Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

by Dave Hartman “The Pigskin Papers”

Olave and Wilson taking their talents to the NFL

Welcome to the second season of Fantasy Football coverage from the Pigskin Papers! Over the next 3 months, we’ll post lots of great (and free) content to help you prepare for fantasy drafts. Bookmark the site and check back often. 

We’re kicking things off with a look at the 2022 rookie class of WRs. Rookie receivers have been a big factor in fantasy the past 2 seasons, and we think that trend will continue. It wasn’t always this way. Let me take you back 19 years, to September 7, 2003. It’s Week 1 of the 2003 NFL season and you can feel the anticipation and excitement, as fantasy players plug in lineups for the first time in 9 months. As always, a few things will go down in Week 1 that take fantasy managers by surprise. Perhaps the biggest one this time around is the astonishing performance of Arizona rookie WR Anquan Boldin. Facing the Lions, Boldin erupts for 10 catches, 217 yards and 2 TDs. This out-of-nowhere, record setting NFL debut leads to an all-out waiver wire stampede, as you might imagine. You see, Boldin isn’t on many rosters in redraft leagues. First off, he’s a rookie, and back then, the expectations for rookie WRs in Year 1 were modest at best. Also, he suffered an ACL tear during college, and ran slow at the combine (4.71). He fell to the 2nd Round and wasn’t even the first WR the Cardinals drafted that year. But his debut wasn’t a fluke. Boldin finished the year with a stat line of 101-1,377-8, on an astounding 165 targets. If it wasn’t for what Randy Moss did 5 years prior (69-1,313-17), it would’ve gone down as the greatest season by a rookie WR in the Super Bowl era. As it was, he set modern-day rookie records for catches and yards. 

For many years, the conventional wisdom was that while RBs could be expected to step in and produce right away, receivers needed time to adjust and Year 3 was the most likely time for a WR breakout. The WR piece of that wisdom has been put to rest. The pro and college games both have evolved significantly in the decades since Moss and Boldin came into the league, and the college ranks are producing more and more pro-ready WRs who can quickly acclimate at the next level. Not only that, these receivers are coming in a wide range of size, speed, athleticism, and skill set combinations, and franchises are finding players that can fill the various receiver roles that the modern NFL game demands. Moss, Boldin, and Odell Beckham, Jr. in 2014 all put up WR1 fantasy campaigns as rookies and that made them outliers for the time. For many years the conventional wisdom mostly held, and fantasy players drafted accordingly.

Again, that was then and this is now, and fantasy managers need to keep adjusting. Justin Jefferson broke Boldin’s rookie yardage record in 2020 (and finished the year as the WR6 in Half PPR), only to see his college teammate Ja’Marr Chase break his mark in 2021, while posting a whopping 18 YPC and 13 TDs and finishing the season as the WR4 in Half PPR. Boldin’s rookie catch record fell last year too, to Miami’s Jaylen Waddle, who caught 104 balls. And it wasn’t just Chase and Waddle who lit it up last season. Over the final 7 weeks, only Cooper Kupp scored more fantasy points among WRs than Detroit rookie (and 4th Round pick) Amon-Ra St. Brown. And over a 6 week stretch in the middle of the season (before he got hurt), 2nd Round pick Elijah Moore of the Jets was a top 5 fantasy WR. Waddle was solid all year and finished as the WR14 in Full PPR. And going back to 2020, rookies CeeDee Lamb and Chase Claypool didn’t have monster seasons like Jefferson did, but both finished just inside the Top 20 in Half PPR.

Jefferson – The poster child for the rookie breakout

For fantasy managers, rostering a breakout rookie receiver can be the difference between making the playoffs and going home. You know what a lot of 2020 league winners had in common? They either took a late flier on Jefferson, or more likely, grabbed him off the waiver wire after he went off in Week 3. And those who ignored the reports that Chase was dropping balls left and right in training camp and drafted him anyway (his ADP was around Round 6) ended up with a top 5 WR at a massive discount.

It’s not just fantasy players who are noticing that receivers can contribute early. So are NFL teams, who are similarly motivated to try to get tremendous value – in their case, the value that a stud receiver on a rookie deal can bring to a franchise. Continuing a trend that shows no sign of slowing down, NFL franchises selected 6 WRs in the first 18 picks of the 2022 NFL Draft. Seven more WRs went in Round 2, plus 4 more in Round 3. For fantasy managers, this gives us a lot of names to think about as we try to unearth the next Chase, Jefferson, Waddle or St. Brown in 2022 redraft leagues. 

Before we start dissecting the 2022 rookies, it’s worth noting that the top guys don’t compare to the top prospects from a year ago. Chase was the highest rated WR prospect to come along in a while, and he, Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith all would’ve been the first WR taken if they were in this class. Still, the 2022 group is talented and deep, with plenty of players who could be relevant – or more – in fantasy this year. As is always the case with rookies, some players will emerge as legit fantasy starters as the season progresses, and when that happens they’ll be waiver wire priority adds who get gobbled up quickly. This is what happened with Moore and St. Brown in 2021. So that’s the first piece of advice: you’ll want to keep a close eye on the rookie receivers early in the season, paying particular attention to these 3 stats that you won’t find in a traditional box score: snap shares, routes run, and target shares. You’ll want to pounce before it’s too late. Our weekly Waiver Wire column will be helpful with this.

So who should fantasy managers target in drafts this summer, and keep on their waiver wire watch list? Let’s approach this strategically. Rookie WRs are hard to project. At the extremes, we can expect a couple of them to be breakout players who you can eventually start with confidence, while others won’t even be rosterable. Most will fall somewhere in the middle and will have their moments, but they’ll be hard to trust on a weekly basis. So let’s identify the factors that’ll help us try to figure out which rookie receivers have the most breakout potential. I think the 3 biggest ones to focus on are (1) talent, (2) target opportunities, and (3) landing spot/situation. This third factor combines QB play, coaching, style and productivity of the offense, and fit. But looking at those sub-factors can be deceiving. Neither St. Brown nor Moore would’ve gotten high marks for landing spot/situation in 2021. But they had this in common – they played on teams that sported a bottom-2 defense, meaning the offense constantly had to chase points. So when looking at landing spot, let’s factor that in as well.

