Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

by Dave Hartman “The Pigskin Papers”

Olave and Wilson taking their talents to the NFL

Welcome to the second season of Fantasy Football coverage from the Pigskin Papers! Over the next 3 months, we’ll post lots of great (and free) content to help you prepare for fantasy drafts. Bookmark the site and check back often. 

We’re kicking things off with a look at the 2022 rookie class of WRs. Rookie receivers have been a big factor in fantasy the past 2 seasons, and we think that trend will continue. It wasn’t always this way. Let me take you back 19 years, to September 7, 2003. It’s Week 1 of the 2003 NFL season and you can feel the anticipation and excitement, as fantasy players plug in lineups for the first time in 9 months. As always, a few things will go down in Week 1 that take fantasy managers by surprise. Perhaps the biggest one this time around is the astonishing performance of Arizona rookie WR Anquan Boldin. Facing the Lions, Boldin erupts for 10 catches, 217 yards and 2 TDs. This out-of-nowhere, record setting NFL debut leads to an all-out waiver wire stampede, as you might imagine. You see, Boldin isn’t on many rosters in redraft leagues. First off, he’s a rookie, and back then, the expectations for rookie WRs in Year 1 were modest at best. Also, he suffered an ACL tear during college, and ran slow at the combine (4.71). He fell to the 2nd Round and wasn’t even the first WR the Cardinals drafted that year. But his debut wasn’t a fluke. Boldin finished the year with a stat line of 101-1,377-8, on an astounding 165 targets. If it wasn’t for what Randy Moss did 5 years prior (69-1,313-17), it would’ve gone down as the greatest season by a rookie WR in the Super Bowl era. As it was, he set modern-day rookie records for catches and yards. 

For many years, the conventional wisdom was that while RBs could be expected to step in and produce right away, receivers needed time to adjust and Year 3 was the most likely time for a WR breakout. The WR piece of that wisdom has been put to rest. The pro and college games both have evolved significantly in the decades since Moss and Boldin came into the league, and the college ranks are producing more and more pro-ready WRs who can quickly acclimate at the next level. Not only that, these receivers are coming in a wide range of size, speed, athleticism, and skill set combinations, and franchises are finding players that can fill the various receiver roles that the modern NFL game demands. Moss, Boldin, and Odell Beckham, Jr. in 2014 all put up WR1 fantasy campaigns as rookies and that made them outliers for the time. For many years the conventional wisdom mostly held, and fantasy players drafted accordingly.

Again, that was then and this is now, and fantasy managers need to keep adjusting. Justin Jefferson broke Boldin’s rookie yardage record in 2020 (and finished the year as the WR6 in Half PPR), only to see his college teammate Ja’Marr Chase break his mark in 2021, while posting a whopping 18 YPC and 13 TDs and finishing the season as the WR4 in Half PPR. Boldin’s rookie catch record fell last year too, to Miami’s Jaylen Waddle, who caught 104 balls. And it wasn’t just Chase and Waddle who lit it up last season. Over the final 7 weeks, only Cooper Kupp scored more fantasy points among WRs than Detroit rookie (and 4th Round pick) Amon-Ra St. Brown. And over a 6 week stretch in the middle of the season (before he got hurt), 2nd Round pick Elijah Moore of the Jets was a top 5 fantasy WR. Waddle was solid all year and finished as the WR14 in Full PPR. And going back to 2020, rookies CeeDee Lamb and Chase Claypool didn’t have monster seasons like Jefferson did, but both finished just inside the Top 20 in Half PPR.

Jefferson – The poster child for the rookie breakout

For fantasy managers, rostering a breakout rookie receiver can be the difference between making the playoffs and going home. You know what a lot of 2020 league winners had in common? They either took a late flier on Jefferson, or more likely, grabbed him off the waiver wire after he went off in Week 3. And those who ignored the reports that Chase was dropping balls left and right in training camp and drafted him anyway (his ADP was around Round 6) ended up with a top 5 WR at a massive discount.

It’s not just fantasy players who are noticing that receivers can contribute early. So are NFL teams, who are similarly motivated to try to get tremendous value – in their case, the value that a stud receiver on a rookie deal can bring to a franchise. Continuing a trend that shows no sign of slowing down, NFL franchises selected 6 WRs in the first 18 picks of the 2022 NFL Draft. Seven more WRs went in Round 2, plus 4 more in Round 3. For fantasy managers, this gives us a lot of names to think about as we try to unearth the next Chase, Jefferson, Waddle or St. Brown in 2022 redraft leagues. 

Before we start dissecting the 2022 rookies, it’s worth noting that the top guys don’t compare to the top prospects from a year ago. Chase was the highest rated WR prospect to come along in a while, and he, Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith all would’ve been the first WR taken if they were in this class. Still, the 2022 group is talented and deep, with plenty of players who could be relevant – or more – in fantasy this year. As is always the case with rookies, some players will emerge as legit fantasy starters as the season progresses, and when that happens they’ll be waiver wire priority adds who get gobbled up quickly. This is what happened with Moore and St. Brown in 2021. So that’s the first piece of advice: you’ll want to keep a close eye on the rookie receivers early in the season, paying particular attention to these 3 stats that you won’t find in a traditional box score: snap shares, routes run, and target shares. You’ll want to pounce before it’s too late. Our weekly Waiver Wire column will be helpful with this.

