I know Brian Flores wasn’t perfect, I watch all the games and see this team play every week. Once the Dolphins fired Flores, it’s amazing how quickly the negative stories came out. Look, some of them are probably true, and others are just silly. I’ll never know the veracity of all of them and frankly, it doesn’t matter. I was ready to hitch my wagon to Flores and for a decade or so. I mean as a Dolphins fan, you just have to be tired of the turnover here. We’ve seen this now far too many times since the new millennium. In 2000, Dave Wannstedt was our Head Coach. In 2005 Satan, er Nick Saban took over. In 2007 we got the Cam Cameron show for all of 1 year, and with his 1-15 record, one year too many. Then Bill Parcells came to town with his lazy uninspired plan to fix the Dolphins for owner Wayne Huizenga. He brought Jeff Ireland (GM), Head Coach Tony Sparano, and OC Dan Henning and DC Paul Pasqualoni. Thanks Bill for your efforts! Near the end of the 2011 season, Todd Bowles replaced Tony Sparano. In 2012, as if Bill Parcells grand plan wasn’t uninspiring enough, Stephen Ross hired Head Coach Joe Phibin. Joe somehow was allowed to muddle through 4 seasons here boring Dolphins fans everywhere. In 2016, we hired Head Coach Adam Gase, that of “Offensive Guru” status. We was offensive alright. Maybe Ross realized that he gave Philbin one too many so he cut Gase’s tenure at 3 years. In 2019 we hired the young, fiery defensive coordinator from the rival Patriots. Yes, another Belichick disciple. Flores was given only 3 years, perhaps once again harking back to Joe Philbin getting 4 years. If you’re wondering, since the year 2000, the Dolphins record is 176-183. Uninspiring.
I’m not going to touch any of the stories circulating regarding why Flores may have been fired. We saw the offense as an ineffective unit. Flores’ defensive pedigree had this team’s defense ahead of the offense during his 3 year tenure. Not that the defense was a championship level defense, it wasn’t, but compared to the offense it may have looked that way. Our offensive line has been an issue for years and despite Grier’s attempts to bring in talent to remedy the situation, drafting OT Liam Eichenberg in RD 2 (#42) in 2021, OT Austin Jackson in RD 1 in 2020 (#18), OG Robert Hunt in RD 2 (#39), and OG Solomon Kindley (#111) in RD 4. In 2019 we drafted OC Michael Deiter in RD 3 (#78). It’s certainly not due to a lack of effort, but our 2021 O-line was ranked dead last at #32. Truth be told, I feel we have talented players on that line, but Flores’ choice of Lemuel Jeanpierre seems to be the linchpin. This is a unit that must be fixed in order for this team’s offense to be successful. I hope whoever the new HC is realizes that a great veteran O-line Coach is necessary here. Notice how I haven’t once mentioned Tua? If I could talk to him, I’d tell him this . . .
So now the search begins, and I really don’t have a strong feeling as to who the new Head Coach will be. I have to admit I’m a little concerned that we didn’t clean house completely. If Chris Grier was fired as well, you find a GM and then that GM hires the new coach. Now, despite not getting fired, you have the appearance of a GM who may be on the hot seat hiring a new Head Coach and that makes the job less appealing. As if having 8 Head Coaches in the last 21 years isn’t unappealing enough!!! The good thing Dolphins fans, is that there are only 32 Head Coaching jobs and we have an opening, so there will be lots of interest regardless of the aforementioned pitfalls. We have a young, talented roster that some coach is going to be thrilled to take the helm of. Plenty of money in Free Agency will be available as well, close to $70M. We have a defensive unit on the rise with potential to be a top 10 defense if the offense gets on track. Some of that $70M will have to be used to re-sign our own players. DE Emmanuel Ogbah, TE Mike Gesicki, WR/ST Mack Hollins, TE Durham Smythe, LB Elandon Roberts and DB Nik Needham. RB Duke Johnson will probably be taken care of as well. I think Ogbah is the top priority, he’s been great since he got here and is an important piece of this defense. I think Gesicki should also be a priority but it depends on what type of TE the new HC is looking for. If he wants a receiving threat TE then Gesicki will be back. If he wants a blocking TE then it’s more likely Durham Smythe comes back and Gesicki goes elsewhere. Mack Hollins is becoming a better WR and is invaluable as a special teams player. I also hope we re-sign Nik Needham, I like that kid, and he always exceeds expectations.
Defensive players like CB Xavien Howard, CB Byron Jones, S Jevon Holland and S Brandon Jones will be sure to help lure a potential HC here. LB’s Jerome Baker and Andrew Van Ginkel as well, and of course young DE/LB Jaelan Phillips. On offense, rookie sensation WR Jaylen Waddle is a great start, but the falloff is big after that. Free agency and the draft are going to both be used to bring in talent at WR to complement Jaylen Waddle. Running back has to be a priority as well and if you know me, I want to draft one, not overpay for one in FA. Draft a RB early enough to procure one of the best RB’s in this draft, add in one of the holdovers like Myles Gaskin, re-sign Duke Johnson and pick up a FA RB that won’t break the bank. How we proceed at TE interests me. I’m very curious to see if we keep Mike Gesicki and/or Durham Smythe.
Here’s hoping we make the right choice for our new Head Coach, whomever he may be. Here’s hoping this new Head Coach can be successful enough to be here more than 10 years. Here’s also hoping we made the right choice retaining GM Chris Grier. Here’s hoping for a full recovery for our friend Jon “Stanger”. Here’s hoping for all of us to stay healthy in 2022.