With these criteria in mind, here are my favorite rookie WR targets for 2022 in redraft leagues (note – ADPs listed are current and will change over the summer, and things like injuries, signings and cuts, camp reports and more will have an impact  – so take the ADPs with a grain of salt and I’ll update this column in August):

Treylon Burks – Primed for a big role with the Tennessee Titans
  1. Treylon Burks. The Titans took the Arkansas product with the 18th pick in the Draft, meaning 5 WRs went before him. But for this season, I like him best. Why? Because for me, he does the best job of checking all 3 boxes. A.J. Brown is gone, and Burks is a big, strong, and somewhat explosive target who has some of the same attributes as Brown. He has lots of experience operating from the slot, but the Titans figure to use him in a multitude of ways. What I really like is the opportunity, as he’s likely to have less competition for targets than other rookies. The Titans don’t have a single returning player who caught 40 balls last year. The top 2 receivers figure to be Burks and former Ram Robert Woods, who is also new to the team and is coming off a season-ending ACL tear in November. And finally, I like the landing spot. Yes, the Titans run the ball a lot, but they’re a highly productive offense that scores plenty. Ryan Tannehill is a master at play action, and talented receivers can thrive in this system. I think Burks offers a decently high ceiling with a solid floor for a rookie. Apparently, so do others, as he’s got the top ADP of the rookie WRs (WR33, #78 overall in Half PPR). At that ADP he’s a late 7th Rounder and I think that’s a fair price to pay for his upside, which could be difference-making. Sign me up.
  2. Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. I’m not lumping these 2 together because they were college teammates at OSU. I’m doing it because after Burks, I think they offer the best combo of talent, opportunity, and landing spot. Both should see plenty of playing time right away, and both are on offenses that should throw a decent amount. In the case of Olave, I love the smoothness of his game (his size, speed, and route-running reminds me a little of Chris Godwin, who had a tremendous season with Jameis Winston in 2019) and he might be the most NFL-ready of the rookies. I also like his opportunity. Michael Thomas’s health is hard to trust, Jarvis Landry is more like a tight end at this stage of his career, and the rest of the receiver/TE room is ho-hum. I don’t expect Olave to be an automatic start, but he should have good flex appeal and the same is true for Wilson, who also has plenty of game and steps in alongside Elijah Moore and Corey Davis in what should be an improved offense. I don’t know what to expect from Zach Wilson, but the Jets figure once again be playing a lot of catch-up. Olave’s ADP is 105, while Wilson’s is 85. I’m more comfortable with Olave in Round 10 than Wilson in Round 8, but I think both will see plenty of targets and are good upside picks as your 3rd or ideally 4th receiver. 
  3. Skyy Moore. Patrick Mahomes. That’s who’ll be throwing balls to Skyy Moore, and Tyreek Hill is gone. I could probably stop there. The Chiefs did bring in JuJu and MVS, and Travis Kelce figures to lead the team in targets. But Moore is a polished route runner with lots of experience working out of the slot and I can see him carving out a nice role on this great and creative offense, sooner rather than later. Moore’s current ADP of 164 makes him a guy you can take in the late rounds as your 4th or 5th WR, and I love the dart throw on him at that price.
  4. Christian Watson. Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams. See above. Similar to KC, the Packers traded away their top wideout, drafted a WR in Round 2, and there’s a huge target share up for grabs in an elite passing offense. The WR room in Green Bay is crowded right now but none of the names are awe-inspiring. Aaron Jones might lead this team in targets. Watson has a rare size-speed combo, but he’s a little raw and didn’t face top competition in college. So this could take time and I like him more as a second half of the season guy. Still, the Packers moved up to get him at the top of Round 2 and he’s got a high ceiling. And Rodgers has a history fo turning second round picks into fantasy studs. At a current ADP of 147, Watson will only cost you a 12th or 13th Round pick – I’m in on that upside value play all day.
  5. Jameson Williams. If Williams hadn’t torn his ACL in January, he likely would’ve been the first receiver taken in April. I don’t know if he’ll be ready when the season starts, but once he’s 100%, he should have a great opportunity in the passing game alongside St. Brown, Hockenson and Swift. The Detroit defense should be improved, but I still expect them to need to throw a lot, and Williams is a home run hitter. Say what you want about Jared Goff, but he’s made some WRs very worthwhile in fantasy, including St. Brown last season. I think Williams is a nice stash in the later rounds, and like Watson, could really help fantasy managers in the latter part of the season. 
  6. Drake London. A quick word on London, the first WR taken in the draft. Yes, the WR group in Atlanta is very weak. But I’m worried about this offense struggling in its first year post-Matt Ryan. I expect inconsistent QB play and a lot of low scoring efforts. I like the talent and especially his size, but I’m not looking to have many shares of London. 
  7. Waiver Wire Watch. Any prominent rookie receiver who doesn’t get taken in your fantasy draft should be on your waivers watchlist, together with those who get dropped early by impatient owners. I’d especially keep my eye on David Bell (Cle), Alec Pierce (Ind),  George Pickens (Pit), and John Metchie, III (Hou). I think the talent-opportunity-landing spot combo for all of them is good, and that they all fit nicely in their new offense. I’m fine with taking a flier on these players towards the end of the draft. Any of them could be this year’s St. Brown.
Is the Skyy the limit for Moore in KC? We’ll see

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913 Responses to Fantasy Football ‘22: Chasing Chase – A Look at the Rookie WRs

  1. Krishna says:

    LOL…thank you, Mike E….fantasy football is in control now!

    • Mike E. says:

      This is a new author, Dave Hartman. Thank him! I just posted his article. 🙂

      • Krishna says:

        I know you did….that’s why I said …in control now….I guess not funny.

      • Mike E. says:

        OK, missed that. Since practically nothing is happening on the NFL front, it’s a nice change up from all Dolphins all the time. I suspect he will contribute some Dolphins related content as well.

      • pigskinpapers86 says:

        Thanks Mike – I greatly appreciate you posting my article here and I hope the #FinsUp crowd enjoys it. For those who want to read more you can check out my blog at http://www.pigskinpapers.com. It’s a mix of NFL and fantasy content but from this point forward, mostly fantasy. ‘Fins fan since the early 70s here – glad to be with all of you!

  2. Mike E. says:

    Guys and Gals – We have a new contributor for article content, his name is Dave Hartman, who has his own blog called “The Pigskin Papers”. He’s a Dolphins fan, but writes a lot of Fantasy Football content as well. Hope you enjoy it!

  3. Krishna says:

    Welcome DH…(edited)…lol.

  4. Mike E. says:

    Dave – Thanks for coming on, and of course thanks for contributing your articles. Pleasure to have you here!