So who should fantasy managers target in drafts this summer, and keep on their waiver wire watch list? Let’s approach this strategically. Rookie WRs are hard to project. At the extremes, we can expect a couple of them to be breakout players who you can eventually start with confidence, while others won’t even be rosterable. Most will fall somewhere in the middle and will have their moments, but they’ll be hard to trust on a weekly basis. So let’s identify the factors that’ll help us try to figure out which rookie receivers have the most breakout potential. I think the 3 biggest ones to focus on are (1) talent, (2) target opportunities, and (3) landing spot/situation. This third factor combines QB play, coaching, style and productivity of the offense, and fit. But looking at those sub-factors can be deceiving. Neither St. Brown nor Moore would’ve gotten high marks for landing spot/situation in 2021. But they had this in common – they played on teams that sported a bottom-2 defense, meaning the offense constantly had to chase points. So when looking at landing spot, let’s factor that in as well.

With these criteria in mind, here are my favorite rookie WR targets for 2022 in redraft leagues (note – ADPs listed are current and will change over the summer, and things like injuries, signings and cuts, camp reports and more will have an impact  – so take the ADPs with a grain of salt and I’ll update this column in August):

Treylon Burks – Primed for a big role with the Tennessee Titans
  1. Treylon Burks. The Titans took the Arkansas product with the 18th pick in the Draft, meaning 5 WRs went before him. But for this season, I like him best. Why? Because for me, he does the best job of checking all 3 boxes. A.J. Brown is gone, and Burks is a big, strong, and somewhat explosive target who has some of the same attributes as Brown. He has lots of experience operating from the slot, but the Titans figure to use him in a multitude of ways. What I really like is the opportunity, as he’s likely to have less competition for targets than other rookies. The Titans don’t have a single returning player who caught 40 balls last year. The top 2 receivers figure to be Burks and former Ram Robert Woods, who is also new to the team and is coming off a season-ending ACL tear in November. And finally, I like the landing spot. Yes, the Titans run the ball a lot, but they’re a highly productive offense that scores plenty. Ryan Tannehill is a master at play action, and talented receivers can thrive in this system. I think Burks offers a decently high ceiling with a solid floor for a rookie. Apparently, so do others, as he’s got the top ADP of the rookie WRs (WR33, #78 overall in Half PPR). At that ADP he’s a late 7th Rounder and I think that’s a fair price to pay for his upside, which could be difference-making. Sign me up.
  2. Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. I’m not lumping these 2 together because they were college teammates at OSU. I’m doing it because after Burks, I think they offer the best combo of talent, opportunity, and landing spot. Both should see plenty of playing time right away, and both are on offenses that should throw a decent amount. In the case of Olave, I love the smoothness of his game (his size, speed, and route-running reminds me a little of Chris Godwin, who had a tremendous season with Jameis Winston in 2019) and he might be the most NFL-ready of the rookies. I also like his opportunity. Michael Thomas’s health is hard to trust, Jarvis Landry is more like a tight end at this stage of his career, and the rest of the receiver/TE room is ho-hum. I don’t expect Olave to be an automatic start, but he should have good flex appeal and the same is true for Wilson, who also has plenty of game and steps in alongside Elijah Moore and Corey Davis in what should be an improved offense. I don’t know what to expect from Zach Wilson, but the Jets figure once again be playing a lot of catch-up. Olave’s ADP is 105, while Wilson’s is 85. I’m more comfortable with Olave in Round 10 than Wilson in Round 8, but I think both will see plenty of targets and are good upside picks as your 3rd or ideally 4th receiver. 
  3. Skyy Moore. Patrick Mahomes. That’s who’ll be throwing balls to Skyy Moore, and Tyreek Hill is gone. I could probably stop there. The Chiefs did bring in JuJu and MVS, and Travis Kelce figures to lead the team in targets. But Moore is a polished route runner with lots of experience working out of the slot and I can see him carving out a nice role on this great and creative offense, sooner rather than later. Moore’s current ADP of 164 makes him a guy you can take in the late rounds as your 4th or 5th WR, and I love the dart throw on him at that price.
  4. Christian Watson. Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams. See above. Similar to KC, the Packers traded away their top wideout, drafted a WR in Round 2, and there’s a huge target share up for grabs in an elite passing offense. The WR room in Green Bay is crowded right now but none of the names are awe-inspiring. Aaron Jones might lead this team in targets. Watson has a rare size-speed combo, but he’s a little raw and didn’t face top competition in college. So this could take time and I like him more as a second half of the season guy. Still, the Packers moved up to get him at the top of Round 2 and he’s got a high ceiling. And Rodgers has a history fo turning second round picks into fantasy studs. At a current ADP of 147, Watson will only cost you a 12th or 13th Round pick – I’m in on that upside value play all day.
  5. Jameson Williams. If Williams hadn’t torn his ACL in January, he likely would’ve been the first receiver taken in April. I don’t know if he’ll be ready when the season starts, but once he’s 100%, he should have a great opportunity in the passing game alongside St. Brown, Hockenson and Swift. The Detroit defense should be improved, but I still expect them to need to throw a lot, and Williams is a home run hitter. Say what you want about Jared Goff, but he’s made some WRs very worthwhile in fantasy, including St. Brown last season. I think Williams is a nice stash in the later rounds, and like Watson, could really help fantasy managers in the latter part of the season. 
  6. Drake London. A quick word on London, the first WR taken in the draft. Yes, the WR group in Atlanta is very weak. But I’m worried about this offense struggling in its first year post-Matt Ryan. I expect inconsistent QB play and a lot of low scoring efforts. I like the talent and especially his size, but I’m not looking to have many shares of London. 
  7. Waiver Wire Watch. Any prominent rookie receiver who doesn’t get taken in your fantasy draft should be on your waivers watchlist, together with those who get dropped early by impatient owners. I’d especially keep my eye on David Bell (Cle), Alec Pierce (Ind),  George Pickens (Pit), and John Metchie, III (Hou). I think the talent-opportunity-landing spot combo for all of them is good, and that they all fit nicely in their new offense. I’m fine with taking a flier on these players towards the end of the draft. Any of them could be this year’s St. Brown.
Is the Skyy the limit for Moore in KC? We’ll see

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913 Responses to Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

  1. stangerx says:

    It’s a goood day. Cardiologist today acted like the Soup Nazi and said “No Pacemaker for You.” Also told me no longer have to wear the portable defibrillator vest I’ve had on for like six months. That thing is a pain in the ass.