#stangerstrong
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
People don’t hold resentment towards owner like fans do. I’m with Tim, he isn’t interviewing if he doesn’t like the guy. Also all hires are like that, adding to a resume. The real world of hiring and being hired is both sides are a means to an end, and it’s how the relationship builds between employer and employee that is the reason a person stays or leaves, that and compensation, which generally still depends on the relationship as well.
Yay page turn.
Here’s a good example of how a draft looks many years later.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1996/draft.htm
Eric Moulds is a local hero around here, on of a few players from this tiny town to make it from around here. Football talent in this general area is pretty good, especially if you count mobile as “this ar
“this area”
GM Mike Mayock fired in Vegas.
??? Why ???
They are on the cusp of being a really good team…
Because Harbaugh must want control
Jim Harbaugh becomes HC and he chooses the Director of Player Personnel that he’s good with. 😉
Ahh, ok that makes sense. I’ve read the rumors that Harbaugh wants to win a Super Bowl. I guess winning an NCAA Championship might have to wait…
D, SB got me second guessing my response to you, and I apologize if it was rude, I honestly thought I was being clever and funny in my retort. Hope we’re good.
And I don’t think there is anything wrong with not caring over a mid rd pick vs a late rd. That is never what this was about for me. The whole thing just kind of got bigger than it actually is. I’m not going to talk about it anymore, lol.
Lol. It has been quite the ride Cav!
LOL, unexpectedly 🙂
Exactly, that’s funny, it was kind of unexpected
Beer me Tim 🍺😃
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Did you guys hear that the Falcons are probably trading Calvin Ridley
What do you think they get for him?
Hurts the value of Devante Parker
At least a 1st.
D says:
January 17, 2022 at 6:56 pm
People don’t hold resentment towards owner like fans do. I’m with Tim, he isn’t interviewing if he doesn’t like the guy. Also all hires are like that, adding to a resume…
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NO offense, but ya just contradicted yourself.
He said all hires are adding to a resume. You said Daboll just interviewing with us adds to his. Not really. He already has an extensive NFL resume. How is not getting a job prop him up, just because it was for HC? Okay, but he didn’t get it. I don’t think that shines a bright star.
This is from yesterday
I don’t really think the post is credible
But they give credit in the article to the person who first reported and then they say that they “confirmed it”
Which is a little different from just circulating a rumor
The post is actually saying they confirmed the report
The ‘word’, if you will, is that they want to team up as G-Men. Time will tell…
If that happens
Flores is a piece of shit who should not coach in the league again
Good I hope Flores is then a POS
Would rather he be in the NFC and doesn’t go back to cheats
Usually these reports say something like “pff is reporting”
This one goes beyond that,” _____ is reporting and the post confirmed it”
They can meet at the massage parlor
On the argument about it being no big deal selecting 26 instead of 17
Sure you can say great WRs or other positions are selected all the time outside of the top 20, but that’s not the point
The further down you are in the first, the less chance the pick is a great player
Otherwise, why would anyone ever trade up
Obviously a higher pick is more valuable
But it’s almost like a different pool at some point in the draft bc of positional value
The top half of the draft is usually heavy on other positions and when a WR breaks into it, it’s usually a couple of WRs who are head and shoulders above the rest
It’s not like sometimes a good WR is selected outside of the top 20 – it’s happens in almost every draft
It’s not a certainty – but if we are able to address the OL in free agency, you have your QB and your CBs place, and you come to a draft with your highest pick at 26 – the positions you are focusing on tend to be strong in the 20s and into the 2nd round
Yep! I’d go to battle with our current defense next year. We need an offense that scores 3 TDs PG more often than not. 17 and 20 points isn’t enough against the top teams in this league.
And with Grier picking we need all the help we can get
Where’s Peyton and Eli?
Hope I don’t have to listen to these FN a-holes
Thanks, you just reminded me there is another game tonight. I completely forgot, lol.
What no wings?
lol, not until the championship games
Thank god Peyton and Eli are on tonight
No matter who gets hired on as Miami’s head coach, their main objective will be to help Tua Tagovailoa become an upper-echelon starting quarterback in the NFL. It is very hard to win playoff games without one (just look at what happened to New England on Saturday).
Lol at the back handed stab at Jones
https://www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2022/1/17/22886730/did-brian-flores-sabotage-tua-tagovailoas-development-as-quarterback-for-the-miami-dolphins
2018/2019 Tank for Tua
2020/2021 Rank on Tua
Even though his stats are solid and has a winning record with a misfit offense. I mean seriously, we haven’t had an identity to build on. It’s starting now. It needs more talent. We have plenty of ways to upgrade the offense. It doesn’t matter who the new HC is, that has to happen.
Tua gets rid of the ball quickly most of the time. Build around quickness to get open. Add some more physicality in the run game. It can be done in one offseason.
Play 2 for the Rams playaction, after running for 35, good call
Hate when they call playaction on a for sure passing play, all it does is gives the QB less time to throw, because no one cares about the run
GA did a lot of that shit in the championship game
I believe now that Flores had to be fired, too much info has come out by so many people, that gives credibility to he was a cancer
If he was having his own QB tested for PED I don’t even know where to start…
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I think that sums it up
Based on what has been said since he was released I believe it shows why Caldwell walked away after a week .. likely figured he could not work with him .. no article to support just my opinion
Could be, just too hard to believe without him coming out and saying that
Sony Michel pick 31
Cam Akers pick 52
Piggy sweet spot lives on
https://phinphanatic.com/2022/01/15/miami-dolphins-tua-tagovailoa-work-ethic-questioned-per-report/
Never been a fan of Brian Miller, think he’s a poser
Toba
The whole thing with Caldwell was just weird
Maybe Caldwell was just like “nope” after he saw Flores in action
And he is working for someone else now I believe I heard … or I am sure some will say he saw Ross in action .. 🤷♂️
What that a lateral
Forward for sure
Flores is getting a lot of criticism and I think he deserves it. You had a good thing going but you wanted to be king before even making the playoffs.