  5. Ken says:

    I heard Burks has been struggling in OTAs and was out of shape

    • pigskinpapers86 says:

      Yes, I saw that too. I don’t worry about that too much – yet. Remember, last year Ja’Marr Chase (who hadn’t played football in over a year) was dropping “everything” in practice. And all the negative reports about him over the summer pushed his draft stock down in fantasy. I’m not saying Burks is Chase – far from it – just saying that it’s early and sometimes these reports get overblown, or end up not mattering once the season starts.

  6. mf13ss says:

    Welcome, pigskinpapers86! Nice write and thanks for your contribution to the FME!

  7. Ken says:

    To me Watson is the WR to go after in fantasy because of who will be throwing the ball to him

    • Mike E. says:

      I think Garrett Wilson is going to get a shit ton of targets this season

    • pigskinpapers86 says:

      I like Watson too. Could take a little time as he’s from a small school and probably needs to develop some – but GB’s history with second round WRs (Adams, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Cobb) is ridiculous and a lot of that has to do with the QB.

  8. Rockphin says:

    A new contributor? HELLO PIGSKIN! Welcome! Thank you for the content.

  9. Ken says:

    New guy so everyone be on their best behavior 🥺

  10. Rockphin says:

    TLDR

  11. Mike E. says:

    Rock up on his acronyms. I think acronyms I immediately think of Nicolas Cage in “Kiss of Death” B.A.D. Balls – Attitude – Direction

  12. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 17, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    LOL – Faux pa – That would be FMU

    It’s easy – F Me? No, FU. 🙂
    ———–
    😆
    As soon as I hit enter, I was like, OH SNAP! I got it wrong! 😀

    • Mike E. says:

      If Walker was reading you’d have made him happy. lol

      You still keep in touch?

      • mf13ss says:

        No, man. I’ve not had contact with Walker for nearly half a decade.

      • mf13ss says:

        He was not pleased that I continued to post here on the FMU and our last convo was not a good one.

      • stangerx says:

        What did he expect you to do? You’d already shown solidarity by not coming here and to his new place instead? He wasn’t on that any more.

  13. mf13ss says:

    It’s officially the doldrums. Thought this was a funny skit from last night…

  14. stangerx says:

    Thanks to Dave Hartman for a real in-depth take on the top-drafted rook WRs, and especially this: “Jarvis Landry is more like a tight end at this stage of his career.” Mighty small for a TE.

    Does the “The Pigskin Papers” mean he covers the WTFs? Would love to get the scoop on Snyder’s troubles. If anyone deserves such….

    • pigskinpapers86 says:

      Thanks. Nah – pigskin like football, not the Hogs that somehow had enough Riggins to take down Woodstrock in the ’82 SB. I’m still bitter about that one.

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — we all have nightmares about Riggins running wide through a missed tackle to score. Hope you get why don’t like Snyder though. Lived in DC and he was always on the sports news. What a narcissistic little man. Pounded the roster into the dirt as well.

  15. stangerx says:

    “The Fake News Networks are perpetuating lies, falsehoods, and Russia, Russia, Russia type disinformation (same sick people, here we go again!) by allowing the low rated but nevertheless one sided and slanderous Unselect Committee hearings to go endlessly and aimlessly on (and on and on!),

    It is a one sided, highly partisan Witch Hunt, the likes of which has never been seen in Congress before. Therefore, I am hereby demanding EQUAL TIME to spell out the massive Voter Fraud & Dem Security Breach!”

    — Donald J Trump. who I am sure the committee would love to have before it at length… but never gonna happen despite the plea for “equal time.”

  16. steveccnv says:

    Welcome Dave, I don’t play FF any longer, but if I did I’d be reading you

    That might be the best FF article I’ve ever read

  17. Mike E. says:

    Anyway . . . Let’s try to keep it on football. A certain little Piggy revealed his displeasure of politics being discussed here, to the point where he doesn’t even want to post here anymore. I for one don’t want that to happen, so let’s try our best to to stay on football, food, putting out, whatever, but not politics. 🙂

    • mf13ss says:

      I second that! I don’t want the Pigster to not want to post here anymore.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I am 100% for not wanting Piggy to not want to post here anymore too…I think.

    • stangerx says:

      But then you have to ask why do so many like talking politics? I get that some don’t, but always been an open board. My final answer is always scrolling past is no big deal versus telling people what not to write.

  18. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    June 17, 2022 at 3:34 pm
    What did he expect you to do? You’d already shown solidarity by not coming here and to his new place instead? He wasn’t on that any more.
    —————-
    It’s all good, Stanger. I still consider Walker to be a friend and I’m sure he still considers me to be a friend. We’ve just drifted apart after the so-called ‘blog wars’. It wasn’t a deal-breaker in terms of our friendship, we’ve just not been in contact for a while. We all have friends who we’ve not been in contact with for some time.

    I’ll have to contact him soon to make sure he’s doing alright.

    • mf13ss says:

      And I feel the same way regarding David and ORob. I’ll have to contact them soon.

      • Mike E. says:

        I have nothing against any of those people either. Walker chose not to come here, and we thought it in the best interest of the blog to let the other two go. Whether it was the right decision or not I can’t say, but it’s done. It was becoming an unnecessary distraction and made the blog less desirable to come to. There were certain people who completely avoided this place due to them so it happened.

      • mf13ss says:

        I wasn’t trying to make a subliminal statement to have everybody reinstated, just saying that I truly care about ALL of us who’ve walked through these internet doors. Even when I vehemently disagree with somebody (or vice-versa), I respect their right to disagree and that person as a fellow human being.

    • stangerx says:

      I wish Walker all the best, but very glad we have the Admins running this place instead of him and GIgi. Was like Mom & Dad and domestic violence.

      • mf13ss says:

        Agreed!

      • mf13ss says:

        I just hope there will come a day where we can all get along and nobody needs to be banned. You said it yourself just above… one can always just skip past another’s post.

  19. herdfan says:

    Well hi there new guy! 😘

  20. Mike E. says:

    Alright, now I’m upset! I’ve been here since the beginning and I NEVER got a kiss! Dave hasn’t been here a half a day yet and he gets a kiss. WTF!!! Reminds me of when I had DirecTV years ago, had it for about 7 or 8 years and then HD became a thing. I called DirecTV and asked how much it would cost to upgrade to an HD dish. They told me $999.00. I said you’re offering new customers an HD dish for $199.00. I’ve been paying for the Gold package with the NFL Sunday ticket for 8 years can you give me a break on the price? NOPE. I said SeeYa!!! Years later I came back because I really missed the Dolphins. Anyway, thanks for nothing Herd!