  2. CavalierKong says:

    The Brewers and Cards have played three series so far this year. All were 4 game sets, and all three series have had the exact same results. The Brewers win game 1, the Cardinals win games 2 and 3, the Brewers win game 4.

    Not exactly mind blowing, but an interesting oddity.

  3. Tim Knight says:

    On a negative note do any of you find the NFLN getting stale and boring? They talk about the same stuff over and over, covering a handful of teams and players, and the new pundits don’t really know what’s going on and just agree with the more vet commentators.

    Inside the NFL was better even if prehistoric to how shows are done today. They talked football and the league, discussed the games. Now the NFLN is about bright lights and very little depth off the entire league.

    • mf13ss says:

      I think the NFLN has always been stale and boring… well, other than when I see Collen Wolfe!!!

      Truth is, the NFLN is just another branch of the MSM. What does that mean? They cater to large markets… mainly NY, CA, Tom Brady… and then generally crap on the smaller market teams [unless there is a media darling on a given team (see Mahomes or the like)] or overtalk about a recent event/tragedy/soap opera.

      I’m right there with ya, Tim.

  4. Krishna says:

    Mrs K and I always wondered how people got through the medical system/process with blind trust and survived in critical situations….smh…

    We witnessed it……

  5. manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger : awesome news , 👍very happy for your awesome recovery 🍻

  6. mf13ss says:

    Stanger,

    GRAND NEWS, Brother!!! I’m happy for ya, man!!!

  7. mf13ss says:

    I agree with our Aussie Brother uwantwat… I’d sign Reuben Foster…

  8. CavalierKong says:

    I’m on episode 2 and so far my biggest takeaway is I really hate child Leia. Is it a Star Wars requirement that all child actors they cast must suck?

  9. CavalierKong says:

    Must be nice to have a say in your own discipline, lol.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-reacts-to-deshaun-watson-discipline-news/ar-AAYN5wI?li=BBnbfcL

    According to CBS Sports insider Josina Anderson, the NFL, NFL Players Association and Watson’s advisors were unable to reach an agreement on how many games he should be suspended.

    “I’m told there’ve been recent attempts by the NFL, the NFLPA and Deshaun Watson’s advisors to negotiate a discipline settlement,” Anderson reported on Twitter. “However talks involving a potential number of games missed “fell apart” not being on the same page. As of now, process moves forward, per league sources.”

  10. CavalierKong says:

    Vader to Reva: I’m going to kill you for failing and Kenobi escaping.
    Reva: I let him escape and put a tracker on him so he’ll lead us to the network.
    Vader: I underestimated you.
    Other guy: But, lord, the base was destroyed.
    Reva interjecting: Kenobi is all that matters.
    Kong: Then why the f^ck did you let him escape?!

    Kong strikes Reva down with lightsaber for having such a dumb line and uses force to replace child Leia actress with the child actress from The Haunting of Hill House.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I guess I should have warned – minor spoilers

    • Rockphin says:

      LOL man, what do you expect. Its from DISNEY! They spoiled the product as soon as they got their dirty hands on it.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Disney seems to handle Marvel really well, but I think that is because they keep their hands off of it and let Feige run it.

        The last good Star Wars was Rogue One before Disney bought it.

  11. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Great news man! Just about all the way back now. Glad to hear!

  12. Mike E. says:

    Rock – I think you’ll like it (Firemane series). I totally understand what you mean about creating a whole new world, but it’s well done. I almost feel as if it’s like an alternate universe with almost the same cast of characters and storyline somewhere else, but I don’t mind it because it’s good. I envy you at how voraciously you’re reading, I don’t have time to anymore, I barely have time to eat my meal at work let alone read. I can make time at home but with nice weather, hard to do and miss out on summer.

  13. CavalierKong says:

    I type ‘news’ in the search bar. The first three things to come up…

    1: Supreme Court gives states green light to ban abortion, overturning Roe vs Wade…
    2: Supreme Court overturns Roe vs Wade, eliminating constitutional right…
    3: Taylor Swift releases emotional new song…

    I don’t know what those first two things are about, but I can’t wait to check out Taylor Swift’s new song!

    • Mike E. says:

      The first two are a big mistake. Don’t get it at all.

      • CavalierKong says:

        We’re in the midst of technological advancement and societal regression. Make America the 50s again! – with ‘puters and stuff.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        The majority of the court are Constitutionalist. Their reasoning was sound. Now it’s up to the people in each state to decide. If someone doesn’t like how their state votes, they are free to move to a different state that suits them better.

    • steveccnv says:

      If the narrative about the stereotype of the parties is true, then each parties stance on abortion is backwards

      Something in there doesn’t make sense

    • steveccnv says:

      I think this decision is a big FU to the dems, who have done nothing but given FUs to the right the past 2 years

      The pipeline EO on day one started us on this inflation spiral

  14. Mike E. says:

    Hate the Yankees, but holy f*ck are they an exciting team to watch! They find a different guy to win with on a regular basis. They are on FIRE!!!

