Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

by Dave Hartman “The Pigskin Papers”

Olave and Wilson taking their talents to the NFL

Welcome to the second season of Fantasy Football coverage from the Pigskin Papers! Over the next 3 months, we’ll post lots of great (and free) content to help you prepare for fantasy drafts. Bookmark the site and check back often. 

We’re kicking things off with a look at the 2022 rookie class of WRs. Rookie receivers have been a big factor in fantasy the past 2 seasons, and we think that trend will continue. It wasn’t always this way. Let me take you back 19 years, to September 7, 2003. It’s Week 1 of the 2003 NFL season and you can feel the anticipation and excitement, as fantasy players plug in lineups for the first time in 9 months. As always, a few things will go down in Week 1 that take fantasy managers by surprise. Perhaps the biggest one this time around is the astonishing performance of Arizona rookie WR Anquan Boldin. Facing the Lions, Boldin erupts for 10 catches, 217 yards and 2 TDs. This out-of-nowhere, record setting NFL debut leads to an all-out waiver wire stampede, as you might imagine. You see, Boldin isn’t on many rosters in redraft leagues. First off, he’s a rookie, and back then, the expectations for rookie WRs in Year 1 were modest at best. Also, he suffered an ACL tear during college, and ran slow at the combine (4.71). He fell to the 2nd Round and wasn’t even the first WR the Cardinals drafted that year. But his debut wasn’t a fluke. Boldin finished the year with a stat line of 101-1,377-8, on an astounding 165 targets. If it wasn’t for what Randy Moss did 5 years prior (69-1,313-17), it would’ve gone down as the greatest season by a rookie WR in the Super Bowl era. As it was, he set modern-day rookie records for catches and yards. 

For many years, the conventional wisdom was that while RBs could be expected to step in and produce right away, receivers needed time to adjust and Year 3 was the most likely time for a WR breakout. The WR piece of that wisdom has been put to rest. The pro and college games both have evolved significantly in the decades since Moss and Boldin came into the league, and the college ranks are producing more and more pro-ready WRs who can quickly acclimate at the next level. Not only that, these receivers are coming in a wide range of size, speed, athleticism, and skill set combinations, and franchises are finding players that can fill the various receiver roles that the modern NFL game demands. Moss, Boldin, and Odell Beckham, Jr. in 2014 all put up WR1 fantasy campaigns as rookies and that made them outliers for the time. For many years the conventional wisdom mostly held, and fantasy players drafted accordingly.

Again, that was then and this is now, and fantasy managers need to keep adjusting. Justin Jefferson broke Boldin’s rookie yardage record in 2020 (and finished the year as the WR6 in Half PPR), only to see his college teammate Ja’Marr Chase break his mark in 2021, while posting a whopping 18 YPC and 13 TDs and finishing the season as the WR4 in Half PPR. Boldin’s rookie catch record fell last year too, to Miami’s Jaylen Waddle, who caught 104 balls. And it wasn’t just Chase and Waddle who lit it up last season. Over the final 7 weeks, only Cooper Kupp scored more fantasy points among WRs than Detroit rookie (and 4th Round pick) Amon-Ra St. Brown. And over a 6 week stretch in the middle of the season (before he got hurt), 2nd Round pick Elijah Moore of the Jets was a top 5 fantasy WR. Waddle was solid all year and finished as the WR14 in Full PPR. And going back to 2020, rookies CeeDee Lamb and Chase Claypool didn’t have monster seasons like Jefferson did, but both finished just inside the Top 20 in Half PPR.

Jefferson – The poster child for the rookie breakout

For fantasy managers, rostering a breakout rookie receiver can be the difference between making the playoffs and going home. You know what a lot of 2020 league winners had in common? They either took a late flier on Jefferson, or more likely, grabbed him off the waiver wire after he went off in Week 3. And those who ignored the reports that Chase was dropping balls left and right in training camp and drafted him anyway (his ADP was around Round 6) ended up with a top 5 WR at a massive discount.

It’s not just fantasy players who are noticing that receivers can contribute early. So are NFL teams, who are similarly motivated to try to get tremendous value – in their case, the value that a stud receiver on a rookie deal can bring to a franchise. Continuing a trend that shows no sign of slowing down, NFL franchises selected 6 WRs in the first 18 picks of the 2022 NFL Draft. Seven more WRs went in Round 2, plus 4 more in Round 3. For fantasy managers, this gives us a lot of names to think about as we try to unearth the next Chase, Jefferson, Waddle or St. Brown in 2022 redraft leagues. 

Before we start dissecting the 2022 rookies, it’s worth noting that the top guys don’t compare to the top prospects from a year ago. Chase was the highest rated WR prospect to come along in a while, and he, Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith all would’ve been the first WR taken if they were in this class. Still, the 2022 group is talented and deep, with plenty of players who could be relevant – or more – in fantasy this year. As is always the case with rookies, some players will emerge as legit fantasy starters as the season progresses, and when that happens they’ll be waiver wire priority adds who get gobbled up quickly. This is what happened with Moore and St. Brown in 2021. So that’s the first piece of advice: you’ll want to keep a close eye on the rookie receivers early in the season, paying particular attention to these 3 stats that you won’t find in a traditional box score: snap shares, routes run, and target shares. You’ll want to pounce before it’s too late. Our weekly Waiver Wire column will be helpful with this.

So who should fantasy managers target in drafts this summer, and keep on their waiver wire watch list? Let’s approach this strategically. Rookie WRs are hard to project. At the extremes, we can expect a couple of them to be breakout players who you can eventually start with confidence, while others won’t even be rosterable. Most will fall somewhere in the middle and will have their moments, but they’ll be hard to trust on a weekly basis. So let’s identify the factors that’ll help us try to figure out which rookie receivers have the most breakout potential. I think the 3 biggest ones to focus on are (1) talent, (2) target opportunities, and (3) landing spot/situation. This third factor combines QB play, coaching, style and productivity of the offense, and fit. But looking at those sub-factors can be deceiving. Neither St. Brown nor Moore would’ve gotten high marks for landing spot/situation in 2021. But they had this in common – they played on teams that sported a bottom-2 defense, meaning the offense constantly had to chase points. So when looking at landing spot, let’s factor that in as well.

