As a player even if you don’t necessarily like the coach, you still have to have pride in your game and do your job. Bad tape is on your resume.
Right, but that’s the side of the story that the organization is putting out. Seems like he didn’t get along with 1 or 2 guys within management and maybe their egos got in the way too. Since they were on top, they got to stay instead of the guy trying to get results on the field.
Well Jackson’s article was based on talking to a lot of people. Whatever it truly was they fired him.
Probably somewhere between, but belicheat is quite an asshole, yet some players love him, just depends on the personality of the player
This is supposed to be a tracker but not updated in last 24 hours.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coaching-gm-tracker-latest-news-interviews-developments-in-2022-hiring-cycle
Actually, they are updating. They just added Dallas DC Dan Quinn to interview with Dolphins.
Still no requests by the Vikings yet.
Didn’t we interview him at some point earlier in time
Okay that’s a defensive coach.
If Flores wanted more control, they should have told him get us into the playoffs and win a round and we’ll talk about it then big boy!
^
You have to remember that people around the league shaking their head like, WTF? So the organization has to get their word and spin on it in order for it to make sense. So far I haven’t heard anything from Flores camp, and I suppose he’s smart for doing so. However, I take what is being reported with a grain of salt. Good or bad, it sounds like Flores was working hard on trying to establish a winning culture in a place where management didn’t know what that looked like and he was ousted for it.
It sounds like it was a power struggle and Ross and Grier were not ready to give it to him yet. I didn’t want to lose Flores but I don’t think he has accomplished enough to warrant that type of control
Coaches rarely speak out when they get fired. Like you said it’s best not to do that when you’re interviewing for another job. You just move on.
I wouldn’t expect him to say anything either
Yeah, I’m just pointing out that the team has the ability to control the narrative and we shouldn’t take it as gospel because there’s a side of the story that isn’t being given.
Reply to 7
Agree don’t take anything as gospel, if they can lie to better their position or to look better they will, truth be damned
Ken,
Dan Quinn was a DL coach from 2005-2006 when Saban was here. It’s possible he could have interviewed with us at some point.
I swear I remember hearing his name as an HC candidate during one of our regular 3 year intervals
I think you’re right. It might have been the year we hired Philbin.
It’s weird seeing guys like Jerod Mayo getting interviews, like wasn’t he just playing in the league?
ukfinfan says:
January 11, 2022 at 1:46 pm
Piggy – we thank you for your service. 4 genes were taken out of the pig heart to stop it growing too large and 6 human added to stop it being rejected.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59944889
****
Sounds wasteful
why we just throw the hearts away (or more likely feed them to other pigs….) They should go to good use if we can’t make bacon out of them.
BEST use of pig parts in order
1. FOOD
2. FOOD for FOOD
3. Lifesaving replacement parts for humans.
Guess none of this really matters now, unless it continues every 3 years
Kellen Moore at 13/2 to be our next HC is interesting
What is this, Vegas Odds?
From an article I read
Hi hum
Ho
Ok, this is an article from a year ago but a very good one on Mike McDaniel.
Makes me want him to be the pick as HC to take our offense to another level.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/nfl/news/12118/12122495/mike-mcdaniel-the-unsung-genius-behind-the-san-francisco-49ers-running-game
Those of us who want to run the damn ball will love him.
I’m sold
Good stuff. How the 49ers tun the ball with anyone is remarkable. I love their run game.
From what I read about McDaniel, I love him
But we really don’t know anything about these guys until they are on the job – that’s just reality
True, it’s always about did you hire the right guy. Can he handle the HC responsibilities or does he sit in the corner by himself looking at plays when things aren’t working while the game is still going on.
In an offense like what Mike McDaniel runs, I think Tua would be a good fit. He’d probably be under center a lot more, but Tua is good on waggles and boots throwing on the run. You get teams stretched out in the run game and then play-action with Tua’s accuracy – receivers will likely be open a lot. I’m sure there would still be some RPO, but not as the bread and butter.