  15. steveccnv says:

    Tua’s best pro game vs AZ

    Tua’s final stats — 20-for-28 for 248 yards with two touchdowns, no interceptions along with three rushing attempts for 27 yards — weren’t overwhelming, but it was his ability to come up with clutch throws or runs that stood out.

    Stats weren’t great, but pretty good, it’s what he did when the game was on the line though, that stood out

    In this game Tua bit as a pup, giving hope, that he can have an Alabama Tua type of an NFL career

    He was also good against Atl and Jax, but lost, because he didn’t get much help, especially from the D

    The D doesn’t just help him win games, they also lose them

  16. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – I understand the states have the right to do as they please, but why bother to overturn the Roe v Wade? What was the point?

    • Rockphin says:

      Because Roe v wade took the power away from the state.

      • Mike E. says:

        I still think that’s a mistake. I think there should be limits as to how long a pregnancy can be aborted, but making it outright illegal is crazy.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I think when you’re looking to overturn a case 50+ years old that outlines a subject such as fundamental body rights for the majority of our society (it’s actually about right to privacy, but I’m not getting in the weeds here), it becomes more than just ‘was the reasoning fundamentally sound for a constitutionalist?’

  17. Rockphin says:

    That’s what we get when we put 7 out of 9 Catholics on the court. 22% of the US is Catholic. 78% of the court is. That is not a fair representation. Get ready for religion to make it’s way into the state rather than separation of church and state.

  18. Rockphin says:

    Mike I agree, but as Phelon said if you don’t like it move….(BS fucking statement, If YOU don’t like it move out of the US too?)

    • Mike E. says:

      Well, Springsteen threatened to move out of the US if Trump was elected, but did he follow through? lol

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I said they could move to another state not out of the US. For example I won’t live or do business in California or New York because I don’t agree with their politics. And I don’t believe their politics should be forced on other states. As for me moving out of the US, you can fuck right off.

      • Rockphin says:

        as can you!

      • stangerx says:

        At first I thought would retire to San Diego. Those Sea Lions are really cool. But eventually ended up in the East Coast’s San Diego. The politics of where I live doesn’t matter to me much, lived in both conservative and liberal places. And one of the liberal ones was Arlington in NOVA. Real Democrat stronghold.

  19. Mike E. says:

    Steve – If the GOP is going to stand firm against abortion, I can almost assure you, it will not help them in 2024. I think there’s a much smaller percentage of Americans who are against abortions, and even in the GOP, I bet it’s less than half. You say a big FU to the Dems? I say it ends up a big FU to themselves in the long run. Republicans keep pimping religion and anti abortion stances while America is moving away from both of those, and not just the Democratic party.

  20. Rockphin says:

    What is the Pope’s opinion?

  21. Mike E. says:

    Kong – As far as I’m concerned, I couldn’t care less if Springsteen went to the moon. Never been a fan of his, and politically, well, I wish he’d keep singing bad rather than speak nonsense.

  22. Mike E. says:

    The Ape side? Hirsute side?

  23. CavalierKong says:

    I honestly dont know what most actors/ actresses political stances are because i dont care. I dont define people that way unless it’s how they define themselves

  24. Tim Knight says:

    The Dolphins did work out Reuben Foster back in April but he was not offered a contract.

  25. Ken says:

    Good news Stanger. You will be primed and ready for Stanger fest in October

    • stangerx says:

      Thanks. Should be ready to be Stanger at The Fest at least. That hootenanny is bigger than any one person.

  26. Wyoming85 says:

    Well there’s this!

    • steveccnv says:

      In general Tua struggles, when those around him struggle all at once by unit, if the OL has a leak, but the receivers get open he’ll find them, if the OL let’s him stand back there he’ll find someone, but when no one is open and he doesn’t have time to throw he struggles as expected

      I expect him to have a great year, because the dual breakdowns shouldn’t happen too often

      He still has some growing to do in areas, but he doesn’t have to be great at everything, just be great at his niche

  27. Rockphin says:

    Mom told him to go play outside. LOL

    • Mike E. says:

      LOL – I spent my entire childhood outside as long as it wasn’t too cold. Our moms would call down from the window and tell us to come up. Always playing sports. That’s how it works when you live in the city, and you have hundreds of kids to play with.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Didnt have that many kids, but we were always playing sports- till the lights came on during the week, and till whenever on weekends and summer vacation.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Football in the street when it was just the kids from our street. Football, baseball and basketball at the park if we could get a couple of the other streets kids involved.

  28. Tim Knight says:

    As if we didn’t already have enough dissension in this country.

  29. pheloniusphish says:

    Cav – You asked why overturn a 50 year old precedent? In 1954 the USSC struck down Plessy v. Ferguson which had been precedent since 1896. Plessy v. Ferguson made segregation the law of the land. Sometimes precedent was poorly reasoned, sometimes it’s just wrong.

    • CavalierKong says:

      One example is an action to remove restrictions on classes of people as our society changed to reflect those views. It was a necessary step in the right direction for civil rights.

      The other doesn’t reflect a changing of our society or civil rights. IMO most would argue it’s a step in the other direction. The lines have been drawn on this battle for decades. If the majority of our country was up in arms about abortion and there was societal movement in that direction, then overturning a 50 year old case to change things would be right, even if some feel it is wrong. That isn’t what is happening here IMO.

      I understand the concept of giving the choice to the states over the feds, and being more libertarian at my core, I generally agree with less governmental regs. I just don’t agree in this case. I think a woman’s right to control her body is fundamental and should be across the board to the same degree as a person’s right to bear arms. I also think if men had babies this wouldn’t even be an issue, lol.