  21. mf13ss says:

    Mike E,

    Even when we were wearing chiffon robes together after getting into the hot tub, you never even bothered to so much as blow me a kiss! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!! 😆

    • mf13ss says:

      That goes way back! I think it was Tim who came up with the whole ‘chiffon robes’ deal! 😀

      • Mike E. says:

        LOL – It was definitely Tim who came up with the chiffon robes. It’s kind of amazing to think back to the evolution of the relationships here, and I’m pretty thankful that for the most part, a lot of us have stayed together all this time. I think it’s pretty remarkable. I hope someday you get to meet a bunch of us, you wouldn’t regret making the trip.

  22. mf13ss says:

    “Friends”…

  23. Mike E. says:

    I got back from a walk about 20 minutes or so ago, it’s effing ridiculously hot out there! Should have waited until tonight when it cooled down

  24. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong

  25. sb7mvp says:

    I don’t know any of these people

  26. CavalierKong says:

    It’s in the mid 60s here in Sacto. I’m pretty sure I just saw a purple unicorn being chased by a jabberwocky.
    (That is Kong speak for 60s in mid June in Sacramento is as rare as…)

  27. stangerx says:

    “Via an offseason trade, Tyreek Hill joined forces with the player closest to his unique blend of speed and twitch in the open field — Jaylen Waddle. Opposing defenses are going to have to grapple with the best way to mitigate risk and limit the damage caused by that duo all season.

    Hill and Waddle aren’t the only quality receiving options for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, either. Tight end Mike Gesicki has 32 contested catches over the past two seasons (tied for fourth in NFL), and free agent acquisition Cedrick Wilson steps in as the No. 3 wide receiver after a career year with the Cowboys in 2021 (71.6 PFF receiving grade).”

    — PFF’s Ben Lindsey on why he ranked the Phins WR unit 3rd best in the league.

  28. Mike E. says:

    To Dave, and Herd

  29. herdfan says:

    It’s been 95 ish and 1000% humidity here the past two days-then it stormed today. Power is out but we had a generator installed at my mom’s a few years ago so we have electric, ac and internet.

    I’ve not mentioned here but prolly going to be moving here temporarily in a few months. Staying here recently has made it clear she really shouldn’t be on her own. I won’t live in the same house with her. I’ll be across the street in what we jokingly call the rental house. The joke is that since the time my parents owned it, no one who lived in it ever paid rent.

    • Mike E. says:

      Wow, sorry to hear that Herd. Tough time when parents get to that point.

    • stangerx says:

      That’s tough. Any chance can get her into a retirement community? I know that costs but always thought when the time comes where I would like to be. Would be cool being with people who know who “the Fonz” is.

      • herdfan says:

        Oh no! We’ve suggested it. She’s not like my dad was. She’s difficult and not very pleasant to be around. And wonders why no one wants to visit. This is going to be stressful.

      • stangerx says:

        Not sure as you what is going on, but can pretty much guarantee will be stressful. Told at the time on the board that my Mom had severe dementia. Eventually had 24/7 care, with my Dad 8 hours of it. He did it his way, but was no doubt he could have got a conservatorship and moved her to an intensive care facility.

  30. Rockphin says:

    Damn spam folder

  31. Mike E. says:

    Rock – yes on your 5:27

  32. stangerx says:

    When you have a bodycam and mike on, sometimes have to think about what you say.
    ————-

    “Guess I’m gonna lose my gun again,” an Idaho officer said minutes after fatally shooting a knife-wielding man whose family had called authorities for help because they said he was experiencing a mental health crisis.

  33. bailbondmike says:

    Here is the bluegrass band from Finland playing Thunderstruck by AC/DC. I still can’t post the original video for some reason but here is a reaction video to the song/video and there are no breaks in it by the reactors.

    I am impressed with by the dude on the banjo. I am not a musician, so I am easily impressed.

  34. bailbondmike says:

    It’s been hot as F here also. Blistering at the beach with little wind. Waves were barely 1 foot. We decided to pack up after 3 hours and take some friends parasailing. That was fun and a good break from the heat. This one was cool as they send you up 500 feet. It’s nice to drive 20 minutes from the house and be on vacation. lol

  35. Wyoming85 says:

    Here ya go!

  36. Wyoming85 says:

    Good Fish!

  37. manitobafinfan says:

    Nice article , and Welcome … what do you prefer to be called ?? Dave ? Pigskin??

    Ya can’t have Piggie , sorry …

    We run a fantasy league here each year as well .. let me know if interested in playing.. no prizes just for shits and giggles …

    • pigskinpapers86 says:

      Thanks – sounds like there is already a Dave? But I usually go by Dave or David. I’m fine with Pigskin for these purposes, if Dave/David is already someone else.

  38. manitobafinfan says:

    Weather wise , I shit you not 64 F as I type, 82,99,86 projected next three days 🤯

  39. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, very in-depth view on rookie WRs. The way I’m looking at all of this is Tyreek Hill has not only been one of the top WRs in the game the last 6 years, but one of the top playmakers in the game. Then we have one of the best rookie WRs from last year in Waddle, now with Hill. Regardless of team, all fans would think that has sick potential.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Until you factor in their QB🤡…JUST KIDDING.. I actually won my money league last year with Tua… I will admit I benched him and won championship game with Trey Lance though 🫣

    • pigskinpapers86 says:

      The OL is going to matter a lot for Miami’s WRs, in addition to the QB. The changes to the offense with McDaniel will also matter. Our OL ranked at or near the bottom in most metrics last year. In order for the ‘Fins to maximize the skills of Waddle and Hill, they have to protect Tua and give him time to drop back, go through his progressions, and throw. Hope to hell that happens.

  40. Phindog says:

    Welcome Dave, glad to see you here !! 🐕

  41. Phindog says:

    Yesterday it was 113 in Phoenix and 102 where I live.

  42. son of a son of a shula says:

    Thanks Daveskin good to see you around.

  43. bailbondmike says:

    Where’s my manners. Welcome aboard Pigskin Dave!!! Good info. Made me want to get back into FF. It’s been a decade or more since I messed with it.

  44. stangerx says:

    “Coach Flo, he’s a piece that we really needed. He’s a detail-oriented coach. he’s not a guy that’s going to let things get brushed to the side. He’s direct.”

    – Minkah Fitzpatrick, who demanded a trade from then HC Flores.

    https://phinphanatic.com/2022/06/17/miami-dolphins-listen-fitzpatrick-praises-flores-record-deal/

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      What a load of horseshit.
      Minkah must be a White House official who thinks everyone is as stupid as they are.
      We’re not 🖕

      • stangerx says:

        But guess Minkah is being a nice guy. Flores is now his coach again, even if not the HC.