With these criteria in mind, here are my favorite rookie WR targets for 2022 in redraft leagues (note – ADPs listed are current and will change over the summer, and things like injuries, signings and cuts, camp reports and more will have an impact  – so take the ADPs with a grain of salt and I’ll update this column in August):

Treylon Burks – Primed for a big role with the Tennessee Titans
  1. Treylon Burks. The Titans took the Arkansas product with the 18th pick in the Draft, meaning 5 WRs went before him. But for this season, I like him best. Why? Because for me, he does the best job of checking all 3 boxes. A.J. Brown is gone, and Burks is a big, strong, and somewhat explosive target who has some of the same attributes as Brown. He has lots of experience operating from the slot, but the Titans figure to use him in a multitude of ways. What I really like is the opportunity, as he’s likely to have less competition for targets than other rookies. The Titans don’t have a single returning player who caught 40 balls last year. The top 2 receivers figure to be Burks and former Ram Robert Woods, who is also new to the team and is coming off a season-ending ACL tear in November. And finally, I like the landing spot. Yes, the Titans run the ball a lot, but they’re a highly productive offense that scores plenty. Ryan Tannehill is a master at play action, and talented receivers can thrive in this system. I think Burks offers a decently high ceiling with a solid floor for a rookie. Apparently, so do others, as he’s got the top ADP of the rookie WRs (WR33, #78 overall in Half PPR). At that ADP he’s a late 7th Rounder and I think that’s a fair price to pay for his upside, which could be difference-making. Sign me up.
  2. Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. I’m not lumping these 2 together because they were college teammates at OSU. I’m doing it because after Burks, I think they offer the best combo of talent, opportunity, and landing spot. Both should see plenty of playing time right away, and both are on offenses that should throw a decent amount. In the case of Olave, I love the smoothness of his game (his size, speed, and route-running reminds me a little of Chris Godwin, who had a tremendous season with Jameis Winston in 2019) and he might be the most NFL-ready of the rookies. I also like his opportunity. Michael Thomas’s health is hard to trust, Jarvis Landry is more like a tight end at this stage of his career, and the rest of the receiver/TE room is ho-hum. I don’t expect Olave to be an automatic start, but he should have good flex appeal and the same is true for Wilson, who also has plenty of game and steps in alongside Elijah Moore and Corey Davis in what should be an improved offense. I don’t know what to expect from Zach Wilson, but the Jets figure once again be playing a lot of catch-up. Olave’s ADP is 105, while Wilson’s is 85. I’m more comfortable with Olave in Round 10 than Wilson in Round 8, but I think both will see plenty of targets and are good upside picks as your 3rd or ideally 4th receiver. 
  3. Skyy Moore. Patrick Mahomes. That’s who’ll be throwing balls to Skyy Moore, and Tyreek Hill is gone. I could probably stop there. The Chiefs did bring in JuJu and MVS, and Travis Kelce figures to lead the team in targets. But Moore is a polished route runner with lots of experience working out of the slot and I can see him carving out a nice role on this great and creative offense, sooner rather than later. Moore’s current ADP of 164 makes him a guy you can take in the late rounds as your 4th or 5th WR, and I love the dart throw on him at that price.
  4. Christian Watson. Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams. See above. Similar to KC, the Packers traded away their top wideout, drafted a WR in Round 2, and there’s a huge target share up for grabs in an elite passing offense. The WR room in Green Bay is crowded right now but none of the names are awe-inspiring. Aaron Jones might lead this team in targets. Watson has a rare size-speed combo, but he’s a little raw and didn’t face top competition in college. So this could take time and I like him more as a second half of the season guy. Still, the Packers moved up to get him at the top of Round 2 and he’s got a high ceiling. And Rodgers has a history fo turning second round picks into fantasy studs. At a current ADP of 147, Watson will only cost you a 12th or 13th Round pick – I’m in on that upside value play all day.
  5. Jameson Williams. If Williams hadn’t torn his ACL in January, he likely would’ve been the first receiver taken in April. I don’t know if he’ll be ready when the season starts, but once he’s 100%, he should have a great opportunity in the passing game alongside St. Brown, Hockenson and Swift. The Detroit defense should be improved, but I still expect them to need to throw a lot, and Williams is a home run hitter. Say what you want about Jared Goff, but he’s made some WRs very worthwhile in fantasy, including St. Brown last season. I think Williams is a nice stash in the later rounds, and like Watson, could really help fantasy managers in the latter part of the season. 
  6. Drake London. A quick word on London, the first WR taken in the draft. Yes, the WR group in Atlanta is very weak. But I’m worried about this offense struggling in its first year post-Matt Ryan. I expect inconsistent QB play and a lot of low scoring efforts. I like the talent and especially his size, but I’m not looking to have many shares of London. 
  7. Waiver Wire Watch. Any prominent rookie receiver who doesn’t get taken in your fantasy draft should be on your waivers watchlist, together with those who get dropped early by impatient owners. I’d especially keep my eye on David Bell (Cle), Alec Pierce (Ind),  George Pickens (Pit), and John Metchie, III (Hou). I think the talent-opportunity-landing spot combo for all of them is good, and that they all fit nicely in their new offense. I’m fine with taking a flier on these players towards the end of the draft. Any of them could be this year’s St. Brown.
Is the Skyy the limit for Moore in KC? We’ll see

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914 Responses to Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

  1. randydolfan1947 says:

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    I could NOT believe my eyes when I saw that the Avs were favored by 1 and 1/2 goals for tonight’s game in TAMPA!! I just HAD TO DROP A FEW SKINS at THOSE RIDICULOUS ODDS. Guess that puts me up 7 and 1/2 to 2 going into the final period, doesn’t it??
    WELL the OLD DOLFAN will watch the first5-7 minutes of the 3rd period before walking the greyhound tonight. As MANITOBA so accurately put it, I need all the beauty rest I can get.
    Y’all have a great evening and a better tomorrow!!


    • randydolfan1947 says:

      CAV KONG; To all those Denver sportswriters who said “THE STANLEY CUP FINALS HAVE NOW BEEN DECIDED,” I respond . “NOT so fast my friend!” YOU Don’t get to 3 straight Stanley Cup Finals by being a quitter!!
      GOTTA get my beauty rest!

  2. Krishna says:

    Cherelle Griner: I find it unacceptable and I have zero trust in our government right now.

    A U.S. citizen playing basketball on a world stage and our government is ill-prepared to take care of our of own. Wow!

    I wonder if it was an NBA player, ala Kevin Durant or whomever, at the elite level of men’s sports world what the US might have done?

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Maybe she should have not been carrying weed in a foreign country? Zero sympathy.

      • steveccnv says:

        Another cream puff victim

      • steveccnv says:

        Her wife says she has to play overseas, because she can’t make enough in the US, although her network is 17m and her annual salary is 2m

      • Krishna says:

        Yep…such a crime against humanity….lol

        That’s why I won’t go to CR with it.

        Victim? Human rights? Rule-breaker? For shame!!!

        Drink your whiskey, pop your pills, all is good…

        …you have to imbibe the “right” way…lol

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Rules are rules, laws are laws. Don’t want to be in the gulag, don’t break them.

    • steveccnv says:

      We saw how our own was taken care of in Afghanistan, why does she thinks she’s more important, than someone that’s serving in the milutary and didn’t break the law?

    • Rockphin says:

      Oh FFS. Really? SMH

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s was sort of a joke, even Tucker couldn’t keep a straight face when talking about it, but even if the incidents were the same I’d expect different treatment, because we’ve seen it over and over

  3. Mike E. says:

    Krishna says:
    June 20, 2022 at 10:40 pm (Edit)

    Cherelle Griner: I find it unacceptable and I have zero trust in our government right now.
    Was there anything that’s happened in the last 30 years that may have inspired you to have trust in our government? To be fair, Cherelle Griner is at the bottom of my list of things that worry me about our government though. Whatever rules we have regarding weed in our country don’t apply overseas, so when you’re in a different country, if you’re smart, you play by THEIR rules.