McDaniel looks like the kind of guy who will livestream training camp on his twitch game account
https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/49ers/q8sw6uytefceecvtqggs
LOL
From what I read with how Shanahan and McDaniel run their offense, besides playing physical, they seem to play psychological mind games with deception in motion and blocking angles.
That sounds like fun
It’s gotta be something that gets anyone on that offense running wild.
The Giants have fired Joe Judge.
So people can stop making the lame argument that Flores shouldn’t have been fired bc Joe Judge was not fired…..lol
This season with Mike McDaniel calling the plays, SF attempted 514 passes and ran the ball 499 times. There are some QB rushes that were probably mostly off scrambling but still ran the ball over 40% of the time. Anyway, they had 499 rushes for 2,166 yards with overall team average of 4.3 yards per carry and 22 TD’s. They were led by rookie RB Elijah Mitchell who had 207 rushes for 963 yards, 4.7 average. He also incorporated receivers in the running game with 67 rushes (mostly Deebo Samuel) with over 6 yard average per rush.
This season 49er’s were 10th overall, 13th in points, 7th in pass yards, 14th in pass TD’s, 7th in rush yards, 5th in rush attempts, 5th in rush TD’s. RANKED #1 in redzone TD %.
That’s balance
I that offense fits Tua well.
Giants and Bears targeting former Dolphins personnel guy Joe Schoen who is the Asst. GM for the Bills for GM.
Some HC search info.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/miami-dolphins-coaching-search-making-sense-of-the-dolphins-relatively-quiet-coaching-search-two-days-in/
And there is you Rooney Rule candidate.
Rooney Rule
Flores would be a great fit with the Giants. I bet they interview him.
A friend of mine who’s a Giants fan just texted me asking if I thought Flores would be good for them. I think one of his bigger issues is getting top notch coordinators.
He can bring Boyer
That’s been his issue. Part of that earlier article we discussed was that he was going to fire one or both of the Co-OCs and the OL coach. You can’t keep doing that with a young QB. You can’t build an offense that way.
I wouldn’t want the Giants job. I would much prefer Chicago
Are you interviewing Ken?
I am giving up my day job
To be a coach you have to give up your day job, night job, night life, and home life
Chicago has no first round pick- giants have theirs and both are top 7.
Chicago has a lot more talent on its roster than the Giants. The Giants are a shit show. No QBs in this year’s draft worth taking. At least Fields has potential. The Daniel Jones ship has sailed
Williams tore his ACL last night. I feel bad for him. He’ll probably drop to the second round.
That sucks
That sucks. I wonder if he would have played in just a regular bowl game. This is why it is hard to blame them for sitting out
Exactly
The Giants are hiring a GM first.
Ken, if you’re a HC wanting a better situation to start with I agree with you that Chicago is the better job over the Giants. They are in blow it up mode.
Chicago’s D is an excellent unit
Yep!
Yes, but I guess Flores will decide if he wants to tie himself to Fields.
With that defense I would. He is a young QB with talent and upside. They’re not all ready right away.
He is not beholden to Field if he goes to Chicago. Not his guy
We won the games we were supposed to and weren’t competitive against the top teams outside of the Pats.
You can almost throw that first season out the window. The gutted this team with the intent on rebuilding. Flores didn’t have much to work with in 2019.
Flores’ situation was different though. Everything was starting over. Gase took over a team that was an upgrade a few positions and take the next step type of team.
3 of his 5 wins were vs the Pats.
4 were the Patriots
The Patriots were not a playoff team last year so 3 is correct
Flores was 2-5 this year against playoff teams. The only wins were the Pats. Against a rookie in his first game ever and Sunday.
It really doesn’t matter anymore. He’s gone. Onto the next HC.
We finally get a coach that can beat Bellicheck and we fire him
So based on some the names you’re hearing at HC which way are you all leaning?
Mike McDaniel is intriguing. I think Peterson would be okay
It might be the right time for Brian Daboll as a HC and he has history with Tua. He’s paid his dues, has coached for quite a few different teams so he should have a good amount of connections for putting a staff together.