  30. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike – Support for abortion is more nuanced than the majority support it.

    https://images.mktw.net/im-536682?width=700&size=1.3250517598343685

    • Mike E. says:

      I agree, and I myself am against late term abortion. That being said, I see no reason to overturn the legality of abortion itself. I’m sure each state could put limits on their abortion laws without it being illegal. That’s probably the way it is now. New York you could probably kill a birthed child, I mean they’re advertising abortion on TV on their major networks during news broadcasts. It’s like “Hey, come to NY and get an abortion” like a guy yelling “Hot dogs!” at a baseball game.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I fall in the same place as you, but they didn’t rule that it was illegal. Just that it was up to the states to decide. And the reason it was in front of them was because absolute abortion supporters sued the state when they tried to put limitations on abortion. Self-inflicted wounds.

  31. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ ready to be Stanger – You’ll always be Stanger, ready or not. 🙂

  32. pheloniusphish says:

    Should we discuss the Supremes overturning New York’s concealed carry gun law next?

    • stangerx says:

      I was thinking about that and how it came in combination with Roe being overturned. This new conservative court has declared it is an activist one. Willing to overturn standing precedents as you talked about above. And with a 6-3 majority the conservatives can do that. Don’t even have to worry about Chief Judge Roberts saying “slow down” any more.

      And these guys probably hated the “activist” Warren Court to its core. But you make big changes and you are an activist, just like they were.

    • Rockphin says:

      why not? This is the most fucked up iteration of the court in my lifetime. Give the power back to the states! umm, no! Take that power away from the states!

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Wrong country, Rock. The Constitution was designed to prohibit just that. We are a Federal Democracy – “Federal democracies divide power along the lines of a central authority and smaller units of government. In a federal system, units such as states and provinces are not dependents of the national government. Although they are subordinate to the central government, they exist independently of it and often have authority upon which the central authority may not encroach. Large countries such as the United States, Australia, Canada and Brazil use federal systems.”

  33. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – I guess it’s a technicality. What was once legal is now up to the states, so if you live in a state where it’s illegal, well you’re fucked. If you live where it’s legal then it’s business as usual.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      True, but you can always go over the state line to where it’s legal. Kinda like you guys who buy pot when you’re somewhere that you can. And I suspect that there will be more suits filed by both sides that will eventually set the parameters of what states can do. Lawyers gotta eat.

      • Mike E. says:

        I like to get my weed from Russia. lol

      • Ken says:

        Several states are going to make it illegal to go have an abortion in a state where it is legal

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Ken – Probably. See the graphic below.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Ken, so if states do that they are basically infringing on individual rights for women to freely choose where to get better medical care. An example is like stopping many people who have an illness and the means to go to states that have better doctors and hospitals. So now crossing state borders would be criminal. What is this freedom that everyone likes to champion? Seems to me we’re becoming less free and more controlled.

  34. stangerx says:

    Has some comedy mixed in but Ron Johnson getting called out for the fake phone call is priceless. He even still keeps it going for a while.

    • Mike E. says:

      If I only had the video of the strings breaking from the marionette users controlling Biden when he fell on his bike, it would be much funnier than this. As soon as I saw Rachel Maddow I gagged.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I like Biden’s cheat cards. Can’t make it up.

      • stangerx says:

        I didn’t cut the vid and put her in, but it was a good set-up for those not following. The “no your not I can see your phone” cracked me up.

      • Mike E. says:

        Stanger – Yeah, because nothing could be better than talking to a reporter from CNN or MSNBC if you’re a conservative because you know they will be fair. Funny like that? Sorry, don’t see the humor in this because I can’t stand those channels and their bias, just like I can’t stand Fox News and theirs, even if occasionally I throw on Fox News to see different viewpoints, even if they’re insane. lol

      • stangerx says:

        Whichever news channel you prefer, when Ron Johnson’s office tries to send fake electoral ballots to Pence on Jan 6…. the press should be asking about it. It’s their job.

  35. pheloniusphish says:

    Here’s a good graphic on where the states stand on abortion.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-571231?width=927&height=618

  36. Ken says:

    Missouri is planning to make a law that it will be illegal to have an abortion of a child conceived in Missouri. So no one better plan a romantic get away to Missouri

    • Mike E. says:

      Silly question, but how can they know for sure where the child was conceived? Asking for a friend

      • Ken says:

        That was exactly the commentary made by the panelists I was watching. But that won’t get in the way of the state legislature

      • Mike E. says:

        Well, that’s one reason why they shouldn’t have flipped Roe v Wade. There will be more for sure.

      • Ken says:

        Also as the court premised it’s opinion on that there is no right to privacy I suppose Missouri can monitor what goes on in the bedroom

      • steveccnv says:

        It’s their way of saying, if you’re from MO and have an abortion out of state, we’re watching you

      • Tim Knight says:

        That shows you how absurd some people are. So maybe there should be a law in Missouri that you must only get healthcare in Missouri because that is where you got sick. So politicians and wealthy people of that state can’t go anywhere else because it happened in the great state of Mizzou.

    • CavalierKong says:

      So not just if you live there, but conceive there? Will women have to cover their ankles while in Missouri as well? That is crazy.