    • New Age says:

      Yep, as gas hover at $5/g and inflation is running wild, no one cares about an entitled multi-millionaire bball player who can’t follow basic laws. It’s crazy that only some laws should be enforced and let me tell you which ones and for whom. She should have been smarter and should use some of that money to bribe herself home.

  4. Krishna says:

    Harsh…but I get it

  5. bailbondmike says:

    Biden will probably do what Obama did with Iran. Send the Russians $400 million in cash for the release of a prisoner who broke the law.

  6. bailbondmike says:

    and I learned how to take said branch, bat or club away and beat your ass with it. LOL
    That’s why I always avoided fights. lol

  7. Rockphin says:

    I wonder if you guys feel the same way about Alexander Drueke and Andy Ngoc Huynh as you do about Griner?

  8. steveccnv says:

    This is the kind of antagonistic shit Omar likes to pull

    “The Dolphins need Tagovailoa to become one of the league’s top-10 quarterbacks this season to justify the investment that has been made in the fifth overall pick in the 2020 NFL draft.“

    – Sun Sentinel’s Omar Kelly

    Get over it already, we FDup drafting Tua over Herbert, it’s done and has no bearing on what Tua does in the future

    Doesn’t mean Tua can’t have a better career though

    MM will evaluate Tua all year, if he still feels Tua is his guy, we continue on, if not he has to make a decision, top 10 QB is so arbitrary

    • Rockphin says:


      top 10 in what? Passer rating? QBR? Completion percentage? Red Zone %? Passing yards? First downs? TD’s? He is already top 10 in some of those.

    • steveccnv says:

      Stats aren’t the end all, they’re nice to have, but look at Allen’s stats last year 8th rating 10th ypg, there’s not more than 3 QBs that are better if any

  9. sb7mvp says:

    I guess we’re in that slow part of the season where something benign that Omar said is put forth as worthy of discussion. Can we go back to Brittney Griner and how she’d make a great white house press secretary? She checks all the boxes.

  10. steveccnv says:

    Tua Tagovailoa is apparently the worst QB in the NFL against this specific coverage

    Red 2

    Once the ball moves into the deep red zone (plus-15-yard line), Tampa 2 turns into Red 2 with the safeties and cornerbacks adjusting their technique to account for the short field and reduced throwing lanes.

    “Tagovailoa’s issues with Red-2 are interesting since he found his way onto our list of the best quarterbacks against every type of coverage when he faced red zone defenses. Perhaps there was something about the deeper safeties that threw him off, and the quick-game and RPO concepts just didn’t work as well. The tape shows there that Tagovailoa had a tendency to be erratic with his reads, and clunky with his mechanics. Against Red-2 in 2021, Tagovailoa completed seven of 12 passes for three yards, three air yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, an ANY/A of 5.6, and a passer rating of 69.1.”

    Doldrums of the offseason, and the horror of Tua having little success on 12 of his Red 2 throws for the year

    • CavalierKong says:

      When Tua is in the red zone, on the 12 yard line, playing an east coast team that has either red or silver in their uniform, between 1:38 and 1:53 PM EST, he is 0-1 passing and has the worst QB rating of any QB ever.

      Interestingly, if the same circumstances occur just 30 minutes later, he’s 1-1 with a perfect QB rating. Obviously, McDaniel will know this and will need to game plan accordingly… 🤡

  11. Tim Knight says:

    Omar continues to say things that make him look like he’s on the first day of his job. It’s as if he’s learned nothing.

    • steveccnv says:

      Content matters little to some these days, clicks matter more

      When the cheats owned the division did you watch their games?

    • Tim Knight says:

      So what happens if Tua is say only the 15th top passer based on whatever. Do we release him? Then what if he is the 8th top passer on a new team the following year. Does the narrative then change to the Dolphins gave up on him too soon?

  12. Tim Knight says:

    PFF ranks Dolphins’ DC Josh Boyer as the 5th best DC in the NFL 🔥

  13. Tim Knight says:

    I just came across this on Facebook.
    Dan Marino was not sacked once between week 5 of 1988 through week 7 of 1989. 19 straight starts without be sacked.

    That’s crazy!

  14. CavalierKong says:

    “Today I announce that all cases against Deshaun Watson, with the exception of four, have settled,” plaintiffs attorney Tony Buzbee said in a statement. “We are working through the paperwork related to those settlements. Once we have done so, those particular cases will be dismissed. The terms and amounts of the settlements are confidential. We won’t comment further on the settlements or those cases.”

  15. Tim Knight says:

    The first time Marino was sacked in a season 20 or more times was in 1991 at 27. The most times he was sacked in a season was 28 in 1992.

  16. Tim Knight says:

    Dan Marino owns the NFL record for consecutive games and consecutive passes without a sack, and no other quarterback before or since has ever even been in the same ballpark. Marino got sacked on September 25, 1988 in Indianapolis. He then played 19 consecutive games without getting sacked.

  17. CavalierKong says:

    Looks like you guys got it sorted, but I already had the game logs pulled up, so I’ll post them anyway.

    Pretty amazing, especially considering the era.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It is kind of unbelievable because it’s so insane. LOL

    • steveccnv says:

      In 1988 Joe Klecko played for Indy, but had 0 sacks, Gastineau last played for jets in 1988 and had 7 sacks

      Seems appropriate Marino’s record came after these 2 great pass rushers faded

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m sure that helped. But a good OL, quick release, quick feet and pocket presence was the key for Dan. He was only sacked 270 times in his career on 8,358 pass attempts. That’s only being sacked every 31 pass attempts. That’s crazy.

  18. Mike E. says:

    Ken – if Griner had weed on her in a foreign country, especially Russia, she’s an idiot, and basically forfeited her rights doing that. O won’t shed a tear for her. Of it was acted on her, that’s different, but haven’t seen anything to indicate that’s what happened

    • Ken says:

      I thought I remember there was a denial right after her arrest was announced. I agree that if she did that then that is on her. I also believe her continued detention is about politics as opposed to conformity with the Russian penal system

  19. mf13ss says:

    Tuesday Afternoon Trivia

    At this moment, there are exactly 50 receivers who have achieved 10,000 or more receiving yards in their career. Among them, only 4 players have played for our Miami Dolphins at some point in their careers.


  20. mf13ss says:

    Gronk retires (again)…

  21. bailbondmike says:

    Duper and Clayton played, I believe, their whole careers with us but I don’t think either had over 10000.

    It has to be some who were with us a just a few years.

    My first 2 guesses are Brandon Marshall and Irving Fryar. Maybe Chambers.

    This is tough. That, or I am brain farting.

  22. mf13ss says:

    Tuesday Afternoon Trivia

    At this moment, there are exactly 50 receivers who have achieved 10,000 or more receiving yards in their career. Among them, only 4 players have played for our Miami Dolphins at some point in their careers.


    CavKong got Brandon Marshall and Irving Fryar.
    2 more to go!

  23. bailbondmike says:

    Minnesota guy? Was that Chris Carter?

  24. bailbondmike says:

    OJ Mcduffie’s career got shortened so don’t think it is him.

    Nat Moore was from a different era, sort of, so don’t think it is him.