I am not that fond of Daboll. I was not impressed with him here. I think he runs a very unbalanced offense in Buffalo. The relationship with Tua is a positive though
Fair enough. I think he would adapt the offense around Tua. The Bills offense is based on Josh Allen.
I would lean towards Pederson or McDaniel as I’ve long believed their type of offenses fit Tua’s strengths.
I agree with that. Tua is better on the move than stationary in the pocket unless he has decent time to setup. But he’s really good moving around and throwing on the move. He has good feet in a movement offense.
I’m not leaning towards anyone at the moment. I would like us to hire someone that will potentially be here for a decade or more. I thought Flores was going to be that guy. I think we should be patient and try to find that coach.
Yeah it’s not easy. I was just talking my friend who’s a Jets fan and we were saying the Steelers have had three head coaches since 1969. How many have we had since then? LOL
We’ve had 3 coaches since 2009. lol
4 – Sparano (RIP), Philbin, Gase and Flores.
My only issue with McDaniel is what kind of staff can he assemble? He seems very talented, but can he bring in guys that make all three phases successful?
That’s my feeling. Is he ready to be a HC?
He was in Denver for 2 years with Tebow.
That will be the any first time HC and most of the candidates we are talking about will be first time HC
He better get a very good defensive coordinator
Just some intel.
https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/miami-dolphins-list-of-head-coach-candidates-growing
I’m pretty sure we could have assembled that list Tim!
Tim – I wasn’t counting Sparano because he was already the HC in ’09.
Ever get that feeling you’re being read? LOL
Tim Knight says:
January 11, 2022 at 8:16 pm
So based on some the names you’re hearing at HC which way are you all leaning?
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While Brian Daboll would be a first-time HC, he’s garnered a lot of experience in the NFL — and major success with Tua at Alabama — that I feel he’d be an exceptional hire.
Of all the coaches being discussed and verified to have an interview with us, I feel Daboll has the best chance of assembling a decent staff on both sides of the ball.
Steve Ross had BETTER have learned his lesson that young blood as a first-time HC doesn’t necessarily translate to instantaneous success. He needs to go with somebody with experience in the NFL. Daboll fits the “Bill”, if you will.
Both Quinn and McDaniel are intriguing to me, but Daboll is my #1.
When McDaniel shows up to his interview with Stephen Ross and explains his offense
LOL
I believe that with all of the talent we have on the Defensive side of the ball, we don’t necessarily need an A++ Defensive-minded HC or DC. I think that side of the ball will essentially take care of itself, granted we don’t land a dope for a DC.
Brian Daboll might be able to bring Dave DeGuglielmo back as our O-Line coach. DeGuglielmo has been one of the best in the biz over recent years (minus the G-Men in 2020, but ya can’t make that O-Line any good with that roster!).
DeGuglielmo is currently with Louisiana Tech as their O-Line coach. Daboll and DeGuglielmo worked together in Miami in 2011 as OC and O-Line coach, respectively.
Daboll was the Patsies* TE coach from 2013–2016. Thus, he and Josh Boyer are quite familiar with one another. There’s a chance Boyer could stay as our DC if Daboll is hired as our HC.
Would Daboll re-sign Mike Gesicki? If so, he might be able to make Gesicki a more complete TE… more so than we’ve ever seen before.
Sign RT Trenton Brown and LG Connor Williams, and our O-Line is fixed… granted we sign a competent O-Line coach (see DeGuglielmo).
Get a stud power back in here (I see you, Rashaad Penny) PLUS re-sign Duke Johnson, and our running game is fixed.
Gaskin is a stud in his own right as our scat back.
If we bring in a legit O-line coach we move Eichenberg to RT and Jackson to LT.
Meh… !!!
Not sure about that. Eich is a STUD at LT, dating back to Notre Dame. And I don’t think Jackson is worthy of a Tackle position any longer.
Sign Trenton Brown (BBMike started the train), and all is good.