  45. stangerx says:

    Never to early to talk draft, This from Mike Masala
    ———————————-
    Draft Wire’s Luke Easterling recently released a mock draft for 2023, and the Dolphins used their selections on LSU edge defender BJ Ojulari and Texas running back Bijan Robinson.

    In 20 games, Ojulari has recorded 70 total tackles (17 for a loss), 11 sacks, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery.

    Robinson, in 19 games, has put up 1,830 yards and 15 touchdowns on 6.5 yards per attempt. He’s also added 41 receptions for 491 yards and six touchdowns in the passing game.

    Here’s what Easterling wrote about the two picks:

    “Jaelan Phillips has a promising future, but the Dolphins need another young, explosive edge rusher to pair him with. Ojulari racked up seven sacks and 11.5 tackles for loss as a sophomore in 2021, and is primed for even more this year.”

    “When you have multiple first-rounders, you can afford a bit of a luxury pick, especially when the value is this good. Robinson looks like a top-10 overall prospect, but even the best running backs tend to slide on draft day. He would be an immediate superstar in Mike McDaniel’s offense.”

    • bailbondmike says:

      I am right with him on BJ Ojulari. I mentioned him a while back to M13 since he was high on his brother Azeez Ojulari from UGA who got drafted by the Giants.

      I have seen a couple 2023 mocks that have us taking Bijan Robinson. He is a stud! Though, this next draft, I may not prefer a RB in the 1st.

      • bailbondmike says:

        Especially with this RB by committee. Why spend a 1st on one. His play this year could change my mind though.

      • stangerx says:

        Much depends on next season, but Mostert and Michel are both on one-year deals. Could at least see us going RB with one of the five picks in the first 3 rounds.

  46. bailbondmike says:

    I can see drafting a RB after the 1st. Guys I have my eye on:
    Zack Evans 5’11 212, 4.42 projected
    Chris Tyree ND 5’9 190 low 4.3’s projected
    Chris Rodriguez Kentucky 5’11 225 mid 4.5’s projected
    among others

  47. bailbondmike says:

    Could at least see us going RB with one of the five picks in the first 3 rounds.
    ————-
    That’s where I am at. We can get a very good one in the 2nd or 3rd. Look where Cook went.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Tyree could be like Cook this year. I am really interested to see him this year and how he has progressed.

    • stangerx says:

      I can’t speak to specific college RBs we might take, but pretty darn sure you are going to have a lot more fun projecting next year’s draft than this one. We’re back to loaded.

  48. Mike E. says:

    Crude Mike says fuck MFFF and Brian Flores! They deserve each other

  49. stangerx says:

    Hope David got out of Cryptos.
    ———————-

    “Bitcoin, the king of cryptocurrencies, has lost more than 70% of its value since November 10, the date of its all-time high of $69,077.44. The most popular cryptocurrency is currently trading at around $20,657.77”

  50. mf13ss says:

    Golden Tate quit football?…

  51. randydolfan1947 says:

    HORRIBLE START tonight for the Lightning tonight in Denver. The Avalanche have jumped out to a quick 2-0 lead. And the Avs have outshot Tampa Bay 13-1 midway through the first period!

  52. mf13ss says:

    bailbondmike says:
    June 18, 2022 at 4:37 pm
    I am right with him on BJ Ojulari. I mentioned him a while back to M13 since he was high on his brother Azeez Ojulari from UGA who got drafted by the Giants…
    ————–
    Truth! And when BBMike speaks, I listen. I’ll be watching BJ Ojulari very closely this college football season.

  53. mf13ss says:

    I’ve been watching boxing highlights of Muhammed Ali for most of the evening and I’ve reached a personal verdict of sorts. Ali in his prime would get KNOCKED THE FUNK OUT by Mike Tyson in his prime.

    In my opinion (yes, it’s only an opinion, not fact), prime Tyson would have knocked prime Ali’s head off his neck within 4 rounds.

    • mf13ss says:

      Cue it up to 6:22 into this video. Watch and listen to how many POWER BODY BLOWS Tyson laid on Ribalta within 1/2 a second: I counted 4. That’s how many quick jabs Ali used to get in at the same amount of time.

  54. bailbondmike says:

    Stanger made me do it.

    16. Bryan Bresee DT Clemson
    27. Isaiah Foskey EDGE Notre Dame
    48. Ricky Stromberg OC Arkansas
    78. Jack Campbell ILB Iowa
    80. Zach Evans RB Ole Miss
    148. Riley Moss CB Iowa
    172. Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas State
    212. Dylan Wonnum OT South Carolina

    • bailbondmike says:

      BJ Ojulari went at #12.

      • mf13ss says:

        The beauty of having two #1 draft picks next year: IF (he won’t) Tua fails, we can trade up for one of the best QBs in next year’s Draft.

        And once (he will) Tua proves himself this year, we can trade up for one of the top-5 players if we so wish.

        In other words, if BJ Ojulari kicks ass this college season, we can still trade up to land him.
        WINNING! 😀

  55. Phindog says:

    Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads out there !!

  56. pheloniusphish says:

    Welcome Pigskin.

    For the headbangers amongst us – Saw the Stadium Tour last night at the Hard Rock. Joan Jettnwas good, Poison was excellent, Def Leopard was freakin’ awesome, and Motley Crue sucked. Vince can’t sing, sound equipment was bad, and the stripper back up singers added nothing.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Nice! I was thinking of getting tix to take the wife when they’re here in September but was a little worried about if the show would be any good. Think I’ll go ahead and get ’em.

  57. herdfan says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all you dads!

  58. Mike E. says:

    M – I’m shocked about your Mike Tyson – Ali statement. I grew up watching that heavyweight class, which was the best heavyweight class of boxers ever. Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes, Shavers, Lyle, Wepner, Quarry. Tyson was an intimidator, he was in fighters heads before the fight began. Ali wouldn’t have been initimidated by Tyson, he was no better than Foreman, Norton, Frazier or any of those other guys. You’re giving Tyson way too much credit, and not giving Ali credit on how he can take a punch.

    • Mike E. says:

      Tyson would have been getting his ass kicked on a regular basis back then, with Frazier, Foreman and the others. He was a bully, who preyed on a weak class. He would have been just another guy. As soon as any fighter stood up to Tyson, he was done. HUGE disrespect for Ali, and way too much credit to Tyson. Maybe you were too young to appreciate what a great heavyweight class that was.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        I agree Mike, Tyson would’ve struggled getting a glove on Ali. Pain if he did but Ali was very quick.