  25. mf13ss says:

    Tuesday Afternoon Trivia

    At this moment, there are exactly 50 receivers who have achieved 10,000 or more receiving yards in their career. Among them, only 4 players have played for our Miami Dolphins at some point in their careers.


    Cris Carter: BBMike/Stanger
    Brandon Marhsall: CavKong
    Irving Fryar: CavKong

  26. stangerx says:

    From M13’s quiz it sounds like the Mark Brothers won’t be going to Canton.

  27. bailbondmike says:

    I am clueless on #4

  28. mf13ss says:

    Hint 1 on #4: former Redskin

  29. mf13ss says:

    LOL @ CavKong! I almost added OchoCinco as well, but I looked him up only to realize that he factually didn’t play a single snap for our Phins. I almost added him! 😉

  30. mf13ss says:

    Alright, the 4th guy’s name sounds like Cary Glark…

  31. mf13ss says:

    Cris Carter (13,899 yards, HOF, 8x Pro-Bowl)
    Irving Fryar (12,785 yards, 5x Pro-Bowl, 2x Pro-Bowl as a Phin)
    Brandon Marshall (12,351 yards, 6x Pro-Bowl, 1x Pro-Bowl as a Phin)
    Gary Clark (10,856 yards, 4x Pro-Bowl)

    CavKong is thus declared the winner!!!

  32. mf13ss says:

    I really enjoy doing these trivia sessions… something I used to do since the SS days! 😀

  33. stangerx says:

    Barely remember Gary Clark, but he was in for just 1995. I caught like 2-3 games a year back then. Didn’t live in the division market (before got NYC and Boston stations). But did read Dolphins Digest… so some of it is fading memory. But not like Clark was a star for us either.

  34. Tim Knight says:

    M13, cool trivia. I would not have gotten Gary Clark, but the other three I would have in time.

  35. stangerx says:

    CBS Sports’ Josh Edwards listed the biggest area of unit need for each AFC team. Here’s what he had for us. And not buying it, think should be OL in a second. LBs have two real strong starters, Van Ginkel is at least average and real good depth to run in and out depending on the situation.
    ““Despite the addition of Terron Armstead, the offensive line remains a work in progress with others stepping into new roles. Linebacker is the bigger issue though. The retention of defensive coordinator Josh Boyer was beneficial for Andrew Van Ginkel, Elandon Roberts and Jerome Baker, but the team has not gotten enough out of that group. Channing Tindall was added on Day 2 of the recent NFL draft, but there is no guarantee that investment pays off. “

    • Tim Knight says:

      He doesn’t know our team that well. Not saying we’re awesome at LB but this is how I would respond.

      Van Ginkel is underrated. He’s improved his game over the years in all roles – pass rush, run support and in coverage.

      Baker is a borderline pro bowler or all-pro. He can do just about anything.

      Roberts plays a significant role as a run defender and brings a physical presence to the defense.

      Phillips who he left out is an OLB more than a DE. As a rookie he got a lot of reps playing the run, dropping in coverage and pass rush. He could become a beast and I think he will.

      Ingram is a seasoned vet who plays the same role as Van Ginkel and Phillips.

      We don’t know Tindall at the NFL level yet but he has everything you look for in a LB.

      • stangerx says:

        Pretty much what I was saying without the details. Baker and Phillips are studs. Van Ginkle is pretty good. 4th spot is a rotational thing.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Stanger that guy missed a real opportunity to spread the Tua hate he’s either fair minded or stupid lol

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — was a list for the whole AFC. So couldn’t put Tua in the headline and get the clicks.

  36. son of a son of a shula says:

    One side of mouth:
    Limit your a/c usage to prevent overwhelming the electric grid

    Other side of mouth:
    Buy an electric car asshole


  37. Rockphin says:

    If our Linebackers are that good why are we so terrible against the run? We e got pretty good DT’s Who rack up a lot of tackles. Where is the weakness of not at LB?

    • Tim Knight says:

      We were not terrible against the run. We ranked 14th. We had a couple of bad games and I don’t consider QBs who can run as part of run defense. It’s usually a broken play and they take off when everyone is covered.

    • steveccnv says:

      Who said there’s a weakness? It might be the weakest link on D, but not on the team

      Because of all of our skill players our OL is just asked to be average

      Our LBs are above avg before we know what Tindall can do

  38. Tim Knight says:

    Because of the additions we added on offense people are sleeping on our defense. Big mistake. 😉

  39. son of a son of a shula says:

    Teams got to run on us and get their run game working way to often and it’s because we punted too much and our offense wasn’t potent like it should be this year. Get the lead and play right into our strength on D playing the pass.

    • Tim Knight says:

      There’s that too. That’s where balance comes in on offense. When you cut down an opponents time of possession and you score points you make them one dimensional. We didn’t do that very often last year.

  40. Tim Knight says:

    Since we’re talking about LBs Brennan Scarlett is being worked at DE now too. At 6-4 260+ he played a lot of LB roles for us last year outside and even inside. It seems we want to see him more Edge now. The depth at all LB positions is rounding out this year.

  41. bailbondmike says:

    Here is a stud ILB to keep an eye on next draft. Jack Campbell, Iowa 6’5 243.

    Combination of size, length, and agility makes him a secure tackler in space. Could succeed as a free blitzer.
    Gives effort between the tackles to find the ball and is willing to take on linemen.
    Combines very good instincts with above-average reaction skills. Almost always finds the ball in traffic.
    Good closing speed with long arms to drag down quarterbacks and running backs.
    Ferocious against the run and very good in coverage, is extremely versatile. Despite his build, he holds up well in traffic and makes a lot of plays by engaging a block, shedding, and pursuing.
    Quick to read run, showing good agility and speed to get past blockers and finish. Experienced in coverage and gets a strong jam on outside receivers.
    Keeps feet moving after initial contact. Jumps inside as a counter to typical rush, but needs to show a larger variety of moves.
    Hips are a bit high, arms are long, and waist is narrow, which limits his ability to anchor and turn. Not much of a pass rusher if there is not an open lane.
    Inconsistent getting off blocks from smaller offensive players, gets moved or out-positioned and forced to chase down plays from behind.

  42. Tim Knight says:

    Road to the playoffs and more. 😉

    QB Tua improves his game like any other 3rd year player.
    Running game is legit.
    Passing game is more explosive as it should be.
    Defense continues to build as a game changing unit.
    ST just be solid, Sanders needs to rebound from a sub par season.

  43. Krishna says:

    Lol…I brought Brittney Griner up because I’ve somewhat followed her career from a Baylor superstar to one of the top WNBA players.

    I have no idea what Afghanistan, the price of gasoline or how much she makes has anything to do with my question…lmao….as it’s pretty much the “right’s way” to adress issues with look-over-there bullshit.

    It is my understanding she was detained and searched while playing in a second league, but international. God forbid she tries to make more money playing in another league like many men do and completely fucking irrelevant.

    They found vape materials in her baggage. The State Department has declared she is being detained without cause.

    I or really no one knows what truth or lies are being told.

    Thought it might be interesting to some, but apparently it’s a trigger….lmfao!

    ….and something to do with Afghanistan, gas prices, money…omfg!