Either draft a WR within the 2nd day of the Draft, or sign a FA WR like A-Rob or Pringle.
Last but not least, we need to find a 3-down LB who can stuff the run AND play the ball in the air. I’ve always called it, “the search for the next Brian Urlacher”.
WOW! Just realized that Rashaad Penny led the NFL in YPC with 6.3 (tied with QB Josh Allen)! OUTSTANDING!
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennRa00.htm
I know O isn’t the most respected chappie on here, but still found this thread interesting. I can see why this, when compounded, led to the firing. Maybe it causes him to take stock. Waste of leadership otherwise. Water under the bridge now anyway.
Now I want to hire him back!
Coach Flo didn’t flush the toilet in management bathrooms. Clearly the reason he was fired.
I feel like there are going to be new angles and stories up until we finally hire a new coach.
LMAO. Nature abhors a vacuum!
M – Jackson was pretty horrible at LG. Need a coach to come in here that can work with the talent we have here. I want to get 2 veterans, I mentioned that here before. Bring in a solid OG like Laken Tomlinson from the 9ers and a veteran center. If you want Penny to average 6.3 YPC here we need to get this O-line fixed. I don’t believe for a second that Jackson can’t play, he needs work. He needs a coach that from day one gets him believing that he’s an NFL tackle. Eichenberg himself feels like RT is his best position. I’ll take his word for it over Lemuel.
I don’t think for a minute that the stable of linemen on Miami’s roster doesn’t have talent. Jackson played well in the beginning as did Kindley. OL play regressed every year with basically the same players. That’s coaching.
I agree Phelon. Not saying that we have an all-pro OL but I think with proper coaching we go from worst to midpack in a season. I’ll take it!
Yeah, competent coaching could have taken 5 guys off the street and made them better than what Miami fielded. I have never seen line play that bad.
This is one of the reasons I was so surprised when people were upset about the Flores filling
He was lost offensively and the hack job on the OL was the best evidence of it
I think -roper had some expectation that we hire some Oc that fixes his shortcomings – but he couldn’t do that either
Last but not least, we need to find a 3-down LB who can stuff the run AND play the ball in the air. I’ve always called it, “the search for the next Brian Urlacher”.
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Unfortunately, I am not seeing that guy at ILB this draft. There are some great run stuffers and blitzers but weak in coverage. If they are good in coverage, then they are mostly smallish and get washed out in the run game.
Why are we looking for the Next BU instead of the next ZT?
Not my words, but give me the next ZT or BU. Just don’t see one in this draft.
I don’t understand what the deal was with our OL. All the returning OL regressed and Eich started off slow. Why did it take so long to replace Davis at RT? Kindley could not have been any worse than Jackson. The OL was a major failure on Flores and his offensive coaches.
Another failure of Flores was, he interviewed Mike McDaniel last off season and chose to go the in-house co-oc route which was a major failure.
We could of already had Mike McDaniel as our OC but he chose to stick with his buddies instead.
The more we find out…
There were other reasons why Flores kept everything hush hush besides giving our opponent an advantage
Forget the Rooney Rule, Vance Joseph will be our next HC, and everyone will lose their shit
He’s not a bad choice
Why would you say that? He was awful in Denver
Not the worst choice imo. Good defensive mind and we have good defensive talent. He has HC experience. He will need a good OC
He’s not interviewing for DC
I am aware
The most desirable job in football according to Mando might hire a bill O’Brien
To me Vance Joseph is “meh”
Not my first choice but not my bottom choice
I would say close to bottom for me.
I don’t see where Joseph was awful in Denver. Denver finished the season with the 3rd best scoring defense. Though, they were not ranked very high in other stats and near the bottom of the league in takeaways and #19 in sacks but were #1 in QB hurries.
To say he was awful is just being overexaggerated.
With that said, I would prefer he not be the guy.
Because he was an awful HC🤪
He was 12-21, to me that’s awful
Who cares if his Ds were good in some categories, if he couldn’t win
We had some pretty good stats for passing yards against one year we won I think 1 game
In 3 years when everyone is ripping him a new one, after his firing, will you be saying the same thing about our D?