So here is Chris Grier’s mistake. He has to take responsibility for this group. He’s the main personnel guy.
This is what I saw.
LT Liam Eichenberg – A rookie who got a lot starts and snaps at a few positions before settling in at LT for most of the season.
Pros: He was durable and reliable and showed some promise.
Cons: Struggled at times in both the run and pass game as most rookies do, welcome to the NFL type stuff.
LG Austin Jackson – 2nd year player who has really struggled at both LT and LG. He makes a lot of mistakes and gets called for a lot of penalties. Not sure why he’s not very good. I wouldn’t project him as a starter next year.
Pros: He’s usually durable and reliable to play.
Cons: He doesn’t play the game well on a consistent basis. I heard #73 way too often.
OC Michael Deiter – 3rd year player won the starting job out of camp then got hurt and missed a lot of games. Played down the stretch and was okay.
Pros: He looks like he might be a quality versatile backup, but questionable as a starter.
Cons: Fell down the depth chart in his 2nd season and couldn’t stay healthy in his 3rd.
RG Robert Hunt – 2nd year player who can be powerful but he also has his bad moments with his feet. I think he could still get better and he has to.
Pros: He was durable and reliable and showed some promise.
Cons: Struggled at times in both the run and pass game, has to become more consistent.
RT Jesse Davis – 7th year player who has been a versatile OL but he’s not particularly good at any of them. His value is with his versatility and he has NFL size. But he needs to be upgraded.
Pros: He’s been durable and reliable to play since he’s been in Miami.
Cons: He’s not starter level other than in a pinch.
It’s kind of ticky tack but Beckham avoided the hit rather than trying to score
Lol I saw that too
Wow, could be huge. I thought he would have scored if he tried to.
I think the Rams would give Tampa a harder time than Arizona , plus I’ve always liked Stafford , so GO RAMS
If the Rams play their best in all phases they can beat anyone.
bookman11 says:
January 17, 2022 at 8:14 pm (Edit)
Thank god Peyton and Eli are on tonight
Right? Thanks for the reminder. I was working! This is the problem with working from home. I get engrossed in something and forget the time.
Is there a way I can stream the Mannings without having ESPN?
Do you have Fubo ?
There’s a cure fir that I hear😝
No, the only legal streaming I have is amazon and netflix.
Fubo supposedly giving free trial
LOL Toba, I almost made a VD joke, but I’m all gun shy right now 😂
🙄
LOL, Herd. Thanks anyway. I guess the only way to get it is to stream it legally. I could use the Fubo free trial but I don’t want to put in that much effort.
Lazy ape 😎
And high, Toba…lazy and high, lol.
lol
I had Eli and Peyton on for 3 mins week one .. couldn’t stand it .. was quite happy found broadcast without them. To each their own 🤷♂️
Should be a TD
Cardinals look like shit
Yep
I had the Nickelodeon feed on 2nd tv yesterday, was interesting..
Sponge Bob fg had me weak
Was kinda Kewl when he went smiley face when it was good … was really hard to see the ball though.. it was a good 10 secs behind the network feed so able to watch live , then turn head to see the Nick feed .. could never watch entire game solely on Nick
After Hopkins went out Cardinals offense has been miserable
I was just typing the same thing
I will still take the beer 🍺
🍻:)
Refs developing a new fuel injection system during the game
…because they are talking about this so long
They reviewed it and then they are challenging it?
I think that whole time they were talking it was to make the initial call.
Beer for you!
Cheers, finally got me a beer, lol.
I think the initial completion call took so long to make after the Refs huddling and everything that it seemed like that was a review, but it was actually the initial call
WOW!!!!
Dumb and dumber
lol … Dwayne Johnson drinking booze straight from the bottle
Is it just me, or should the challenge rules be changed?
I hate that if the Rams lost that challenge they would be out even though they got the 1st call correct. I think if you win a challenge, you should still have that challenge, and when you miss two, you’re done.
Games will be 5 hours long is the problem with that
I think somehow you have to limit the number
I think the rule is max 3 if you win 2.
I agree. But I can see it getting out of hand with too many.
Agree Cav, why penalize a team, because the officiating crew screwd up
What a dumbass
That was crazy !!!
I never realized the 3rd challenge was it even if you win all 3. I thought as long as you win, you keep getting them. I just looked it up and you guys are right.
Ok, I’ll amend it then. I think if you win either of your 1st two challenges, you should automatically get the 3rd.
LOL, this game is crazy.
Murray is playing really sloppy.
Looks like he wants to play baseball next year😝
This game is over
Who here wants us to build around Tua as opposed to moving on? Yea or Nay.
Yea.
Yea , for at least next year 🤔
Yea
Yea
Of course
Dang, I should have said ‘threeve’ lol
Rams look like they’re playing defense with 15 guys on the field.
Was thinking the same but from AZ side, which made me think was Watson also dependent on Nuke like Murray seems to be, so with us without Nuke would he suck?