    • Krishna says:


    • Tim Knight says:

      Have you ever seen the show ‘Locked Up Abroad’?

      • Krishna says:

        Maybe, but not sure….sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night, can’t sleep, turn something on, watch it, and never know the name of it….

        ….then weeks, months, years later, but because I didn’t see it from the start the first time, I’ll go oh that’s the name of that movie…lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s usually about running drugs in countries who have strict rules. The prisons are horrible, but it’s a bad decision at the end of the day.

      • Krishna says:

        For sure…just thought it was interesting

  44. mf13ss says:

    Krishna says:
    June 21, 2022 at 8:09 pm
    Lol…I brought Brittney Griner up because I’ve somewhat followed her career from a Baylor superstar to one of the top WNBA players…
    Krishna, she broke the law of a foreign country. Even YOU stated that you wouldn’t bring $#!t into Costa Rica.

    • Krishna says:

      You don’t KNOW that….and believe Russians…that’s fucked up

    • mf13ss says:

      And I’ll tell ya this much, you’d better be aware of laws from state to state here in the USA.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I believe in states rights but some stuff should be universal and federal. That said, I lack faith in so many politicians. They become corrupted the moment they hold office.

      • mf13ss says:


        Still, one must observe state rights when traveling from state to state. That’s the point I’m trying to make to our guy Krishna.

      • mf13ss says:

        Not to mention, COUNTRY to COUNTRY!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes because we have laws as a Democratic-Republic. States rights is what keeps our government from becoming too big. But our federal government is still becoming too big as we speak. They throw money around like it’s Halloween giving out candy.

        It seems as if our federal government cares more about foreign countries more than the citizens of the country. Everyone sees this but blue and red teams continue to divide us. It’s fucked up!

  45. Krishna says:

    MF…not sure what you “know” or why you’re not following.

    To be clear, I stated no one knows. Even the US government has deemed it an unwarranted detention (or whatever the legalese is for that). But somehow you and only declare definitively that she broke the law.

    And, to top it off you say, I said that…u-f-b….lol. Oh well….

    Griner had played in Russia several times so she knew the rules…there was one report I read that this probably her last trip back to Russia as she thought she was being targeted….again who the fuck know? Oops, sorry, you do, without a proper jury and trial…lmao

    • mf13ss says:

      I think you’re taking out on me what others have said to you earlier. I certainly don’t “know” the intricacies of this given case or what can be done. All I do “know” is that she broke Russian law… that’s all I “know”, man.

      • mf13ss says:

        I’m absolutely unqualified to even think of arguing the laws of another country, man. As the old saying goes, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”.

      • Krishna says:

        That’s the fucking point man, you DON’T KNOW that she broke Russian law….no one does…KISS….not going to engage with a know-it-all who wasn’t there……good night dude….

  46. sb7mvp says:

    Is there a backyard movie going on somewhere because someone sure is projecting.

  47. Mike E. says:

    I think the biggest problems for Griner is that she’s not a male NBA star, or the league would have had her out of jail already. Or, if she was white, she’d be out. This is the crap I read up on this. Always blaming the stereotypes and race, and everything under the sun but the truth. Too bad, so sad.

    • steveccnv says:

      Always playing the victim, she’s pissed, because she’s not getting privilege like an entitled Karen

      Sometimes you have to be held accountable for your actions

      I was in London in 1982, just got off the Tube and there’s a guy hosting 3 card Charlie, I saw how to beat his game, but didn’t, because I didn’t want to get involved in something illegal in a foreign country

  48. Rockphin says:

    Wow, Krishna certainly seemed to be triggered by the discussion. All we know about the basketball player is what we hear in reports. Reports say she was found in possession of vape oil. A serious crime in Russia. She was arrested and is now going through the Russian legal system.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE. The state department SHOULD NOT get involved. The crime if it happened or not DID NOT happen here. The US government has no business getting involved.

    this is MY OPINION which is all anyone on here expressed. Krishna is free to share his OPINION.

    Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink on occasion.

    • Ken says:

      He watched her since she was in college at a nearby school. I get it. He is a fan and probably knows more about her and cares more about her than any of us do. I don’t know if she is guilty or not but I do believe she is being used as a political pawn

  49. Rockphin says:

    The second S in Kiss is offensive by the way.

  50. Wyoming85 says:

    Checking in Today

  51. Rockphin says:

    No cause of death has been released to the public yet.

  52. Rockphin says:

    Back to the Linebacker discussion.

    Jerome Baker, Sam Eguavoen, Calvin Munson, Duke Riley, Elandon Roberts, Channing Tindall

    Baker is a good starter. NOT great. He has warts that other teams take advantage of, but he plays more outside now than middle.

    Munson – JAG – Undrafted – One year contract – 27 tackles in 3 years on team, No game changing plays (sacks, QB hits, Int’s Fum, etc)

    Equavoen – JAG – Undrafted – CFL pickup – 67 tackles in 3 years, 4 sacks (.5 in last two years),

    Riley – JAG – 3rd rnd (ATL) – 26 tackles, no ints, sacks or Fum

    Roberts – Best JAG of the bunch – 1 Int, 1 TD, 2.5 sacks103 tackles in 2 years

    Steve asked “who said there’s a weakness” – ANSWER – I DO

    Hopefully Tindall pushes the bubble the other way, but right now IMO this is the weakness of our defense.

    Tim went to the Stat-well to say that we weren’t terrible, only 14th against the run.

    In the first seven losses in a row we gave up 143, 140, 139, 121, 84, 72 & 102 yards rushing at over 4 yards per clip and 9 rushing TDs. The middle of our D was soft and teams ran for a first down AT WILL. That doesn’t even include the 200 yards (198) that the Titans rammed down their throats when the playoffs were on the line.

    • Ken says:

      I think Baker is better than what you give him credit for but I pretty much agree with the rest of your analysis. The other factor to consider is that we do play Phillips at LB a lot and was really coming on the second half of last year.

    • steveccnv says:

      The Titans game was an aberration aided by a poorly scheduled short week with travel on both ends against a physical team, and with no help on O

      Based on your logic of what took place the first 8 games our secondary is terrible too

      My point was just our LBs were at least avg, unlike the OL that’s avg at best

      • Rockphin says:

        BOTH can be (and are IMO) weaknesses. The O line is obvious, but I think the next biggest weak spot is our ILB group. As apposed to some notational annalists, I think out pass rush is better than given credit for. (Many sites list this as our next biggest weakness after Oline, and of course our terrible bust of a QB….)

      • steveccnv says:

        We led the league in sacks with 2 games to go last year, that’s not a problem

        Tindall will at least be an avg ILB this year, with an occasional great play, that makes our LBs a strong unit

        Would you rather we signed a 1 yr lease like we did with Ingram?

        I don’t, I think by mid-season, when the game slows down for him our front 7 will be rolling

    • Tim Knight says:

      I said we had some bad games against the run. But some of those rushing totals were because of one or two runs. Did you not see us swarm a lot of running plays for losses or little to no gain? I did.