Often times a first time HC fails and in the second job they succeed. He didn’t do anything terribly stupid in Denver. I think he has the pedigree to be a good HC
He seemed in over his head to me, the job was too big for him
Same thing I thought of Bowles and Wanny, they just don’t look right standing on the sideline during a game (deer in headlights)
Would like an innovative HC, not one that just tries to copy what the HCs he worked under did
He needs to have his own ideas on how to lead a team, some guys may be good coordinators, but can’t lead a team
Often times a first time HC fails and in the second job they succeed.
I get that Ken, did you just throw that out there or is there something you see in him, that makes you feel it would be different the next time?
I love what he has done with Arizona’s defense. They are aggressive and attack the QB. I see a good football mind him and I think he warrants another shot. I get that he looked a little over his head his first go around as an HC. But I like h the product he brings as a coordinator. I think what happened what happened in Denver may have been some growing pains. He was only a DC 1 year when Denver hired him. I didn’t think he was ready to be an HC at that time. I think he is now.
Not ready ^
SBNATION
Saban to the Dolphins😝
Then you will see everyone lose their shit
LOL
This made me laugh
Mary Danielle can make things happen!
I know we all witnessed it
So this stat won’t surprise anyone
But I am honestly surprised at how upset some people were seeing Flores fired knowing this
We were never going to win like this
And it wasn’t getting any better anytime soon
Was this Fores fault or Grier’s fault? Talent vs coaching? Most likely a combination of both
Vance Joseph left to be a HC too soon IMO, but I don’t blame him for taking the opportunity when it presented himself. Maybe after a few years of watching other guys he knows what he should do.
Exactly my thoughts
sb7mvp says:
January 12, 2022 at 9:20 am
Why are we looking for the Next BU instead of the next ZT?
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I love Zach, but he was only 5’11” with a 28.5″ VJ… we need a 6’4″-er who can cover TEs like Brian Urlacher could. TEs have been our kryptonite for nearly 20 years. I hope this answers your question, SB7.
Ken
The OL failing and the offense as a whole failing was very directly Flores’ fault
The idea that an entire young OL are busts is hard to beleive – more likely poor development
We had 3 OL coaches under Flores and he had power to hire and fire them
Flores is Rex Ryan – a good DC that can turn the corner to be a good HC and generate offense
You don’t do the sort of things he did if you are an offensive minded coach
– you don’t got through offensive coach’s like that bc you have to implement new systems each time
– you don’t bench your rookie QB and expect him to start the next game like nothing os wrong
– and you certianly don’t have ambiguity as to who calls the plays
Flores wasn’t just average or below average when it came to offense
He was incompetent
An offense needs a goal and a system in place to hit that goal
I agree Flores needed help on offense but 2 years in a row we won more than we lost and we’re in contention late in the season. I also think the OL problems had a lot to do with talent evaluation. Yes coaching plays a part in that too. But when a coach has us in contention 2 years in row it should not be surprising that we are shocked when he is fired
It depends on how you define “contention” This Team was far from competing legitimately for a SB, and we were losing ground on offense, which in today’s NFL is a recipe for disaster. This offense was a disaster all season, and I cannot forget all of the mis-steps and failures of this coaching staff that led to 1-7.
Playoff contention
Miami was only in playoff contention because of the defense. And when the defense had a bad day , Miami lost. 7 weeks in a row.
That’s not why he was fired though. If he was nicer, he would still be there.
I agree. It wasn’t about coaching it was a power play by Flores and he lost if you believe the article by Barry Jackson which I do.
You’re quite gullible Ken. Barry is just throwing out there what the team wants out there
No doubt there is spin from the team but that is consistent with Flores personality and his pedigree being a Bellicheck protégé. Why do you think he was fired? Power play has been the only plausible explanation offered
My comment was tongue in cheek btw.
He was fired for lots of different reasons
The power play certainly holds weight, but Barry’s article conflicts with other reports, why choose his?