Hopkins was gone last year when Watson had a very good season
In mop up duty
Yea for at least one more year
If you win 3 challenges there’s something wrong with the officials. Pull them out and have replacements on hand! 😂
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To fix that, you should get 2 failed challenges, so after each successful challenge it would be like you get it back, like you do with the timeout
So what does Tua have to do to get past one more year?
Stay healthy, and after we get a real OL, show that it WAS the OL play that made our offence anemic
Is it team success or his personal stats?
I’d say one would lead to the other , so both
Tim, he needs to pass the eye test and get us to playoffs, but hard to say that now, when we don’t know who the HC will be and what the team will be like
Make us feel like, when we need 1 score to win with 2 minutes to go we’re going to win
He’s probably going to be on his 3rd offensive system in 3 years…sigh…we still have a ton of issues to fix on offense including our oline and skill positions. I’m not sure what kind of expectations are realistic to put on him until we know what the new makeup of the offense is going to be.
If we don’t fix the OL, and get more toys , we still won’t know
But at least at that point resigning him would be cheap
Learn the new offense, execute new offense!
I am done watching this game
I will be if cards don’t score this drive
Build around Tua:
OL that can actually make a block for more than a second as opposed to whiffing from the get go.
WR needs more quickness to get open fast like Waddle. Double or triple up if we can.
TE not sure Gesicki for the money he’ll probably be offered, fits building around Tua. He’s not a quick twitch receiver. I think we might go to a TE by committee with Smythe, Shaheen and Long etc. where they sneak out from time to time.
RB we have some good backs but not a lot of special or power. Add more talent.
We have the cap space and draft capital to totally revamp the offense.
*If we lose Gesicki in FA to a big contract we will likely get the coveted comp pick in 2023, maybe even a 3rd! 😉
Sigh.. k Rams score here and I’m out 🧐
Starting to look like a hockey game is gonna break out
Wife just pointed out 1/2 the card players have Red Sox, and 1/2 have white
It’s not baseball😉
Yeah it capitalized as I hit send
That’s it NFL throw a flag for holding to keep the TV audience
So there’s why the Cards went for 2, a Rams fg keeps it a 3 score game
Think that’s game.
Yep Goliath time
It’s crazy how many blowouts there have been this weekend.
The only 2 good games were Bengals vs Raiders and Cowboys vs SF
Odds are if we were in the playoffs we would have been blown out. We would have played the Chiefs, and unless our defense had a day, it would have been a similar outcome to what happened with the Steelers.
And I would have been fine with that. Instead, we are in the middle of a coaching search and wondering where this team is headed as a franchise.
I wouldn’t have been fine with getting blown out, but I know what you mean. I’d probably be just as disappointed with a shitty effort like I was against TEN. Someday, hopefully I’m able to enjoy it when it happens, this team will be able to win big games
SB – If 1/4 of the things about Flores are true that are coming out now, I’m glad he’s gone.
Yeah, it’s hard to tell, but most seems like a BS smear campaign because Garfinkel and Grier got their feelings hurt. We’ll never know. I just hate being in limbo again, especially when there aren’t any clear upgrades out there to replace him.
Unless there’s a wide conspiracy, which I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of doing, it’s pretty safe to say Flores had issues with his staff and didn’t play well with others
With that said, Ross did what he had to
If he had stayed we would’ve been stuck in the mud, year after year with coaching changes and stupid player changes
Word would’ve gotten out, and probably already did, which might be why we don’t have a real OC and OL coach
If we had beat Tenn, we would’ve been the 6th seed, KC would’ve been first seed dropping Tenn to the second
We would’ve been playing in the frigid air in Buffalo, and we would’ve gotten spanked like the cheats did in all likelyhood
I think we would have got beat bad by either, no difference. Flores never showed he had his team prepared for a big game so I’m not crying that he’s gone. I still think he could be a good coach, just like I think Tua can be a good QB
Flores is a good coach, but until he changes that belicheatian attitude he’ll never be anything more than what he was with us
I don’t believe half the crap written about Flores and his departure. Do I suspect there are some kernels of truth in what has been reported but I am sure there are many more angles to it than what we are being told
Hard to believe the stuff about Flores and Watson isn’t based on the truth, the truth that Flores does want Watson to be his QB
With that said, it’s easy to believe Flores doesn’t care too much for Tua
That’s one side of the problem with Flores
The other side is him being disliked by enough people in the organization for it to be an issue
Whether he was or not doesn’t really matter, the fact that his coordinators kept leaving likely says its true, but either way too many people didn’t seem to like him and why the turnover
KVN and McKinney didn’t see eye to eye with him either causing them to get cut, which hurt us early in the season
I haven’t been able to watch a comedy series in nearly 20 years, but I just started watching Silicon Valley. This show is hilarious.
When people talk about Flores, just like some TV programs, they juice up the story to make it interesting
For that reason, I don’t take everything someone says as truth or care if it is, I’m not looking for 1 exaggeration to prove its not true, because I want it to be untrue, I’m looking for the point of what they’re trying to say, then look at things that make it more likely than not
We heard for 3 years how great the FO got along, but we knew they kept the dirty laundry in house
Really hard to believe that now, with the Watson interest by Flores seemingly true
Ken, you said you don’t believe half of what was written about Flores and his departure
Why don’t you?
I find it hard to believe that a HC would actively try to undercut his starting QB as is being reported
That’s the part I don’t believe. He wanted to win just as much as anyone in the organization, IMO. I do believe he wanted Watson for the future and the FO entertained the idea. Feeling I get is there was no deal in sight and the FO decided it was time to move on with Tua and shut that idea down and Flores wasn’t happy about it.