  53. steveccnv says:

    I have no idea what Afghanistan, the price of gasoline or how much she makes has anything to do with my question…

    You posted a quote or article of what her wife said, she was bitching about her govt not having Griner’s back, I mentioned Afghanistan, because the same thing happened with Americans there, left to fend for themselves (biden doesn’t give a fuck)

    The wife was also bitching, that if Griner made what men made, she wouldn’t have been over there, I brought up her 17m net worth to show it was a lie, she didn’t need the money

  54. Rockphin says:

    “Tindall will at least be an avg ILB this year, with an occasional great play, that makes our LBs a strong unit”

    I don’t get your logic. IF Tindal is at least an AVG LB this year that makes the group of JAG’s a strong unit? If Tindall turns out to be a stud then we would have one stud, one better than average and the rest JAGs. I don’t see that as strong. It is weak and thin.

    • steveccnv says:

      We were mostly not including Tindall in the LB talk for him being an unknown, Roberts is mostly weak against the pass, replacing Roberts with Tindall we’ll get similar run stuffing with more speed, so Tindall is an upgrade and gets that spot to at least avg with a lot of upside

      Baker I think is very good to great, AVG is one step below Baker, but above avg and pretty good, we also have Ingram and Phillips to very good LBs

      Replacing Roberts with Tindall gives us a strong LB corps, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it😝

  55. Rockphin says:

    Would you rather we signed a 1 yr lease like we did with Ingram?

    That is what we did with the JAGs. We are leasing them for one year.

    Roberts – 1 year
    Riley – 1 year
    Eguavoen – 1 year
    Munson – 1 year

    • steveccnv says:

      Like we did with Ingram, as in a guy that can play, not a JAG

      • Rockphin says:

        well then my answer is YES. I would prefer we had gotten a guy that can play, not just a JAG.

      • steveccnv says:

        Then you take reps from Tindall

        I like what we have at LB, with enough depth to play against different Os

        Not sure how much more depth we need, since LBs do come out in the nickel and dime

    • Wyoming85 says:

      1 out of 3 ain’t bad I guess?
      Yes Roberts is a JAG
      But the other 2? WTF!

      Jones is a shut down corner!
      Gesicki is a good receiving TE!

      • Rockphin says:

        I wouldn’t say Jones is a shut down corner. He is pretty good, but over-rated. (You calling him shut down shows that)
        Gesicki is a very good receiving TE. But he is not the whole package and not a Pro-bowl guy. Thus OVER-RATED.

      • Rockphin says:

        Besides the author agrees with me on Goedert.

      • steveccnv says:

        If not a pro bowl guy is what makes someone overrated, then we have 30 more where that came from

    • steveccnv says:

      I think the article is a reach, and didn’t need to be written

      I don’t get Roberts being overrated, who said he was great, his salary doesn’t, is it his fault they didn’t have someone better? They do now

      Comparing Gesicki to Goedert is like comparing apples to oranges, he outperformed his rookie contract enough said, we’ll talk about playing on the FT next offseason

      Jones was a desperation signing by Grier, another Fins clueless GM trying to put a square peg in a round whole, as Jones was a better zone CB, but he responded and played well last year

      You write an article like this because the team has guys that are over paid and need to be replaced, this article feels forced, because the writer had nothing better

  56. steveccnv says:

    If we had drafted Herbert instead of Tua, I don’t think Herbert would be getting the accolades he has

    Some think you can just take stats a guy got from one team and compare them to a guy on another team’s stats as if it’s on an equal playing field

    Put Mac Jones on the Fins and I’m sure his 2021 season wouldn’t have been very good, without the cheats OL and RBs

    Gesicki is best, when the play is allowed to develop, not thrown in 2 seconds, so should he be to blame for the poor OL play?

    They knew he was a receiving TE and not a blocking one, he mostly is what he is, overrated is a bad assessment of what he’s done so far

    I hope though, that MM can get his blocking up to avg for a TE

  57. Tim Knight says:

    Another issue we had against the run was when Raekwon Davis got hurt and he wasn’t 100% for a portion of the season. That guy is hard to move when he’s good to go. The other issue is what Son said about the offense not moving the ball well and punting. When you don’t sustain drives and score points opponents can keep it on the ground more because there is no urgency. That’s where complementary football comes into play. Hoping that changes quite a bit this year.

  58. sb7mvp says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 22, 2022 at 8:01 am
    I think the biggest problems for Griner is that she’s not a male NBA star, or the league would have had her out of jail already. Or, if she was white, she’d be out. This is the crap I read up on this. Always blaming the stereotypes and race, and everything under the sun but the truth. Too bad, so sad.
    She’s lucky to be mentioned in any way, shape, or form at all. If she was a regular citizen, no one would know she was in jail.

  59. uwantwat says:

    I was surprised we never picked up Reuben Foster to support Roberts. He’s the thumper I wanted and would have been real cheap.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Smythe is a solid TE who can play a lot of roles in the run and pass game. You need players like that who are unsung but do a lot of things that help a team that sometimes go unnoticed.

    • steveccnv says:

      Smythe finished 2021 catching 34 of his 41 targets, with 15 leading to first downs. He produced 357 yards and played in all 17 games last season. In 2020, the quarterback rating when he was targeted was 119.5, and last season, it was a respectable 92.8.

      I love those unsung TEs, like FBs they don’t get covered, free yards

      He should feast off of the attention given to our playmakers, was glad we resigned him

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep! If our WRs create more space and they should there will be opportunities for the TEs and RBs to have more open field to work with. Last year we seemed bunched together too often.

  60. Krishna says:

    LOL… Rock! Who I completely agree with so far today….

    Right on with your assessment of the LBs….

    And, and opinions are like assholes, and sometimes they stink! Like mine….lmao!

  61. steveccnv says:

    A lot our success on D comes from scheme

    How many times have we seen ints, because the QB panicked against the Amoeba, even Byron got one of those picks

    Brandon Jones had 5 sacks last year, all from well timed blitzes, sure he and Holland have what it takes to make those plays, but so do the LBers, Tindall will be put in position to surprise blitz this year, so he may get several scheme sacks

    Boyer shouldn’t have to do as good of a coaching job as Flores did to get the same results, because he has a better D

    Daboll was ok at best as our OC, give him Allen and look what happened, Boyer may see that jump this year

    • Tim Knight says:

      Jerome Baker said that a lot of the problems the defense had when they struggled is too many players went of script and freelanced too much instead of sticking with their assignments. Maybe now that they have more experience playing together in our scheme we’ll see a more disciplined defense. A lot of young players were learning their roles at the same time so now they’ve got more snaps and an understanding of what we’re doing.

  62. steveccnv says:

    This offseason seems too good to be true, hope we don’t get Murphied

  63. stangerx says:

    Odds to win AFC East Division

    Buffalo Bills -220 (bet $220 to win $100)
    Miami Dolphins +400 (bet $100 to win $400)
    New England Patriots +450 (bet $100 to win $450)
    New York Jets +2000 (bet $100 to win $2,000)

    And overall Vegas has us pegged at 8.5 wins. I’d take the over on that.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Our offense is unknown at this time and McDaniel being a first time HC is likely part of that too. It will change if our offense takes off.