Does it really matter who they hire as a HC?
Half of the fanbase is going to hate them for 3 years then we can start again! 😉
Said mostly the same yesterday
Mike E. says:
January 12, 2022 at 8:40 am
M – Jackson was pretty horrible at LG. Need a coach to come in here that can work with the talent we have here. I want to get 2 veterans, I mentioned that here before. Bring in a solid OG like Laken Tomlinson from the 9ers and a veteran center. If you want Penny to average 6.3 YPC here we need to get this O-line fixed. I don’t believe for a second that Jackson can’t play, he needs work. He needs a coach that from day one gets him believing that he’s an NFL tackle. Eichenberg himself feels like RT is his best position. I’ll take his word for it over Lemuel.
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Yeah, we agree on all the above but for Austin Jackson. I’d be more than happy if he manages to prove me wrong. As for Eichenberg, I think he’s going to be a stud… doesn’t matter if he’s on the left or right.
Don’t see anything special in Eichenberg. Doesn’t matter what side he played as he played neither of them well
I agree. He just seemed okay to me. I doubt he will be special (short arms for the position ). Hopefully he can be solid one day.
Just my opinion, but I think this goes back to the draft a couple years ago when Burrow was drafted. I think Ross wanted to tank that season and try to get the first pick. Flores was focused on winning games and wasn’t buying in. Grier was probably on Ross’ side. Then, I believe Grier and Ross wanted to pursue Watson and Flores wasn’t happy with all the distractions and just want playing ball. Add that to Flores’ general “F U” attitude, and I think his coaching skill didn’t really matter anymore.
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I said during the preseason that I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something going on behind the scene that was contributing to how bad this team was performing. It just felt like there had to be more going on than just poor coaching to explain what we were seeing. Players looked like their heads just weren’t in it. Something was going on. Maybe this contention in the building was bleeding through to everything else.
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For the record, I’d have kept Flores. I think he has the makings of a good NFL coach. He wasn’t there yet, but I think he’d have gotten better as time went on. He is Bellicheat early in his career. Nobody likes him. Players can’t take tough coaching anymore, and Flores doesn’t have the cachet to be that sort of coach yet in his career.
If he smells bad he could always buy a bigger cachet of patchouli.
Makes as much sense as anything else, I’d add Ross’ impatience, the team being soft physically, slow starts, and the incompetence of the O
Slow starts hurt ticket sales
steveccnv says:
January 12, 2022 at 1:35 pm (Edit)
He was fired for lots of different reasons
The power play certainly holds weight, but Barry’s article conflicts with other reports, why choose his
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Because it is plausible and some of the reporting was just sensationalizing rumors. Also Jackson tends to be one of the better Dolphins beat reporters imo.
I think Jackson is the best we have In terms of not semsatiolizing things
Mike Florio and Chris Simms say no one will want the Miami job (because Ross listens to whispers and favors Grier).
A big concern for me
But then again Florio and Simms are trash
The minute anyone schedules an interview with the Dolphins. It will highlight that florio and Simms are hot garbage
Those two are so stupid, they don’t have the foresight to see how quickly they can be proven wrong
We have requests for Daboll, Quinn and McDaniels and a few others – the minute any of them accept an interview, doesn’t it undercut this stupid take by them
In the case of Vance Joseph and Daboll each has worked with both Ross and Grier in the past – they already know them…..
It’s kind of indicative of the organization perception of how each of them perceive the organization that they requested to interview two former employees isn’t it?
Florio and Simms combine to make sea cucumbers look smart
If you read the article yesterday from Barry Jackson, Grier and Flores both agreed on the talent brought in. So if you blame Grier for some of the personnel misses, you have to blame Flores too because he signed off on it. Flores getting fired was about him being on a power trip throughout the organization and people got tired of it. The decision to fire Flores was likely made well before the end of the season. It sucks but that’s what it is.
Now we need to find a new HC and hopefully this time we take the next step which we all know is the playoffs and more.