How soon you forget what Philbin did to Tannehill
Keeping in mind fixing OL in FA. I traded down from 26 to 32 and picked up 64 because I thought Dotson was already gone. Luckily, he was still there at 32.
32. Jahan Dotson WR Penn State
50. Kenneth Walker RB Michigan State
64. Brandon Smith LB Penn State
100. Alec Pierce WR Cincinnati
117. Thayer Munford OG/OT Ohio State
121. James Cook, RB Georgia
156. John Ridgeway DT Arkansas
200. Zach VanValkenburg EDGE Iowa
221. Skylar Thompson QB Kansas State
Added 2 WR’s who run in the 4.3’s. Also doubled down on RB but don’t see that really happening.
That works
From the wtf files
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/01/18/nfl-malik-mcdowell-accused-of-public-exposure-beating-broward-deputy/
Sheesh!
They should have tasered his genitals. Let the punishment fit the crime lol.
When your lawyer has nothing, just say maybe someone slipped him something
CavalierKong says:
January 17, 2022 at 1:35 pm
SB, to give you a real answer to what I think you’re asking…D and I have bantered strong in the past and he banters and busts chops very well. He busted my chops and I think he’ll take my post in the spirit intended.
If I misread him, then I’ll apologize right now. I saw myself as giving a good defense of my point of view while strongly returning his banter at the same time, but if it comes off as mean, it honestly wasn’t intended that way.
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Yeah i was joking when i started talking about big girl panties etc. I didn’t find anything you said offensive, i can see how it could have seemed like ya finished aggressively but no harm no foul. I actually jumped in middle of the argument and was tacking on a “don’t sweat it” comment, because int he past we have beleaguered lots fo points of oh we don’t need to win this game because we will lose a spot in the draft or whatever lol, i just find it funny that we have yet to either draft a player or miss out on a player that would have significantly change the outcome of our team since the problem we have had doesn’t seem to be related to what position we pic in the draft but rather the execution on the field or lack of effective leadership.
I guess I should have made it known I was joking as well. The conversation seemed to be one of those where someone is accused of being defensive when they are not, which automatically makes the person defensive. Denying that they aren’t being defensive just confirms they are, so the person can’t win.
True lol. Its one of the more beautiful argument catch 22’s.
Well the timing set me up beautifully because I had mulled over whether my comment was too much or not before posting it, so even though I did consider for a second you might be joking, I dismissed that pretty quickly and just assumed you were pointing out I was being a dick, lol.
26. Treylon Burks/Jameson Williams WR Arkansas\Alabama
Ones a Devonte clone, big guy, good speed, possession and 50/50 guy. Good redzone. Other is a larger Waddle type, maybe not quite as dynamic.
50. Brian Robinson/Zamir White RB Alabama/UGA
Ones a downhill guy, trucker, and the other is a more elusive runner, good when he gets in the open. Possible could get white in the 3rd, kinda depends on how he shows up at combine.
100. Wandale Robinson WR UK, Kaiir Elam CB UF
Kinda depends on the offseason at those two positions. If we gut the WR group, which we probably should we add back a Devonte, with Burks and Fuller with either Williams or Robinson. If we have trouble getting some CB’s resigned and/or cant get anything out of Igmahogany with this coaching change, we grab Elam as a guy with boundary ability. Im not sure wth his speed if Robinson makes it this far but i have seen him rated 2-3.
117. Jamaree Salyer/Thayer Munford OG/OT UGA/Ohio State
Both are really solid picks at this point and good players with experience ad both positions.
121. maybe the other one that we didn’t take out of the pair listed above. Need some OL to develop.
Ill stick with the rest of yours BBM to round out. I have done enough of a deep dive to really get into those rounds, though i do like Ridgeway, but kind of expect him to go a little sooner.
156. John Ridgeway DT Arkansas
200. Zach VanValkenburg EDGE Iowa
221. Skylar Thompson QB Kansas State
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this would be mine as an early mock, Im a fan of trading down i just haven’t looked at scenarios to figure out who would be a potential partner.
Lol, you want to trade down!
Weren’t you saying yesterday it didn’t matter what pick we had in the 1st?
Bills’ fans are pissed at Stefon Diggs for going to the Cowboys vs 49ers game, shown during and after the game with no mask
At least he didn’t go see Spiderman
#Geekwatch
I really LIKE this guy, Mike McDaniel! However, he’s Joe Philbin. He’s behind the scenes in creating the plays, but he doesn’t call the plays… never has.
Asking for a friend: is anyone here still a fan of the ‘Wide-9′ concept? You’d get a HELL NO from me, and that’s one of the reasons Vance Joseph must not become our next HC.
Robert Quinn, anybody? 18.5 sacks this past season with Da’ Bears (w/o the ‘Wide-9’), 6.5 sacks as a Phin (16 games) with ‘Wide-9’ Joseph as DC. Then Matt Burke continued the ‘Wide-9’ for two more years after Joseph.
We don’t need to revisit the ‘Wide-9’ ever again… especially with how good our Defense has become since the departures of Joseph and Burke.
If we can retain Boyer as our DC, that’s continuity on one side of the ball that has been very good. Best chance to retain Boyer? Brian Daboll.
Wide 9 is fine, if you like getting gashed on running plays
EXACTLY, Steve!!!
HELL NO to the Wide-9!!!
Plus, the Eagles fared no better than us when they went Wide-9. It doesn’t work in the NFL.