      • stangerx says:

        Think a lot of has to do with the Bills being a Super Bowl favorite. And the 8.5 wins is low to my eyes, but then the AFC is stacked.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The Bills should be considered Super Bowl candidates but you never know. Every season has unforeseen obstacles.

        Our 3rd game at home against the Bills regardless of what we do the first two games is a really important game. We have to show we can play with them. We’ve got to end that 7 games losing streak.

  64. CavalierKong says:

    If Snyder is still an NFL owner when all this crap is over, there could be no bigger proof that he knows where the bodies are buried and the other owners are too afraid of Snyder hitting the ‘nuke all’ button.

    • Tim Knight says:

      And the NFL is sending Flores’ lawsuit to arbitration. Isn’t most of his case against all the teams and people involved perception?

      • CavalierKong says:

        I was just about to post about the league’s request to move the case to arbitration.

        I’m curious what our resident lawyers think of this argument by Flores’ attorney and if they have any chance to keep this out of arbitration..

        Flores’ attorney:

        “If the motion is granted, commissioner Roger Goodell would oversee the arbitration process. Flores’ attorney Douglas Wigdor previously said the league demonstrated “this unconscionable bias of the arbitrator” when the NFL said the claims in the lawsuit were without merit after it was first filed.”

        NFL’s reasoning:

        “In a letter to District Judge Valerie E. Caproni, Loretta Lynch, the former U.S. Attorney General and counsel for the league, claims such documents “contain proprietary and sensitive information” and other irrelevant information that would place other teams at a competitive disadvantage. The league has previously argued that the claims in the lawsuit must be moved to arbitration according to the terms of employment agreements.”

      • stangerx says:

        Arbitration clause was in the employment contract. Might sound unfair but it was. And the way for Team Flores to make it not go to arbitration is to show that the arbitration clause is fundamentally unfair in general. There’s not doubt they hold up in many other circumstances.

        But keep in mind after you lose in arbitration can go to court after, even if your grounds may be limited or the court find arbitration was binding.

      • steveccnv says:

        They Flores lawsuit doesn’t have a chance, he knows that and why he’s now employed by the Steelers

        I bet once the going gets tough this year for the Steelers we’ll start hearing Minkah spats with Flores, I’m on Minkah’s side this time

      • Tim Knight says:

        The thing is Flores is not the DC, but a senior defensive assistant and linebackers coach. Even NFL pundits have acted like he’s the DC and totally disrespect Teryl Austin who is the DC and another black coach.

  65. stangerx says:

    “That pimp you married not only broke his oath, he sold his soul. Yours and Christian’s too! Adam’s activities have hurt not only this country, but countless patriotic and God-fearing families. Therefore, though it might take time, he will be executed. But don’t worry! You and Christian will be joining Adam in hell too!”

    — An anonymous letter sent to the wife of Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger. Christian is their infant child. You would have hoped our country was a better one.

  66. Wyoming85 says:

    Sad day for Baltimore fans and the NFL

  67. Tim Knight says:

    This seems to explain why Flores was fired the day after the last game of the season.


    How much more can we hear about Brian Flores, Miami Dolphins head coach before we realize how toxic he was? According to a new report, Albert Wilson has some light on the subject.

    Nick Hicks recently joined a Miami Dolphins podcast and spoke about Tua Tagovailoa. As his personal trainer, Hicks mentioned that he had spoken with Albert Wilson and that Wilson told him he had never experienced anything as he did in Miami last year under Flores.

    According to Hicks, Wilson told him that players were required to walk “single file” in the hallways, no one was talking, and everyone was “on pins and needles”.


  68. steveccnv says:

    How did we win 8 of 9 last year under those conditions?

    • Tim Knight says:

      The players rallied and that’s why they’re such a close bunch.

      • Tim Knight says:

        After the loss to the Titans Tua called out Flores saying you can’t talk to people like that. I think the players and others in the org realized where the problem was.

  69. steveccnv says:

    After we win 12 this year we’re going to hear Tua say it was nothing compared to the 9 we won last year

  70. steveccnv says:

    Miami Dolphins
    Show us a 📸 from your first Dolphins game!

    Not sure they had cameras back then

  71. Tim Knight says:

    I want to see how teams cover Hill and Waddle as shorter quick and fast WRs and then Wilson and Gesicki as bigger targets with deceptive speed. I’m pretty sure McDaniel wants to push the safeties back for the run game. Make them pay for stacking the box. That’s where space in pass routes come from. I’ve always felt you have to send someone deep on every play to take a corner and/or safety off the LOS or in the box. But you need the speed to do that. We added that. Will the Bills still stack the box on our offense this year?

    • Rockphin says:

      That’s what play-action is for.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Of course but it’s not just play-action. Personnel plays a role in it. You need the talent to scare opponents. The only guy who teams worried about beating them for big plays was Waddle. So they always had more than one DB around him. Think about how many 3-8 yard pass plays he had to fight for to get 1st downs or a TD. Nothing was wide open. Yet he caught 104 passes and set a rookie record. We made a fast guy a Landry type receiver. Opponents did not fear anyone else.

      That’s going to change this year. 🙂

  72. stangerx says:

    Tyreek had had Miami in his blood long before we traded for him.

    Tyreek Hill has a secret. Or, should I say, rather, he had a secret (sorry, Tyreek). The newly minted Miami Dolphin wide receiver has slyly kept a home in the Magic City since 2018 — back when he was still very much an integral part of the Kansas City Chiefs.

    “I’ve had a place here for about four years now, but nobody really knew about it. You’ve got to be very discreet with what you do,” the 28-year-old athlete sagely confides.

    Hill has been biding his time and plotting his move for years now. First, he rented. Then, he purchased a place in south Florida, but sold it after buying a $1.3 million mansion in Lees Summit, Missouri, during his tenure with the Chiefs. But he just couldn’t quit Florida, and so he decided to invest in a Southwest Ranches mansion. Which, in the end, was the right call. “I’m just happy I don’t have to leave now!”

  73. stangerx says:

    “I go into work every day, man, and I look at Tua. He’s such a hard-working dude. A lot of people don’t give him credit for what he has done in his career. And then I see him out on the practice field, and he’s tremendous. He can put the ball anywhere on the field, standing in one spot. I just want to see him play, man, and play by his side. That’s part of the reason why I chose the Miami Dolphins. I wanted to play with the lefty.”
    — Tyreek

    • Tim Knight says:

      Like I’ve said before, whether Hill truly believes that or not, Florida was his destination and he’s also talking his QB up. He’s trying to instill leadership as a top vet player and create positivity. Then we get his explosive game. He’s not just a go route playmaker but his speed is a huge advantage. Remember he made his name with Alex Smith before Mahomes was on the scene.

  74. CavalierKong says:

    Have we always had to wait this long for the training camp schedule to be released? To me, this is the hardest part of the offseason to stomach, the dead zone of June/July after mini-camp and OTAs before training camp.

    I just want to know exactly how much longer I have to wait. I might even make one of those countdown chains we used to make as children for xmas day…if I had a dang date…

  75. Krishna says:

    CK, I was just saying to my friend that I want the season to start now…lol…..

    …that doesn’t mean I’m completely happy with where we think we’re at or that I’m not concerned.