Ross is the guy who keeps getting married, then quickly divorced, and can’t figure out he’s the common denominator
As long as Ross is owner we’ll need win an SB
He wants a cohesive locker room, but won’t keep his fat ass out of the way
Never, not need, win an SB
Assumes Barry got it right, don’t think some things he wrote was true
Who made him king of the beat writers, why is everything he wrote true?
Gotta be some truth there, but it’s too easy for our FO to sit back and wait for dirt to come out, then pull Barry in and have him write everything they want portrayed
I think a lot of us who read Jackson see a guy who’s generally more reliable than others. He’s not usually eager to be clickbait
He’s at the mercy of the team, he asks questions and writes what they tell him, if they lie to him, what’s he supposed to do, he’s just reporting what they tell him
Cold blooded! Yet humorous!
Some one mentioned that this was the last thing Flores saw on the way out and I laughed
Don’t get me wrong guys
I don’t wish firing on anyone. And I would have gladly taken a year without changes
But if people are going to argue that firing Flores is a sign of a dysfunctional organization – thats just wrong
Offensive ineptitude with no sign of getting better justifies this firing
We watched and commented in real time about some of the playcalling and some of the very frustrating offense
Some times our offense didn’t even look like a professional nfl team. We all saw it week to week. So don’t let the national media set that narrative. We all know what we witnessed
Maybe it is dysfunctional, picking out some things he did wrong doesn’t mean it’s not and the firing was justified
He still had a winning record and the guys on board
Do you want to waste 3 more years, because the current coach didn’t get it all right?
Give me continuity and some form of belief the HC can get it done, like getting the team to play way over their heads the 2nd half of each season
The offense wasn’t getting any better Steve
Would you rather wait a year to waste 3 more years?
He undercut stability on offense with 3 different OL coaches, multiple OCs and not being able to bring on a good OC – we were going to be the same Dolphins in 2022 that we were in 2021. Some defensive minded coaches never get over that hump (see Rex Ryan)
And I think we need to stop with the players loved him. Most of the offensive players haven’t said positive things about him. He seems on track to follow the buddy Ryan model of offense v defense on the same team.
The O did get better this year, Tua was a much better QB, he just didn’t have much time to throw and running improved with Duke
Some players loved him, but that’s besides the point, only thing that matters is they played hard for him, can’t ask for anything more
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very poor clock management, several strange challenges, several worthless wasted time outs, especially on defense, 4 OCs in 3 years, zero offense for long stretches, backyard play calls alternating with same ol same ol plays that anybody can defense, making Waddle into Landry 2.0, making Parker Mr. Jump-ball or No-ball (OK with a few slants), very little OL development in spite of all high draft picks, losing to Jax, not being worthy of Buffalo, losing 7 in a row, bombing at Nashville, subbing for your starting QB like he’s a nickel back, …
Can’t argue that, but he still had a winning record the last 2 years, so there must be something there, because he overcame a lot 3 years in a row
Yeah exactly
Ken – no one looked good on our O-line. That doesn’t mean they’re not good, means they’re not coached properly. Not one guy really excelled, and there’s talent on that line.
There are athletes on the OL I am not convinced they are good talents. It’s not just coaching. You can coach until the cows come home if the talent is lacking or the willingness to be coached
Yep let’s just throw them all out, why waste our time with them
I’m not taking sides. Everyone involved with this football team has been failing. I’m just trying to put all the information together and make sense of it. The easiest action was that we fired Flores the day after the game which shows it was already decided. There was no end of the season evaluation, he was not coming back and they wanted to get an early start looking for a new HC.
All I care about is the football team getting better and winning and hopefully the new HC will help us do that.
I think that they do think he is basically a good guy, so that is why they fired him right away, so he could have a max chance at getting another job.
Same way you could say they were all succeeding
It sort of sounds like it was an ongoing fight all season and the day of the firing just concluded what was going to happen
That’s what I get from it all.
Hence dysfunctional
If that’s the way Ross felt, why didn’t he step in earlier, instead of waiting to see who would kiss the best ass