Tim Knight says:
January 17, 2022 at 8:08 pm
He said all hires are adding to a resume. You said Daboll just interviewing with us adds to his. Not really. He already has an extensive NFL resume. How is not getting a job prop him up, just because it was for HC? Okay, but he didn’t get it. I don’t think that shines a bright star.
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All 3 of us are talking about possibilities here. My main point is that even should Ross decide to hire Daboll as our next HC, Daboll has the right to turn it down. Daboll’s resume looks even better, being he was interviewed for another a HCing job (see Eric Bieniemy), without taking the job offered him.
I’m sayin’… Daboll doesn’t HAVE to accept our HCing job, just because it could be offered him: I’m looking at this matter in 3D, not 2D.
All of that stated, I HOPE Daboll gets and wants the job!
It sounds like Daboll could be heading to the Giants especially if they hire Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen. That’s the latest of what I’ve been hearing in local news.
That would be a true bummer to me, should that happen, man.
Yeah I’d be bummed too. Schoen is the first GM candidate to get a 2nd interview with the Giants.
D, good breakdown. I really like Burks also for some reason. He has that potential to be a monster.
You might have to take Elam at 50, been hearing him being talked up lately.
You are right about Ridgeway. I don’t think he makes it past 4th round. You could take him with your 121 pick.
I don’t know much about VanVaulkenburg other than I watched the Iowa/KY bowl game and remembered his name called a bit. Had 2 sacks that game but only 5.5 on the season with 9 total last 2 seasons.
The issue with any defensive system is you can’t do one thing over and over. Teams will exploit it. Most teams these days use a lot of different formations. The same with offenses.
You’re talking about our 0-Blitz, aren’t you? Yes… I agree.
I was referencing the wide 9. It’s really a pass rush scheme. But you can’t play it exclusively. Just like we didn’t play cover 0 all the time. You have to mix it up based on what you think your strengths are and what your opponents weaknesses are. I’m not sure any defense plays a strict system anymore. It’s all about matching up with the spread offenses. At the end of the day, you need talent in any scheme. Not every team can play cover 0 like we do. You have to have the corners, safeties and LBs that can cover man.
D, as far as the QB, I think we need a really good prospect to bring up behind Tua.
Skylar Thompson is worth a late round pick but all the draft sites I have seen list him as an UDFA. I don’t know why he is not getting any love from all the draft gurus out there. He played well against good teams, 2021 vs. #6 OK, 29-41, 320, 3 TD, 0 INT in a 37-31 loss but in 2020 beat then ranked #3 OK 38-35 and was 18-25, 334, 1 TD 0 INT and 3 rush TD’s. Career he has 42 TD’s to 16 INT’s and 26 rush TD’s.
Nothing wrong with developing a young QB that isn’t a blue chip prospect. But Tua being a young QB himself who is also developing, I think a guy who has some game experience is the better way to go for a backup QB. Having to play a green young QB who’s not really considered a potential starter usually ends up in losses.
I agree, but the free agent pool is not that great. He would be good to bring up even if just to stash on PS and see how he develops. Worth a 7th round pick, IMO.
We can get a FA QB to be backup (not named Brissett) but they will never be more than what they are. Just looking at bringing one to develop and see if he turns into something.
That I agree with. But not as a the #2 backup. I’d also move on from Brissett. I have no confidence in him. I thought he was better than what he showed this year.
Did that dolphin just get out of the pool?
Regarding the reports that Flores had Tua tested for PEDs my understanding is that is BS. I was reading today that a team cannot independently test their players. Pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement all testing is to be done by the league. The team cannot ask a player to be tested. I don’t know if Tua was tested by the league or not but if he was it was not at the direction of Flores.
Yeah I’m not buying that one. I think the simple reason he was fired was because he alienated himself from others acting like he was the only voice in the building. It wasn’t because he can’t coach or the status of the offense. It was all about communication and working together cohesively. The same reason Jim Harbaugh was fired in SF and he had more success than Flores did.
Yeah, that sounded bogus as well.
We’re interviewing Dan Quinn this week for HC and he’s been rumored to be the favorite in Denver. He is the most proven HC candidate available. He’s an excellent defensive coach and is known to be a good culture builder. He works well with people.
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mf13ss says:
January 18, 2022 at 3:38 pm
I really LIKE this guy, Mike McDaniel! However, he’s Joe Philbin. He’s behind the scenes in creating the plays, but he doesn’t call the plays… never has.
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I dont think Philbin’s only issue was not calling plays
Can we stop making this comparison
I don’t really think calling plays is a huge issue here
He might hire an OC if he’s the HC, and the OC will call the plays anyway
I don’t really think it matters
As long as he doesn’t hire 3 or 4 play callers….lol
Philbins defenses were pretty bad
He gave speeches off index cards
And his first year was clouded by the Jonathan Martin thing which was mishandled across the board by the Dolphins
And I’m Philbins final year, he let Lazor install his own offense, so Philbins wasnt really a behind the scenes scheme guy or some kind of offensive genius that didn’t call plays. He was kind of just there
He just wasn’t ever suited to be a head coach
He wasn’t attached to a particular offense
He was useless on one side of the ball (defense)
And he really just didn’t have much of a presence at all
I don’t think it’s fair to McDaniel to call him the sequel to Philbin just bc McDaniel doesn’t call plays
I agree with you the comparison is not necessarily fair but I do think the lack of play calling experience is a negative. Not a disqualification but a negative imo
Agreed. Play calling isn’t a sudden decision. It’s been game planned and worked out based on game situations all week. It’s never one guy either. There is constant communication. All the coaches involved know what the play is and why they’re calling it. It’s not like playing Madden. LOL
Leslie Frazier is the other HC candidate I like. He was a really good CB for one of the most historic defenses of all time with the 85 Bears. He’s got a lot of coaching experience since 1999 in the NFL, has been a DC multiple times and has been a HC. He runs an aggressive defense in Buffalo and would likely continue that with our defense. His main challenge would be finding a good OC to help us get to another level on offense.