  37. stangerx says:

    Phelon — don’t know if there is vid of it, but here are the full instrictions from Biden’s speech (assume the actual speech was not included.
    —————————————————
    The full list of the instructions reads:

    “YOU enter the Roosevelt Room and say hello to participants.”
    “YOU take YOUR seat. ”
    “Press enters.”
    “YOU give brief comments […]” This note was partially blocked by Biden’s finger.
    “Press departs.”
    “YOU ask Liz Shuler, President, AFL-CIO, a question. Note: Liz is joining virtually.”
    “YOU thank participants.”
    “YOU depart.”

    • Mike E. says:

      Are these things too difficult for the man who runs the country to remember without looking at a cheat sheet? It’s disturbing to me

  38. steveccnv says:

    They (SCOTUS) did it for the children

  39. Wyoming85 says:

    Another day?

  40. steveccnv says:

    Lots of laws out there, that people from both sides don’t approve of, some very far to the left, like a few new ones in NY, and CA

  41. Wyoming85 says:

    Looks like it’s riot season again!

    • Mike E. says:

      No problem injuring or killing adults (especially police), just make sure abortion is legal. Wonderful . . .

    • Tim Knight says:

      Well we all knew this was coming. That’s the new way of dealing with issues.

      • steveccnv says:

        No that’s always how the left has dealt with things they don’t like

        They make it out to be thugs, but these events are sanctioned by the DNC

      • Tim Knight says:

        Have the bombings of abortion clinics and attacks on the doctors or anyone else in the building who perform them a left wing thing and sanctioned by the DNC?

        Sometimes you have to take off the partisan hat. Today is not a good day for our country.

      • steveccnv says:

        It’s not a good day, because too many people can’t cope, when they don’t get their way

        We’ve developed too many soft or entitled people

        15 yr old girls protesting, seriously? WTF do they know about abortion? Only what some have told them

    • Ken says:

      There is no rioting going on right now. By all reports the protest at SCOTUS currently going on has been peaceful.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It will get worse.

      • Ken says:

        Unlikely imo. But I don’t have a crystal ball. Different demographics involved

      • stangerx says:

        All the other pro-choices since the draft of the opinion came out have been peaceful, but guess you never know. All we have right now is that law enforcement is ready.

      • steveccnv says:

        Peaceful protestor isn’t in the playbook

      • stangerx says:

        These are mainly soccer Moms Steve. DC central has a small urban core of like 600k but the other 2 mil plus in the Washington area live in the burbs.

  42. steveccnv says:

    RBG says, what do you think of me now

    • CavalierKong says:

      My wife and I have been debating how much of this is her fault, lol. I said at the time before her death, she made a huge mistake not stepping down.

      • stangerx says:

        She died at 87 after multiple serious health scares. Am sure it was her ego, but wasn’t playing for her team either.

      • Ken says:

        Reportedly she anticipated Hillary winning in 2016 and wanted to symbolically step down and have another female justice appointed by the first female President. Oops

      • CavalierKong says:

        That’s probably exactly it, Ken. Oops is right, lol.

  43. Tim Knight says:

    I have not seen Piggy on here in a few. I hope all is good with him.

  44. stangerx says:

    “Once you get the defense on their heels, then you can get them in the air, you can dish it out and after talking to coach, you can tell his excitement in bringing this new zone scheme into Miami.

    “That is part of the reason I’m here is to be part of that building block of starting a great zone scheme.”
    — Connor Williams

    Full profile on Williams from Barry Jackson (no paywall)
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/miami-dolphins-getting-connor-williams-172029907.html

    • Tim Knight says:

      The OL better being doing a lot of running and stamina workouts prior to TC because they’re going to be moving a lot.

  45. Ken says:

    stangerx says:
    June 24, 2022 at 2:50 pm (Edit)
    Thanks. Should be ready to be Stanger at The Fest at least. That hootenanny is bigger than any one person.
    ——————-
    Nope. This year it is Stanger Fest

  46. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, which individual rights do you believe in?

    I believe in being entitled to liberty in this country. Is that not what we at least try to stand for?

    • Ken says:

      SCOTUS doesn’t believe in the right to privacy. That is officially no longer recognized as a right which to me is the most dangerous impact of the decision

    • Tim Knight says:

      Wire tappings are the result of a government that is too big.

    • steveccnv says:

      speech is paramount, but thats been under attack by the left, religion I guess is important especially if we don’t have it, press is BS, assembly is also been BS lately, and the right to petition the government also paramount see Taiwan

      • Tim Knight says:

        Religious dogma tries to suppress individuality every day. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. There’s always some dictator type people popping up and telling others how it should be.

  47. Mike E. says:

    Kong with the morbid truth. Wanna meet y’all while you’re still alive you old fuckers!!! I hear ya, because ya never know

  48. stangerx says:

    “Armstead’s inclusion here is particularly notable because he just signed a new contract as a free agent this offseason after nine stellar years with the New Orleans Saints. He has earned pass-blocking grades of 80.0 or better in every season since 2015 and is a huge improvement on the left side of the Dolphins’ line, which has been a revolving door over the past few years.

    Armstead has also graded out well as an outside-zone run blocker, earning an 82.8 grade on such plays over his career, making him a good fit in new head coach Mike McDaniel’s offense. We’ve seen tackles play at an elite level well into their 30s, and if Armstead can maintain his health, this new deal could look like a huge bargain in hindsight.”

    — PFF’s Brad Spielberger on why he ranked Armstead’s contract the 10th best in the NFL.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Durability is the only knock on him.

    • steveccnv says:

      I wasn’t paying him 20m, like people were saying he was going to get, but given the situation I think 15m is a good contract for the team

      Alternatively we could’ve not signed him, and this OL would’ve been another disaster, so 15m we had to do it

  49. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, our country has been becoming more authoritarian for more than two years. The people keep voting for it.