    I just want to see what we got…lol

  76. Tim Knight says:

    Chase Edmonds is like Myles Gaskin but a bit better and faster. Now we have two of them with similar skill sets. Mostert and Michel will likely round out the depth chart unless a young buck really stands out. I’m not counting out Gaskin who has always earned playing time with hard work and skill.

    Zone running is not about power backs. It’s about space and quickness to pick up yards when it’s there. I think Edmonds/Gaskin will be major players and the other two will be in the mix and try to ground out games.

  77. randydolfan1947 says:

    TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING out shoot the Avalanche 17-4 in the first period of tonight’s game. Best of all, the Bolts SCORED just 36 seconds into the game and the home town crowd at Amalie Arena hasn’t stopped roaring since then!!!
    Give the Avs’ goalie credit. He’s been spectacular since giving up that early goal. Bolts hit the post in the final seconds of this period or the score would be 2-0!
    Brayden Point re-injured his lower body injury and appears out for the rest of the finals. That’s a huge loss because he was Tampa Bay’s top goal scorer in each of the last two Stanley Cup Finals.
    Hope to make one more post later in this game!

    • randydolfan1947 says:

      HEY CAV KONG: My Greyhound wondered what all the screaming was when the Bolts scored that early goal. She walked over to our big screen and watched the game for about 10 minutes. Then she went back to her bed, secure in the knowledge that her fav team was in control.

      I, on the other hand, continued to be a wired nervous wreck!!

  78. mf13ss says:

    Krishna says:
    June 21, 2022 at 9:32 pm
    That’s the fucking point man, you DON’T KNOW that she broke Russian law….no one does…KISS….not going to engage with a know-it-all who wasn’t there……good night dude….
    I don’t wish to prolong this convo, but I absolutely told ya that I’m NOT some kind of know-it-all, and most particularly on the subject at hand. Know where I got it from that she broke Russian law? From your MSM… don’t blame me, blame your MSM. Please pardon us who consume that which you prescribe to us.

    I truly appreciate that you’re so adamant about the topic at hand, and I honestly didn’t mean any disrespect, Krishna. I’ve got no horses in this race, that much I can ensure ya. I dearly LOVE both Ricky Williams and Mike Tyson, and I do NOT judge them by their Mary Jane habits… even though it’s not for me.

    I’m not mad at ya, bud… don’t be mad at me, either.

  79. mf13ss says:

    Part VI (and the finale) of the Obi-Wan Kenobi series aired today… WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To my fellow Star Wars fans here, ENSURE that you watch this series!!! You will NOT be disappointed!!!

  80. uwantwat says:

    Foster would be a good backup for Roberts and wouldn’t take playing time from Tindal. He would be on the vet’s minimum.

  81. Rockphin says:

    One more game and the Aves take it!

    • Mike E. says:

      There’s always the Aves and the Ave nots

      • Rockphin says:

        My little old lady mom is a RABID Avalanche fan. She turns into a very unpleasant person when they lose. LOL I called to check in yesterday (during the game) and got “You really are my dumbest child! The game is on! Call back!”

        LOL I DID NOT call back.

      • Krishna says:

        Lol, Rock….she was having a RABID moment!

  82. Mike E. says:

    Rock – Did you ever pick up Feist’s Firemane Series? Book III is due out July 5th

    • Rockphin says:

      No, not yet. I bought the entire Malazan Book of the Fallen series and am currently slogging through it. (on book 4 now) It took me the better part of a month to get through the first 10 chapters because i dislike Karsa Oolong soo much! LOL although he is growing on me now that he is Toblakai.

      I am enjoying Ericson, but it took a bit for me to get into his writing style.

      I have “King of Ashes” queued up on my end table (bought it before the Malazan books) but haven’t gotten to it yet.

      I love the riftwar universe so much. I was upset that Feist “wasted time” writing about a new universe. LOL It may take me the rest of the year to get through the remainder of Malazan.

  83. Rockphin says:

    PhinPhanatic on Fansided has an article titled ” 3 myths the Miami Dolphins must bust in 2022″

    1. that first year HC McDaniel will struggle his first year as coaches often do
    2. that Tua can’t throw the deep pass
    3. that MIami can’t beat Buffalo.

    # 2 & #3 there is evidence for so they need to show evidence this year that they have changed.

    I really, really, really, really (add 10 more reallys) hope we don’t come out with a slow start AGAIN this season. I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO want to come out and punch NE, Balt & Buff in the noses and surprise the league with a quick jump to the top of the divisions.

  84. Krishna says:

    I find it interesting that anyone would believe anything Russians would report as “truth” especially when it involves drugs….lmao.

  85. Rockphin says:

    I think this site has adopted this method as well. LOL

  86. Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 23, 2022 at 11:30 am (Edit)
    Replace drugs with conservatives and it’s about the same
    🤔 I think I would rather do drugs and conservatives

  87. steveccnv says:

    Was looking at the odds last night at the sportsbook, we’re 30 to 1 to win SB, cheats 50 to 1, Bills 6.5 to 1, Jets 200 to 1 and off the board to lose, since that’s a no win bet for the casino

    We’re 1 to 50 to lose, cheats 1 to 80

  88. steveccnv says:

    Grier really FDed up this one, unless Sieler wouldn’t sign more than a 2 yr contract, which is highly unlikely

    The Miami Dolphins felt that he was valuable enough to keep on the team for at least two more years. Sieler signed a contract extension through 2023.

  89. steveccnv says:

    When asked about the state of the Fins, these 2 said…

  90. steveccnv says:

    Miami Dolphins biggest remaining need

    Get off to a fast start😉

  91. Rockphin says:

    HOLY SHIT! I didn’t realize it is so easy to alter a wicki page. I just changed a wicki page and it made the changes. No long-in, no confirmation, just accepted the changes.

  92. Rockphin says:


  93. steveccnv says:

    If the WH is pushing for EV why did they ban Musk from the EV Summit?

    Musk says, because UAW has enough pull to do it, they’re pissed at him for not having a union and are badmouthing with lies, they’re trying to turn Tesla into a union shop

    Just goes to show you the kickbacks are really more important, than the carbon footprint to them

  94. Rockphin says:

    Nothing against Mike, Steve, but I already have my own bail bondsman programmed in my phone. LOL

    • steveccnv says:

      Good thing, Tucker just announced some funny business going on with DJ’s Wiki page

      He said they plan on going after the perpetrators to the full extent of the law

  95. Wyoming85 says:

    There it is!

    • Tim Knight says:


    • CavalierKong says:

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s usually 2 weeks b4 first PS game or is that just when the pads can come on?

      Do we get an early start for having a new HC?

      • steveccnv says:

        On days two through five of preseason training camp, no live contact shall be permitted.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Our 1st PS game is 8/13 @ Tampa. So 18 days of TC with full team before the team has to play the game. I think TC is all in pads but there are full contact limitations – only so many practices for that.

      • Tim Knight says:

        This is what I found.
        The first day is deemed a conditioning day. Days 2-3 are no-contact, with players wearing helmets. Players can add shells on Days 4-5, still without contact, and are off on Day 6. Full-pad practices with contact can begin on Day 7.

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