My preference is to focus on the offensive side of the ball and keep Boyer but Frazier is a well qualified candidate
I hear ya, but if Frazier hired a good OC who can help get this offense to another level that could work too. I think he would keep our defense ascending.
We all know on offense, we need more talent. That has to happen regardless of who the next HC is. 13-20 points most of the time is not enough. A couple of nice drives per game is not good enough. We need better players in a lot of areas.
In response to an earlier post from Piggy about the trade value of Calvin Ridley I was just reading in Dolphin Nation that the expected cost is a 2nd round pick
It’s been said here already but I’ll repeat it I would prefer them to get an offensive coach and try to keep our DC
Not sure if that’d work but I like our D and if we kept continuity at least on that side of the ball we will e that much closer and ready.
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I agree but Quinn or Frazier as HC could still keep our defense ascending. You play the way your players play well. It’s all about matchups. The days of a strict system are over.
Pigster,
I’m sorry, but promotion from the Joe Philbin role of creating plays without having ever called plays — to HC — is a non-starter for me, in regards to Mike McDaniel.
He should probably get promoted to actual signal-caller first, as an OC… and he hasn’t even crossed that bridge.
That’s where I’m coming from, strictly. Perhaps it’s not cool to compare McDaniel to Philbin, but it is what it is in the broader scope of things (experience). We can ALWAYS agree to disagree, Bro!
Plus, with Mike McDaniel’s lack of experience… will he be able to form an elite staff? I don’t think so. JMO
Philbin was at least able to fall back on Mike Sherman… and even that didn’t work out so well.
That’s the question about most guys, Daboll included in that. Will they be able to assemble a quality staff. I suppose the only ones who would know would be Grier and those coaches. I would imagine those would be stock questions in the interview, who would you be bringing in for OC, DC, ST’s, OL, DL etc.
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Mike E,
Daboll has the experience and credentials to bring in a decent supporting cast as his staff.
We all know the OL has to get better and I don’t care who those players are. Whatever is better is good with me. Then Tua has to take another step on decision making. We need another WR to keep teams off of focusing on Waddle. He is so quick and fast and we turned him into Landry. Nobody else on offense scared anyone. Yeah they could make some plays like everyone else, but it didn’t lead to scoring 30 points often. We were sort of a hosh-posh offense.
We need more go-to-guys. Not who got it this time. It’s okay to have a lot of players who contribute, but other than Tua and Waddle, who is more important than them on offense? I’m building around them. There is not one other player that can’t be replaced. We need to add more special. I want us to add another Waddle type. Someone who can make a defense say fuck… now there are two of them. LOL
Parker and Gesicki are nice big receivers. But they don’t break games open. We’ve watched it for 4 years with them both here. What have we won? I like Parker and he’s affordable right now. I’m not paying Gesicki top TE money because I think he’s limited. He’s a gallop guy. Our offense should be quick strike and setup deep routes. I think Smythe, Shaheen and maybe Long or someone else without paying big money could be productive at TE in the passing game.
For me investments in upgrading the OL and WR should be the priority. More explosive plays in the passing game. I think we’ve all seen that with a good OL a myriad of RBs can be productive. That said, not against a jolt of special at the position either. A really good RB could make a difference too. I like Rashaad Penny in FA. The talent is there. Staying healthy has been an issue.
You really think Calvin Ridley is worth a 1st or 2nd round pick???
He left the team after the game against us where he only had 4 receptions on 10 targets for 26 yards and 1 TD. He left and didn’t play again all season.
“Ridley, who did not play after Week 7 to focus on his mental health, has not contacted members of the Falcons’ front office regarding plans for next season, Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports.
Spin: There’s still very little information regarding Ridley’s abrupt leave of absence from the Falcons and it doesn’t seem as if the franchise or player has any intentions of accelerating the issue anytime soon. Garafolo even went on to say it’s possible both sides could mutually seek a trade this offseason, though that’s by no means something that has been confirmed by either party. The 2018 first-round pick had his $11.12 million fifth-year option exercised this past offseason, though it remains to be seen if that compensation would be fully guaranteed given that distinction is normally reserved for injury only. The 27-year-old finished the 2021 season with 31 receptions for 281 yards and two touchdowns across five games.”
His best season was 2020 with 90 receptions for 1374 yards and 9 TD’s. BUT, that was being targeted 143 times with ONLY 90 RECEPTIONS. He only caught 53.8% of balls thrown his way last year.
Clearly, something was not right with him going back to last year. Wonder how many drops he had last year to have that 53.8% reception rate.
This year his reception rate was on the 40’s before he left for the rest of the season.
Talent wise yes. He needs to be focused on football though.
M – Dan Quin does too, but in reality, we have no idea who they would want, and be able to bring in. Who knows, maybe one of the young guys like McDaniel has good contacts and can bring good people here. I have no idea.
Yes on Tua, if they gave Tanny 7fucking years they should at least give Tua 5. He has played better and shown more improvement in his first 2 than Tanny did. Now I thought they probably should have cut out with Tanny after 5 after start out a big fan, and even though I think we are seeing more growth from Tua I’d still say if we are questioning is he the guy after year 5, we need to be getting on with things. Now maybe we bring in some strong competition after next year, but I’m not for going through what we did with Tanny who also kinda got shit on by his coaches too.