  59. bailbondmike says:

    M13, I agree with you on being able to trade up for the right player. In addition to BJ Ojulari, keep an eye on Isaiah Foskey from ND. He is big and powerful, 6’5 260. Had 11 sacks and 6 FF last year. Has long strong arms to keep tackles from latching on. I think he is going to be a beast this year.

  60. son of a son of a shula says:

    Happy Father’s Men, have a great day

  61. Mike E. says:

    Sonny – Ali beat all of those big, burly bruisers like Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers, Lyle etc. If those guys were around when Tyson was and they were in their prime as they were during Ali’s time, Tyson would be just another one of those guys. None of those guys would shrivel up and cower like the guys Tyson fought did. These were some tough mofo’s, who could hit like hammers in their own right.

  62. CavalierKong says:

    Prime Tyson wouldn’t have the endurance to stay in prolonged fights against the greatest of the big heavyweights. He was a devastating fighter in the early rounds and in his prime I think would score some knockouts against some of the greats that tried to stay toe to toe with him.

    No chance that would happen against Ali. Ali was too smart. Despite fighting some of the best ever, including another bully fighter Foreman in his prime, Ali only got knocked out one time at the end of his career against Holmes.

    Ali in his prime weathers a good fight from Tyson for 4 or 5 rounds, protects himself with that jab, rolls with some big punches, then as the fight wears on starts to land more frequently with bigger blows and knocks Tyson the eff out probably between rounds 8-10. IMO

    • Mike E. says:

      Tyson had a tough time when the other fighter wasn’t in awe of him. If they went toe to toe, it took him out of his game which was to get a quick KO. Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Ali wouldn’t have fallen into that category. They were so competitive. Look at the list of fighters Tyson fought, it’s a joke. A whole host of nobodies, and the very few somebodies he fought beat him.

      • CavalierKong says:

        We’re mostly in agreement, but I think you are undervaluing Tyson some. I’d definitely put him up there as one of the great fighters. He was more than just a puncher. In his prime, before he started relying too much on his power and the quick knockout, he was a very good boxer with power, speed and defense. I just don’t think he would fare well against those great heavyweights you mention who are at the very top of the sport IMO. I’d put him in the 2nd tier below those guys.

  63. pheloniusphish says:

    Kong – Get the tix. Worth it even if Crue sucks.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yep, I’ll probably order ’em tonight.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        DL was really good. Worth the price of admission all by themselves. Opening act (Classless Act) was legit too.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m excited about Def Leppard, kind of meh about Poison, and I feel like Joan Jett is a wonderful bonus. I’d be excited about Motley Crue, but I will heed your warning, lol.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I don’t know Classless Act

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Poison put on a good show. Brett Michaels can still bring it.

  64. pheloniusphish says:

    Wyo – Way to slay’em. Looked like some nice Mangroves.

  65. Krishna says:

    Lol…and for his beliefs, Ali walked away from his prime years….I can only imagine what he could have done with that time

  66. stangerx says:

    RIP Toby – this would crush me if was the guy.
    ——————–

    Wildlife authorities said Joshua Wells was following his usual lunchtime routine earlier this month, where he would take his dog, a 40-pound black Labrador retriever named Toby, out for a walk and a quick game of fetch at a local park. An alligator that was just over 9 feet long leaped out from a nearby waterway, grabbed the dog by his head, and carried it back into the water.

  67. Mike E. says:

    Kong – I’m sure I’m undervaluing Tyson some, no doubt. On the other hand, just look at the list of the fighters he fought.

    https://www.liveabout.com/mike-tyson-career-record-424338

    It’s a big list of nobodies and never was guys. Look at Ali’s fights, he fought some of the best heavyweight fighters and multiple times.

    https://www.espn.com/classic/s/Ali_record.html

    • CavalierKong says:

      Tyson faced all comers, and he destroyed them because no one was in his class. Not his fault it was a talent poor era. It does make it hard to compare fighters though, because even the talented guys he fought were either past their prime or terrified of him (thinking specifically of Spinks)

      I know Ali’s fights by heart. That was the golden age of boxing, and he was the best of the best. Any doubt on that score was settled when he took down Foreman who was an unstoppable force and was as feared in his prime as Tyson was in his.

  68. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 19, 2022 at 10:18 am
    Tyson would have been getting his ass kicked on a regular basis back then, with Frazier, Foreman and the others. He was a bully, who preyed on a weak class. He would have been just another guy. As soon as any fighter stood up to Tyson, he was done. HUGE disrespect for Ali, and way too much credit to Tyson. Maybe you were too young to appreciate what a great heavyweight class that was.
    ——————
    I’m happy so many people chimed in on this topic! These are the doldrums now, and I produced a good topic of convo (and it wasn’t political!). And again, these are just my opinions, not facts.

    You are absolutely correct that Ali’s era produced a great field of heavyweights, and that Tyson’s era didn’t produce nearly as many greats. Ever hear what George Foreman (who I dearly respect as both a boxer and human!) had to say about Tyson, though? Cue to 14:10 on the video below, but I’d encourage ya (and everybody) to listen to the whole interview. Love George Foreman!

    George Foreman: I didn’t want any part of Mike Tyson | Max on Boxing | ESPN

    • Mike E. says:

      Foreman was an old man at that point though M. It’s not like he was going to face Foreman in the 70’s. It’s amazing the longevity he had, but hard to see a fighter that was 40 years old fighting Mike Tyson. If this interview happened in Foreman’s prime, I’d bet he’d feel differently.

      • mf13ss says:

        You do realize that Tyson had already been knocked out by Buster Douglas when Foreman regained the heavyweight title, no?

        Nevertheless, your point is a valid one… one which I can understand.

    • CavalierKong says:

      He didn’t want any part of Tyson at the time because that was after Tyson went crazy with the ear biting. He wasn’t afraid of Tyson the boxer, even at that stage of his career. He goes on to say Tyson was the one scared of him, and Foreman didn’t want to fight a guy that would bite your ear off if he was losing, lol.

  69. mf13ss says:

    Just as I’d LOVE to see Dan Marino in his prime playing football in today’s league, we can only DREAM of such things.

    I’d absolutely LOVE to see prime Tyson vs prime Ali. Here’s to dreaming, y’all! 😀

    • mf13ss says:

      My father and I used to go back and forth regarding Ali vs Tyson… just as we went back and forth on Roger Maris vs Mark McGwire/Jose Canseco. Every generation has its heroes, and it will always be that way.