    • steveccnv says:

      The people vote how they will, it’s the elected that don’t do what they say they’re going to do that gets me

      I agree though there’s been forms of authoritarianism for quite a while, but nothing more than since March 2020

      • Tim Knight says:

        “The Draft” as a mandatory enrollment of individuals into the armed forces and sent to fight foreign political wars regardless of ones opinion, is about as authoritarian as it can get.

  50. stangerx says:

    “On every social media account I own, I got death threats on. I just feel like a lot of people overreacted for no reason. They really didn’t see what I said. A lot of people are just acting off emotion.”

    — Tyreek on what happened after he said Tua was a more accurate passer than Mahomes.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I posted about this yesterday. People are fucked up. That’s why I expect really bad days ahead after the abortion ruling.

  51. naplesfan2010 says:

    So are they going to let states choose if they want slavery there now?

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s my issue with majority rule. We live in a land of laws. We’re trying to fuck it up the best we can. Both sides by the way Red and Blue.

    • Rockphin says:

      Well the same court just ruled that states can’t impose their own laws when it comes to gun control

  52. Krishna says:

    It’s always the “lefts” that are the problem….lmfao. So tired of hearing the tribal/biased comments. You are part of the problem and you can’t even see it…lol.

  53. Rockphin says:

    Isn’t it Friday?

    GET ON YOUR BIKES AND RIDE

  54. Tim Knight says:

    Maybe just maybe we start to look at each other than left or right. That seems kind of limited and archaic. Yes… I only think like this as I make love to my notion and walk the party plank. Come on WTF?!!! It’s becoming absurd.

  55. Wyoming85 says:

    Fitting!

  56. Mike E. says:

    Tim – I was just saying what you said at 6:26PM to a friend of mine. He put up something about the abortion ruling on FB and I liked his post, and made a statement agreeing with his feelings on it. He typed back in all caps WE FINALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING etc etc etc. I told him we probably agree on a whole lot more things, but we both can’t get past those lines drawn in the sand, and that’s the obstacle a lot of people face.

  57. Tim Knight says:

    Instead of music here’s a public message.

  58. pheloniusphish says:

    Put it in the wrong place

  59. Wyoming85 says:

    OK

  60. pheloniusphish says:

    Wyo has a theme

  61. pheloniusphish says:

    Little Cindy Who getting in on the action

  62. manitobafinfan says:

  63. manitobafinfan says:

    The blog …. 🤡

  64. manitobafinfan says:

    The world…. 🤷‍♂️

    https://images.app.goo.gl/SGdiZrFZ3gPkdfKu6

  65. manitobafinfan says:

    Let’s try this again

  66. Wyoming85 says:

    If I had a theme!

  67. pheloniusphish says:

    Interesting…

  68. pheloniusphish says:

    Weird…can’t post directly from YouTube

  69. Krishna says:

    I’ve been trying to post Rolling Stones Miss you

  70. mf13ss says:

    As the sun begins to set in the East right now, we’re going to see REAL riots and insurrections (see the summer of 2020). Pray that none of our SCOTUS judges get killed overnight or over the weekend, as almost happened a couple of weeks ago with Justice Kavanaugh.

    If the radical left won’t allow for democracy (SCOTUS kicked it back to the states for the PEOPLE to decide!), they don’t deserve democracy. What’s more, there are many elected dems who made their cases to be relocated to Guantanamo Bay today. We all know the usual suspects (Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, Maxine Watters, etc), and they truly hate democracy… yet they claim to be “Democrats”. SMMFH 😡

    Fucking crybabies, rioters, killers, arsonists, REAL insurrectionists, and traitors when they don’t get their way on any one given issue.

    Ya win some, ya lose some… stop acting like fucking totalitarians, leftists. 😡

    • Krishna says:

      Omfg….from the music producer on Friday tunes…I an fucking clueless…lol

      • mf13ss says:

        You clearly didn’t read the ruling from SCOTUS today, did ya? STOP FUCKING WATCHING your MSM BS, my guy! NOBODY should be up in arms about this ruling!

      • mf13ss says:

        We ALL have a say in our states! That’s called DEMOCRACY!

      • mf13ss says:

        You act as though SCOTUS just banned abortion, nationwide… ANYTHING but the case!

      • Krishna says:

        You clearly don’t know the moment…lol

        I have tried at least 5x Rolling Stones Miss You and it seems to crash….

        ….let’s start there

  71. Tim Knight says:

    M13, both sides have engaged in behavior outside of what a civilized society would prefer.

    • mf13ss says:

      Are you serious, Clark? 😉
      You know I agree with ya on that, man.

      Today’s ruling from SCOTUS is a WIN for DEMOCRACY.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No it’s not. It’s a loss for individual freedom. You no longer own yourself. The State does. That’s communism and dictatorship. The elite decide what is and what should never be. You watch… there will be the melding of ideologies before you know it and your ilk will be a part of it.

  72. manitobafinfan says:

    Krishna…

  73. manitobafinfan says:

  74. manitobafinfan says:

    Oops forgot to hit copy 🫣

  75. mf13ss says:

    I’ve said my piece on the landmark SCOTUS ruling today, and why dems should embrace the decision… it’s DEMOCRACY in action, and dems should embrace DEMOCRACY. There’s no need for me to explain any further, nor do I want to engage any further.

    Like I said, ya win some, ya lose some. Pray our country doesn’t erupt in chaos again as it did in the summer of 2020.