By the end of the rookie contract you should have a good idea of whether or not he is the future
I’d go further and say he’s worth the 5thbyearcextension as long as he shows to be close and still ascending.
This guy could be there when we pick in the 1st round with the 49er pick that is beyond the moon. LOL
Seriously though, he’s similar to Waddle. I want two of them in 2022.
steveccnv says:
January 18, 2022 at 1:28 pm
Lol, you want to trade down!
Weren’t you saying yesterday it didn’t matter what pick we had in the 1st?
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No what I said was the quality player etc at 20 vs 26 wasn’t enough to sweat the difference on reference to complaints over SF’s win. That’s where it started at least.
Now couple that with trading down…
I get what you are saying but in trade scenarios 20 vs 26 varies very little on the interest and value in return on that trade. This draft is weak and there probably won’t be a lot of motivation to trade up unless it’s all the way up because the very top is shallow.
Wide 9 is a fine system if you have a ILB thats a complete stud as Seattle has/had when they really popularize it. You have the right guys at a couple of key spots and it’s a terrifying system. Don’t have those guys and it’s equally terrifying.
Not much different than playing Cover 0 when you have no corners. LOL
What I Daboll or Frazier were named our HC and brought the other along as his coordinator
I think they both get HC jobs.
Who is the top prospect in this years draft? Is the top 15 so good I can’t believe we lost out? LOL
Instead of preference, who do you think will become our new HC?
I think they are going to go with Daboll or McDaniel
Daboll, most likely imo. Possibly McDaniels, the NE one unless they give him a timeline for the NE job.
Ridley runs sick clean routes and is one of the best players I ever saw in college at creating separation out of his breaks. I don’t know if his injury messed up that but if completely recovered, I could see a second for him. We used a second on a player who was similar, and not as athletic.
Yeah I would use a 2nd too. And then resign Parker and then have a trio of waddle, Parker and Ridley
Our history of signing injury prone WRs makes me leery of Ridley. I would pursue Pringle in FA. I know not same level talent but much less risk and you give up no draft capital
I really hope they don’t spend money on some one with lackluster talent like Pringle
Pringle is really good
I’ll watch Pringle this weekend: see if he is good when the chips are down 😉
See how he stacks up
I just don’t want to invest money and or draft capital to another injury prone WR who won’t see the field
D, I think he is healthy. It’s just his mental state of mind right now or a couple months ago. I guess I would be ok with a 2nd.
Tim, I really like Dotson if he is there. I worry he climbs draft boards and is taken before Jameson Williams due to William’s ACL injury.
Burks is a beast. If we were to miss out on all the others, I would go with Burks who is 6’3 a whopping 232 and runs a 4.45.
If Arkansas had a decent QB you would have heard a lot more about him.
LOL @ Bookman…nice
My brain didn’t even catch that. I must be tired. Well played Bookman
Ken, I hear Jalen Nailor might enter the draft. He is project to run a 4.39.
Nice I like him. I watched a few Spartan games to check out Walker but Nailor also stood out
Say no to Ridley. Bess 2.0
I’m not keen on this franchise already with their continued acquisition of players that have shown some issues or repeatedly injured.
I get not wanting to invest in Ridley. But comparing him to Bess is not accurate. He’s more like Isaac Bruce.
I meant mentally. Nobody seems to know what’s going on up there
I know he was a protect of mine in my FFL this year. He seems to want out of ATL but I don’t know the extent of it. He’s a really good WR when his head is in the game though.
Interesting stat:
That’s pretty crazy!
Ridley has no injury. Head case. Personally, I wouldn’t want him at any price. He quit on ATL, he’ll get mad wherever he goes and quit there too. Miami seems to have finally built a team mentality – why bring in malcontents and ruin that.
I don’t want Dan Quinn or Leslie Frazier. To me, those are guys who are decent DC’s when they have the talent, but aren’t guys who are going to be could at running the whole team or are they able to bring the most out of average talent. They’re the Norv Turners and Mike Nolans of the world. I have a feeling that the team wants Daboll and is brought in Frazier as a Rooney Rule candidate.
When you look at our team, we have talent, but it’s just decent to above average talent. We have one superstar in X and it’s possible that Holland, Waddle, or even Phillips get there. We have several C+ to B+ range, but it’s really not close to a championship roster, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
It’s a watered down league. Playoff/ Championship coaches need to know how to assemble staffs and get the most out of the whole roster. I don’t see that Quinn or Frazier. We also have the problem of Grier at GM who conistently passes over generational talents to grab guys who are just ok to slightly good. This last draft class is TBD, but so far, he has shown to be every bit of a Parcells acolyte.
That’s why I would put Pederson over the rest of the available candidates, although I don’t think we’ve tried to interview him. He’s shown he can assemble a staff and get the most out of talent. He’s won a Super Bowl. I don’t know if he’ll be able to get back there, but I believe he can get us closer than anyone else. Plus, with his RPO experience, he’ll be able to get the most out of Tua. After Pederson I would go Daboll then Kellen Moore with the slight edge over McDaniel, simply because of experience. I just don’t have much hope for anyone past Pederson.
Didn’t Dan Quinn go to the Superbowl? and if he’d just ran and kicked the field goal he would have won that super bowl 🙂
Hope he blew his candles even half as well as he blew his blocking assignments!
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