      BBL… I’ve got to call my father for Father’s Day!

  70. Mike E. says:

    M – I think I’m a little sensitive on this because I used to watch boxing all the time when I was a kid with my dad who was a huge boxing fan. I’ve felt for so many years that the heavyweight class of the 70’s was the best class ever. Then a little later on, the middleweight was unbelievable when it was Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard. Just fantastic fights, juggernauts fighting each other. Then Mike Tyson came along after the heavyweight class dried up. Not that he wasn’t a great fighter, he just didn’t fight anyone worth anything. All those quick fights, 1 and 2 round knockouts because we’re shitting their shorts because they were scared. Know what I mean?

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s sad what has happened to the sport

      • CavalierKong says:

        I haven’t watched a boxing match since that early 2000’s. The last fighter I was really into was Pernell Whitaker, hands down the best defensive fighter I’ve ever seen.

      • mf13ss says:

        Same here, CavKong. The whole sport was RIGGED… just like the Kings-Lakers WCFs of 2002.

  71. Krishna says:

    I’m don’t undervalued Tyson…..just don’t think you should undervalue Ali…

    They both had the same trainer! He was a true coach/trainer….facts!

  72. Krishna says:

    Me too Mike E. Leonard, Hagler were awesome…Duran quit…no mas

  73. Mike E. says:

    Kong – I think MMA and all the different variants of cagefighting took over boxing. I still find those fights fascinating

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yep, they did. It started in the late 90s. Kickboxing and mixed martial arts started blowing up. I just missed maybe actually getting into the sport for real. As a teen in the early 90’s I got into kickboxing, was 7-0 as an amateur. I trained with a guy that trained Dennis Alexio- he was kickboxing champion of the world at one point, but nobody knows who the hell he is because nobody gave the slightest shyte about kickboxing, lol.

      Then after I quit the sport (got into drugs and my trainer dropped me), a few years later, they had the televised mixed martial arts competition where they fought different styles against each other. A few years of that, then Brazilian jujitsu started coming on strong, and that whole thing eventually morphed into the UFC.

      • Mike E. says:

        I remember the first UFC fights. It was the craziest tournament I had ever seen. No weight classes, and easily the most violent fighting since the Roman’s had gladiators fighting in the coliseum. They let the fights go farther than they do now, tons of blood and terrible injuries

      • CavalierKong says:

        It was pretty wild before they really standardized the regs. Not too far off of Bloodsport, lol.

        Tank Abbott was always my favorite in those early years. He wasn’t the most skilled, but dude hit like a ton of bricks and looked out of place in the ring- like the biker you don’t want to mess with at the bar.

  74. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 19, 2022 at 9:05 pm
    M – I think I’m a little sensitive on this because I used to watch boxing all the time when I was a kid with my dad who was a huge boxing fan…
    —————–
    Brother, it’s all good! It was just a conversation piece during these doldrums. Don’t be sensitive, but stay passionate about how ya feel! For all I know, prime Ali may have cleaned the clock of prime Tyson.

    I just wish we could see what would have happened, and it’s not restricted to boxing, either. Imagine (<– that's the key word!) the bests of any generation going head-to-head against one another! It's impossible, but it makes for great convo! 😀

  75. bailbondmike says:

    I mostly kept up with heavyweight boxing back in the day except for Sugar Ray and a few others.
    One who I was a huge fan of and should go down as one of boxings greatest was Featherweight World Champion Salvador Sanchez. Unfortunately, he won’t because of his short career when he lost his life in an auto accident.

  76. steveccnv says:

    stangerx says:
    June 19, 2022 at 5:53 pm
    East of I-95 and (alligators) no problem.

    Must just be in So. FL, because the canal going into Cape Canaveral is loaded with them

  77. Mike E. says:

    I just checked back on the first UFC card. I remembered this huge Samoan guy get kicked in the eye by this tall, thin guy in the first fight. Turns out the Samoan fighter was Teila Tuli, who played Kamekona on Hawaii Five O. Tuli was gushing, that kick split the skin just outside his eye wide open, it was a real bleeder! Royce Gracie won the tournament, he won every fight by submission.

  78. Rockphin says:

    Cav, I studied kick boxing as well from 14-19. My best friend was into Taekwondo and I used to bust his chops that he was into “theater” because it is so competition driven (board breaking, etc)

    We would spar and get into it where we wouldn’t talk to each other for a week (until the bruises faded a little, LOL)

    • Mike E. says:

      I did Taekwondo for a few years. My favorite days was Tuesday mornings when all the guys who ran their dojos from the same company around NJ went to that class. It was a great workout, I learned more in that class than I did the rest of the week.

      • steveccnv says:

        My son got a black belt in Tae Kwondo

        I learned a lot by sitting in the audience. His favorite grappling move was the arm bar, asked him to do it easy on me, wow does that hurt, can see how easy it is to break an arm

      • steveccnv says:

        They did a Saturday workshop with professional boxer Joey Gilbert, parents got to join in

        Joey is running in current primary governor race, is in 2nd place, but think it’s been called already

    • steveccnv says:

      My son’s instructor was the CA state Muay Thai champ back in his hay day, so they did quite a bit of other stuff besides Tae Kwondo

  79. steveccnv says:

    https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/gallery/dolphins-free-agents-unsigned-after-otas-2022/

    More proof of how much better our roster is this year, even though most of those guys didn’t play much, they were hanging around the 53 man roster

  80. steveccnv says:

    the Dolphins will want to avoid using Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle or Jevon Holland as their punt returner because those guys are just too important to the offense and defense.

    Again

  81. steveccnv says:

    Tua backers complain, that his OLs have been historically bad

    Herbert backers have said, his OLs weren’t much better, but he’s still gotten the job done

    His WRs have been superior to ours though

    Sure we’ve had some good WRs too, but with inconsistent play and injuries, it’s been tough to get everyone on the same page

    We need Tua, Waddle, Hill and Wilson healthy all year or we may be stuck in this never ending cycle of inconsistency issues, if they are I expect to see Bama Tua

  82. uwantwat says:

    I’ll do some braggin here. My middle son has represented Oz 3 times in Taekwondo. He won bronze in the US Open. Won gold in the senior Pacific games and broke tiles in Korea. Team came 4th. He is an International Coach. He’s a level 4 or 5th Dan Black Belt. I forget which one he is. He started when he was around 10-12 and he 45 now. Says he’s retired from competition, car accident last year has knocked him around too much. He still teaches.