  76. Ken says:

    So a ruling that says there is no right to privacy is a win for democracy? Interesting

    • mf13ss says:

      That was a precedence that was falsely built upon… even RBG had stated that Roe was built on a poor foundation and was prone to be overturned. And as Steve eluded to, what about the Patriot Act?

      So now that Roe has been overturned, does the Patriot Act get overturned in the name of ‘privacy’? LOL, right…

      • Ken says:

        If there was not right to privacy why do we have the 4th amendment? It is because there are penumbral rights. The 4th amendment is clearly premised even though it is not specifically articulated. Penumbral rights is what Roe is premised upon

  77. Krishna says:

    Toba, you’re on fire…and good tunes all around….

  78. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 24, 2022 at 9:41 pm
    No it’s not. It’s a loss for individual freedom. You no longer own yourself. The State does. That’s communism and dictatorship. The elite decide what is and what should never be. You watch… there will be the melding of ideologies before you know it and your ilk will be a part of it.
    ———-
    My “ilk”? Bro, I’m Reformed… meaning, I don’t roll with the ‘old world’ set which dictated precedence and dominated the rest of the world (ie: Catholic, Lutheran, etc).

    We saw the BS as YOU see it… hence “Reformed”.

    Be careful when throwing “your ilk” around… that’s very irresponsible on your part, Bro… and probably why our guy Bookman hasn’t been around lately. Hatred is a powerful emotion, and it blindly alienates its user.

    Not every believer feels the need to control the world, its politics, or a need to judge others. FWIW, I can’t tolerate those types of people either.

    • Krishna says:

      Do you have any mirrors? Lmao….

      Thought we’d get tunes from the music producer, instead we get trash…oh my

      • mf13ss says:

        Dude, we’re good and you KNOW IT! 🙂

        Alright, I’ll give ya a song… just give me a few minutes, man.

  79. Ken says:

    In his concurring opinion, Thomas wrote that the “purported right to abortion is not a form of ‘liberty’ protected by the Due Process Clause.” Accordingly, Thomas continued, “we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,” referring to the landmark decisions that enshrined the right to birth control, struck down laws criminalizing gay sex, and gave same-sex couples the right to marry.

    It is not the majority opinion but this is the danger it creates

  80. manitobafinfan says:

  81. Krishna says:

    Don’t touch my fucking body…EVERYONE should be entitled to that…sorry

  82. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    June 24, 2022 at 10:09 pm
    If there was not right to privacy why do we have the 4th amendment? It is because there are penumbral rights. The 4th amendment is clearly premised even though it is not specifically articulated. Penumbral rights is what Roe is premised upon
    —————
    The question becomes… should Roe be what penumbral rights were based upon? As fragile as it was, as even RBG had admitted?

    • Ken says:

      The penumbral right it was premised upon was the right to privacy which now no longer exists.

      • mf13ss says:

        Welcome to the NWO, my friend. Perhaps this was done today to intentionally destroy privacy, period.

    • Ken says:

      Also penumbral rights were not based upon Roe. Rather the court in Roe found that the Constitution does contain and or contemplate penumbral rights such as the right to privacy

  83. manitobafinfan says:

  84. Tim Knight says:

    Now the ilk I profess is an insult and I don’t believe in what I believe if I have to explain it to people who disagree with me. Hmmm… sound familiar?

    I only believe in liberty with the stuff I dig. The rest is bullshit to me. Enjoy the ride people it’s the only one we know. LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      Dude!!! C’mon… you were asking/looking for a fight with “your ilk”!!!

      Instead of giving you a fight, I merely cautioned ya with your use of the term, as a true friend would do. Don’t play the victim card all of the sudden now.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not a fight, a drop in truly believing in liberty.

  85. mf13ss says:

    Krishna, here ya go, man…

  86. Wyoming85 says:

    Well as titillating as it would be to comment!

    I think I’ll just go to bed!

    See if you can keep from burning it down until the morning????

  87. Ken says:

    mf13ss says:
    June 24, 2022 at 10:19 pm (Edit)
    Welcome to the NWO, my friend. Perhaps this was done today to intentionally destroy privacy, period.
    ——————-
    But yet it is a victory for democracy? As I said, interesting.

    • mf13ss says:

      Hulkster, I don’t trust ANYTHING that’s being done in our country right now. You made me think… perhaps this is ALL a scheme to take away our privacy?

      Yes, on its face, it’s a victory for democracy. However, and with all you’ve stated over the last hour or so… I wonder… is it TRULY?

      I think(?) so, but if it undermines privacy (again, weak foundation by which to build on regarding Roe), this could be a trap.

      • Ken says:

        How is at victory for democracy? A previously constitutional right no longer exists. For the first time in its history SCOTUS abolished a previously recognized constitutional right. 70% of Americans supported Roe vs Wade. The right to privacy is gone. As Justice Thomas said in his concurring opinion he wants to examine all the court’s previous due process precedents. I fail to see the victory for democracy. Rather our democracy has been further eroded today

  88. Tim Knight says:

    M13, you’re a Stars Wars fan. There is nothing more NWO than that. At least you’re ready for it. LOL

  89. mf13ss says:

    Cav Kong!

    Be sure to watch Obi-Wan through to its finale! Part VI is a WINNER!

  90. Krishna says:

    I tried to do Heart’s Barracuda….I have no idea

  91. CavalierKong says:

    Here ya go, my friend

  92. manitobafinfan says:

    Tampa forces game 6 .. good luck OD

  93. manitobafinfan says:

  94. manitobafinfan says:

  95. Tim Knight says:

    This tune in 1976 started a whole new deal.

  96. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Toba

  97. manitobafinfan says:

    Have a good night Tim 🍻

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