  83. uwantwat says:

    Just a normal looking bloke until he’s in the fight. Then it’s look out. I watched him demolish a bloke in 30 seconds one fight. Absolutely destroyed him. Fortunately the bloke recovered and was ok. Good golly miss molly I thought he had seriously hurt him.

  84. bailbondmike says:

    I learned to find the nearest tree branch, baseball bat or golf club and start swinging.

  85. Krishna says:

    LOL….it’s all T today

    • stangerx says:

      LOL — it doesn’t happen though. In like 1975 I was trying to get a full Topps baseball set in the days before you could just buy the complete set. Was an Oscar Gamble away for like 3 of the store boxes. Opened a pack and there was Oscar. Ran up to tell Mom and when came back there was Oscar, shredded into pieces by my lab… just like in the meme.

  86. Tim Knight says:

    I hope all the Dads had a nice Father’s Day. I did it so I hope you did as well.

  87. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, the OL has been a problem for us well before Tua was even drafted. Let’s hope we can field a good unit this year.

  88. stangerx says:

    “The quirky running game specialist, a former assistant for Kyle Shanahan, takes over a program with a solid foundation in place. The Dolphins have a talented young roster with hidden gems all over the depth chart. The team added more speed and explosiveness to the lineup this offseason, with three-time All-Pro Tyreek Hill and a group of swift playmakers (Cedrick Wilson, Raheem Mostert, Chase Edmonds) coming on board to join Jaylen Waddle. McDaniel’s creativity should make life miserable for defensive coordinators around the league via a dynamic running game and RPO package setting up big-play opportunities. Although the performance of Tua Tagovailoa is the key to the offense’s success, the auxiliary pieces around the young quarterback give him a great chance to take a big step in Year 3. If the Dolphins’ QB1 makes any strides, it’s hard to envision the team missing out on the playoffs in McDaniel’s debut campaign.”

    — Bucky Brooks on why he ranked the Phins #5 out of the ten teams with new NCs.

    “Brooks has the Denver Broncos (Nathaniel Hackett), New Orleans Saints (Dennis Allen), Las Vegas Raiders (Josh McDaniels) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Todd Bowles) ahead of Miami.”

  89. steveccnv says:

    They say the NFL is a copycat league, but what about the writers?

    A writer once said, Tua taking the next step…now every article about us must have those words

    Well maybe he can play exactly the same, but instead of running for his life he can sit back there like Brady and survey the field, and wait for someone to come open

    Having a winning record behind that horseshit line, should already make Tua an HOFer

    • Tim Knight says:

      I see what you’re saying. Of course a young player like Tua should want to get even better in his 3rd year but it really isn’t about “him” but the offense around him. Our offense was not built well under Flores as we’ve all discussed before.

  90. stangerx says:

    Ian Wharton of Bleacher Report suggested one trade for each team. Here’s ours, where picks the low hanging fruit. A 5th seems a bit high for me though with the salary. Think a 6th more likely.
    ——————————–

    Dolphins get: 2023 fifth-round pick

    Titans get: S Eric Rowe

    The Miami Dolphins defense remains especially intriguing since defensive coordinator Josh Boyer stayed in his role after head coach Brian Flores was fired. Theoretically, much of Miami’s defensive personnel will be in similar roles in 2022, which would bode well for veteran safety Eric Rowe, who remade his career in Miami.

    Rowe’s three years in Miami have led to a total of 243 tackles and three interceptions. He’s also specialized in defending tight ends in a unique third safety role.

    However, his effectiveness dipped in 2021, as he allowed 48 receptions on 61 targets.

    Scheduled to earn $5.075 million in 2022 with just $525,000 in dead money if he’s traded, Rowe must prove he’s still valuable enough to keep over younger options. Undrafted free-agent addition Verone McKinley III is a highly talented addition who could push Rowe for a roster spot because he’s more versatile.

    For the Titans, this is about bolstering depth and having a chess piece to deploy against tight ends. Starting strong safety Amani Hooker has limited length at 5’11”, whereas Rowe can match up better with his 6’1″ frame.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s too early to put undrafted rookie Verone McKinley III as a replacement for Rowe. Maybe after TC and the PS we’ll see some moves like this.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yeah, why make a hole, just to save a few bucks, when we really don’t need the cap

        You need 6 DBs to play in the dime, we’re a little thin at CB unless Iggy igniter

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah and Rowe is not making big money. That said when I think thin it means you really don’t have much talent at CB. We’re three deep and then we have to find the best of the rest. Some teams don’t have one real good corner.

      • steveccnv says:

        I’m thinking Iggy better get his shit together or Trill Williams might be CB 4

      • Tim Knight says:

        When I look at our roster and play around with position numbers I see us keeping 10 DBs – 6 CB and 4 S. I’m interested to see the UDFA DBs because we signed them for the scheme we play. We don’t play a basic defense – lots of blitz/man, Cover 0 and Cover 3. Then we mix in zone for a wrinkle. I feel like a lot of our INTs came in zone because we confused the QB.

    • steveccnv says:

      6th more likely and even more reason the suggestion is stupid

      Read that article this morning, I know it’s just a filler article before camp opens, but what’s the point?

  91. Rockphin says:

    LOL 😂
    A coworker of mine and I were texting back-and-forth having a mock argument.
    He hit me up with a middle finger emoji and I replied with 🥓 Bacon emoji.
    About an hour went by before he called me to ask me what the bacon emoji meant!! 😂😂😂 I was like I’ve got no fucking idea but it shut you up for an hour.

    He said it was like a worm in his head. he couldn’t think of anything else.

  92. stangerx says:

    Takes a brave he/she to give the big FU to a father who is the richest man in the world. Just send a B-day and Father’s Day card every year and you are rich for life.
    ————————————————-

    Xavier Alexander Musk is requesting to change her name to Vivian Jenna Wilson. She is also asking for the Superior Court of California in Los Angeles County to recognize her gender as female.

    Vivian listed the reason for the name change as not wanting to be associated with her biological father. The document states: “Gender Identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s a very bold move but there must be something very emotional there.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      That’s just stupid.
      Like you said Stanger all it takes is a couple of cards a year. Now [she’s] asked to be treated like the SpaceX workers from last week.

  93. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    June 20, 2022 at 3:48 pm
    Lots to choose from on that one.
    https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/NLC
    ————
    Stanger, it went over your head, man! NLC was a reference to our old pal FFR (Fin Fan Rob). The NLC (Naked Lesbian Cheerleaders) was his claim to fame on Omar’s blog! 🙂

    I hope he’s doing well… long time no hear from him.

  94. CavalierKong says:

    Lightning giving it back to the Avs tonight.

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